The prequels are bizarre in how overt and obvious the Jedi are in a galactic war despite Han in the 1977 film dismissing them as "ancient nonsense and hokey religions." And in making the Jedi so prominent, Lucas makes the Jedi look incompetent with REVENGE OF THE SITH and THE LAST JEDI calls him out on this.

Luke Skywalker wrote:

Now that they're extinct, the Jedi are romanticized, deified. But if you strip away the myth and look at their deeds, the legacy of the Jedi is failure. Hypocrisy, hubris. At the height of their powers, they allowed Darth Sidious to rise, create the Empire, and wipe them out.

STAR WARS declares the Jedi to be warrior monks working in obscurity and mystery, but the prequels present them as an ineffective galactic city hall.

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The people I know aren't really 'names.' They've stood at a cash register in a Whole Foods commercial, sang the jingle for pizza chain commercials, etc.. To have leading roles, they write and perform in their own stageplays.

I imagine there'd have been a contractual hold on the CANARIES cast for some period of time following the ARROW finale. I suspect that any contractual hold on Kat McNamara has not expired yet as Pedowitz said discussions are ongoing regarding CANARIES.

If it expires (and it will in the coming months), I suppose the network and studio could ask for an extension given the extraordinary circumstances, but Grant Gustin said that he'd been engaged in negotiations for Season 7 only for those negotiations to stop dead when the pandemic hit -- which means that if that hold expires, there probably won't be any further motion until after the pandemic, assuming that there is any after. I think McNamara would be happy to wait for CANARIES up to a point since she's a working class TV actress with an established career in playing action girls and headlining a CW superhero show would be a very sensible next step in her career. She wants to do CANARIES.

I don't think you're ever going to get out of the 23rd century. It looks like we have two 23rd century shows now, SECTION 31 and NEW WORLDS, but it's understandable. It's where the mythology took hold. It's the basement office of THE X-FILES. The warehouse of WAREHOUSE 13. The Pawnee city hall of PARKS AND RECREATION. The basement lab of SLIDERS.

However -- you didn't need to watch DISCOVERY to understand PICARD. So I guess you won't need to watch the TOS era shows to understand the post TNG shows, especially with DISCOVERY set in the distant future.

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Well, hopefully, she’ll wait. Every time I see Kat descend from a jump line and land with her bow and arrow at the ready, I feel an uncontrollable, incontestable urge to go workout and only eat fat and protein and fibre. My health would benefit greatly if GREEN ARROW AND THE CANARIES went to series.

I don’t get it either. And I’ve only ever seen the Clone Wars movie and the first two prequels.

In the original trilogy, the Jedi are regarded as myth that may or may not have ever been real. But the prequels declare that they were a branch of government, installed in political institutions and present in the public eye. In the original trilogy, the Jedi would have at their height been an urban legend at most.

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I am currently deep in watching WAREHOUSE 13, but if DEVS isn’t as dark and scary as the real world, I’d watch it. Is it?

Right now, I am also watching PARKS AND RECREATION, a fantasy show where American government is run by engaged, capable or at least not malevolent people. And CASTLE and WAREHOUSE 13, where people who work in American establishment institutions are capable of doing their jobs. You know. Fantasy.

https://bleedingcool.com/tv/star-trek-n … ew-series/

Jerry O’Connell’s career is in dire straits with SLIDERS not getting a reboot any time soon. However, his wife has a new job on a new STAR TREK show!

(I was kidding about Jerry’s career. He is doing fine.)

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I haven't really been keeping up with SUPERNATURAL and am not familiar with this show. But I've now found another account indicating that SUPERNATURAL was abruptly cancelled in the middle of Season 6 after recurring actor Mischa Collins was murdered in a Vancouver alleyway and then a guest-actor went on an inexplicable shooting spree during which he murdered series creator and former showrunner Erik Kripke and lead actors Jensen Ackles and Jared Padelecki were too traumatized to resume filming, meaning SUPERNATURAL abruptly ended with episode 14 of Season 6 and the CW posthumously aired Kripke's OCTOCOBRA in his honour.

There was a high school musical sequel that the CW indifferently permitted to be performed. This production wrapped up the series satisfactorily, but it was, as I recall, written by a fan who dashed it off in a fugue writing state and it involved musical solos and aliens and there were some scenes involving rock star vampires, fat craving zombies, breeder parasites, killer robots, dinosaurs, dragons and remote controlled cars that shoot laser cannons or I may have confused that with some other fan fiction sequel.

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I was under the impression that the CW network had shuttered SUPERNATURAL  after the entire cast and crew were murdered in a strange event involving the Loom of Fate, an assassin, a shapeshifter and a drunk named John as revealed in the documentary series DC's LEGENDS OF TOMORROW.

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CW head Mark Pedowitz has said that discussions regarding GREEN ARROW AND THE CANARIES are still ongoing, so he hasn't pulled the plug yet.
https://www.eonline.com/ca/news/1151970 … cw-for-now

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I'd politely disagree. I think things have been very shaken, severely shaken -- by removing unrepentant sexual harasser Andrew Kreisberg from the show. I'd like things to be unshaken and go back to an emphasis on (a) perilous situations (b) high speed scenarios and (c) the Flash saving the day with superspeed in situations where superspeed is either a liability or the only solution -- but with the continued uninvolvement of unrepentant sexual harasser Andrew Kreisberg.

The Godspeed vs. Flash chase scene was the first burst of energy I'd seen from THE FLASH since CRISIS, but superspeed action has become occasional when it should be weekly.

The terrible, shameful, horrific thing about unrepentant sexual harasser Andrew Kreisberg that I am forced to admit -- he had talent. Unrepentant sexual harasser Andrew Kreisberg had a penchant for putting his employees in impossible interpersonal and physical situations because it amused him. Unrepentant sexual harasser Andrew Kreisberg would grope, grab and corner his employees, press them against walls and furniture during meetings, physically isolate them, emotionally surround them to make it seem like they couldn't report him and couldn't leave and that they were powerless to overcome him or escape him -- and unrepentant sexual harasser Andrew Kreisberg would put Barry Allen into similar situations, ensnaring and overpowering an otherwise invincible speedster on a sci-fi fantasy level.

The cruel and predatory abusiveness of unrepentant sexual harasser Andrew Kreisberg was highly appropriate within the strictly fictional context of THE FLASH and ONLY within the strictly fictional context of THE FLASH.

Unrepentant sexual harasser Andrew Kreisberg has been fired. The staffers who survived him and succeed him aren't sadistic, vicious and prone to driving people into states of helplessness and despair which is excellent for their working environment. However, it also means that they aren't prone to putting Barry Allen in sadistic, vicious situations of helplessness and despair that can only be addressed with imaginative applications of superspeed and that's why THE FLASH has completely lost its edge and why its villains have lost their killer instincts.

I would rather have a mediocre season of THE FLASH from decent professionals doing a professional job than to see unrepentant sexual harasser Andrew Kreisberg still working. He is abhorrent and beneath contempt.

But we shouldn't be blind to talent or the void left by its absence resulting from the entirely appropriate, well-deserved firing of the monstrosity who is unrepentant sexual harasser Andrew Kreisberg.

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*gapes at Temporal Flux*

ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR was... unpopular... ? Ultimate Reed becoming a villain was... good?

TF is making me wonder if I am completely out of step with superhero comics now which, I admit, I don't read too often. I tend to let things pile up for a few years on Comixology and then catch up. I read everything between AVENGERS VS. X-MEN and HOUSE OF X last month.

ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR was a neat reimagining of the team with Reed as a gifted teenager drafted into a US Army think tank in New York City with Sue Storm as a scientist, Johnny tagging along just for the hell of it and Ben as the only friend Reed had from childhood. Mark Millar and Brian Michael Bendis did (I thought) a great job of updating the 60s team for the 2000s by making everyone (a) teenagers and (b) working for a US Army weapons farm and Reed and Sue accidentally turning themselves and two innocent bystanders into superweapons. Millar's action-oriented set pieces and Bendis' hilarious dialogue were (I thought) a winning combination for the first arc.

Then came Warren Ellis, who brought his brilliant hard science approach into exploring how Mr. Fantastic stretches. How the Invisible Woman manipulates the molecular structure of her body. How the Human Torch can ignite. And how Ben is basically immortal now. Ellis had several great arcs and after a fill-in with the equally clever Mike Carey, we had Mark Millar bring his crazy action lunacy back to the team as he advanced the characters from operating within a secret branch of the army to existing as independent superheroes (and brought in the Marvel Zombies). Then Mike Carey came back again with some exciting extradimensional adventures that brought the crazy Kirby adventure with the youth of the Ultimate FF.

It was very much the energy of SLIDERS with the sci-fi creativity of Douglas Adams and the humour of David Mamet -- but now that I think about it, maybe it wasn't that popular because Marvel ended up blowing it all apart with that weird ULTIMATUM crossover that massacred the X-Men and the Ultimate Avengers and blew up the Fantastic Four's headquarters and had the team break up.

I guess Marvel wouldn't have blown the team apart if the book had been selling well.

Then came that very odd ULTIMATE ENEMY series where Reed killed his parents and sister and attacked the Earth with his new alien allies and became a crazy supervillain, a bizarre turn of character that was completely at odds with the gentle, polite, merciful scientist who tried to help Doom, clearly adored his baby sister, and spared the Marvel Zombies when he could have gassed them to death and called it a day.

It was the equivalent of Quinn Mallory becoming an emotionless sociopath in Season 4 of SLIDERS and I waited for the comics to explain what the hell was going on. Instead, Ultimate Reed became even more of a psychopathic, mass murdering sociopath who renamed himself The Maker.

It was bizarre and everything there remains as incomprehensible as Quinn being unconcerned with Wade in "Mother and Child" and as baffling as Quinn being indifferent to rescuing his mother and adopted home Earth in "Revelations" and as traumatic as the Professor's horrific murder in "The Exodus" and typing all this is actually making me upset and distraught and pained and agonized and confused and Temporal Flux is right and ULTIMATE FF was a terrible experience I can't go through this again good bye.

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Trank feels he made a mistake in his handling of F4:
https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/josh-t … ent-wrong/

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So, what's wrong with THE FLASH this year? ARROW had a strong final season. LEGENDS has been very enjoyable. SUPERGIRL is continuing its strengths from last year. But THE FLASH -- something still isn't quite right with the show. Season 6 is alright. It has moments of excellence. But I don't find it excellent overall.

Despite the ticking clock of CRISIS, despite the well-written storyline of Barry losing the Speed Force, THE FLASH doesn't seem as fun, inventive or quick-witted as Seasons 1 - 2 and I suspect that the problem cannot be solved; the problem is that the Flash is a *very* difficult character to write and the only creator with a strong vision for THE FLASH as a TV show was rightly fired out of television.

The hardest part of writing any superhero is writing for their gimmick. XENA, CAPTAIN AMERICA and BATMAN must create situation after situation that can only be resolved with the characters throwing a discus or a batarang. SPIDER-MAN must create decades' worth of problems that can only be addressed with webbing. And THE FLASH must devise 22 problems a season that can only be resolved with superspeed. Unrepentant sexual harasser Andrew Kreisberg had an enormous talent for crafting threats and villains where Barry's superspeed seemed useless or a liability from the Reverse Flash to Zoom to Multiplex to the Thinker. He wrote scene upon scene where the Flash doesn't make any headway into this year's mystery or mythology, but he saves civilians in an exciting special effects sequence. He yanks them out of car wrecks, rips them from collapsing buildings, evacuates them from floods.

That's been missing for awhile. It's been missing ever since unrepentant sexual harasser Andrew Kreisberg was thrown out of film and TV during the last quarter of Season 4. You can spot exactly when unrepentant sexual harasser Andrew Kreisberg carried his boxes out of the office: it's when the remaining writers turned the Thinker into Sylar from HEROES, as Slider_Quinn21 put it. Kreisberg's staff didn't have the skill to keep the Thinker sufficiently threatening through his thinking, unfortunately -- which is something even a resurrected Douglas Adams would have needed some time to work out. And Kreisberg's surviving staff presented Season 5 as the year where the Flash spent over 20 episodes unable to defeat a villain with a knife.

With Season 6, the writers have attempted to address their mistakes: they split the season in half so that the Flash wouldn't seem incompetent in needing all year to stop one normal speed villain. They've spread their attention around Barry's team so that the characters without superspeed have problems too. They've brought the theme of speed back into the stories by having Barry race against the countdown to CRISIS, then race against his depleting Speed Force. They are responsible, reliable professionals who have not sexually harassed anyone and are therefore vastly preferable to unrepentant sexual harasser Andrew Kreisberg.

But, unfortunately, THE FLASH's sixth season reflects a painful lack of skill in crafting high speed situations that can only be resolved with the Flash applying his superspeed in a clever and innovative way. There have been no newly developed speed flourishes. No impossible puzzles of human life to be resolved with imaginative application of Barry's powers.

THE FLASH is a very difficult concept that requires a certain mindset to plausibly threaten the Flash and make his victories seem hard earned and the Season 5 - 6 writers simply don't have that skillset. It's not a knock against them -- I can't draw or write SLIDERS-style social satire and the FLASH's current writers can't write superspeed effectively. The current writing team on THE FLASH were never hired to lead their show; they were hired to follow the lead of unrepentant sexual harasser Andrew Kreisberg who is no longer leading anything or anyone and never will again. They have been promoted in his permanent absence. It is an impossible situation for those who remain.

Season 6. I mean, it's fine. It's not as horrific as Season 3 of SLIDERS or as tedious as Season 5 of SLIDERS or as incompetently incoherent as Season 4 of SLIDERS. It is okay.

I am only at the tail-end of Season 2, but I don't think CASTLE is really about an author trying to grind out storylines for his mystery novels. I think it is about Nathan Fillion and Stana Katic arguing. What they argue about is irrelevant. They could be arguing every week about how to run a restaurant or how to teach a high school class or how to fly a plane or how to manage a cruise ship or how to record a podcast about every episode of SLIDERS ever made.

Are there any shows that, by your standards, carried the ball throughout their run? I would feel obligated to watch one. (PleasenotanythinginvolvingNazisoranythingdepressingpleasepleasepleaseohthere'snohope.)

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TemporalFlux wrote:

Flash should have been the hardest hit by the Crisis changes because it was so dependent on parallel worlds.  But the one thing that seems to be important here is that the post-Crisis Team Flash never had a Harrison Wells.  Ever.  Until now. All of the Harrison Wells in the series were parallel universe doppelgängers that now no longer ever existed.  Cisco and Caitlyn would have been left to figure everything out alone.  This also brings up an interesting question about the Savitar saga (if it still happened) - who died in Iris’s place?  It wasn’t a Harrison Wells. Another big change post Crisis - Barry never had Jay Garrick.  All of the season two Zoom story is out the window

Wait, WHAT?

When was it established that Harrison Wells and his doubles were retroactively erased from the past?

When was it established that Jay Garrick was erased from the past?

I don't remember this at all! Maybe I was looking at my phone when this established. What?!!?

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Regarding Batwoman's angst on having taken a life and Curtis informing her that even Batman couldn't stick to that rule 100 per cent of the time and that the Joker is dead -- I am okay with this. In superhero comics, superheroes exist in a highly impressionistic world where human beings seem far more resilient than their real world counterparts. But in live action -- as Informant once pointed out, there is a weight and physical impact to superhero battles that makes it unbelievable that Batman never killed any henchmen when crashing through buildings and throwing people off balconies.

That said, I would prefer that even live action superheroes never set out to intentionally murder anybody and when Kate killed her captive, immobilized prisoner, her prisoner was a man who had warped and broken her sister and was actively tormenting Kate into attacking him with lethal force for the second time. He wanted her to kill him and Kate understandably lost control. I wouldn't give Kate a medal, but I would excuse her for being victimized by a master manipulator who deliberately pushes people into murderous desperation.

Barry killed the Atom Smasher in Season 2, exposing him to lethal doses of radiation and stopping an otherwise unstoppable foe. There was no onscreen discussion about the morality of this.

Superheroes generally don't kill in comics, but that has less to do with morality and more to do with not wanting to kill off villains that writers might like to use next month. BATWOMAN has decided to step into shifting Batman's moral code to being less a requirement and more a preference that sometimes has to be waived. I wouldn't want the comic book characters to do that, but I understand and respect it in live action.

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Ten years! We all knew that Sabrina spent entirely too much time stuck in that jukebox-gumball machine in "Requiem," but now we see what devastation it wrought upon her education!

Recently, someone said regarding the show CASTLE:

Transmodiar wrote:

... you don't have to watch past season one to know the show doesn't give two squirts about timing, pacing, or focus. It hopes you like Nathan Fillion or Stana Katic; everything else is incidental. If you keep watching, just skip over every scene with Castle's daughter or mother. With the exception of the contractually obligated A-story episode they get each season, they add literally nothing to the series. Nada. Bupkus. ZERO. And if you make it past the episode where the sidekicks get caught in a burning building, I'll buy you a soda. smile

A treasured writing mentor (no, not this one, it was Informant) pointed out to me that we're writers. We aren't gods. We might be creating a fictional reality and populating it with living beings, but we don't know everything, we don't understand everything, and we'll often have to accept that our creation is flawed because we don't have the information or time to define every corner of our world. We'll have to prioritize making specific elements of our work entertaining and plausible at the expense of some other area where we are less skilled.

Informant argued that these areas of low priority are not even necessarily flaws as much as areas outside the author's chosen focus.

Another beloved writing mentor (this one) once asked me a very incisive question. He asked me, "What are you trying to accomplish?" Was I trying to write an exploration of alternate paths that events might have taken? Was it a series of science fiction set pieces? Was it a deep dive into the minutia of a television show that most people had willfully blocked out of memory? Was it a drama surrounding a college reunion? And what was I doing to meet any of those goals? "What are you trying to accomplish?"

With that in mind, I'd say that if a TV show decides that its priority is giving its leads episode-long arguments and that's what it chooses to excel it at the expense of other priorities, then those non-priorities are not flaws. STAR TREK was not a plausible depiction of naval life; FRINGE wasn't a likely rendition of FBI task forces; LOST was not a realistic picture of survivalism and THE FLASH is not a serious presentation of forensic investigation.

They were trying to accomplish something else and we might be better off asking ourselves what the creators were trying to do, if they achieved it and then ask whether or not it was worth the attempt or if the goal was flawed. If CASTLE sets out to have Nathan Fillion and Stana Katic arguing and then it manages to fill seven years' worth of episodes with Nathan Fillion and Stana Katic arguing, then its failure to present other content is no failure at all.

On the other hand, if the eighth season features Nathan Fillion and Stana Katic only sharing the screen in two scenes per episode because the actors refuse to work together for more than two days a week, then it has absolutely failed.

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The second half of the Pilot script is not significantly different from the aired version. Torme and Weiss' darkly comic tone aired as they scripted it from THE PEOPLE'S COURT parody to Russian street meat vendors and Ross J. Kelley being an ambulance chaser at home and an interrogator on the Russian Earth. There are some additional scenes of Wing being rewarded for turning in his parents as Revolutionary collaborators that I assume were filmed. There are no scenes of Stephanie, Quinn's crush on Earth Prime -- which is probably why her scenes proved too irrelevant to air even though they were filmed.

There is a moment for Quinn that wasn't aired but is a prelude to his daring improvisations in "Prince of Wails" and "Luck of the Draw"; when the Revolution soldiers recognize Wade as their leader, Quinn is the first to play along with it to create trust, showing that Torme had a clear view of Quinn's intelligence under fire from the start.

The biggest change, really -- in the original script, Commander Wade Welles is successfully rescued from the Russian prison and her survival gives the Revolution a "shot in the arm" where they were previously losing. In the aired version, Commander Welles dies -- but the predicted collapse of the Revolution doesn't happen; the sliders' mere presence assured the resistance that a better world was possible and they could keep fighting.

The outcome for the rebellion isn't particularly different, yet the emotional beats are shifted and in many ways, it's an improvement.

The script has the Revolution declare that if the battle is lost, the war is lost; they win the battle and emerge inspired to continue the war. The aired version has the Revolution declare that if the battle is lost, the war is lost; they lose the battle but are inspired to continue the war. The aired version argues that defeat isn't the end after all; the Revolution is a belief in the American ideal, a concept that exists with or without Commander Welles.

There is a certain emptiness in the script coming from Quinn mistaking Commander Welles for Wade and seeing her die only to be informed later that Commander Welles is alive. It undermines Quinn's grief and guilt which has already been circumvented by Wade reappearing.

Commander Welles' death maintains the weight of Quinn's reaction to Wade's apparent death and leads to a later revision: in the original script, the sliders toast "Kansas" over dinner, toasting having returned from Oz/a parallel world. In the aired version, they raise glasses to "the Revolution." The emphasis is not on themselves and their seeming good fortune, but instead on the friends who saved them and were inspired by them.

In the end, the tone of SLIDERS is largely how Torme and Weiss imagined it. The main difference in SLIDERS' original conception is that Quinn and Arturo are more dysfunctional and less assertive. The characters of Quinn and the Professor shifted due to the casting. Arturo on paper is blustering but wilts under any kind of pressure whatsoever, completely contrary to John Rhys-Davies' strong screen presence. Quinn in the scripts is decidedly unheroic in image, hesitant and deferential, devoid of Jerry O'Connell's charisma and confidence. But the words and actions are about the same as what we saw on TV.

The show would feel different with Tobey Maguire and Raul Julia as Quinn and Arturo. Their scripted characters are deliberately written to convey inadequacy. The pilot script indicates that Quinn and Arturo are deeply unglamourous figures who are not up to the task of rallying a revolution or fighting a despotic regime. They shrink and cower in the face of adversity. The fact that Quinn and Arturo muddle through is a combination of desperate persistence and flat out luck.

But onscreen, Jerry O'Connell is a tall, sharp, attractive figure whose flannel and long hair make him look striking, unconsciously stylish and crisply intelligent. Jerry's clothes, while casual, are fitted to his athletic build. And with the scenes of Quinn striking out with a prospective date being cut, Jerry's charismatic performance makes Quinn's isolation, seeming blindness to Wade's crush and lack of friends seem less like social awkwardness and more like avoidance. Then there's John Rhys-Davies, a broad, commanding performer in a well-tailored suit who exudes authority and ability. When Jerry and John perform these pages, they make it very clear that Quinn and Arturo are heroic figures who will win. They bring a Hollywood polish to characters written with none at all.

But outside of the acting, the tone of SLIDERS on a typewriter is the tone that aired in 1995 where nightmarish horror is immediately punctured by eccentric comedy.

I really don't see anything sloppy about the writing. Across TOS, TNG, DS9 and NEMESIS, the Romulans had shown a propensity for treacherous backstabbing at every opportunity. It's perfectly reasonable that after the Romulans attacked the Klingon Empire and razed Cardassia in the Dominion War and tried to blow up Earth in NEMESIS, few people outside the Romulan Star Empire were inclined to offer a helping hand that had traditionally been cut off every time anyone tried to do anything for the Romulans. The Zhat Vash were deranged extremists more interested in their pet values of hating all artificial intelligence than aid for their suffering people and reprogrammed the Mars robots to attack.

Picard's outrage at Starfleet abandoning the Romulans is because Starfleet pledged to help anyone in trouble no matter who they were or what they'd done before. And his fury is reasonable, but I think PICARD also establishes that the Federation can't be blamed for deciding that they would prefer not to assist a brutal dictatorship that always took any effort of charity as an opportunity to attack. Picard welcomed Romulan refugees to live in his home; the Federation wouldn't match his effort.

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Dinner with one of my favourite actresses over Zoom! Wait, hang on. Recently had to fire someone. Everyone got promoted. Dinner with my favourite actress over Zoom!

ELLIE: "Dinner over Zoom! Is this new for you?"

IB: "It is indeed, but I take comfort in knowing that we'll have exactly the amount of physical contact that we do when we eat together in person."

ELLIE: "Haha!"

IB: "Oh, I have to ask you -- have you recently joined a -- " (makes air quotes) " -- pyramid scheme, self-actualization program, potentiality unlocking process or anything that might be construed as a cult?"

ELLIE: (air quotes) "No. I've just been working on my self-tapes. Did one today!"

IB: "Oh thank God. Otherwise, I'd think that dress was for my benefit."

ELLIE: "Aren't you wearing a suit right now?"

IB: "It's a sport jacket!"

ELLIE: "I am so sorry for not knowing the difference as I can tell that really matters to you."

IB: "It makes me feel like we're in a restaurant instead of eating delivered meals."

ELLIE: "Yeah, always use the environment to assume your role."

IB: "Oh, Jezebel tells me that all my favourite actresses will be deprived of their usual botox injections and fillers and that the lines in their faces will start to deepen and their faces will be more sunken. Are you experiencing any of that and do you need sympathy?"

ELLiE: "No. And no. I figure you'll come up with some magic skin care routine for me."

IB: "Thank you, I will take you off the list, Ellie."

ELLIE: "Who's Ellie?"

IB: "Oh, I just have to call you that once for the transcript so Slider_Quinn21 won't know who you are and have to guess."

ELLIE: "Is this about that TV show you like? The one about time travellers?"

IB: "You KNOW it's not about time travellers! I think you say that just to annoy me a little."

ELLIE: "Yeah!" (snickering) "But your niece and I notice it annoys you a lot."

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https://medium.com/@r0ckthastarz/alliso … 45b8281f45

A highly anecdotal account of meeting Allison Mack. *shudders*

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Also, Grizzlor’s photo with Allison Mack is now her Wikipedia headshot.

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Reading DECLASSIFIED has made me wonder -- if TF captures the original spirit of SLIDERS as it first aired on television, what was the original spirit of SLIDERS as it was intended on Tracy Torme's word processor? What was his vision with Robert K. Weiss before that vision was altered by the necessities of casting actual humans to play their imagined characters? Before that vision was adapted to what was physically and financially filmable? https://earthprime.com/wp-content/uploa … -01-14.pdf

Reading the first half of the Pilot script, I find that there are some slight differences, some significant and some subtle. The first is the casting. Quinn is clearly not Jerry O'Connell in this script; he's described as "handsome in an unassuming, boyish way." He isn't meant to look like an athlete; I think he's more Tobey Maguire than Jerry O'Connell. Quinn is crushing on a girl named Stephanie who shoots him down when he asks her out on a date and Stephanie's friends call Quinn "a dweeb." The original script also makes a much sharper distinction between Quinn and Smarter Quinn. On paper, Smarter Quinn is a volatile, flamboyant, abrasive, arrogant prankster. Smarter Quinn is buff and athletic where Quinn is reedy and shy.

In the aired version, Jerry O'Connell's Quinn is confident, capable and amiable but cautiously avoidant and secretive, ignoring Wade's crush, pleasant but distant from his classmates -- the result of Jerry playing Quinn's scripted dialogue with an easy charisma that isn't on the page. And the only real difference between Quinn and Smarter Quinn is that Smarter Quinn dresses a bit better, with Smarter Quinn's pranks, insults and superior attitude largely trimmed from the story.

Arturo is described as looking like Raul Julia (Gomez from THE ADDAMS FAMILY among many, many other roles), and the characterization is more cowardly than John Rhys-Davies would tolerate, which manifests later in the story.

Wade and Rembrandt, however, are completely Sabrina Lloyd and Cleavant Derricks and the casting there was perfect for the script.

There are also a variety of expansions: Smarter Quinn apparently pulled numerous pranks on multiple classmates and teachers on campus while impersonating our Quinn. Quinn sits through an entire class with Arturo after Smarter Quinn humiliated the Professor. Smarter Quinn insulted the Professor's sexual prowess instead of his theories.

Hurley has a festishistic obsession with the Computer Boy mascot of the Top Flight computer store. And Wade, Hurley's twentysomething employee, has been to Hurley's house for reasons that were too terrifying for Torme to document except it involved looking at Hurley's family photo albums which included the Computer Boy mascot. Wade is also the one to convince Arturo to visit Quinn's house when Quinn wishes to explain Smarter Quinn's pranking.

The radio shock jock's material is also pleasingly modern by today's standards; on our Earth, he speaks derisively of feminists while on the first parallel Earth, he snarls that women are right to be angry because women have always had the game rigged against them.

The most significant change aside from the casting: the vortex is described not as a glowing, beautiful opening in reality that casts light and energy into the space around it -- but as a reflective-rimmed hole in the air and at the heart is a dark, blackened, terrifying void of nothing. An anomaly of unknowable and threatening emptiness that infringes upon the reality of our world. The interior tunnel is not a path of purple and green energies but an empty plane of blackness. Wade never looks at the vortex with Sabrina Lloyd's wonder and delight; Arturo is intimidated by it.

There's an interesting scene where Wade says she wants to jump into the vortex, Raul Julia's Arturo refuses, and Wade asks the Professor how it would look in history if she and Quinn stepped into the tunnel to another dimension but the Professor were too scared to join them. The Professor's ego won't allow him to remain in the basement and Wade can see that, but the vortex is so disturbing that one can understand the Professor's hesitance.

In the original script, the vortex is an ominous black shape of terror, a doorway to nightmares and doom and Rembrandt's palpable fright when he sees it is the default and correct response.

I wonder how different the second half will be.

COUNTDOWN 2009 did indeed feature a restored Data as Captain of the Enterprise. The TNG novels, which don't tie into COUNTDOWN, also featured a restored Data.

The android insurrection on Mars was revealed to be caused by the Zhat Vash, a faction of Romulans who loathe artificial life and expect that its rise would bring about an AI apocalypse.

I don't know how intentional this was, but given how the Federation is suddenly using money in PICARD when it was a post-scarcity, post-currency society in TNG, DS9 and VOY, I think we have to take it to mean that the destruction of Mars impacted the Federation's ability to produce and maintain replicators. But PICARD takes the view that the Federation didn't do its best under difficult circumstances; that it just gave up and cut the Romulans loose on the grounds that the Romulans had (a) sided with the Dominion 24 years ago and (b) tried to blow up Earth 20 years ago. That the Federation didn't even do what it could; it just decided to do nothing.

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I remember in December 2016, Slider_Quinn21 and I were reviewing the script pages for the final SLIDERS REBORN screenplay. One exchange jumped out to Slider_Quinn21 when Rembrandt is facing down the robots from "State of the ART":

Regenesis wrote:

REMBRANDT: "Professor, you gotta know something! You took apart one of these robots and put it back together again -- "

ARTURO: "That wasn't ME!"

REMBRANDT: "Oh -- sorry!"

And Slider_Quinn21 marked this passage, saying:

Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

This is genius!

And today, I read:

Temporal Flux wrote:

Interesting, visual, relevant to current events alternate reality that would be meaningful, filmable and amusing even without a long-held, possibly unhealthy affection for fictional characters who haven't been onscreen together since 1996 or at all since 2000.

I'm very proud of what Slider_Quinn21 and I produced, but Temporal Flux's marvelous, off-the-cuff ideas make me realize that we are but pupils, shadows cast by the kindly light of the Master.

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Years ago, I was working with a new guy in my office. This is unusual for me because my friends and co-workers are generally women and I have a strong aversion to men unless they're Temporal Flux, Slider_Quinn21, Transmodiar, Grizzlor, or dating / married to one of my friends. Andy, a junior high aged summer intern, asked me if I'd ever seen WAREHOUSE 13 on Syfy. He said it started out very badly but he loved it from episode 4 onward. He insisted that episode 4 was the greatest thing he'd ever seen.

I bought the Season 1 DVD set at this used electronics store and the first three episodes were a clumsy, awkward X-FILES clone filmed in Toronto for 1/3 of the budget with a lot of beige hallways, very much like Season 5 of SLIDERS. The cast seemed talented but unsure of how to characterize some thin scripting; Secret Service agents Pete Latimer and Myka Bering are put to work tracking down supernatural artifacts to contain in Warehouse 13, but they exhibit a strange lack of curiosity as to who created Warehouse 13, who runs it, how these artifacts function, etc..

The pilot episode of WAREHOUSE 13 seems like something that nobody wanted to make. The original idea was from Ronald D. Moore. The first draft of the script was by Rockne O'Bannon (FARSCAPE) and Jane Espenson (BUFFY, ONCE UPON A TIME, GILMORE GIRLS, JESSICA JONES) but Syfy bought it and retooled it with D. Brent Mote (DR. QUINN), then again with Espenson, then finally with David Simkin (LOIS AND CLARK, DARK ANGEL, ANGEL, CHARMED).

As a result, the pilot has the story elements of a paranoid, conspiracy-minded series of secret agents in a shadow government organization, the concepts of a madcap sci-fi/fantasy comedy, and the tone of simple, Nickelodeon children's show where the heroes look to find and contain dangerous supernatural objects and the questions of who they work for and why is not something kids would ask. It is inherently contradictory and confused, clearly the product of multiple writers working at cross purposes. It was weak and dull, but Andy struck me as a bright young man of interesting tastes, so I struggled to episode 4.

Listening to a podcast with WAREHOUSE 13 showrunner Jack Kenny, it seems he was also struggling. He was not involved with WAREHOUSE 13 until after the pilot had been filmed and the series had been ordered. Assuming control of the series, Kenny's version of WAREHOUSE 13 took until episode 4 to materialize when the show is livened up by a new character: a troubled, spunky 19-year-old computer hacker named Claudia who breaks into Warehouse 13 to demand answers to all the questions above.

Claudia is snarky, sardonic and quippy in the way young women on TV are when written by good men in their late 40s who write teenaged girls. ("Dude, just shut it down." "This is so not groovy!") Claudia is gifted with all the wit and charm of much older women, serving as an aspirational but relatable figure to young girls. No teenaged girl is like Claudia, but her daring braininess makes her a healthy role model.

Claudia sparked something in the rest of the cast that finally made the Warehouse 13 team cohere as an eccentric family unit with Claudia as the child among them. Claudia is daring and outspoken in a way that a junior high school student like young Andy likely found admirable. Claudia is capable and strong but deeply troubled in a way that a junior high student like Andy might view as making her accessible. Claudia is a driven go-getter and I know Andy's mother, a co-worker in my office, to also be a driven go-getter.

I have no doubt that Andy found Claudia sexy with her punk appareil and purple tinted hair and Allison Scagliotti’s slender, gym toned figure, but he obviously liked her because she was smart.

Claudia on WAREHOUSE 13 was a somewhat age appropriate crush for a junior high student and Allison Scagliotti was/is a pretty girl, but she was presented as a powerful girl, a skillful investigator, and an eager pupil in the art of paranormal investigations and, in my view, an extremely healthy sexual and romantic fantasy for Andy. Claudia was a portrait of a girl close to his age and with ambition, drive, ability and determination. Claudia is a bit like the Season 3 Wade who became some sort of superhacker that year.

I hope Andy found someone like Claudia in real life. I should ask his mother if he did.

Well, I don't think there are two visions between John and Jerry. Despite the brilliance of Jerry's NARCOTICA comic book, Jerry's creative ambitions with every product he's produced have been simply to spend time with his friends. That's why he brought Charlie into Season 4. That's why he wants SLIDERS back now; he wants to hang out with John and Sabrina and Cleavant. It's very obvious from his work on CARTER that Jerry just really likes his co-stars. If SLIDERS were revived as a half-hour series about a hamburger restaurant with Arturo managing the place, Wade on the register, Rembrandt on the grill and Quinn manning the drive-thru, Jerry would take it.

So it's really just John's vision and what he would want to do as Arturo and I think Jerry would go along with whatever John wanted to do.

WAREHOUSE 13 is the undemanding, low stakes procedural that I need right now. The procedural that America needs right now! And I consider "QED" an episode of the show. WAREHOUSE 13 has some interesting parallels with SLIDERS and the potential for legally dissimilar shows about parallel universes. Watching the first several episodes of WAREHOUSE 13, WAREHOUSE 13 is clearly a legally dissimilar copy of THE X-FILES with two government agents (Secret Service, not FBI!) investigating supernatural artifacts (to confiscate and cover them up, not to expose them! Not like THE X-FILES at all!).

The pilot episode of WAREHOUSE 13 seems like something that nobody wanted to make or take ownership of, much like Season 5 of SLIDERS. The original script was written by Rockne O'Bannon (FARSCAPE) and Jane Espenson (BUFFY, ONCE UPON A TIME, GILMORE GIRLS, JESSICA JONES) but Syfy bought it and then retooled it with at least four different writing teams before landing on Jack Kenny, a veteran of children's fantasy show THE SECRET WORLD OF ALEX MACK. By the time WAREHOUSE 13 made it to air, it had become an indecisive, confused product. A photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy with many contradictory sensibilities.

The Pilot has the story elements of a paranoid, conspiracy-minded series of secret agents in a shadow government organization and a simple, Nickelodeon children's show where the heroes look to find and contain dangerous supernatural objects and the questions of who they work for and why is not something kids would ask. WAREHOUSE 13 also seems to be visually very similar to Season 5 of SLIDERS with interior locations being redressed beige hallways if it's not the warehouse set that's the equivalent of SLIDERS' Chandler Hotel.

But WAREHOUSE 13 cast well. And by the end of the first season, WAREHOUSE 13 had succeeded in doing what SLIDERS did in its first two seasons: it created a strong ensemble with the exuberant and childish Eddie McClintock, the bookish and flustered Joanne Kelly, the sardonic Allison Scagliotti and the jaded Saul Rubinek. And their affable, friendly chemistry smoothed out the conceptual confusion of their show. WAREHOUSE 13 was still a legally dissimilar X-FILES shot on a much lower budget, but it was an amiable, undemanding, unchallenging, lightweight X-FILES clone that was soothing and relaxing. Aside from the comedy episodes, THE X-FILES was never fun.

WAREHOUSE 13 being a clone of a pre-existing property and then cloned from subsequent drafts of the clone itself, however, was always something that held it back. I wonder if it is simply bad development strategy to look at a previously successful series and try to replicate it but with just enough differences to a void a lawsuit. But it can work sometimes. BILL AND TED was plainly an American Polaroid of a DOCTOR WHO episode. STAR WARS was an American portrait of THE HIDDEN FORTRESS.

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What would JOHN RHYS-DAVIES' SLIDERS be like?

Jerry O'Connell and John Rhys-Davies, last year, were very enthusiastic about conceiving a new SLIDERS project. Assuming they could get Cleavant and Sabrina back and that they would be setting the creative direction -- what would Jerry and John want to do with SLIDERS? John most definitely has serious creative ambitions for SLIDERS. He wanted to run the writer's room and write scripts. But he also wanted to be the lead character and for Jerry to be his sidekick. I don't know if that's changed in the years that have passed.

I imagine that John would probably want JOHN RHYS-DAVIES' SLIDERS to just start over from the ground up again and he would want to take ownership of the new show and define it with his personality and interests. And I'm not sure John's interests are in social satire; judging from his personality, he would probably be more along the lines of overt lecturing and moral outrage and it would be a very different voice for SLIDERS having originally been more indirect and comedic.

John also doesn't want to do more than a year or two of playing Arturo before quitting and moving on.

I suspect Jerry doesn't have any real creative ambitions aside from always being happy to be working. He's the executive producer of CARTER and it's very obvious from watching CARTER that Jerry just wants to hang out with his friends on the set for 10 episodes a year.

Transmodiar wrote:

I didn't make it to the end. But you don't have to watch past season one to know the show doesn't give two squirts about timing, pacing, or focus. It hopes you like Nathan Fillion or Stana Katic; everything else is incidental.

Well, it cares about the timing of Fillion and Katic's verbal sparring. It cares about pacing the course of their arguments along the case of the (incidental, irrelevant) mystery of the week. It is completely focused on what Fillion and Katic are fighting about that week.

Transmodiar wrote:

If you keep watching, just skip over every scene with Castle's daughter or mother. With the exception of the contractually obligated A-story episode they get each season, they add literally nothing to the series. Nada. Bupkus. ZERO.

I think Castle's family add a breather between Castle's antics and show that he isn't just a quip machine but someone with a family that brings out a more sincere side and let him recharge before his next round with Beckett. It helps the timing and pacing of the arguments. I love Castle's sharp-thinking daughter and regal mother.

Transmodiar wrote:

And if you make it past the episode where the sidekicks get caught in a burning building, I'll buy you a soda. smile

I am not there yet. But I've been making my own sodas lately with a Sodastream. It's amazing! I have had to drive a bit farther than I'd like for carbonator exchanges lately. CASTLE is very enjoyable. And Joanne Kelly showed up which makes me remember that I never got around to finishing WAREHOUSE 13 and should get to it. And Transmodiar once wrote a spec script for WAREHOUSE 13 that is on EarthPrime.com for... some reason.

Uh... how to make this post SLIDERS reboot related. How. How. How?! How?! CASTLE is based in New York City and Jerry O'Connell was born there and... and... oh my God, Grizzlor, PLEASE respond to this thread to make it relevant!

Grizzlor wrote:

I would tune in if channel solely to catch a glimpse or too of Stana Katic, otherwise gahhhhhh, what trash!

I don't feel CASTLE is trash (although I'm only in Season 2). It aims low. It hits its target. It seeks to feature Nathan Fillion and Stana Katic arguing. It features Nathan Fillion and Stana Katic arguing. Followed by Nathan Fillion and Stana Katic arguing. Followed by Fillion fencing with his daughter and mother for a breather. Followed by Nathan Fillion and Stana Katic arguing. It does exactly what it sets out to do. Why isn't that enough?

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I wonder if this might become a thread about all my favourite action girls.

Sooo, watching Jerry O'Connell's very mediocre CARTER had me moving on to watching CASTLE. CARTER strikes me as a legally dissimilar photocopy of CASTLE, about a man from the entertainment industry blundering into crime solving with a no-nonsense lady police detective. Except CARTER foolishly made its leading man an actor with no applicable skills to fighting crime and whereas CASTLE features a mystery novelist who actually has something to offer a procedural series.

But I have to say, the appeal of CASTLE is Nathan Fillion's interaction with Stana Katic and Stana Katic's Detective Kate Beckett is another interesting model of what Maggie Beckett could have been. Katic is strangely similar to Kari Wuhrer at certain angles with the cheekbone defined triangle of Wuhrer's face and the reddish brown hair that frames her face just like Wuhrer. But CASTLE films and costumes Katic so differently: the angles on Katic are specifically to bring out her furrowed brow and laser-like glare as she glowers at Nathan Fillion's antics.

Katic's costuming is also terrific. In Season 1, she only wears a dress in two scenes. The rest of the time, she's clad in large lapeled coats, leather jackets, smart blazers, sharp blouses -- and there's some impressive subtlety in the tailoring where at certain angles, the camera picks up on the curve of Katic's back or the rounding of her cleavage, but it's always incidental, the result of Katic wearing clothes that have been fitted to her form.

Kate Beckett is very well-written. Admittedly, her character is just running through all the procedural tropes. But what makes the character comes alive is Katic playing off Fillion. While Fillion gets all the good wisecracks, Katic easily punctures his ego and the fact that she retains composure and focus when Fillion is being so funny -- it makes Katic's Kate Beckett seem like a focused, professional, clearheaded public servant with a crisp cool that is perpetually unruffled. Katic ensures that even when Beckett is annoyed, Beckett is still in control. Where Fillion is aggressively reacting, Katic is aggressively thinking.

There are many, many shots of Katic looking curiously around various crime scenes, her eyes narrowed pensively, her bearing thoughtful and and calculating, her face absorbing all information around her -- it reminds me of how Jerry played Quinn. It reminds me of Jerry's performance in "In Dinos Veritas" where Jerry is looking around The Cave, showing Quinn spotting all the entrance and exit points and coming up with a plan. Katic quietly conveys that Kate Beckett is a crimefighting genius whose cleverness is obscured by Castle's showboating.

Maybe Stana Katic should play Quinn Mallory.

I forgot to mention: in the first two episodes of CARTER’s second season, Jerry seems to randomly improvise “sliders” in his dialogue with Harley Carter being oddly fixated on the mini-hamburger snack during his inane chatter. It seems to be on Jerry’s mind.

Transmodiar wrote:
ireactions wrote:

CASTLE was a taut, capable, well-paced, focused series about the belligerent sexual tension between Fillion and Katic and novelist Richard Castle had some actual (if delusional) insight and flashes of brilliance to offer murder mysteries.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I've only seen the first season of CASTLE. I'm going to assume from Transmodiar's reaction that CASTLE suffers from behind the scenes issues that causes the show to lose its clear, focused sense of purpose which is to have Nathan Fillion and Stana Katic onscreen arguing and the murder mysteries being incidental if not irrelevant. They could be restaurant chefs. I do recall numerous press articles during its later years detailing how Fillion and Katic had become so hostile that by the end, they would not film together for more than two scenes an episode. It could be difficult for a show about Nathan Fillion and Stana Katic arguing endlessly to function if it could no longer have Nathan Fillion and Stana Katic in the same scenes for entire episodes.

Which, I think, speaks to another point of interest with SLIDERS. Over in the DECLASSIFIED thread, reading Temporal Flux's screenplay has made me realize to my shock that SLIDERS does not need Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo to be SLIDERS -- that the SLIDERS brand is in social satire and commentary rather than Jerry O'Connell.

However, if the purpose is to revive SLIDERS as opposed to creating a legally dissimilar series with a different title, then you need to use characters named Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo and keep characters with these names together for five to seven years or you'd end up with Grizzlor's poll here, contemplating where the show should have been allowed to die a quick death. CASTLE and Transmodiar's mocking laughter towards CASTLE may be another indication of this.

Which means it's vital to hire writers who can run a show for up to a decade and actors who wouldn't ditch the show or take it for granted or refuse to be in the same room. The Bryan Fullers and David Duchovnys of the world wouldn't work for this.

Ideally, you'd want young actors to play Quinn and Wade who have worked in the business for awhile, who've been child actors, who've seen the ups and downs of business and would appreciate a potentially stable job. Kids who've been in Disney Channel type shows that were never huge hits. And you'd want older actors for Rembrandt and Arturo who don't consider themselves above television and wouldn't ditch it for a movie or Broadway and wouldn't drunkenly embarrass a network executive for no good reason whatsoever.

In terms of creators -- you'd want writers and producers who'd form close, personal friendships with their cast and ensure that everyone will be getting along for a decade and who have written material close to SLIDERS' comedy satire.

In the past, I've always though of science fiction writers like J. Michael Straczynski (BABYLON 5) or Jeff Pinkner and Joel Wyman (FRINGE) for SLIDERS, but in the light of DECLASSIFIED, I realize that Straczynski's writing is too preachy for SLIDERS and Pinkner and Wyman are too technology-focused in their science fiction. I also liked the idea of Dan Harmon (COMMUNITY) writing SLIDERS, but again, after DECLASSIFIED -- I realize that SLIDERS is not a situation comedy about wacky characters and that maybe I should have noticed before spending 2015 - 2016 writing just that.

I think I would now want Michael Schur (BROOKLYN NINE NINE) and Greg Daniels (PARKS AND RECREATION) to write SLIDERS as both writers have worked together (on PARKS) and their comedy with police officers and municipal government presented an extremely ambivalent and comedic take on these institutions, never preaching their fundamental importance but never condemning them either. Instead, both Schur and Daniels' scripts focused on the peculiarities and eccentricities of the people within these establishment organizations as they worked with or against or for one another or the public.

I think every long running series is going to have its regrets. But SLIDERS kept falling into holes and Grizzlor's poll shows how SLIDERS kept digging itself deeper with David Peckinpah always having a brand new shovel for Rembrandt with each season premiere. A new SLIDERS needs builders, not diggers, and that attitude has to be reflected among all the cast and creators whether it's Jerry and John playing older versions of the originals (doubles or not) or a new team.

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https://ew.com/tv/the-blacklist-season- … -shutdown/

THE BLACKLIST is going to complete its Season 7 finale with animation.

Will Bruce Timm be handling the Arrowverse shows next year?

All this watching CARTER to contemplate how Jerry would play Quinn today prompted a vague memory of my sister having described a series called CASTLE. Which is on Amazon Prime. And I refuse to give Amazon any money due to their work practices. Therefore, I put on a hazmat suit that I stole from a university eight years ago, drove over to my niece's house and broke in while she was walking her dog (alright, I have a key) and cloned her Amazon Prime account off the sideloaded Android app on her Android TV box (alright, the password was written on a piece of paper on a corkscrew board) and exited the house with no one the wiser and watched a couple episodes of CASTLE -- a show about a mystery novelist (Nathan Fillion) who inflicts his annoying presence on Kate, a no nonsense New York City homicide detective (Stana Katic).

It occurred to me that CARTER, airing two years after CASTLE ended in 2016, is a legally dissimilar version of CASTLE attempting to mine the market that CASTLE left open: a procedural where a man from the entertainment industry is paired with a straight laced police investigator. CASTLE was a taut, capable, well-paced, focused series about the belligerent sexual tension between Fillion and Katic and novelist Richard Castle had some actual (if delusional) insight and flashes of brilliance to offer murder mysteries.

In contrast, Jerry O'Connell's Carter is so juvenile that he never comes off as Sydney Tamiia Poitier's equal and in making Jerry's character an actor as opposed to a writer, Jerry's role on his own show is that of an annoying guest-star who should be tolerated for one episode and dismissed entirely. If CARTER is trying to file off the serial numbers of CASTLE to avoid a lawsuit, it ends up sanding down what made CASTLE effective in the first place.

Could something like this happen to SLIDERS if it were revived in the form of a legally dissimilar TV show?

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It's humbling to be a lifelong fan of SLIDERS (but certainly not as devoted as Temporal Flux) and to re-read something by Temporal Flux that I read years ago -- and only now realize from TF's mastery of SLIDERS' tropes, platform, style and tone that I myself have *never* fully understood the show. DECLASSIFIED shows that it's the non-aggressive and highly contemplative social satire that makes SLIDERS so distinct and memorable. That featuring the sliders Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo does not automatically transform a story into a SLIDERS story. And how you can indeed have SLIDERS without *the* sliders by continuing the themes if not the plots and characters.

It's interesting to compare Seasons 4 - 5 of SLIDERS with DECLASSIFIED again and realize that the problem with those years is only partially the overstretched Bill Dial and Keith Damron scripts, but also a core conceptual problem. Temporal Flux once remarked that while Marc Scott Zicree was a brilliant screenwriter, he was too focused on the science fiction rather than the social commentary. Whether this is Zicree's doing or not, DECLASSIFIED shows that Seasons 4 - 5 demonstrate an overemphasis on technology and a underemphasis on sociology.

Just about every episode of Seasons 4 - 5 are consciously science fiction by playing up some form of advanced technology that did not exist or at least not to that degree in the real world: Kromagg war weapons, a deatomizing machine, virtual reality, slidewaves, cryogenics, psionic healing, energy weapons, VR, VR and VR again, human cloning, bubble universes, combining universes, nanites, AI, telepathic piloting, neural remapping, VR and other technovoodoo.

Keith Damron says that there was a deliberate effort to add science fiction aesthetics to every story by adding these technological elements, often into story pitches that didn't originally have them. Almost no story in Seasons 4 - 5 are designed to explore how people interact and live and what prejudices, stigmas and conventions exist on a social and personal level. The forceful use of these superficial sci-fi elements came at the expense of SLIDERS having once been a very grounded show that looked like an indie movie or a procedural that presented unfamiliar worlds through behaviours rather than special effects and props.

DECLASSIFIED, in its unpretentious, grounded presentation of the SLIDERS format, shows how these self-consciously science fiction elements of the Sci-Fi Channel years are a cluttered distraction from the heart of SLIDERS which is best shown in having people from our world interact with people on other worlds.

And looking critically at my own SLIDERS writing, I seem to have fallen face first into these same unforced errors with SLIDERS REBORN. My plots are entirely too engaged with sliding technology, presenting it as a teleportation device for transporting supplies and then to create an end of the multiverse plot that isn't exactly on the more mundane tone of the sliders attempting to purchase pretzels. In addition, my editors were often alarmed by the humour where Wade grumbles that she planned to spend her evening ironing her socks, not sliding; where Rembrandt receives a replacement Cadillac from Quinn only for a runaway vortex to eat it a half hour later and take Rembrandt's house as well; where the sliders start a business selling 3D printed mini hamburgers and call the firm Sliders Incorporated.

I protested that SLIDERS has always been a comedy -- but DECLASSIFIED makes me realize that the comedy of SLIDERS was not based in Wade and Arturo sniping at each other and Rembrandt being haplessly out of place and Quinn being incompetent yet clever -- it was about the skewed and tilted inversions of our own reality.

My finale has sliding presented in terms of physical combat and while all this seemed to be a crowdpleaser judging from the fan mail, DECLASSIFIED has made me realize that despite comforting people who wanted a happy ending for Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo, my writing did not serve the purpose for which SLIDERS was built -- social satire and thoughtful commentary. There's quite a bit about doomsday scenarios in my writing -- but it's as specific and direct as a Bill Dial script; it's not a discussion, it's a lecture akin to SUPERGIRL calling for people to "resist" while its villains declare, "Nevertheless, she persisted."

DECLASSIFIED shows that SLIDERS wasn't made to lecture and cast judgement, it was made as an invitation for the audience to think and draw their own conclusions.

Which means that despite DECLASSIFIED inspiring me to focus on the zero budget PDF screenplay format for SLIDERS, I see now that I in fact learned all the wrong lessons from it. Should SLIDERS REBORN, written with this new understanding, have been different? The answer is... probably not because when you have dead characters resurrected (it's in the title), that shifts SLIDERS into the superhero genre and SLIDERS REBORN is taking the sliders (the characters) through superhero tropes in a dysfunctional and comedic way. It's the Acclaim comic book version of SLIDERS in the Marvel house style.

And that is fine -- but DECLASSIFIED is the real version of SLIDERS and comparing my material with his makes me *finally* understand why Temporal Flux was always so politely disinterested in resurrecting Wade, splitting the Quinns, liberating Earth Prime, recovering the original Arturo, dismissing the Kromagg Prime backstory and revealing whatever happened to Ryan, Henry, Michelle, Diana, Logan, the FBI, Bennish, Malcolm and Kaldeen.

The only thing Temporal Flux set out to resurrect was the SLIDERS storytelling platform and the only revelation he wanted to make was how SLIDERS' themes, tone, purpose and mission could continue with or without the original sliders. As TF says, DECLASSIFIED isn't an attempt to 'fix' SLIDERS; it's to demonstrate why he loves it.

Anyway. I am sure I will re-read DECLASSIFIED five years and now and learn something entirely new from it.

I finished CARTER's second season. I confess that I was not giving it my full attention and had it on the TV while at the sofa photo editing / steam cleaning my clothes and stuffed animals / completing paperwork / arranging meatballs / cutting chicken wings / writing on this message board. I did concentrate whenever Sydney Tamiia Poitier was onscreen, however. This is Sydney Tamiia Poitier, for God's sake; she commands attention and compels me to drop anything and everything to pay attention. Just from her posture and a raised eyebrow and a pleasant yet authoritative smile, Sydney Tamiia Poitier conveys that Sydney Tamiia Poitier is a highly proficient professional of hypercompetent determination.

In contrast, Jerry O'Connell is so obnoxious as Carter (and I agree with pilight that it's deliberate). CARTER is 20 episodes as of Season 2; Carter has a case closure rate of 100 per cent. I don't know how this is possible as Jerry is determined to make Carter the most erratically inept investigator alive. To quote MISSION IMPOSSIBLE, perfect or not, Carter's methods look suspiciously like chance and his results would appear alarmingly like luck.

I don't know how Sydney Tamiia Poitier's Sam tolerates Carter and Sydney Tamiia Poitier's performance indicates that Sydney Tamiia Poitier is so good at her job that Jerry O'Connell at his twitchiest cannot seriously impede Sydney Tamiia Poitier from accomplishing anything that Sydney Tamiia Poitier sets her mind to doing.

The mysteries are not that interesting. The stakes are always incredibly low. The threats are not convincing. A running 'gag' (I think) is Carter referring to previous episodes of his TV show, CALL CARTER which is (I think) a completely fictional TV series that doesn't exist meaning Carter is referring to nothing whatsoever. I think that it's supposed to be funny but it's meaningless. This show has no reason to exist except that 10 episodes a year of Sydney Tamiia Poitier creates a marginally better world than one without 10 episodes of Sydney Tamiia Poitier except this is Sydney Tamiia Poitier and surely she deserves a better job.

Season 2 ends on a soft cliffhanger where Carter asks Sydney Tamiia Poitier not to leave the small town for New York City because Carter is in love with her. Sydney Tamiia Poitier regards Carter in this cliffhanger with slightly teary eyes, I assume, because the wind blew into her eyes at that point. I have no idea what the Sydney Tamiia Poitier would see in the dysfunctional man child that Jerry O'Connell is playing in this series; she's a responsible, capable career woman and Jerry's version of Harley Carter seems incapable of opening a door without causing a scene. Once again, Sydney Tamiia Poitier plays the moment to indicate that if she were to lower her standards to date an extremely childish Jerry O'Connell, it wouldn't seriously interfere with her goals in life.

A lot of CARTER is Jerry O'Connell engaging in what looks suspiciously like actors' exercises with minor league Canadian stars that may be very amusing to people who are friends with a lot of actresses (raises hand) but meaningless to anyone else.

CARTER is funded by some Canadian media companies and the beneficiary of some Canadian tax credits and is filmed in the small Canadian town of North Bay. It's only just finished airing its latest 10 episodes in America and may or may not get a third season and that decision is probably dependent on funding rather than ratings. CARTER is a marginally diverting hour of television and an interesting study into Jerry O'Connell's acting in the modern era. I'm not sure who else would want to watch CARTER.

I can report that Jerry O'Connell clearly LOVES the show. Perhaps a little too much given how his visible glee and relish for his ridiculous character is so high energy that he noticeably drains energy from ME just from watching him. It is very clear that ever since Jerry quit drinking, his enthusiasm for his work has been cranked up to the point where he's not entirely able to restrain himself at times. I recognize, as pilight observed, that Harley Carter is meant to be a terrible actor and that he sees acting as drawing attention to himself rather than conveying the emotion and meaning of the scene, but when nearly every scene has Jerry at his most manic, then every scene becomes the same.

If CARTER gets a third season, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have another 10 episodes of Sydney Tamiia Poitier being commanding and driven and somehow above all of Carter's nonsense.

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Temporal Flux is right to be cautious. But I wonder how feasible a China style social credit system is for America, a country that can't even implement social distancing.

Also -- did the Trump administration accomplish something recently?
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/0 … hip-236313

I pray that they have for my American brothers and sisters.

You know, the Donald Trump of the north, Doug Ford, has been far from perfect. But the public can see that he is fighting for their safety, for their resources, for their well-being. He failed to raise testing rates as quickly as possible, he has had disastrous results with long term care homes -- but everyone can see that he is putting in the hours, taking all the complaints, bearing all the blame. Everyone knows that none of his failures resulted from a lack of effort. Trying counts.

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More from Trank on F4 and how he deliberately prevented a CHRONICLE sequel:

https://www.polygon.com/2020/5/5/212466 … -chronicle

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It's strange -- a lot of the realizations about SLIDERS that DECLASSIFIED prompted in me -- I realized them unknowingly when I read it years ago.

DECLASSIFIED is a SLIDERS story; despite not having the sliders, it has the themes and tone of the Pilot and most of the first season. It is recognizably SLIDERS in the way Seasons 4 - 5 so definitively aren't with their straightforward moralizing and their focus on physical threat. By showing the SLIDERS formula and brand without the sliders in it, Temporal Flux has demonstrated what the original model of SLIDERS storytelling was in the first place.

And that poses some interesting questions because one of the biggest problems SLIDERS fans have debated: how could SLIDERS have remained more recognizably SLIDERS across losing three-quarters of its cast and its original filming location and its series creators? One game has been to transplant the Season 1 - 2 cast into Season 3 - 5 episodes. You can read the version of "Sole Survivors" where poor Arturo has to fight zombies and the first draft of what became "The Other Slide of Darkness" which also features our beloved Professor. https://earthprime.com/sliders-scripts-collection Mike Truman wrote a clever essay about how Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo might have faced the vampires of "Stoker." https://earthprime.com/essays/salvaging-stoker I wrote a Quinn and Wade edition of "Net Worth." http://sliders.tv/bboard/viewtopic.php?id=323

One of my favourite fanfics is the Earth 210 episode guide set on an Earth where Torme and Weiss presumably stayed throughout and a lot of it is taking the existing episodes but assigning Maggie, Colin, Diana and Mallory's roles to the originals. https://earthprime.com/earth-210 I've generally seen Earth 210 as a plausible depiction of a Torme and Weiss SLIDERS -- but after re-reading DECLASSIFIED this week, I realize that this is not entirely the case.

DECLASSIFIED indicates that tone of SLIDERS under Torme and Weiss is not based in sci-fi action-adventure concepts. It isn't interested in virtual reality, slidewaves, cryogenics, interdimensional ghosts, slidecages, turning black people into cyborg zombies, amusement parks that consume negative emotions, bubble universes, collapsing universes, reality warping weapons, interdimensional trench warfare, interdimensional libraries, nanites, aritficial intelligence customer service, aliens landing on Earth, neural remapping and other STAR TREK/STARGATE style tropes. Torme and Weiss are mostly interested in the people who live in these worlds. They want to show what the infomercials would be like. How the fast food restaurants would run.

Putting Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo in Season 4 - 5 Sci-Fi Channel scripts may have livened them up and made them more familiar, but DECLASSIFIED reveals to me that they still wouldn't be SLIDERS stories as defined by Torme, Weiss and DECLASSIFIED.

Looking at Seasons 4 - 5 and its 40 episodes, only three story concepts stand out to me as immediately suited to the Torme/Weiss model: "Virtual Slide" could have been a fascinating exploration of a world where in-person communication is considered rude and intrusive and "A Current Affair" is potentially a razor sharp satire on how gossipy scandal distracts from politics of actual consequence to life and livelihood. "Map of the Mind" was potentially a great story about a world where fiction is viewed with contempt.

Marc Scott Zicree does a brilliant job with "World Killer" and "Slidecage," but neither is exactly a commentary on human society. Annie Fish in their Think of a Roulette Wheel blog called "World Killer" an "outlier" as Season 4 doesn't measure up to its quality. I wonder if "World Killer" would still have been an outlier, surrounded by more grounded stories in a Torme and Weiss run SLIDERS.

"Prophets and Loss" by Bill Dial -- I wonder if on a Torme/Weiss model, this story is reworked so that the fundamentalist rulers are fixated on the health of their population (something TF wrote about in another thread), using a social credit system to bar people from driving cars if they're considered overweight or getting into bars if they're considered to be staying out too late.

"California Reich" would probably be Torme's wish to have a story where black people practice racism against whites, although I dunno how that would play out. "Lipschitz Live" would probably need to be TF's idea of a reality TV world where privacy doesn't exist, everything is filmed and televised live and people actively play to the cameras to win themselves attention. "Net Worth," "Data World" and "Slide By Wire" are probably best folded into "Virtual Slide."

"Just Say Yes" was better off as Jerry O'Connell's "Narcotica" comic book which simply played the concept straight with a world where all drugs are legal.

"My Brother's Keeper" is potentially interesting -- I can't see Torme/Weiss being too keen on sci-fi cloning, but perhaps they would have liked something closer to "The Breeder"'s alt-world -- a world where people can sign up to donate organs for money including ones essential for staying alive, and the sliders find themselves trying to rescue donors who don't understand why the sliders are horrified by the situation.

"The Chasm" is ridiculous, but there could be something to a world where displays of anger and aggression are medicated as mental illness.

"Revelations" could have been an intriguing world where Holocaust denialism is mainstream? "New Gods For Old" is a really good story, and I wonder if that would be worth keeping mostly as-is as an outlier of a more sci-fi oriented story. "Please Press One" -- I'd probably fold the AI concept from that into "Virtual Slide," I'm not sure it needs its own episode. I feel like anything "The Java Jive" might have to say about a society addicted to caffeine and stimulants is also best folded into "Narcotica."

"Map of the Mind" is an excellent concept brought to life in an extremely Torme/Weiss style DOCTOR WHO story in a novel called "The Stealer of Dreams" and I recommend this Steve Lyons novel to all SLIDERS fans, even fans who aren't familiar with DOCTOR WHO.

"A Thousand Deaths" and its video game concept has me thinking of the classic STAR TREK anti-war story, "The Armageddon Factor" where two civilizations wage simulated wars and virtual casualties on either side are handled with civilians voluntarily reporting for execution. But it had been done by STAR TREK, I'm not sure SLIDERS needed to do a replay.

Mike Truman cited something very interesting about the episodes "Heavy Metal" and "Dust." "Heavy Metal" has the protagonists preventing the development of aircraft so that ships stay in business. "Dust" has the protagonists appalled by archaeologists intruding upon the dead. Truman noted that "Heavy Metal" and "Dust" demonstrate a clear hostility towards science and exploration, a very peculiar attitude for a science fiction series like SLIDERS. I wonder if that's something to be mined, but it was probably done sufficiently with "Gillian of the Spirits."

DECLASSIFIED has made me realize at a surprisingly late stage that a SLIDERS story is significantly more elusive than my SLIDERS REBORN scripts offering parallel Earths and making sure Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo have funny arguments throughout. It requires a careful hand to examine and twist the subject matter whether it's gender norms or in-person communication or a stimulant-addicted society or one that eschews fiction -- but it also needs to be subtle enough that it's a contemplation rather than an attack.

And it also makes me wonder -- if we were saddled with Maggie, Colin, Diana and Mallory but had a network and producers eager to maintain the Torme/Weiss model of non-confrontational satire -- who would have even be able to write these stories without Torme and Weiss at the helm? I couldn't do it. Tony Blake and Paul Jackson couldn't do it. David Peckinpah at his most engaged and determined couldn't do it. Bill Dial's "Prophets and Loss" and its crashingly unsubtle moralizing makes it pretty clear that he wasn't up for it. Marc Scott Zicree is a genius, but his genius does not lie in the Torme/Weiss model.

And that might be a nonsensical question anyway because any regime keen to maintain the Torme/Weiss design wouldn't have driven them from their show in the first place.

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It sounds like Temporal Flux was pitching X-MEN material to Marvel during the Grant Morrison era when Morrison decided to downplay X-MEN's civil rights metaphors in favour of the X-MEN demonstrating conflict between progressivism and conservatism, youth and age, punk and classicism by having mutants developing their own culture and value system separate from humans.

Morrison's NEW X-MEN was brilliant, but as with SLIDERS, Morrison's approach required a very specific set of life experiences and interests and eccentricities to tell stories with his model and other writers floundered when trying to work within this new house style. Morrison was only writing one X-MEN title with different writers scripting the other 10 - 15.

X-MEN as a civil rights allegory is something any writer can approach with their own spin while still producing a recognizable X-MEN story. X-MEN as teen angst is a massive oversimplification of a template that was too complicated and idiosyncratic to assign to anyone other than Grant Morrison. SLIDERS under Torme and Weiss has a personality of unpretentious and low-key satire that aims for contemplation rather than condemnation. "The Weaker Sex" doesn't propose that women are better than men; it just puts the balance of power on the other side. "Luck of the Draw" doesn't endorse population control; it asks you to think about it.

It's difficult to write, but Torme and Weiss weren't just writing their own scripts; they were editing and revising everyone else's. Morrison wasn't editing and revising anyone else's X-MEN stories other than his own on NEW X-MEN.

Temporal Flux's DECLASSIFIED shows how SLIDERS has a house style like Grant Morrison's NEW X-MEN -- but unlike NEW X-MEN, SLIDERS doesn't disqualify other styles but in fact incorporates them. In Season 2 of SLIDERS, the Torme/Weiss model of comedic social commentary is somewhat diminished as new writers came aboard and Weiss was no longer involved. To write a Torme/Weiss story, you have to have a certain peculiarity of personality, I think.

Temporal Flux is someone who watches both FOX and CNN news and then identifies the truth as somewhere in between. Temporal Flux is a person of uncommon clarity and wide perspective and I think you need that to tell this sort of SLIDERS story. I personally do not have that. Few people do which is why most people who write SLIDERS stories are more on the Tony Blake and Paul Jackson spectrum.

Blake and Jackson are two very solid action-adventure writers who wrote and produced a lot of 90s TV. They wrote "Love Gods" in Season 2 and "Double Cross" in Season 3. Neither script has Torme and Weiss' gentle parodies of popular culture, neither presents a tilted perspective on gender divides or environmentalist concerns. But both "Love Gods" and "Double Cross" are recognizably SLIDERS stories because they feature Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt, Arturo, alternate history, exploration of a parallel world, the perspective of the multiverse and so long as you have those aspects of SLIDERS, you can tell good stories that are still SLIDERS stories.

But when you don't have those elements to tell a SLIDERS story, then you need the house style. The original voice. The Torme/Weiss perspective on SLIDERS as a platform for social satire that is indirect, comedic, non-judgemental and invites thought and consideration. That will make the story feel like SLIDERS when it doesn't have *the* sliders.

However, the challenge of maintaining SLIDERS' identity without the sliders -- that's something the actual SLIDERS TV show fumbled and whereas Temporal Flux's personality is so in tune with SLIDERS that even when his story doesn't feature the sliders, it is recognizably and authentically SLIDERS.

I just finished an episode where the legendary Sydney Tamiia Poitier catches Jerry in a very vulnerable moment and Jerry plays this scene very well without all the artifice and mugging that he usually engages in for Harley.

Jerry constantly highlights how Harley is smiling, chattering and asserting authority and expertise but falsely and pretending. Acting is not about pretending. Acting is about presenting emotional truth in fictional contexts and Harley Carter does not present truth except in these few isolated scenes where Jerry tones down Harley Carter's antics.

I could certainly be persuaded that Jerry O'Connell is performing Harley as a bad actor.

I'm deeper into Season 2 of CARTER and I'm seeing another side to Jerry O'Connell -- but it isn't necessarily an improvement. In Season 4 of SLIDERS, we saw Jerry at his most disengaged from his material, not infusing his dialogue with emotion, not reacting to onscreen events, staring vacantly off camera and blandly fading into the background. CARTER shows Jerry at the extreme opposite of his last year on SLIDERS; Jerry is determined to mine every syllable for overpronounced, overdetermined emotion and he is so much in the foreground with his (in-character) mugging for the camera that he is exhausting to see onscreen. Carter is one of the most gratingly obnoxious characters that Jerry has ever performed.

However, there's an episode of CARTER where Jerry has to threaten someone and he performs his threat in a low key, offhand, sinister in its laid back delivery with Jerry's suddenly muted body language making Carter seem frightening because his relentlessly intense efforts to engage with others are suddenly absent.

I'm not sure it's the best acting choice to have the Carter character always at a 15 out of 10 on the intensity scale, but it's clear that Jerry retains all his skills as an actor and that his overlaboured effort in CARTER is an acting choice.

I watched a couple more episodes of CARTER which aired its second season of 10 episodes earlier this year. CARTER is about TV actor Harley Carter (Jerry O'Connell) on hiatus from his cop show and vacationing in the small town where he grew up. He starts solving actual crimes with his childhood friend Sam (Sydney Tamiia Poitier), a police detective. Carter views every moment in life as a scene from his TV show and is a grossly incompetent investigator, but through a combination of luck, luck, luck and Sam, he keeps haphazardly closing cases and is accepted as a police consultant. Season 1 of this show is ridiculous with Sam perpetually snarling at Carter that he is not a cop and that life is not a cop show and that his methods won't solve crimes only for Carter to solve crimes because CARTER is a cop show no matter what Sam says.

Season 2 is... about the same. While Syndey Tamiia Poitier brings the Sydney Tamiia Poitier forcefulness and authority to her character, Sydney Tamiia Poitier is now forced to defend Carter as an asset to criminal investigations. Now, this is Sydney Tamiia Poitier. If Sydney Tamiia Poitier told me that the moon was made of cheese and that Charlie O'Connell is a master thespian, I would believe it. Sydney Tamiia Poitier sells the moments in which she declares that Carter is capable of solving crimes.

Jerry O'Connell, however, is not entirely supporting her because his performance is a series of overstrained, overextended and generally overdone smirks and smiles. Carter doesn't seem competent at all and like a danger to himself and others and Jerry's overly twitchy performance makes him seem erratic. I'm not sure when this happened, but Jerry O'Connell seems to have thrown away his ability to be unforced and natural in his acting: every expression is prolonged just a few seconds too long, every gesticulation or nostril flare or furrowed brow is forced to the point where it's not a character reacting to a situation but an actor vastly overplaying his scene.

On some level, it works for CARTER because Carter is treating every situation like a scene in his TV show. But in publicity photos and interviews, Jerry has exhibited quite a bit of this behaviour, often visibly refusing to blink while the camera is on him (which is also present in CARTER), stretching his mouth wide to show every tooth in his smile -- and it makes me wonder if he would bring any of this into playing Quinn Mallory if he were to do so again.

That said, Carter and Quinn are *very* different characters and if Jerry were to reprise Quinn, I would want him to perform Quinn as a quiet, subtle observer, a man who stands at a slight distance to watch and absorb all information, a person who is thinking intensely about everything before he says anything at all. Carter is not a thinker but a character of impulses, so Jerry's acting is appropriate for this character -- I just hope he isn't playing every other role like this these days.

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I think Slide Override's analysis of DECLASSIFIED's technical merits as a screenplay is very interesting.

I personally got a lot out of the Reese character, particularly his monologue with Alli. I have never talked about this because DECLASSIFIED wasn't public, but I read DECLASSIFIED before I decided to write SLIDERS REBORN. I wanted to write SLIDERS scripts, but I didn't know what I wanted to say aside from declaring that I really missed Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo.

When I read the pages of Reese describing the sliding technology as a device that cuts through the pages of the book that is reality -- it made me realize that I did have something I wanted to express. I wanted to say that the science of SLIDERS is really the science of stories, the mechanics of plot, characterization, world-building, action and result and that I could present that in my own SLIDERS writing.

And Reese's monologue is quite beautifully written and I imagined it being performed by Brandon Routh. On the subject of dream casting, when I first read DECLASSIFIED, I thought Alli was clearly Allison Mack, but on this recent re-read, I saw Alli as Allison Scagliotti and am relieved that Hollywood will continue to produce hyperactive young women named Allison even as Allison Mack is in under house arrest for sex trafficking.

I got a lot out of Bennish too. To me, Bennish is just the stoner classmate in Arturo's class, but TF has seen a lot more depth in the character, first observing that Bennish seems to be about 25 - 30 years in the past at all times culturally, and second by noting that Bennish isn't as intelligent as he claims, observing that Bennish was ranting about nuclear power in "Last Days" but not actually engaged in any development and that Arturo did all the work on the bomb while Bennish interfered and distracted. TF said that Bennish was designed as a foil and a catalyst and I saw that understanding lead to Bennish being so clearly exposed for what he is in DECLASSIFIED.

I think the strongest influence of DECLASSIFIED for me -- I would get stalled a lot on my fan fiction because it never seemed to properly replicate the original spirit and voice of SLIDERS. My world building was not acceptable. And then Temporal Flux presented a perfect representation of SLIDERS through his storytelling instincts and his own personality.

I realized that for him and likely for Torme and Weiss, SLIDERS is a song they know how to sing intuitively. For other SLIDERS writers, SLIDERS is more an instrument that will sound different in each person's hands and that it was alright to embrace SLIDERS as an instrument. I could never be Temporal Flux and I now understood that I didn't have to try to be as funny and satirical; I would instead aim for capturing the voices of the actors and be earnest and heartfelt.

Once I grasped that, I was able to produce some enjoyable results by writing Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo stories, stories about the sliders. But Temporal Flux's DECLASSIFIED is actually a SLIDERS story.

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I'm not going to describe any specific scenes from DECLASSIFIED in this post, but DECLASSIFIED is a really special piece of work to me as a reader and a fan of SLIDERS because Temporal Flux does something special: he captures the spirit of SLIDERS.

Soft Touch: The SLIDERS house style as established by Tracy Torme and Robert K. Weiss has a very specific personality: it's satirical and gentle. Shows like SOUTH PARK and SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE are direct and savage in mocking politics, culture and societal prejudice. But SLIDERS is indirect and kind. Perhaps one of the most memorable scenes of SLIDERS is the Pilot where a captive Rembrandt is told by a threatening Ross J. Kelly that the Soviet ruled America will have Rembrandt put on trial in The People's Court -- which is revealed to be the actual TV courtroom show.

Comedic: Temporal Flux's approach to SLIDERS is very focused on the social satire and the specific tone of the show as found in "Prince of Wails" where the celebrity profile of the English Royal Family is presented in terms of a light Robin Hood pastiche. And as seen when SLIDERS regards sports fanatics with amusement in "Eggheads" as commentators are fixated on the statistics of Mindgame and rappers are shown expressing the joy of learning. The soul of SLIDERS is not based in grand oratory about current events like THE WEST WING or in ridiculing extremists like a modern CW superhero show. Instead, SLIDERS provides allegories in the way THE TWILIGHT ZONE and THE OUTER LIMITS created situations analagous to 60s civil rights issues, but the SLIDERS twist is that its allegories are comedic and sweet.

A Natural: DECLASSIFIED very naturally and easily captures that tone. It satirizes its subject with a gently comic allegory. It creates a lightly adversarial and warm interplay between its characters. It mines its material to create comedic situations regarding capitalism and consumer culture and mass media competition, but unlike SOUTH PARK which stabs its targets, Temporal Flux takes the SLIDERS approach of tilting his object of focus rather than attacking it and that turns out to be the core of TF's vision for SLIDERS.

Stripped Bare: It's impressive because as a SLIDERS story, DECLASSIFIED is completely lacking in most of the usual identifiers for SLIDERS. DECLASSIFIED was written as a fan film. It does not feature Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo, it doesn't feature San Francisco and is distinctly written to have few extras and locations. It doesn't feature four civillian misfits. It doesn't have the SLIDERS formula of visiting a dystopia and falling in with the local resistance.

Identity: And yet, it is clearly a SLIDERS story in the vein of a Tracy Torme and Robert K. Weiss script because it skews its subject matter without skewering it and mines the characters' confused, comedic assimilation of a strange new land for that elusive yet undeniable SLIDERS tone of humour and adversity. It doesn't feel like an approximation of the authorial voice that created the original SLIDERS pilot; it simply is that voice.

Difficult: Even the very best SLIDERS stories by others don't achieve this and wisely don't try. Nigel Mitchell, for example, is a master world builder for SLIDERS with many wonderfully off-the-wall concepts for alt-histories -- but his writing is used to create a nightmarish sense of threat against the sliders. Marc Scott Zicree viewed SLIDERS as a platform for extravagant science fiction concepts rather than social commentary. Mike Truman aims for satirical scripts and prose, but his writing expresses frustration, outrage and exasperation with societal prejudices and establishment fictions.

Voice: In my own SLIDERS writing, I find that I simply have the wrong personality for effective social satire. I am direct and specific; I am critical instead of comedic -- which is why my writing focuses on a pastiche of the actors. My writing sounds like the voices of Jerry, Sabrina, Cleavant and John. But Temporal Flux's writing sounds like Tracy Torme and Robert K. Weiss.

Defined: Temporal Flux's writing is so close to the Torme and Weiss model that to me, they might as well be one and the same. Temporal Flux's satire is deftly ironic and wry rather than angry, precisely as defined by Torme and Weiss -- which makes a lot of sense when seeing that both men were of TV and film that includes SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE, THE BLUES BROTHERS and THE NAKED GUN series.

In Likeness: In fact, Temporal Flux's thinking on SLIDERS is so similar to Torme. In 2000, I asked Torme what his pefect ending for SLIDERS would be. Torme said he'd like to see Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo make it home with Quinn stranded on another world; the three sliders would rebuild their lives, but after a time, they would find a way to rescue Quinn and in travelling to another world to save him, they would lose their way back and be lost in the interdimension once again but this time by choice.

Authentic: In 2012 or so, this forum was randomly contemplating what the ideal end for SLIDERS would have been and Temporal Flux said he could imagine an ending where the sliders make it home without Quinn and then rescue Quinn but lose the way home in doing so and accept this because home is not a place but the people you're with. His random speculations were the intentions of the series creator.

I have always felt that Nigel Mitchell and Mike Truman capture the inventiveness and imagination of SLIDERS and that I capture the voice of the four original sliders. That we use the SLIDERS platform for our own voices. But Temporal Flux's voice is the actual voice of SLIDERS and that's why DECLASSIFIED has a perfect authenticity for the series.

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Tara Reade has changed her story again, claiming that the record of her sexual harassment complaint  she demanded that Biden release contains no complaint of sexual harassment. She also cancelled her Sunday interview on FOX. She did this on Friday, shortly after Biden wrote on Medium that he would ask the National Archives to release any documents pertaining to Reade and followed up with a letter asking the Secretary of Senate to do the same. https://apnews.com/aec7beb03e9e0e0e6e3c58111293e0ea

I've written before that Biden doesn't follow the pattern of silencing, distraction and intimidating that most abusers follow. There is another pattern in abusers where the perpetrator will tell the victim that if they perform a certain task, the abuse will cease; the abuser will then move the goalposts to declare that their target failed to meet the conditions to end their suffering. It is particularly common in those who engage in elder abuse with the view that the elderly with their long and faded memories can be easy targets.

Reade was the one who insisted on repeating her demand that Biden release documents that would validate the part of her story where she reported his harassment. Now that Biden has consented to release any such records, she's changing her story to say that those documents wouldn't support her story after all.

Then what was she hoping to accomplish in demanding these documents? Aside notoriety, attention and abusing her former employer?

Reade later claimed on Twitter that the Associated Press story is false, but when asked to elaborate -- was she misquoted? Were her quotes falsified? She didn't reply.

David Axelrod, Obama's former campaign manager, reported that he was part of reviewing Biden's history and documents when Obama was considering Biden for VP. Axelrod says there was no record of any complaint from Tara Reade and that in vetting VP candidates, complaints of this nature would have been located and flagged for follow-up interviews with anyone involved. https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/opinions … =hvper.com

It is a terrible thing to say that a woman should not be believed when she says that she has been assaulted. It is horrific for female victims to see fellow survivors be disbelieved. But Reade is behaving like an abuser: moving the goalposts of her demands, using the supposed vagaries of an old man's memory to attack him where he seems defenceless -- and now that Biden has proven able to defend himself with gentleness and affirmation and accountability, Reade is abruptly reversing and retreating.

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Well, I am a big fan of DOCTOR WHO audio plays. Maybe the next season of the Arrowverse has no visuals, is audioplay only, while commercial ads display throughout the entire one hour timeslot.

But I like TF’s idea of Barry mastering Zoom.

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Biden said that Reade's harassment complaint documents, if they exist, would be in the National Archives. Business Insider reached out to National Archives and were informed that Senate records would not be stored with them.

Later today, Biden sent a new letter to Julie Adams, Secretary of the Senate. The letter from Biden, which he also made public, states that he was under the impression at the National Archives would have the records. He's since been informed that the Senate retains them after all. Biden asks that Adams locate Reade's complaint and any and all related documents and make them public.

In my view, Biden isn't trying to cover anything up and he isn't trying to hide anything. We've seen how actual abusers with platforms and resources like Biden's handle allegations. They threaten legal action. They try to buy their victims' silence. They smear their victims as unstable, delusional, deceitful and opportunistic. They call the victim ugly. They try to distract with alternate revelations. They try to claim that abuse is normal and refer to other celebrities doing the same.

But Biden's delayed response has revealed a desire to avoid traumatizing female abuse victims on a national stage even as he refutes an allegation of abuse. His refusals to speculate on Reade's reasons or motives are a refusal to smear a woman smearing him. His declaration that he will not retaliate against Reade in court or public opinion is comforting to women. His request for Reade's complaint to be located and publicized has been made openly. This is not the behaviour of an abuser.

I cannot stress enough in the name of Quinn's glasses, Wade's hockey tickets, Rembrandt's US dollars and the Professor's slide rule that the views of ireactions are not the views of the Sliders.TV community.

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https://variety.com/2020/biz/news/telev … 234595453/

Warner Bros.' TV departments is discussing how they can resume filming after the virus is confirmed to have peaked in Vancouver but before effective antivirals or vaccines are available. They're wondering if they can produce shows with no physical contact between actors and stunt performers, no extras, no outdoor location filming, no open access food tables, and all crew members six feet apart.

... I dunno.

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Well, Biden has a reputation for being physically intrusive with people -- not just women. It's an outdated attitude and it leaves Biden open to charges of sexual harassment and the fact that it wasn't intended sexually (which Reade herself originally claimed) is meaningless if the woman on the receiving end perceives it otherwise.

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The Washington Post expanded more on how Biden would not want his Delaware-based records opened up because they contain numerous private conversations and communications that could be easily mined for political attacks and no candidate running for office would release those.

Again, I really have a lot of admiration for Biden refusing to speak poorly of Reade in any way or speculate as to her motives (at least not in a public statement), declaring that he would not pursue any reprisal against her, and simply saying that her accusation is untrue. His self-control and awareness of all the women who aren't Reade was admirable. At least that's how it looked to me. Anyway, here's a transcript.

BRZEZINSKI: "Mr. Vice President, thank you for coming on the show this morning. We have a lot of questions to ask you."

BIDEN: "Thank you for having me."

BRZEZINSKI: "We’ll ask you questions about how you would handle this pandemic, the campaign, and other news of the day. For the start, it is just you and me. I want to get right to the allegation made against you by Tara Reade. So the former Senate aide accuses you of sexual assault. To our viewers, please excuse the graphic nature of this, but we want to make sure there is no question about what we are talking about. She says in 1993, Mr. Vice President, you pinned her against a wall and reached under her clothing and penetrated her with your fingers. Would you please go on the record with the American people? Did you sexually assault Tara Reade?"

BIDEN: "No. It is not true. I’m saying unequivocally: It never, never happened. And it didn’t. It never happened."

BRZEZINSKI: "Do you remember her? Do you remember any types of complaints she might have made?"

BIDEN: "I don’t remember any type of complaint she may have made. It was 27 years ago. I don’t remember, nor does anyone else that I’m aware of. And the fact is that I don’t remember. I don’t remember any complaint ever having been made."

BRZEZINSKI: "Have you or your campaign -- have you reached out to her?"

BIDEN: "No. I have not reached out to her. It was 27 years ago. It never happened. When she first made the claim, we made it clear that it never happened. And that’s as simple as that."

BRZEZINSKI: "In the past 30 minutes or so, you released a statement on Medium, and, among other things, you write this: “There is only one place a complaint of this kind could be, the National Archives. I am requesting that the secretary of state” -- the Senate -- 'ask the Archives to identify any record of the complaint she alleges she filed … If there was any such complaint, the record will be there.' Are you preparing us for a complaint that might be revealed in some way? Are you confident there is nothing?"

BIDEN: "I’m confident there is nothing. No one ever brought it to the attention of me 27 years ago … No one that I’m aware of in my campaign -- excuse me, in my Senate office at the time -- is aware of any such request. And -- or of any such complaint. And so I’m not worried about it at all. If there is a complaint, that’s where it would be, and that’s where it would be filed. And if it’s there, put it out, but I have never seen it. No one has that I’m aware of."

BRZEZINSKI: "The New York Times has investigated this exhaustively. They didn’t find any of your staff were able to corroborate the details of this allegation. She did file a police report a few weeks ago with the D.C. police. But since you want to set the record straight, why limit this only to Tara Reade? Why not release any complaints that had been made against you during your Senate career?"

BIDEN: "I’m prepared to do that. To the best of my knowledge there have been no complaints made against me in my Senate career or my office, or anything I ran. Look, this is an open book. There is nothing for me to hide. Nothing at all.

BRZEZINSKI: "You were unequivocal in 2018 during the Kavanaugh controversy and hearings that women should be believed. You said this: 'For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights, the focus nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she is talking about is real. Whether or not she forgets the facts, whether or not it has been made worse or better over time.' Going to be going on national television on Sunday, Tara Reade is coming forward in the glaring lights, to use your words -- should we not start off with the presumption that the essence of what she’s talking about is real? She says you sexually assaulted her."

BIDEN: "Look, from the beginning, I’ve said believing a woman means taking the woman’s claim seriously when she steps forward. And then vet it. Look into it. That’s true in this case as well. Women have a right to be heard, and the press should investigate claims they make. I will always uphold that principle.  But in the end, in every case, the truth is what matters. In this case, the truth is: The claims are false."

BRZEZINSKI: "Is it possible that the truth is contained in -- do you have any NDAs that have been signed by women employed by you?"

BIDEN: "There is no NDA signed. I’ve never asked anyone to sign an NDA. There are no NDAs, period, in my case. None."

BRZEZINSKI: "Your Senate documents at the University of Delaware were supposed to go public and then resealed. The access was changed. I know that you are saying any HR complaints would be in the National Archives. But why not reveal your Senate documents that are being held in Delaware? I know there’s 1,800-plus boxes. But if she believes and she alleges the complaints may be hidden there, why not strive for complete transparency? Why was the access to those documents sealed up when they were supposed to be revealed?"

BIDEN: "Well, they weren’t supposed to be revealed. I gave them to the university. The university said it was going to take time to go through all the boxes. And they said it wouldn’t be before 2020 that that occurred, or 2021 -- I can’t remember what year they said. But look, a record like this can only be at one place. It would be -- it would not be at the University of Delaware. My archives do not contain personnel files; my archives contain documents … They are public records. My speeches, my papers, my position papers. And if that document existed, it would be stored in the National Archives, where documents from the office she claimed to have filed a complaint with are stored. That’s where they are stored. The Senate controls those archives. I’m asking the secretary of the Senate today to identify whether any such document exists. If it does, make it public."

BRZEZINSKI: "Right, but there are claims and concerns and reports in Business Insider, and she claims that possibly a complaint or some sort of record of this might be at the University of Delaware. So for complete transparency, why not push for the release of any documents with Tara Reade’s name on them, whether it’s at the University of Delaware or the National Archives?"

BIDEN: First of all, let’s get this straight. There are no personnel documents. You can’t do that, you wouldn’t, for example, if you worked with mayor, I worked for you, and you had my income tax returns, you had my whatever, they’re private documents. They’re not for -- they don’t get put out in the public. They’re not part of the public record that in fact, that any senator or vice president or president has in their documents. Look, there was one place that she could file the complaint, and that office at the time was -- all those records from that office are in the Archives, and they’re controlled by the Senate. That’s where personnel documents would be if they exist. That’s where the complaint would be if it exists."

BRZEZINSKI: "Given the fact that you have said in the past that if a woman goes under the lights and talks about something like this, we have to consider that the essence of this is real, is the essence of what she is saying real? Why do you think she is doing this?"

BIDEN: "I’m not going to question her motive. I’m not going to get into that at all. I don’t know why she’s saying this. I don’t know why after 27 years all of a sudden this gets raised. I don’t understand it. But I’m not going to go in and question her motive. I’m not going to attack her. She has a right to say whatever she wants to say. But I have a right to say look at the facts, check it out, find out whether any of it — what she says is asserted or true. And based on the investigations that have taken place so far, to the best of my knowledge, by two major papers, they interviewed dozens of my staff members, not just senior staff but staff members, I’m told. At least that’s what they said, and nobody -- this was not the atmosphere in my office at all. No one has ever said anything like this."

BRZEZINSKI: "But Mr. Vice President, as it pertained to Dr. Ford, high-level Democrats said she should be believed; that they believed it happened. You said if someone like Dr. Ford would come out, the essence of what she is saying has to be believed and has to be real. Why? Why is it real for Dr. Ford but not for Tara Reade?"

BIDEN: "Look, because the facts are -- Look. I’m not suggesting she had no right to come forward. And I never -- I’m not saying any woman -- they should come forward, they should be heard, and then it should be investigated. It should be investigated. And if there is anything that is consistent with what is being said and she makes the case or the case is made, then it should be believed. But ultimately, the truth matters. The truth matters. Period. I fought my entire life to change the whole notion -- to change the law and the notion around sexual assault. I fought to strengthen and protect the process for survivors. We have come a long way, and have a long way to go until we are in the position of a fair and unbiased view, but at the end of the day, it has to be looked at. These claims are not true. They are not true. There’s no -- they’re -- they’re not true."

BRZEZINSKI: "Mr. Vice President -- "

BIDEN: "I don’t know what else I can say to you."

BRZEZINSKI: "Well, I’m going to try to ask many different ways. Stacey Abrams said during the Kavanaugh hearings, 'I believe women. I believe women. I believe survivors of assault should be supported, voices should be heard.' Kirsten Gillibrand tweeted, 'Do we believe women? Do we give them the opportunity to tell their story? We must be a country that says yes every time.' They now both support you. Nancy Pelosi falls into this category too, as well as many other leaders in the Democratic Party. Are women to be believed unless it pertains to you?"

BIDEN: "Look, women are to be believed, to be given the benefit of the doubt. If they come forward and say something that they said happened to them, they should start off with the presumption that they are telling the truth. Then you have to look at the circumstances and the facts. And the facts in this case do not exist. They never happened. And there are so many inconsistencies in what has been said in this case. So yes, look at the facts. And I assure you it did not happen, period, period."

BRZEZINSKI: "But why is it different now? Do you regret what you said during the Kavanaugh hearings?"

BIDEN: "What I said during the Kavanaugh hearings was that she had a right to be heard. And the fact that she came forward -- the presumption would be that she was telling the truth, unless it is proved she wasn’t telling the truth. Or not 'proved' … I’m sorry."

BRZEZINSKI: "Go ahead. As we await the records from the National Archives, are you absolutely certain, are you absolutely positive there is no record of any complaint by Tara Reade against you?"

BIDEN: "I am absolutely positive that no one I am aware of was ever made aware of any complaint, a formal complaint made by … Tara Reade against me at the time this allegedly happened 27 years ago or until I announced for president -- I guess it was in April or May of this year. I know of no one who is aware that any complaint was made."

BRZEZINSKI: "I’ve got two more questions. The first about the University of Delaware records. Do you agree with the reporting that those records were supposed to be opened to the public and then they were resealed for a longer period of time until after you leave “public life”? If you agree with that, if that’s what happened, why did that happen?"

BIDEN: "The fact is, there’s a lot of speeches I’ve made, positions I’ve taken, interviews that I did overseas with people -- all of those things related to my job. And the idea that they would all be made public … while I was running for public office, they could really be taken out of context. The papers are position papers. They are documents that existed that, for example, when I met with Putin or when I met with whomever. And all of that could be fodder in a campaign at this time, and I don’t know of anyone who has ever done anything like that. And the National Archives is the only place that would have anything to do with personnel records. There are no personnel records in the Biden papers at the university."

BRZEZINSKI: "Personnel records aside, are you certain there was nothing about Tara Reade in those records?"

BIDEN: "I am absolutely certain."

BRZEZINSKI: "If so, why not approve a search of her name in those records?"

BIDEN: "Approve a search of her name?"

BRZEZINSKI: "Yes, and reveal anything that might be related to Tara Reade in the University of Delaware records."

BIDEN: "There is nothing. They are not there. And I don’t understand the point you are trying to make. There are no personnel records by definition."

BRZEZINSKI: "The point I’m trying to make is that you are approving and calling for a search of the National Archive records -- "

BIDEN: "Yes."

BRZEZINSKI: "Of anything pertaining to Tara Reade. I’m asking why not do the same in the University of Delaware records, which have raised questions because they were supposed to be revealed to the public and then they were sealed for a longer period of time. Why not do it for both sets of records?"

BIDEN: "Because the material in the University of Delaware has no personnel files, but it does have a lot of confidential conversations I had with the president about a particular issue, that I had with heads of states of other places, that that would be something that would not be revealed while I was in public office, or while I was seeking public office. It just stands to reason. To the best of my knowledge, no one else has done that either."

BRZEZINSKI: "I’m just talking about her name, not anybody else in those records, a search for that. Nothing classified about the president or anybody else. I’m just asking why not do a search for Tara Reade’s name in the University of Delaware records?"

BIDEN: "I mean, look, who does that search?"

BRZEZINSKI: "The University of Delaware? Perhaps you set up a commission that can do it? I don’t know. Whatever is the fairest way to create the most transparency."

BIDEN: "Well, this is -- Look, Mika, she said she filed a report. She still has her employment records still. She said she refiled a report with the only office that would have a report in the United States Senate at the time. If the report was ever filed, it was filed there, period."

BRZEZINSKI: "If you could speak directly to Tara Reade about her claims or anything, what would you say?"

BIDEN: "I would -- this never, ever happened. I don’t know what is motivating her. I don’t know what is behind any of it, but it is irrelevant. It never happened. It never happened, period. I’m not going to start questioning her motive. I’m not going to get into that. I’m not going to start. I’m not going to go after Tara Reade for saying these things. It’s simple. What are the facts? Do any of the things she said, do they add up? It never happened."

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Well, Trump is having a rare moment of strategic clarity. He has over 25 assault accusations; attacking Biden over Reade would only draw attention to his crimes. Maybe he should tell his son that. As Slider_Quinn21 notes, it's a non-starter as a point of attack for the Trump campaign because no sensible person will refuse to vote for a man with one assault accusation to favour a man with two dozen and more.

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Biden has spoken, first on MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/ … 2865221937

And then in a statement posted on Medium: https://medium.com/@JoeBiden/statement- … 9593bd3012

I reserve the right to change my opinion on this at any time, but Biden has done most of what I've asked. He has spoken directly and denied the allegations. He has asked that the National Archives divulge any documentation relating to Tara Reade. He has refused to open his archives in the University of Delaware's basement, however, on the grounds that (a) they contain confidential secrets of state (b) do not contain personnel records and (c) a search for personnel records that aren't in there could create an expectation of publicizing private contents before the redactions for security and privacy have been made. This sounds reasonable to me, although I reserve the right to alter that view should new information come to light.

The university has further clarified that the documents are still being sorted and reviewed, so no search is even possible at this time.

Biden refused to elaborate on Reade's employment in his office and he conveyed his reasons for that as well. He is refusing to characterize Reade in any way; he has declared that he will not pursue any action against her whether legal or in the court of public opinion other than to say that he did not assault her. In doing so, Biden has ensured that nothing he says to deny the allegations can serve to harm other female accusers, something he is clearly keen to avoid.

MSNBC fixated on demanding that Biden explain how he can say that women should be believed and then say that Reade is lying. Biden replied that women should be presumed to be telling the truth at the outset and then their claims must be evaluated. The fixation on rhetoric is relevant but not particularly informative when it comes to facts. Biden refused to speculate on Reade's motives or goals. However, he did state that he does not have nondisclosure agreements with anyone. This is significant as many wealthy sexual predators buy silence from their victims in this manner.

Watching Biden speak, I saw what he would not express -- anger and hurt and grief. I could see fury in his eyes that he would contain with a breath and with silence, not wanting to voice contempt or disdain that could make any female accuser think she'd be similarly silenced, instead emphasizing that Tara Reade has the right to say whatever she wants just as Joe Biden has the right to say it isn't true.

It was a very fine line of refuting the allegation while insisting that women should be heard when they make such allegations and I can see why it took so long for Biden to decide how he wanted to respond to this. There was a muted, quiet astonishment in his face in moments, a shock that someone would accuse him of attacking them physically matched with a grim awareness of what those motives could be -- attention, a smear campaign plotted by a foreign power, a mental illness that has chosen him as its target -- and then a refusal to state those suspicions as they would be (a) speculative and (b) demeaning to women with genuine allegations.

Look, I don't read people perfectly or even well; I've had to buy books on facial expressions. But I said what Biden had to do to win my trust back and he's done 3/4 of it. The 1/4 he didn't do -- a full account of his encounters with Reade -- he's given his reasons for why he won't divulge that outside of agreeing to provide whatever paperwork he has. But Biden has refused to express hostility, refused to try to silence Reade, agreed to divulge his papers relating to Reade, explained why he won't open up the Delaware-housed documents, controlled his anger and outrage -- so for now -- FOR NOW -- I believe Joe Biden and I believe in him.

And I know how very important it is to Grandpop that a Canadian who can't vote for him is on his side.

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A former Detroit prosecutor wrote an op-ed saying that Reade's story has a lot of points of suspicion. In addition to all her doubtful claims (that sexual assault wasn't understood in 1993, that Biden would rape her in a public hallway), obvious mental illness (her infatuation with a brutal dictator), penchant for contradictory lies (saying her self-posted Putin essays were taken out of context from a novel she was writing and also not written by her at all), her mother describing her child's supposed rapist as a figure of "respect" for whom the only recourse was "the press," Michael J. Stern points out:

Her story has changed, saying that Biden touched her non-sexually but intrusively to saying he raped her -- and her reasoning is that reporters weren't interested in her reporting rape which seems unlikely given how every reporter wants a scoop.

Her documents are missing: despite claiming she made a formal complaint, she has no copy of it for herself -- yet she kept her employment records outside of this complaint which leaves me wondering if this complaint even exists.

Her story doesn't come with a date; she says she can't remember when it happened -- but it also means that Biden can't use his 1993 calendar to prove himself elsewhere.

Her claim for why she was fired has changed, first saying she was dismissed for refusing to serve drinks; then saying she was fired for filing a complaint. This is not a trivial discrepancy.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ … 046962001/

Michael Stern doesn't believe Reade. And I think Reade's story is suspicious and it's possible the Biden campaign wanted to let the story fade out based on how Reade's story and Reade herself are incoherent (my Putin fan fiction that I posted myself was taken out of context from a novel I was writing and also I didn't write it I was hacked). She seems like an erratic liar.

But she might also be erratic because she was sexually traumatized and it isn't Michael Stern's job to defend Joe Biden; that's Joe Biden's job.

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https://deadline.com/2020/04/joe-biden- … 202922618/

Biden will speak on Friday and respond to the accusation.

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I really like and appreciate Cathy Young's writing. But at the end of the day, women suffer so much for accusing perpetrators of rape. There is no upside to doing so which makes false accusations unlikely unless the accuser is mentally ill and delusional and prone to fraud and falsehoods and unable to distinguish fantasy from reality and perpetually altering their accounts of past events or potentially hired by Russia -- all of which seems possible given Reade's online behaviour from her Putin fetish to her revisions to her accounts of Biden's behaviour to her claims that her pro-Russia screeds were taken out of context when she posted them online or written by hackers using her accounts.

But we should believe women anyway until given reason not to and it is entirely Biden's responsibility to furnish those reasons for us with his own memories and documents.

Thus far, he has not. The officially unofficial word from inside Biden's campaign: he hasn't responded to Tara Reade's accusations yet because he is unwilling to speak poorly of her. He feels that saying that she is lying would also call any woman reporting assault to be a liar. That is not something he wants to do. But he is aware that he will have to eventually respond to the accusations directly.

Grizzlor wrote:
ireactions wrote:

But in terms of the rollback -- Torme told me in 2000 that he wanted to roll the show back to "The Guardian" with his "Slide Effects" script. But when writing it in 2011, I picked "As Time Goes By" because I feel that once SLIDERS left Vancouver, it lost its visual identity. It lost the indie-film look of the show. It lost the washed out, grounded, gray tone of Vancouver as San Francisco. It lost the fiction of being set in San Francisco.

Interesting, didn't know/remember Tracy making that statement.  I'm sure he's including The Guardian because he wrote it, but I'd be fine with that.  As I said, you retain all of his original mysteries by around that point.

Well, in 2000 over AOL Instant Messenger, I asked Torme: how would he resolve the cliffhanger of "The Seer"? Torme said that he hadn't seen it and would prefer not knowing anything about it because he was sure it would only make him depressed and angry. But that if he had to follow up on it, he would use a story he'd come up with before he quit the show with Season 3. His idea was a Kromagg story that would be "surreal and trippy" where Quinn would wake up to find himself home with time rewound back to the Pilot and only Quinn remembering sliding.

He would encounter doubles of characters he'd met during Seasons 1 - 2 and Logan from Season 3 at which point he'd realize that sliding was real. The situation would be revealed as a Kromagg trick, and Torme said that to address "The Seer" without having to watch it, he'd declare that any episode after "The Guardian" to be part of the Kromagg scenario. Torme explained that "The Guardian" was his favourite episode of the series and the last one he was happy with, calling "Double Cross" and "Dead Man Sliding" out as "very mediocre."

So, that's how he'd answer your poll, but when writing his Post-It of a story idea into a script, I elected to make the cutoff point the Season 2 finale. That way, while the "Slide Effects" script ends with the sliders still lost in the multiverse, the Kromagg tracking device has been destroyed and Logan isn't pursuing them and the Professor isn't dying of a terminal illness. Also, as far as Torme was concerned, "Invasion" happened before "Post Traumatic Slide Syndrome" and Arturo had the Kromagg tracking device but was stranded on the Azure Gate Bridge world -- which isn't reflected in the actual airdates as "Invasion" aired after PTTS. My "Slide Effects" script uses the original broadcast order and says that Quinn had the implant, another divergence from Torme's intentions.

Later, Torme proposed but did not complete a screenplay for EP.COM. He sent an outline called "The Long Slide Home" which opens with Quinn and the Professor removing Logan St. Clair's whispering gallery system from the geographic spectrum stabilizer and restoring Quinn's original laser gyro system to put their slides back in the San Francisco area, so even in his fanfic, he wanted to integrate "Double Cross" into his selective continuity.

Torme also stated, interestingly, that he intended to gift his script to both Transmodiar AND Temporal Flux and they could feature it on their respective sites as they saw fit. Unfortunately, due to professional obligations, he never finished it.

Also, Torme came up with his Kromagg story that revisits the Pilot before he gave up on Season 3, before John was fired and before Seasons 4 - 5. However, when asked how he would fix his show, his "Invasion" sequel was the story he put forward to roll back the continuity of the series. And when he was asked to where he'd roll it back, he picked "The Guardian."

Grizzlor wrote:

Geez, a complete reboot was not one of the choices!!  Ha ha, I posted this poll because I've been rewatching on Comet TV.  At first, I figured everything after Vancouver ought to go.  However, Season 3, granted full of movie rip-offs, was not that bad, prior to The Exodus.

Oh, stuff it. Your thread's getting activity and responses. You'll take what you're given! ;-)

Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

Is Jerry instrumental in getting it done?  If so, I think Jerry is going to want to star in it.  He's going to want to be Quinn.  Making him Quinn's dad wouldn't be enough for him.

And Jerry can stuff it too! He's lucky to be allowed to eat at the crafts services table. His film career was a joke. His daytime TV ambitions have been a wash. He couldn't even get THE MUNSTERS to series. His big TV show, CARTER, produces 10 episodes a year. If he's allowed to play Michael Mallory for a few months of mortgage payments for a few days of work, he'll take it. He's learned not to be a diva and accepted his self-made lot as a working class TV actor.

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But in terms of the rollback -- Torme told me in 2000 that he wanted to roll the show back to "The Guardian" with his "Slide Effects" script. But when writing it in 2011, I picked "As Time Goes By" because I feel that once SLIDERS left Vancouver, it lost its visual identity. It lost the indie-film look of the show. It lost the washed out, grounded, gray tone of Vancouver as San Francisco. It lost the fiction of being set in San Francisco.

It lost the Temporal Flux branded production approach "travel light" where Quinn's basement was the chalkboard and coils in a storage locker that could be unpacked to make any bare studio space The Basement which could then be swapped out for pews and a stage to be a church or benches to be a courtroom or beds and false windows to make a motel or racks and registers to be Doppler Computers. Instead, production tied up its money in The Cave and The Chandler. If I were going to roll SLIDERS back to anywhere, it'd be "As Time Goes By" -- but I don't think it helps us much because SLIDERS should satirize and explore TODAY -- not 1996.

Slider_Quinn21 once remarked that "As Time Goes By" has the sliders separated, unable to reach each other with their non-existent cell phones and buying paper newspapers out of a box. The past has become another country and I have lost the ability to say anything that Temporal Flux, Slider_Quinn21 and Transmodiar didn't say first.

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A lot of people think Biden is experiencing cognitive decline. But another possibility: Biden as a child suffered from a stutter. In adolescence, Biden learned various techniques to manage, control and isolate his speech difficulties. But in controlling his stutter, he seemed to cede control in other areas.

Throughout his career, Biden has been described as a "gaffe machine" and throughout his time with Obama, Biden blabbered and babbled, often making potentially costly errors of impulsivity. He encouraged Senator Chuck Graham, a stranger to him, to stand up at a rally, only to realize upon closer view that Senator Graham was in a wheelchair. Biden apologized and asked the audience to stand for Graham, a brilliant self-correction. He also dropped F-bombs into live mics, neglected to thank the individuals he quoted in speeches (which made it plagiarism), and now it looks like in Biden's advancing years, the methods that once mastered his stutter have led to often garbled, confused statements and he's now he's trying to control it with retraint.

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... why isn't Biden responding to the Reade allegations? The worst possibility -- and I hope it isn't the case -- is that it's true and Biden is hoping to stonewall. Or could the Biden campaign be trying to investigate Reade's ties to Russia and lying in wait to reveal something?

However, the Biden campaign has also presented talking points to Democrats for responding to questions about Reade and the talking points, while emphasizing Biden's support for women, falsely declare that the New York Times article cleared Biden. That's simply not true; it was inconclusive, yet Biden has commanded his surrogates and potential vice presidents to misrepresent the Times investigation as proving Reade's claims false. They're trying to starve the story of any further news coverage and let it die out by not feeding it any more information. Why?

Assuming innocence -- could it be that Biden doesn't remember Tara Reade? And can't offer any answers? And saying that he has no memory of her would only allow further claims to fill in the gap of information with the worst of speculations? The other possibility is that while Biden didn't rape Reade, he touched her legs, shoulder and neck, rubbed noses with her, smelled her hair and confessing to that paves the way to the public assuming he did the rest and so he's sealed that off.

This is something I've seen people do in this forum: I said that Biden had only one accusation of assault and a poster provided a lengthy list of names of other Biden accusers -- except those women were not alleging assault. Touching someone intrusively on the shoulder / arm / leg / neck / face is not the same as raping someone. Neither is acceptable, but intrusive touching can be poor social calibration, ignorance, outdated views of women -- which can be corrected with understanding and empathy. Raping someone is an act of violence and willful harm meant specifically to injure and damage.

One of my favourite TV shows, CHUCK, has lengthy comedy scenes of two Best Buy salesmen sexually harassing women and being met with slaps to the face and other well-deserved punishment. At the time, I thought it was funny and acceptable because the men always got their comeuppance. Watching it today, I am deeply disturbed that CHUCK never devotes any screentime to how the women must feel to be groped, tricked, leered at and surveilled and assumes that their putting a fist into their harasser's faces is sufficient. I've met a lot of women since I first saw CHUCK and listened.

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Slate.com had an interesting perspective: that we need not support Joe Biden because we think him the living embodiment of our standards and values. Instead, it suggests that those of us with reservations about Biden view him not as our ally but as our chosen enemy -- with the perspective that someone in authority will always stand in the way of Medicare For All, repairing the damage to our planet, universal basic income -- and a presidential election is a chance to choose whether we want that person standing in the way to be a deranged lunatic or someone who can be swayed by reason and knowledge.

Slate.com wrote:

No one candidate will ever be a perfect leader in any movement’s eyes. Activists accept they’ll have to put political pressure on—and occasionally argue with—whoever wins the election.

The question, for them, is which elected official they’d rather be up against, considering the respective communities the candidates are beholden to and their respective abilities to be swayed. Would Ocasio-Cortez rather push Trump to halt deportations, or Biden? Would #MeToo activists rather mobilize for sexual harassment legislation under a Trump administration, or a Biden one? It’s not about accepting a lesser of two evils. It’s about choosing an opponent.

The choosing-an-opponent framework doesn’t require any moral concessions or wavering on values, because there’s no wholesale acceptance involved. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 … -2020.html

Can we do that? Vote Biden! He only wants to do one term anyway and it'll be easier to get Andrew Yang in 2024.

Continuing with the reboot-recast-continuation mode -- something TF said that really hit home with me is how a legally dissimilar show about parallel universes could never replace SLIDERS. And he's right: the willful differences would remove SLIDERS' strengths (even if this legally dissimilar production would have its own merits).

The appeal of SLIDERS to me is the characters (and yes, the actors) who are perfectly suited to each other in their contrasts. You have youth in Quinn and Wade and age in Rembrandt and Arturo. You have revolution in Quinn and Wade and conservatism in Rembrandt and Arturo. You have science in Quinn and Arturo and art in Rembrandt and Wade. You have academics in Quinn and Arturo and blue collar workers in Wade and Rembrandt. You have mathematical brilliance in Quinn and Arturo and emotional genius in Wade and Rembrandt. And what makes SLIDERS function best is that each episode is set in its own continuity of a separate parallel universe. You have the versatility of an anthology with the intense relatability of the characters; every demographic is addressed by at least ONE of the four sliders.

So, in a reboot, I'd like to see Quinn and Wade as teenagers and I don't mean as RIVERDALE teenagers but as the teenagers who play children on Disney shows like GIRL MEETS WORLD and LIV AND MADDIE -- and we could have a Rembrandt and Arturo played by actors in their 50s. I think an even larger age gap between Quinn & Wade and Rembrandt & Arturo would emphasize the strengths of the show and the specific strengths that cannot be imitated by any other parallel universe show that would have to file off the serial numbers.

Also important and legally distinct: the sliders are not agents of a government organization or employed by some tech conglomerate or some black ops force. They are essentially four misfits thrown together by circumstance, essentially four homeless people, so I would also emphasize that further: Quinn is a homeless kid who assembled a makeshift lab in a Doppler storage locker and sleeps in the staff lounge and Wade is a juvenile delinquent on probation for shoplifting whereas Rembrandt and Arturo are more stable adults (but not that much more stable).

So, ideally, a reboot would focus on all the things that make SLIDERS so distinct that any other show attempting to do the same would be sued for infringement. From a scripting standpoint, I think a rebooted SLIDERS should do remakes of the existing episodes but updated accordingly. A world where the Russians won the Cold War can be adjusted to the Russians having co-opted American elections and covertly controlling America. A world where the Summer of Love never ended can delve into drug culture gone out of control like Jerry O'Connell's "Narcotica" comic. Versions of "Please Press One" and "Map of the Mind" that are actually good.

And we could still have the rebooted cast meet the original cast to establish that the new actors are playing younger versions of the originals like STAR TREK (2009).

I'd like to see different genres in the show. Originally, the show had a very tight formula of the sliders entering a dystopian world, saddling up with the local resistance, toppling the dominate regime and leaving. I'd love to see that again, but I'd also like to see the office comedy episode, the mumblecore episode, the cyberpunk episode, the mockmentary episode, the reality TV episode, the superhero episode, the crime procedural episode, the romcom episode, the game show episode, the bedroom farce episode, the filmed-live episode, the found footage episode and constantly be unsure as to what SLIDERS is going to be each week.

And I think TF has really hit on something. What could a SLIDERS reboot do that no other show could without Torme and Weiss' lawyers going after it?

I'm sorry. I was confused. I thought you were selling it as I thought you'd previously communicated that you had scripts.

I don't know that the work was pressing, but it was a matter of either paying some money to repair the car between now to 12 months from now or buying a new car entirely in 2 - 3 years' time. (Urgent, important information!)

I can understand the joy and thrill that someone might feel if they were to hold a shooting script that Cleavant Derricks himself held on the Vancouver set. I can appreciate the thrill that someone could feel to hold a Motorola timer. And I suspect that Temporal Flux may experience similar things, but that his pursuit of SLIDERS artifacts and treasures may have had more to do with connecting to the people who acquired these items in the course of their work on the show and could offer not only more items but insight, experience, anecdotes and other information.

I personally don't relate to that, but I respect it. In university, I tracked down first American printings of the HARRY POTTER series, held the handcovers and their beautiful jackets in my hand -- and it meant nothing. I didn't care about the exterior or the weight. I liked the stories. So I donated my mint copies to a children's library and stepped back from collecting anything. As a STAR TREK fan, my happiest possession is not an artifact of any kind -- it's a paperback of THE RETURN, a novel by William Shatner in which the deceased Captain Kirk is resurrected for a 10 novel series of adventures.

Anyway. I am happy that JWSlider3 made $400 and I am glad that someone out there acquired something that they must have really wanted very much indeed and I am pleased that the passenger side of my car has had all the rust removed and been repainted to protect the structural integrity of my vehicle for years to come.