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Liberal propaganda from Salon regarding the desperation Donald Trump feels as he nears his doomed election:
https://www.salon.com/2020/08/02/donald … or-a-bang/

Look, that's fine. However, I think that there is a certain level of magical thinking in assuming that voter suppression isn't going to be a huge problem. The US Postal Service is being curtailed severely by a Trump appointee. Mail-in ballots could be declared to be stricken from the count if they arrive late assuming they even reach voters in time to be mailed back. Poll workers are in short supply; people could be too drained or unwilling to risk their health to withstand 12 - 18 hour lineups to vote in person. Those armed lunatics marching around Michigan ignored by police more concerned with unarmed black people may reassemble to intimidate voters of colour.

Slider_Quinn21 says that voter suppression works both ways. Grizzlor says that voter suppression is useless against Biden's enormous lead which would explain why Trump is flailing; he knows his tactics won't win him the White House this time. But I'm nervous about it. Barack Obama is nervous about it, saying voter suppression has been keeping him up at night. Joe Biden is nervous about it, having hired a team of 600 lawyers to battle for voter rights. But Donald Trump is clearly nervous about it too because he thinks he is losing.

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A paywalled Washington Post article explains: Biden's 600 lawyers are working specifically on the issue of mail-in ballots being postmarked before or on the election day but arriving after the election day -- which, by US law, renders them inadmissible to be counted. And late arrival is a likely outcome with USPS' service issues. Biden's attorneys are trying to challenge the laws to allow ballots that are postmarked on time but arrive late to be included.

It looks like an uphill battle to me.

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Now this is interesting. A bipartisan group, the Transition Integrity Project, has been enacting November 2020 war games, gaming out through roleplay: what are all the possible outcomes of the election? What actions might Trump take? What are the worst-case scenarios? The war games are quite disturbing, although TIP insists that the point of the exercise is to raise the worst case and try to mitigate or prepare to it, not to present predictions.

Please note that all these are hypotheticals.

This 80 person team roleplayed as Republicans and Democrats, as Trump and Biden, and played out scenarios where Biden won big or small, where Trump did the same -- and in every scenario, disaster was the end result no matter who won the election.

In the simulations, Trump's voter suppression tactics were made with the full force of his governmental powers: he attempted to stop the count of mail-in ballots, tried to seize them with a William Barr-backed force of federal agents, closed post offices to prevent delivery -- and in every scenario, both campaign teams attempted to convince each state to send rival electors citing voter suppression or fraud with Biden, in some of these war games, refusing to concede a loss due to the incomplete count.

In every case, the Biden team was reluctant and hesitant in action while the Trump team had no scruples in using military and other armed forces to secure the election in their favour. The Biden team were perpetually helpless in the face of a president who was willing to ignore the law and who, in every gaming situation, acted first to steal the election. The courts offered slow and ineffective responses to Trump trying to stop votes from being counted by force and seizure.

In numerous instances, the Trump team contested the results in individual states, leading to Congress determining where electoral votes would go and voting on party lines.

Every simulation led to political impasse and violence in the streets with armed militias claiming the election was being stolen from their hero and antifa marching for Democrats. December 14 was Trump's last date in these scenarios to alter the results.

In multiple outcomes, Trump's suppression tactics failed and Biden won the White House. But between November and January, the outgoing Trump team enacted a policy of scorched Earth: actively pardoning Trump and his family and staff for all crimes, sabotaging the census to benefit Republicans in 2022 and 2024, refusing all cooperation with the Biden transition team, deliberately deepening the pandemic and economic crisis to hobble recovery in 2021, funneling public funds to Trump businesses and doing everything possible to cripple the incoming president.

Podcast
https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2020/07/28 … p-scenario

Summaries of the Simulations
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi … ng/614842/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions … ts-he-won/

Rosa Brooks, group organizer wrote:

I think the exercises led to some important insights, one being that forewarned is forearmed; in all our exercises, events unfolded very quickly in the days after the election, and those who had thought in advance about the 'what ifs' were better positioned to succeed than those who had not.

Max Boot, participant wrote:

I was on Team Trump and, needless to say, we did not concede defeat. Instead, we went to work, ruthlessly and unscrupulously, utilizing every ounce of power at our disposal, to secure the 10 electoral college votes to swing the election. We focused our attention on three of the swing states that Biden won in our scenario — Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania — because, in all three, Republicans control both branches of the legislature. Normally, the governor certifies the election results, and in all three states the governor is a Democrat. But there is nothing to prevent the legislature from certifying a different election outcome.

Trump got himself impeached by trying to blackmail a foreign country into helping his reelection campaign. He will stop at nothing to avoid the stigma of being branded a “loser.” Unless Biden wins by an electoral college margin that no one can credibly dispute, our democracy may be imperiled as never before. We had better start thinking now about how we would handle such an electoral crisis.

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Well, I think some of that is certainly possible, but I think we're allowing our nightmares to get the best of us.  We have to remember a couple of things that would drastically harm Trump's ability to do certain things:

1. If Trump is out, Republicans cannot help him scorch the Earth.  He may be leaving, but they aren't.  If Trump is setting fire to the Lincoln Bedroom and forcing himself to be carried out by the secret service or puts tanks in front of polling places, the Republicans will have to live with those images for decades.  It would put nearly every Republican politician in danger for the near future because it wouldn't just represent Trump - it would represent *them*.  I think that's part of the reason why Gore and Hillary didn't put up more of a fight than they did - it would reflect poorly on Democrats to do so.  So while, yes, Trump himself could potentially throw a fit, he wouldn't get support from anyone that wants to be in politics in 2021 and beyond.

That also might include his children.  If Ivanka or Don Jr. or Eric Trump want to be in politics, they can't be involved with a guy who threw the world's biggest hissy fit.  Same with Jared Kushner.  Trump can throw a temper tantrum, but it would tarnish the Trump name forever.  There's a really good chance that Trump's too narcissistic to care about his kids, but if they're fighting on it (because, again, they might want to have lives in the United States going forward), then it makes it harder.

Also remember that Trump's approval rating is hovering around 40%.  I think we like to think of Trump's MAGA people as all being indoctrinated wackos who worship him, but that number isn't anywhere near that 40%.  People support Trump because he's good for the economy or whatever - and setting fire to the country on his way out isn't going to be good for the economy.  Yes, you'd absolutely get white supremacists and evangelicals marching on behalf of Trump, but how many people is that in reality?

2. Trump's own incompetence.  People see Trump as this dictator figure who will pull off a suppression campaign with military precision.  But look at his presidency and tell me where he's shown any ability to pull that off.  He had a chance to do it in 2018 as a trial run, and the Republicans lost big.  His government, despite having control of the House and Senate for the first two years of his presidency, passed nothing.  He didn't repeal or replace Obamacare.  He didn't build a beautiful wall and Mexico didn't pay for it.  And even though it would've benefited him in every way to deal with the pandemic effectively, he botched that too.

Even when you look at his criminal enterprises, he's inefficient and sloppy.  He didn't win on Russia and Ukraine because the Democrats couldn't prove it - he won on technicalities.  He's winning on tax returns because of technicalities.

Trump doesn't know what he's doing and the people around him don't know what they're doing.  Trump might actively want to send the military to polling places, but he's just as likely to send them to the wrong polling locations or the wrong states entirely.  Nothing he's done so far has indicated that anyone in his administration is capable of pulling off a successful voter suppression organization, especially if he's lost support from the party.  And with the electoral map looking the way it is, he'll need to pull off something that he's just not capable of pulling off in my opinion.

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All that being said, Biden's team needs to keep up enthusiasm and do everything in his power to get people out voting early and voting in person.  There's plenty of time to organize efforts at a community level.  If people need to plan ahead, they can plan ahead.  How people can find time between the opening of early voting and the close of it.  How people can get their mail in ballots in quickly and efficiently.  There's tons of time to be working out kinks, and they know the Republican playbook.

With the map the way it is, if Trump is able to pull off a suppression campaign and win, Biden is going to have plenty of share of the blame because there's ways around everything Trump would try.

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You know what would be hilarious?  If Biden’s Mr. Magoo routine was all an act; and then in the first debate, he jumps like a lion.  Some commentators just now made me think about it - they said the bar has been set so low that Biden wouldn’t have to do much to seem okay.  Imagine if he instead jumped in and started tearing his opponent apart.

There’s a decent story in that thought - fiction or non-fiction.

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Slider_Quinn21 is right. All the war game simulations where Trump exploited his presidential powers had the person roleplaying as Trump performing with the utmost competence and implacable drive matched with ruthless planning and decisiveness. But Trump is incompetent, distractable, unstrategic and indecisive: he got himself impeached in his frantic fear of Joe Biden, he couldn't respond to the pandemic effectively because it required focus and interest in something other than TV ratings, he asserts political powers he doesn't have and with three months before early voting begins, he no ideas to rebuild his broken country.

He could try to secure the ballot boxes, but he'll leave it too late or telegraph too early. He doesn't understand the electoral system well enough to manipulate it outside of sulkily insisting he won and he won't listen to people who do. He is defined by his hapless ineptitude and he has never been able to prepare and execute a plan of any kind even when someone else plans it for him. His plan was to lose in 2016, after all.

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I don't think Biden's weirdly ineffectual performance in the Democratic debates was an act, and I'm sure no one thinks that. But after Biden won the Democratic nomination and Obama endorsed him, joined his campaign and began coaching him. Suddenly, Biden's performance shifted so severely that he seems like a different person.

Obama has clearly been working with Biden, helping him on keeping his answers short, to the point, encouraging and positive and adjusting his approach to use his current level of ability rather than his faded improvisational skills. Obama has also clearly been working with Biden on his anger issues, having him show anger in a forceful but measured fashion rather than an out of control rant towards a college kid or an auto worker. These are all the techniques that Obama used in his debate performances and when working with or around Congress, and now they're Biden's techniques.

I think this Obama-coached Biden could certainly jump like a lion on Trump.

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This probably fits in this thread; Dubya even gets a passing mention in the responses.

Jerry O’Connell in the hot seat on stepping up for Ellen DeGeneres:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrJerryOC/st … 5951516672

I don’t know enough about the situation to form an opinion, but I do admire people who stand up for what they believe even when it isn’t popular.

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Slider_Quinn21! This is Trump's plot! Oh my God, how can we stop it?

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 … a=taps_top

... how do you fight the post office?

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I could Biden see whooping Trump's ass literally, no holds barred.

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TemporalFlux wrote:

This probably fits in this thread; Dubya even gets a passing mention in the responses.

Jerry O’Connell in the hot seat on stepping up for Ellen DeGeneres:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrJerryOC/st … 5951516672

I don’t know enough about the situation to form an opinion, but I do admire people who stand up for what they believe even when it isn’t popular.

I've never missed an opportunity to take a shot at Jerry O'Connell, but right now, I can't. The post office, man! We have real problems here! Slider_Quinn21! I demand your positive predictions right now!

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ireactions wrote:

Slider_Quinn21! This is Trump's plot! Oh my God, how can we stop it?

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 … a=taps_top

... how do you fight the post office?

I think that's plausible, but two things give me pause about it.  The first is that everyone assumes Trump does better than the polls think he will.  The story assumes that Trump is winning those three states before mail-in balloting - which somehow assumes that the entire difference in polling (6+ points in all three states) is made up of Democrats who will mail in their ballots.

But why are we assuming that only democrats will mail-in vote?

Republicans don't hate mail-in votes.  The story even says so.  Trump mailed in his vote.  Rich white conservatives aren't going to want to drive to a polling place in the pandemic either.  Mail-in voting is hated by Trump, but it's supported by everyone else.  So I don't see any reason to believe that mail-in votes would be much different from the rest of the votes.  They should be ~50% Biden and ~44% for Trump.

The second is the math, again.  Trump's margin of victory is *so small* - I went to 270 to win and did their default map.  Then I gave Trump those three states - Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.  He's barely ahead in Ohio so you give him that.  Even with all that, the election is essentially tied (233-232 Trump) with Arizona (Biden +3.7), Georgia (Trump +0.7), Florida (Biden +5.8), and North Carolina (Biden +2.1).  Trump would need to win 3 of those 4 states to get to 270.  And that's even in the mail-in theft scenario.

When you look at it that way, it's not a super plausible scenario.  It's a fear piece.  Now they're right if things fall exactly the way they think and things fall the way they did in 2016 and democrats are the majority of people who mail in their votes then sure.  But I think Georgia is up for grabs.  I think *Texas* is up for grabs.  I think Florida is becoming a lost cause.  I think Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin are in the same boat.  All the doomsday scenarios are dependent on a close race, but this doesn't seem like it's a close race at the moment.

Yes, the race could tighten.  Yes things could change.  But on August 4, I don't think Trump's close enough for any of the "steal the election" scenarios unless he's directly changing votes.  And like we've seen, I don't think Trump is capable of pulling that off.  Sideshow Bob couldn't, and he's way smarter than Trump smile

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That was very comforting.

And here is a floundering, flailing interview with Trump falling apart when an Australian reporter asked him basic follow-up questions about why Trump thinks he can spin the death toll as a positive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaaTZkq … e=youtu.be

Joe Biden wrote:

I can hardly wait to have my cognitive ability compared to the cognitive ability of the man I'm running against.

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That interview may have been the worst I've ever seen involving a Presidential candidate.  So many awful moments.  Continues to wish Epstein's madam "well," even citing her boyfriend (Epstein) died in jail.  Lunacy.  Went on to describe CV death toll as "it is what it is." 

Today he couldn't pronounce Yosemite.

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/stat … 4762556416

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How to beat the post office:

By the way, one of the Republican campaigns that appears to be defying Trump's war on absentee ballots is — yes! — Trump's own campaign. In fact, his operation sent out at least one email to Pennsylvania supporters urging them to get their evil absentee ballots in time for the primary election. The email even promoted a Trump-branded web page meant to assist voters with the process. No wonder the Red Hats are going indiscriminately bonkers these days, given the whiplash-inducing mixed messages. Nevertheless, it might be too late for Republican voters, at least the ones who believe every word belched by their mendacious clown dictator.

As for the rest of us, the only way to overcome DeJoy and Trump's malfeasance is to get your absentee ballots and mail them right away as soon as early voting begins, state by state. The sooner ballots are in the hands of your county board of elections, the more likely they'll be counted before Donald Trump's lawyers step in. We're not powerless here. Trump can't stop you from voting unless you wait until the last minute. Don't. The mail may be crippled by Trump's cheating and conniving, but we don't have to be caught in his trap. Not this time.

https://www.salon.com/2020/08/04/destro … -election/

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Trump made a big stink about the Kodak deal, but it's now under (Shocking) SEC investigation, and he said "I wasn't involved in the deal."

Apparently Trump now 100% fine with mail in voting in Florida.  Why is it okay to have mail-in voting in Florida and not elsewhere? Trump: "Florida has a great Republican governor..."

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How to beat the post office: https://lifehacker.com/how-to-make-sure … 1844606441

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Biden has an average 6.2 point lead in Florida. Somebody's scared.

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If I were on the Biden team, I'd be doing everything I could to get people out to vote in person and early.  I don't know if if's the case everywhere, but I've voted early in every presidential election (disclaimer: I'm white).  And I'm fairly sure that, at least where I live, you can essentially vote wherever you want when you're early vote.  I've never been in a line, and I usually go after work.  So if the Biden team can send volunteers to certain places to a) make sure everything is as clean and organized as possible and 2) they get people in and out as quickly as possible.

If Trump's going to go after mail-in voting, Biden should make sure mail-in voting is as good as possible, but I'd also make sure that as few people as possible are mail-in voting.

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It always pissed me off that Informant would whitewash Trump's obvious racism, delusions and stupidity, Informant going so far to insist that what Trump described as a Muslim ban was not a Muslim ban, Informant insisting Trump had huge crowds at his inauguration. I think you have to be a truly sick and troubled mind to be incapable of seeing that your chosen standard bearer is incompetent

On the subject of incompetence: Joe Biden has been making gaffes. He has been gaffing hard. It's like Barack Obama took a week off coaching him and Biden has staggered back into his Mr. Magoo persona.

In a small gaffe on July 28, Biden welcomed reporters to the Kingswood Community Center in Wilmington, Delaware where he was delivering his speech on the Biden campaign's Build Back Better plan. Biden then remarked that he was joking; they weren't actually at Kingswood, which was a different community center, one at which he used to volunteer. He confessed that he didn't know where he was, looked down at his notes, and welcomed everyone to the William Hicks Anderson Community Center and moved on.

To an internet audience unfamiliar with the names of Wilmington community centers and to whom it made no difference, this was irrelevant and Biden dismissed it gracefully. I myself have been to four different community centers recently to drop off some donations; I couldn't name any of them. Musicians onstage will often greet the wrong city during a tour, Barack Obama mistakenly referred to Monroe, Oklahoma as Moore when promising post-Tornado aid. Biden didn't make a scene and only a few isolated news outlets seized upon it.

Then we have his two latest gaffes: interviewed by the National Association of Black Journalists and the National Association of Hispanic Journalists, Biden was asked if he'd taken a cognitive test. Biden responded with irritation to the reporter, "No, I haven't taken a test. Why the hell would I take a test? Come on, man. That's like saying to you, before you got on this program if you had taken a test were you taking cocaine or not. What do you think, huh? Are you a junkie?" https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/0 … est-391771

It's very strange that Biden, when asked this question at the end of June, had a much more capable answer: "Look, all you've got to do is watch me. And I can hardly wait to compare my cognitive capability to the cognitive capability of the man I'm running against." At the end of June, Biden showed irritation, took a moment to convey that annoyance silently -- and then responded in a forceful but controlled tone. He showed that while he was displeased, he was in control of himself and in control of the situation and his answer to the question.

This is an Obama technique that he demonstrated in 2009 when, during a speech to Congress about Obamacare where he asserted that it wouldn't cover illegal immigrants, Representative Joe Wilson shrieked, "You lie!" at Obama. Obama paused, looked sternly at Wilson and replied firmly, "That's not true."

Biden has failed to use a technique that he was able to use a month ago. When asked again about cognitive decline in recent days, Biden answered with an improvised expression of annoyance, a garbled comparison and a retort against the interviewer. Biden came off as defensive, irritable and unreasonable; cognitive decline is something any man in his 70s should be tested for. Rather than coming off as in control and confident, Biden's riposte drew attention to the issue and conveyed haphazard clumsiness and awkwardness.

From this same interview session, Biden seemed to say that Latinos were an extremely diverse culture while black people were all the same. Asked how he would engage with Latinos, Biden said: "Unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly diverse attitudes about different things. You go to Florida, you find a very different attitude about immigration than you do in Arizona. So it's a very diverse community."

The Biden campaign later tried to clarify that Biden was referring to Latinos having diverse opinions from diverse countries of origin. But shortly after their clarification, Biden said in an online conference with the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials: "We can build a new administration that reflects the full diversity of our nation. The full diversity of the Latino communities. Now when I mean full diversity, unlike African American community, many other communities, you're from everywhere. From Europe. From the tip of South America, all the way to our border and Mexico and in the Caribbean. And different backgrounds, different ethnicities, but all Latinos" -- again, declaring (intentionally or not) that Latinos are all different but black people are all the same. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/0 … ark-392354

It's awkward. It's clumsy. It's bad. I assume Obama had a bad taco or something and hasn't been able to coach his former VP lately.

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Biden has apologized for his racist comments. https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1291540507416559617

Grandpa, here's a suggestion: be sorry before you say these things. Then don't say them.

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Transmodiar says that Biden is senile. But looking at his polished performance last month and his meandering incompetence this month -- it looks to me like his stutter is tripping him up. He needs to come up with a new technique to manage it that suits his advanced years and the loss of the improvisational wit he had when sparring with Sarah Palin, Rudy Giuliani and Paul Ryan.

The Atlantic wrote:

A stutter does not get worse as a person ages, but trying to keep it at bay can take immense physical and mental energy. Biden talks all day to audiences both small and large.

In addition to periodically stuttering or blocking on certain sounds, he appears to intentionally not stutter by switching to an alternative word—a technique called “circumlocution”—which can yield mangled syntax.

I’ve been following practically everything he’s said for months now, and sometimes what is quickly characterized as a memory lapse is indeed a stutter. As Eric Jackson, the speech pathologist, pointed out to me, during a town hall in August Biden briefly blocked on Obama, before quickly subbing in my boss. The headlines after the event? “Biden Forgets Obama’s Name.”

Other times when Biden fudges a detail or loses his train of thought, it seems unrelated to stuttering, like he’s just making a mistake. The kind of mistake other candidates make too, though less frequently than he does.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar … le/602401/

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First of all, his statement wasn't racist.  Blunt and dumb, but wasn't racist.  Secondly, Trump tried to seize on it which is hilarious given that black people have had a morbidity rate in this pandemic which is off the charts.  Where's the uproar when Trump declared that Biden would "hurt GOD?"

The Biden gaffe crap is no different than Hillary emails.  They're insignificant when compared to the nonstop graft from Trump.  Who by the way is in hot water in the state of NY for likely tax, insurance fraud and money laundering. 

Speaking of NY, their mail-in vote during the primary was a total disaster, in which nearly one in five ballots were tossed for lateness or mistakes.  The GOP has refused to include mail-in vote money in the stimulus, and given that Democrats seem to be more interested in vote by mail during the pandemic, this may represent a serious problem for them.  Meanwhile, some 61% of poll workers nationwide are over the age of 60, leaving many jurisdictions scrambling for replacements.  The amount of voters, largely Democrat, who are due to be disenfranchised in November is quite high.

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I think there's a difference between worrying that Biden is worse than Trump and being worried about Biden in general.  I worry about Biden in general.  I hope that whoever he picks for VP is ready to take control of the nation if that becomes necessary.  I hope the people that he picks for his cabinet are ready for heavy lifting.  Secretary of State will be huge.  Because I have serious doubts that Biden can handle all that.  And we'll need a lot handled.

But essentially nothing could happen that would make Biden sink below Biden.  Nothing Biden could do would make me less confident in a Biden 2020 administration than a Trump one.  Again, Biden could be in a coma, drooling all day, and he'd be both more qualified and better at the job of president.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't be worried.

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The whole point of Biden's campaign is that he is sensible, controlled and measured compared to Trump; when Biden is unintelligible, impulsive and reactive, he negates his own argument for office.

Transmodiar and Temporal Flux both called Obama a fake and a phony. But Transmodiar also called Trump an incompetent lunatic and TF was so appalled by Trump's nomination that he renounced the Republican party. That's the end of the spectrum I want to stand on; I don't want to be one of those pathetic cultists who call themselves patriots and yet excuse their president killing 150,000 of their countrymen (and counting). Democrats and progressives have to look at Biden just as sharply as we look at Trump and go after him just as hard.

And Biden's gaffes disturb me because Trump was sure to lose in 2016 and he still won. Democrats cannot assume that they'll win because just by the virtue of not being Trump. Their course is steady and their operation is strong, but even the best ship will sink if their captain keeps blowing holes into the hull.

But then WHY am I supporting Joe Biden anyway? Why? Here's why.

Barack Obama wrote:

I am hoping that all of you feel the same sense of urgency that I do. Whenever I campaigned, I’ve always said, “Ah, this is the most important election” -- especially, obviously, when I was on the ballot. That always feels like it’s the most important election.

This one, I’m not on the ballot, but I am pretty darn invested. We've got to make this happen. The election that’s coming up is on every level so important because what we’re going to be battling is not just a particular individual or a political party. What we’re fighting against is these long-term trends in which being selfish, being tribal, being divided, and seeing others as an enemy, that have become a stronger impulse in American life.

We’re seeing that internationally as well and it’s part of the reason why the response to this global crisis has been so anemic and spotty. It would have been bad even with the best of governments.

It has been an absolute chaotic disaster when that mindset of, "What’s in it for me and to heck with everybody else" -- when that mindset is operationalized in our government.

That’s why I am going to be spending as much time as necessary and campaigning as hard as I can for Joe Biden.

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The GOP is broken.  There's no argument there.  The problem is that the GOP is so broken that we can't see that the Democratic Party is also broken.  Maybe irreparably broken.  They had four years to come up with the best plan to beat Donald Trump.  They had four years against a corrupt, dangerous, hateable monster of a president to come up with their hero.  Four years for every Josh Lyman in the country to go out and find their version of Matt Santos.  Or if you want an example from real life, for the next Barack Obama - someone who came out of nowhere and, faults or no, inspires people.

Because Barack Obama would destroy Trump in an election even more than Biden is.

And in four years, who was the primary Democratic voice against Donald Trump?  Pelosi maybe?  Bernie?  AOC?  Schiff? 

When Trump won, I was expecting two things to happen.  Neither did (so take anything I ever say with a grain of salt).  I expected the Republicans to support Trump until it made sense for them not to, and then they could replace him with Mike Pence (someone much more palatable to them and conservatives).  "You had your chance, Donald, but you blew it" and they'd help vote him out for the guy that made more sense. 

I also expected the Democrats to get their champion.  Someone who made their name attacking Trump.  Trump would be the dragon, and 2016-2020 would be a series of jousting tournaments to determine the brave knight that would take on the dragon alone.

And....Joe Biden?

They had four years to come up with something, and they picked Obama's VP?  Broken.  In fact, if you ignore the miracle that Obama was, then the Democratic choices have been pretty uninspired since 2000.  Gore.  Uninspired.  Kerry. Uninspired.  Clinton was supposed to win in 2008 - much like 2016, the field stepped back and expected her to run away with it - Obama was the no-name guy who she was supposed to easily run over so that the race looked like an actual race.  We all know how I feel about Hillary as a candidate.

I get why Biden is the choice.  He's recognizable.  He easily recalls a better time.  He's popular with the right groups.  And I think this is key, his age actually allows him to be a simple 4-year stabilizing force so that the country can breathe again and to give experience to Mayor Pete or Andrew Yang or Kamala Harris or even AOC.

But, man, I was expecting a better gauntlet for 4 years.  I was expecting this election to have the perfect candidate.  And while I probably like Biden more than most of you, he's definitely not that.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

I get why Biden is the choice.  He's recognizable.  He easily recalls a better time.  He's popular with the right groups.  And I think this is key, his age actually allows him to be a simple 4-year stabilizing force so that the country can breathe again and to give experience to Mayor Pete or Andrew Yang or Kamala Harris or even AOC.

But, man, I was expecting a better gauntlet for 4 years.  I was expecting this election to have the perfect candidate.  And while I probably like Biden more than most of you, he's definitely not that.

I was expecting Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders or Andrew Yang, someone who represents the transformational values that the Democrat party supposedly seeks.

But James Carville Jr., as I've mentioned, argued that the turnout model of American elections made the Warrens, Sanders and Yangs a non-starter in this election and that Democrats needed to gamble on someone whom nobody loves but whom progressives Democrats, moderate Democrats and non-Trumpist Republicans could tolerate.

James Carville Jr. wrote:

Do we want to be an ideological cult or do we want to have a majoritarian instinct to be a majority party?

Sanders might get 280 electoral votes and win the presidency and maybe we keep the House. But there’s no chance in hell we’ll ever win the Senate with Sanders at the top of the party defining it for the public. So long as McConnell runs the Senate, it’s game over. There’s no chance we’ll change the courts, and nothing will happen, and he’ll just be sitting up there screaming in the microphone about the revolution.

We’ve got to be a majoritarian party. The urban core is not gonna get it done. What we need is power! Do you understand? That’s what this is about.

The fate of the world depends on the Democrats getting their shit together and winning in November. We have to beat Trump. The Republicans have destroyed their party and turned it into a personality cult, but if anyone thinks they can’t win, they’re out of their damn minds.

You’re not going to change the turnout model. It’s never been done and it’s not going to be done.  Eighteen percent of the country elects more than half of our senators. That’s the deal, fair or not.

The party has to have a majoritarian instinct. We’ve got to be skilled enough to excite our most important voters, African Americans, to get our own new exciting demographic out, these college-educated women, and also to cut into the margins in the more rural and small-town parts of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, places like that.

The purpose of a political party is to acquire power. All right? Without power, nothing matters. It means building coalitions to win elections. It means sometimes having to sit back and listen to what people think and framing your message accordingly.

That’s all I care about. Right now the most important thing is getting this career criminal who’s stealing everything that isn’t nailed down out of the White House. We can’t do anything for anyone if we don’t start there and then acquire more power.

Without power, you have nothing. You just have talking points.

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21172111/ … le-podcast
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics … s-carville
https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/20 … ical-cult/

For now, the gamble is paying off. Trump has been unable to land a punch on Biden because Americans have spotted Trump's pathology: he projects. He accuses others of that which he is guilty and to a far greater extent. Biden's a pawn to the radicals of his party? What do Republicans in Congress see Trump as besides an autopen for their legislation? Biden mistreats black people? Trump actively calls for their deaths by execution or arbitrary murder from police. Biden's mind is broken? Trump fell apart during a FOX interview and then fell apart again with Axios. Biden's America isn't safe? Trump's looking at 300,000 deaths by election day that he could have prevented. Biden's rigging the election? Trump is telling people they need to get sick to vote unless they live in Republican states.

Biden is a white senior citizen centrist and largely immune to Trump's arsenal whereas Warren, Sanders and Yang would not have Biden's (apparent) invincibility against Trump. It's three months to voting and Trump seems quite helpless against the Biden wave. Even his nicknames aren't working; people might have felt contempt for "Lying Ted," "Little Marco" and "Crooked Hillary," but "Sleepy Joe" sounds like a much less exhausting prospective president for Americans.

James Carville Jr. wrote:

The purpose of a political party is to acquire power. Without power, nothing matters. Without power, you have nothing. You just have talking points.

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Politico posted a new article about how Biden's gaffes and behaviour when he makes gaffes -- the confusing, garbled sentences, the closed eyes, the struggle to speak -- they are not cognitive decline. They are his stutter, especially when he can't speak the word he needs and uses a poor substitution. Biden refers to his stutter in past tense, but it's clearly manifesting again.

The so called Biden gaffes, mangling of certain words, looking down when he speaks—all point to an occasional, present-day struggle with stuttering. Yet Biden avoids acknowledging the stutter in the present tense. One can understand the importance of Biden’s narrative of how he overcame his stutter, but the stakes here are way too high not to acknowledge that his stutter still occasionally exists.

Issaac Bailey, who has also struggled with stuttering, wrote in Nieman Reports in March 2020 that when he watched Biden squeezing his eyes during a debate, Bailey recognized that “this type of facial tic is common to stutters who have to, in a split second, decide to struggle through a speech block or quickly substitute words on the fly.”

It can look, said Bailey, “like a moment of forgetfulness—or cognitive decline when it leads to a nonsensical-sounding sentence.” Bailey concludes with “what to the untrained eye looks like evidence of cognitive decline might not be.” Yet Trump and some journalists are making the case that such moments are evidence of Biden’s cognitive decline. Biden cannot let that false narrative continue.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ … ose-392611

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And now this:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/08/politics … index.html

I’ll admit there’s a kind of mad genius to it, but the strong emphasis is on “mad”.  This will not stand; Congress and the courts can’t allow it and should not allow it.  This would make irrelevant our three branch system of government; we would truly have an authoritarian government if this is allowed.

There’s also the probability that companies will hoard the cash instead of letting employees keep it:

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-p … ash-2020-8

The madness here is that it’s scorched earth.  Trump is going to turn both Democrats and Republicans in Congress against him.  Further, it’s madness to just do away with payroll taxes provided by the middle class.  How are Medicare and social security supposed to survive if you cut out a significant chunk of their revenue?  Granted - social security is going to fail anyway, but why accelerate it?  This just created a massive talking point for Democrats as they can tell the elderly that Trump is trying to take away their benefits by crashing the system; and they really won’t be lying about what he’s trying to do.

The only “genius” here is that Trump knows the orders will fail, and he just wants to be able to say he tried to help people and Congress stopped him.  Its cover for failure to make a deal.  It’s an attempt to turn a negative against him into a positive.  Will it work in his favor?  Odds are against it, in my opinion.  I think it will cause him more damage than good.

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In CIVIL WAR (the comic book crossover), Deadpool happily signs up for the Pro-Registration side so that he can be paid to capture renegade superheroes on Captain America's team. As Deadpool at the time was sharing the CABLE & DEADPOOL comic with Cable at the time, Cable comes across Deadpool in their shared base gathering up weapons to go hunting down Captain America's team (non-lethally). Deadpool chirps about how happy he is to earn money as a good guy on the right side against the Anti-Registration heroes.

Cable remarks, "Wade. You never asked me which side I'm on."

Deadpool stares at Cable blankly for a moment, almost as though wondering if this telekinetic, telepathic soldier from the future is going to be on the Pro-Registration's hit list and wondering if Deadpool's peak human strength, agility and guns can defeat a warrior who can stop bullets in mid-air.

Finally, Deadpool, hurrying out of the base, replies, "Honestly, this whole Pro-Registration versus Anti-Registration thing -- I kind of figured you're above all this."

... I kind of always thought of Temporal Flux as being above these petty political squabbles and not existing on the same level as us mere mortals.

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And now this:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/08/politics … index.html

I’ll admit there’s a kind of mad genius to it, but the strong emphasis is on “mad”.  This will not stand; Congress and the courts can’t allow it and should not allow it.  This would make irrelevant our three branch system of government; we would truly have an authoritarian government if this is allowed.

There’s also the probability that companies will hoard the cash instead of letting employees keep it:

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-p … ash-2020-8

The madness here is that it’s scorched earth.  Trump is going to turn both Democrats and Republicans in Congress against him.  Further, it’s madness to just do away with payroll taxes provided by the middle class.  How are Medicare and social security supposed to survive if you cut out a significant chunk of their revenue?  Granted - social security is going to fail anyway, but why accelerate it?  This just created a massive talking point for Democrats as they can tell the elderly that Trump is trying to take away their benefits by crashing the system; and they really won’t be lying about what he’s trying to do.

The only “genius” here is that Trump knows the orders will fail, and he just wants to be able to say he tried to help people and Congress stopped him.  Its cover for failure to make a deal.  It’s an attempt to turn a negative against him into a positive.  Will it work in his favor?  Odds are against it, in my opinion.  I think it will cause him more damage than good.

He's a grifter my man, the Sham-Wow guy, it's really that simple.  His plan is to divert billions from FEMA (with hurricane season coming) to pay for 75% of the $400 while BROKE states must pay 25% but he gave them no more aid.  His payroll tax shit is just plain putrid.  The Republicans against Trump are already preparing an ad blitz, where Trump ADMITTED he will eliminate that tax if re-elected.  That means he is FOR the abolition of Social Security!!!  Madness!

In other news, Joe Biden was out biking with secret service.  He wore a mask and no helmet (come on Joe), but another shot to the "he's too old" line from Trump, who would wipe out if he attempted to do the same. 

This story takes the cake though....

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/09/politics … index.html

White House aides reached out to South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem last year about the process of adding additional presidents to Mount Rushmore, the New York Times reported.  According to a person familiar who spoke with the Times, Noem then greeted Trump when he arrived in the state for his July Fourth celebrations at the monument with a four-foot replica of Mount Rushmore that included his face.  Noem has noted before Trump's "dream" to have his face on Mount Rushmore, the Coolidge-era sculpture that features the 60-foot-tall faces of Presidents George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt.  According to a 2018 interview with Noem, the two struck up a conversation about the sculpture in the Oval Office during their first meeting, where she initially thought he was joking. "I started laughing," she said. "He wasn't laughing, so he was totally serious."

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Joe Biden has chosen Kamala Harris as his VP. I admire any man who gets excoriated by a competitor and proceeds to ask that competitor to work with him as a partner.

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I think it's the best choice.  He was backed into a corner in a bit to select a black woman (especially after his recent gaffes).  I don't know if she solidifies the black vote like Obama did (she has her own warts), but she was the best combination of actual experience and has been the vetted the hardest.

And I think Joe could've picked just about anyone and I don't think it would've done much to his votes.  People that are turned off by this pick weren't going to vote for him anyway, and people that liked the pick would've found another reason.  Sunrise, sunset.

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Personally, I wanted Gretchen Whitmer for the job. But -- black people are getting the crap kicked out of them right now. (Literally.) They need to see hope in the faces of their prospective leaders. And because Kamala Harris isn't a far-left figure like Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders and has been a prosecutor, she is also immune to Trump's claims that she is a socialist radical or against 'law and order.' It's a choice that doesn't in any way rock the boat that is speeding straight to the White House.

This whole election is making me realize that you can't just appeal to those who agree with you; you have to appeal to those who would grudgingly tolerate you and build a coalition. The Biden/Harris ticket is the equivalent of "Double Cross" / "Dead Man Sliding" / "Season's Greedings" / "The Prince of Slides". It's good enough for now and will ideally create some stability pave the ground for more experimental, progressive ideas assuming nobody in charge has a serious drug problem and is really only there to get Roger Daltrey and his band to perform.

The USPS situation has me very worried, but if people vote ASAP and early, they can still beat the post office.

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As a general rule, running mates don't matter

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They don't win elections. But they can certainly drag down a campaign. Palin made John McCain look desperate for having chosen an incoherent, stupid, proudly ignorant fool and Biden trounced her in a debate. Ryan proved to be an empty headed buffoon whose tax code descriptions sounded intellectual but were in essence nonsensical and Biden punctured him readily.

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FiveThirtyEight came out with their election forecast and gives Biden a 71% chance to win at this exact moment in time.  They're an interesting site because they seemed to give Trump the most chance in 2016.  The bad news is that the numbers aren't all that different from 2016.  The good news is that as long as nothing big happens between now and November, that number will just go up (seems like they're leaving about 20% of Trump's chances to stuff like Covid and August/September/October surprises - they say if the election was today it'd be 91%).

What's interesting is a something I never hear talked about - they've adjusted from what they learned in 2016.  So they're doing their best to take as much of what they've learned and adjusted it.  Secret Trump voters, lying to polls, voter suppression.  I think most people (mostly Trump people) assume that polls have the same flaws they had.

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This is the forecast: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/20 … -forecast/

In a podcast, Five Thirty Eight said that exit polls in 2016 didn't reveal any secret Trump voters; the support shown for him in polls was largely a match for his votes -- and that Trump's victory over Clinton was in the 2 - 4% range of polling error, a margin accentuated by the failure to rate voters without college degrees as a weighted demographic.

While Biden's chances by the Five Thirty Eight scale are the same as Hillary Clinton's in 2016, Biden's polling lead on Trump is well outside the margin of error. Five Thirty Eight also gives Biden a 71 chance because "there’s still a long way to go until the election," 82 days. I'm not sure that's true. Politico doesn't think it's true. It's actually 49 days to early voting in Arizona, Ohio and Iowa during the first week of October. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/0 … rtn-389707

But Five Thirty Eight still strips away 29 per cent from Biden's chances. Trump has given up on getting more votes; he's instead trying to sabotage Democrat votes by slowing down the post office, calling for a delayed election, attempting to contrive executive actions to prevent ballot counting (even though elections are run by states), declaring federal agents will be in force on Election Day in Democrat cities, planning to declare victory on Election Day before all the votes are counted, planning to call for all mail-in ballots to be discarded.

Will he succeed? I don't know; he's grossly incompetent. Grizzlor doesn't think voter suppression could suppress Biden's lead and Wisconsin has shown that voter suppression affects both parties and may have actually evened out the playing field. Slider_Quinn21 thinks Trump's team has proven inept and incompetent (couldn't simply sit back and let the experts manage the pandemic, couldn't kill Obamacare despite having Congress, couldn't call on Ukraine and China to interfere in the 2020 election without getting caught). If they're as successful with voter suppression as they are with everything else, they will fail -- except I have to point out that they have successfully short circuited the US Postal Service.

Even then, Slider_Quinn21, Salon and Lifehacker think that the sabotage of the mail can be bypassed if Biden's voters simply vote as soon as possible and the Democrat convention will reportedly feature guidance on how to fight the post office and do everything possible to get ballots counted. Five Thirty Eight is maintaining a healthy uncertainty over that.

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One number to keep in mind is black voter turnout, which was 5-6% higher for Obama than Kerry or Clinton, who both lost.  In Wisconsin in 2016, the turnout was like 20 points lower, which doomed Hillary.  So between Biden and Harris, you'd figure those voters will be voting, not to mention how badly Trump disgusts them.

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Black voters are not that enamored with Harris, the former DA with a long record of failing to hold cops or her own office accountable.  Kanye West might draw enough of that vote to hurt Biden.

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Kamala was the best choice. Also the only choice. 

Biden and Kamala appeared together and Biden was back on his game with righteous fury and grief for America presented in a controlled, measured way. Kamala gave a strong speech. They seem to be a good team.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ymyY7jez0rM

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It would seem that Herman Cain hates Kamala Harris so much that he came back from the grave to slam her:

https://mobile.twitter.com/THEHermanCai … 1610427392

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Lol

Tucker Carlson also helped to explain how to pronounce her name. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z12Y_wN540

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ireactions wrote:

Even then, Slider_Quinn21, Salon and Lifehacker think that the sabotage of the mail can be bypassed if Biden's voters simply vote as soon as possible and the Democrat convention will reportedly feature guidance on how to fight the post office and do everything possible to get ballots counted.

This is sorta what I don't understand.  The Democrats have Trump's playbook, and they know all the plays that Trump a) can do and b) is capable of.  There won't be any surprises in November.

So I don't know why they aren't doing more things that directly oppose what Trump would do.  Focusing on making mail-in voting more reliable should be secondary to making sure that in-person voting can be done safely.  In-person votes aren't affected by Post Office shenanigans.  That should be the focus.  There should be massive online campaigns to get people to early voting locations as much as possible.  Coordinating volunteers to let people know the quick and safe places people can vote.  Coordinating ways to get off work to do so.  And if that's not possible, coordinating to get people in and out as quickly and safely as possible.  Biden-branded hand sanitizers, masks, gloves, and face shields.  Yes we're talking about 60 million voters during a worldwide pandemic, but they have the money, they have the resources, and they still have the time.

If a car burglar is on your street, you don't just put up a camera and hope to nab him in the act.  Sure, do that.  And get a car alarm.  But the safest thing to do is just put your car in the garage.

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ireactions wrote:

Tucker Carlson also helped to explain how to pronounce her name. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z12Y_wN540

That’s my big problem with Tucker - he’s insincere and condescending.  Does anyone really believe he’s accidentally mispronouncing her name?  Tucker should have just been straight and told the truth - he pronounces it wrong because he does not respect her.  It’s a jab.

But the show does often point to subjects not being reported on elsewhere (he was talking about COVID-19 before anyone else was), so I stick through it to see if there’s a topic worth researching or thinking about.

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This is sorta what I don't understand.  The Democrats have Trump's playbook, and they know all the plays that Trump a) can do and b) is capable of.  There won't be any surprises in November.

So I don't know why they aren't doing more things that directly oppose what Trump would do.  Focusing on making mail-in voting more reliable should be secondary to making sure that in-person voting can be done safely.  In-person votes aren't affected by Post Office shenanigans.  That should be the focus.  There should be massive online campaigns to get people to early voting locations as much as possible.  Coordinating volunteers to let people know the quick and safe places people can vote.  Coordinating ways to get off work to do so.  And if that's not possible, coordinating to get people in and out as quickly and safely as possible.  Biden-branded hand sanitizers, masks, gloves, and face shields.  Yes we're talking about 60 million voters during a worldwide pandemic, but they have the money, they have the resources, and they still have the time.

If a car burglar is on your street, you don't just put up a camera and hope to nab him in the act.  Sure, do that.  And get a car alarm.  But the safest thing to do is just put your car in the garage.

They are working on it. They have been all along.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/politics … index.html

But they haven't been particularly public about their plans, possibly to give Trump as little time as possible to react and possibly waiting for something like today where Trump spouted off that he's deliberately sabotaging the post office and refusing to negotiate on a relief package to prevent funding from going to elections and USPS. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/1 … ing-394692

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I was sure they were.  This isn't necessarily going to be easy because the Republicans are good at this, but it's not exactly hard either.  I saw that there was a big social media push to make sure people send in their mail-in votes by October 22 to give the system enough time to get in and get in on time.  Hopefully this helps people get it done.  I also saw a campaign about the different ways to make sure your mail-in vote gets counted so, on some level, the Democrats are in the right area.

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What's odd -- and possibly advantageous -- is that Trump keeps spouting what his subterfuge and plans are like he's a villain in a James Bond movie and feels compelled to tell his opponents exactly what he's doing and why he's doing it -- which enables Biden and his 600+ lawyers to work out exactly what to do in response. But I'm not sure there is even a legal countermeasure required: the simplest solution is to bypass mail-in voting and the postal service.

Anyone who would survive being infected by COVID-19 and isn't in proximity to the elderly needs to prepare protective gear and sanitizers in advance and vote early and in person. Anyone who must vote by mail needs to put their ballot in a ballot box. Anyone who can't reach a ballot box needs to mail on the day early voting is open.

And anyone who waits until the last day to vote is clearly a Trumpist and there's no helping anyone who supports a president who's killed 160,000 of their fellow citizens and insists a virus raging across the country will "go away." Trumpists can't even help themselves.

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ireactions wrote:

Anyone who would survive being infected by COVID-19 and isn't in proximity to the elderly needs to prepare protective gear and sanitizers in advance and vote early and in person. Anyone who must vote by mail needs to put their ballot in a ballot box. Anyone who can't reach a ballot box needs to mail on the day early voting is open.

I'm sure the Biden campaign is doing something like this, but they also need to be arranging for people to go around and pick up mail from people and deliver them to a ballot box or polling location.  If Trump wants to go after the post office, then Biden can create their own post office.

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The postmaster general who has been sabotaging USPS is now under investigation by the USPS inspector general for conflicts of interest for his owning stock in Amazon and UPS as called for by Elizabeth Warren. Attorneys general across numerous states are now investigating Postmaster Louis DeJoy as well for violating election law.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1294 … 94048.html

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Gotta love the protests building at the home of the moron Postmaster in Washington!

https://twitter.com/KolbieReports/statu … 0004469760

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House Democrats are ending the recess early to hold hearings on USPS sabotage. Postmaster general Louis DeJoy has been summoned and is being threatened with arrest if he fails to appear. Six states are preparing to sue the Trump administration and prosecute DeJoy for interfering with an election. Democrats are preparing a voter education campaign.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/pl … ver-490091

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Boom! Very nice to see ACTION

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Not sure what will come of it though if you recall Amb. Sondland in the Ukraine mess?  Like DeJoy, he was just a big Trump donor who was given a job like this as a result.  Like Sondland, I truly do not believe DeJoy has the stomach to defend Trump to the point of putting his own butt on the line.

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DeJoy has issued a statement saying that he's suspending all changes, reinstating overtime, no longer altering the postal service until after the election. Whether this is merely a public statement or actual intent to be matched with action is presently unclear. But with over 24 states planning lawsuits against him and the federal government and the FBI being asked to look into charging him with election interference, his lawyers have clearly been advising a hasty retreat or at least the appearance of one.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/1 … ure-397765