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Topic: Sliders: New DVDs with correct episode order (not blu-ray)

http://tvshowsondvd.com/n/22066.

TV Shows on DVD:
We're pleased to have the scoop that in the not-too-distant future Mill Creek will be releasing (or re-releasing) six other TV shows which they've licensed from Universal Studios, and all will get some form of DVD version from MCE. Some of them will also make their debut on high-def Blu-ray Disc format, too...but Mill Creek hasn't finalized which ones, and in what configurations. Here are the six other shows to look for: Quantum Leap, Sliders, The Rockford Files, Coach, Friday Night Lights, Necessary Roughness.

EDITED TO ADD: DVD pushed back till October 11th 2016. http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Slider … ries/22692

EDITED TO ADD: DVD announcement, no blu-ray possible: http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Slider … ries/22442

Mill Creek Entertainment is excited to announce that on October 4th they will re-release Sliders - The Complete Series on DVD. Mill Creek knows that a lot of fans have REALLY been pushing for a Blu-ray release of Sliders, and so they have asked us to pass along that high definition masters of the episodes have NOT been made available to MCE, therefore no Blu-ray release plans have been made at this time. Unfortunately they just do not have the ability to make it happen; they are only able to use what materials are provided by the studio they've licensed the property from. But they are excited to give fans a new way to get the show on DVD, at a great price, and for the first time in the proper order.

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WOW!!!

We need to write Mill Creek and start a campaign!

And we should push for scanning the masters for a true blu-ray not just an upconversion/cleanup of the current discs.

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It should be interesting to see how they turn out. Some of the stuff from the 90's look pretty bad.

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I refuse to buy Seasons 3 - 5 in any format. At all.

If it gets released, I'll find a way to buy only Seasons 1 - 2. :-)

You could get a very decent image if the master tapes were rescanned to the highest bit rate available. It wouldn't be true HD, but it'd be a good upscaled image. But given Universal's inability to get the episodes in the right order or contact Temporal Flux for materials, I have my doubts.

If you listen to the next Sliders Rewatch, you'll learn what Tracy Torme's special SLIDERS project was meant to be. His hope was to see his material put on a future SLIDERS blu-ray release. It wasn't to be and the material doesn't exist, sadly, but it's an interesting dream.

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From the article:

"Mill Creek can only work with the versions of the episodes that Universal sends them, so their hands could be tied. We'll have to wait and see; stay tuned!"


So I'm guessing it would be an upconversion/cleanup job.  Because we can assume universal doesn't have a digital scan in 16:9 bluray format, right?

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Well, if Mill Creek could do their own transfer of the masters, we'd get somewhere. That said, many small video publishing outfits do not have the equipment or resources to do this. They might be able to make it a condition of licensing SLIDERS from Universal.

If they don't -- honestly, there is no point to doing another release of the series. No need for a fourth release of a crappy transfer when you could just buy it used or discounted off Amazon for pennies on the dollar -- aside from Season 5, which seems hard to find at a reasonable rate right now -- but who really wants it?

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If it's anything to note NBC Universal Store removed the Complete Series set from their website about a month ago. Season five was also removed, I asked them and they said they have no release date for that season.

I feel it's either going to be a good blu ray transfer or a kick in the shins with yet another DVD re-release. A shoddy up conversion/cleanup just seems pointless.

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Would they really pick up the licensing rights just to do a dvd release of something already available on DVD?

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ireactions wrote:

Well, if Mill Creek could do their own transfer of the masters, we'd get somewhere. That said, many small video publishing outfits do not have the equipment or resources to do this. They might be able to make it a condition of licensing SLIDERS from Universal.


I may be wrong but looking at their site, I don't get the sense they'd engage in this sort of thing.  I'm hoping though they can get some help from universal on this and just get good digital files from them.

The article states that decisions haven't necessarily been made by Mill Creek yet so the more we can get fans to reach out to them asking for a high quality master transfer, the more they'll realize this is what fans are really looking for out of a re-release.

That said since universal didnt bother, I'd take a good upconversion job, but it wont quite be the same.

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*sigh* I'll contact them.

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ireactions wrote:

*sigh* I'll contact them.


Thanks. It's very important we let them know what we want.

From the article:

Some of them will also make their debut on high-def Blu-ray Disc format, too...but Mill Creek hasn't finalized which ones, and in what configurations.

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Looking at the Pilot episode -- the transfer is good. It's just that with all the subsequent episodes, the bit rate for them is significantly lower than the Pilot.

I think Universal probably has a decent transfer already of the master tapes -- they just put the Pilot at maximum quality, using up the majority of the space on the first DVD, and then proceeded to use a lower bit rate for the rest of the episodes on that disc and the rest of the box sets.

Looking at the Pilot and only the Pilot, anyone with a home computer could run the aspect ratio conversion and the upscale. The first thing to do is run a non-linear stretch on the image, stretching the sides and zooming in slightly to change 4:3 to 16:9. The next thing to do is to boost the resolution to 720p (not 1080p, let's not go nuts). To cover some of the degradation, a low level of noise should be added and the contrast reduced. The end result would be a good upscaled DVD with the high capacity of a blu-ray allowing the episodes to fit on the discs.

It's not hard. It's plug and play. It's worth doing. I'm just waiting for some contact info to come in and I'll get in touch. And plead. And beg. And cajole. And urge.

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My biggest question would be was Sliders shot in widescreen, like the X-Files and no one knew until years later till the HD versions were released. Mill Creek has Airwolf on blu ray and they also have Knight Rider HD but failed to put it on BD as TVShows on DVD says:

The episodes will even be newly remastered in high definition, for great quality on such a low-cost item. And who knows? With HD masters available, maybe Mill Creek's got top-secret (for now) plans to later put this show out on Blu-ray Disc, like they're doing on the same date with Airwolf!

They also done a That 70s Show BD, in the trailer they keep bantering how it was transferred from the original film negatives: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6AIGQN3p1w. Who knows who done the transferring though.

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You can upscale and smart-stretch even without having shot it in 16:9.

Hey, RussianCabbie, check your E-mail. There is one key contact for a blu-ray release that we need YOUR help on! :-D

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Unless there's any new material not released on the original DVD sets, I doubt I'd buy a new DVD release (I don't have a blu ray player at all), other than a season 3 with single sided discs.

For a show that everyone seems to think is forgotten, it sure has a lot of life in it on streaming licenses and DVD releases.

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ireactions wrote:

The first thing to do is run a non-linear stretch on the image, stretching the sides and zooming in slightly to change 4:3 to 16:9.

Please, no. Unless it was filmed in 16:9, it shouldn't be released in 16:9. The directors framed the shots for 4:3 and they should be viewed at 4:3. It's no better than when widescreen films used to get cropped to fit a 4:3 frame.

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Star Trek TNG BD is still 4:3.  For Sliders, they had to use a higher quality transfer for the The Hub HD broadcasts.  These were far superior to the DVD's IMO.  It may simply have been professional upscaling from the masters used for DVD.  What was the quality of Sliders on Netflix or whatever streaming service had it, when it was on there?  On BD, you'll at least get a better bit rate, which will look far better than DVD.  As for extras, I wouldn't hold my breath.

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I mentioned to Gord at TVShowsOnDVD that Sliders seasons one and two were re-released back in 2012 with new packaging. He said they don't list them if they are just repackaging without any new content. So hopefully this new article brings promise. Obviously Quantum Leap will be one of the 'candidates' to be on blu ray since they are streaming it in HD on Netflix.

Stretching 4:3 to 16:9 would be a tragedy for Sliders. I'd rather see 4:3 in HD rather than a stretch. I watched a documentary about Star Trek TNG a while back and while they shot the show in a 16:9 format they weren't thinking that it would ever be necessary to be seen that way. And as a result they left C-stands, etc. off to the sides of the frame. It wouldn't shock me at all if FOX took that approach but hopefully the director of photography and others had some say.

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I watch most of my 4:3 DVDs in 16:9 with non-linear stretching using Cyberlink PowerDVD. I think you would be very impressed by the conversion. There is no distortion. The cropping is slight and barely noticeable. The result is an image that fills the screen without much, if any, loss of picture and the shot composition is actually enhanced because there is no distracting pillarboxing.

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Add Knight Rider and Miami Vice to the bluray list:

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Knight … ries/22436

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Miami- … ries/22437

So far Mill Creek is running the table on their new licenses - all have gotten blurays.  Sliders may see it happen yet.

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Out of luck on the blu-ray
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Slider … ries/22442

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At least that will finally be a good version to donate to libraries so that more of the public can have a chance to see it.   I'll keep an eye on how much it discounts down.  When Mill Creek released the Complete Married with Children, it went from $69.99 MSRP to $29.99 on Amazon.  If Sliders takes a similar cut, then it will be more reasonable to buy up that extra copy to donate.

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Hopefully, all the episodes in the new release will be the same quality as the Pilot instead of having the Pilot in a high bit rate and all the other episodes at a low bit rate.

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Jim_Hall wrote:

Stretching 4:3 to 16:9 would be a tragedy for Sliders. I'd rather see 4:3 in HD rather than a stretch.

Here's an example of how SLIDERS could be upconverted to 16:9 with a plug and play solution. This is how SLIDERS looks when I watch it on my HTPC and switch on the upconvert. The upconverted version is on the right.

The algorithm isn't just chopping the top and bottom off a 4:3 image. It's stretching the edges of the image at a moderate percentage for the left and right and an even smaller percentage at the top and bottom, filling a 16:9 space while losing some detail at the border of the image, but not remotely as much as uniform cropping and it avoids distorting the image.

https://i.imgsafe.org/7d9a3d0986.jpg

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ireactions wrote:
Jim_Hall wrote:

Stretching 4:3 to 16:9 would be a tragedy for Sliders. I'd rather see 4:3 in HD rather than a stretch.

Here's an example of how SLIDERS could be upconverted to 16:9 with a plug and play solution. This is how SLIDERS looks when I watch it on my HTPC and switch on the upconvert. The upconverted version is on the right.

The algorithm isn't just chopping the top and bottom off a 4:3 image. It's stretching the edges of the image at a moderate percentage for the left and right and an even smaller percentage at the top and bottom, filling a 16:9 space while losing some detail at the border of the image, but not remotely as much as uniform cropping and it avoids distorting the image.

https://i.imgsafe.org/7d9a3d0986.jpg

I ended up doing the smart stretching based on your recommendation. It was great for getting a sense of what a 16:9 scan would look like, but I think I may go back to 4:3.  From what I saw, every time characters weren't in the middle of the frame (eg when they were on the sides), they stretched too much, and their width changed as they moved through the frame.

I'm pretty frustrated with us likely not even getting simulated HD with this release, but hopefully as you say the source files are of better quality. I am not holding out hope. Perhaps I am mistaken but even on Netflix the pilot seems to be much higher quality than other episodes from season 1. I think universal just sent Netflix the ones they had on hand for the dvd and will do the same with Mill Creek.

I'm going to try to post my clips of my upconverted pilot at some point, somewhere. If we can get quality enough source files for the episodes, I might just try to do a blu-ray myself, because I have no faith in the likelihood Universal bothers with giving us anything new anymore.

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The problems you describe with your stretching strike me as too high a stretching percentage on too much of the border areas with insufficient cropping to obscure the width issues of movement. My HTPC uses Cyberlink PowerDVD with their stretching algorithm called TrueTheatre Stretch: http://www.cyberlink.com/stat/technolog … _video.jsp Their technique does not create the distortion you describe.

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ireactions wrote:

The problems you describe with your stretching strike me as too high a stretching percentage on too much of the border areas with insufficient cropping to obscure the width issues of movement. My HTPC uses Cyberlink PowerDVD with their stretching algorithm called TrueTheatre Stretch: http://www.cyberlink.com/stat/technolog … _video.jsp Their technique does not create the distortion you describe.

Oh thanks!

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What are the chances the "making of season 4" special will be included? My VHS tape of that off sci fi channel from its first airing is in mighty bad shape.

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You mean this one?

http://earthprime.com/video/making-of-sliders-sfc

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Yes that one!

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Transmodiar wrote:

You mean this one?

http://earthprime.com/video/making-of-sliders-sfc


Not sure if you have these, Season 2 EPK:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x43bem … -part-1_tv

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x434ln … -part-2_tv

Aaron had posted this in another thread.

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Did anyone happen to DVR the Hub episodes (particularly season 1 & 2 eps) and still have them on your box?

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I have "The Good,the Bad and the Wealthy" & California Reich on my tivo premier.
but i dont realy have a good way to transfer them to anything else

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sliders5125 wrote:

I have "The Good,the Bad and the Wealthy" & California Reich on my tivo premier.
but i dont realy have a good way to transfer them to anything else


Would you be able to compare "The Good, the Bad and the Wealthy" to the DVD version and see if you think the image quality is better on The Hub vs. the DVD?  I'm interested to see if The Hub broadcast the same digital file as what the DVD had, or if it were any different.

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Looks better than season 2 dvd's, but these are the ones from 2004 in the floating DVD case, they had like 6 episodes compressed on one DVD something new at the time where as previous to this release usually there would be 3 hrs on a single dvd vs the 5hr + on these dvd's.

Saying that the HUB Broadcast looks better, as said before their are black bars on the left and right of the screen being that The HUB was an HD only TV network.

The DVD has more grain...The HUB images look slightly better.

Is it a drastic difference "No", I am playing the DVD on a bluray player with a DVD up-convert so I am getting the best version of what the DVD could offer.

The HUB was the only network to try Sliders Reruns and they aired them in order with the best quality possible...I wish it would of worked but we had an extra year of so of new eyes getting to see Sliders again.

I checked it out on Netflix, Netflix looks better than DVD, HUB still looks better.

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sliders5125 wrote:

Looks better than season 2 dvd's, but these are the ones from 2004 in the floating DVD case, they had like 6 episodes compressed on one DVD something new at the time where as previous to this release usually there would be 3 hrs on a single dvd vs the 5hr + on these dvd's.

Saying that the HUB Broadcast looks better, as said before their are black bars on the left and right of the screen being that The HUB was an HD only TV network.

The DVD has more grain...The HUB images look slightly better.

Is it a drastic difference "No", I am playing the DVD on a bluray player with a DVD up-convert so I am getting the best version of what the DVD could offer.

The HUB was the only network to try Sliders Reruns and they aired them in order with the best quality possible...I wish it would of worked but we had an extra year of so of new eyes getting to see Sliders again.

I checked it out on Netflix, Netflix looks better than DVD, HUB still looks better.

Ok, thanks. My understanding from what others have said is the 2014 Complete Series DVD didn't have better quality for the season 1 & 2 episodes on the 2004/2005 DVD release.

It sounds like either the Hub did their own transfer from the master tapes and/or did an upconversation on the digital assets, either from their transfer or the one provided by universal.

It doesn't sound like you're saying there's a huge difference but its better. Since we're never going to get a Blu-ray and I find the quality of the season 1/2 on DVD or netflix makes it look like a show out of the 80s (or 70s), I'm going to have to see if it's at all an option to get stuff from the hub to do my own upconversion job with. I remember The Hub looking better, but it's been so long, I wasn't sure to what degree. Sounds like it's still pretty meh.

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My guess is the new release coming out may look better single layer disk, etc. The problem If you got the hub episodes is the bottom of the screen hub would take up to advertise what was coming up or contest, so you would end up with an network logo on all episodes.

I would guess if the new release dvd sells good the only thing left to do is a bluray conversion.

I would guess the last couple rereleases had some sales for their to be a complete season rerelease with episodes in correct order...tthis is the 1st time anyone has 5aken the time to do this on dvd...with it being a new conversion it may have less episodes or a better conversion.

The show was shot on film but the badly done special effects would have to be redone..would be nice to get a star trek classic series or sting bluray redo but I can't see anyone spending the money....maybe could talk amazon into it as an exclusive on demand project.  I t would be cheaper than a 13 episode show and their is a built in audience

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sliders5125 wrote:

My guess is the new release coming out may look better single layer disk, etc. The problem If you got the hub episodes is the bottom of the screen hub would take up to advertise what was coming up or contest, so you would end up with an network logo on all episodes.

Ah, I was just thinking there'd be a logo. Still would probably be worth it if the source files were materially better. Not to mention, I might be able to figure out a way to use the bottom of the dvd image to cover that stuff.

I would guess if the new release dvd sells good the only thing left to do is a bluray conversion.

I would guess the last couple rereleases had some sales for their to be a complete season rerelease with episodes in correct order...tthis is the 1st time anyone has 5aken the time to do this on dvd...with it being a new conversion it may have less episodes or a better conversion.

The show was shot on film but the badly done special effects would have to be redone..would be nice to get a star trek classic series or sting bluray redo but I can't see anyone spending the money....maybe could talk amazon into it as an exclusive on demand project.  I t would be cheaper than a 13 episode show and their is a built in audience

Even low-budget projects cost about $800k per episode.  Unfortunately, no way we have enough power to do that for an exclusively premium distributed product.

As far as blu-ray, to do true hd they'd also have to re-edit everything because the film negatives are just what was shot, not the edited episode. So you have to re-edit which takes time, and too many man hours for a project with sliders dvd sales.  Although I did hear of one series where they used image recognition technology to reassemble the shots. But it's huge obstacle outside of special effects.

But, as ireactions has said before, they could do a simulated hd verison... we would just have to push universal to make something like this happen. I don't think they care, and frankly, I think they have bigger fish to fry, which is why the dvd releases have gotten the past treatment they have.

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Is there anyone in this thread that doesn't already own the series on DVD - or can catch it on Netflix? What is the audience for this release at this point?

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There are more Sliders fans than the show gets credit for. It isn't a wild fanatic type of fandom, but it is pretty large. A lot of people seem to get references to the show when I see it come up in conversation. And most people seem to think fondly of it.

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Transmodiar wrote:

Is there anyone in this thread that doesn't already own the series on DVD - or can catch it on Netflix? What is the audience for this release at this point?


I think this article, speculating in April about what Mill Creek's Quantum Leap release would be like, highlights their business model:
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Quantu … nd-2/22175

Mill Creek hasn't said in their announcement materials one way or the other, but for fans hoping that this re-release would correct the missing material from the original DVDs that Universal put out in 2004...we have NO reason at this time to believe that Mill Creek's releases have that missing material. Our expectation at present is that the episodes will be the same on these new versions, and that the re-release isn't targeted at passionate fans who already own the previous versions (but rather, like many of Mill Creek's re-releases, at casual fans who missed picked up the original DVD sets, perhaps due to cost).

If we look at the Sliders release by MC in 2016, it's suggested retail price is $45.  The Universal one in 2014 was what, $150 or something?  So MC is really offering this at the fraction of the cost. Of course, people do have options to buy season sets individually on the cheap or get the 2014 release used.  Who knows how well this will do, as long as Mill Creek didn't pay much for the license they should be ok, I think.

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I think it's great that the show continues to make money and have a market for continued re releases. I own the original releases of each season (as I'm sure most of "us" do). The re release of seasons 1&2 were interesting but unnecessary to me (although I'd love for the "normal" packaging those have. I would definitely buy a re release of season 3 of it was released on single sided discs (I was hoping those would come after the re release of 1&2).
The 2014 complete series had no appeal to me other than single sided discs on season 3, but at that price, it wasn't an option.
This new release is a much better price, correct order, and includes single sided discs for season 3, but no other extras I don't already have (which is why I'm hoping for the Making of season 4 special to be included - and anything else I don't know about that hasn't been released). While I'd love to save some space and get a complete series for Sliders (which includes the original boxes and 10 jewel cases for my seasons 1-3 discs, since the original boxes are unacceptable to keep discs in), I'd probably keep the boxes for 1-3 anyway to always be reminded how laughably horrible those boxes were (also season's 5 awful cover art with Mallory as the star and both Remmy and Maggie taking a back seat).

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I emailed Mill Creek and asked about the video quality on the new set and they wrote back to spend three paragraphs saying NOTHING WHATSOEVER. I don't think they know what the video quality will be; maybe they don't have the original DVD release to make a comparison.

If the new release isn't compressing six hours of video onto one disc, I'll buy it. Netflix Canada doesn't have SLIDERS. Even American Netflix is missing some episodes for reasons unfathomable but are probably due to the Dr. Geiger's Combine experiment warping spacetime and corrupting reality into a twisted incarnation filled with horror, madness and loss.

I'd like the episodes in the correct order. I'd like a decent quality version of "As Time Goes By" to watch endlessly. I'll never watch anything past Season 2 except for research purposes. The lack of simulated HD isn't a huge problem.

I do think that Mill Creek could have done a blu-ray release with the techniques I've explained. However,  my PowerDVD software player can do the upscale for me.

A blu-ray release could store the video at the highest possible quality, but I imagine even if you maxed out the bit rate, the video quality would not be any better than video at the upper limit of DVD storage. Universal's masters are undoubtedly in standard definition. So long as Mill Creek doesn't overcompress the way Universal did, it should be fine.

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ireactions wrote:

A blu-ray release could store the video at the highest possible quality, but I imagine even if you maxed out the bit rate, the video quality would not be any better than video at the upper limit of DVD storage. Universal's masters are undoubtedly in standard definition. So long as Mill Creek doesn't overcompress the way Universal did, it should be fine.

Right, as long as they are doing a transfer themselves... and not just reusing the digital assets Universal has sent out to netflix, vod and used for the previous DVDs (all which look like crap for those non-pilot early episodes).  That's what I fear but if they do the transfer themselves, I think we'll definitely see improvements as  I can't see how they could f it up more than Universal did.

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If the HUB could get the digital materials to do a decent semi-HD upscale, I see no reason not to think Mill Creek couldn't benefit from the same. It's possible that Netflix and Universal came to the streaming arrangement before Universal had a department and a procedure for handling HD broadcast on shows only stored as standard definition on their masters. The Professor would tell you to expect nothing but hope for everything.

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ireactions wrote:

If the HUB could get the digital materials to do a decent semi-HD upscale, I see no reason not to think Mill Creek couldn't benefit from the same. It's possible that Netflix and Universal came to the streaming arrangement before Universal had a department and a procedure for handling HD broadcast on shows only stored as standard definition on their masters. The Professor would tell you to expect nothing but hope for everything.

I just don't know if Mill Creek cared or even knew of the issue with the early episodes, enough to reject the existing digital assets (if those were offered).  Since Mill Creek is pricing this extremely affordably and has lower margins on this release, it's really not clear if they'd try to do a transfer themselves.  And Universal only recently put out their own series two years ago, so they may just send those files MC's way.  It is 88 episodes after all, and doing a transfer cost money (might be about $9k).

The thing about The Hub is they were broadcasting in HD. And we know they put in some resources into sliders, producing promos etc.  It's just a bigger outfit than MC.

So I think it could go either way, we'll see October 4 smile

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There's no way the HUB could have done the HD upscale unless they were given the raw materials from Univeral to do it in the first place.

48 (edited by RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan 2016-07-05 20:33:28)

Re: Sliders: New DVDs with correct episode order (not blu-ray)

ireactions wrote:

There's no way the HUB could have done the HD upscale unless they were given the raw materials from Univeral to do it in the first place.

Oh, I agree with that.  Here's hoping Mill Creek works with the same.

49 (edited by RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan 2016-07-05 21:43:28)

Re: Sliders: New DVDs with correct episode order (not blu-ray)

I'm away now, so I don't have access to my DVDs for a screen shot, but here's an example of the netflix pilot vs. a pilot upconverted off the dvd file (stretching for 16:9).

https://i.snag.gy/tIGqjm.jpg

Re: Sliders: New DVDs with correct episode order (not blu-ray)

upconverted that yourself?   the netflix quality looks awful.