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I don't see the problem. Erica Durance and Laura Benanti have very similar builds and if they match Erica's hair to the Season 1 Alura look, it'll work. Erica's aged visibly since SMALLVILLE which should make her look more mother than the teen idol she was as Lois. I think they need Alura or Astra in flashbacks to explain the backstory of the new Kryptonian villain.

My concern is that Erica seems incapable of playing characters who aren't sardonic, self-aware goofballs like herself. When she tried playing the regal and elegant Isis, it was embarrassing. Her attempt to do an Allison Mack impression in a body switch episode was an insult to Allison. Erica is a wonderful performer of her natural persona, but I don't feel she can disappear into a character.

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The problem that I'm having with this news is that the audience today is a lot more advanced than they were 40 years ago. On the one hand, this means that people will generally understand that these are TV shows and they'll roll with some punches (Superman appearing on TV and in films, played by two different actors, in stories that are completely unrelated to each other). On the other hand, it means that you really can't pull off a recasting without it being a brutal and jarring transition.

Casting Erica Durance on Supergirl at all is a nice way to show respect to what came before, but it will also have people thinking about Smallville and her Lois Lane nonstop. It would be hard for her to disappear into any role on that show, but it could probably happen over time. In theory. Personally, I think she's still a little too close to the Superman world right now, but that's just me.

Now, using Erica Durance for such a major recast is like a four car pileup of distractions that can't possibly help sell the story. It's like the producers created a diagram of just how rough they could make the transition for this character, and made sure to hit each point.


The thing is, they don't need Alura or Astra. I know that it was probably their ideal situation, but it couldn't work out, and no matter what they were planning, they could have gone another way. Focus on Kara's father this year. Or bring in Lara instead of Astra. Or have Clark convey the story. Or... whatever. This isn't a train that had already left the station and couldn't be rerouted. It was a train that they knew was heading for incomplete tracks, but they decided to go with it anyway. And this is a symptom of a much larger problem with the series, which is why I can't watch it anymore. They don't care about building a world or telling a story. They're not taking any of it seriously. They're delivering some half-assed garbage week after week, which has more in common with a bad Saturday morning superhero series from the late 80's than it does with a primetime superhero series today.

They have access to great, iconic characters that most writers would kill to work with, and they don't even give a damn. It's irritating.

But I'm already done with the show. There's an alternate version in my head, which I hear is going to cross over with The Flash for a musical. It's going to be epic... but still in my head. smile

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Informant wrote:

The problem that I'm having with this news is that the audience today is a lot more advanced than they were 40 years ago. On the one hand, this means that people will generally understand that these are TV shows and they'll roll with some punches (Superman appearing on TV and in films, played by two different actors, in stories that are completely unrelated to each other). On the other hand, it means that you really can't pull off a recasting without it being a brutal and jarring transition.

See, I'm partially this.  I don't think I have any visual memory of the previous actress.  So they could've gone out in Vancouver or LA and found a handful of obscure actresses who could've played the part, and I might not have noticed.  By picking an actress that I recognize, they're going to make the change noticeable.  That's the only thing that's weird about it for me.

I don't know if Erica warrants a season-long role as a major villain, but she could play a guest villain (the way fellow Smallville alum Laura Vandervoort played Indigo).  Someone new that she could make her own.

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As much as I hate the writing on the show, part of me would love to see Erica's Lois Lane sparring with Calista Flockhart's Cat Grant.

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The other option could be that Durance is playing a younger Alura and Astra and they'll use makeup to take a decade off her face.

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Semi-related note:

Remember how I mentioned that I was playing around with a Supergirl pilot script because there were times when I was sitting around and I was bored? It started on my phone, but moved to my computer as I was working on other stuff. I dropped it for a while, because I had other life stuff going on, but I picked it back up within the past week or two because I had some free time.

My little dinky pilot project that was just for fun is now at 86 pages (and counting). I think I've taken this too far. smile

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http://www.superherohype.com/news/40310 … ard-dragon

Arrow has added two pretty great genre actors as villains - Kirk Acevedo and LOST's Michael Emerson.  I'm pretty psyched.

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Don't know how many episodes they've got planned for Legends season three, but a regular season order could see Professor Stein absent from the last half:

http://deadline.com/2017/09/bernadette- … 202162008/

I guess they could potentially get around it by having Firestorm stuck in hero mode and Garber phoning in voice overs.

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I doubt they'll be having a full season, with all of the shows that the CW has for midseason. Garber has been on a number of other shows during his time on Legends, so he probably has a flexible schedule built into his contract. Legends is what he does for money in between real jobs.

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Legends usually does less than a full order, but they could also have someone "kidnap" Stein and force Jackson to be a "hero without his powers" for an extended period.

Or, like they did with Robbie Amell, they could simply transfer the other half of Firestorm to a new character and kill Stein off.

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TF right again!

http://www.superherohype.com/news/40603 … n#/slide/1

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Well, that's just great. We've lost our Professor Arturo, our Dr. Wells, our Temporal Flux. We've lost Dad.

... good thing LEGENDS is a very silly ensemble show that doesn't really depend on dramatics to be entertaining?

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One thing that made no sense to me in THE FLASH's third season -- why in God's name did they replace Harry with the fairly useless HR? I understand that there was no narrative reason to justify Harry staying on Earth 1, but it would have been better to shift Tom Cavanagh over to LEGENDS or ARROW for a season rather than keep him on THE FLASH but give him no meaningful role to play.

Recently, I was listening to Tom Cavanagh's podcast, MIKE AND TOM EAT SNACKS -- and Tom's podcast persona, his real life personality -- it's basically the HR character: a ridiculously gregarious exaggerator of absurd passion for the most mundane and minute elements of life (in the podcast, it's junk food) to the point of spending 30 - 40 minutes discussing a single potato chip product in needless detail and applying human characteristics to a snack.

So, I guess Season 3 was the show letting Tom Cavanagh play himself for a year.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

Or, like they did with Robbie Amell, they could simply transfer the other half of Firestorm to a new character and kill Stein off.

Guggenheim posts the cover pages of scripts on Twitter, and the cover for Legends episode 5 ("Return of the Mack") had blood splatter on it.  Could be a hint to Stein's fate.

As for where to go without Stein, it would be interesting to see them refer back to how it was handled when Jason Rusch first became Firestorm.  Jason became Firestorm when he was caught in the explosion as Ronnie Raymond died in Firestorm form; and as a result, Jason had no partner.   To become Firestorm, Jason could use *anyone* as his partner with or without their permission - ranging from an 8 year old girl to Superman.  The interesting thing is that Jason didn't always end up being the dominant personality as Firestorm - it depended on the person he merged with.

They've sort of established this already with Jax as he had no partner originally but just adapted to Stein.   If the full Firestorm matrix transfers to Jax, then theoretically he could continue to adapt to have anyone as his partner.  And if they go this route, we could end up with all sorts of interesting combos such as a passive Captain Cold voice in Jax's head or even a dominant Heat Wave as Firestorm with Jax along for the ride.

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I'm not sure what to do with Legends, with or without Stein. Somehow, they've manged to take several solid characters from the different shows, and completely destroy them on this mess of a series. Sara is no longer Sara. Firestorm has zero cool factor anymore. I can see why Victor Garbor would want out.

I hope that they don't kill him. They set up an out for him, and they should take it. I still think it was a mistake to kill off Ronnie so soon. It'd be nice if Stein could appear on The Flash from time to time. I'm not sure there is a point in trying to figure out what they will do about Jax. He is barely used as Firestorm anyway.

Legends should be such a fun comic book show. Instead, it's like a production that a fourth grader would put on in their basement.



On the topic of HR, I kinda liked him. I like that he got to be a different kind of smart, and one that Harrison couldn't relate to at all. I thought it was interesting, because TV shows usually make their "smart" characters smart in every way. If they're good hackers, that means that they're good at building gadgets, etc. It makes no sense. It's nice to see a different type of use for a brain that is still naturally brilliant.

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I can't imagine there's any way they'd kill Stein after the Legends premiere.  Let him go home and enjoy his life....he's done enough.

I do think the show needs an older person.  And I'm still trying to figure out what, if anything, their plan is for Rip.  He doesn't seem to have any consistency.  The Time Bureau is a cool idea, but Rip shouldn't be a foil to the Legends.  If anything, in 5 years, someone should've wrestled control of the Bureau and Rip is trying to get the Legends to help him take back control.

And I'm torn on the concept in general because I like the team (for the most part), but I'm very tired of the time travel angle.  I almost wish they'd decide to go into outer space for a year or do something outlandish (settle in some town where supervillains run everything or spend a whole season on Earth 2).  I know the show isn't going to be an anthology show, but it could be an anthology-like show where they change up the concept each year.

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I hope the Flash is going through a reboot of the Barry character and not something more devious.  If he's truly passed all the crap from his past and he's ready to just be fun again, I honestly don't care about how they got here.  Getting out of the Speed Force Prison didn't make any sense, and him snapping out of it didn't make any sense.  But I hope it's all real, and Barry is just going to be an optimistic guy from here on out.

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I agree with Slider_Quinn21 that "The Flash Reborn" (hmm) didn't make much sense, but it was effective as a means of stepping away from some of Season 3's excesses (hmm). I didn't feel Caitlin was well-served by Season 3 which gave her an evil alternate personality for no real reason and this episode has made it a more interesting conflict while restoring Caitlin to our helpful, lively scientist. It was also a relief to see Barry more lighthearted after his angsty misery of Season 3 that seemed better suited to Oliver Queen than Barry Allen. It was a fun episode.

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LEGENDS was also a lot of fun for me. On one level, I think it's strange to criticize LEGENDS time travel adventures with the view that you're bored with time travel. On another, it's fair to note that LEGENDS has an extremely repetitive formula for time travel: they enter an unfamiliar time period, get attacked by the locals and so it goes. The character arcs have been extremely shallow and when characters actually change, it's abrupt and jarring. Rip Hunter went from respecting the Legends to dismissing them between the Season 2 finale and the Season 3 premiere, for example.

I don't expect a lot from LEGENDS. It's a dumping ground for characters from ARROW and FLASH who have nowhere else to go; it's much more humour oriented. Sara working at Bed, Bath and Beyond was hilarious; Ray being a glorified intern because Felicity destroyed PalmerTech was very funny. It's a low bar. I really enjoy the running joke of Sara's absurd sex life.

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ireactions wrote:

I don't expect a lot from LEGENDS. It's a dumping ground for characters from ARROW and FLASH who have nowhere else to go; it's much more humour oriented. Sara working at Bed, Bath and Beyond was hilarious; Ray being a glorified intern because Felicity destroyed PalmerTech was very funny. It's a low bar.

I think this is the key to getting much out of Legends.  It's all very "on the surface" enjoyment.  If you try and go any deeper ("why is Rip acting like that?" "what is Sara's sexual orientation again?") then I think the series sort of falls apart.

And that's why I think I'd rather just abandon the time travel aspect and have it function as a dumping ground (like you said) for ideas and concepts and characters that don't make sense in the other shows.  Legends could be used to explain the continuity errors that happen from show to show, explain why team-ups happen randomly for small matters and then aren't happening for bigger matters, deal with what minor heroes/villains are doing when they aren't on the "bigger" Arrowverse stages, etc.

But, yeah, if they're going to stick with the time travel concept, I would like it to be less formulaic.  Even with the lower bar.

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I wasn't a huge fan of where we left off with Caitlin this week. Last year was about the struggle between these two extreme versions of her. Normal Caitlin is so buttoned up and good, and Killer Frost is everything opposite of that. So when we left her in the finale and she seemed to be finding a way to bring those two extremes into one balanced person, I was pretty intrigued. Good Caitlin, but with an edge and probably with her powers. Seeing how she was dressed, I thought that this is what we were getting.

But now if looks like we are back to where we were last season, with the two halves competing. Why repeat that?


As for Legends... Yeah, you can't think about it too much. Ray should still be super rich and able to do whatever he wants. Sara should have probably just gone back to Team Arrow. Maybe this season could have been about Ray keeping the team together as an international super spy company, with Rip coming in and out of the picture to recruit them as needed.

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Informant wrote:

Ray should still be super rich and able to do whatever he wants. Sara should have probably just gone back to Team Arrow. Maybe this season could have been about Ray keeping the team together as an international super spy company, with Rip coming in and out of the picture to recruit them as needed.

The whole "Ray working as a lowly worker for some bratty kid" thing was funny, but it makes no sense.  Just because Felicity destroyed his company doesn't mean that he wouldn't still be very-much in demand. 

The problem I have is that, since this show is the "Agents of Shield" of the Arrowverse, is any of their *months* back in the real world ever going to be referenced again?  Will the fact that Sara was living in Star City be referenced?  Will Nate's time as Wally's sidekick be referenced (and if he wants to be a superhero, why pick one that has a Flash)?  Are we ever going to get a scene where Felicity has to apologize for, essentially, starting Ray's career over at square one?

I know these shows function better when the "shared" aspect is more used for fun (like Wally showing up), but it ends up being more distracting for me.  Was Wally helping Nate pre-Barry or post-Barry?  Was the six months that Sara was in Star City before or after or during the Arrow that aired last night?

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Nope. They rarely reference the months or years that they're sometimes stranded in different times. And that's a problem. Even if the show if supposed to be wacky fun, the writers should still be taking their work seriously. They aren't though.

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Well, it's weird because they seem on social media like they're working together.  They obviously have to coordinate for the crossover event.  Even something like using Keiynan Lonsdale for his one scene on Legends would take coordination between the two shows.

But it seems like they don't really even care outside of that.  It seemed so coordinated at first, but now it just seems lazy.  Like the Legends writers want to have a scene in Central City so they ask for a character....someone picks Wally....and then someone rubber stamps it. 

It doesn't even need to be anything big....just minor dialogue would make a world of difference.  "Hey, thanks for working the streets for Team Kid Flash, Nate.  You've been a big help since Flash left." or something.  After that, we know why Nate is even bothering to be a superhero in a town that already has several, and we know, generally, what time period it takes place in relative to the other shows.

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Legends and Supergirl both suffer from writers who don't take their job seriously. That's why I gave up on Supergirl. Right now, I'm just pretending that Legends takes place in another universe. Somewhere in the Arrow universe is a Sara Lance that wasn't ruined.

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Watched Arrow. I think it was a pretty weak premiere, and unnecessarily so. The five month time jump happened because the show needs to line up with all of the others. It didn't serve this story at all, and the slow trickle of plot killed every ounce of drama and tension on the show. Characters were specifically dancing around facts that they knew but we didn't, and it shouldn't have been that way. This episode should have picked up directly after the finale, with Oliver rushing to find survivors. William tagging along and kinda bonding with Oliver in that moment, instead of Oliver deciding to leave his kid alone on an island that has proven itself to be about as safe as Team Arrow's lair.


Oliver and Felicity. Why? When did this seem like a good idea?

Thea in a coma... I guess it's better than killing her off, but if she can't breathe by herself after five months, I'm guessing that there isn't much brain activity. But it's a TV coma, so I guess it doesn't have to make sense.

I kinda wish that Sara was back on Arrow this year. Having Dinah face off against an evil Laurel is nowhere near as cool as it would be to have Sara fighting her. Maybe they should have put Dinah on Legends for a while and kept Sara on Arrow.

And speaking of Dinah, does anyone else get weird vibes when she and Diggle go on missions together? I swear it looked like they were going to kiss at one point this week, and I hope they're not planning to go there.

The directing was also off this week. A lot of the blocking was just clunky and awkward, and at times it seemed like characters were specifically working around the camera, rather than living in that scene.

I hope the season picks up. The three seasons that we've had of the show so far have been pretty entertaining. I'd hate to see the fourth season of this show turn out as bad as some of those horrible fan films that I saw between season 2 and last year's long-delayed season 3.

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Informant wrote:

I kinda wish that Sara was back on Arrow this year. Having Dinah face off against an evil Laurel is nowhere near as cool as it would be to have Sara fighting her.

I didn't even think of that.  Does Sara even know that Laurel is there?  Wouldn't she want to be in the group that tries to "save" Laurel?  Wouldn't she need to be there for her father after shooting Laurel?

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You would think. But they've essentially killed off the Sara that we knew on Arrow. The version on Legends might as well be an alternate universe Sara at this point.

They made a mess with Legends, and it's getting every other show dirty.

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The more I think about it, the more you're right.  I think Sara needs to be on Arrow this year.  I don't know if they'd need to move Dinah to Legends, but one of them could probably go.

Caitlin would actually be an interesting character to move to Legends after Stein leaves.  In a perfect world, that'd allow someone like Felicity to move to Flash, but that's another can of worms to open.

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Did the Arrowverse get rid of the intro voiceovers?  I know for sure that there wasn't one in Supergirl, but I don't remember hearing them in Flash or Legends either.  Can anyone confirm?

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Iris had one on the premiere of The Flash, I think. I don't recall any others.

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I did read that Stephen Amell said that there was going to be a new one for season six, but he couldn't say because it was a spoiler.  I'm assuming it was the identity thing.

Supergirl's was really plain, and Legends never took theirs seriously.  Arrow's was the first one, and Flash seems to do the most with it.  So if they wanted to keep theirs, that's fine, but the other two can go.

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http://www.superherohype.com/news/40636 … p#/slide/1

This is the *only* mention of Bruce Wayne in any WB/CW superhero show, right?  Is the Bat-Embargo going away?