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I think the fear for quite some time was that the public would hoard and panic buy masks worse than they would otherwise, taking them from the front line healthcare, first responder, grocery, warehouse, restaurant, and cleaning workers who need them far more.  You have Amazon and supermarket workers walking out still due to lack of protection.  The last thing we need is for every dope who wants masks to go shopping to flood the market for them. 

The real question, in say a month or so, is will they tell everyone to continue wearing masks through the rest of the year to prevent future waves of the virus until the vaccines come?

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The Wisconsin election is on, the Governor doesn't have the authority to stop it.

I'd try to look at this defeat as a teachable moment along with why it's unwise to elect an idiot to run a country out of spite.

Also, I wish Temporal Flux would go into politics. We're on opposite ends politically, but TF is a problem solver.

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Over in the world of TV, showrunners for SUPERNATURAL and the Arrowverse are assuring fans that they will finish filming the current seasons of their shows when it's safe to do so, implying that in a few weeks or months, all will be back to normal. It is unwise to affix an end date to a crisis when the factors are so unclear. Lockdowns and social distancing work; I saw family members in China commit to a course of isolation and gradually, the infection rates peaked and fell. But the numbers go up every day because tests are reporting infections that happened before the isolation measures began. In addition, the implementation of quarantine measures has been scattershot and inconsistent across the globe.

The pandemic will end, but people who declare it'll be over within two weeks or four weeks or two months are only setting themselves up for disappointment. We need to believe that it will end while accepting that we don't know when that end is coming. It won't take a year. But it also won't be over by next week.

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It's the modern GOP in full view.  They don't want people voting.  Democracy is dead.

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Ugh, all this doom and gloom.  I don't know why, but the left is really prone to hyperbole. 

Democracy isn't dead.  And if it is going to die, it won't be because conservatives won.  It will be because, without a major shift in ideology, it will be virtually impossible for a conservative to win an election.

I don't consider myself Democrat or Republican.  I'm disappointed in both parties.  The Republicans have sold their soul in a desperate attempt to hold on to whatever time they have left, and the Democrats have shown themselves to be woefully impotent.  I don't know why the Republicans got in line behind Trump, many of whom seemed to hate him a couple of years ago.  Lindsay Graham said that Trump would be the end of the Republican party, and now he supports him.  I understand why they want to consolidate their efforts and be one cohesive unit, but they had a chance to dump him and get behind a true conservative (Pence) and they didn't take it.  Maybe they thought insurrection was more deadly than lies.  I don't know.

But I don't think everyone was pied pipered.  I don't think people like Ted Cruz and Lindsay Graham changed their tunes.  I think, as always, they're playing politics.  And I think when this is all said and done, a lot of people are going to have massive regrets.  But we've given our politicians so much power and so much wealth, and they're doing everything they can to hold on to it.

Both parties have made massive mistakes.  The Republicans have refused to change.  They only appeal to middle class+ white people.  For a long time, that was enough.  Help the middle class and upper class whites stay on top.  But demographics are changing.  I'm not kidding when I say that Texas will go blue and very soon.  And when the Democrats have California, Texas, and New York, it's over.  There's no path to victory for any Republican.  And as demographics continue to shift, I think it's realistic to say that Republicans will get fewer than 100 electoral votes in every election without a major shift in ideology.

The Democrats mistake was thinking that the shift already happened.  We saw it in 2016 https://www.newsweek.com/will-republica … ain-483751 - this was a real thing.  And I think that's why the Democrats didn't take 2016 seriously.  It's why they just got in line behind Hillary and didn't do anything to 1) stop her or 2) help her.  Hillary was determined to get the presidency and no one got in her way.  But who cares?  The Republicans couldn't win.  So let Hillary have her day and they could move on in 2024.  The shift was done, and there wasn't anything anyone could do about it.  That's why they didn't even campaign in certain states that flipped.  Why go for the safe victory when they could humiliate Trump instead?  Why campaign when you can just throw lavish parties and hang out with Jay-Z?

If the Democrats want to win in 2020, they can.  They just need to get their head out of their ass.  Stop infighting.  Vote for the candidate that wins the primary.  And the Newsweek article will just become a fact.  And once that happens, the Republican Party is going to have to do some soul searching and realize that their ideology sucks and needs to be re-examined.  There's nothing wrong with conservatism, and unchecked liberalism isn't what this country needs.  But it can't just be a white party and have any hope of winning.

Hillary was a terrible candidate who ran a terrible campaign.  And she won by 3 million votes.  It's virtually impossible for the Democrats to lose the popular vote, and soon enough, it will be impossible for them to lose the electoral college.  So stop feeling sorry for yourself, stop looking for crooks and cheaters, and just do the work.

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Grizzlor, please stop saying democracy is dead. Democracy is in a fight. And nobody ever won a fight by giving up.

EDITED TO ADD: That's a request, not a demand.

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What happened in Wisconsin today was a prelude to November.  Tons of even blue states cannot handle an all-mail in ballot election in November.  Republicans have stacked the courts.  They will prevent changes to election laws to combat this virus and allow people to vote safely.  You can't even protest because they'll fine you for not social distancing.

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You know, imagining a solution to a problem is in itself an act of revolution.

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Grizzlor wrote:

What happened in Wisconsin today was a prelude to November.  Tons of even blue states cannot handle an all-mail in ballot election in November.  Republicans have stacked the courts.  They will prevent changes to election laws to combat this virus and allow people to vote safely.  You can't even protest because they'll fine you for not social distancing.

So people will go vote.  They'll wear masks and gloves.  They'll wash their hands and won't touch their face.  By November, we'll have eight months of social distancing figured out - especially in blue states that are taking this more seriously than red ones.  If mail in doesn't work, early voting doesn't.  If early voting doesn't work, people will risk it.  It's too important to just let Trump win.

But if you want to just let Trump win, I'm sure he'd appreciate it.

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Personally, I am glad that the Supreme Court upheld the decision to hold an election in the midst of a pandemic and force people to vote in person if they didn't receive their mail-in ballots even if they'd already signed up for them.

It shows anti-Trump voters exactly what they need to anticipate in November and gives them months to work out how to prepare for what will not be in any way a shocking surprise. It's seeing the iceberg before your ship is even out of the dock.

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Exactly.  People that can will know they need to plan ahead and early vote.  People that can will know they need to get their mail-in ballots way ahead of time.  People that struggle with getting off work to early vote can try to make some sort of arrangement to get out early.  People that can't do any of that will need to plan ahead.

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Also, I don't think Slider_Quinn21 -- or I -- are saying that victory is a foregone conclusion (because it's not) or that Trump couldn't possibly win a second term (because he could) or that Republicans won't succeed in reducing voter turnout across the board (because they might) or that the Democrats won't destroy their own platform and campaign like they did in 2016 (because they've done it before).

But it is possible to defeat Trump. There is no certainty. But there is a chance and to declare that there isn't is as naive and foolish as declaring that it'll all work out with no effort or attention. Giving up never accomplished anything. And if Trump wins a second term, even more commitment will be needed.

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ireactions wrote:

Also, I don't think Slider_Quinn21 -- or I -- are saying that victory is a foregone conclusion (because it's not) or that Trump couldn't possibly win a second term (because he could) or that Republicans won't succeed in reducing voter turnout across the board (because they might) or that the Democrats won't destroy their own platform and campaign like they did in 2016 (because they've done it before).

But it is possible to defeat Trump. There is no certainty. But there is a chance and to declare that there isn't is as naive and foolish as declaring that it'll all work out with no effort or attention. Giving up never accomplished anything. And if Trump wins a second term, even more commitment will be needed.

I cosign this.  Trump can absolutely win, but he's absolutely beatable.  When I say "there's no path to victory", I'm absolutely leaving open the possibility that the Democrats (or something else) can create one for him.  Maybe Trump's hydroxychloroquine bet pays off and it actually cures coronavirus and this is all finished by November.  That kind of gambit could actually get the country behind him and solidify his support.  I don't think that will happen, but I can't 100% dismiss it.

What I'm saying is that if the Democrats do what they can, I just don't see it for Trump.  Is it going to be hard?  Yes.  Trump and the Republicans are going to do their best to snuff out the vote because it's their best chance.  They can't win the election fairly, and they know it.  Russia is going to do what they can to get Trump re-elected.  The media will play their part.  And the virus isn't going to help.

But the math is on the Democratic side.  For every person who can't vote because of the virus or who gets cheated out of their right to vote, someone else is going to have to step up that didn't vote in 2016 for whatever reason.  People that can't hold their nose for Biden are going to have to be replaced by people who couldn't hold their nose and vote for Hillary.  The people are there.  I believe the country leans Democratic (if not necessarily liberal), and that Democratic non-voters outweigh Republican non-voters.

And let's be honest.  A lot of Biden votes aren't going to be scared off by the virus.  They are out working right now.  They're risking their health every day at work, and they're not going to think twice about going to the polls.  Trump votes both sway older and sway white collar.  They're both more at risk and more likely to have avoided the virus completely.  They come from states that are more lax on social distancing and restrictions.

That's why I say Democrats have to go to work.  There's work to be done.  If this is as important to Democratic voters as I think it is, they'll come through.  And if they do, there's not a damn thing Trump can do about it.

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Bernie Sanders has ended his campaign today. 

As for Trump, he's in disapproval on his handling of all this.  It also came out that he has a financial stake in the drug company producing hydroxychloroquine, to everyone's shock, ha ha.

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Biden's speechwriters wrote a respectful and beautiful message from Biden to Sanders: https://medium.com/@JoeBiden/statement- … e128a935ac

As someone who ghostwrites lots of stuff for people, I know that we should all be mature adults and recognize that oratory and rhetoric is carefully crafted by a team of specialists and calculated down to the last comma, but I still really admire the artistry there and the intent even if Biden is a dim dinosaur and a Republican in a Democrat's suit.

But I suppose this is what must be done when you seek to be a majoritarian political party that has some hope of acquiring power as opposed to being an ideological cult of symbolic and empty gestures.

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Trump immediately went back to the well of Dems screwed Bernie, Elizabeth Warren screwed Bernie, blah blah blah, join the Republican Party.  Good Lord Twitter was as toxic as Chernobyl today after this news.  Frankly the behavior of these lunatics only serve to embarrass Sen. Sanders and just about everything he's ever stood for. 

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As I have written multiple times, the fact that Bernie went from 2/5th's support in the party to 1/3rd in four years was quite telling.  Honestly, like Trump, his percentage in 2016 may well have been a result of the opponent, Hillary Clinton.  This never Trumper columnist Tim Miller wrote a fairly sarcastic and in some ways scathing and disrespectful analysis of the loss for Bernie.

https://thebulwark.com/bernie-sanders-d … ts-own-bs/

While I don't particularly like his tone, he IS a Republican, so he's no Bernie fan.  He did mirror my assessment here.  Social Media on the left was staunchly backing Bernie, overwhelmingly over any other candidate.  His campaign stops generated larger crowds, with more volunteers and more small donations online.  All of that was a great accomplishment by his campaign.  However, unlike Trump in 2016, they failed to parlay that into votes. 

Why?  Well Trump did two very critical things.  First, he stomped his way into the race by spewing nationalism, which endeared him to those on the right who were sick of the establishment.  As time went on, he brilliantly co-opted economic populism, drawing in disaffected voters who often watched/listened to right wing media, but rarely participated.  It's kinda difficult to go vote for candidates when that media demonizes pretty much all of them, in both parties.  That coalition was 40-45% early on in the primary, with Trump eventually pushing over 50% as other GOP voters saw him gain steam.  Obviously now he's a deity with them.

Enter Bernie, who never got about 30-35%.  Well, that's about all you have on the uber progressive left.  Perhaps give him some of Warren's support, which was not all ultra liberal, and he gets above 40% in the 2-way but little more.  His campaign targeted youth voters, as well as those of color, and that was about it.  Crowd sizes and social media chatter do not equal votes.  They counted on vastly increasing youth turnout, a historic folly.  Turn out among that demographic was DOWN in 2020 primaries over 2016! 

What really did him in?  Well, he refused to give an inch.  It was either 100% BERN, or nothing.  That is a loser in national politics, and always will be.  You MUST come back to the center, it's the only way.  It cost Warren, and she was not as far left as Bernie.  When estimates began coming out for his Medicare for All at literally nonsensical figures, it was dead in the water.  Warren couldn't even give numbers for her plan.  The other candidates attacked, and voters said, huh, wait a second? 

This might not mean much to some, but Bernie is NOT a Democrat, Joe Biden IS.  Bernie remains an Independent as a Senator, not a Democrat.  He hasn't been seen at the forefront of Democrat-backed and signed legislation the way Biden has been.  Or how Elizabeth Warren burst onto the scene during the financial mess of a decade ago.  She served in Obama's cabinet. 

I really take offense at the Bernie Bro bashing of the DNC, as if the donor class of elites or some shit handed this primary to Biden.  Biden stepped in last summer, and was immediately the polling leader.  He slipped during the winter, no question, but while the media legit ignored him, he raised little money, and was expected to disappear.  He did not, and why?  None of the other moderates succeeded in closing the deal themselves, but it all came back to Trump.  There is a clear (and LARGE) majority of Democratic voters, NOT donors or elites, but voters, who went to Biden.  They're not the ones on Twitter railing endlessly about Trump, they are in fact, the ones who show up and vote.  That's what gets it done at the end of the day.  Biden ran one of the most simplistic if minimalist campaigns I've ever seen.  He made it clear, I will beat Trump, and I will stop the damage he has done to the government, its institutions, and America's standing in the world.  I will staff our federal agencies with good people like Obama did, unlike Trump's skeleton crew of acting whatevers.  Bernie Sanders never shifted to gain the preference of what are 2/3 nearly of the Democratic electorate, mostly those over the age of 30-35, and particularly those above 60.  They weren't interested in megolithic government programs.  They want the Trump nightmare to end.  They are shell-shocked by it.  They just want it to end.  They view Biden as decent, caring, and trustworthy, the antithesis of the Donald.

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Yeah.  I agree with Bernie on a lot.  I've actually been (mostly) converted to believing in Medicare for All.  I think young Americans need help with student loans.  I like a lot of the Green New Deal.  But I think asking for all of that is too much right now.  Let's CTRL-ALT-DELETE on the government, get a fresh start with four years of Biden, and then we can try and do better on some social issues.  I think Biden can stop the bleeding on some key areas (including some social stuff and climate change), but I think it's just a little greedy to try and get a facelift while the doctors are trying to save your life.

I think Bernie walked so that someone like AOC could run.  But it was just the wrong time.  Bernie had almost 80 years to do a revolution.  He waited too long and, like Grizzlor said, didn't compromise enough.

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I've come to accept that politics is the art of the possible with a majoritarian doctrine. It is the practice of determining what ideas can be the most broadly accepted among the widest range of people even if that range encompasses people with views that are irreconcilable. Biden's bland emptiness, his stance for nothing, his Republican values in Democrat marketing could be viewed as a hollow shell -- or it could be seen as molding clay in all its versatile flexibility. Broadly, people want life to be affordable.

Sanders is right, in my view, about pretty much everything, but when you try to do everything in politics -- which again, is the art of the possible -- you accomplish nothing. That said, if you try to stay blandly acceptable to most if not all, then all you accomplish is maintaining what already exists. But, to re-re-requote James Carville Jr., an election is about acquiring political power and if a political party can't acquire political party, it isn't a political party as much as an ideological cult of talking points and that's what Sanders is.

Sanders was willfully hostile towards allies he'd need, dismissive towards segments of voters that he'd yet to win over, and ultimately incapable of being bland enough to win over a wide range of people. He's that cranky, brilliant uncle who's fun at parties but tough to deal with one-on-one. In contrast, Biden is a tender grandfather who will listen to you describe the death of a family member and weep with you and hold you (and forget to ask for permission to do so), but he's also a member of the ruling class who would like to see his status maintained with minimal disruption.

That's not the leader I want, but it's possible that he's the leader that we can get and work with for this very specific moment in history.

But of course, I support Transmodiar voting for Andrew Yang.

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You can't even get close to passing 1/1,000th of Bernie's gift list without control of Congress.  The GOP is against every single thing Bernie stands for, and with him on the top of the ticket, the Democrats lose Congress.  That is what freaked the party rank and file out the most.  Republicans spent a decade plus winning state elections, that gave them favorable gerrymandered districts, and locked in the House majority.  You have to win before you can try to push an agenda.

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Slate.com on why Biden's blandness is so appealing and why Trump running rings around Biden might just make Biden look like a good choice for the Oval Office:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 … a=taps_top

The greatest example of Biden’s indestructability—the biggest attack that didn’t take—was Trump’s own effort to extort Ukraine to “open” an investigation into Biden. It’s hard to appreciate in hindsight how colossally that gambit failed, but fail it did. Trump got himself impeached trying to smear Biden! And it cost Biden virtually nothing politically.

“Look, it’s simple,” he told the New York Times before the Iowa caucuses, laughing. “They’re smearing me to try to stop me, and they know if I’m the nominee, I’m going to beat Donald Trump like a drum.”

In political terms, Biden is an inert gas. His main superpower—and I think it really might be one in this landscape—is that he doesn’t come across as reactive.

Despite his occasional outbursts of temper (which no doubt help him scan as “authentic”), the former vice-president is intriguingly immune to the personal grudges around which Trump builds his entire politics. Sure, there’s a more complicated version of him, but Biden telegraphs as the definition of a nice, normal guy. That’s why Barack Obama picked him to be his running mate, after all.

Despite Trump’s efforts to extort a U.S. ally to manufacture a smear against him, Biden offered to call Trump on the phone to help him deal with the pandemic. The (meaningless) phone call happened, and Biden—whose idea it was—set the terms for the tone and won. Biden calling Trump “very gracious” is meaningless (this is what a nice guy persona does for you), but Trump describing his call with Biden as a “wonderful, warm conversation” notched Biden an immense moral victory.

He just doesn’t seem to take things personally, and while that was a perfectly ordinary quality among politicians at one point, it might be operating as a real political asset in a landscape where the president punishes people who criticize him by denying them lifesaving equipment.

Biden doesn’t just rise above. He floats so high you can barely see him. There’s no reading a country, and one hesitates to invoke the silent majority, but judging by Biden’s numbers, an ability to take punches without striking back is a quality many Americans seem to miss. And because he’s known for gaffes—yet another inoculation!—he doesn’t get punished for saying things other politicians might take real heat for.

His challenge was to run against the biggest, loudest media hog in the history of American politics, and he has met that challenge by barely appearing at all—and by making his appeals so mild you don’t even remember what they were.

A Biden tweet asking for donations is almost comically opposed to Trump’s screaming appeals to destroy the enemy. “Folks, I know these are tough times, but this crisis has made it clearer than ever how much elections matter—and what a difference it makes who is in the White House. If you can, please chip in to fuel our campaign. I would really appreciate it.” I can’t believe this is the strategy in a political landscape based on gun-to-your-head rhetoric. But there it is: The tone isn’t DONATE NOW TO SAVE THE REPUBLIC; it’s “if you can, please chip in.”

This is why people like Biden. Transmodiar is right to say that Trump is very heavily armed, but Biden is fundamentally disarming.

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ireactions wrote:

Slate.com on why Biden's blandness is so appealing and why Trump running rings around Biden might just make Biden look like a good choice for the Oval Office:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 … a=taps_top

The greatest example of Biden’s indestructability—the biggest attack that didn’t take—was Trump’s own effort to extort Ukraine to “open” an investigation into Biden. It’s hard to appreciate in hindsight how colossally that gambit failed, but fail it did. Trump got himself impeached trying to smear Biden! And it cost Biden virtually nothing politically.

“Look, it’s simple,” he told the New York Times before the Iowa caucuses, laughing. “They’re smearing me to try to stop me, and they know if I’m the nominee, I’m going to beat Donald Trump like a drum.”

In political terms, Biden is an inert gas. His main superpower—and I think it really might be one in this landscape—is that he doesn’t come across as reactive.

Despite his occasional outbursts of temper (which no doubt help him scan as “authentic”), the former vice-president is intriguingly immune to the personal grudges around which Trump builds his entire politics. Sure, there’s a more complicated version of him, but Biden telegraphs as the definition of a nice, normal guy. That’s why Barack Obama picked him to be his running mate, after all.

Despite Trump’s efforts to extort a U.S. ally to manufacture a smear against him, Biden offered to call Trump on the phone to help him deal with the pandemic. The (meaningless) phone call happened, and Biden—whose idea it was—set the terms for the tone and won. Biden calling Trump “very gracious” is meaningless (this is what a nice guy persona does for you), but Trump describing his call with Biden as a “wonderful, warm conversation” notched Biden an immense moral victory.

He just doesn’t seem to take things personally, and while that was a perfectly ordinary quality among politicians at one point, it might be operating as a real political asset in a landscape where the president punishes people who criticize him by denying them lifesaving equipment.

Biden doesn’t just rise above. He floats so high you can barely see him. There’s no reading a country, and one hesitates to invoke the silent majority, but judging by Biden’s numbers, an ability to take punches without striking back is a quality many Americans seem to miss. And because he’s known for gaffes—yet another inoculation!—he doesn’t get punished for saying things other politicians might take real heat for.

His challenge was to run against the biggest, loudest media hog in the history of American politics, and he has met that challenge by barely appearing at all—and by making his appeals so mild you don’t even remember what they were.

A Biden tweet asking for donations is almost comically opposed to Trump’s screaming appeals to destroy the enemy. “Folks, I know these are tough times, but this crisis has made it clearer than ever how much elections matter—and what a difference it makes who is in the White House. If you can, please chip in to fuel our campaign. I would really appreciate it.” I can’t believe this is the strategy in a political landscape based on gun-to-your-head rhetoric. But there it is: The tone isn’t DONATE NOW TO SAVE THE REPUBLIC; it’s “if you can, please chip in.”

This is why people like Biden. Transmodiar is right to say that Trump is very heavily armed, but Biden is fundamentally disarming.

My guess is that Biden's campaign will simply give The Donald more than "enough rope to string himself up with."  Look, Trump cannot wait to take a victory lap.  He truly does not care who dies in the interim, not one bit.  He wants his victory lap, which will of course consist of flying around the country to rallies, and the GOP convention in Charlotte, where he will do his shtick.  The comparisons (mainly in ads) will be clear.  Trump is a crook, he is a liar, he's wreckless, and he's a poor leader.  This pandemic has illustrated the lack of leadership.  Every other day it's something else.  Arguing with reporters, the Navy Captain being relieved, insulting Governors, crowing about unproven miracle drugs, and dismissing the virus for 6 weeks.  And that's not even counting Charlottesville, Michael Cohen, Wikileaks, celebrity pardons, firing Comey, Ukraine, Giuliani, Hurricane Maria, callousness following mass shootings, betraying NATO, secret Russian meetings, and North Korea coddling.  Not to mention his attempt to start a war with Iran, that was only interrupted by the coronavirus.  There's more ammunition than you get in an session on Call of Duty.  His administration has gutted the federal government, making a response to this pandemic 50 times more difficult.  The departments are littered with acting this or that, many seasoned officials have quit or been fired.  He literally shot 300 holes in the boat, and now we're all sinking. 

The one advantage Biden has over the rest of the Dem field (including Bernie) was that he's so well known to voters he almost doesn't need to say anything.  This is what I've been saying for months.  Team Trump were most fearful of Biden's familiarity, particularly with blue collar workers, and even moreso, the Obama factor.  Barack and Michelle remain enormously popular, and people liked what they did for the country, with Joe along for the ride.  Trump, as we know, despises the first African-American family probably more than any other politicians alive. 

https://twitter.com/Sky_Lee_1/status/12 … 6075365387

Here's a great vid/GIF I saw, in which it summed up how many times Trump tweeted about his political enemies, FOX News, and himself, rather than doctors, nurses, PPE, ventilators, etc through March 13 (i.e. the period of time he should have been urging the nation to be prepared).  The man has zero empathy.  Contrast him to the magnanimous speech by Queen Elizabeth II, it's almost comical how awful he is at leading.

In many ways, I picture this being Gargamel vs. Papa Smurf.  Biden will have the best speech writers around feeding him while Trump will continue to babble from the hip.  Biden needs to massively fix his online presence and youth outreach.  He will swing to the left on most of the Bernie platform, save Medicare for All which is simply too big.  Green New Deal, free college, debt forgiving, etc, etc, he's already in on from back in the Obama administration.  His team should be hiring Bernie's team members quickly.

I am not concerned about Team Trump spewing lies and other nonsense against Biden, who's career is an open and largely moldy book at this point.  My primary concern remains the execution of the election in November.  The Republican refusal to expand Vote by Mail is my big one.  Which is hilarious considering most of their constituency is old and WANTS to vote by mail and not go to crowded polling places!

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Yeah. Some have said that Trump will completely outclass Biden in showmanship -- but Trump got himself impeached trying to dig up dirt on Biden.

Trump is terrified of Biden.

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OTOH, Hunter Biden was almost certainly up to something shady in Ukraine and Joe was instrumental in him getting involved.

If Biden makes his whole campaign about Trump, like Clinton did, he's headed for disaster.

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If Trump wants to focus on Hunter Biden, he can draw more attention to his own impeachment and I think the Biden camp happily welcome it.

The accusation is that Biden withheld aid money to Ukraine unless a Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son's company was fired. However, Biden was authorized to communicate that on behalf of the US Government which had observed this prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, was failing to investigate financial corruption; he was delivering a message and not acting on his own behalf. Shokin had filed an investigation with Burisma Holdings on which Hunter Biden was a director, but the case had been inactive for months. If Biden hadn't called for Shokin's firing, the Obama administration would have dispatched someone else to do it.

I'd be more concerned with Biden's approach to women, his plagiarism, his lies about visiting Nelson Mandela, his weird forehead bumping-nose-rubbing thing...

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Joe Biden has a podcast. Yes, that's right, Grandpa is staggering into the audio medium.

It's been two 20 minute episodes and it's ghastly but... I mean, it's like BATWOMAN. I admire the intent but the execution is clumsy and it's using freakin' Zoom. Come on! Record the voices independently and stitch it together or you'll have audio dropout and time lag, Gramps!

But to be fair, I'm as out of touch as Biden, that's why I run all my thoughts through my niece (an angry college student) before I admit to having any.

Other constructive criticisms here: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04 … etter.html

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Grizzlor wrote:

The one advantage Biden has over the rest of the Dem field (including Bernie) was that he's so well known to voters he almost doesn't need to say anything.

Aside from him being VP, what does the general public know about him? That he was a plagiarist, someone who aligned himself with segregationists, a staunch opponent of medicare policies, a habitual harrasser of women? Tara Reade filed lawsuit against him; how much media play do you think that will get?

The Biden people "know" is this aloof, kindly grandpa who still gets a burr up his butt on camera every once in a while. (When he's coherent enough on camera to make a point.) The Biden running for president, however, is the epitome of entrenched politics the voters held a referendum against in 2016. He is there to win and perpetuate the status quo, or lose and let Trump maintain the status quo. Say what you will about Sanders, but he was not interested in four more years of steering the federal ship directly into an iceberg.

Could have had Yang.

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I don't disagree with Transmodiar, but I don't wholly agree with him either. Let's say I'm adjacent. Biden's not great. Biden is an artifact of a previous era when politicians, to get anything done, had to work with people they disliked. Biden has worked to benefit South Africans against despotic regimes; he's not a racist, but he had to work with his share much in the same way Cleavant Derricks had to maintain a working relationship with David Peckinpah even after Peckinpah drove all his friends off the show and sexually harassed a treasured coworker.

Biden has been harrassing with women, but what we've seen captured on camera in video and still is not the behaviour of an assault perpetrator but instead a man of a previous generation whose attitude to women was to view them as objects -- treasured, valuable ones, but objects nonetheless.

Biden's accuser for rape has gone from the extreme of praising Biden on Twitter unbidden and with no relationship to normalize; she declared when Biden spoke on sexual harassment, "My old boss speaks the truth. Listen to him" and other lavish compliments -- until she developed a peculiar fixation on Vladimir Putin and wrote open love letters to him at which point she accused Biden of raping her and nonsensically claimed her besotted writings to Putin were "research." I would be extremely cautious about taking this person's word for anything given the extremity with which she's commited to completely contradictory views.

Biden is not a revolution. This is absolutely true, but the claim that Biden would preserve the status quo is untrue when the status quo has over 20,000 dead from a pandemic warned of in January and which the current president ignored until mid-March. This status quo has the US president seizing medical equipment from hospitals to redistribute to states with governors that have spoken well of him in the press while refusing to create any national, federally-led plan of addressing the outbreak. This president dismantled the organizations and offices designed to address a pandemic and has refused to use his office to create the supplies and equipment needed to repel it while urging that people resume rampantly spreading it in order to briefly raise his economy before another massive death toll. Trump's removal from office would change all of this immediately.

Andrew Yang was preferable. Andrew Yang is no longer running. That opportunity has passed. What is before America now is a chance to remove a dangerously incompetent man from office and replace him with an average man who will defer to medical and supply chain experts to lead efforts to treat the sick and rebuild the country. The choice is the deranged, delusional grandfather who embraces racists and quacks or the dim, Democratic-in-name-only grandfather who will accept the knowledge and experience of others. It is not a revolution. But a Biden presidency could create the ground on which Sanders, Yang and others like them could build. Another four years of Trump will see more Americans ensickened by completely preventable equipment shortages.

Supporting Biden does not refute progressivism. Supporting Biden is simply to remove Trump. One can vote for Biden and then receive the stability needed to resume advocating for Medicare For All, universal basic income, transgender rights, reproductive rights and everything else.

But regardless of our differences, I support Transmodiar voting for Yang and intending to write in Yang on his ballot and I wouldn't want anyone other than Transmodiar writing Quinn Mallory's political opinions for me.

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Well his vote like mine won't mean squat, as we live in blue states, but equating 4 years of Joe Biden, which at worst would be "Obama Lite" and another 4 years of Trump, is just not valid.  Not just from a conservative/progressive point of view, but primarily one guy has spent 3.5 lying to the public about well, everything, and one would not.  Biden's position on climate change is instantly a course correction from Orange.

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Well, I will always welcome an opinion that is stated honestly and openly and presented as the specific view of a specific person.

Whatever points of disagreement Transmodiar and I may have, he never presents his opinion as the universal default.

ME: "It's weird -- all the scenes you hated most in SLIDERS REBORN like the monsters being trounced by MacGyver-style tactics or Rembrandt losing his new Cadillac right away or the joking references to the Season 3 episodes -- they're always the readers' favourite scenes."

TRANSMODIAR: "I'm not the final arbiter of taste, good sir!"

He doesn't makes claims that are based in stark denial of audio recordings and photographs in order to bolster his personal dogma. He doesn't link to deceptively edited videos and insist they're to be taken as absolute truth. He doesn't demand that Nazis never be identified as such. He doesn't rail against people marching for women's rights and call them unlawful anarchists while insisting that anti-abortion marchers are above criticism.

He doesn't find excuses for why every cop who shoots a black man is a hero to find a semi-socially acceptable way to express racism. He doesn't misrepresent a Muslim ban as a safety measure to justify Islamophobia. He doesn't call women-only screenings of WONDER WOMAN stupid in order to couch his contempt for women.

He doesn't argue that anyone who disagrees with him is mentally ill or lying. He doesn't declare that his views are the consensus just because no one is inclined to engage in a discussion with him should that ever be the case. And he doesn't see disagreement and difference as an impediment to helping a troubled soul assemble a foolhardy twentieth anniversary special to a cult TV series to craft an ending long after everyone had stopped asking for one.

I suppose Transmodiar's view is that Biden would be incompetent in other ways, perhaps not as overtly as Trump, but inept nonetheless. But the president's job is to mount a federal response to national crisis and Trump has proven completely incapable and the death count is rising. I'm in favour of getting Biden into the White House as much as getting Trump out of it and, to me, it's more important to put out the house fire than to renovate the house. You can renovate after the flames are extinguished. I respect Transmodiar seeing it differently. I will never want anyone to cast a vote that they don't believe in.

I would argue, however, that we have to step back from thinking that voting for someone means endorsing everything they've ever or done or will ever do; sometimes, we vote against something rather than for someone.

I cannot stress enough in the name of Quinn's gray coat, Wade's purple suit, Rembrandt's bronze suit and the Professor's waistcoat that the views of ireactions do not represent the consensus of Sliders.TV.

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So, I've found Tara Reade's accusation towards Biden suspicious given her relentless praise of him on Twitter when she hadn't seen him for 14 years with her turning on him when she developed a deranged crush on Vladimir Putin and the ardent adoration she once had for Biden now went towards the Russian President and she went from extreme praise to extreme loathing for Biden.

There's another article that finds Reade's account strange, not just from what I've noted, but from looking into the political environment of 1993 in Washington and the geography of the space where Reade says Biden assaulted her. https://arcdigital.media/joe-bidens-met … d16bbe0ddd

Specifically, writer Cathy Young notes that Senators Brock Adams and Robert Packwood were accused of assault and harassment by a multitude of former staffers and lobbyists the past year. Adams gave up his re-election and Packwood's career was slowly strangled by the scandal. Living in 2020, we might think sexual assault was an unspoken, silent torment in 1993; that's certainly the reason Reade gives for not coming forward. But in reality, sexual assault had been been politically devastating front page news starting with the Anita Hill inquiry of 1991.

And Reade says she approached Biden just as he was concluding a conversation with someone in the hallway and then Biden slammed her against a wall and digitally penetrated her -- suggesting that in a year marked by the shadow of sexual assault and broken careers over being caught and accused, Biden decided to rape a woman in an open hallway of a government building where anyone could have walked by at any time.

Look, I can believe a lot. I believe that Transmodiar is reformed. I believe that Informant is not an alt-right neo-Nazi Men's Rights Activist who hates black people and women. I believe that Henry the Dog lived a long and happy life. I believe that Rembrandt came out of the vortex in "The Seer" and found Quinn, Wade and the Professor waiting for him. I believe that Jerry O'Connell came to regret abandoning SLIDERS. I believe that the Season 3 monsters have a place in the mythology. I even believe that David Peckinpah is talented. But I do not believe THIS.

As the first person here to post Tara Reade's accusation and as someone who started with the presumption that Reade was telling the truth, I do not believe the claims:

  • That reporting sexual assault was unheard of in 1993.

  • That Reade's unsolicited and constant praise for Biden on Twitter from 2016 - 2017 was Reade trying to normalize a relationship with someone she'd had no contact with for 23 years who lived in a different state.

  • That Reade's absurd, sexualized essays about the attractiveness of Vladimir Putin shirtless were taken out of context from a novel she was writing when she posted those writings on Medium of her own accord.

  • That Reade's sudden obsession with Putin was unrelated to her then accusing Biden of harassment and now assault.

  • That Joe Biden would rape a woman in the foot-traffic heavy hallway of a government building.

#BelieveWomen is a very good place to start, but it's only a starting point. We should balance that with the need to #TrustButVerify by asking questions about every area of seeming implausibility. And Reade's answers to these questions are ridiculous.

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Funny you mentioned Packwood, because he's been a highly successful lobbyist for 30 years since then!  Some punishment.

Anyways, on the election front, we still remain a joke in terms of testing, with Trump and other GOP'ers wishing to open, open, open.  This is highly troubling, as the nation's food supply remains in jeopardy.  Food processors, distributors, and supermarkets have seemingly been non-stop shutting down for days or weeks due to the virus spread.  Warehouses for all goods have been affected, but you don't hear much because it's corporations trying to keep it hush, hush. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/12/business … index.html

I think this election (should it happen) goes beyond politics, and who you may have desired to be a candidate.  As I've said multiple times, the public have the rest of the spring and then the summer, to make a final determination on granting four more years to the worst President in modern history.  "The first rule of hole digging is when you find yourself in one, stop digging."

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The management of that factory waited until 240 people were sick before they shut it down?   Around 3,700 people work at that plant; so that’s around 6% of the work force.  To give perspective under that thought, that would be like waiting until we knew 20 million + people in the US were infected before we shut it down.  I said “knew” - a certainty like that plant was looking at.  I’m not talking about the ones not known.

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Here's the problem with any sort of issue with Biden's mental capacity - if Biden is mentally incapable, there's a way to fix that problem (25th amendment).  The Republicans will *never* use it for Trump.  I think Biden would surround himself with people who would.  So if you say "Trump and Biden are the same person" - then at least let's go with the guy who has an out clause.  And even if they don't go that route and Biden stays for four years as a walking vegetable....again, Biden will fill the cabinet and the White House with responsible people.

I'm sure a number of those people will be progressives.  Some of the people we'd prefer be president would be in cabinet positions or advisory roles.  Want Andrew Yang in the White House?  He's only getting inside the doors if Trump is out.  If Yang or Mayor Pete has a high-level government position for four/eight/twelve years, then the "inexperience" argument that you saw against both those candidates goes away.

Our problem isn't all Donald Trump.  Trump put his frickin' son in law in charge of this pandemic.  He's considering firing the only expert we have left because he said something mean.  Biden would at least have doctors at the forefront.  He would at least have competent people working on this.  His cabinet would be full of people know, at least, have an idea of what they're doing.

Trump is bad.  And everyone he surrounded himself with is bad.  That's the difference.

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TemporalFlux wrote:

The management of that factory waited until 240 people were sick before they shut it down?   Around 3,700 people work at that plant; so that’s around 6% of the work force.  To give perspective under that thought, that would be like waiting until we knew 20 million + people in the US were infected before we shut it down.  I said “knew” - a certainty like that plant was looking at.  I’m not talking about the ones not known.

You're not talking about an industry that has given a crap about food safety much in the past.  Their treatment of the livestock is bad enough, cannot expect much better for the employees, many of which are immigrants.  Anytime within a corporate hierarchy, similar to what went on in China, people in the middle grow fearful of repercussions so they don't report these things.  I'm in the middle of the storm, and some supermarket chains like Shop-Rite are publicly reporting when a store's employee is sick, and there's a cleaning.  Others like Stop N Shop say nothing.  Some have built up plexiglass barricades for cashiers and provided masks and gloves, others have done nothing.  It's the wild west out there, but my point was more that because our culture has moved to centralized, megafactories for everything from food to N95 masks, we are at grave risk for massive shortages when those centralized factories go down.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12u9CLeqsXY

Joe and Bernie had a live stream today, announced 6 working task force groups that their people will work on economy, education, criminal justice, immigration, climate change, and the economy (Biden said it twice, LOL).  Basically agreed on most things.  Bernie went full-on flame over Trump.

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Watching Biden and Sanders talk today -- this is the America that I always saw from afar but couldn't always find when looking up close and certainly not from looking at Trump. Biden conveyed great respect and warmth towards Sanders and Sanders was a little off balance at first but was smiling glowingly at the end and there was a moment when Biden told Sanders that he would need Sanders' help, not merely to campaign, but to govern, and Sanders was clearly moved.

And I'm not an idiot; of course there was a bit of rehearsal and Sanders is probably choking on his wounded ego as he struggles to put country before campaign and Biden is probably sending out goodwill without necessarily having much philosophical or ideological core aside from being nice and pleasant and not taking much of anything personally and all this sentiment has been planned and manufactured but I still like it. Together, Biden and Sanders felt like two people merging to become Professor Arturo, and not the bombastic, insecure Professor of Seasons 1 - 2 but the grandfatherly, reassuring go-getter of Season 3.

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In other news, Andrew Cuomo has formed an I-95 corridor Governor group (PA, NJ, NY, CT, RI) to determine economic/social distance efforts in what seems like opposition to Trump's, which features his economic team, the Jared/Ivanka, and NO public health officials.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVgbqTxXsAA4eIn?format=jpg&name=small

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What a doofus.

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And north of the border...

Here in Canada and in my province, we have a premier (your equivalent of a state governor). Doug Ford, Premier of Ontario, was widely seen as the Canadian equivalent of Donald Trump. Ford rode into office due to widespread frustration with the Liberal Party that had been in power so long that they'd accumulated enough disappointments to piss anyone and everyone off at one point or another. Ford was, like Donald Trump, a loudmouth twit whose deceased brother Rob had been Mayor of Toronto until he inexplicably allowed himself to be filmed smoking crack cocaine in a video that was released on the internet. The only difference between Rob Ford and Doug Ford is that Doug Ford swore a little less.

Ford was an absurd, antagonistic premier from the start, saying that a tax on fossil fuels would cause a recession and ordering that gas stations have stickers claiming dire consequences would result from paying a few extra cents per fill-up and threatening to fine gas stations that didn't. He nonsensically gave out his cell phone number and urged anyone among the 13 million citizens of the province to call him with complaints and eventually had to change his number after he slashed legal aid programs, children's aid programs, rolled back a minimum wage increase, removed legislation granting all workers 10 paid sick days, cancelled a universal basic income pilot project he'd pledged to leave untouched, and, in a vindictive act on behalf of his former mayor brother, he slashed Toronto city council in half shortly before an election to create chaos.

Ford's later mandated a new vehicle license plate design for Ontario cars and his chosen design proved unreadable in the dark making it impossible for law enforcement to identify vehicles, for which Ford was mocked severely. At a basketball game, Ford attended and when his presence was announced the venue was filled with the sound of the audience loudly booing him. Ford was a national punchline and nationally, the Liberal Party was racked with scandal but managed to form a minority federal government by spending their entire campaign pointing out that Doug Ford embodied all the values of conservatism: austerity and antagonism -- and that if the Conservatives were voted into power federally, it'd be Ontario's troubles country-wide.

At the start of March, as fears of COVID-19 rose, Ford went on the radio and said that the infection rates were low and that people should stay calm and go on March Break vacations and enjoy themselves. Then people started getting sick and dying.

Something suddenly changed. Ford began doing daily press conferences and reversed his previous position, declaring he'd been mistaken, the viral threat was real and people needed to stay in their homes. Despite having been the Liberals' punching bag, he began coordinating the provincial response with the federal government and declared that the Liberal deputy prime minister was "a firecracker" and a treasured ally.

He began to address the province every day in a gentle, somber, frank tone without the obnoxious bombast of his past appearances. He asked gas stations to leave their restrooms open for truckers delivering their food. He said he could not sleep at night, he was struggling to secure protective equipment for doctors and nurses and at one point revealed that the provincial supply had a week left. He drove his truck out to a dental office to personally pick up a small donation of masks. He thanked the press that had been mocking him the previous week for getting the word out on social distancing measures.

At one point, the Prime Minister of Canada refused to release estimates for the coming deaths across the country. He feared a panic. Ford released his models for the province, saying that he couldn't go against his prime minister, but he needed his province to know the worst possible outcome so that they could commit to reducing it by staying home. A week later, the federal government followed Ford's lead and the population began adhering even more closely to the advice to stay apart and stay home.

Some constituents were furious with Ford for his recommendation to go on a March Break holiday, and the former premier whom Ford had defeated, Kathleen Wynne, spoke out -- and in his defence. "It was a mistake, but he did that out of the kindness of his heart; I could hear it in his voice," said the ousted former premier who undoubtedly despised Ford but was nevertheless recognizing his newfound decency. "He was trying to calm the waters."

And the money. The once tight-fisted Ford began to spend like no tomorrow, maxing out provincial investments in health care, in payouts to senior homes and public services and lending his support to what is effectively a universal basic income plan for unemployed or furloughed workers. Ford devised a list of non-essential businesses that were to close for the duration of the pandemic to induce social distancing and began urgent efforts to secure masks, gowns, ventilators and other medical equipment. At a daily briefing, Ford was asked if he had anything to say about the soon-to-be implemented carbon tax and if he had anything to say to the prime minister who spent his re-election campaign smearing him.

Ford replied that it was a conversation to have, a conversation he would welcome, but right now, he was grateful for the teamwork and support he'd been shown from the federal team and that they were in constant contact and working together closely to save lives and protect their citizens and that they were all on the same team. The country's team. The Liberal deputy prime minister, Chrystia Freeland, was asked what it was like to work with the former Liberal boogeyman. She replied, "He is my therapist," describing the mutual support over late night, fretful phone calls.

When Trump banned mask exports from the US to Canada, the prime minister struck a diplomatic tone, saying he hoped the issue could be resolved. Ford, a once fervent Trump supporter, went on camera and expressed grief and heartbreak.

Doug Ford wrote:

When you sit back and you think of your allies and the wars we’ve gone through, and we’ve stood shoulder to shoulder fighting the same enemies. And now we have an enemy and we’re at war and they want to shut things down with their closest ally in the world? It shouldn’t come down to this. We have 1,000 nurses leaving Ontario that we’re in desperate need of going to help Americans.

How would the people in Michigan feel if all of a sudden we said, OK, the 1,000 nurses, we’re in desperate need and you need to stay here in Ontario and you aren’t going down to Michigan. That would be a wake-up call for them, but it shouldn’t come down to that. There’s no one that loves America more than I do. They’ve cut out one part of the family. It’s not right.

We’re stronger together than we are separated. In a major crisis, they want to cut everyone else off? That is totally unacceptable.

Canadians wouldn’t do that.

Ford later unveiled a plan to mobilize industry to produce all the medical equipment that had proven difficult to secure; to manufacture it in the province to supply the entire country. It would not only save lives but create new jobs that would also end Canada's dependency on other countries for life-saving equipment, particularly when the US had been seizing medical supplies on their way to Canada. So long as he was premier, he vowed, those manufacturing lines would never be closed.

In all this, Doug Ford went from being the laughingstock of Canadian politics to a man now being praised by friends and former enemies alike.

If he continues on this path through the pandemic and for the rebuilding that will be needed, his scandals will be a footnote in his legacy and he will be remembered as the hero that my people needed in the moment that we needed him; we'll remember how he rose to the challenge and became a leader driven and guided by the data and advice of medical experts and whose every action and decision has been to protect his constituents and guide them through adversity and into the future.

And I very much wish that this were Donald Trump's story because I am so worried about all of you right now.

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That's what I don't get about Trump.  This could be his re-election.  All he would have to do is stop being self-serving and narcissistic for a few months, and people might respect him as a leader.  I think the vast majority of people are in favor of working together to beat this thing so he doesn't even have to be partisan.  Just listen to scientists, knock the crisis out of the park, and he could find his way to re-election.

But he can't.  He's too dumb and he's too narcissistic and he doesn't know how to act any other way.

I just don't understand supporting him.  I can understand wanting to stay in power, and I can understand supporting the politics that he (currently) stands for.  But I don't get supporting him.  It's so obvious that he doesn't care about the people that support him, and that he only cares about promoting himself and his family.

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Unlike all previous presidents, Trump has no history of service.  No public service or national service or anything where he's had to do things to benefit others.  He's never needed to care about anyone but himself, so he doesn't.  He has no earthly idea how to not be self-serving.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

That's what I don't get about Trump.  This could be his re-election.  All he would have to do is stop being self-serving and narcissistic for a few months, and people might respect him as a leader.

David Dunning wrote:

In 1999, in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, my then graduate student Justin Kruger and I published a paper that documented how, in many areas of life, incompetent people do not recognize—scratch that, cannot recognize—just how incompetent they are, a phenomenon that has come to be known as the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Logic itself almost demands this lack of self-insight: For poor performers to recognize their ineptitude would require them to possess the very expertise they lack. To know how skilled or unskilled you are at using the rules of grammar, for instance, you must have a good working knowledge of those rules, an impossibility among the incompetent. Poor performers — and we are all poor performers at some things — fail to see the flaws in their thinking or the answers they lack.

What's curious is that, in many cases, incompetence does not leave people disoriented, perplexed, or cautious. Instead, the incompetent are often blessed with an inappropriate confidence, buoyed by something that feels to them like knowledge.
https://psmag.com/social-justice/confid … .m6pxgw6fq

Mark Twain wrote:

All you need is ignorance and confidence and the success is sure. You may have noticed that the less I know about a subject the more confidence I have, and the more new light I throw on it.

Joe Biden wrote:

The world sees Trump for what he is. Insincere, ill-informed, corrupt, dangerously incompetent, and incapable in my view of world leadership. And if we give Donald Trump four more years, we will have great difficulty of ever being able to recover America’s standing in the world, and our capacity to bring nations together.

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Democrats win in Wisconsin despite -- or because? -- of voter suppression.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 … court.html

Did Republican voter suppression tactics inadvertently suppress more Republicans than Democrats?

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ireactions wrote:

Democrats win in Wisconsin despite -- or because? -- of voter suppression.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 … court.html

Did Republican voter suppression tactics inadvertently suppress more Republicans than Democrats?

Sure sounds like it!!! ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

PS: the victory means the state Supreme Court will not be able to throw 240,000 voters off the rolls prior to November, hampering the GOP voter suppression efforts in WI.  WHAaaaaahhhh whaaaaahhhhh

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That's what's interesting - does the virus hurt or help Republicans?  The assumption has always been that any voter suppression helps Republicans (because Republicans vote and there are more Democrats in general).  But as I've said before, I don't know if it necessarily helps in this case:

1. Lower-income Americans tend to vote Democrat.  They're the ones who have "essential" jobs that force them to go out.  So a) going out is their norm and b) they're more likely to get the virus before November.  Those people will be more likely to vote in November - they're used to going out or would be immune.

2. There's been a lot of talk about Trump killing the post office to limit mail-in voting.  But that hurts rural America more than it hurts urban America.  Rural America tends to vote Republican.  Add in the fact that older Americans also tend to vote American, and since they're less likely to go out (because they're more likely to die), eliminating mail-in voting could take away their votes.

3. Republicans do tend to vote, but these are special times.  Will voters be excited to rush out to the polls to vote for Donald Trump after he's allowed the economy to tank and tens of thousands to die?  Some, yes.  But all the people Trump needs?  There's no Hillary boogeyman.  Biden is centrist enough that people can tell their Republican friends that the went out and voted for Trump.  But in the middle of a 2nd/3rd/4th corona wave, will older/wealthier Americans want to risk getting sick to vote for Donald Trump?  I don't know.

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Yesterday, Trump shrieked that it was up to him to decide if state lockdown orders were lifted, not state governors. "When somebody’s president of the United States, the authority is total," he snapped. CNN's Kaitlan Collins replied with an astonished, "That is not true -- who TOLD you that?" Trump couldn't answer.

Noted anti-Trump commentator and renounced Republican George Conway (husband of Trump's head cheerleader Kellyanne Conway) remarked, "I'm so incredibly shocked that President Donald Trump apparently hasn’t read Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 U.S. 579 (1952)" and later, "Look, I'm already really really and truly sorry about having voted for Donald Trump." (That sounds like an interesting marriage.) Twitter laughed merrily at how "I don't take responsibility at all" and "the authority is total" amounted to "total authority, zero responsibility."

It's intriguing because The Atlantic had an article recently about how Joe Biden, as Transmodiar said, stands for nothing, embodies nothing and is an empty vacuum of vague centricism and triangulation. Writer Nathan Schneider said this was ideal: by design, the term "president" is distinctly toothless and empty. A president is not a ruler. A president presides over a coalition of broad interests and sets the tone for his administration and the different levels of government to pursue their goals and concerns. A president's authority is within his specific level of government.

It's easy to look back mockingly at Slider_Quinn21's assertion in 2016 that a president isn't really that powerful and that Trump couldn't do that much damage. But Slider_Quinn21 was actually correct in his assessment of the role: as designed, the president was as Slider_Quinn21 sees it. The president is supposed to be a figurehead who delegates more than dictates. The term "president" is in fact something of an insult, historically, when most world leaders were kings if not emperors.

But we've lost that. We lost it when George W. Bush acquired extensive powers to curtail civil rights under the Patriot Act. Despite my fondness for Obama, he further empowered the US Presidency and therefore eroded its appropriate role; he got past congressional gridlock through orders implemented through executive powers, powers that were then passed onto Trump. While this still doesn't amount to Trump's assertion that "the authority is total," I can see why an ignorant, uneducated fool like Trump would see it that way based on how Bush 2.0 and Obama governed.

Biden has a, shall we say, relaxed attitude to political ideology. It might be a return to appropriate presidential norms. Biden's not mere willingness but enthusiasm to work with Sanders and applaud Kamala Harris (who attacked him) and make a meaningless but cheery phone call to Trump about COVID-19 (after Trump got himself impeached trying to dig up dirt in Ukraine on him) -- it suggests that Biden isn't looking to take charge. He wants to preside. He wants to be a president in the traditional sense -- where a president empowers his Senate, Congress and state authorities to pursue what's best for the country under his guidance but not his rule.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi … ng/609769/

And I... have a lot of time for that model of leadership. The first time I was fully exposed to it was working with Transmodiar on EP.COM where each contributor had very distinct and at times mutually exclusive interests in what we wanted to do for and with SLIDERS. Annie Fish wanted, with Think of a Roulette Wheel, to explore the cultural and psychographic spectrum of media history in terms of common iconography as presented by the FOX and Sci-Fi Channel. (I think. They're smarter than I am.) Mike Truman was deeply invested in the interdimensional concept as a portal to a multitude of storytelling formats to channel into many concepts for screenplays and storytelling. And I was interested in my friendship (yes) with Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo.

It was Transmodiar's website. And Transmodiar's interest was, at least from my perspective, highly anthropological and archeological as he unearthed casting sheets, unused pitches and The Box of Sci-Fi Channel press clippings that he had me scan and upload. However, Transmodiar didn't really treat EP.COM as HIS possession. He gave us all the passwords and our own user accounts. He told us he didn't feel the need for us to check in with him before posting material.

He stepped in editorially all of ONCE -- he declined to let me post a SLIDERS REBORN screenplay where Quinn meets Donald Trump. And to be blunt, Transmodiar thought SLIDERS REBORN was ridiculous. He considered it deranged fan service written by a troubled and damaged friend. He only let me do it because I was so depressed when I was first writing it; he feared I that I might kill myself without SLIDERS REBORN.

And aside from stopping me from having Quinn meet Trump, he let me do what I wanted under the EP.COM banner. Oh yes, he added jokes to all my reviews, but he was also very worried that I might protest his revisions and was relieved when I adored them and asked him to add more and more. Transmodiar did not rule EarthPrime.com. He presided over it.

Which is why, to me (and only me), Transmodiar represents America. To me, Transmodiar is everything a president should be.

That is simply my opinion and I cannot stress enough in the name of Quinn's sweater vests, Rembrandt's clean shaven face, Maggie's Betty Page style hair and Colin's vacant expression that the views of ireactions do not represent those of the Sliders.tv community.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

That's what's interesting - does the virus hurt or help Republicans?  The assumption has always been that any voter suppression helps Republicans (because Republicans vote and there are more Democrats in general).  But as I've said before, I don't know if it necessarily helps in this case:

You hit about 20 nails on the head at once!  The virus is now spreading quite badly in rural America, which is older, and has limited healthcase access and bad hospitals.  Limiting mail in voting will likely hurt Trump's chances, oh well.

ireactions wrote:

Yesterday, Trump shrieked that it was up to him to decide if state lockdown orders were lifted, not state governors. "When somebody’s president of the United States, the authority is total," he snapped. CNN's Kaitlan Collins replied with an astonished, "That is not true -- who TOLD you that?" Trump couldn't answer.

It's intriguing because The Atlantic had an article recently about how Joe Biden, as Transmodiar said, stands for nothing, embodies nothing and is an empty vacuum of vague centricism and triangulation. Writer Nathan Schneider said this was ideal: by design, the term "president" is distinctly toothless and empty. A president is not a ruler. A president presides over a coalition of broad interests and sets the tone for his administration and the different levels of government to pursue their goals and concerns. A president's authority is within his specific level of government.

First, Trump already CAVED to the Northeast Governors and was forced to admit they call the shots.  Second, Biden's refusal to take any sort of position that would weigh him down is exactly what's propelled him to this point.  That said, he's come right out in support of several liberal policies from Warren and Sanders, which in the face of a 2nd Great Depression, will be quite advantageous.

Lastly, Trump is running out of organizations to blame.  Now it's the WHO, who he has halted money to, despite the prospect of 2nd and 3rd virus waves being more likely without worldwide action.  This is what he said about that group in late February....

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta … 7740174339

The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!

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I tend to watch both CNN and Fox because the truth usually lies in the middle of two opposing viewpoints.  Tonight, I was watching Tucker Carlson’s show on Fox; and something said did concern me.

Tucker was interviewing the governor of New Jersey, and he asked the governor a question regarding the so far limited arrests for social distancing as people attend worship services across the United States.  Tucker asked the governor, “Did you consider the Bill of Rights before imposing orders that restrict those rights?”  The governor responded “No.”  Tucker then asked what gave the governors the power and authority to suspend the Bill of Rights?  The governor replied “That’s above my pay grade - you’ll have to ask someone else.”

I know the argument - it’s for the public good that we temporarily suspend what the United States was built on.  I imagine some would angrily say “You’ll get your precious rights back soon enough!”  Is that where we’re at?  Do we have a guarantee we’ll get it back?  There’s even theoretical talk during a CNN interview with Dr. Anthony Fauci that “immunity papers” will need to be presented to rejoin society.  They checked your papers in Nazi Germany too.

We tend to rationalize giving up our rights in inches, and it reminds me of a poem by Martin Niemöller titled “First They Came”.  It was about the genesis of Nazi Germany.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.


Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.


Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.


Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

How much will we let them take before we’re unable to speak any longer?  Something to think about.

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TemporalFlux wrote:

I tend to watch both CNN and Fox because the truth usually lies in the middle of two opposing viewpoints.

I'm going to say something controversial. Temporal Flux should never have focused on SLIDERS. He should have been a journalist of the world. And also -- while I think of Transmodiar as the perfect American, I have always thought of TF as the perfect Canadian.

TemporalFlux wrote:

I know the argument - it’s for the public good that we temporarily suspend what the United States was built on.  I imagine some would angrily say “You’ll get your precious rights back soon enough!”  Is that where we’re at?  Do we have a guarantee we’ll get it back?  There’s even theoretical talk during a CNN interview with Dr. Anthony Fauci that “immunity papers” will need to be presented to rejoin society.  They checked your papers in Nazi Germany too.

I personally feel that arrests for failing to socially distance are too far. Canada is not arresting people except when they tested positive for COVID-19 or returned from overseas travel but refused to self-quarantine for 14 days. Outside of those obvious health threats to all, Canada is issuing fines for people assembling in large groups. Arresting people crosses the line into actively repressing civil liberties by physical force. Canada is merely making it unaffordable to assemble for the duration of the state of emergency. The prime minister and my premier have contemplated making it arrestable -- but they ultimately decided against force in favour of strong persuasion.

Social distancing is vital right now. No one has the right to spread an incredibly communicable disease that currently has no antiviral and no vaccine. But TF is right to observe that if the pandemic becomes justification for taking the power to arrest people for assembling, that power could remain in place even after the pandemic is past. Even now, there are reports that the NYPD is using enforcement of social distancing as an excuse to accost, harass and assail low-income individuals and people of colour.

https://theintercept.com/2020/04/15/nyp … istancing/

And we've seen it presidentially as well. When Obama was in office, I personally applauded his use of executive power to provide counterterrorism, stimulus, health care and recovery to his nation when congressional gridlock would not permit him to act. But I see now that I was mistaken. Under Obama's stewardship, the executive branch of the president has gained the power to wage war without congressional approval, engage in drone attacks, assassinate globally and secretly, rewrite domestic policy at will -- and that power has remained a part of his office under Trump.

On every level, we need to consider what happens when power, even when in passable hands, could go to someone inclined to use it ineptly and foolishly if not disastrously. The opinions in this post do not represent the views of Sliders.TV, I cannot stress this enough in the name of blah blah blah it's late.

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From The Beaverton comes a rather accurate summation of the Democrats' presumptive nominee:

Obama wholeheartedly endorses only option

Former President Barack Obama has announced his enthusiastic support for Joe Biden by endorsing him over all other current Democratic candidates.

“I cannot think of a better candidate than Joe, who is also the only candidate. Is that… have we checked that? We’re absolutely sure? Warren is definitely out? Sanders too? What about that Inslee guy, he seemed smart, is there any chance he…? No. Okay. Joe it is,” Obama said in a video he released today endorsing Biden.

Obama, whose endorsement will be critical to the Democrats’ chances of taking back the White House in November, refused to support any specific candidate during the crowded and contentious Democratic primary, instead relying on cryptic hints to steer primary voters, like “please don’t let nostalgia guide you” and “I sure hope the candidate is someone who has the best PLANS for the FUTURE and doesn’t rely solely on past associations.”

“I know Joe very well, and his accomplishments during my administration are numerous,” said Obama. “There was the time he stood behind me as I signed the Affordable Care Act, the time he sat next to me as I oversaw the mission to take out Osama bin Laden, and of course the time he held my umbrella as we got off Air Force One. If you need a president who can hold a good umbrella, Joe’s your guy.”

Obama concluded his endorsement by stating that “Joe is a [unintelligible mumbles] man. He’s the candidate we have, and that’s… great. Just great. He’s a good… uh, he’s a good… choice. Yes sir. Good choice. Excellent choice. Really [massive sigh] just, a great good choice.”

The Biden campaign is taking advantage of the publicity they’re receiving after Obama’s ringing endorsement to unveil their new campaign slogan: “Vote Biden. You have to.”

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/04/ob … ly-option/

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I've been watching some Biden videos to get a good idea of who this guy is.  I watched the Bernie endorsement video, and I saw what everyone was talking about.  Biden looked slow and tired.  He looked a bit lost at times.  Bernie is older but was much more lively and seemed to be leading the discussion.

Then I watched a town hall that Biden did yesterday with some essential frontline workers.  He seemed much sharper.  Much wiser.  A couple times it seemed like he might be struggling, but he seemed on his game.

I guess that's sorta what we're going to get from Biden.  He's going to be slow some days and sharp some days.  He's going to look weak and old sometimes, and he'll look experienced and decisive at others.  And, you know what, I think that's okay.  Despite what Trump thinks, I don't think the president needs to have total authority.  Having a president who needs to rely on his cabinet on certain days might not be the worst thing (and is the direct opposite of the current president who doesn't seem to listen to anyone not related to him).

I also watched Obama's endorsement of Biden, and it made me sad that none of the candidates resembled Obama at all.  I happened to watch a video on youtube of Obama and Trudeau from a few years ago.  It was inspiring and made me hopeful.  It'd be nice to have a guy like that to vote for.

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Joe Biden is old. I just wrote him a letter because he was asking his supporters (even reluctant ones like myself) for advice on what principles his campaign should adhere to.

The problem with Biden, his greatest challenge, is that his successful career was the result of a gift for connecting with people in person and on the senate floor with earnest, off-the-cuff, rambling oratory that was outraged and sincere and heartfelt -- and that gift for combining righteous anger with incision and humour -- it's faded with age. Biden has lost his aptitude for the smartass, punchy quip. His days of snarking that Rudy Guliani's every sentence is "a noun, a verb and 9-11" are done. His ability to whip Paul Ryan's empty numerical nonsense back in Ryan's face -- that's gone too.

When Kamala Harris criticized him for being against bussing black school children or when an auto worker accused him of trying to take away his guns, Biden launched into an incoherent delivery of a canned response that became a lost, floundering burst of random elements of his opinion. Trump has the same problem except his answers are unveiled presentations of his cruelty, racism, egotism and disrespect that, for people like Informant, I guess, are entertaining and have won his support.

I don't think Biden was struggling or tired with Bernie, but I can see why it read that way. I think Biden was trying to be low key and gentle and respectful and not seem overly triumphant, smug or superior that Bernie was going to be working for him now. I think Biden was trying to be deferential and gracious instead of commanding. But Biden is not what he used to be and that will be okay if he focuses on his other gifts: his warmth and ability to not take attacks personally and rise above it. He embraced Kamala Harris at a fundraiser and thanked her for her criticisms. He has asked Elizabeth Warren to help him. And he gave Trump his advice on COVID-19 and, for a brief moment, brought Trump into the realm of civility.

So when Trump goes on some crazed, unhinged rant and runs rings around Biden, Biden's best bet given his current abilities, is to be centered, resolute and determined. Instead of going after Trump like he's going to put him down like a rabid dog, Biden could aim for being the disappointed dad who has come to help a wayward child. In my head, Biden, not going for unintelligible anger, tells Trump that it's okay.

The ireactions pastiche of Biden says in his folksy, kindly manner, "It's alright, sir. I understand. I know what this is about. You never wanted to be president. It was just a joke on the golf course. You didn't want to lead the free world; you wanted your name on TV, some attention, some real estate deals. But you won and now you don't know how to do your job. We're putting more on you than you can handle. Demanding something that you don't have to give. I know you feel it. That you're the wrong person in the wrong place. I know you're afraid, son. You're on your way down and you know you're falling and you're scared. I'm here to help. Let me help you find your way out."

Shortly after this, Biden borrows Doc Brown's DeLorean and travels back to 1996 where he gets David Peckinpah into rehab and Peckinpah teams up with Torme to make a slightly more action-oriented Season 3 that appeals to both diehard fans and casual viewers alike.

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A lot of my friends aren't too happy with me when politics come up. Most of the people I know in Real Life are women who are extremely left of center. (Did I say most? I meant all.)

They are not happy that I have spoken well of the premier of my province as he has historically been conservative and a Trump supporter and his good handling of a health crisis has won no favour with them after all of his bad and malicious budget cuts.

They are not happy with me for not believing Tara Reade's accusations towards Joe Biden. They are not happy that I think Biden might be okay as they feel he is not a revolutionary and not sufficiently progressive and they find his warm grandfather persona to be phony and fake and they are disgusted by his handsy past and believe Tara Reade's story.

They are not happy that I favour Governor Gretchen Whitmer as Biden's VP (I adore that lady, she is SUCH a go-getter) and my friends would rather see Stacy Abrams (whom I feel is an excellent human being but inexperienced), Elizabeth Warren (I'm worried she'll alienate Bernie's supporters) or Kamala Harris (whom I feel isn't progressive enough to balance Biden out).

We have a former friend who had arrogance to declare that his opinions represented all of us in consensus. I know what he would say if he and I were on the same side politically. He would say that women will always believe another woman even if what's being said contradicts history and doesn't explain past behaviour. He'd say that of course they'd favour someone with the woke label or someone of colour over someone of skill because wokeness is an act and any concern for people of colour is just pandering to specific demographics. He'd say that anyone who disagrees with me/us are just acting out their biases and trauma and insecurities whereas we, as clear, right-thinking individuals, are unencumbered by prejudice of any kind.

*shudders*

My response to my friends is: I prefer their disagreement. My opinions are MY opinions and I'd prefer it if you would get your own. No one should live in an echo chamber and no one should claim that a difference of opinion is due to one side being deceitful or mentally ill. In fact, if Slider_Quinn21 agrees with me on anything after this, I'm going to make a special effort to find something to argue over with him. :-D

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ireactions wrote:

My response to my friends is: I prefer their disagreement. My opinions are MY opinions and I'd prefer it if you would get your own. No one should live in an echo chamber and no one should claim that a difference of opinion is due to one side being deceitful or mentally ill.

This is what's so dangerous about what we're seeing in terms of party politics today.  No party has all the answers to everything and as TF said, the answer is usually in the middle. Yes, the Republican party has, for reasons beyond my understanding, sold out in favor of Donald Trump.  But conservatism isn't evil.  It's necessary.  Either party unchecked would be a disaster, and differing views are important. 

When I vote, I usually vote for a handful of conservatives, a handful of liberals, and some independents.  I've never voted straight ticket, and I think it's dumb.  You'll never agree 100% with your favorite candidate and you'll never agree 0% with your least.  If you go to something like ISideWith and truthfully answer the questions, you'll find some common ground with both Biden and Trump. Always.  And while you might say "I'd rather have a room of people that agree with me 80% over the time than allow anyone who agrees with me only 30% of the time" - wouldn't you rather have the 30% guy there to argue for the issues you agree with him on?  Especially if it's an issue that you *disagree* with the 80% guy on?

And I think it's important to have compassion.  I may want Trump out of office, but I do sincerely hope that he does the right thing in this pandemic.  Even if the road he takes is a bad one, I want the road to lead to success for the nation.  I want life to go back to normal.  I want to be able to go to restaurants again and socialize and feel safe in public.  I want my daughter to be able to go back to daycare and have a normal life.  If that means getting Trump a win, that's fine.  I'm not going to root for this crisis to get so much worse to highlight his idiocy so that he gets crushed in November.  I don't support him as a person, but I support him as the president.  I'm rooting for him to do well.  I disagree with the path he's taking us on, but I'm hopeful that the path will be good for the country.

And I think there are too many people that are willing to compromise to win.  I think there are too many democrats who would be willing to have 2-3 million Americans die if it means Trump loses in November.  I think there are too many republicans who would be happy to be under Russia's direct control if it means Trump wins in November.

It used to be that both parties had the same goal in mind, and they just disagreed on whether or not to take the left path or the right path.  These days, I don't think they have have the same goal in mind anymore.

In fact, if Slider_Quinn21 agrees with me on anything after this, I'm going to make a special effort to find something to argue over with him. :-D

I'm sure there's plenty to disagree with me about smile

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Yeah, I'm worried that the Conservative premier of my province, Doug Ford, is winning so much acclaim right now that he will sail into re-election and then resume his platform of austerity and political savagery. But no one should worry about that right now; the focus has to be on saving lives.

The Prime Minister of Canada is a very sweet but deeply amateur leader. He's great at gestures: after he won the office, he spent the next morning in a subway station randomly greeting commuters and thanking them, he achieved gender-parity in his cabinet, he wears STAR WARS socks, he expressed a self-confessed layman's enthusiasm for quantum computing.

He also bought an oil pipeline despite his stated intentions to reduce pollution, attempted to force a sweetheart deal for a company prosecuted for bribery and accepted a free vacation on a private island, both of which the ethics commissioner of Canada found a breach of the public trust and cost him badly. He came out of re-election with a government that had gone from a majority to a minority and significantly short on the popular vote.

Most recently, Prime Minister Trudeau had been in self-isolation after his wife tested positive for COVID-19; after she recovered and tested negative, she took the children to the family cottage outside the capital city and in a different province (think state). During Easter, Trudeau and many premiers (think governors) urged people not to go to their out-of-city cottages and secondary residences: they would put unbearable weight on those health care systems and food supplies. Police checkpoints were set up to keep residents from traveling between provinces. After that message, Trudeau crossed the Ontario provincial border into Quebec to join his wife and children at the cottage for Easter. The optics are terrible on this.

That said, the prime minister is an essential worker and permitted to cross borders; he has a private staff and physician and would not have strained Quebec's resources or food supply; he remained within the quarantine group of his wife and children and the personal staff with whom he'd lived during his wife's self-isolation. But very simply, Trudeau told people not to cross provincial lines or go to their secondary residences and promptly did both. God damn it.

This sort of thing happens. Trudeau's done some good stuff, essentially bringing about a universal basic income for the unemployed or underemployed for the duration of this emergency. It is going to cost trillions, but Trudeau effectively declared he would worry about the economy LATER; right now, he wanted everyone to have a monthly paycheque. Yes, he screwed up on the cottage front; it hardly seems to matter. I've seen the deranged village idiot running the show down south; I'd rather have the occasionally inept but fundamentally decent father figure.

In the States, the light of my life, Governor Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan, has been taking heavy fire for an updated ban on businesses selling anything other than food and medicine, barring people from buying gardening supplies and paint to try to induce them to stay indoors and apart in retail shops. It's a well-intentioned measure and my province did something similar. But they didn't ban sales of these items; they instead ordered that all non-food and medicine retailers switch to online orders and curbside pickup which is the online reason I'm online right now; my router blew and I needed a new one. Curbside pickup is how I got one.

Whitmer's error may have cost her a place on Biden's VP shortlist which is a shame, but my niece grumbles that I always go for hyperactively peppy white women who get stuff done and swear like sailors and that just because I like someone personally doesn't mean they should be in the White House. She is correct.

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Meanwhile, hundreds took to the street, devoid of protection, on orders from Bozo the Clown in Chief...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … virus.html

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/18/00/27336460-8228769-The_president_tweeted_his_support_for_the_protesters_just_a_day_-a-19_1587166116384.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/18/00/27336458-8228769-Some_of_the_protesters_wore_masks_while_others_did_not_and_very_-a-17_1587166116277.jpg

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These people are going to get sick. They are all Trump supporters, but I don't want that.

I'm also not sure it's sound political strategy for a president to encourage his supporters to get themselves infected with COVID-19 and die.

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James Carville Jr., Democratic strategist, thinks that the election is the Democrats' to lose if they're incompetent or weak -- and I'm sorry to say that Democrats often are exactly that. Nevertheless:

James Carville Jr. wrote:

I am totally, totally unimpressed by President Trump's political powers. I have absolutely no fear. If we go to post in November with anything close to a level playing field, it's going to be a Democratic wipeout. People are not going to vote for four more years of this.

First of all, he won with 46.1 percent. He’s literally lost 95 percent of the elections that have taken place between the time of his election and right now. His polling numbers are going down, and they’re awful. Usually, in a crisis -- I mean, Jimmy Carter was at 67 percent in the Iran hostage crisis. The prime minister of Italy is over 70 percent. I’ll bet you 30 governors in the United States are over 70 percent.

My kind of mission in the short-term is to sound the alarm to say Mitch McConnell and the Supreme Court -- they're going to do everything they can to hold onto power. This thing in Wisconsin was one of the most awful things I've ever seen in my life. The extent that they will go to to hold onto power -- it was all about one Supreme Court seat in Wisconsin -- they will kill people to stay in power, literally.

If this country is allowed to exercise its right to vote freely and fully, it is quite simply not going to vote to have the next four years look like the last four years.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/t … cna1181371

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Patton Oswalt tweeted:

Anne Frank spent 2 years hiding in an attic and we’ve been home for just over a month with Netflix, food delivery & video games and there are people risking viral death by storming state capital buildings & screaming, “Open Fuddruckers!”

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Personally, I'm starting to realize how much crap that used to bother me doesn't really matter. I spent so many weeks reading coffee reviews to find the perfect light roast, now I'm just settling for McDonalds whole bean coffee (which is approved by the Rainforest Alliance) and putting in some salt to make it less dark roasted.

I was fuming for months over one of my sexlessly platonic actress friends who was in town for two weeks and said we'd hang out but never showed up (although she had time to do two podcasts and attend eight parties); it occurred to me that if I really needed a quirky actress to talk to about theatre and to confess all my secrets, I could simply choose one of the many candidates available, send the previous incumbent a succinct letter of termination and a severance package and get back to work.

My home internet stopped working for eight days. I bought a new wifi extender (curbside pickup) because it boasted the ability to create a mesh network; it's defective and cannot do anything but repeat a wifi signal and I have lost the receipt. I got over it.

But those people aren't storming state buildings out of boredom; they're there because their cult leader has given them a holy mission to deny that people are getting sick and dying and rather than realize that people are dying and they backed the wrong horse, they're assembling and infecting each other and shrieking their outrage that white supremacy and homophobia and the destigmatization of mental illness is eroding their societal privileges and insisting that over 20,000 dead is some sort of hoax on their standard bearer.

And anyone who thinks there aren't enough of these people in existence to win Donald Trump another four years is buying into what happened in 2016: the privileged, smug assumption that the race was won before even stepping onto the track. The Republicans could still win by spinning Trump's failures in COVID-19; by using their gerrymandering and a potential USPS bankruptcy to prevent mail-in voting; by driving down voter turnout via the virus (although they're currently insisting that it's exaggerated); by people voting third party in close districts and effectively voting for Trump. The Democrats cannot do what they did last time and think that just showing up is enough to win and anyone who thinks otherwise is not being realistic. Any victory is going to be very hard-earned.