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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Informant said: Killing Tara on Sons of Anarchy was a mistake. In one scene, they killed every character that I actually cared about. The last season was just me hoping that everyone would die, and not caring much when they did.</p><p>I agree with you. the show lost a lot when Tara died and I just didn&#039;t care much by the final season either. As for Juice, I think his demise was long overdue. </p><p>It always intrigued me how Blakes 7 just killed everyone in the finale.&nbsp; I thought Sons was going to go that route. </p><p>One character I always wanted to die a horrible death and never did was that annoying asshole, Miles from the final seasons of Lost. The writers must have really liked that jackass for them not to kill such a worthless character. Matter of fact, I hated most people from the freighter&nbsp; (Farady, the annoying red headed chick and Miles, the only one that was likable was the drunken helicopter pilot)</p><p>You are spot on with Anna Torv, her acting precludes Tatians&#039;s.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2016-04-26T17:33:14Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>KerrAvon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>On the subject of favorites being killed off:<br />I never understood why &quot;Homeland&quot; killed Nick Brody in Season 3. His relationship with Carrie was a cornerstone of the show and I found myself wondering ;&quot;What are we gonna do now?&quot;</p></blockquote></div><p>See, I had the opposite reaction to that...I thought killing Brody was way overdue.&nbsp; I thought his storyline had run its course, and it was time for him to go.&nbsp; When someone is on the run like that, an international fugitive, they can&#039;t just let him get back to a normal life.&nbsp; The show was bending over backward to keep him on the show, and it was going to suffer.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2016-04-26T05:08:17Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Killing Tara on Sons of Anarchy was a mistake. In one scene, they killed every character that I actually cared about. The last season was just me hoping that everyone would die, and not caring much when they did.</p><p>Orphan Black is good, but is still say that Anna Torv from Fringe was the best at playing multiple characters on one show. The nuance was brilliant.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2016-04-25T23:54:56Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s like they wanted to play it as random, but they also didn&#039;t. Within the episode, they have Laurel holding her mask and saying &quot;One last time...&quot; which made it quite clear who was going to die.</p><p>They had more natural options for the death, bit they backed away because they didn&#039;t want to upset fangirls too much, and for some reason they viewed Laurel/Black Canary fans as a vocal minority.</p><p>I am all for sudden, tragic death. But it can&#039;t feel cheap when it happens.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2016-04-25T23:50:47Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Race, Gender, and Character: Why We Watch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of favorites being killed off:<br />I never understood why &quot;Homeland&quot; killed Nick Brody in Season 3. His relationship with Carrie was a cornerstone of the show and I found myself wondering ;&quot;What are we gonna do now?&quot;</p><p>The last two seasons in Pakistan and then Germany were just &quot;okay&quot; but it is so glaringly obvious that the show is missing something.&nbsp; gravitas?&nbsp; Seeing the actor, Damian Lewis on &quot;Billions&quot; is interesting.&nbsp; </p><p>I was surprised when Sons of Anarchy killed Tara. To off her in the next to last season (and the savagery of her murder) was very upsetting.&nbsp; I think the show lost a lot when she left.&nbsp; Maggie Siff is a good actress and she has resurfaced also on Billions.&nbsp; I never tire of watching her. </p><p>And as for enjoying watching certain performers, I have to tip my hat to Tatiana Maslany of Orphan Black. It is so much fun seeing her play all those characters.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2016-04-25T23:48:30Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I agree. Now that the whole story is out, it&#039;s clear the ARROW writing staff decided to kill SOMEONE and then chose their victim afterwards. It results in a story that feels artificial and unnatural because the writers have decided someone will die before knowing if they&#039;ve set up a story that actually justifies or requires a death. They also engineered a situation where it was impossible for that death to come naturally from the story because they didn&#039;t settle on who would die until as late in the season as possible.</p><p>The weird thing is that I don&#039;t think they were far from getting it right -- if they had decided from the first episode that Laurel was to die, they could have built up an entire run of episodes where the conflict between Laurel&#039;s legal exploits and her vigilante exploits is building to terrible consequences and those consequences turn out to be her death. Instead, all that stuff was abruptly thrown into one episode because it was only with this one specific episode that the writers had finally made a choice.</p><p>I disliked the Laurel character intensely in Season 1 but came to appreciate her reworking in Seasons 2 - 4. I don&#039;t object to the death or even the circumstances of her death -- I just disliked how, because of the improvised, open-ended approach, there was nothing to make sure that Laurel&#039;s story and Laurel&#039;s death dovetailed until the very episode in which it happened. It&#039;s kind of artless. On some level, I think the writers were operating from the view that death is often random; there aren&#039;t always clues, there isn&#039;t always build-up, so it&#039;d be fine. But it makes the story feel like it&#039;s being engineered from the outside in and without much thought or care, specifically due to how the random nature of the writing is reflected in the random feel of the storytelling.</p><p>I don&#039;t hate it as much as you did, but I certainly can&#039;t defend it.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2016-04-25T23:41:35Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s how I feel about the Laurel Lance death this year! The writers did it to get attention and get some internet buzz about who was in the grave, but it was really just empty hype which they eventually had to resolve. But the death had nothing to do with story or purpose. It was cheap.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2016-04-25T19:49:04Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>One of my favourite comic book serieses is WITCHBLADE. It&#039;s also one of the worst comics ever made -- or it was until the publisher finally hired an actual writer to script it. WITCHBLADE came out during the comic book bad girl craze, featuring a homicide detective, Sara Pezzini, who finds a magical gauntlet called the Witchblade which responds to her thoughts, forms organic armour, fires blades and flames, can telepathically link to others and form various constructs (weapons, shields, climbing apparatus). It was mostly a fetish comic written for an audience who liked to see half-naked women and tormented, long-haired men whining about shallow emotional problems in juvenile prose.</p><p>I&#039;d dismissed WITCHBLADE as empty fetish material until Ron Marz, one of my favourite writers, started scripting the series, at which point I went back and re-read all the (awful) material before his debut. In the pre-Marz issues, the comic attempted to create some buzz by allowing readers to vote in a death pool where they could vote for characters to be safe or to potentially be killed off until only one unlucky character would be left in the pool. There was no storytelling function served by teasing a death and letting the audience vote on it, nor was it originated from the stories themselves -- it was simply to create empty hype. What it did, instead, was communicate how little the people writing this comic cared about their stories or characters in any way.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2016-04-24T23:50:29Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem with Lost was that the writers got to going and never wanted to end it. After season 4 they should have been thinking of tying up the loose ends and giving closure.&nbsp; At the time, they claimed that the ridiculous ending was as they had envisioned it but later, they have gone on record as admitting that they had painted themselves in a corner and had no idea how to get out of it. </p><p>As for Battlestar Galectica, I saw that ending coming about a year early. The foreshadowing had basically tipped their hand and I was not surprised to find that they were not our descendants but instead our ancestors. I thought that it was brilliant. The human religion set the basis for the Greek and Roman beliefs while the Ceylon religion (and with the human converts including Baltar) was the basis for Judeo-Christianity. </p><p>Saying goodbye to some characters, I found the execution of Gaeta&nbsp; somewhat disturbing, Callie&#039;s murder was upsetting, while <br />I hated to see Boomer die (she had been a favorite, the fact she was killed by one of her duplicates, Athena made no difference) <br />I was never clear as to the faith of Kara (Starbuck). Was she an angel of sorts?&nbsp; </p><p>All in all I found the finale satisfying, unlike that ABC show that ran for six years about plane crash survivors...</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2016-04-20T18:23:31Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#039;t mean &quot;unanswered questions&quot; as much as &quot;poorly answered questions&quot; - if you waited six years to find out that the Island was special because of some sort of mystical light/water that must be protected....that&#039;s probably a waste of time.</p><p>However, I was so invested in the characters at that point that it didn&#039;t matter to me anymore.&nbsp; There could&#039;ve been an army of clowns on stationary bikes in that cave, and I wouldn&#039;t have thought any less of it.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2016-04-20T05:44:03Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#039;t have any unanswered questions, really.</p><p>One problem, I think, is that the show was a push and pull between science and faith. Like Battlestar Galactica, the finale and a lot that led up to it had less to do with science and more to do with faith. To me, it makes sense. To the people who want hard science to explain everything, it didn&#039;t make sense.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2016-04-20T04:45:13Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I loved LOST.&nbsp; Still do.&nbsp; I haven&#039;t gone back and watched much of it since it ended, but I thought the finale was great.&nbsp; I actually saw an article today about the writers admitting that they made stuff up as they went along.&nbsp; And you know what, that&#039;s fine.&nbsp; Because to me, the show *started* as a collection of awesome mysteries, but by the end of the show, I didn&#039;t care about the Monster or the Island or the polar bear or any of that stuff.&nbsp; I genuinely cared about Jack and Kate and Sawyer and Jin and Sun and all the other characters, and I loved the flashbacks and flashforwards and flash-sideways.</p><p>LOST came down to one fact - if you cared about the characters more than the mysteries, you liked it.&nbsp; If you cared about the mysteries more than the characters, you were disappointed.&nbsp; </p><p>It isn&#039;t the best show I&#039;ve ever seen, but I still think it&#039;s my favorite.&nbsp; No show ever got me as excited to watch, and nothing has come close since.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2016-04-20T04:37:30Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m still a Lost fan. I rewatch the series every so often and it is still one of the shows that I count among the greats. I liked the whole series. Even the finale.</p><p>Can I never agree with anyone about anything?!</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2016-04-19T23:59:22Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>@Slider_Quinn21<br />Yeah, Charlie was killed off in Season 3,&nbsp; <br />Its funny how nobody seems to talk about or care to remember &#039;LOST&quot; these days. The show was a big fan favorite the first 3-4 seasons then it became...lost?&nbsp; I for one only want to remember the show as it was (season 1-4) and forget the final two seasons and the <strong>two and a half hours </strong>&nbsp; finale.&nbsp; I and many others will never get those 2.5 hours back....</p><p>As for Game of Thrones, I liked Stannis, he was somewhat of&nbsp; an asshole but he was the last of the &quot;Five Kings&quot; still alive.... going to miss him and his ... </p><p>I was glad the Sand Snakes were not killed off and since I do not get HBO and will have to wait many months before watching Season 6, that being said I would think that the writers have closed the chapter on them.&nbsp; The fight between them and Jaime and Bron was thrilling to watch (even though it does not take place in the book!)</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2016-04-19T23:13:38Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Sleepy Hollow is just an example. I don&#039;t think that the people ditching the show now are necessarily doing it just because they killed off Abbie. I think it goes deeper than that.</p><p>I don&#039;t really watch shows for just one character, and I usually wouldn&#039;t give one up just because someone died. I think that a well done death is great material to work with. Lost did it all the time, and it always mattered. Even when it wasn&#039;t as much of a shock anymore, it was always sad to see someone die.</p><p>I don&#039;t think that Laurel should have been killed off on Arrow. I think that in a lot of ways, it was a mistake to kill Tommy. It was great drama, but they keep looking for ways to bring him back into the show and they really can&#039;t (though I&#039;d be cool with seeing him as Earth-2&#039;s Dark Archer). They weren&#039;t done with that character. But on the flip side, they brought back Malcolm when they shouldn&#039;t have and he has been sucking life out of the show for years now.<br />The problem with Arrow isn&#039;t that Laurel died, but that so little thought seems to be put into any part of the story anymore. If there isn&#039;t much else for people to connect with on the show, I can understand why her death would be the last straw. Especially with the comments made by the producer.</p><p>Jadzia Dax was a great character on DS9. The actress was leaving, but asked producers not to kill her off. They did anyway. However, it wasn&#039;t a cheap move. It wasn&#039;t petty. It was war and to show someone we knew and love die (even in a stupid way) meant something. With that show, there was enough good to balance out the bruised feelings of losing that character.</p><p>As for Sliders... I&#039;m still not sure why we all stuck with it for so long. The basic premise was great, but there was so little that lived up to it. I guess we were always holding out hope.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2016-04-14T19:53:38Z</updated>
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