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For next time...

To Catch A Slider is goofy fun.  The look on Maggie's face when Remmy tells them the timer they've been using isn't Quinn's original is priceless.  Apparently that never came up in her previous two years of sliding.

Dust is the worst episode of Season 5, even worse than Requiem.  Rembrandt in particular is out of character.  The Sliders know what Bigelow is digging up is meaningless, a hotel rather than a sacred tomb.  They know the "guardian" is just a aluminum siding salesman, not an important historical figure or a supernatural protector of the Chandler.  They know the Packers religion is based on lies and misunderstandings.  And yet, despite knowing that there is no real meaning for either side, Rembrandt is insistent on leading the Packers into a potentially deadly confrontation with Bigelow and his team over nothing.  The Rembrandt I know would have been trying to talk the Packers down from using violence against Bigelow, to defuse the situation.  He would have told them the God they seek is in their hearts and minds, not a hole in the ground.  He would have never encouraged them to threaten someone like Bigelow, who hasn't hurt anyone and is just trying to learn about his world's past.  It's an atrocity of mischaracterization that destroys whatever credibility the show had left.

RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

I don't think everyone here is accounting for the strong bias in the marketplace (by that i mean networks and network executives) against sliders.  It's later seasons had some terrible, cheap 90s tv.  Networks are trying to do adult sophisticated, smart nowadays.  The show has a tainted legacy. They're up against some challenges in getting someone to take it on, though I do think it's possible, and they'd have to have the right pitch / approach.


Modernizing and improving a cheaply made series with potential can and has been done.  Did you not see Battlestar Galactica?

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What's next?

Requiem.  Well, points for trying to resolve the Wade mess.  In my head canon she escaped from the Maggs shortly after this episode.

Map of the Mind.  Interesting world concept gets underutilized.  Seems like this episode should have a profound long term effect on Diana, but it actually has almost none.

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I think we're more or less on the same wavelength here.  The Sliders were surely intended to be heroic and it came through most of the time in the first two seasons.  The reason the outside writers had trouble maintaining that was the lack of a clearly defined ethos for the characters.  That's what prevents them from being iconic.

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It's never clear what the Sliders are fighting for, only what they fight against.  We don't know what they want these worlds to look like, only that they want them to be different from what they are.  Often the reasons for resisting the status quo are selfish, the world is preventing them from sliding or doing something else they want to do.  They need the prime directive or "truth, justice, and the American way" or some other thing that defines their objectives.

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Whether you consider the Sliders superheroes depends on how you define the term.

Traditionally a superhero is defined as a character with a distinctive costume, enhanced abilities, and the moral strength to be good for good reasons.  The Sliders clearly do not qualify here.

Some define it more narrowly, saying a superhero is a benevolent character with superhuman abilities.  Again the Sliders do not qualify.

A broader definition, such as a superhero is a character who has an increased capacity to act and exert power and to demonstrate agency, could include the Sliders but would require more defined characters.  To demonstrate agency one must be an agent of some ideology.  The Sliders don't have a guiding philosophy that directs their actions.  They don't really stand for anything.

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It's hard to get a grip on Mallory because he was written so inconsistently.  The people actually running the show couldn't decide who he was, I don't know how we're supposed to.

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Where have you been?

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I love coffee and I love tea
I love the java jive and it loves me


All respect to the Ink Spots.  That's where the title comes from.

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The concept of someone going sliding to find something/someone they've lost is interesting.

Of course what you find in an alternate universe isn't the same as what you had.  It will always be a little different.  But it might be close enough for closure.

There's also the prospect that taking what you value from another world means someone there will now miss it, starting the cycle over again.


In any event, Quinn would comfort Laurel by talking about how he came to accept his own father's death.

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Oh God, that nonsense about "This isn't Earth".  Look, Diana was mistaken.  Either the fact of being in hyperspace or the buffer that's keeping them from sliding out is affecting her readings.  That's the simplest and most logical explanation.

ETA: Hey, they read my email which says pretty much the same thing!

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I wonder if they're going to retire the Alan Rickman impression now

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Season five has some of the same problems as season four in terms of inconsistencies in the overall season arc.  Taken individually there are several really good episodes here.  There's a reason the 5th season ratings were good enough to merit renewal.

For the next podcast: The Unstuck Man is probably as good as could be expected for an episode where you're replacing half the cast.  Applied Physics is one of the best episodes of the whole series and by far the best of this season.

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Looking forward to you doing season five.  I don't hate it the way some people do.

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Rembrandt goes through the wormhole, supposedly headed for his home world.  What did he find on the other side?  I've got seven possibilities.  Which one do you like?


1 Rembrandt arrives on his home world and it's the world from Genesis.  The virus he injected in himself works!  Any Kromagg that comes near him gets violently ill and starts to die.  He's on the lam, running and hiding from the Maggs.  A few days later, Diana, Maggie, and Mallory arrive with an anti-Kromagg device that will spread the virus throughout the whole world by air.  They set it off, the Maggs are defeated, and Diana uses their leftover equipment to create a new timer.

2 Rembrandt arrives on his home world and it's the one from Genesis.  The Maggs detected his incoming wormhole and are there waiting.  They gun him down immediately, the virus in his blood dying with him.  The other sliders arrive a few days later to a similar fate.  The Maggs take the device and find a cure for the virus, then invade Seer world.  The Dynasty reigns supreme!

3 Rembrandt arrives on his home world and it's the one from Genesis.  The Maggs detected his incoming wormhole and are there waiting.  They gun him down immediately.  The virus doesn't die right away, however.  It seeps into the air, causing illness and death to the Maggs in the immediate area.  By the time the other sliders arrive with the anti-Magg device there's a safe zone where they can set it off and save the world.  Though saddened by Remmy's death, the others continue on their sliding ways.

4 Rembrandt arrives on his home world and it's not the one from Genesis.  It's the one from the pilot, only five years later.  No one has heard of Kromaggs or sliding.  The other sliders arrive a few days later with the anti-Magg device.  Knowing the virus is harmless to humans and that the Maggs will eventually come here, they set the device off to spread the virus all over the world.  The sliders visit Quinn's mother, who is not the one from Genesis or from the Seer.  Rembrandt tells her what happened to him and she lets them use his equipment, which she left set up in the basement in case he came back.  Diana is able to create a new timer and they continue their adventures, using this world as a home base.  A few months later two Magg scout ships arrive, but the pilots succumb to the virus quickly and both ships crash into the World Trade Center.  The government covers it up, claiming it was hijacked jets, but many people don't believe the cover story.  After all, jet fuel can't melt steel beams but whatever fuel the Maggs use surely can.

5 It's a trap!  Geiger knew he had to eliminate the other sliders if his merger with Mallory succeeded.  When they foiled his plan, he instead used his plan for revenge.  Rembrandt exits the wormhole on a world with no atmosphere and dies immediately.  The other sliders follow a few days later and meet a similar fate.  It is just as the Seer foresaw. 

6 Rembrandt arrives on Combine World, home of Diana and Mallory.  After all, Geiger has no way of knowing Rembrandt's home coordinates and has no special affinity for him anyway.  He only wanted to help Diana and Mallory.  The other sliders arrive a few days later with the anti-Kromagg device.  Since it is too big to lug from world to world all the time and this world needs protection from the Maggs also, they set it off.  Diana has the formula for creating more of the virus in case they do eventually find Remmy's world.  They go back to Geiger's lab for Diana to create a new timer, only for Diana and Mallory to be arrested for Dr Geiger's murder.  A dozen witnesses saw them fire a laser at Geiger and him disintegrate, and internal security footage confirmed this testimony.  Maggie and Rembrandt break them out of prison and take them back to the lab, where Diana creates a new timer They slide out just as the police arrive to take them back into custody.

7  Geiger miscalculated again.  What he thought were Rembrant's home coordinates were actually the coordinates to Seer world, which is how they wound up there in the first place.  Where does Remmy end up when he slides out?  Think of a roulette wheel...

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There was a clue on Jeopardy last night about the Einstein-Rosen bridge.  They left out Podolski, which probably isn't why the contestant missed it.

So Quinn's mother left all his equipment intact in the basement for 20 years even though he gave up science?  A 20 year old VCR that's undoubtedly buried under a mountain of dust still works?

I know what you're talking about and I still find it confusing.  I can hardly imagine what a virgin slidehead would think.

ireactions wrote:

Well, once again -- the video journals show up in Quinn's basement, and 2015-Quinn thinks that they may have been left by a double. The video diaries guide Quinn through sliding.

The fact that these are the same sliders from the 1995-show is something very subtle, something only fans would notice. New viewers would simply go along with Quinn's assumption that the cassettes were left by an interdimensional double, presumably the same one who insulted the Professor and kissed Wade in 1994.

You're trying to introduce the concept of doubles before you've established the premise of the show.  You're going to have new people thinking it's about time travel.

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So the winner turned into the movie Idiocracy, except with time travellers instead of sliders?  Interesting.

The civilization of idiots idea is hardly a new or original one in sci fi.  Cyril Kornbluth published The Marching Morons in the 1950's.  HG Wells had the Eloi in The Time Machine.  Olaf Stapledon's Last and First Men has a number of civilizations suffering a decline due to lost intelligence.  Of course Stapledon also wrote a novel about living flames, so using him as inspiration for Sliders episodes might not be the greatest idea...

ireactions wrote:

Matt's idea was that these are not doubles of the original sliders. These are the original sliders. But they have forgotten Seasons 1 - 5. The video cassettes, I think, are a great way to bring in continuity but isolate it entirely to these fragments of video diaries. The video diaries would serve the role that Smarter!Quinn played in the Pilot of explaining sliding to Quinn. New viewers, however, would just think the videos are from a double of Quinn.

That's going to be very confusing and off putting to new viewers.

I think recasting is the best way to go.

Yes, people desire closure.  I don't think it's possible to get it in the way they want it.

A reboot with the open possibility of revisiting the old gang as guest stars is the only way Sliders will ever get back on the air.

I agree that ireactions is unnecessarily harsh sometimes.


On further reflection re: once per season having old sliders as guest stars, it would probably be better not to have Diana, Maggie, and Mallory still on Seer World 20 years later.  Maybe have Diana and Mallory back on their home world, having given up sliding after splitting Quinn from Mallory, then in season six have Maggie and Quinn still sliding randomly happening to appear on the same world as the New!Sliders.

Cyrokin wrote:

I'm pretty sure it's on the car, Kia SOUL. It's a bit more rounded-out but it looks practically just like it.

This is the Kia Soul font:

http://www.brandsoftheworld.com/sites/default/files/styles/logo-thumbnail/public/0021/6153/brand.gif

ireactions wrote:

I like pilight's idea of having the gender-swapped sliders meet the original sliders later on in the series instead of the first episode. That's probably a good way to handle it. This would be tender and touching for the old fans, but putting if farther into the run of the series would prevent it from being confusing for the new ones.

You wouldn't do them all at once.  Maybe one (or one group) per season.

Season one.  The New!Sliders arrive on a world with an Azure Gate Bridge.  They meet an aging professor who was accidentally left here years ago by another group of sliders.  He's done well for himself here, introducing velcro to a world that had not invented it made him quite wealthy, and considering his mid 70's age declines to slide out with the group.  This would have to be a part of some larger story set on this world.

Season two.  The New!Sliders meet a woman who can open vortexes with her mind.  She was a Kromagg captive but escaped and has been on the run from them for many years.  The new group help her escape a nefarious Kromagg trap.  They end up going their separate ways as the woman does not want to endanger any more people by having them travel with her.  It's possible they could cross paths with her again in a future episode.

Season three.  The New!Sliders appear in a park at the foot of a statue commemorating the savior of the world, Rembrandt Brown.  They find out he was also a slider and saved his world by returning with an anti-Kromagg virus in his blood.  Old!Rembrandt is dead, so New!Rembrandt is feted as his replacement and encouraged to stay.  Storywise it's kind of a cross between The Return of Maggie Beckett and The Seer.  The Guardian and Dust established that slight differences in the speed of the Earth's rotation can put the sliders in a world where their duplicates are a different age.  The New!Sliders learn that Old!Rembrandt came from Seer world as a setup for a later episode.

Season four.  The New!Sliders feel something odd in the transit to the world they land on, as if there was a fifth person in the wormhole.  Despite that, just the four arrive on this Amish world.  Once they start exploring they see visions of a man they don't know.  The locals see it also.  They know who it is and believe it to be the ghost of a man named Colin Mallory.  New!Quinn and New!Professor don't believe in ghosts.  They believe the man must have gotten unstuck somehow and work to restore him to this, his home world.  Of course they meet resistance from the locals, who see their technology as witchcraft.

Season five.  The New!Sliders come to a world where there is a philosophy known as Slidology, based on another group of sliders whose activities were envisioned by man known as the seer.  One of the four Old!Sliders left but the other three have been prevented from leaving by Slidology's leader, Claire LeBeau.  She's wealthy and influential and has access to a bunch of old Kromagg gear left behind when the people of this world drove them out with a virus, which is more than enough to keep the remaining Old!Sliders from leaving.  New!Quinn helps them build a more advanced timer, like the one the New!Sliders have, than can bypass the force field LeBeau uses to cap wormholes and let them escape.  Before the groups split, New!Rembrandt tells the Old!Sliders the fate of Old!Rembrandt from their season three adventure.

Very simply -- your material would be stronger if you just had these gender-swapped, twentysomething versions of Wade and Quinn discovering sliding and going on an adventure with only subtle efforts to tie into the classic series. Your efforts to do so overtly result in confusion, alienation and the inability to appeal to those new viewers I was talking about.

I was thinking about this.  It would work better if New!Quinn seeing the old sliders was a mid episode flashback rather than a teaser.  We'd have to make a bigger deal of her seeing it when she was five in the early episode dialogue, with the flashback coming when she tells the whole story to New!Professor and/or New!Rembrandt.  Plus, using the old gang in a teaser will make people think we're going to see them again (or even possibly that the show is about them).

Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

Han says he's never seen or heard of anything like the Force.

Well. no, he's clearly heard of it...

Han Solo wrote:

Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. No mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.

He knows what the Force is, he just doesn't believe in it.  Obi-Wan might as well be talking about a flying reindeer with a red nose as far as Han is concerned.

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Las Vegas is only about 270 miles from LA, well within range of the timer.

Rey knew the legends of Jedi and the Force, including the Mind Trick.  Her encounter with Luke's light saber and Ren's mental probes had let her know she had Force sensitivity.  So she gave it a shot.

I never thought he was actually guiding the torpedoes using the force, but I can see how that might've been what he was doing.

That's what Obi-Wan's ghost was telling him to do.  Luke of A New Hope certainly never questioned what anyone else told him to do.

They don't have to have the same personalities.  I'm not even locked into the names.  I saw New!Wade as a video game nerd with very limited social skills.  I envisioned someone like Alfre Woodard as New!Professor, bringing a different tenor to the abrasiveness.

Luke got pretty good with the force even before his training with Yoda

Luke went chasing after R2-D2 early one morning.  By late afternoon of the same day he was blowing up the Death Star.  I'd say he learned very quickly.

Rey, OTOH, had almost nothing to do with destroying the Starkiller Base.

You want another take on how a new series could be a semi-continuation of the old one?

A girl, about five years old, is playing in her back yard.  Suddenly a vortex opens.  Frightened, she hides in the bushes as four people come flying out.  She can't see their faces but she hears them talking about sliding and interdimensional travel.  Fans of the old show recognize the voices as Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt, and the professor.  A moment later, one of them activates the timer and they slide out.

The girl comes out of the bushes and looks around, but sees nothing.  She has an intense look on her face, as if she's found her life's passion despite her young age.

...

20 years later the girl is now a woman working in a basement lab much like Quinn's from the pilot.  A man about her age enters the lab.

"What's so urgent, Quinn?"

"Wade!  I've got it this time."  She's standing in front of a white board with an equation indecipherable to 99% of the world.  The equation is not complete.

"You've been saying that since we were in middle school."

"This time the equation is right."  She adds the final term and punctuates it with a heart shaped smiley face.

The man spends a long time looking at the equation as she keeps talking.

"It's really simple, Wade, and it takes very little power.  I can create an Einstein-Rosen-Podolsky bridge with a slightly modified cell phone."  She holds up her phone, which has two small metal spikes sticking out of the top

The mention of a phone jolts Wade into action.  "Other people need to see this.  It has to be verified by someone smarter than me."  He pulls out his phone and takes a picture of the equation.  "I'm putting this on Facebook and Instagram."

She's miffed at his lack of faith in her.  "It's right.  Watch."  She activates the app on her phone and a vortex appears in the middle of the room.  "That's what I saw when I was five.  That's the doorway to another world."

Wade is even more dumbfounded by this than he was by the equation.  He starts to take a picture of this as well but Quinn stops him.  "I'm not ready to share this yet.  We have to test it first."


The episode proceeds with the new Quinn and Wade going to a world very much like Elvis World in the old pilot, except it's Michael Jackson in concert instead of Elvis and the radio guy talks about how "This country will never have a black president".  When they come back the professor is at Quinn's door wanting to talk about the equation, having seen it in Wade's picture.  Quinn shows off her discovery, they slide but Quinn adds too much power to accommodate the extra person and a fourth, who was just passing by, is caught in the vortex as well.

Where do they end up?  Dunno, it could be anywhere...

All of the Star Wars films have had substantial plot holes.  The Force Awakens is no worse than the others in that regard.

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Data World is a bad episode.  Way Out West isn't great, but it is fun.

Rey will probably be Luke's daughter or something.  Honestly, though, there's limited evidence that force sensitivity is an inherited trait.

given that Quinn wouldn't have aged in quantum limbo

We don't know that.  He's been combined with Mallory, who would be aging during that time, so he could well come out as a 40-something if he gets separated.

The new slider is the son of Arturo and he meets Rembrandt who provides a Wiki-style summary of how he wrapped up all the plots of Seasons 3 - 5

Grandson/granddaughter would be more appropriate.  I would envision Rembrandt appearing as not much more than a cameo, throwing a bone to the fans of the old series.

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Perhaps if Sliders is remade they'll keep the same names but make Quinn a girl and Wade a boy.

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If you ran across a double of another gender, would you recognize them as a double?  Quinn didn't at first.

omnimercurial wrote:

Although I have to admit I steer clear of Sliders mixed with Settings that have Magic, Supernatural etc. I prefer more Scientific principles at work.

Like Arthur C Clarke said; "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic".  Of course Sliders already covered that with Into the Mystic, but it could be done again with a different twist.

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Transmodiar wrote:

Well, let me ask you this: what's a bigger priority for a Dynasty that can't have children? Solve that problem, build a series of breeding camps to create half Kromagg, half human children (ensuring the Dynasty's extinction in 2-4 generations), or master the cloning of human beings?

They may have perfected human cloning before the attack that stopped them from having children.  Maybe they got the human cloning technology from a world they conquered and found it didn't work on Kromagg DNA.  Maybe they are cloning Kromaggs on some worlds we didn't see.

You're also assuming the Dynasty will act rationally.  That has not been the norm for Kromaggs we've seen.  They act from emotion over reason almost all the time.

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Transmodiar wrote:

It doesn't even have to be a clone, just a real Colin brainwashed like Rembrandt and/or Rembrandt's dad. This allows for doubles while keeping the arc intact. It also removes the incredulous idea that the Kromaggs can clone humans but can't seem to do the same for Kromaggs!

That's also possible.

Being able to clone humans and not Kromaggs is defensible as well.  Kromagg DNA could be more complex.  Maybe they can clone Kromaggs but they know it's a dead end in terms of saving the species.  Replicative fading would set in after only a few generations.  Maybe they have ethical issues with cloning their own that they don't have with lesser species like humans.

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omnimercurial wrote:

Some Stuff can be Made original but as it is a non profit Fan Edit I don't see a problem in borrowing Scenes from other Media.

The copyright owners might disagree.  If you're planning on posting the video where it can be seen, they could take legal action.

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The presence of the Colin double does not preclude the possibility that he is a clone of Quinn.  It just means the Colin double is also a Quinn double.  We know doubles don't always look like the characters.  See Logan St Clair and any time Rembrandt's double is played by Cleavant's brother.  The Kromaggs would have made the quickest and easiest adjustment to make Colin look different from Quinn, which means a Colin double is a likely look for a Quinn double.

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intangirble wrote:

...seriously, Diggs is a minister? What church? I really need to attend the Church of Diggs now.

Bible Believers Missionary Baptist Church in Lakewood CA

http://www.biblebelieversmbc.org/meet-the-pastor

Slide Override wrote:
ireactions wrote:

If SLIDERS ever came back as a new TV show, I'm sure there'd be some web comic tie-ins. An anthology series, SLIDERS OTHERWORLDS, could contain alternate visions of the Season 6 style stories. Maybe a SLIDERS-CLASSIC series could feature SLIDERS REBORN. But the new TV show itself? I cannot stress enough in the name of all that is holy that SLIDERS must be simple, accessible and welcoming in reaching out to a new audience -- or there is no point in making the series. It can't be SLIDERS for me or you. It has to be a SLIDERS that Laurie would enjoy. The audience is Laurie. There's billions of Lauries, there's only 15 to 20 of you and me.

This just bares repeating dozens of times over. SLIDERS could only work commercially now as a day-one reboot. Any form of continuation or spin-off is just impossible.

It would have to be about a new cast.  No way could any of the old Sliders be central figures in a new series.

That having been said, I don't think it is required to completely break from the old series.  Given the premise, everything is potentially within its continuity.

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Lester Barrie, who played Elston Diggs, is out of the acting business.  He's a minister in Southern California.

Also to be considered, the professor would be in his 70's.  Rembrandt would be in his 60's.  Are they really going to be willing and able to participate in interdimensional adventure?  Any live action reboot will have to have some new characters.


Use Rembrandt as the wise old Slider telling the professor's granddaughter Max not to continue her experiments with recreating the technology.  She doesn't listen because she's heard (or read) his stories and is convinced her grandfather is still alive on Azure Gate Bridge world and she wants to bring him home.  Of course something goes wrong, causing Max and her friends to go sliding randomly through the multiverse...

I'm not saying Sliders should be remade with a more prepared or equipped group, just that it's worth discussing the possibility.

As for equipment, it never made any sense to me that the group kept sliding empty handed.  Any normal person, once they accepted they would be sliding into unknown worlds for indeterminate periods of time on a regular basis, would pretty quickly acquire a backpack and fill it with clothes, food and water, small tools, spare parts for the timer, and other handy items.

Realistically, an organization developing sliding is far more likely than a college kid accidentally inventing it in his basement.  It could be a government operation, a private group, or even an NGO.  I suppose you could make the show about a team from an organization that gets lost.  That would still mean a more prepared and equipped group than the original gang.

Let's take a different approach and start with some fundamentals.

If it's a reboot, are the characters still sliding with no preparation at all?  I get that the show works better if they're sliding randomly.  The question is whether they took the initial slide on a lark like Quinn and company or had an actual objective in mind and planned accordingly.

Who are the characters?  If it's a planned expedition, what sort of people would you want on your slide?  What equipment would they carry?

Is it a government run operation?  What would they be trying to do?  Just recon and exploration?  Cultural and technological exchange?  Exploitation?  Conquest?

Transmodiar wrote:
Cyrokin wrote:

^^^ Those are some pretty nice ideas. big_smile The last one reminds me of the Star Trek: Voyager episode "Caretaker".

They should all remind you of Star Trek because they are all ST plots. smile

Some of them are older than that.  Any of them could be given a Sliders spin.

Cyrokin wrote:

^^^ Those are some pretty nice ideas. big_smile The last one reminds me of the Star Trek: Voyager episode "Caretaker".

It's closer to Spock's Brain, actually.  The notion of them taking Quinn's brain seemed a little much, however.

So, actual ideas...

Something akin to "The Weaker Sex" except played seriously.  A world where the women are dominant physically; bigger, stronger, faster like the men are on our world.

A world where the atmosphere is intoxicating to some of the Sliders.  Rembrandt has to keep things together when Quinn, Wade, the professor are "drunk" because of the air.

A world entirely populated by androids, where the organic population died out long ago.

A world where there was recently a biological war and one side released a germ that killed all the adults, only children remain.  Once the kids come of age they die, and the Sliders catch it as well!

A world where the Greek Gods were real.  Except they weren't Gods at all, just people who invented advanced technology and used it to keep the rest of the population as their worshipers/slaves.  And their descendants have kept up the practice.

A world that rotates much faster than ours, causing the Sliders to age rapidly.

A world where the Roman Empire never fell, and now uses modern technology to stream gladiatorial battles and the like.

A world where some renegade Kromaggs don't kill humans, they use them as entertainment by forcing them to fight to the death while the Maggs wager on the results.

A world where there has been an ecological disaster and the few remaining humans live underground in a controlled environment.  Unfortunately, the computer that runs everything is failing and they've lost the capability to repair it.  Easy job for Quinn, if only there was enough time.  The locals, however, won't allow him to leave until he's fixed it.

The genius of Sliders is that it can cross over with anything.  They could slide into Sunnydale and meet Buffy.  They could slide into the Walking Dead.  They could slide into the Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers.  They could slide into Captain EO.  They could slide into the Brothers Grunt.  Go to TV Tropes and click the button for random media.  Whatever you get, Sliders could surely cross over with it somehow.  I've got a half written story about them crossing over with characters from a movie called Hard Ticket to Hawaii.

Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

Well, see, if we were being realistic with the concept of alternate worlds, wouldn't the *vast* majority of Earths traveled to be lifeless?  If we're starting with the first possible branching point, it'd be the big bang, and if that hadn't happened the exact way that it did, the Earth wouldn't be able to support life.

It would depend on what causes divergences.  Not every action that happens causes an alternate world in which that action doesn't happen.  Not only would it be cosmologically unwieldy, you'd end up with bunches of Earths that were functionally identical.  The Sliders think they're home until they meet one of their doubles after they miss the window, never finding out the only difference between this world and theirs is 500 years ago a man in Budapest dropped a coin that landed on heads instead of tails.  That would also make for dull storytelling.

I would write something into any Sliders reboot  that gives some technobabble explanation that the timer can somehow scan worlds while in the vortex to make sure the Earth a) is there and b) can sustain life before it opens up the exit portal.

You could make it simpler and just say a vortex can only form between Earths that are ecologically similar.  If needed you could even specify ranges of temperature or gravity or radiation or air pressure or whatever.

Like I said, people want closure.  They want to finish one story before they start another.  Never mind that the series we're talking about was notorious for not doing that.  That's why people are focused on following up on the cliffhanger that ended The Seer.

ireactions wrote:

I don't understand the obsession with Kromaggs and the invasion of Earth and the cliffhanger of "The Seer." Why do you want to extend stories you clearly didn't like? Why would you want a SLIDERS reboot meant for a new audience to deal with episodes this new audience likely hasn't seen?

I guess I misunderstood what you were looking for.  I was thinking about what the pilot for a new series would look like.  The natural thing for fans of the show to want would be to have a reunion show of the original sliders.  I could see a that concept being used as a springboard for a new version with new characters.  Maybe keep one of the old characters if the actor is willing.  If Tembi Locke would rather play Diana than do more State Farm commercials and TV walkons I'm not going to tell her no.

ireactions wrote:

I have to say, I am a little sad by how this thread has turned out.

I don't understand the obsession with Kromaggs and the invasion of Earth and the cliffhanger of "The Seer." Why do you want to extend stories you clearly didn't like? Why would you want a SLIDERS reboot meant for a new audience to deal with episodes this new audience likely hasn't seen?

In my view, the main challenges of a SLIDERS revival are coming up with cool parallel Earth ideas, one per episode and creating a show that will never run out of ideas and also using the more serialized approach of modern TV. What would a SLIDERS with ongoing character development and running plots be like? What would a SLIDERS with detailed character backstories revealed over multiple seasons be like? What would parallel Earths be like with modern day filming and special effects where digital cameras, background composition and CG augmentation be like?

What would the timer look like?

Don't let me prevent you from enjoying the show however you like, of course. :-)

It's not about extending bad story lines, it's about closure.

Once a season would be plenty of Kromaggs.  You could still use them as plot devices when they're not in the episode, like in Asylum.

The timer would look like smartphone.  Heck, it might just be an app.  Today's phones have more computing power than Quinn's entire basement setup from 1995.

NDJ wrote:
pilight wrote:

It would have to be a reboot.  Bring in Cleavant Derricks for the piilot.  Establish that Rembrandt brought the pathogen that drove the Kromaggs off the world decades ago, and have that story inspire professor Arturo's granddaughter Max to reinvent the technology.  By accident, she slides some other people with her and they're off exploring new worlds.

I like the idea of continuing the story right where “The Seer” left off and I’d love to see Cleavant Derricks again- it's a great way to link old and new. I do have a couple of issues though.

Arturo neglected his son- why would this son turn around and name his daughter after a neglectful father? Why would she go looking for a man her father no doubt bad mouthed (or probably never mentioned)?

Why would Rembrandt’s stories inspire anyone? In the original story, Quinn was encouraged by scientific curiosity and a promise of fun and adventure by someone (a version of himself) who said it was a joyride. It was all fresh and new and unexplored.

By comparison, Rembrandt’s stories are horrific. First, they got lost with little to no hope of returning home. Second, from his point of view, he has lost three friends (Quinn, Wade, and Colin) whose deaths were the direct result of sliding (Arturo’s death was the result of sliding but since he was terminal, he was going to die anyway). Rembrandt can tell people about the planet full of women or where he was a musical icon, but mostly he would have stories about how the Kromaggs rule over multiple Earths (a lesson they would know all too well); planets on the verge of destruction through resource mismanagement or through no fault of their own; and how not knowing the simplest thing like the correct currency can get you sent to jail.

I don’t really see anybody wanting to start up something like this if all they had to go on was Rembrandt’s experiences. The military might be interested but then it ends up being more like Stargate SG-1.

People have a way of hearing what they want to hear.  She could be excited about new worlds and different people.  The Kromaggs would have been eliminated from her Earth when she was a preschooler, she might assume it's the same everywhere.  Besides, she's not hearing all the details of Rembrandt sliding, she just knows he left then came back to save the world.  What could be more inspiring than that?  Maybe Rembrandt even tries to tell her and she just doesn't listen because she's hard headed like her grandfather.  Maybe she does hear some details and believes her grandfather is still alive on Azure Gate Bridge world, so she sets out to find him.

As for her being named Max, that's negotiable.  I just think it's a nice nod to the old show.

It would have to be a reboot.  Bring in Cleavant Derricks for the piilot.  Establish that Rembrandt brought the pathogen that drove the Kromaggs off the world decades ago, and have that story inspire professor Arturo's granddaughter Max to reinvent the technology.  By accident, she slides some other people with her and they're off exploring new worlds.