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TemporalFlux wrote:

or the finale of Man of Steel lifted from the death-free Action Comics Annual 11 by Geoff Johns.

I've never heard this comparison before and googling it didn't give me much.  What happened in the comic version?

Scroll down a bit, but you can see the full synopsis here:

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Action_Comics_Annual_Vol_1_11

It was the conclusion to a story-line that saw Zod and Ursa’s son (then seven or eight years old) escape the Phantom Zone and become the foster son of Clark and Lois.  In addition to the similar plot resolution, the scene in Man of Steel where Superman strains to fly Lois away from the Phantom Zone vortex is a direct reproduction of a panel from Annual 11.

I think it’s a safe bet all of this was introduced because of Geoff Johns involvement in the movies.  It also doesn’t hurt that Johns and David Goyer (writer on Man of Steel)  worked together writing the JSA comic starting in 1999.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

https://screenrant.com/justice-league-r … rner-bros/

Take it with a grain of salt, but this is potentially one reason why they didn't move the release date back.

It would fit with my impression of the Warner execs. I really think they are perplexed at why super-heroes sell.  They are fumbling in the dark with this; and they’ve either been getting bad advice or not giving enough faith to the good advice.  But that’s the problem - they can’t tell the difference between the two because they’re out of their depth.

Love him or hate him, Kevin Feige is an actual Marvel Comics fan.  He reads the comics.  A quote from this article sums it up:

https://www.ft.com/content/b2db3a84-5ec … 144feabdc0

Mr Feige’s distinctive commercial trait is to insist Marvel movies do not deviate from the source material: the comics. In a Bloomberg Businessweek interview this year he recalled, as a producer on the X-Men movies, hearing executives agonising about how to develop a particular scene or character. “I’d be sitting there reading the comics going, ‘Look at this. Just do this. This is incredible.’”

Snyder understands this too; he proved it with 300 and Watchmen. But with the DCEU, he’s been stitching together comic scenes like Frankenstein (whether it be the Batman Superman fight lifted from Dark Knight Returns or the finale of Man of Steel lifted from the death-free Action Comics Annual 11 by Geoff Johns).  It just doesn’t work if a movie is formulated on the premise of connecting cool scenes together; and I really think that’s what Snyder has been focused on and what Warner has listened to.

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As we know with movies, they don’t always follow the source material.  It may be called Flashpoint, but that doesn’t mean the resolution to the story is re-writing history.  Barry could end up shattering reality as a whole which means anything could happen.

Also, the Flashpoint in the comics wasn’t cut and dried alt history.  When Barry got back, everyone was ten years younger even though he did arrive at the right date.  They’re just now exploring how those ten years got shaved off, who did it and why.

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In today’s world, I really think X-men is a better metaphor for Islam.  Magneto in the comics has often been presented as a terrorist; it’s how he operates.  For the sake of furthering his people (or in our metaphor, his religion), Magneto will tear the world apart - respect through fear.  On the other side of the spectrum are the X-men who hold many of the same beliefs as Magneto but don’t want to hurt innocents to attain their goals.  They also at times come across as reluctant to be too hard on Magneto which makes the outside observer wonder just whose side the X-men are on.

In our world, it’s been very easy to lump all of Islam together because of the actions of a segment of their ranks.  Imagine if the world’s mainstream introduction to mutants is Magneto leveling a city.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

http://www.superherohype.com/news/40913 … e#/slide/1

This is a weird strategy.

Reminds me of the old “wheel format” where four different shows were shown on a rotating basis.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_NBC_Mystery_Movie

This was actually the plan for Sliders season four if it stayed on Fox.  They were going to produce fewer episodes and place it in a wheel with The Visitor, a time travel type show that wasn’t picked up and one of Fox’s reality shows like “When (blank) Attacks!”.  Under that plan, Sliders would have aired only one time every four weeks with no reruns.

I almost wonder if this is a kind of test run for CW.  Imagine one or two slots per week dedicated to DC programming, and it rotates.  One week it’s Arrow; next week it’s Flash.  And if they crossover more, it’s really like one big DC anthology show broadcast 52 weeks a year.  Doing it in that staggered schedule would make production breaks overlap another show’s filming and that could make crossover production easier as an actor could pop in for a week during their months off.

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Not surprising, but a shake-up in the DCEU and likely change in direction:

http://deadline.com/2017/12/jon-berg-pr … 202222300/

Finished watching the first half of Discovery, and it feels more like Trek now.  For me it started in earnest with the Harry Mudd episode where he’s trying to take over the Discovery.  All told, that’s a faster turn around than the other modern Trek series; it took each of them a good two years to settle in.

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Informant wrote:

How do they even handle these episodes on DVD? I haven't checked to see about that.

The first crossover with Vandal Savage was surprisingly done right - the Flash episode was included in the Arrow set and vice versa.  If you only bought Flash season 2 on DVD, you still got the full story; you didn’t even have to swap discs as they were already there in order.

For the Invasion crossover, it was initially advertised that the entire crossover would be in the Flash season three set, but that turned out to not be true.   If you want to see every part of Invasion on DVD, then you have to buy all four DVD sets and swap out the discs for each part.  I think it does tell you which part you have on your set, but it doesn’t tell you on what sets to find the other parts.  I guess they think that’s what Google is for.

So I expect Crisis on Earth X to get the Invasion treatment on DVD.  Maybe they’ll surprise me and do it right like they did the Vandal Savage crossover.

As for the insertion of social and political issues into these shows, I regret that people in film have lost their subtlety.  It’s similar to what almost happened with Back to the Future. If the film makers had an unlimited budget and no restrictions, the time machine was going to be a refrigerator and Marty would have gotten back to the future by riding inside of it at the heart of an atom bomb test in the desert.  When it was decided that would cost too much money to be done “right”, they went back to the drawing board and came up with a Delorean that could be powered by a lightning bolt.  An iconic idea was created because of limitations - because of restraint.  With CGI today, we would have gotten the refrigerator.

In our say anything, do anything world today; it seems there’s no reason to put more thought into ideas.  But messages can be delivered by more than just a hammer; and everyone’s product would be better if they placed limits on themselves (even using a simple question like “how do I get someone who hates these ideas to buy them?”).  If the productions thought that way, maybe we could get something like Classic Trek’s “Let That Be Your Last Battlefield” which I still hold to be one of the best spotlights on racism that has ever been put out there (honestly - who even noticed or cared which side of their face was colored until it was pointed out?  For most who saw it - especially kids - it was eye opening to the issue).

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

EDIT - It probably wouldn't have worked to have Evil Wally as Evil Flash since he doesn't really fit in with the Nazi hiring principles.  Whoops.

It does bring up an interesting thought, though.  With the full suit and total mask Earth X used (not to mention the blur trick), no one would necessarily know the guy in the suit was black.  With Wally X revealed after damage in a fight, the Nazis would turn on him; and there’s a lot of different angles to take from that point on. What is Wally X’s story and why did he want to be part of the Nazi super team?

Wherever that story went, it would have likely been much more interesting than the convoluted Thawne thing we got.

Incidentally, Thawne taunted Flash at the end by gleefully wondering what face he’ll use the next time he and Flash meet.  What if Thawne comes back with Wally’s face?

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Crisis on Earth X - pretty standard fare so far.  But there was something odd...

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The strangely excited girl who was trying to give Barry a drink before the wedding.  Is that going to be Barry’s time traveling grand daughter Jenni Ognats (otherwise known as XS of the 30th century Legion of Super-heroes)?

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/theflash/images/6/67/XS.png/revision/latest?cb=20091109031025

I haven’t seen every episode this season, so maybe this is old news and she was already introduced.

Also of note are the opening moments of the crossover on Earth X.  Red skies.  Not just a reference to the looming headline in Eobard’s bunker at Star Labs; but also possibly a sign that the true Crisis has reached Earth X first.

https://images.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,q_auto:good,w_600/vhbl8hgqcadnlnex4emm/dc-universe-fighting-under-the-red-skies.jpg

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Informant wrote:

But she doesn't have an Emmy, does she?

Not clear on what it was for, but she got an Emmy for something:

https://www.facebook.com/AllisonMackOff … 3729660761

From what I can gather, it's a Daytime Emmy for the animated Amazon series Lost in Oz:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_In_Oz_(TV_series)

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For me, the laugh out loud moment in this week’s Flash was Wally pointing out that nobody missed him.  It was so funny because I had honestly forgotten all about him until he showed up and said that.

But I’m also amused that the new metas are essentially the plot of the old Ultraverse comic “The Strangers”:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange … bu_Comics)

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Roy Dotrice Dies: Tony Winner & ‘Amadeus’ Actor Was 94

http://deadline.com/2017/10/roy-dotrice … 202189216/

I'm not surprised they don't mention his Sliders appearance in season four's "Data World" or season five's "The Seer".  Despite a good performance with the scripts he was given, I do not believe I would have wanted it noted in my obituary either.

Godspeed, Mr Chandler.

Caught up on Discovery, and the more I watch, the more I think the series just seems a little confused on its identity.  There will be a hint of Star Trek; and then a hint of Battlestar Galactica; and then a hint of Farscape.  I don't know.  I am enjoying it, but it's just not Trek to me.

That said, if this is set 10 years before Kirk, I don't see how the unique technology of Discovery can co-exist with the rest of Trek.  I suppose they could try to claim it's a highly classified thing that survives as part of Section 13, but it would be easier to have Discovery lost taking its secrets with it.  I'm getting a Rogue One vibe which brings us to yet another possible facet of the identity crisis with this series.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

Or, like they did with Robbie Amell, they could simply transfer the other half of Firestorm to a new character and kill Stein off.

Guggenheim posts the cover pages of scripts on Twitter, and the cover for Legends episode 5 ("Return of the Mack") had blood splatter on it.  Could be a hint to Stein's fate.

As for where to go without Stein, it would be interesting to see them refer back to how it was handled when Jason Rusch first became Firestorm.  Jason became Firestorm when he was caught in the explosion as Ronnie Raymond died in Firestorm form; and as a result, Jason had no partner.   To become Firestorm, Jason could use *anyone* as his partner with or without their permission - ranging from an 8 year old girl to Superman.  The interesting thing is that Jason didn't always end up being the dominant personality as Firestorm - it depended on the person he merged with.

They've sort of established this already with Jax as he had no partner originally but just adapted to Stein.   If the full Firestorm matrix transfers to Jax, then theoretically he could continue to adapt to have anyone as his partner.  And if they go this route, we could end up with all sorts of interesting combos such as a passive Captain Cold voice in Jax's head or even a dominant Heat Wave as Firestorm with Jax along for the ride.

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Came across this earlier, and the description makes one believe it could realize the full potential of Sliders "Virtual Slide" and "Net Worth".  Of course, AR was not really on the radar back in 1998.

Anyway, I'll track it down later; but here's a synopsis for any who might be interested:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/skinned-1/4000-450650/

Iris is the perfect marriage of artificial intelligence and virtual reality, serving as the backbone for enhanced reality contact lenses that provide users with the perfect antidote to reality's many maladies. From pop-culture inspired fantasies to manifestations of their personal imagining, they see the world precisely as they wish. To ensure societal tranquility, citizens of cView City are fitted with a pair of lenses at birth, but when Aldair--a teenage programming heiress--gets a glimpse of life with her own eyes, the world she once knew irrevocably changes forever.

After watching the first ep on CBS, I went ahead and subscribed to All Access.  Overall, I enjoyed it.  For me, it had a DS9 feel - a different tone from what I consider Star Trek, but enough to connect it.  I'll keep watching.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

I also apparently need to rewatch Jessica Jones because I could not, at any point, figure out what her powers were supposed to be (besides just being strong).  Is she bulletproof?  Can she fly?

Going by the comics, her skin is tough but probably not bullet proof; she's suffered injuries from something as simple as a knife, but to her it was a bleeding scratch where a normal person would have been cut open.

She also can fly, but she's pretty bad at it.  She doesn't like to fly as a result (and can even get air sick when she tries).

Informant wrote:

Are you normally able to touch the guests? While I don't like Wil Wheaton, I have to admit, that would drive me insane.

Guest usually sets the tone.  Matt Smith doesn't like people touching him, but he's a shy, awkward guy (very nice, though).  David Tennant and Billie Piper on the other hand just grab right into you.

The only group Ive seen told not to touch the guest was with Stan Lee; and to be honest, I think that was more because they were thinking he might die.  Stan was pretty much just propped up in a chair and didn't move or say anything.

Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

What's weird is that it happened right in the era where the show and the movies were working together.  In three TNG-era series (all featuring a Klingon in the main cast), they never explained what happened to the Klingon homeworld?

It turned out the explosion deniers were right; there was nothing wrong with the environment.  Ah'lGorr was financially ruined as a result.

RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

I was just looking at the IMDB. The rating is decent, but I also noticed it was created by Danny Bilson (I think that's rachel bilson's dad).

Ha!  And his father was a director best known for work on the Get Smart tv series (for which he won an Emmy).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Bilson

On a side note, Bilson and DeMeo also wrote a six issue arc of the Flash comic in 2006:

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/The_Flash:_Lig … n_a_Bottle

It passed the mantle of Flash to Barry's grandson Bart Allen after Wally disappeared during Infinite Crisis; and the story featured Tina McGee from the 90's show.  In the arc following Bilson's, Bart was beaten to death by the Rogues, and Wally returned as the Flash.

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Don't know how many episodes they've got planned for Legends season three, but a regular season order could see Professor Stein absent from the last half:

http://deadline.com/2017/09/bernadette- … 202162008/

I guess they could potentially get around it by having Firestorm stuck in hero mode and Garber phoning in voice overs.

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Informant wrote:

The question is, what does this mean for Batgirl? He was obviously hired because "Feminist!", so what does the studio do with it now? Do they stand by the man who apparently drove his wife insane an, to some degree, did it on purpose? What would that look like, having him as the director of an iconic female superhero?

Well, if he touches on The Killing Joke mythology, then he could present Barbara being shot, paralyzed from the waist down and then stripped naked so that Joker can use the photos as part of an attempt to drive her father crazy.  Actually sounds like something that would fit into the Snyder-depressionverse.

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I think that ultimately the bigger concern is Chibnall as show runner.

With Moffat, we kind of had an idea of where he would go because of his stories during the Davies era.  Moffat was overall more focused on the big ideas with characters woven into that. 

With Chibnall, I think it's going back more to the overall flavor of the Davies era, and Chibnall will focus on characters first with big ideas secondary or even not present at all (such as his Torchwood episode which was simply the team vs human serial killers - a story that could have been on any generic drama).  And I think it's worth noting too that creators tend to use things they identify with; and given his involvement in Torchwood (I believe Chibnall was de facto show runner of season two), I feel confident we'll see Torchwood popping up again with possibly Captain Jack, Gwen and even Martha (who was part of season two).

In any case, I've been kind of spoiled on the big ideas of Moffat; and I don't really want to go backwards to the Davies years.  Personally, I believe it was the strong leads that carried Davies stories on their shoulders (Eccleston and especially Tennant).  If you remove Tennant's performance, many of those Davies era stories are pretty thin when you look at them through that lens.

So the question becomes, is Whittaker as an actor strong enough to carry the show on her back?  That could be what it comes down to; and it's a tall order.  We'll see; but to be honest, I'm thinking Ill use this as my jumping off point on the show.  I'm just not excited or interested by the casting choice, and it feels to me like an appeasement gimmick more than anything.  They think they're going to up their audience, and that's great.  I wish them well.

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If I'm paying $1200 for a phone, it's going to be this one:

https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/360/0713/09/sliders-original-timer-replica-full_360_3dbfc18ff53d6e81403e4ed8388729d3.jpg

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I do wonder if we're about to see HBO's "The Newsroom" play out in real life (which would be ironic given that season two of the series was a recreation of a scandal that rocked CNN in the 80's).

In the final season of Newsroom, the news network is spun off from the main company and left as a stand alone entity to fend for itself or die.  They end being bought by a young, Silicon Valley billionaire, and he pushes for the network to become pure tabloid tv.  In our reality, this could easily happen - imagine someone like Zuckerburg buying CNN and tying it into Facebook.

I do think that CNN is about to be left out in the cold, though.  The AT&T / Warner merger is on the horizon, and the AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson and Trump seem to get along well.  CNN may end up being a sacrifice to Trump to get the merger passed through.  But to be honest, I think Trump likes CNN being out there; it's a good punching bag for his entertainment urgings.

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Informant wrote:

It's a friggin comedy routine.

There is only one party with one set of goals.  This is all a show to keep the public at each other's throats and distracted; it's been that way for a couple of decades now.

Don't believe it?  Republicans have full control, but they can't lower taxes or even do something as simple as repeal Obamacare and release restrictions so that all insurance companies can compete in the free market (which would lower prices).  Along that line, let's also ask where tort reform is which would lower doctors expenses on their own liability insurance (which is their excuse for such high prices).

Republicans don't want to do these things - they have the same agenda as Democrats.

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RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

Well, this is something else

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/8 … 3880429568

Trump's comments are very odd to say the least; but whenever I think of Mika, I think of this:

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/xx_factor/2012/09/12/vanity_fair_profiles_mika_brzezinski_and_joe_scarborough_guess_who_poses_on_top_of_a_table_/1347389953723.jpg.CROP.rectangle3-large.jpg

I have no sympathy or respect for someone who allowed themself to be marketed as a piece of meat on a butcher block.  I mean, literally - a butcher block.  This is supposed to be some kind of journalist or respected authority on women's rights?

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Informant wrote:

Can someone explain to me why people hate the Amazing Spider-Man movies so much?

The first Amazing Spider-man is probably my favorite film with the character.  They hit all the right notes for me (it even somehow felt like the 80's comics I grew up with); and it provided the best explanation I've seen of why decent people in the world would fear and hate Spider-man (because of his initial focus on the almost ruthless hunt for Uncle Ben's killer).

Amazing Spider-man 2 was a huge drop of the ball and the worst of the franchise in my opinion.  The Spider-man costume was perfect, but everything else was like something Joel Schumacher made.  And as if my disappointment in the movie wasn't enough, the mid credits scene was some left field promo for X-men.

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Grizzlor wrote:

Hate to spoil your party, but most of these leaks are completely LEGAL!.

And if it's all kosher, then why aren't the leakers putting their name to it?  Instead we get "officials familiar with" or "sources say".

Maybe you say "but they'll get fired if they reveal who they are!"  They know they have no protection or justification for leaking these things.  This isn't whistleblower stuff; it's just smear.

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ireactions wrote:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na … fd6f98a8b7

This is only the beginning.

My question - will Mueller start investigating the leaks now coming out of his investigation?  Probably not.  But that's the interesting thing here - only a few are being held accountable for their actions while everyone else runs amok.  It's certainly been the case throughout history, but I don't recall in my lifetime ever seeing it so blatant and out in the open.

If Trump has done something wrong, it shouldn't have to be tried in the media on a second by second basis.  Imagine if that's how our legal system worked?  Actually might be a good idea for a Sliders alt history (though probably not dissimilar enough from Dead Man Sliding to be honest).

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In the current comics, Wonder Woman is kind of a mess.  However, the New 52 presented a Diana who could not fly; but during the course of her series, she was scratched by a feather of Hermes and gained the ability to fly.

I haven't seen the movie yet; but from what I'm reading, it seems like they're going with her 1950's power of being able to glide on air currents.  It's something akin to Jerry O'Connells ability to levitate in "My Secret Identity", but he had no movement unless there was an outside force propelling him.  With Wonder Woman, the strength of her jumps provide the initial boost for that.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

Stallone was the leader of the original lineup of the Guardians of the Galaxy....which will apparently be used in a future movie somehow.  Miley Cyrus was the voice of one of them.

The original Guardians was set 1000 years from present day and explored the future of the Marvel Universe (for instance an evil alien race known as the Stark who based their entire society around the technology found in some armor Iron Man had jettisoned).

Stallone was playing a character named Starhawk (the guy in blue pictured below):

http://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-By-Jim-Valentino-Vol.-01-001-1-322x268.jpg

Ving Rhames was playing the big guy (Charlie-27), and Michelle Yeoh (the grungy looking girl) was Starhawk's sister Aleta.  The crystal guy always with Stallone was another original Guardian named Martinex (played by Michael Rosenbaum).

Stallone's Starhawk thought he was the leader of the original Guardians, but the leader was really a guy named Vance Astro (a guy from present day who ended up in the future - Vance would even later find Captain America's shield in the future and start using it).  But Starhawk thought he should be leader because he had a seeming precognitive ability; in truth, he was just a guy like Bill Murray stuck in a time loop trying to manipulate events to get out of it.  Starhawk always called himself "The One Who Knows" which sounds like something Stallone would say, honestly.

As for Miley, she was voicing Mainframe who is what the Vision becomes 1000 years from now.   And the red alien was Krugarr who is the Sorercer Supreme a thousand tears from now (which is why they put those Doctor Strange effects on him in the movie).

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Venom could be a decent horror / anti-hero movie; Black Cat / Silver Sable could be a decent buddy movie with a thief and a spy.   The problem is that Sony doesn't really need the trademarks to do those movies - the brand awareness will likely help Venom, but it's going to do nothing for Cat / Sable.

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The past year has been pretty bad for me, and I've missed practically all of the 2016/2017 tv season.   I did the best with Flash, but still missed a good half dozen of those too.

I've only really watched two episodes of Supergirl this year - the premiere and the finale.  In the premiere I saw the potential; and in the finale they delivered. Very well done.   I'm most interested in where they left Mon-el.

Similar to the comics, Mon-el will die of lead poisoning on earth but ends up in the Phantom Zone. In the comics, this was done because the Zone essentially kept a person in stasis - Mon-el's condition would not get worse while they worked on a cure, but it also had the effect of freezing his aging process.  Mon-el spent 1000 years in there until the Legion of Super-heroes stumbled across him, and Brainiac 5 whipped up a cure for the poison.

What I see being set up in the tv series is a potential love triangle situation.  If Supergirl meets up with the Legion next season, then she may follow the comics and get into a relationship with Brainiac 5.  After they've been together awhile, he stumbles on Mon-el in the Phantom Zone.  He can save Mon-el; but what will that mean for his relationship with Supergirl?  Is Brainiac 5 the hero or will he be the villain everyone mistakes him for?

But with the "cliffhanger" tag on the end of the episode, I'm not sure that's in their immediate plans.  That entire sequence screamed Doomsday to me (the skull in the shield?  really?); and I'm excited to think they may actually do something I suggested before season two ever aired.  Could next season tell the comics version of The Death of Superman?

Supergirl would be a great way to explore that story as she becomes the vehicle for taking us to all of these things that are happening.  Supergirl initially finds Doomsday, and he swats her like a fly.  Doomsday marches on until Superman sacrifices himself to stop Doomsday.  Kara feels guilty, and takes Clark's place in Metro; but not for long after a news report hits that a teenage kid has shown up in National City claiming he's Superman.  She goes to check out this Superboy in her city; but while there the Eradicator posing as a Superman shows up because that's where his scans showed the Krptonians on the planet at that time.  Jeremiah Danvers reappears now with more obvious cybernetic enhancements as Cadmus rolls him out as the new Superman (giving us our Dean Cain return in a Superman suit).  While all of this is going on, John Henry Irons is setting himself up as Metropolis's new protector since no one else is there to do it.

It has great, great potential.  I could see it being epic.  But in most cases, I'm usually disappointed by what these production teams end up giving us; so my hopes are not up.

With the Flash finale - we'll, we could have had a lot more fun if HR was Abra Kadabra.  wink  Again, kind of a let down in some ways, but it ultimately was an entertaining episode.  With the ending, I'm just not sure what they're going for.  I guess they're treating this like Barry's death in Crisis where Wally takes over in the red suit?  Then we'll have Barry return after Wally has established himself as the one and only Flash.  If that's their plan, it just seems like an anti-climatic way to set up that story.  Oh well; we'll see.

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ireactions wrote:

And Trump revelations continue to bear an uncanny resemblance to President Lex Luthor's ousting from the White House...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na … c0049f1ebe

But you have to admit, it'll be pretty damn cool if we end up with this visual in the conclusion:

https://chasemagnett.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/president-luthor.jpg?w=723

Well, Star Trek has always liked to dance in social commentary and politics; in my opinion, it's what differentiates it from generic space opera.  With that in mind, I wonder if this new Klingon design has a purpose we're not seeing yet.

Looking at contemporary social issues, could the new Klingons be a Star Trek attempt at commenting on Black Lives Matter?  Is the Federation profiling Klingons just because they appear to be Klingons?  What if they were innocent and a misunderstanding leads to war?

I always understood the Cold War allegory with the Klingons, but the visceral hatred that was sometimes shown between humans and Klingons was a step above the flavor of the Cold War.  Discovery could be where they take a stab at explaining that hatred.

In any case, if the new show wants the Star Trek feel, they'll have some level of social awareness.  It may not be in this Klingon change, but it needs to be somewhere.  There's many different ways they could touch on illegal immigration, for instance.  Brexit could be explored as a culture tries to leave the Federation.  There are several avenues.

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https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/syfy-moving-logo.gif?w=446&h=299&crop=1

http://deadline.com/2017/05/syfy-new-lo … 202089790/

Yuck.

Well, who knows - we might get a 3 second Sliders clip on some anniversary special again.

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Enh.  I'm behind on watching, so I can only respond based on comments.  It seems to me that if they were going to go this route, the season should have been a mystery of "Who is Barry Allen?"  He could have returned from Flashpoint a little "off" but it would progressively get more and more alarming during the season.  I think it would have been a good counterpoint to season one by having a reverse of the Reverse Flash story where Barry isn't what he seems and ends up being the speedster villain of the season.  They could have even completed the circle by having Thawne show up to try to warn them and nobody believing him.

But like many of the ideas we've had since season one, what we get feels half baked.  I think it's still the production team being stretched too thin; and if that's it, it's only going to get worse with Black Lightning and Titans now in the mix.

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Informant wrote:

And at some point, Grant needs to hit the gym and take some protein supplements. He's a superhero, for crying out loud.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/33308/1163586-fatflash.jpg

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Now here's something interesting:

http://deadline.com/2017/04/dc-digital- … 202076831/

A new DC Comics focused digital service that's going to offer access to digital comics along with exclusive DC television and movie content - including Young Justice season 3 and a Teen Titans live action series produced by Berlanti.   The interesting bit there is - will the Arrowverse Wally run over to become part of the Titans cast?  Also mentioning we could be one step closer to an Arrowverse Justice League with Nightwing filling the Batman role (or Batman himself showing up like Superman did on his cousin's series).

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Informant wrote:

I wish I could unknow this news. sad

I like Batgirl, but Joss is not the man for the job. Or any job.
He should stick to Marvel.

Don't worry.  I'm sure it will be revealed that in her down time Barbara lives on a farm with her wife and two kids.

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Here's something I wouldn't be surprised to see in a Sliders story:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ … eroid.html

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Informant wrote:

I haven't been keeping up with news on this movie. What does "Homecoming" refer to, aside from Disney getting the ability to integrate him into their franchise? Does the story involve him coming back to New York after some great amount of time? I'm a little confused.

From my understanding, it's set in the lead-up to and during Peter's high school homecoming dance.  They've said they really want this to be a John Hughes movie (Breakfast Club, 16 Candles, etc) mixed in with super-heroes.

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Informant wrote:

Sigh. Yeah.

Legends of Tomorrow ruins everything! Are we supposed to believe that in the Arrow universe, all of those historical events are now different? Or are the Legends responsible for creating the multiverse?

It's all set-up for DC's greatest idea.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2HUnC-7QBDM/UHnyHFCe1bI/AAAAAAAAEVk/cr1X5Qwjlv4/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/Hollyweird+Living+Jay's+Comicbook+WTF+Moments+-+Superboy+Prime+Retcon+Punch.jpg

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I've never thought Iron Fist worked well on his own.  When he was teamed with Luke Cage, it just kind of clicked in an old 70's / 80's buddy cop show way.  I think it's probably because Cage pulled Danny into all kinds of situations he wouldn't have gotten into if he was just out there living the Iron Fist life.

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Informant wrote:

Thor should be A-level, but he really isn't. I don't expect much from his movie. http://sliders.tv/bboard/viewtopic.php?pid=5312#p5312

I've never cared much for the Thor movies; and I think the main value of Ragnarok is going to be the reveal of the last infinity stone - the soul stone.  Speculation is that Heimdall has it.  It would explain why his eyes glow orange (the color the last stone will be); it would explain why his eyes were different in Thor's vision during Avengers: Age of Ultron (if Thanos had stolen it); and it would explain his comment in the first movie about how he sees people as souls.

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If you look at Marvel, they had a big change with Hulk when Ruffalo took Ed Norton's place; and it didn't affect anything.  Personally, I've never liked Ruffalo in the part.  I would have much rather had Norton, but he tried to take control of the production like he usually does and that's that.

With these DC movies, the thing with Affleck is that I really don't care if he stays or goes.  I don't care if any of the actors stick around; it's still going to be the same quality no matter who goes in there.  For me, that means largely unenjoyable.

My mom recently came across Batman v Superman on HBO.  She enjoys a wide range of movies; loved the first two Nolan Batman movies and likes the Marvel movies.  With Batman v Superman she had two main comments. She thought the story jumped around all over the place and was hard to follow; and she asked me why Batman and Superman were depicted as evil.  She's a casual consumer of this stuff at best; a good representation of the average watcher.  But that was her take away - Batman and Superman were evil.

The actors aren't the problem; but the real problem is what could drive away the actors.  The real problem is the tone.  Nolan's Batman had a darkness to it; but you knew who the hero was.

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Hadn't really put too much thought into Legends, but something clicked with me this morning.  I think I see where they're going with Snart.

So Flashpoint Thawne is after the spear of destiny so that he can use it to alter reality and will himself back into existence.  Meanwhile, Heatwave is hallucinating Snart speaking to him; but it's the classic Snart who is evil.

I think Heatwave is going to end up with his hands on the spear of destiny; and either on purpose or by accident, he's going to will Snart back into existence.  However, it's going to be a slightly different outcome than what Thawne is seeking.  The Snart that Heatwave would bring back is not going to be the original one who sacrificed himself. The Snart that comes back is going to be whatever perception of Snart Heatwave had in his mind.  It could be a full reset button with no hint of goodness left in Snart; he would only be the cold calculator with a fierce sense of loyalty (as he should be).

If the above is the case, it may explain why they've waited so long to bring back Snart.  Under that scenario, they couldn't really do it without rushing the end of this season's Legends arc; but next season we should see a lot more of Snart across the various shows (and hopefully a lot more on Flash).

In any case, I have to disagree about the Christmas episode of Legends; it's really the first episode of Legends that worked for me.  It had great pacing and a lot of story stuffed into one episode. Everyone had something to do and it didn't seem contrived (though I do agree about Vixen - I just give it a pass due to the overall quality of the episode).  They even did a nice job with the historical aspect for once; a very apt and often forgotten truth that the original ideal of an American was something of a scoundrel.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

What's happening in that scene?  What's the Flash doing?

That's from the Crisis on Infinite Earths where the multiverse was destroyed by the Anti-Monitor (pictured above), and all realities ended up collapsed into one earth.  Leading up to that, the imminent death of a parallel world was known when the skies turned red.  That's what the future newspaper headline in the tv series is hinting at when it says Red Skies Vanish.

But in the picture I gave, Anti-Monitor was having problems destroying the main DC earth; so he built a special tachyon cannon just to finish them off.  Powered by a single tachyon, the Anti-Monitor has pulled the trigger and Barry is the only person there to stop it; so he pushes himself beyond his limits to catch the tachyon before the gun can fire.  When the other heroes finally arrive, all they find is Barry's empty costume; he burned up his body stopping the cannon (or to look at it another way - his body consumed itself to find the fuel to keep going).  Of course, this was later retconned with the idea of the speed force; but when this story came out in 1985, there was no speed force.  Barry had just turned to dust.

I don't think Wally is going to face the Anti-Monitor; but what I'm wondering is if they're going to play with the idea of Barry Allen's death in that scene.  If Wally pushes himself beyond all his limits and burns too bright too fast...he may find himself consumed in a short but brilliant flash.

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Informant wrote:

The Flash is still fun. Still not sure what purpose Wally serves, but at least he isn't sucking too much energy out of the show.

The last episode made me wonder if Wally is headed for a version of this:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--HGJAYXtHHE/Ut0Q6pn-TJI/AAAAAAAAT34/yZAgPykq13w/s1600/Image00004.jpg

With Wally speeding up faster than Barry did, it's easy to see Wally burn out faster too; Wally may end up saving Iris just to turn into a pile of dust directly after.  And now with Barry pushing Wally, you could end up with Joe and even Iris blaming Barry for pushing Wally too hard.

It would also create an irony of sorts - after all, we started this series with Thawne's personal agenda in pushing Barry to get faster; and now Barry is stepping onto that path.  You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

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lol!  H.R. just said he has a magician friend.   They are dancing all around this.

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I remember a couple of years ago my nephew and I planned to go to a convention that had Karen Gillan (Amy Pond) appearing.  We've been working on getting a replica of River Song's diary signed by all the stars related to it; and all we have left to obtain now is Karen and Peter Capaldi.

So we get to the convention with our autograph ticket in hand only to find out Karen is not there.  While trying to leave the U.K., her visa to enter the United States was not approved.  She was not allowed to enter the country.  This was when Obama was president.  Where were all the people losing their minds when she couldn't get in?

But what really blows my mind?  Reading that some of these people detained after the Trump order were on their way home from vacationing abroad.  Trump has been saying what he's going to do for over a year.  These people thought that right after he takes office was the best time to leave the country on vacation?  Really?

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Sliders imagery lives on - season three of this Disney series features travel to alternate realities, encounters with doubles and a blue vortex to travel through:

https://youtu.be/_oh2WchJ-pc

http://www.twistmagazine.com/posts/the- … son-123134

The show looks awful, but still amazed how that little blue vortex keeps popping up after all these years.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

http://www.superherohype.com/news/38958 … e#/slide/1

Left without comment.

What worries me is that I've seen how Warner thinks in the past.  In order to bolster this failing pile of garbage, they may totally gut the Flash tv series believing that will somehow stop their movie from looking so bad.

Sasha seemed to slide into the Andrea role from the comics (Andrea wasn't supposed to die), so one would think Sasha has a lot of life left in her.  Of course, nothing is set in stone on the show.  Carol should have died at the prison if they followed the comics, but she's a fixture of the show.

Informant wrote:

Netflix? Really? That's cool. I was just going to do a free trial of the CBS thing, but I really don't like CBS shows, so I would never pay.

The last report I read stated that Discovery will be on Netflix in 188 countries; the exceptions are the US and Canada.  If we want to watch it, the only option is CBS All Access.

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Informant wrote:

...they removed the context of Wally West and Kid Flash. The name doesn't make sense. He's not a kid. And having someone who is Barry's age, coming into his powers not all that long after Barry takes away the mentor/student relationship.

Two Flashes can't occupy the same space at the same time. It's Informant's Law of Teledynamics. Unless they kill off this Wally and introduce their younger, red-headed cousin (adopted, I guess

Well, they do have a back-up option if they want it - Bart Allen.  Barry interacting with his grandson brings an added dynamic, but it could explore Barry's ever approaching fate if it's played as Bart traveling back to learn from the grandfather he never had a chance to know.

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With regard to the Supergirl series, I've seen some complaints on other sites about how her episode was a just red skies story (referring back to the comics - many issues would feature the Crisis on Infinte Earths Crossover banner, but the story inside had nothing to do with Crisis except that the sky turned red).  However, I think this Arrowverse crossover will have more impact on Supergirl than any other series.

In the Invasion era comics, Mon'el had a significant tie to the Dominators; it was his father's sacrifice in protecting people from the Dominator's that inspired Mon'el to become a hero.  Mon'el would later beat back a second Dominator Invasion and seed their metahuman experiments on various worlds so that the Dominators couldn't find them again.  That act would lead to the United Planets and eventually the foundation for the Legion a thousand years from now.

I believe the aliens looking for Mon'el are also Dominators.  And at the end of this crossover, Supergirl is either knowingly or unknowingly bring something back that emits a signal leading the Dominators of her reality to her earth.

Incidentally, the comics version of the Dominator Invasion led to Snapper Carr being abducted and getting powers (the ability to teleport with the snap of his fingers).

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Some more possible foreshadowing tonight.  In the 1980's run of the comics, Thawne kills Iris which eventually leads Barry to snap Thawne's neck and kill him.  Barry stays on the run from the law for awhile, but finally turns himself in and is convicted of Thawne's murder.

The story gets a little convoluted from there (with Barry ultimately proving the jury was brainwashed into convicting him - the true ruling that Thawne's death was accidental), but the end result is that Barry runs away from our time to live in the 30th century.  Shortly after settling there, he ends up sacrificing himself to save all of reality in the Crisis.

Tonight we saw that the 2024 newspaper byline changed; Iris has been replaced by another reporter.  Barry leaves a message decades in the future talking about horrible consequences.  Could they be taking a page from the comics?  Will Thawne kill Iris leading Barry to kill Thawne? Is Barry leaving his message from jail or did he run to the future to hide?  We'll see.  So far I think they've set up some great things only to squander them (such as Cyborg Superman); and that leads me to not get my hopes up.