Grizzlor wrote:0What risks would/should it have taken? This has been leveled on Mangold quite a bit, and most that say that just stop there.
Totally fair criticism. To me, I would've appreciated less hopping around and a bit more character stuff. Indy is a little reluctant to get back into the action, but to sell the theme of the movie (that Indy needed a little more adventure to get him out of the depression he was in), I would've hammered home that point a bit more. To get specific, I'll go into spoilers.
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By risks, I guess, I think the movie needed more stakes. And if this is truly the last movie, I think it needed to feel like it. So I might've entirely dumped the deaged stuff. It was fun to see young Indy, but I don't think that scene added anything to the theme of the movie.
So you start with depressed Indiana. He's teaching his class and no one cares. It's a stark difference to Raiders when everyone is hanging on his every word (mostly because of Harrison Ford but he can pretend history). I'd also do two things - I'd have him mess something up in his lecture. Maybe it's a misspeak, maybe it's carelessness, whatever. Someone (Helena?) corrects him, and he's very embarrassed. Second, I would have Indy pass a mugging or something. His instinct is to run in and help, but maybe he reaches for a whip that isn't there. Or a hat that has long-since been hung up. And either he calls for help (instead of intervening himself) or someone younger jumps in to help the person being mugged. Indy awkwardly limps away.
I want to show two things. That Indy is off his game and out of the heroism game. Even if he wants to, he can't do it anymore.
I also think Helena needs to be related to someone else. Could she be Brody's daughter? I don't know if the timeline works, but that would work for me. Maybe even a half-sister from some other child of Henry Jones Sr.? I'm just thinking of the characters we know that could've realistically had a child Helena's age. I just don't think it should've been a new character.
And here's the important one. When Indy gets dragged into the mess, he should be actively trying to stay out of it. He shouldn't be fighting or running or anything like that. He should be surrendering immediately, even if it means Helena is in danger. This is an Indiana who has given up so he can't immediately be up for a fight or an adventure. Maybe Helena runs off and has to rescue Indy from either a police lockup (if he's been arrested) or the Nazis (if he's been captured). He doesn't want to go on this adventure, and he's taken against his will.
In Tangier, he doesn't jump into the action either. He doesn't want to drive the tuk-tuk. He doesn't want to fight at the auction. He wants to go home. He needs to rest. His body hurts. He cannot do this adventure, and he's going to be helpless to save anyone if people keep making him.
But time after time, Indy has to step up. Maybe he has to grab a gun and fire. His arm is a little shaky, but he hits his target. Maybe he punches a guy. It really hurts, but a little smile escapes his face. He's getting back in the saddle. And the Nazis should escape Tangier because of something Indy does a little too slow. But instead of being down about it, Indy starts to feel better.
And as the movie goes on and on, he starts to be a little more Indiana Jones. His friends need to prod him a little less, and he has to prod himself a little less. The muscle memory starts to come back. He starts to enjoy himself a little more.
He's coming back.
Because while the movie makes a big deal about Indy being old, it isn't consistent about it. He talks about how much everything hurts, but he's alternating between slowly climbing up a cave and jumping from vehicle to vehicle. Indy's limitations need to be consistent, and he needs to use his brain where his muscles used to do the work. He's older, but he has something the rest of them don't have: experience.
The Antonio Banderas character is fine but who is he? Who cares? That character needed to be someone. Maybe that's where Sallah comes in. Maybe that's where Short Round comes in. I don't know but it shouldn't be no one. I know there aren't many people that character could be put pick someone. And whoever dies needs to have impact. Indy needs to have a reason to doubt himself again if we're going to believe he's going to stay in the past. I don't want Sallah to die any more than anyone else, but his death would launch us into an uncertain third act.
The core of the movie is fine, I think. By "chances" I don't think they took advantage of the fact that this is a depressed Indy that doesn't want to do it anymore. And by "it" I mean anything. The movie sells that adventure brought Indy back, but we didn't see Indy gone. People say that he's depressed and he talks about being depressed but they don't sell it. At least they didn't sell it to me.
He's sad at the beginning but he's basically Indiana Jones the entire time. To sell that Indy is "back", Indy needs to be "gone".
The alternative is to maybe make this entire movie juxtaposed with flashbacks. We get two, but maybe we need a lot more. Let's see a scene with deaged Indy and Marion in the middle of the film. Let's see their marriage break down. Let's see Indy try to do an adventure between Crystal Skull and Dial that goes horribly.
That's what I would've liked. Outside of a couple of scenes and a couple of lines, Dial of Destiny could've had Indiana be 50. If this is about a guy coming out of retirement to do one last adventure, make it that.
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All that being said, I did like it. The scene with Marion is beautiful. The scene where Indy talks about Mutt is legitimately Oscar-worthy acting out of Harrison Ford. I think I just wanted a little more out of it.