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Is it just pride?  Would Loki rather say that he lost it emotionally (and it was in his control) than to admit that the mind stone got him?  Would a prideful person rather admit that he was in control than admit something controlled him?

I guess we don't know, right?  Did Thanos find Loki or did Loki seek out Thanos?  Has that gap ever been filled in?

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I thought Jordan was going to be able to bully his way in, but he got shot down.  That's a pretty solid loss for the MAGA movement.  I don't think this is the beginning of the end, but it's a sign that Trump doesn't have full control over House Republicans.  This was Trump's guy, and he was running unopposed.  Whoever gets the job now will not be (as) in debt to  Trump.  I think that's significant.

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So a ton has come out post writers strike about how Marvel does their productions (specifically TV).  It seems that they treated their TV shows like expanded movies.  No show bibles.  No showrunners.  Just (mostly movie) executives that were in charge of making sure the shows were good.  No pilots.  They'd greenlight an entire project, let it shoot, and work on fixing it with reshoots and post.

Now for a 2-hour movie, that works.  Let a creative make a movie and reshoot stuff that doesn't work.  You can cut out scenes that don't work, characters that don't work, plotlines that don't work.

For a 6-hour TV show, it's much harder.  Secret Invasion and Falcon and the Winter Soldier have obvious reshoots to remove/reshuffle plot lines, and it doesn't work.  There's too much to unwind and even with shifting episode lengths, it's way easier for it all to turn into a mess.

Example - the Daredevil show.  They greenlit it and the production shot at least 4-6 episodes.  When executives took a look at it, they were horrified that it wasn't the gritty, action-oriented show that they were expecting.  Matt doesn't even wear the Daredevil suit until episode 4.  It was more of a courtroom procedural than season 4 of Netflix show.  They're apparently throwing it all away and reshooting a ton (all?) of it.

But how does all that get done without the executives knowing?  Did no one read any scripts?  Is there no one monitoring what's being written or shot?  There's allowing creatives to make something they want to make, and there's sheer irresponsibility.

They're fixing this, but I'm worried they're going to overdo it.  They're going to start doing pilots, force writers to write show bibles, and focus on multi-season stories.  Which is fine in some cases.  That's basically TV 101.  But I think some of the allure of the Disney+ is that they can introduce characters like Kamala Khan and catch us up on 2-3 movies worth of character development and then let them show up.  Or to explain how Scarlet Witch is the villain of Dr. Strange 2.  Or to explain why Sam is Captain America without having to spend an entire movie on that.

Loki works as a multi-season show.  Wandavision worked as a one-off.  Werewolf by Night worked as a special movie event.  We don't need four seasons of Secret Invasion or Hawkeye.  We can do both.  I hope they realize that before they go too far the other way.

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And I gotta think this hurts them politically.  Republican voters want to send money to Israel and we can't right now.  And Biden went to Israel so again maybe that helps with fringe voters.

I don't know what a good solution is for Democrats.  Who is the most moderate Republican in the House?

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Yeah, it was a mess.  Nando v Movies (maybe on his Nando Cut channel) has a great analysis of it once you're completely finished.  His biggest complaint is that, while the show is about shapeshifting aliens, the show barely uses that premise.  It's used a few times in the first episode, but outside of one instance where someone isn't who they say they are (and even then, the whole thing is fumbled), there's no intrigue to who anyone is.  Everyone is who they say they are.  It isn't a spy show - everything is basically out in the open the whole time.

As you said, they don't do the character stuff well.  They don't do spy/intrigue stuff well.  And by the time they get to the action, it's CGI nonsense with characters we don't care about.  And the show is dull enough that none of that is spoilers.

It was a big miss.  And the one takeaway from it will probably be brushed under the rug.

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Loki is back and it's still fun.  Ke Huy Quan needs to be in everything.

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I wonder if the Democrats made a miscalculation when they booted McCarthy. (Note: McCarthy is terrible, and I don't support him).  He's a liar and two-faced (one republican said his superpower is that he doesn't believe in anything) but he actually worked with / caved to Democrats to get some deals done to keep the government funded and working.

If we get Jim Jordan, that ain't happening.

Now I know the Democrats can spin this to win the House in 2024 or maybe even to win the White House.  Jordan is essentially Donald Trump in the House, and if Jordan pushes for a government shutdown (which I have to assume he'll do), that will bounce back on Jordan and Trump with independents and soft/non-MAGA republicans.  There's already been a decent amount of pushback from conservative media about what a clown show this whole republican House situation has turned into.

But giving Jordan power seems like such a bad idea, even with only a year or so to wield it.

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Oh, if I wasn't clear before.  Let me be very clear: I do not support RFK Jr on any level.  I do not support Donald Trump or his MAGA movement on any level.  Trumpism is a disease on this country, and it must be eradicated.  I believe this wholeheartedly.

ireactions mentioned that I voted against Trump in 2016 but not for Clinton.  I greatly regret this, even though my vote would not have mattered in the result.  I grossly underestimated the harm that Donald Trump could do, and it's one reason why I've significantly tried to educate myself in these matters.  I didn't used to listen to political podcasts or learn about political figures.

I am a Democrat and support Democrats.  I'm about as close to "Vote Blue No Matter Who" as you can be, and I've voted that way locally for the last few elections.  I rarely voted in midterms prior to 2016.  This year I voted on some random local offcycle election.  I voted all Democrats.

ireactions, as usual, is correct in my motivation and goal.  Like I said, Trumpism is a disease that must be eradicated.  Some diseases can be eliminated by doing the right thing (eating healthy, exercising, cutting bad habits, etc).

Some diseases need to be destroyed with chemotherapy or surgery that can be as painful or more painful than the diseases.  And I'm open to any and all (legal and honest) solutions for Donald Trump to lose.  And I would prefer that all people that have supported Trump (especially my political nemesis Ted Cruz) also crash and burn.  But right now, the focus has to be on eliminating Trump in 2024.

And so that's my thinking in bringing up stuff like Biden's border policy and RFK Jr.  I'm *fascinated* by any move that gets Biden closer to victory in 2024.  I would *love* if America would wake up and realize that half its citizens are trying to vote for a 4-time indicted conman.  I am losing my faith that such a thing is going to happen in time.  I don't know if I have enough faith that the courts will even get these trials in on time, and even if they do, I don't have enough faith for my fellow countrymen for that to matter.  Too many people have already indicated that they're voting for Trump no matter what.

So can a slight alteration in border policy scrape off a few votes from Trump?  If so, I'm in!  If RFK Jr runs and can scrape a few MAGA people off the Trump bandwagon, I'm in!  Yes, these are both bad things.  I don't want Biden to adopt a more-conservative view on the border, but we have to win.  I hate that RFK Jr is getting any attention, but we have to win.

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RFK Jr has a pretty high profile a politician.  He shows up on Joe Rogan's podcast (I don't listen or pay attention to that, but I know he does) and DeSantis has mentioned that he'd hire him if he were president.  I think that's a higher profile than Kanye, but I can't speak either way about his overall popularity.

Not to bring up polling again, but he polls fairly high especially among Republicans.  They're also less likely to be picking RFK on a poll because he's not Biden or because of his name (the primary reasons he was getting high poll numbers in the Democratic primary).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … publicans/

And even if you're right, I guess it just depends on where the 100,000 votes are.

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

I don't celebrate any right wing nutcase.

RFK Jr. doesn't deserve the name Kennedy.

Well, I'm not celebrating him.  I don't want him to have any power or for anyone to like anything he says.  I'm talking about a means to an end, and I think Kennedy might be the means to that end.  Same as if Don Jr or Rudy Guiliani or whoever were to run.  If it splits MAGA, then MAGA cannot win.

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I'm intrigued by RFK Jr. going into the race as an independent.  He's been strongly supported by MAGA as some kind of spoiler to Biden, but that's because he's philosophically a conservative.  He's straight crazy, and he's supported by Steve Bannon, Tucker Carlson, Ron DeSantis, and Joe Rogan, among others.  He made a lot of noise early because he was polling in the teens/20s in certain polls.  Experts said it was essentially name recognition driving the polling because, again, he doesn't have any of the same ideals that Democrats would ever vote for.

But as an independent, I think he's much more dangerous to Trump than Biden.  I think the test will be whether the Democrats can convince their voters that RFK is *not* a true Kennedy and whether or not conservatives can convince his true believers to vote for Trump.

What do we think?

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-admi … uth-texas/

Obviously Biden saw the same poll and had the same concerns.  I don't think there's any harm in doing some highly-visible work at the border.  If it were up to me, I'd send Kamala down to the border with very public events, especially in border towns where Republicans are making serious inroads.  One of Harris' strengths is her toughness on crime, and I think if Biden/Harris even give the appearance of being tougher on the border than they have been (even if it's all for show), then I think it will be much harder for non-MAGA Republicans to vote for Trump. 

I know some of these people, and I promise you they'll think "Well the economy is doing better, Biden seems to be doing things on the border, Harris is doing good work....I can live with four more years of this."

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

So you're saying ageism is fine, and racism is okay, so we should acknowledge their behavior as right by making these concessions?

....no?

And I'm not even sure how you're getting that from anything I said.  I'm obviously on Biden's side.  But I'm also able to see that this election is going to be very close.  It doesn't matter whether Trump is a racist or a sexist or a rapist or a fraud or convicted in four different trials.

So Biden would be wise to do whatever it takes to get people on his side.  He's very unpopular, even with people who like him, on immigration and the border.  If he can get one vote from a Trump supporter by making concessions on the border, that's one vote closer to Biden being president and Trump not being president.

Just doing what he's been doing isn't enough.  He has to do more.  Otherwise, there's a real risk that Trump becomes president again.  That's not my opinion.  It's just the facts.

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Why do we have to make concessions on a problem that doesn't exist and is fueled entirely by rethuglican lies, hatred, and bigotry against races other than white people?

I mean do you want to end Trumpism and win in 2024?  To end that, you need a definitive win.  You can't win by minimal numbers in several states.  There needs to be an overwhelming statement from the country that we're not going to vote for a criminal to be president.  There needs to be an overwhelming statement that Americans don't want this and that republicans don't want this.  If you get that, the tide turns.  GOP people like Cruz and McCarthy are spineless and will only support Trump if it suits them.  If Trump gets steamrolled then they'll abandon him.

If it's close (or if Trump wins), then it won't stop.  You'll have President Don Jr. 

So am I willing to make concessions to stop that?  Yes.  Especially when Biden is struggling with support on the border isssue *with Democrats*.

With Biden's age, he's going to have plenty of skepticism going into next year.  Why not eliminate one of his biggest weaknesses?  Especially when it would be so easy with almost no negatives.

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Can you please back this up with a reliable source and the sources you cite? Otherwise, this is nothing but conjecture.

MSNBC, ABC7, or AP, NPR, or Rolling Stone are acceptable.

Well, Biden has been underwater for a long time for his approval rating:

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You can cherry pick whatever poll you want for over a year and it'll be underwater.

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This is the poll that had everyone in a tizzy.  Everyone thinks it's an outlier poll, but it's from a reputable source and they chose to release it.  But even if you throw the poll out, you have to look at some of the results and pull some results out of it.  The poll had 42% of people choosing Biden over Trump, but only 37% of the people approve of his performance.  That means that even Biden voters are disapproving of his performance.  It gets worse when you see that only 26% of people don't think he's too old (so 16% of people think he's too old but still would vote for him) and 23% of people approve of his handling of the border (19% of people that chose him over Trump still disapprove of his handling of the border).

So even if the poll is bad, there's info you can pull out from the people that chose Biden.  And they're saying that they'll vote for Biden but don't necessarily approve of him or his performance.

Now Biden has a ton going for him.

1. He already beat Trump
2. Trump's legal troubles might cement him with his base, but they can only lose him voters in the middle.  I can't imagine even an acquittal doing anything positive for him with independents
3. Biden's actually accomplished quite a bit in his term.  Democrats just need to be made aware of the progress because non-political-junkies aren't going to have heard of any of it.  That's going to obviously depend on how much info Democrats can get out during the election cycle.

But one place Biden can grow quickly is the border, and I'm sure there are tons of things that he can do to gain support from moderate republicans (believe it or not, they exist) and independents.  Not only would it bolster support with those groups, but it would take away Republican talking points.  Because MAGA is just a third of the Republican party.  There are plenty of Republicans that aren't die-hard Trump voters, and you don't need them to vote for Biden.  You just need them to vote 3rd party or not vote at all.

And you do that by convincing them that a second Biden term wouldn't be so bad.  The economy is already improving and should be much better by next year unless something bad happens.  Educating voters on Biden's accomplishments will help there too.  But they also need to attack on Biden's weaknesses.  His age they can't do anything about, but the border is something they can really work on.  Since Harris is already in charge of the border, they could probably kill two birds with one stone.  Harris could spend the next year at the border, "acting tough" or whatever and it would make a difference.  Both in improving Biden's favorability regarding the border and in improving Harris' own ratings

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po … la-harris/

Because if people liked Harris more, they'd worry about Biden's age less.

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

There are no GOP values that align with progressives when their goal is to lie, lie, and lie to prop up their savior Trump.

As soon as they committed a violent insurrection to stop the certifications of votes for Biden on January 6th carrying a guillotine to the capitol, they ceased becoming a viable political party. They are equivalent to the Taliban.

They deserve arrest, conviction, and prosecution to the fullest extent of the law.

Don't believe everything you hear regarding polls. CNN is now right wing and they are pushing immigration this and immigration that in support of their GOP mega donors.

Okay, but the population you're referring to (MAGA) doesn't explain any of this.  Unless MAGA is the majority of the country now, Biden is still underwater in his favorability overall and especially on immigration.  MAGA people are never going to turn on Trump no matter what.  MAGA isn't enough for Trump to win the election.

But there are people that voted for Joe Biden in 2020 that currently are disapproving of him.  There are clearly people that voted for Joe Biden that are currently saying that they'll vote for Trump over him.

Biden needs to be doing something differently because what he's doing now has him underwater.  That's not a MAGA problem.  That's not a GOP problem.  That's not a news problem.  That's a Biden problem, and it's one that he needs to fix or non-MAGA is going to vote for Trump over him.

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But does that matter?  I'm not sure it does.

Recent polling (and I guess all polling) has shown that Biden's handling of the border is very unpopular.  He's extremely unpopular (38% favorable) on his handling of the border.  That's not just Republicans and it's not just the Fox News crowd.  That's a lot of independents and probably some Democrats.

So whether or not the GOP and conservative media is lying, the majority of voters think Biden isn't doing enough.  So my question is...what are some things that Biden can do that would improve the border situation in the 20-30% of non-MAGA people's eyes?  The economy is improving and there's not a ton more Biden can do there.  But the border is both very visible and it's easier to see progress.

If Biden announced that he was going to restart progress on the border wall, that wouldn't move the needle for any hardcore Democrats (who are voting for Biden no matter what) or Republicans (who would vote for Trump no matter what).  But would that convert some potential Trump voters to Biden voters (or non-voters)?  If only 38% of people approve of Biden on the border, would he lose any votes if he got more "conservative" on the border?

My point is this: Biden needs to win the next election.  And I think some out of the box things are going to need to be done to get the Independent voters and soft Republican voters that Biden is going to need.  They obviously wouldn't do everything the Republicans want, but I think they gotta do *something* besides putting Kamala Harris in charge.

Again, if it was me, I would be reaching out to conservative groups and getting their list of demands, and I'd be cherry picking the ones that are a) possible and b) won't conflict with progressive values.  And then I'd be going on Fox News every chance I got, and I'd be telling conservative voters what we were doing at the border or on the economy or whatever issues Biden polls poorly on.

Maybe Trump will lose votes as these court cases drag on, but he's not losing any support in the GOP primary or in national polling.  I don't think we can spend the next year hoping that will change.

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Sounds like the writers got what they wanted?  Am I reading that right?

If so, that's awesome.

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Yeah, I think Democrats need to do what they can to investigate any and all Democrats accused of misdoing.  Within reason, of course.  If they only investigate Republicans, they're feeding right into the whole "Republicans are being targeted" nonsense. 

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So...the border.  This is something that the Democrats just get hammered on all the time.  Is there not more that Democrats are willing to do?  Are they doing more but not enough?  Does this come down to the Republicans wanting more extreme / less humane things and Democrats aren't willing to go there?

I just wonder if the Democrats would be smart to make some concessions on the border.  No separating families or putting kids in cages, of course.  But make it a point to fund the border patrol more?  Maybe even do some ceremonial work on the border wall / fence (even if it's been shown to be ineffective).  I'm sure there are some prudent and very visible things that the Democrats can do to take a chunk out of the anger that many people feel about the border.

I'll admit, even in Texas, I don't really know what is being done.  Maybe it's as much as possible.  But I assume this isn't just a Fox News thing.

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In the Clone Wars, the only Force "ghost" that appears is Qui-Gon, and I don't think he was capable of anything but a voice.  He seems to have figured out how to do it by the time of the Obi-Wan show.

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I know it may seem like I'm stressing about continuity.  It really doesn't bother me as much as it may seem.  I can watch Strange New Worlds and not get bogged down by TOS continuity, particularly since I don't remember much of TOS continuity.  What I'm talking about here is more issues with overall continuity.  If Vulcan is okay in 3190, it is in no danger in 2410 or 2500 or any year in between.  If there's some sort of Federation Civil War in 2600, we know it eventually works out because the Federation survived (in some sense) in the 32nd century.

From a certain point of view, Discovery is now the official Trek "present" and everything else is prequel territory.  Just like TOS became prequel when TNG started.

Now ireactions is right that the future is fluid.  So maybe something will happen that will wipe out Discovery's version of the future.  We've already seen the TOS version of the future (and the past) altered.  Again, not a huge deal.  Just an annoyance.

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It is bizarre to me that Aquaman 2 is coming out.  It comes out in like four months, and we still don't have a trailer (we're getting one in a couple of days).  It feels like such an anachronism.

I mean I get it.  The first Aquaman made a billion dollars, but it also came out FIVE YEARS AGO.  We've had nine movies in the DCEU come out since then.  We've had *two* Shazam movies come out since then (3 if you count Black Adam).  We got a Harley Quinn solo film (sorta) since then.  We got a Suicide Squad reboot since then.

How did Aquaman 2 not come out in 2020 or 2021?  I'm not saying Aquaman could've single-handedly saved the DCEU, but it's crazy that so much happened since it came out, and it's coming out as the last breath of this universe.

I know some people love the DCEU but what a fitting disaster.  Also, apparently, the movie is a disaster with tons of rewrites, both because the movie isn't great and also to try and fit it into whatever it is they're doing.  The filmed a scene with Michael Keaton for it and one with Ben Affleck but both are apparently getting cut because the continuity is such a mess.

I can't imagine I'll see this movie in theaters.  Is anyone else?

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Ahsoka Episode 5 spoilers

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So I don't know enough about Star Wars lore, but Anakin seems to be Force Ghost Anakin in physical form.  So he's definitely post-Vader but different than Force ghosts we've seen before (in that he physically interacts with Ahsoka).  The World Between Worlds hasn't been fleshed out that much so it could be anything.  Anakin is both calm and angry, and he sorta takes Ahsoka to the past (or a vision of the past - it's vague).

What's interesting based on our last conversation is that we actually see young Ahsoka for a decent chunk of the episode.  So Clone Wars Ahsoka.  And here's where I missed Ashley Eckstein the most, but unless they had a child actor mime the dialogue and used Eckstein's voice, I don't know what they could've done.  The voice wasn't exactly right but I thought she did a good job.  This was essentially live action Clone Wars which was cool.

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I think that makes sense.  I guess it doesn't make a ton of sense to overwhelm the service with too many Star Trek things at a time because subscribers aren't giving you any extra money for extra content.  I guess the optimal model is to have one Star Trek show running at all times so that no Star Trek fan ever unsubscribes.

With Picard done and Discovery ending, hopefully they can get Legacy going before Matalas moves on.

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Was Picard less successful than the internet made it seem like?  I thought it was quite the phenomenon, and I would've suspected that they'd want a follow-up from Matalas.  But there's been no word, despite massive fan interest.

Of course, I have no idea how the "Trek on Streaming Only" model works.  Maybe it's more expensive than the money it makes.  Maybe they do just want to try movies again.

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Hmmm.  Also Star Trek has *already* rebooted less than 15 years ago.  The reboot just didn't outlast the regular continuity.

Now, I do think Star Trek has a problem, and I do wonder if a reboot should be on the table.  And the problem, of course, stems from Discovery.

Right now, Trek is currently operating in several different points in time.  Strange New Worlds is set in 2259.  Lower Decks is in 2381.  Prodigy is in 2383.  Picard is in 2401.  Discovery was set in 2256-2259, but is now in 3190. 

The weird, slightly different timeline in Lower Decks / Prodigy / Picard is awkward but fine.  The two animated shows allow for younger versions of TNG-era characters, and they play around with continuity a bit anyway.  The way I see it, we have a prequel in SNW, we have some silly stuff with Lower Decks and Prodigy, and Picard is set in the present.  Any future show, I assume, will be set in the 2400s.

But Discovery kinda messes with that thought, at least in my head.  Please note that I already have a strange opinion on continuity so this probably isn't an issue for most people.

Discovery is set in the 3190s.  You could argue that Picard is in the present and that Discovery is in the future.  But the way I see it, they're *all* prequels to Discovery seasons 3-5.  Why are they prequels?  Because unless Trek is going to wipe out Discovery with time travel, it's as far forward as we can go.  And we know that the Federation was in tatters but it's coming back together.  And as far as we know, none of the key planets have been destroyed since Romulus.  So  if there's a storyline in Star Trek: Legacy where Earth is in danger, we know it's fine in the future.

Now we can all say that Earth was probably fine, even if we didn't have Discovery.  Most shows don't destroy Earth.  But we don't *know* that.  With Trek, Earth survives another 800 years after the "present".  The Federation and Starfleet does too.  We know what happens with unification.  We know about the Burn.

Just like in a prequel, there could be a threat that Kirk could die in Strange New Worlds but we know he lives.  Some of the tension, however much might exist, is gone.

So I wonder if "the present" needs to be 3200 now.  Maybe they allow for "prequels" in the 2400s while the TNG-era cast is still alive.  But in the mean time, we march forward in the only era where there's still "a final frontier?"

Or you reboot and the whole thing is a clean slate.

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SPOILERS FOR AHSOKA

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Is it confirmed that the Anakin we see at the end of episode 4 is post-Vader?  Where they are is in the World Between Worlds so past, present, and future are happening at the same time.  The Vader/Ahsoka fight that you referenced is actually a big part of that because Ezra is able to look at the fight as its happening (even though it happened much earlier) and rescue Ahsoka from the fight.  She gets pulled into the future.  That's how the fight ends.

So this Anakin could hypothetically be pre-Order 66, post-Vader, or maybe even some sort of parallel version of Anakin that never went to the Dark Side.

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I don't want to click on that link so can someone tell me what the (false) rumor was?

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I think the Clone Wars movie is terrible and had the same thought.  I think the first part with the battle scenes is fine?  The kidnapping plot was boring and I was very uninterested.  I think if you look at some of those condensed lists, the movie is either left off entirely, you're told to only watch a certain amount of it, or they include it simply because of character setup.  I don't think anyone in the Clone Wars fandom thinks its good.

And there is a lot of filler episodes, but I never found myself bored or annoyed by the show the way I was bored by the movie.

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I think it's interesting.  I really like James Gunn's DCU approach.  If a character is going to be in a DCU property (be it animation, live action, or video game), he or she will be voiced by the same actor.  It adds a level of consistency that I appreciate.

That being said, when I watch something that's supposed to be the same thing, I usually defer to the original performer.  So Matt Lanter is an animated Hayden Christensen.  Rosario Dawson is a live-action Ashley Eckstein.  I guess on some level, it's weird that a relationship that started animated with two different actors is now being presented in live action with two different actors, but I guess it'd be the same thing with Ezra and Hera.

I've softened on my whole canon ideology, and since these are both explicitly canon, I think I'm just going to merge it all together in my head.

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I feel the same way about our government.  I feel like the Democrats are clearly the good guys and say the right thing and keep things from veering off into a bad direction.  But that doesn't mean that they're all saints to be admired.  When Republicans say stuff like "well what about (whoever)?" my answer is always "investigate it and if they broke the law, throw them in jail."  I don't care if it's the Clintons or the Bidens or the Pelosis.  If there's smoke, investigate.  If there's fire, arrest them.

Tribalism is bad on both sides, and I think the left (because I don't think the right is currently capable of introspection) needs to decide if they want to be the same tribalistic people as the right.  If no one is above the law, then no one is above the law.

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I think watching it would definitely upgrade your experience.  I think the show does a good job of explaining who the characters are at a high level, but you're obviously not going to get a lot of the context if you've never watched Clone Wars or Rebels.  So Ahsoka talks about how she's not a Jedi, but there isn't really any explanation for why she'd say that.  It talks about how she was Anakin's apprentice, but there's no sense for how long / how that relationship developed / where it landed.  So it might be a little like watching A New Hope without watching the prequels (you know Obi Wan was a great Jedi knight, but you don't really know what that means) or even watching The Last Jedi without seeing the original trilogy (you know Luke was great but not what he did to be great).

There are also a couple main Rebels characters (so far) that have appeared.  They're more or less archetypal characters who don't need a ton of explanation.  Hera's a former rebel and a pilot.  Sabine is a Mandalorian with a connection to Ahsoka.  And there's also how Rebels ended - the first two episodes are a retelling of the epilogue of Rebels from Ahsoka's perspective.  So without Rebels knowledge, you're not going to understand who Ezra is or why he was important, you're not going to know who Thrawn is or why he's dangerous, and you aren't going to know how they ended up where they are.

All that to say, I think the show is constructed to be watched by someone who has never seen any of Rebels before with story and character beats that are probably best for people who have been along the entire journey.  And I'm interesting to see how they try to explain (SPOILER) to a general audience without being handwavey or way too involved.

That being said, if you want to get some of that context without watching hundreds of episodes of two cartoons, I've seen lists that will either:

- Cut down Clone Wars and Rebels to only the key arc episodes.  This way you can experience the full feel of both shows without some of the filler or kiddie or irrelevant episodes.

- Cut down Clone Wars and Rebels to just the episodes that are relevant to Ahsoka/Sabine/Hera/Ezra/Thrawn.  Ahsoka isn't in every episode (or even every arc) of Clone Wars, and she's in much less of Rebels.  People have determined which handful of episodes from each show are give you the gist of these characters' journeys without any of the stuff that won't be relevant to Ahsoka.

So depending on your time commitment, you could do either of those.  But honestly, you could also probably watch Ahsoka first and get the context later.

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I'm not usually one to get overly surprised by anything on TV but man the ending to Ahsoka episode 4 blew my mind just  a bit.

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TemporalFlux wrote:

The studios won’t be able to re-start the engine quickly.  Once they run out of things already filmed, they’ll need to film more and do post production on it.

Even if the strike ended tomorrow, we could right now see months with little to no new releases in theaters or even on scripted tv.  That extends further the longer this goes.

Selfishly, this will allow me to catch up on a long backlog of things I have to catch up on.

To be clear, I'm on the side of the writers and actors.

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ireactions wrote:

............... is there some sort of FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS media tie-in that fills in the continuity gap? A novel, comic book, audioplay, webisode, app, puppet show, picturebook or cereal box? Is the writers' strike the reason the character ages got muddy?

As far as I'm aware, there's nothing that fills in the gap.  I think they liked the stories they came with and built on them.  Time had moved on, they needed to start a new year, and they do their best to catch up the audience.

(Spoilers for seasons 2-3 of Friday Night Lights if you're still reading this and care)

It is jarring though.  The previous season, like many strike-shortened seasons, just sorta ends at the end of a random episode.  But they're clearly building to some interesting things.  The team is trying to sneak into the playoffs after a rough start.  Smash has swallowed his pride and has committed to a historically black college that really wanted him.  Lyla is pulling away from her old friends and her old ways.  Buddy has essentially adopted this street-wise kid who is trying to improve his own life and get away from his dangerous friends.

But the season ends abruptly, and when you start up the season 3 premiere, things are just different.  Smash is hurt, his scholarship is gone, and he's trying to rehab.  Lyla and Tim are just together with no explanation.  They explain how the last season ended (Smash got hurt and the team couldn't rebound).  Santiago is just gone with no explanation of where he went or what happened to him (it's one of the threads they just abandoned).

It isn't bad.  It just feels bizarre.  But season 3 is better than season 2 so I was happy to move on.

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I don't think the strike had anything to do with the ages.  I think they wrote season one a certain way and probably considered Tim/Lyla/Tyra to all be seniors.  Maybe they originally meant for it to be an anthology series or focus on different groups of players?  But since Jason was the only one who was specifically mentioned to be graduating at any point, they ran with that idea.  And not only did it allow them to shave a year off them all, they were able to shave two full years off everyone.

There are no continuity breaks as far as I'm aware, and it works.  It just feels weird when you think too hard about it.  Jason, the big man on campus, is just friends with a bunch of sophomores, and we never meet anyone else he graduated with.

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ireactions wrote:

Do the character ages actually matter on FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS? I don't know. I've never seen it.

At the end of the day, I say no.  The show is good and there's no Star-Trek-like open continuity errors in dialogue.  The show never tells the characters' ages, and any continuity errors are simply based on assumptions or logic.  Jason Street and Tim Riggins are best friends.  They happen to be different ages and wouldn't have had any classes together or worked on projects together or been on the same football team.  They are two years apart (an enormous gap from my experience) but met at some point and became very close friends.  Same with Landry and Matt.

The differences in the girls' ages is less of a thing because high school girls' tend to work their way into the lives of older boys.

The show never said anything, and that's okay.

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The other interesting thing about Friday Night Lights, which ties into your examples, is the Writer's Strike.  Season two of FNL is pretty reviled by the fanbase, mostly because of a hysterically stupid storyline where one of the characters kills someone (in self defense) and tries to cover it up.  The show occasionally tries to ingratiate itself into the world of crime, and it never really works out. 

Season two also follows up on a lot of season two storylines.  Superfan Buddy Garrity tries to bring street-smart Santiago onto the team to play defense, even allowing him to live in his home.  Smash Williams tries to toe the line between being socially conscious of being a black man with some name power in a somewhat-racist town in Texas.  He starts to lose some of his scholarship opportunities because of it.  Lyla becomes religious and rejects the advances of Tim by dating another boy from church.  Meanwhile the team is trying to repeat the successes from the previous season.

But after episode 15 of the season...the strike ends the season.

Now on most shows, they could pick up where the last season left off.  But Friday Night Lights moves one year at a time with each season being the full football season.  I guess we'll never know.

EXCEPT....

Friday Night Lights just moves on.  Not just as if nothing happened but moves on as if the remaining 7 episodes happened and aired.  There are references to things that happened (Smash got his scholarship situation figured out but then got hurt, Lyla and Tim ended up together, etc) and there are some "flashback" scenes that show some of the things that happened but it's no more than would've happened in a typical "reset the stage" scene.

It's both clever and bizarre.  They don't do enough to cause any problems, but it does give you a bit of whiplash as you try to distinguish between the stuff that actually happened and the stuff that you don't remember because it didn't air.  The show always does this in some sense because each season ends in November/December and starts back up in July/August.  So there's always a time jump and stuff always happens in the time jump.  But it's just a bit bizarre for the show to be like "we had a plan and we're sticking with it, whether those episodes aired or not"

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ireactions had a pretty great summary of all the weird continuity errors in Star Trek in the original series.  The show essentially couldn't agree on what the Enterprise was doing or who Kirk worked for or what year it was.  But it was the 60s, and that kind of stuff doesn't happen anymore, right?  Not on good shows?

So I started watching Friday Night Lights recently.  I'm a(n American) football fan and I'd never seen it.  Not only that, but it's highly spoken of by one of my favorite TV reviewers (Alan Sepinwall).  Sepinwall wrote a book called The Revolution Was Televised about how 12 shows changed television, and I've loved just about every show he covered.  Friday Night Lights, being on Netflix, was a natural next one.

For those that don't know, Friday Night Lights is primarily about a high school football coach in small town Texas (where football is king).  Coach Taylor's wife is a counselor at the school, and their daughter goes to the school and is friends with some of the players.  The show also deals with some of the players and their personal lives.  I'll try not to spoil anything here, but if it would upset you to know any minor spoilers from Friday Night Lights (over a decade old), I'd stop reading now.

So we're introduced in the first episode to the main cast of high schoolers.  Jason Street is the star quarterback who is nationally known and highly recruited.  Lyla is his devoted girlfriend.  Tim Riggins is his best friend.  Tyra is his on again/off again fling.  We are also introduced to Matt Saracen, the backup quarterback in Jason's shadow.  Matt's best friend is Landry, a musician who doesn't play football.  Matt has a crush on Julie, the coach's daughter.  The other main castmember is Brian "Smash" Williams, but he's not really connected to any of the main cast outside of also playing football.

When you look at the cast, there's a clear divider.  Jason, Tim, and Lyla all hang out together (Tyra is around as well but not as close).  Matt and Landry hang out and eventually Julie gets into the group.  And the way that both groups hang out, it's generally assumed that each group of kids is the same age.

So season one deals with the competition between Street and Saracen to be the starting quarterback (I won't say any more than that).  At the end of the season, Jason has graduated, but in season 2, Lyla and Tyra and Tim are still in school.  It's later confirmed that the three of them were sophomores in season one, and Jason was the lone senior of the group.

It's obvious why it was done.  Jason was clearly a senior in the show and his story moves on to other things.  And as the show finds out time and time again, once people graduate or leave the high school, the writers no longer know what to do with them.  The show is about a high school and doesn't handle juggling very well.

But it feels disingenuous.  It also doesn't feel right that Matt, who spends most of season one feeling like an outsider, is the same age as Tim and Lyla.  There was a clear divider in season one.

Now I'm not saying this isn't possible, especially in a smaller school in a smaller town.  Seniors can be best friends with people younger than them, and Tim Riggins is a larger than life guy.  But it's generally harder to be friends with people that aren't in the same grade as you.  Sure, football connected Tim and Jason, but they would've only been at the same school every couple of years.  They probably wouldn't have played on the same team that often.  Their friendship doesn't work as well.  Especially because Tim isn't in the same stratosphere as Jason in terms of football talent.  It just feels strange.

The show does it again in season three when it's time for all those guys to graduate.  It was established that Matt, Tyra, Lyla, and Tim were all going to graduate, but having already had to deal with Jason and Smash graduating (and not knowing what to do with them post-graduation), they make another move.  Now Julie and Landry are a year younger.  So they were freshmen in season one.

Again, it's possible that Matt and Landry were friends outside of just being in the same grade, but it just isn't ever mentioned.  Season one doesn't deal with Landry or Julie dealing with their first year of high school.  The older group all being seniors and the younger group all being sophomores makes sense.  But unlike some of the graduated football players, they couldn't write Julie off the show - she's the main character's daughter.  And I think they realized what they had with Jesse Plemons and wanted him to stick around in season 4.

It just felt weird to me.

The show is great though.  I've really enjoyed it (even the much-maligned season two which was mangled by the writers' strike).  The ages of the kids just feels really odd.

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Interesting.  It's been a while since I've watched much TNG, but I've always thought that Riker's arc was that he was a highly ambitious and high-rising officer who really wanted to be the captain of a ship but who eventually enjoyed being on the Enterprise enough that he maybe got too comfortable and was essentially passed over and forgotten by Starfleet Command.  But it sounds like I'm pretty wrong about that.

As you know, I like to try and re-write certain pre-prestige-TV shows in my head.  I think a modern TNG would've had Riker show up as arrogant and defiant, thinking he's better than Picard and that he should be commanding the Enterprise.  Maybe a season one of constantly trying to communicate with his admiral buddies about open commands.  Maybe even to the point where Picard has to tell him to focus on his current job and not be focused on the others.  Maybe by the time we get to Best of Both Worlds, Riker and Picard are openly hostile towards each other.  And when he finally gets to command the Enterprise and Picard/Locutus wrecks him, it humbles Riker.  He asks a de-Borged Picard to mentor him and things get better.  Then maybe Riker finally gets offered a command and turns it down (like he did on the real show).  And by season 5 or 6, I think Riker should be thrust into command of his own ship and we'd see him grow that way.  Maybe that means Riker leaves the show, gets spun off into his own show, or the show focuses on two ships.

But thank you for your excellent analysis!

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I think the anthology show would've been great and a nice reintroduction to Trek.  For me, setting Discovery during the TOS era just makes things so difficult.  I think if Discovery had been set in the 25th century with the spore drive as a brand-new technology, with Burnham as the sister of another (new) famous Vulcan, and the zealot aliens being something else instead of the Klingons, I think the show could have been a tier greater than it was.  And yet, the show kept writing itself into corners that it didn't know how to get out of until it had to jump centuries into the future and force everyone left behind to swear the first two seasons to secrecy.

It's just a mess and it's a mess that wasn't necessary.  Nothing about Discovery season 1 requires it to be set in the TOS era, and if they weren't going to do an anthology series, setting it in a new era is the logical decision.

It doesn't matter, though.  Discovery was set during the TOS era, and it was all sworn to secrecy.  The muddled canon becomes more muddled, but it's fine.  I still watch Discovery (and look forward to its final season) and I still love Strange New Worlds.  Its fun to complain, but that's the heart of it.

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Don't get me wrong - I don't remember enough about TOS to really care whether or not they break continuity.  I get that continuity, especially in that era, is fragile.  And I really don't care enough about any of it to really get bothered.

What makes me a little crazy is that *they seem to care*.  By choosing to do a prequel, the writers/producers/creators care about the continuity.  Otherwise, why do a prequel at all?  For a mainstream movie like Star Trek 09, maybe you do a full reboot with a new cast because you want to reach the right audience.  And you pick the characters that have the most cultural footprint - some random person in Wisconsin or South Carolina is going to know Captain Kirk before they know Captain Janeway or Captain Sisko.  So you pick the most famous characters and hope to get the biggest audience.

But as we've discussed before, there's no reason to do Discovery in the pre-TOS era except for the fact that they wanted to borrow some of the credibility that comes with Spock and that specific era.  But they didn't even really want to do that (maybe Brian Fuller did) because they had new uniforms, new sets, new Klingons.  They were distancing themselves from that era, and they eventually just abandoned that idea anyway.

Strange New Worlds made a similar decision.  I don't know if the Enterprise crew was put on Discovery as a backdoor pilot to a new show, but you gotta think that was part of the decision.  But instead of taking a great cast and making a new show in a new era, they decided to do another prequel.  And this one lent itself to being a prequel with the same uniforms and some of the same storylines.  So they have to care about the continuity because why else wouldn't they just do something new.  They like this era, they like the uniforms and they like the characters.

And when you do a prequel, you're choosing to live dangerously.  When Picard decided to do a follow-up, they can do whatever they want.  They could make Picard a father or bring back the Enterprise D or have Q fight the Borg Queen.  It's all new so it doesn't matter.  If they'd decided to say that Picard was a father for the entirety of TNG and just never mentioned it...that's an issue.

Because, to me, the point of the a prequel is to flesh out the stories that have already been told.  You learn about Anakin and Obi-Wan's friendship and it colors the way they talk about each other in A New Hope.  It isn't perfect and maybe the story sucks but that's the whole point of the prequels - to flesh out the story.

If you're just telling new stories in an existing timeline, it's like going back in time.  If you're not super careful, you're going to change something.  It's just too dangerous.

If I ran Trek, I'd make the executive decision that no prequels.  If you go back in time, it looks like the 60s in the TOS era and the 80s/90s in the TNG era.  That's just how it looked.  If you want things to look better, tell a story set in the future.  The model was perfect when TNG jumped forward a century.  Things look better because technology got better.  End of story.

Strange New Worlds is way better than Discovery, and I'm willing to forgive any continuity errors.  I just don't like the idea of retreading if there's no narrative reason to do that.  Strange New Worlds in the 26th century is still a great show.

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Grizzlor wrote:

I've been battling with people on the trekbbs boards on this, you cannot really expect this writing staff to be connecting everything they do with the minutia of TOS canon.

I mean...you have to at least try, right?  That's the problem with doing prequels.  It's exciting to have a scary new villain, but it has to fit into what we already know. 

And to be fair, I have no idea if this is a violation.  I haven't seen Arena in a very long time.  I just know that the Gorn weren't mentioned at all in any of the TNG-era shows so the continuity probably isn't super important.  Maybe there's a war and they agree to just have no contact. 

Again, I love SNW.  It's quickly shooting up the list of my favorite Trek shows, and all things considered, it might be my favorite.  But it being Pike and Spoke and Uhura doesn't really add to it for me.  Pike is a great character, but if his name was Lester Fairburn and he was a captain of the USS Knoxville in 2512, it wouldn't really change anything for me.  As I've said, I just want to move the story forward.  And I feel that way about basically any prequel.  You're just asking for trouble when you don't really need it.

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I liked the finale.  Very tense.

I will need our Trek historian ireactions to help me understand if we're screwing up continuity too much with this much interaction with the Gorn.  My limited understanding was that Starfleet hadn't really seen the Gorn until Kirk and that the Federation hadn't really interacted with them a ton.

I also struggle to see how this species became technologically advanced, but maybe I'm just not being creative enough.

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I thought the musical was well done and many of the songs were pretty catchy.  I always want to complain when I think the premise is pretty silly, but I feel like Trek has been pretty silly this entire time.

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

So, figuratively, Trump would need to win over:

1. That 23%.
2. All republicans (the other 78%). (unlikely)
3. 100% of all independents (extremely unlikely).

The chance is very remote that he will win 2024. Ron Deathsantis' campaign is dead in the water, with Trump being the only one in the rethuglican party who can kind of do anything.

I highly doubt and would be very surprised if Trump accomplishes all of the above given his legal problems.

Also, I saw a news headline that 4 red states that usually lead in terms of the election have all run out of republican election funding.

Trump's money problems are going to be a problem.  I think the GOP would love for someone to step up, but DeSantis was probably that guy and he has so far really screwed up.  I'm interested to see how the debates go.  Trump might look like a wuss if he doesn't debate, and he might get his ass kicked if he does debate. 

The problem with both parties is that neither really has a strong backup.  Who's going to win the GOP if not Trump or DeSantis?  The field is weak.  Same with the Democrats.  If Biden were to drop out for whatever reason, Harris would be a pretty rough nominee.  Mayor Pete isn't super strong and I think it's the wrong time to risk a LGBT candidate.  Newsom has issues.  Whitmer might struggle.  I think Warnock would be nice but you'd risk losing the Senate.  Both parties need new blood.

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And I agree with your assessment.  I don't think Trump has the votes in the general election.  But it is absolutely ridiculous that a man under two federal indictments is this close to being able to win the presidency and pardon himself.

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I usually don't like musicals either.  I think the Flash did a decent job with it.  And I actually love the Always Sunny musical episode.

I'll see how this one is.

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Trump indicted again.

My question is...since these indictments only matter depending on whether or not he wins the election, are more indictments helpful or hurtful to Trump's election chances?  Obviously hardcore Republicans won't care and hardcore Democrats weren't going to vote for him anyway.  But what about non-MAGA Republicans or true independents?  Does adding another indictment to the pile make him less electable or does it add to the idea that this is all a political witch hunt?

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ireactions wrote:

As Kirk hunts down Picard, Kirk trounces Worf in a fight, outdraws Geordi in a phaser battle, gets the drop on Data, and Kirk nearly murders Picard with his bare hands until Riker (of all people!) gets the drop on Kirk.

That makes sense, though, right?  Isn't Riker essentially Kirk 2.0?

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I haven't read the Shatnerverse novels, but I love the way they resurrected Kirk.  I would love to see him resurrected in some way and get a proper sendoff.

Hopefully another show is greenlighted.  I know SNW and Lower Decks will continue and they're working on a Section 31 film, but that's the only Trek that's coming once Discovery ends, right?

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ireactions wrote:

The Farragut incident is summarized in the Season 2 TOS episode "Obsession" where Kirk recounts how, as a lieutenant  aboard that ship, there was an attack from a space vampire cloud creature of sorts which killed numerous crewmen including the captain, an incident that left Kirk traumatized and obsessed with hunting the creature down once it resurfaced during Kirk's captaincy of the Enterprise.

Maybe the intent is to eventually show this incident and it would explain the difference.  Maybe Kirk isn't assertive enough with his captain about the space vampire (deferring to him) and that blows up in his face.  Maybe he tries to think through a problem and ends up waiting too long and learns he needs to act first.  I'm not sure.

I like this version of Kirk, but I've liked every version of Kirk.  I don't love that we keep retreading this era, and I don't like how Kirk's story ends*.  But I like watching any version of this character and seeing people's interpretations of him.

* I hope Terry Matalas gets to make Star Trek Legacy and brings Shatner back.  It seems like there was some reason they referenced Kirk in the Section 31...museum?

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ireactions wrote:

TWhen on a time travel mission to the 2020s with La'an Noonien Singh, Kirk's attention drifts from the mission of identifying the source of temporal alteration. Instead, Kirk gets distracted by hot dogs, water, sunlight and planetary atmosphere. Kirk is also subdued in his self-deprecation as he tells La'an he urgently craves another hot dog. Shatner's Kirk, while keen to enjoy at least a little of everything that life had to offer, was a man with a mission. Wesley's Kirk is meandering.

To be fair, Kirk later admits that he is wasting time so that his timeline still comes to path.  He thinks that distracting Singh and not doing anything will preserve his own timeline.

Paul Wesley's Kirk doesn't come off as a young person who could someday become the Captain Kirk of THE ORIGINAL SERIES. His low key demeanor makes him seem more like a younger version of Jonathan Archer with Scott Bakula's humble warmth. Wesley's Kirk doesn't have even a hint of Captain Kirk's friendly competitiveness.

Well, Kirk does destroy a bunch of people in chess for money and then brag about it later.

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Of course, I've only seen TOS once and long ago so I'll defer to you.  But one explanation I've read for the difference is that Kirk hasn't yet experienced the tragedy on the Farragut.  I assume this is a good reason even though I have no idea what Kirk would've experienced on the Farragut or why that would make him act more like the way you'd expect him to act.

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Secret Invasion...

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I'm not one to buy into the idea that Marvel has jumped the shark, but something is wrong.  I don't know if they spread themselves too thin or they lost the ball or what, but their storytelling has gotten so much weaker. 

And I think Secret Invasion is a good microcosm of this.  I think Secret Invasion could've been a huge movie - essentially the spiritual sequel to Civil War.  The Avengers reunite to take on some big bad (not Kang).  With no Cap or Iron Man, the team is powerful but struggles, and one member of the team (Rhodey?) is killed.  They finish the job and rush to Rhodey and...he's a Skrull. 

So now you have Carol Danvers and Dr. Strange and Peter Parker and whoever else trying to figure out who else is a Skrull and what the heck is happening.  You have Sam Wilson trying to argue that he's the leader....is he doing that because he's a Skrull or because he thinks Captain America should have more respect?  You have all these new heroes - Shang-Chi and Shuri and maybe Kamala or Kate Bishop or the Eternals - who are they and where did they come from and are they Skrulls?  No one knows who to trust and everyone starts fighting and maybe by the end there are no more Avengers in any form.

Instead of being a huge $300 million+ budget movie, they made it a show.  Which I think is fine.  With the Super Skrull, there's an argument in-universe for why the Avengers cannot show up.  So you make it mostly unpowered humans Skrulls.  That's fine.  You save a ton of money on cast and effects and make it a modern spy thriller.

Here's the problem: they did nothing.  The show goes nowhere and does nothing.  People accuse Marvel of moving pieces around to get to the next movie, but I don't think this even does that.  It's just nothing.

- The whole premise is that Fury promised the Skrulls that they'd find him a home if they helped him.  The Skrulls held up their end of the bargain and Fury didn't.  And that thread goes....nowhere.  Fury never talks about why he didn't find them a planet or what he tried or where he failed.  And, again, this is something the show worked really hard to set up.  Episode 2 is called "The Promise." So this isn't something that they set up in the background and never followed through on (like how everyone assumed the scientist friend in Wandavision was going to be Reed Richards and the writers never meant for it to be an Easter Egg).  Fury never has to struggle with why he failed or even explain himself (the only time "he" even talks about it, he's being impersonated).  It's bizarre.  It's Chekov's gun except the gun is shown picture-in-picture consistently for the entire movie but is never used.

- Rhodey is a Skrull.  So what?  When?  No one ever asks him or confronts him.  Has he been a Skrull since Civil War (human Rhodey seemed to be paralyzed so that's as far back as it can go).  Did a Skrull fight Thanos?  If not, was he a Skrull during Falcon and the Winter Soldier?  If not, when was he a Skrull?  If he was only a Skrull in this appearance, who cares?  Same with Ross.  Was he a Skrull in Black Panther 2?  If not, who cares?  Rhodey being a Skrull only matters if he was a Skrull when we didn't know he was a Skrull.  If they showed Rhodey during the time period of Infinity War being a Skrull, that's interesting.  If he was only a Skrull now, the reveal is narratively pointless.

- What was Fury doing out in deep space?  It's been referenced a couple different times.  What was he doing?  Was it unrelated to finding the Skrulls a home?  There was plenty of time for him to talk about it, and he never does.  Is that going to be saved for a line in the Marvels?  If so, why wait for that?

- The Super Skrull.  It's a cool idea, but it shatters the whole point of not bringing in the Avengers.  If we were going to end up here, Fury should've called in the Avengers immediately.  And at the very least, Maria Hill was alive.  Now there's a huge threat out there.  That and the human-Skrull war that the president launched.  This feels like the Celestial from the end of Eternals - is this going to be a fairly big deal that no one ever talks about again?  How can Ga'ia exist in her current form.  She's a one-woman Avengers who should be a part of every team going forward.  Or she's a threat.  I dont' know how she can be in the background when she's literally the most powerful character in the universe now.

- Thematically, it's all over the place.  The main theme is supposed to be how immigrants/refugees should respond to a system that doesn't love them.  Do you work as hard as you can to make people love you (Talos' method) or do you fight for a place of your own (Gravik's)?  The answer is....nothing?  Talos died saving the president's life, and the president turned around and declared war on his people.  Ga'ia is forced to face this question and never comes to any sort of real conclusion.  It's another Chekov's gun that never leaves a drawer.

I wanted to like this show.  I loved the idea of telling smaller stories on Disney Plus to fill in gaps or introduce new characters.  But most of these shows are mediocre or don't go anywhere.  And it seemed like, at least at some point, these shows had a point.  Wandavision was great and led right into Multiverse of Madness.  You could get the backstory if you wanted, but the movie fills in enough gaps if you missed the show.  Falcon and the Winter Soldier leads directly into Captain America 4.  Loki into the Kang stuff.  Ms Marvel into the Marvels.  We get some character stuff so that we can get into the good stuff for the movies.

But if we're going to get stuff like this, I'm less interested.  And if stuff like this is also going to make the movies worse (Thor 4, Quantumania, etc) then what are we even doing?

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Grizzlor wrote:

Clone Wars/Rebels were sagas though.  I'm sure Prodigy is fine, I just don't have interest.

Yeah, I'm not trying to convince you.  I'm just saying I wrote it off as a baby's show, and it really wasn't that.  If it was a fully-realized show like Rebels or Clone Wars, I would probably try harder.  But it's 20 episodes with an uncertain future - it probably isn't worth your time at this point.

SNW followed the crossover with a hard hitting episode about Klingon War veterans and such.

Yeah and next week is a musical.  I loved the crossover and loved the Klingon episode, but they were such drastically different tones that it was a bit shocking.  And since they aired the crossover early, they aired within days of each other!

I'm not saying it was bad, but it definitely gave me thematic whiplash.

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This case seems so open and shut that even in a pretty red area, Trump is going to get convicted.  And it's so Trump for it to be something he could've easily avoided if he just followed the rules or listened to anyone competent.

The problem is that even if Trump is convicted prior to November, he's not going to serve any jail time (because of appeals) until after the election.  And if he wins, the case gets dropped.  Even if he's convicted in New York or Florida, apparently he could easily argue that a state conviction can't keep him from serving while he's president (which is a real thing - otherwise, a deep red state could convict Biden of something silly and force him to go to jail).

So the election is the real trial.  I'm still dubious that Trump will actually see any jail time in any of these cases, but he's gotta lose the election first.  If he wins the elections, literally none of these crimes is going to matter.

What's crazy to me is that so many people are willing to go to jail for Trump. And it's not even like Trump takes care of the people in his inner circle.  There are numerous examples of Trump abandoning the people who went to jail for him.  So I'm literally flabbergasted at the number of people willing to continue to do it.

And that's why I think the Democrats have made such a strange mistake.  If Trump is the big villain...if Trump is the big threat...if everything is about keeping Trump out of the White House again...going after Trump gets you nowhere.  It makes him more popular in his circles, and he can spin out of anything you throw at him.  The way to beat Trump is to take away his support.  And I think there were ways to do that, and I don't really think the Democrats even tried.

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No spoilers, but airing 2x08 in between 2x07 and 2x09 is....a choice.

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Grizzlor wrote:

Well that was two years ago, and obviously I gave it a chance.  Prodigy I'm not bothering with.

I had the same thought and Prodigy ended up really surprising me.  I don't even think it was all that kid-friendly at times.  I would say it was about as kid-friendly as the Clone Wars or Rebels?  Which is to say that there are some kid-friendly episodes but it still can get pretty dark.  And there are episodes that are as pure Trek as Strange New Worlds.  In fact, a recent episode of SNW essentially ripped off an episode of Prodigy (albeit a bit more twisted).

Now that's it's cancelled, I'm not going to say you definitely need to watch it.  But it shouldn't be written off any more than Lower Decks should've been written off.  Prodigy belongs.

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Yeah, I have just been thinking that there has been 8 years where Democrats could have been talking to Trump voters and finding some sort of workable compromise.  And instead of antagonizing them, I wonder if listening to (some of) them might've ended this threat instead of keeping it alive.

And, again, to be clear, I'm not talking about listening to the white nationalists or the insurrectionists or the Matt Gaetzs or Jim Jordans or Rand Pauls or MTG or Boebert or Trump himself.  Those people aren't interested in improving the nation by working together.  But that's not 70 million people.  I think Biden could've tried town halls in red states (or, for his protection, pink or purple states) with Trump voters to listen to their concerns.  Air it on Fox News and reach more Trump voters.

Then Biden should've gone back to his braintrust and Pelosi and Schumer and put together a list that was acceptable.  Work on the stuff I mentioned or do whatever made sense.

And this wouldn't even be about growing the Democratic Party.  It would simply be about eroding confidence in Trump.  Because I know there are Republicans that don't like Trump but still vote for him.  I don't know them personally, but I live in Texas - I know of them secondhand.  And if we could get to "well I don't like most of Biden's politics, but he seems like he's working on some of the things I care about and I really don't like Trump" with just a small percentage of Trump's 2020 voters then Trump has almost no shot of winning and the threat of Trump is neutralized.

If they'd just done a few things here and there that they could point to, they could've done exactly what they did the rest of Biden's first term and it would've been an enormous success.  Right now, I think they've still done enough but I'm not sure why more effort wasn't made to win over the people that were win-over-able.

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I finally saw Shazam 2.

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I wonder why Gal Gadot was in so many of these movies.  What was the post-Snyder, pre-Gunn plan?  With Batman cameoing in Aquaman 2, Batman cameoing in Batgirl, it seems like maybe Wonder Woman and Batman were going to be more involved?  But none of these movies are really building to anything.

I thought the movie was pretty fun.  Although I could see why it bombed so bad.

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I want to have a brief discussion on a topic that could get a bit controversial so I want ireactions ready to blow this out of the sky if necessary.

I think most middle or left-leaning people acknowledge that Trump and his movement are the most dangerous threats to democracy.  I think most people would also agree that the Democrats haven't done enough to a) hurt Trump, either politically or legally or b) bolster their own support enough that 2024 is a lock.

And something that's always bothered me is that I don't think 70 million people are fascist or racist or want America to go down a dark path.  I think a majority of those 70 million are upset about something much smaller and want someone to listen to their concerns.  And Donald Trump, for whatever reason, shows up as someone who is listening to their concerns.

Biden sold himself as an aisle-crosser in his 2020 campaign, and he has passed a lot of legislation that is at least partly bi-partisan.  But Democrats have still been pretty adversarial against Republicans, Trump, and MAGA.  And as the two forces appear to be colliding again in 2024, I have to ask myself...was that the wisest strategy?

I think America does need a uniter.  And I think Biden wants to do that, but I think Democrats are still playing like its 2015.  We saw a huge movement elect a monster into the White House.  Shouldn't the Democrats' top priority to figure out why and do something about that?  Maybe seek out the people that are so angry and listen to them?  Because I have to believe that a lot of them are reasonable and have reasonable (at least to them) concerns.  If the Democrats suddenly started listening, wouldn't that achieve some of the healing that Biden seems to want?

Here are some rough examples:

- The border.  This is a huge one and one that comes up whenever a Democrat is in office.  Biden immediately stopped progress on the infamous wall and tried to return to Obama-level treatment at the border.  A softer, gentler, more friendly face at the border.  But should this have been a better area of compromise?  Should they have had a more united front on the border, an obvious area of weakness?  Obviously I'm not talking about any sort of immigration ban or abuse.  But cosmetic changes at the border.  Maybe find some sort of compromise that allows the wall to be finished without wasting too much money.  Take Republican concerns into account and find a compromise.  If Republicans start seeing progress at the border run by Democrats, it takes a huge weapon out of Trump's 2024 arsenal.

- China.  One place that Republicans and Democrats agree is that China is a threat.  Should Biden have joined with Republicans to have a stronger front on China?  Especially considering the fact that they knew the Republicans would attack Biden on being soft on China.  Biden needed to separate from Trump on NATO and Ukraine, but China seems like an easy win.

- Hunter Biden.  Biden knew that his DOJ would be taking on Trump.  He had to have known the optics of that.  The Hunter Biden charges are baseless but they appear serious and are important to Republicans.  So should they have made the investigations into Hunter Biden more public?  More of a spectacle?  Do their best to get to the bottom of it?  It would be hard for Republicans to accuse Biden of weaponizing the DOJ when he went after his own son with the full weight of the department.  Would it be a waste of time and money?  Sure.  But if they could get everything out there and make it seem like they're uncovering everything they could, it would probably help publicly exonerate Hunter.

Just some ideas.  Obviously stuff like LGBT rights, civil rights, voting rights, etc would need to be off limits.  The White Nationalist side of the party would still need to be attacked and condemned.  But I imagine there are some areas that Biden could've compromised on.  And if they did, instead of fighting MAGA, they might've converted enough of them that the 2024 election would've been a walk in the park.  And some of the former-Democrats that turned MAGA loyalists might've come back to the team.

Am I wrong here?

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I thought the crossover was a lot of fun.  I struggle with the silliness of Lower Decks (although I also love it) as canon.  Boimler seems to know things as if he's a fan of Star Trek (not just Starfleet).  The crossover did a good job of making Boimler's neurotic behavior kinda normal, and that all these people on all our favorite shows might've all just been history nerds that love this stuff like we love Star Trek.

And I'll accept that some of the way-too-specific stuff that Boimler and Mariner reference is because Starfleet has some sort of extreme FOIA stuff going on, and bored lower deckers might read all the crew logs.

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I love Strange New Worlds.  I think it is fantastic, and I genuinely have enjoyed every episode I've seen.

I hate Star Trek prequels.  I will *always* prefer to move the story forward.  I understand not wanting the past to look ridiculous, but the past will always look ridiculous.  Star Trek was made in the 60s with a limited budget and limited technology.  But that's when it was made and it was the best they could do.  They were also limited by the thoughts and morals of the time.  And I understand wanting to update that and also feature classic characters.

But I would leave the past as the past.  If they want to do a time travel episode, they have to do it the way DS9 did it. If they want to explain differences, they have to do it the same way ("we don't talk about it with outsiders").  The past is the past.

TNG looks outdated.  But Picard didn't gloss over the differences - they called them out.

Now DS9 and Voyager look outdated.  But if you're consistently moving forward, it will always make sense.

I know I'm probably in the minority of this, but I would've loved a 25th Century story with the Strange New Worlds cast.  I would've always set Discovery in the post-Voyager era.  Move things forward.

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

To re-elect Donald Trump, he would have to:

1. Win over his base.
2. Win over all Republicans (very unlikely).
3. Win over all Independents (also very unlikely).

Also, Trumpers make up less than around 23% of the total numbers of republicans in the United States.

Never hurts to shout from the rooftops the catastrophic consequences of re-electing Trump, for those who are on the fence still.

Yeah, I agree.  I just think he'll have a harder time in 2024 than he had in 2020, and he lost in 2020.  I don't think there's a ton of reason for optimism - people still need to turn out and vote for Biden and enthusiasm on Biden is low - but I think it will hard for people that don't like Trump to vote for him when he's in so much trouble.  People will write it off, but I don't know if everyone in your groups 2 or 3 will do that. He doesn't need all Independents, but he needs more than he had in 2020.  And I just can't think of many non-Republicans that would have been convinced to vote Trump over Biden now.  Mayyyyybe when gas prices and inflation were high, but I don't see it now.

It's worth noting that Ron DeSantis' campaign (who is even more of a Hitler 2.0 than Trump) is now dead in the water. He would have to come back from that and win over all 3 mentioned above in order to become president.

The problem with every Republican candidate (with the exception of Christie) is that they're all terrified of alienating Trump voters by speaking against him.  But Trump voters like "fighters" and would be more likely to abandon Trump if they fought against him.  The other problem is that, because of how the GOP primaries are organized, Trump can win with a smaller percentage if the rest of the vote is spread out.  The only one willing to speak out is Christie (who has no shot), and too many anti-Trump candidates have jumped in.  They need to consolidate behind someone and attack Trump where he's vulnerable (and where he's vulnerable with Republicans is different where he's vulnerable with non-Republicans).

I just can't imagine the GOP leaders allowing Trump to win.  I just don't know if they can do anything about it.

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I agree that re-electing Donald Trump would be catastrophically dangerous.  But I think he's growing more obvious about his true intent, and I think that as his power grows in the Republican primary, his chances of winning the general election decrease.  Note: I've been very wrong about this before

I understand that a percentage of the population will vote for Trump no matter what.  One of the left-leaning YouTube channels found a bunch of people who said they'd vote for him if we was convicted of murder.  But that's not most people.  I have to think that, for lots of Republicans, they're putting up a mental divider between "Donald Trump the man" and "Donald Trump the idea" and they're willing to deal with one to get the other.

And while a lot of these people will be able to write off any indictment as a witch hunt, moderate Republicans and Independents won't.  And Trump not only needs some of these people to vote for him, he needs *a lot* of them to vote for him.  And I gotta think that if Trump has 4 criminal indictments by November 2024, the people who held their nose and voted for Trump won't be able to do it.  Not with the Supreme Court locked up for a generation or so.  Not with the economy going in the right direction and gas at a reasonable (if not slightly higher) price.  Not with inflation on the decline.  They're going to say "what we have is fine - I'm fine with four years of a guy I don't really hate"

Note 2: if the economy tanks or if Biden very seriously shows his age or Harris is the nominee for whatever reason, all of the above gets thrown out

I just can't imagine that 70 million Americans are willing to accept that Trump isn't guilty of *any* of the crimes he's accused of.  Polling shows that even Republicans consider the documents case to be serious.  I don't know if the January 6 stuff has legs, but I think the Georgia one is pretty open and shut.

Trump lost last time.  And I think a) Trump hasn't done anything to win over voters that either didn't vote for him or voted for Biden in 2020 and b) Biden has done enough and the economy has improved enough that Biden voters won't flip.  I think Democrats will be energized enough to vote against Trump even if they're sour on Biden.

Now if the Republicans rally around someone else, I think Biden is extremely vulnerable.  I think virtually any of the other Republicans can beat him.  But if it's Trump vs Biden again, I think Trump has alienated enough of the people that aren't his die-hard base that it would be hard for him to win.