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Interesting.  It's been a while since I've watched much TNG, but I've always thought that Riker's arc was that he was a highly ambitious and high-rising officer who really wanted to be the captain of a ship but who eventually enjoyed being on the Enterprise enough that he maybe got too comfortable and was essentially passed over and forgotten by Starfleet Command.  But it sounds like I'm pretty wrong about that.

As you know, I like to try and re-write certain pre-prestige-TV shows in my head.  I think a modern TNG would've had Riker show up as arrogant and defiant, thinking he's better than Picard and that he should be commanding the Enterprise.  Maybe a season one of constantly trying to communicate with his admiral buddies about open commands.  Maybe even to the point where Picard has to tell him to focus on his current job and not be focused on the others.  Maybe by the time we get to Best of Both Worlds, Riker and Picard are openly hostile towards each other.  And when he finally gets to command the Enterprise and Picard/Locutus wrecks him, it humbles Riker.  He asks a de-Borged Picard to mentor him and things get better.  Then maybe Riker finally gets offered a command and turns it down (like he did on the real show).  And by season 5 or 6, I think Riker should be thrust into command of his own ship and we'd see him grow that way.  Maybe that means Riker leaves the show, gets spun off into his own show, or the show focuses on two ships.

But thank you for your excellent analysis!

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I think the anthology show would've been great and a nice reintroduction to Trek.  For me, setting Discovery during the TOS era just makes things so difficult.  I think if Discovery had been set in the 25th century with the spore drive as a brand-new technology, with Burnham as the sister of another (new) famous Vulcan, and the zealot aliens being something else instead of the Klingons, I think the show could have been a tier greater than it was.  And yet, the show kept writing itself into corners that it didn't know how to get out of until it had to jump centuries into the future and force everyone left behind to swear the first two seasons to secrecy.

It's just a mess and it's a mess that wasn't necessary.  Nothing about Discovery season 1 requires it to be set in the TOS era, and if they weren't going to do an anthology series, setting it in a new era is the logical decision.

It doesn't matter, though.  Discovery was set during the TOS era, and it was all sworn to secrecy.  The muddled canon becomes more muddled, but it's fine.  I still watch Discovery (and look forward to its final season) and I still love Strange New Worlds.  Its fun to complain, but that's the heart of it.

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Don't get me wrong - I don't remember enough about TOS to really care whether or not they break continuity.  I get that continuity, especially in that era, is fragile.  And I really don't care enough about any of it to really get bothered.

What makes me a little crazy is that *they seem to care*.  By choosing to do a prequel, the writers/producers/creators care about the continuity.  Otherwise, why do a prequel at all?  For a mainstream movie like Star Trek 09, maybe you do a full reboot with a new cast because you want to reach the right audience.  And you pick the characters that have the most cultural footprint - some random person in Wisconsin or South Carolina is going to know Captain Kirk before they know Captain Janeway or Captain Sisko.  So you pick the most famous characters and hope to get the biggest audience.

But as we've discussed before, there's no reason to do Discovery in the pre-TOS era except for the fact that they wanted to borrow some of the credibility that comes with Spock and that specific era.  But they didn't even really want to do that (maybe Brian Fuller did) because they had new uniforms, new sets, new Klingons.  They were distancing themselves from that era, and they eventually just abandoned that idea anyway.

Strange New Worlds made a similar decision.  I don't know if the Enterprise crew was put on Discovery as a backdoor pilot to a new show, but you gotta think that was part of the decision.  But instead of taking a great cast and making a new show in a new era, they decided to do another prequel.  And this one lent itself to being a prequel with the same uniforms and some of the same storylines.  So they have to care about the continuity because why else wouldn't they just do something new.  They like this era, they like the uniforms and they like the characters.

And when you do a prequel, you're choosing to live dangerously.  When Picard decided to do a follow-up, they can do whatever they want.  They could make Picard a father or bring back the Enterprise D or have Q fight the Borg Queen.  It's all new so it doesn't matter.  If they'd decided to say that Picard was a father for the entirety of TNG and just never mentioned it...that's an issue.

Because, to me, the point of the a prequel is to flesh out the stories that have already been told.  You learn about Anakin and Obi-Wan's friendship and it colors the way they talk about each other in A New Hope.  It isn't perfect and maybe the story sucks but that's the whole point of the prequels - to flesh out the story.

If you're just telling new stories in an existing timeline, it's like going back in time.  If you're not super careful, you're going to change something.  It's just too dangerous.

If I ran Trek, I'd make the executive decision that no prequels.  If you go back in time, it looks like the 60s in the TOS era and the 80s/90s in the TNG era.  That's just how it looked.  If you want things to look better, tell a story set in the future.  The model was perfect when TNG jumped forward a century.  Things look better because technology got better.  End of story.

Strange New Worlds is way better than Discovery, and I'm willing to forgive any continuity errors.  I just don't like the idea of retreading if there's no narrative reason to do that.  Strange New Worlds in the 26th century is still a great show.

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Grizzlor wrote:

I've been battling with people on the trekbbs boards on this, you cannot really expect this writing staff to be connecting everything they do with the minutia of TOS canon.

I mean...you have to at least try, right?  That's the problem with doing prequels.  It's exciting to have a scary new villain, but it has to fit into what we already know. 

And to be fair, I have no idea if this is a violation.  I haven't seen Arena in a very long time.  I just know that the Gorn weren't mentioned at all in any of the TNG-era shows so the continuity probably isn't super important.  Maybe there's a war and they agree to just have no contact. 

Again, I love SNW.  It's quickly shooting up the list of my favorite Trek shows, and all things considered, it might be my favorite.  But it being Pike and Spoke and Uhura doesn't really add to it for me.  Pike is a great character, but if his name was Lester Fairburn and he was a captain of the USS Knoxville in 2512, it wouldn't really change anything for me.  As I've said, I just want to move the story forward.  And I feel that way about basically any prequel.  You're just asking for trouble when you don't really need it.

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I liked the finale.  Very tense.

I will need our Trek historian ireactions to help me understand if we're screwing up continuity too much with this much interaction with the Gorn.  My limited understanding was that Starfleet hadn't really seen the Gorn until Kirk and that the Federation hadn't really interacted with them a ton.

I also struggle to see how this species became technologically advanced, but maybe I'm just not being creative enough.

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I thought the musical was well done and many of the songs were pretty catchy.  I always want to complain when I think the premise is pretty silly, but I feel like Trek has been pretty silly this entire time.

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

So, figuratively, Trump would need to win over:

1. That 23%.
2. All republicans (the other 78%). (unlikely)
3. 100% of all independents (extremely unlikely).

The chance is very remote that he will win 2024. Ron Deathsantis' campaign is dead in the water, with Trump being the only one in the rethuglican party who can kind of do anything.

I highly doubt and would be very surprised if Trump accomplishes all of the above given his legal problems.

Also, I saw a news headline that 4 red states that usually lead in terms of the election have all run out of republican election funding.

Trump's money problems are going to be a problem.  I think the GOP would love for someone to step up, but DeSantis was probably that guy and he has so far really screwed up.  I'm interested to see how the debates go.  Trump might look like a wuss if he doesn't debate, and he might get his ass kicked if he does debate. 

The problem with both parties is that neither really has a strong backup.  Who's going to win the GOP if not Trump or DeSantis?  The field is weak.  Same with the Democrats.  If Biden were to drop out for whatever reason, Harris would be a pretty rough nominee.  Mayor Pete isn't super strong and I think it's the wrong time to risk a LGBT candidate.  Newsom has issues.  Whitmer might struggle.  I think Warnock would be nice but you'd risk losing the Senate.  Both parties need new blood.

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And I agree with your assessment.  I don't think Trump has the votes in the general election.  But it is absolutely ridiculous that a man under two federal indictments is this close to being able to win the presidency and pardon himself.

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I usually don't like musicals either.  I think the Flash did a decent job with it.  And I actually love the Always Sunny musical episode.

I'll see how this one is.

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Trump indicted again.

My question is...since these indictments only matter depending on whether or not he wins the election, are more indictments helpful or hurtful to Trump's election chances?  Obviously hardcore Republicans won't care and hardcore Democrats weren't going to vote for him anyway.  But what about non-MAGA Republicans or true independents?  Does adding another indictment to the pile make him less electable or does it add to the idea that this is all a political witch hunt?

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ireactions wrote:

As Kirk hunts down Picard, Kirk trounces Worf in a fight, outdraws Geordi in a phaser battle, gets the drop on Data, and Kirk nearly murders Picard with his bare hands until Riker (of all people!) gets the drop on Kirk.

That makes sense, though, right?  Isn't Riker essentially Kirk 2.0?

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I haven't read the Shatnerverse novels, but I love the way they resurrected Kirk.  I would love to see him resurrected in some way and get a proper sendoff.

Hopefully another show is greenlighted.  I know SNW and Lower Decks will continue and they're working on a Section 31 film, but that's the only Trek that's coming once Discovery ends, right?

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ireactions wrote:

The Farragut incident is summarized in the Season 2 TOS episode "Obsession" where Kirk recounts how, as a lieutenant  aboard that ship, there was an attack from a space vampire cloud creature of sorts which killed numerous crewmen including the captain, an incident that left Kirk traumatized and obsessed with hunting the creature down once it resurfaced during Kirk's captaincy of the Enterprise.

Maybe the intent is to eventually show this incident and it would explain the difference.  Maybe Kirk isn't assertive enough with his captain about the space vampire (deferring to him) and that blows up in his face.  Maybe he tries to think through a problem and ends up waiting too long and learns he needs to act first.  I'm not sure.

I like this version of Kirk, but I've liked every version of Kirk.  I don't love that we keep retreading this era, and I don't like how Kirk's story ends*.  But I like watching any version of this character and seeing people's interpretations of him.

* I hope Terry Matalas gets to make Star Trek Legacy and brings Shatner back.  It seems like there was some reason they referenced Kirk in the Section 31...museum?

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ireactions wrote:

TWhen on a time travel mission to the 2020s with La'an Noonien Singh, Kirk's attention drifts from the mission of identifying the source of temporal alteration. Instead, Kirk gets distracted by hot dogs, water, sunlight and planetary atmosphere. Kirk is also subdued in his self-deprecation as he tells La'an he urgently craves another hot dog. Shatner's Kirk, while keen to enjoy at least a little of everything that life had to offer, was a man with a mission. Wesley's Kirk is meandering.

To be fair, Kirk later admits that he is wasting time so that his timeline still comes to path.  He thinks that distracting Singh and not doing anything will preserve his own timeline.

Paul Wesley's Kirk doesn't come off as a young person who could someday become the Captain Kirk of THE ORIGINAL SERIES. His low key demeanor makes him seem more like a younger version of Jonathan Archer with Scott Bakula's humble warmth. Wesley's Kirk doesn't have even a hint of Captain Kirk's friendly competitiveness.

Well, Kirk does destroy a bunch of people in chess for money and then brag about it later.

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Of course, I've only seen TOS once and long ago so I'll defer to you.  But one explanation I've read for the difference is that Kirk hasn't yet experienced the tragedy on the Farragut.  I assume this is a good reason even though I have no idea what Kirk would've experienced on the Farragut or why that would make him act more like the way you'd expect him to act.

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Secret Invasion...

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I'm not one to buy into the idea that Marvel has jumped the shark, but something is wrong.  I don't know if they spread themselves too thin or they lost the ball or what, but their storytelling has gotten so much weaker. 

And I think Secret Invasion is a good microcosm of this.  I think Secret Invasion could've been a huge movie - essentially the spiritual sequel to Civil War.  The Avengers reunite to take on some big bad (not Kang).  With no Cap or Iron Man, the team is powerful but struggles, and one member of the team (Rhodey?) is killed.  They finish the job and rush to Rhodey and...he's a Skrull. 

So now you have Carol Danvers and Dr. Strange and Peter Parker and whoever else trying to figure out who else is a Skrull and what the heck is happening.  You have Sam Wilson trying to argue that he's the leader....is he doing that because he's a Skrull or because he thinks Captain America should have more respect?  You have all these new heroes - Shang-Chi and Shuri and maybe Kamala or Kate Bishop or the Eternals - who are they and where did they come from and are they Skrulls?  No one knows who to trust and everyone starts fighting and maybe by the end there are no more Avengers in any form.

Instead of being a huge $300 million+ budget movie, they made it a show.  Which I think is fine.  With the Super Skrull, there's an argument in-universe for why the Avengers cannot show up.  So you make it mostly unpowered humans Skrulls.  That's fine.  You save a ton of money on cast and effects and make it a modern spy thriller.

Here's the problem: they did nothing.  The show goes nowhere and does nothing.  People accuse Marvel of moving pieces around to get to the next movie, but I don't think this even does that.  It's just nothing.

- The whole premise is that Fury promised the Skrulls that they'd find him a home if they helped him.  The Skrulls held up their end of the bargain and Fury didn't.  And that thread goes....nowhere.  Fury never talks about why he didn't find them a planet or what he tried or where he failed.  And, again, this is something the show worked really hard to set up.  Episode 2 is called "The Promise." So this isn't something that they set up in the background and never followed through on (like how everyone assumed the scientist friend in Wandavision was going to be Reed Richards and the writers never meant for it to be an Easter Egg).  Fury never has to struggle with why he failed or even explain himself (the only time "he" even talks about it, he's being impersonated).  It's bizarre.  It's Chekov's gun except the gun is shown picture-in-picture consistently for the entire movie but is never used.

- Rhodey is a Skrull.  So what?  When?  No one ever asks him or confronts him.  Has he been a Skrull since Civil War (human Rhodey seemed to be paralyzed so that's as far back as it can go).  Did a Skrull fight Thanos?  If not, was he a Skrull during Falcon and the Winter Soldier?  If not, when was he a Skrull?  If he was only a Skrull in this appearance, who cares?  Same with Ross.  Was he a Skrull in Black Panther 2?  If not, who cares?  Rhodey being a Skrull only matters if he was a Skrull when we didn't know he was a Skrull.  If they showed Rhodey during the time period of Infinity War being a Skrull, that's interesting.  If he was only a Skrull now, the reveal is narratively pointless.

- What was Fury doing out in deep space?  It's been referenced a couple different times.  What was he doing?  Was it unrelated to finding the Skrulls a home?  There was plenty of time for him to talk about it, and he never does.  Is that going to be saved for a line in the Marvels?  If so, why wait for that?

- The Super Skrull.  It's a cool idea, but it shatters the whole point of not bringing in the Avengers.  If we were going to end up here, Fury should've called in the Avengers immediately.  And at the very least, Maria Hill was alive.  Now there's a huge threat out there.  That and the human-Skrull war that the president launched.  This feels like the Celestial from the end of Eternals - is this going to be a fairly big deal that no one ever talks about again?  How can Ga'ia exist in her current form.  She's a one-woman Avengers who should be a part of every team going forward.  Or she's a threat.  I dont' know how she can be in the background when she's literally the most powerful character in the universe now.

- Thematically, it's all over the place.  The main theme is supposed to be how immigrants/refugees should respond to a system that doesn't love them.  Do you work as hard as you can to make people love you (Talos' method) or do you fight for a place of your own (Gravik's)?  The answer is....nothing?  Talos died saving the president's life, and the president turned around and declared war on his people.  Ga'ia is forced to face this question and never comes to any sort of real conclusion.  It's another Chekov's gun that never leaves a drawer.

I wanted to like this show.  I loved the idea of telling smaller stories on Disney Plus to fill in gaps or introduce new characters.  But most of these shows are mediocre or don't go anywhere.  And it seemed like, at least at some point, these shows had a point.  Wandavision was great and led right into Multiverse of Madness.  You could get the backstory if you wanted, but the movie fills in enough gaps if you missed the show.  Falcon and the Winter Soldier leads directly into Captain America 4.  Loki into the Kang stuff.  Ms Marvel into the Marvels.  We get some character stuff so that we can get into the good stuff for the movies.

But if we're going to get stuff like this, I'm less interested.  And if stuff like this is also going to make the movies worse (Thor 4, Quantumania, etc) then what are we even doing?

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Grizzlor wrote:

Clone Wars/Rebels were sagas though.  I'm sure Prodigy is fine, I just don't have interest.

Yeah, I'm not trying to convince you.  I'm just saying I wrote it off as a baby's show, and it really wasn't that.  If it was a fully-realized show like Rebels or Clone Wars, I would probably try harder.  But it's 20 episodes with an uncertain future - it probably isn't worth your time at this point.

SNW followed the crossover with a hard hitting episode about Klingon War veterans and such.

Yeah and next week is a musical.  I loved the crossover and loved the Klingon episode, but they were such drastically different tones that it was a bit shocking.  And since they aired the crossover early, they aired within days of each other!

I'm not saying it was bad, but it definitely gave me thematic whiplash.

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This case seems so open and shut that even in a pretty red area, Trump is going to get convicted.  And it's so Trump for it to be something he could've easily avoided if he just followed the rules or listened to anyone competent.

The problem is that even if Trump is convicted prior to November, he's not going to serve any jail time (because of appeals) until after the election.  And if he wins, the case gets dropped.  Even if he's convicted in New York or Florida, apparently he could easily argue that a state conviction can't keep him from serving while he's president (which is a real thing - otherwise, a deep red state could convict Biden of something silly and force him to go to jail).

So the election is the real trial.  I'm still dubious that Trump will actually see any jail time in any of these cases, but he's gotta lose the election first.  If he wins the elections, literally none of these crimes is going to matter.

What's crazy to me is that so many people are willing to go to jail for Trump. And it's not even like Trump takes care of the people in his inner circle.  There are numerous examples of Trump abandoning the people who went to jail for him.  So I'm literally flabbergasted at the number of people willing to continue to do it.

And that's why I think the Democrats have made such a strange mistake.  If Trump is the big villain...if Trump is the big threat...if everything is about keeping Trump out of the White House again...going after Trump gets you nowhere.  It makes him more popular in his circles, and he can spin out of anything you throw at him.  The way to beat Trump is to take away his support.  And I think there were ways to do that, and I don't really think the Democrats even tried.

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No spoilers, but airing 2x08 in between 2x07 and 2x09 is....a choice.

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Grizzlor wrote:

Well that was two years ago, and obviously I gave it a chance.  Prodigy I'm not bothering with.

I had the same thought and Prodigy ended up really surprising me.  I don't even think it was all that kid-friendly at times.  I would say it was about as kid-friendly as the Clone Wars or Rebels?  Which is to say that there are some kid-friendly episodes but it still can get pretty dark.  And there are episodes that are as pure Trek as Strange New Worlds.  In fact, a recent episode of SNW essentially ripped off an episode of Prodigy (albeit a bit more twisted).

Now that's it's cancelled, I'm not going to say you definitely need to watch it.  But it shouldn't be written off any more than Lower Decks should've been written off.  Prodigy belongs.

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Yeah, I have just been thinking that there has been 8 years where Democrats could have been talking to Trump voters and finding some sort of workable compromise.  And instead of antagonizing them, I wonder if listening to (some of) them might've ended this threat instead of keeping it alive.

And, again, to be clear, I'm not talking about listening to the white nationalists or the insurrectionists or the Matt Gaetzs or Jim Jordans or Rand Pauls or MTG or Boebert or Trump himself.  Those people aren't interested in improving the nation by working together.  But that's not 70 million people.  I think Biden could've tried town halls in red states (or, for his protection, pink or purple states) with Trump voters to listen to their concerns.  Air it on Fox News and reach more Trump voters.

Then Biden should've gone back to his braintrust and Pelosi and Schumer and put together a list that was acceptable.  Work on the stuff I mentioned or do whatever made sense.

And this wouldn't even be about growing the Democratic Party.  It would simply be about eroding confidence in Trump.  Because I know there are Republicans that don't like Trump but still vote for him.  I don't know them personally, but I live in Texas - I know of them secondhand.  And if we could get to "well I don't like most of Biden's politics, but he seems like he's working on some of the things I care about and I really don't like Trump" with just a small percentage of Trump's 2020 voters then Trump has almost no shot of winning and the threat of Trump is neutralized.

If they'd just done a few things here and there that they could point to, they could've done exactly what they did the rest of Biden's first term and it would've been an enormous success.  Right now, I think they've still done enough but I'm not sure why more effort wasn't made to win over the people that were win-over-able.

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I finally saw Shazam 2.

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I wonder why Gal Gadot was in so many of these movies.  What was the post-Snyder, pre-Gunn plan?  With Batman cameoing in Aquaman 2, Batman cameoing in Batgirl, it seems like maybe Wonder Woman and Batman were going to be more involved?  But none of these movies are really building to anything.

I thought the movie was pretty fun.  Although I could see why it bombed so bad.

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I want to have a brief discussion on a topic that could get a bit controversial so I want ireactions ready to blow this out of the sky if necessary.

I think most middle or left-leaning people acknowledge that Trump and his movement are the most dangerous threats to democracy.  I think most people would also agree that the Democrats haven't done enough to a) hurt Trump, either politically or legally or b) bolster their own support enough that 2024 is a lock.

And something that's always bothered me is that I don't think 70 million people are fascist or racist or want America to go down a dark path.  I think a majority of those 70 million are upset about something much smaller and want someone to listen to their concerns.  And Donald Trump, for whatever reason, shows up as someone who is listening to their concerns.

Biden sold himself as an aisle-crosser in his 2020 campaign, and he has passed a lot of legislation that is at least partly bi-partisan.  But Democrats have still been pretty adversarial against Republicans, Trump, and MAGA.  And as the two forces appear to be colliding again in 2024, I have to ask myself...was that the wisest strategy?

I think America does need a uniter.  And I think Biden wants to do that, but I think Democrats are still playing like its 2015.  We saw a huge movement elect a monster into the White House.  Shouldn't the Democrats' top priority to figure out why and do something about that?  Maybe seek out the people that are so angry and listen to them?  Because I have to believe that a lot of them are reasonable and have reasonable (at least to them) concerns.  If the Democrats suddenly started listening, wouldn't that achieve some of the healing that Biden seems to want?

Here are some rough examples:

- The border.  This is a huge one and one that comes up whenever a Democrat is in office.  Biden immediately stopped progress on the infamous wall and tried to return to Obama-level treatment at the border.  A softer, gentler, more friendly face at the border.  But should this have been a better area of compromise?  Should they have had a more united front on the border, an obvious area of weakness?  Obviously I'm not talking about any sort of immigration ban or abuse.  But cosmetic changes at the border.  Maybe find some sort of compromise that allows the wall to be finished without wasting too much money.  Take Republican concerns into account and find a compromise.  If Republicans start seeing progress at the border run by Democrats, it takes a huge weapon out of Trump's 2024 arsenal.

- China.  One place that Republicans and Democrats agree is that China is a threat.  Should Biden have joined with Republicans to have a stronger front on China?  Especially considering the fact that they knew the Republicans would attack Biden on being soft on China.  Biden needed to separate from Trump on NATO and Ukraine, but China seems like an easy win.

- Hunter Biden.  Biden knew that his DOJ would be taking on Trump.  He had to have known the optics of that.  The Hunter Biden charges are baseless but they appear serious and are important to Republicans.  So should they have made the investigations into Hunter Biden more public?  More of a spectacle?  Do their best to get to the bottom of it?  It would be hard for Republicans to accuse Biden of weaponizing the DOJ when he went after his own son with the full weight of the department.  Would it be a waste of time and money?  Sure.  But if they could get everything out there and make it seem like they're uncovering everything they could, it would probably help publicly exonerate Hunter.

Just some ideas.  Obviously stuff like LGBT rights, civil rights, voting rights, etc would need to be off limits.  The White Nationalist side of the party would still need to be attacked and condemned.  But I imagine there are some areas that Biden could've compromised on.  And if they did, instead of fighting MAGA, they might've converted enough of them that the 2024 election would've been a walk in the park.  And some of the former-Democrats that turned MAGA loyalists might've come back to the team.

Am I wrong here?

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I thought the crossover was a lot of fun.  I struggle with the silliness of Lower Decks (although I also love it) as canon.  Boimler seems to know things as if he's a fan of Star Trek (not just Starfleet).  The crossover did a good job of making Boimler's neurotic behavior kinda normal, and that all these people on all our favorite shows might've all just been history nerds that love this stuff like we love Star Trek.

And I'll accept that some of the way-too-specific stuff that Boimler and Mariner reference is because Starfleet has some sort of extreme FOIA stuff going on, and bored lower deckers might read all the crew logs.

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I love Strange New Worlds.  I think it is fantastic, and I genuinely have enjoyed every episode I've seen.

I hate Star Trek prequels.  I will *always* prefer to move the story forward.  I understand not wanting the past to look ridiculous, but the past will always look ridiculous.  Star Trek was made in the 60s with a limited budget and limited technology.  But that's when it was made and it was the best they could do.  They were also limited by the thoughts and morals of the time.  And I understand wanting to update that and also feature classic characters.

But I would leave the past as the past.  If they want to do a time travel episode, they have to do it the way DS9 did it. If they want to explain differences, they have to do it the same way ("we don't talk about it with outsiders").  The past is the past.

TNG looks outdated.  But Picard didn't gloss over the differences - they called them out.

Now DS9 and Voyager look outdated.  But if you're consistently moving forward, it will always make sense.

I know I'm probably in the minority of this, but I would've loved a 25th Century story with the Strange New Worlds cast.  I would've always set Discovery in the post-Voyager era.  Move things forward.

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

To re-elect Donald Trump, he would have to:

1. Win over his base.
2. Win over all Republicans (very unlikely).
3. Win over all Independents (also very unlikely).

Also, Trumpers make up less than around 23% of the total numbers of republicans in the United States.

Never hurts to shout from the rooftops the catastrophic consequences of re-electing Trump, for those who are on the fence still.

Yeah, I agree.  I just think he'll have a harder time in 2024 than he had in 2020, and he lost in 2020.  I don't think there's a ton of reason for optimism - people still need to turn out and vote for Biden and enthusiasm on Biden is low - but I think it will hard for people that don't like Trump to vote for him when he's in so much trouble.  People will write it off, but I don't know if everyone in your groups 2 or 3 will do that. He doesn't need all Independents, but he needs more than he had in 2020.  And I just can't think of many non-Republicans that would have been convinced to vote Trump over Biden now.  Mayyyyybe when gas prices and inflation were high, but I don't see it now.

It's worth noting that Ron DeSantis' campaign (who is even more of a Hitler 2.0 than Trump) is now dead in the water. He would have to come back from that and win over all 3 mentioned above in order to become president.

The problem with every Republican candidate (with the exception of Christie) is that they're all terrified of alienating Trump voters by speaking against him.  But Trump voters like "fighters" and would be more likely to abandon Trump if they fought against him.  The other problem is that, because of how the GOP primaries are organized, Trump can win with a smaller percentage if the rest of the vote is spread out.  The only one willing to speak out is Christie (who has no shot), and too many anti-Trump candidates have jumped in.  They need to consolidate behind someone and attack Trump where he's vulnerable (and where he's vulnerable with Republicans is different where he's vulnerable with non-Republicans).

I just can't imagine the GOP leaders allowing Trump to win.  I just don't know if they can do anything about it.

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I agree that re-electing Donald Trump would be catastrophically dangerous.  But I think he's growing more obvious about his true intent, and I think that as his power grows in the Republican primary, his chances of winning the general election decrease.  Note: I've been very wrong about this before

I understand that a percentage of the population will vote for Trump no matter what.  One of the left-leaning YouTube channels found a bunch of people who said they'd vote for him if we was convicted of murder.  But that's not most people.  I have to think that, for lots of Republicans, they're putting up a mental divider between "Donald Trump the man" and "Donald Trump the idea" and they're willing to deal with one to get the other.

And while a lot of these people will be able to write off any indictment as a witch hunt, moderate Republicans and Independents won't.  And Trump not only needs some of these people to vote for him, he needs *a lot* of them to vote for him.  And I gotta think that if Trump has 4 criminal indictments by November 2024, the people who held their nose and voted for Trump won't be able to do it.  Not with the Supreme Court locked up for a generation or so.  Not with the economy going in the right direction and gas at a reasonable (if not slightly higher) price.  Not with inflation on the decline.  They're going to say "what we have is fine - I'm fine with four years of a guy I don't really hate"

Note 2: if the economy tanks or if Biden very seriously shows his age or Harris is the nominee for whatever reason, all of the above gets thrown out

I just can't imagine that 70 million Americans are willing to accept that Trump isn't guilty of *any* of the crimes he's accused of.  Polling shows that even Republicans consider the documents case to be serious.  I don't know if the January 6 stuff has legs, but I think the Georgia one is pretty open and shut.

Trump lost last time.  And I think a) Trump hasn't done anything to win over voters that either didn't vote for him or voted for Biden in 2020 and b) Biden has done enough and the economy has improved enough that Biden voters won't flip.  I think Democrats will be energized enough to vote against Trump even if they're sour on Biden.

Now if the Republicans rally around someone else, I think Biden is extremely vulnerable.  I think virtually any of the other Republicans can beat him.  But if it's Trump vs Biden again, I think Trump has alienated enough of the people that aren't his die-hard base that it would be hard for him to win.

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

My stepdad passed away last night at 9:24 pm.

His stomach aortic aneurysm ruptured early in the morning hours of July 5th. He was rushed to the hospital with my stepsister in the ambulance (she's fine...just going along with him). They were going to do emergency surgery on him but took several hours to find a vascular surgeon who could do it (they were at USC in Los Angeles). Apparently almost nobody was available due to the short time after the holiday.

They did the surgery yesterday morning. He made it through and they were able to correct the aneurysm. Shortly thereafter there was swelling in the abdomen and they needed to take a look at that asap, which required exploratory surgery. They got him into a second surgery yesterday at around 9:25 a.m. He made it through that one, except: they found out that his entire intestinal tract was dead from the aneurysm rupture.

It was not survivable.

So, he passed away at 9:24 pm last night.

We're all still in shock as none of us ever thought this would happen so fast. We thought we'd have at least a couple years left. We're not doing well and taking things day by day.

RIP stepdad. I will miss you. So much. I am so glad I called you on the 4th.

I'm very sorry to hear this.  Prayers to you and your family (and I mean it smile )

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ireactions wrote:

I really would not disagree with Grizzlor -- or anyone -- saying that DC is a mess. It's a fair statement. However, the mess isn't James Gunn's mess.

Oh, I agree with this.  DC has been a mess.  WB is absolutely a mess.  But I think James Gunn is one of the few people out there that I would trust to clean up the mess, and I think Gunn is doing the best job he can to clean up the mess.

The problem is that there are many people who have played Batman and Superman.  Recasting those parts are no big deal to mainstream audiences.  Even the Flash can be recast because there are three actors that can legitimately claim to be the Flash. Wonder Woman has two, but for the majority of audiences under 40, there's just one.  For the vast majority of people (sorry to Alan Ritchson and briefly Justin Hartley), there's only been one Aquaman.  And Wonder Woman and Aquaman were the two most financial successes of the DCEU so they probably shouldn't kill the golden geese.

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I don't know if that's entirely fair.  Gunn has succeeded in doing just about everything he's done.  I get the idea that he's handpicked every project he's done, particularly because he's written almost everything he's been a part of.  He didn't do The Suicide Squad because he was assigned it - DC offered him whatever he wanted and he picked it.  So, yes, a lot of his projects are weird (Slither, The Belko Experiment) or about outsiders (Guardians, The Suicide Squad, Peacemaker, even Scooby Doo).

But remember that Gunn handpicked this too.  If he only liked outsiders or fringe stuff, he could've made a DCU where the Justice League are background characters.  After all, DC has a deep roster and he's already starting his universe with The Authority and Creature Commandos.  He could've copied the MCU model and built his universe around C-list characters, winning people over before the big guns ever come out.

But he chose Superman.  Not just to start his universe but to write and direct himself.  So he must want to do it as much as he wanted to do the other things he's done in his career.  Maybe moreso.

Everything Gunn has done has been pretty well made.  I've seen almost every movie he's made and I've generally enjoyed it all.  I don't think there's any reason to not believe that he's going to guide this ship in the right direction this time.  WB being a mess notwithstanding.

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Well, we have our Superman and Lois.

My only comment is that I think Informant would've liked this hire better.  I know he ended up devoted to Cavill (maybe? I forget), but this Superman is American.

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Hypothetical question - if Trump breaks the gag order in his federal trial, would that be an automatic punishment or would that be another trial that he'd be able to delay?

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Well if the plan is to have a low-key season 4 devoid of CG, that's not really the way to set it up!

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ireactions wrote:

I don't know why PRODIGY is being reported as cancelled. Season 2 was written, recorded and is in post production. It's going to be completed and shopped to another streaming service. Paramount + won't stream it to take a tax writeoff, but Season 2 is going to be released somewhere at some point.

I don't know how this works, but how cheap would that need to be to make sense?  Batgirl was finished and will never get released.  Does it make sense for Netflix (or some kids' streaming service) to pay for 30 episodes of a show?  If it's cheaper to not release it, why would another streaming service pay for it?  If it was part of a package with TOS, TNG, Voyager, etc maybe.  But by itself?

But honestly, I don't know anything about this.  Maybe its an easy sell.  I hope you're right - I would like to see the rest of the episodes, even if the show won't get a proper sendoff.

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I was saddened by what happened with Prodigy, although I'm also still a little unclear on what exactly did happen with Prodigy.  It's cancelled, it's getting pulled off Paramount + (or whatever that's becoming) and season 2 doesn't have a home.  But if Nickelodeon said no and Paramount + said no...what even are the options?  Would Paramount make it cheap enough to go somewhere, or is season 2 of Prodigy a Batgirl situation?

When it was announced, I didn't think Prodigy was for me.  It felt kiddie.  But I heard good things from people I respect, and I gave it a shot.  And while it's geared for kids, I never thought it was kiddie.  It's probably as mature as Star Wars Rebels.  And the stories were interesting and well done.  I hope it finds a home and we get to see season 2.  While I haven't loved everything "new" Trek has done, this is the first major misstep for me.

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Yeah, I understand why he was in a tough spot.  What's kinda funny is that I feel like the DCEU was starting to find its footing.  Between Cavill showing up in Black Adam and Gadot showing up in Shazam (which I haven't seen but showed up in promo materials), it was starting to feel like a cohesive universe with some kind of plan.  But I absolutely understand why Gunn and Co. decided to start over.  And I understand why they can't just throw out Aquaman 2 (the sequel to the highest grossing DCEU film?) and a Flash movie that was very expensive.

Still, if it were me, I would've done a post-credit teaser for the "Gunnverse" and just clarified that Barry's universe is done.  It would've fit nicely in the movie and would've shown that something new is coming.

I don't know about Aquaman.  I know they've talked about Mamoa being Lobo so maybe they will recast.

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Nice analysis.  I watched it last night and let me give you my thoughts.

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I'm not 100% sure of how I feel about the movie just yet.  Ezra Miller was good in the ways that they played both characters, but one thing has consistently bothered me.  Is Barry autistic?  I know he certainly seems to be on the spectrum, but are the writers simply unwilling to admit this?  Is Barry 2 also autistic but just not as outwardly obvious?  Or is that just because I'm fairly uneducated on this topic and it's obvious in both iterations?

It doesn't really matter, I suppose.  People on the spectrum don't have to advertise that they're on the spectrum, but I'm just a little surprised that it just hasn't ever been addressed at all.

One thing I did like is that Barry's personality is so different.  I think I experienced this myself - my father died at a young age, and my personality shifted significantly when it happened.  I used to be a loud (and pretty obnoxious) kid who was very outgoing and popular.  Afterwards, I became a more reserved, quiet, somewhat-reclusive kid.  Still the same person - just too wounded to be outgoing anymore.  I could see if there was a SQ21 movie, I might go back and keep my dad from dying and I'd have a much different personality.

From trailers and promotional leaks, I knew that Barry 2 was going to go bad somehow.  But we were two hours in and I didn't really want that to happen.  I liked Barry 2, and I didn't want to see him turn heel.  I thought "dark Flash" was a reasonable turn of events.  Barry has these new powers and has convinced himself that he can use them to do whatever he needs to do.  After not caring, he's invested himself in this scenario, and he's willing to do what it takes now.

Can Barry in the comics fight an army of kryptonians?  I know he's going out of his way to use his powers as effectively as possible and the kryptonians don't have any reason to suspect they're in any danger from any of the humans.  And when people are aware of him (the Space Giant, Zod, etc), it's usually a harder fight.  I'm basically the worst person to ask about physics, but even at super speed, wouldn't Barry punching a Kryptonian break his hand?

I thought the emotional climax was strong, and I think Miller handled it well.  I think Barry makes an irresponsible decision at the beginning, even after Batman tells him not to, and I think he ends up paying for it.  What was strange to me is that we never find out who actually killed Barry's mom.  I assumed it would be Dark Flash, but it seems to have been a random encounter?  Did the intruder only enter Barry's house because Henry left?  Did they simply enter a different house when Henry didn't leave?

I thought the opening scene was *bizarre* - I really don't understand what was supposed to be happening.  First off, that scenario was tailor-made for Barry.  I don't know why Alfred would've called Diana first.  Superman could've saved the building, but Diana couldn't have saved any of those children.  And having a bunch of babies falling out of a building was sorta insane to me.  I understand that they did it to show Barry's incredible speed and his quick thinking, but how was that the idea they went with?  And as much fun as it was to have Batman flying around in his blue suit (and it was super fun), I don't really understand what Batman was doing in there in the first place.  Barry could've done everything himself.

If it was me, I would've re-written most of that.  I'd give Barry a problem that only he could solve (being two places at once, essentially), and I would've had Batman fight Deathstroke or something.  Bring back a villain we'll *NEVER* see again, basically give Affleck a portion of his solo movie, and showcase Barry's powers.  Don't give us a nameless villain (Falcone's son?) and a meaningless chase.

Also did Affleck seem off as Bruce?  I don't know if he looked overly thin, but he looked off to me (both when he was in the suit and when he wasn't) and his voice seemed weird when he was just Bruce.  I know Affleck's been fighting demons, but I wasn't sure if that was why.

And I suppose Zack Snyder's Justice League isn't canon?  Because Barry went back in time for that, and everything was fine.

The cameo barrage was fun, but I felt like they really held back on it.  The only one that was really "fun" was the Nicholas Cage Superman (and that was very fun).  The rest were deepfakes or just archival videos.  Where was Bale Batman (or Joseph Gordon-Levitt Batman) fighting a Nolanverse Riddler or Penguin?  Where was Ryan Reynolds fighting Mark Strong's Sinestro?  Bring back Shaq as Steel!  Bring back Brendan Routh!  Bring back Tom Welling! 

I was also disappointed because we essentially had this same scene on Titans, and I think Titans did a better job with it.  But the Cage cameo was worth the price of admission.

Now the ending.  For an ending that was re-shot specifically after Gunn took over, I'm a bit baffled by it.  I assume I know the answer to this....Barry left the DCEU universe and ended up in this alternate DCEU universe with Clooney as Batman.  Aquaman 2 can take place either in this alternate universe or the original one - since Barry won't appear in that (I assume), then it doesn't really matter which.  And since Barry won't return at all, I assume, we're either going to get a brand new Flash in a brand new universe or we're going to get Ezra Miller as a new version of Barry.  Either way, the DCEU universe is gone and this new universe will either end right here or with Aquaman 2 (Blue Beetle pending)?

Which is baffling to me.  What's the point of a story like this if *that* is how the story ends?  The story has a nice emotional ending, but I'm shocked they didn't do some kind of post-credit scene where they show one of those colored globes being generated and have a new Superman pod landing.  "Superman will return in Superman: Legacy" some black text says.

Because, if anything, the DC landscape makes less sense after Flash than it did before.  We have a DCEU universe (with no Barry because he left), we have this new hybrid universe with DCEU Barry and George Clooney, and we have whatever Gunn is working on.  And it's either going to be left completely unspoken or they're going to have to shoehorn in an explanation. 

The weirdest thing about it to me is that Cyborg is referenced but doesn't appear.  Affleck appears.  Irons appears.  Gadot appears.  Cavill appears...sort of.  Mamoa appears.  That's the entire Justice League minus Cyborg.  I know Ray Fisher was fighting with WB, but didn't he return to film stuff for Zach Snyder's Justice League?

It was fun to see Keaton again (that's basically why I went to see it).  He was good.  Sorta like in No Way Home, I wish we'd spent more time with him to fill in some gaps.  We get to see the Joker laugh bag from Batman 89 and we get the Batmobile, but that's basically it.  Did he quit being Batman because he cleaned up Gotham?  Did something else happen?  Did he just retire?  Did he ever have a Bat-Family?

But it is weird that they did this Flashpoint story and didn't just go with the actual story.  I assume they would've if the Flash movie had been made as originally planned.  That's why they had Jeffrey Dean Morgan play Thomas Wayne instead of just some extra.  Batman being Thomas Wayne makes a lot more sense thematically.  But I can see why they went with Keaton, who is a better draw and probably better for story.

All in all, I think it was a solid movie.  A lot of fun.  Good performances.  As a movie in a vacuum, I think I liked a lot of it.  As a part of the DCEU or the DCU, it is a bit maddening, but I assume there's going to be a lot of that until Superman Legacy comes out.

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Well, the actors playing Lana, Kyle, Sarah, John Henry, and Chrissy have all been axed as regulars as well.  So maybe we're going to spend a season in Kandor!

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I read that the actor that plays General Lane has already been told he's not coming back.  If the budget cuts are severe enough, I don't know if it really benefits the show to come back.  I'd almost rather bring it back for a "special event" - a small handful of episodes that would finish the story.  Maybe the "Superman" effects are really easy to do now for cheap, but the show has been really good in terms of making Superman look and feel real.  If they're going to scale that back that it looks cheap, I'd almost rather it not come back at all.

Maybe they can do 10 episodes that still look good.  I hope so.

If not, here's how I'd pitch it in the writers room:

IDEA ONE - Kandor.  I'd bring the whole family (no Lana, no Lana's family, no other cast) into the bottle city of Kandor.  I don't know if it'd be cheaper to film on an alien-looking set, but Clark wouldn't have any powers and they could explore some of Clark's Krypton side.  Let them out in the finale to wrap up the Smallville storylines, but you'd reduce the cast and take superpowers out of it.

IDEA TWO - Clark is permanently depowered.  Maybe use gold kryptonite.  Maybe use Mister Mxyzptlk.  Make something up.  Doesn't really matter.  Take away his powers (and I guess Jordan loses his powers too) and essentially make this Clark's retirement story.  Jordan has to deal with the fact that he's back to being a normal teenager again (and maybe Jonthan enjoys it a little too much) and Clark has to deal with the fact that he's not Superman anymore.  You could have the main villain of the story be just the concept of aging and not beiing able to do what you used to do.  Maybe the town struggles and Clark has to watch Smallville slowly weaken away too.  Maybe there's a bully in town and Clark can no longer defend himself or his family the way he once did.  Maybe they can save up some budget for a big finale where Clark finds a way to return his powers and uses it on Jordan so he can be the next Superman.  Or maybe they both get their powers back and Jordan gets to be Superboy.  Either way, it would just be a normal family drama for most of the season so that should save most of the CGI budget.

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Superman & Lois has been renewed for a ten-episode season four.

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RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

feels like the right will unite behind him and it will just help him politically.  people waved on him after the jan 6 mess but feels like they will come home now, if only to stand against what they don't like.

I've been wrong a lot about the right and Trump, and maybe you're right.  But you're seeing a lot of people on the right (senators, congressmen) say "we like Trump but this guy can't win" - he lost to Biden already with no indictments.  And while this might strengthen him with Republicans, this has to lose him even more independents.

Don't get me wrong - Biden is vulnerable.  But I cannot imagine anyone but hardcore Republicans voting for Trump over him.

Again, I've been wrong.  A lot.

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Okay so he's been indicted.  I think this one is significantly bigger than the New York one, which seems much more politically motivated.  This one still technically could be, but even Republicans see this one as a bigger deal.

I still wonder if Trump will be able to push the trial beyond (well beyond?) election day.  It would be something if Trump was the nominee and having to report to his trial for breaking the espionage act.  I still don't know how this will play politically - the New York indictment consolidated his support but this one has to hurt him, right?

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If Trump gets indicted for the documents case, as is being rumored to be imminent, how long would it take for it to go to trial?  Would it be before or after the election?

Same question but with the possible indictment in Georgia, rumored to be in August.

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And I think it was annoying they couldn't get Carlos Valdes back.  I get that actors get busy and I'm sure traveling around the country to shoot a scene isn't fun, but that should've been a priority (just like it was a major priority to get Michael Rosenbaum back for Smallville).  Cisco was a major player in the series and arguably its most beloved character.  The show clearly dipped when he left.  An even if he'd shown up on a video chat, that would've been better than literally nothing.  Unless there's something behind the scenes that no one has talked about, Valdes was happy to come back.  If he couldn't make it back for the finale, plan something earlier.  The finale was four episodes long so I assume they filmed for four weeks.

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I'm way behind the curve, but I watched Severance through a free trial of Apple+.

Really interesting show.  I'm glad there's a season two because there are TONS of unanswered questions after season one.  But it's probably one of the most intriguing shows I've seen.

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I assume Wallace understands that he may have screwed things up.  I think either he was caught off guard by the end of the Arrowverse or found himself unable to do anything about it.  Again, it's not his responsibility to close up the entire Arrowverse, but I wish he would've said those things if that was the case.  "Look, all I could do was wrap up Barry's story" plays differently than "I would've done X and Y but I only had 13 episode and I needed to use all 13 of those to finish Barry's story."

Because as we all saw, Wallace wasted so many of those episodes.

It's probably unfair to judge him based on the fact that season 9 was the last season of the Arrowverse.  If, say, Batwoman had been the last season of the Arrowverse, it probably wouldn't have been able to do much better.  Legends was probably the most equipped for many reasons.

But I still think Wallace could've done a much better job.

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So at the end of the latest episode, Kyle comes to the farm to confront Clark, and Clark ends up having to reveal his identity so he can woosh off and save the day.

...has that really never happened to him?  I would imagine it would happen all the time with other parents at school, commitments at work, or other situations where Clark is one on one with someone who refuses to leave.  I would think Clark would be more prepared for that because I would think most people wouldn't take "we have to deal with this later" as an excuse.

I would think Clark would be able to superspeed and "vulcan neck pinch" someone or something.

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pilight wrote:

He could request an advisory opinion, but it's no guarantee of what will happen if/when they hear full arguments

So I wonder if, like Republicans have done with abortion, Democrats could sponsor some kind of challenge on the debt ceiling with the idea that it's unconstitutional under the 14th amendment, get it all the way to the Supreme Court, and get their answer.

Although whatever works for Biden would work for a Republican president and maybe the Democrats want the ability to use the debt ceiling as a weapon as well.

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Is there any way for Biden to test the 14th amendment theory without actually forcing it into the courts?  Can he just ask for a ruling without an actual case?

Or would there need to be some kind of "for show" lawsuit against the debt ceiling agreement to test its constitutionality?  I feel like there should be some way to determine the constitutionality of a president ignoring the debt ceiling.  We shouldn't let the global economy rest on the hands of such a hyper-partisan argument.

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I haven't voted for a single Republican since 2016, and I have voted in basically every election (local, state, national) since 2018.  I was wrong about the Republican Party in 2016 - I thought they'd use Trump and dump him when he became politically damaging (and go with a safer puppet in Pence), but despite losing election after election, they still haven't done that.  And with the rise of politicians like MTG and Kari Lake and the conversion of guys like Ted Cruz from "mostly annoying" to "very dangerous", I agree that it doesn't make sense to vote for any Republicans.

That being said, I think it's alarmist to think that the Republicans can eliminate democracy.  First, we already survived four years of Trump.  Trump definitely tried to overthrow democracy, but he didn't succeed and didn't get all that close to succeeding.  There's a subset of people that believe the election was stolen, but outside of January 6 (which wasn't nearly as violent as it could've been), no one believes it enough to do much about it.  Second, I think a lot of the people that believe 2020 was "stolen" aren't really talking about switching votes or the dead voting or anything like that.  They're talking about Covid-specific policies that may or may not have been unconstitutional that led to increased turnout for Democrats.  I think the majority of people that don't consider 2020 to be legit (and hopefully this is crystal clear but that's *not me*) think Biden got the votes but that some of the votes should've been thrown out because certain states expanded voting rights too much (and they believe illegally).  That it's more procedural issues than actual fraud.  Which is why they're more annoyed than angry.  They'll tweet about it but won't protest it.

Think about the alternative.  If Trump did get Georgia to find him enough votes to win or if the Cyber Ninjas found a way for Trump to win Arizona and Pennsylvania flipped somehow...there would be nonstop protests and civil unrest.  It would've been chaos. 

I do think Trump would try crazy things to stay in power, but I don't think anywhere near the majority of the country would support that.  I worry more that Trump would destabilize the world than destabilize democracy.

And as I've been saying, neither side can get any legislation passed.  Even if the Republicans got a filibuster-proof number of senators (or got rid of the filibuster), I think they don't really know what they want to do with it.  They couldn't overturn Obamacare.  They couldn't even figure out what they wanted to do with Healthcare.  They've done a ton of damage in terms of abortion, but even then, they can't really agree on what they want to do with it.  Several very-red states have struggled to pass full abortion bans, and some of the abortion bans they have passed have backfired on them electorally.

The Republican Party is bad, and I cannot support them until they cleanse themselves of this nonsense.  I fear what they can do with power.  But look at my state of Texas - they just overwhelmingly voted to impeach our super corrupt (and super MAGA) attorney general.  Maybe he'll survive a trial (his wife is one of the state senators who will vote on his removal), but it shows that, even at the state level in a state like Texas, they don't bend to the will of Trump on everything.  Trump was against it, and a vast majority of republicans still voted against it.  Cruz was against it.  MTG was against it.  They did it anyway.

I think the tide is starting to turn, but we still need to stay vigilant.  And I think we need to keep an even keel.

*The opinions of Slider_Quinn21 do not represent the opinions of anyone at sliders.tv or anyone else here.

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I mean if there's an opening for someone else to win the Republican nomination, I'm happy for that.  But who would that even be and how would that even happen?  Nikki Haley might not be terrible?  Tim Scott?  Mike Pence?  There aren't a whole lot of options.

Trump and DeSantis are both bad, but one is actively working against the interests of the West.  Trump could destabilize NATO.  Trump could crash the economy.  Trump could actively make things around the world worse.  I think DeSantis is bad because he's smarter than Trump (although the more I hear him, the less that could be as true as I thought) and thus could be more effective than Trump.  But I don't think he's compromised, nor do I think he would do something that's bad for the country / the West / the world to suit his own interests.  I think he's much more likely than Trump to actually put America first.

And if the Democrats are going to insist on running out an 82-year-old Biden and an unpopular VP in Harris, this race is scary.  And while I don't want to see a world where DeSantis is president, I don't know if the country can survive another four years of Trump.

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Yeah.  Again, I know what I would've done with the season, either if I wanted to wrap up the Arrowverse or just the Flash.  Maybe my idea wouldn't have worked that well either, but at least it would've been something.  This season wasn't really about anything, even if you look at it the way Wallace does (as a couple different graphic novels).

Wallace talked about how he needed all 13 episodes to properly wrap up Barry's story.  I think he could've easily done everything he did in season 9 in 6 episodes.  The premiere, one episode for the Red Death, the Oliver episode, and three episodes for a finale.  I'd probably do an entire episode getting Eddie from "who is this guy?" to Cobalt Blue, the episode where Barry goes back and deals with Thawne, and the finale.

That's really all they needed.  So Wallace either needed to tell a bigger story (so there's less wasting time) or spent more time on the rest of the Arrowverse.

That all being said, I think the Flash was still an overall success.  It never got great after season one, but it was watchable all the way through.

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So unless the far right wing of the Republican Party can throw a wrench into the works, it sounds like we have a fairly reasonable deal.  The progressive wing of the House isn't going to like it, but the far right wing hates it.  So it must be a pretty good deal for Democrats.

But Biden does deserve blame - they could've passed this a year ago and avoided any of this.  It wasn't necessarily the right thing to do, but it would've been the smart thing to do.  As I said, the Republicans are better at working the system - the Democrats trust the system way too much.  I think if the Democrats were as ruthless as the Republicans are, we'd actually get something done.  The problem is that both parties are so flawed that even when they're given control of both chambers of Congress and the White House, they fumble the ball too much.

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In 2024 news, I'm not sure what to think of the Republican side of things.  Trump seems to have pulled way ahead of Ron DeSantis in polls, which I don't understand at all.  I can see how the New York indictment might look and feel like a political hit, but I heard rumblings that we might get an indictment in the Mar-A-Lago documents case soon and in the Georgia case in August.  Those two cases are both a) less politically motivated (although anything with Trump can be spun as politically motivated) and b) much more likely to land him in big trouble.  I know Trump will keep his base no matter what, but is his base still big enough to carry him through a Republican primary?  Does the Republican Party want a candidate who's on trial for multiple felonies, even if that's who their voters want?

I know DeSantis is potentially much worse, but I'm hoping he gets the nomination.  Not only do I want Trump out of the picture, but Trump would almost certainly sabotage any DeSantis campaign in the general.  I know DeSantis would be worse on a lot of issues (especially LGBT), but I also don't think he's compromised by a foreign government.  And so if we can get the Trumps out of American politics, I think I'd feel better about the long-term security of the country / the world.

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I've struggled with the Flash for a while now.  I think Grant Gustin is really good in the role, and I think the show was really likeable.  The problem I've had, essentially from the beginning, is that Flash in the Arrowverse sorta breaks things.  Barry inside of the Arrow universe should be unstoppable.  What's the point in being a guy with a bow and arrow if there's another guy who can run fast enough to go back in time?  Barry and Oliver could be fighting two different people on two different sides of the planet, and Barry could end both fights before anyone knew what was going on.  Barry could end crime in Central City and Star City and be home for dinner.

And, yet, to keep Oliver relevant, they had to straddle this line where Barry is super fast but can still lose to the right guy.  They even had Barry lose to Oliver (on his own show no less!) in the first fight between the two.  Which is fine.  Batman has been a top 3 guy in DC despite having no powers.  Maybe being rich and a good fighter is on the same level as being a speedster.

On Barry's show, they dealt with this in two ways.  One, in the spirit of Smallville, having Barry fight a constant line of metahumans that can give Barry trouble.  And two, having Barry fight someone who is just as fast (OR FASTER!) than him.  First Eobard Thawne, then Zoom, then Savitar.

But the problem with that is that if you have a super fast guy fighting a super fast guy, it just looks like a regular fight.  So what ends up happening is some sort of race.  The two speedsters chase each other until the fight is just over.  We see this dozens of times in dozens of fights.  And to be honest, I just sorta tune out in the third act of a lot of Flash episodes.  The fights, at least to me, have never been visually interesting.  It's simply the end of an episode that has to happen.

After Savitar, the show tried to change things up.  But it never quite worked.  I think the most interesting thing to do with Barry is take away his speed - make him a normal guy still trying to be a hero.  The show played with this a few times but never really committed to the idea.  It's a show about a fast guy, even if that fact is both the show's greatest strength and its greatest weakness.

The show quickly got stale and never really recovered.  While Arrow experimented with different things (magic! alternate worlds!), the Flash never felt comfortable enough to change what it considered its bread and butter.  It was always pretty good but it rarely became great.

Then, it was forced to play its biggest hand (the one it had been toying with from day one) too early.  Barry is able to escape his fate in the form of Crisis...and then the show just kept going.  Barry's greatest fight was already over but the show just kept going.  Cisco left.  They kept giving Danielle Panabaker and Tom Cavanaugh different wigs and accents to play around with.  We met Barry's future kids.  It wasn't from a complete lack of trying but nothing really worked.

As we've already talked about, this season has felt like a waste of time.  Now the solo show in the Arrowverse, the Flash had a chance to be really unique.  Maybe it could be a conclusion to the whole Arrowverse!  Maybe it could use its time to wrap up both Legends and Batwoman, two shows cut down unfairly.  But despite talking a big game about the possibilities, the showrunner said, since they only had 13 episodes, they had to focus on Barry's journey.

Which, as I've said, is fair.  It's the Flash.  Not Arrowverse: the miniseries.

But how do you finish Barry's journey?  What does the end of the Flash, not the Arrowverse, look like?  To me, I think it should have been the story of Barry's hero's journey ending.  He became a hero when he was young.  He had fun with it.  He met the love of his life.  He struggled to be married and be a hero because even he can't be two places at once.  And now he's going to be a father.

Maybe it's time to stop putting his life in danger.

As I've mentioned, I think that's what I would've done.  Follow in Oliver's footsteps and start to plan for his own retirement.  Build a team and tarin a successor. 

Instead, the show just sorta ran in place, adding nothing to Barry (outside of the idea, in the premiere no less, that Barry can't just follow a script written by the future).  Not only were we not telling a story about Barry, we weren't even watching Barry a lot of the time.  We were focusing on Barry's supporting cast, which (like Arrow) was now B and C string team members.

This even continued into the finale, where Barry is missing half the time.  It's great that Allegra got a suit and Cecile got a codename.  It's great the Chester found love.  It's great that Dreamer was able to conquer something, even if it never came up during her own show.  It's great that Becky, a character I didn't remember, was able to have some sort of redemption arc.

But wasn't this Barry's story?

Now the finale.  And the problems we faced we continued to face.  We brought back a bunch of speedsters and they all ran around.  It was neat for XS to defeat Savitar.  But the rest of the fights were a bunch of characters fighting other characters they barely ever interacted with.  And Barry gets Eddie, a guy he's barely dealt with this season (after not seeing him for 8 years).  Reverse Flash, a character we have been repeatedly dealing with and is consistently referred to as Barry's greatest foe, gets beaten by Allegra.  I know Barry already defeated Thawne once and for all but still.

And so I was sorta bored the first couple acts.

The rest of the episode was nice.  Barry becomes a father.  Joe and Cecile get engaged (although I thought they were already married?).  No Bart.  No Cisco.  We get Caitlin back, which at least means she wasn't unceremoniously written off off-screen.  And Barry shares his speed with some new heroes.

It's a happy ending.  And it was...fine?  I'm happy that everyone was happy.  I'm glad the universe ends on a happy note.  But I don't know...the Flash was just never able to recreate the magic from season one.  It was great and then just was good the rest of the way.  And good is good.  There's no shame in good.

I will miss the Arrowverse.  I will miss Barry.  But this was a show that probably should've ended two years ago with Crisis.

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Actually, I disagree with you regarding FOX News. FOX News is far right.

I agree with you (and the chart I supplied agrees as well).  The problem I guess is that if Fox News is far right, what the heck is Newsmax or OAN?  Far far right?  It's all a bit silly, but I do think Fox is a step above those other two.

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The problem is that now CNN has a right wing bigot at the helm of its news station and that drives the narrative. So we have Twitter with a right wing bigot billionaire who owns and incompetently runs it, CNN with a right winger in charge, leaving only MSNBC and smaller random local affiliate news as the real news station of choice that spread actual fact. So the facts get largely lost in the overall narrative web of lies.

We need another competing media ecosystem that tells the truth, the entire truth, and nothing but the truth, rather than the manufactured spin on it that the rethuglicans push from their hilltops.

To be fair, MSNBC is slanted to the left.  Not as bad as Fox but it also runs news that appeals to those on the left.  There's more complete charts than this, but this is a good one: https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart

I say this as someone with a journalism degree that watched a lot of this stuff happen in real time.

As the chart shows, it isn't about accuracy.  It's about slant.  Slant can obviously be editorial, but it can also be selection of stories.  If an illegal immigrant were to commit a mass shooting with a gun obtained legally, Fox news and MSNBC would tell the story differently.  Fox News would report that he was an illegal immigrant with a violent past that was allowed into the country.  MSNBC would talk about how stricter gun laws would have prevented the man from getting the gun in the first place.  Both might be accurate, but the choice of which story to tell is the slant.

There are down-the-middle news outlets, but a lot of people (myself included) like reading/watching news that appeals to them.  I find myself reading stories from questionable sources because they imply all the bad things that are about to happen to Trump in his legal troubles.  I usually have to remind myself what source I'm reading.

To me, it's like watching sports.  I don't like listening to national sports media because there isn't enough focus on the teams that I like.  Local sports radio is slanted more towards the teams I watch, but the personalities on those stations are also fans of the team.  So there's a built-in bias both from them and from me.

You can also have an NFL game broadcast where both teams' fans will complain afterward that the announcers were obviously rooting for the other team.  Both sides heard the exact same thing, but they each interpreted it differently because of their inherent biases.  I think this happens with political coverage too - something that might actually be down-the-middle might seem right-wing focused to me because my own biases lean to the left.  Down the middle to me is slightly left. 

Not criticizing.  Just adding to the discourse.

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If I've learned anything in the past six years paying attention to politics, it's that Republicans are really good at understanding and exploiting the rules and that Democrats are far too trusting that the system will be fair or will not be exploited.  I don't think either are very good when they're in control.

One thing that's silly about the government is how inefficient it is.  If there's a discussion on whether or not Biden can use the 14th Amendment to override the debt ceiling, I think the President (or Congress) should be able to immediately bring that in front of the Supreme Court.  There should be no delay or debate.  We should know that now.

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I don't know what to say about that. It's possible that Carlos Valdez was just busy, but Valdez has apparently been wanting off THE FLASH since Season 5.

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Why didn't Valdez drop everything just to show up and say goodbye? I wonder if maybe he felt he and Cisco already said goodbye, I dunno. It's weird. Maybe there'll be an eleventh hour B-roll appearance. Maybe we'll hear him over the phone..

Well, Valdez spoke fondly of the Flash a couple of months ago.  He said he "couldn't imagine a scenario" where Cisco didn't play a role in the finale.  He said he hadn't watched the Flash since he left because he didn't like the idea of his friends having fun without him.  He said it was "heartbreaking" that he wasn't coming back.  If he had an issue with the show, he didn't seem to mention it in the interview.  And maybe he's just being professional and doesn't want to trash anyone.

I just know that Michael Rosenbaum was done with Smallville but came back for the finale.  I do think Cisco's ending was good and maybe there's nothing more to show.  But Cisco might be one of the best characters in all of the Arrowverse, and I'm sad that he won't be coming back.

There's absolutely narrative reasons to bring him back.  And if he couldn't come back for the finale, they should've brought him back for another episode.  I would've watched an entire episode about Cisco.

I would love to know some of the behind the scenes chaos that happened on this season.

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Two things:

Maybe it's a trick, but Cisco isn't returning for the finale.  I don't really buy that they couldn't make the scheduling work.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/the-f … &ei=16

Sounds like Wallace is hoping someone else will wrap up the Arrowverse for him
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fla … OGBliubC3D

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Yeah, I don't want to throw this all on Eric Wallace, but this already feels like a boring spinoff of the Flash with a bunch of characters I struggle to care about.  If they really didn't have Grant Gustin this much, I think they should've done something else entirely with this season.  Having Barry bounce back and forth and be missing for huge stretches is distracting. 

Again, it's their show but there's tons of ways they could've worked around Gustin being gone.  Maybe every episode has an Arrowverse guest star (which would make the Batwoman and Dreamer stuff more consistent).  Team Flash featuring Spartan / Oliver / Dreamer / Cisco / Kara / Black Lightning / Vixen / Wally / Constantine would be fun.  Or maybe focus the entire season on this alternate world where Eddie and Iris are together and have him slowly succumb to the forces of darkness.  And then Barry returns for the final four episodes to reclaim his life.

I don't know.  Not this.

Again, maybe the finale will make it all make sense.

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I watched both Ant-Man and Guardians Vol. 3.  I'll get into some quick spoilers so I'll set up spoiler tags:

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Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania

I thought this movie was...fine?  I thought the Quantum Realm was a bit confusing.  When we first see it, Janet is living by herself in some kind of cave?  Then Kang comes and they work together for a long time.  Then Kang gets his powers back and she gets rid of his power core...then we flash forward to the present.  I know she worked with Bill Murray in some sort of resistance before she was rescued.

But....were there people before Kang got there?  Did Janet not know there were other people and lived by herself because she didn't know any other way?  If so, did she bring the weapons she had (were they Wasp weapons?)

Or was Janet some kind of exile/recluse?

I know this type of story happens all the time where we get dropped into this fantasy universe and we meet all these societies and learn about their conflicts.  But this felt really confusing because I don't understand either side.  Some of the resistance people are basically humans and some are jelly monsters.  Are they both native to the Quantum Realm?  Are some of the humans other people who developed their own Pym particles?  Are Kang's people different?  Or were they created/cloned?

Also what a waste of William Jackson Harper!

I also am struggling to get Kang.  We have spent way more time with Kang than we did with Thanos, but I'm struggling to understand what makes Kang scary.  He's got powerful tech, but I would think the scariest thing about Kang is how much future information he knows.  But is his future info limited?  Because he was surprised a number of times.

But I thought he was good, and the movie wasn't boring.  I just thought it was fine.

Guardians of the Galaxy: Volume 3

I recently found out that James Gunn didn't like some of the character beats in the Avengers movies.  He thought Quill wasn't dumb enough to punch Thanos and risk half the universe (I think that's the weakest moment of Infinity War).  I know that he didn't love Thor being with the Guardians.  I don't know if he was a fan of the alternate Gamora.

So I feel like the story felt hamstrung by some of those ideas.

But I thought it had a lot of heart.  I felt like they probably could've left out Adam Warlock, who I felt wasn't developed much.  I thought the breakup at the end of the movie felt unnatural, but I'm interested to see what (if anything) they do with these characters going forward.  But the Rocket stuff was great, and I found myself to be emotionally invested quite a bit.  Every one of the characters had a nice moment.  I think James Gunn is great, and I'm very excited to see what he does with DC.

I'm shocked none of the Guardians died.

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Well, I think we need to have a conversation in this country about what the debt actually is.  I'm not advocating for unlimited debt or anything, but I think there's a consensus among Americans that the debt is controlled by China or foreign interests.  When that's not the case at all.