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ireactions wrote:

I think this goes back to Slider_Quinn21's point: when a story leaves the audience satisfied with the characters' journeys, then it's alright for the Mystery Box content to be disjointed, contradictory, unresolved, and not even that interesting and often out of focus. The audience will forgive that. Or at least Slider_Quinn21 will. Again, I have not finished LOST, but my sense from Slider_Quinn21 is that even if the Island wasn't ever explained, the character arcs were satisfying.

I think this is a fair statement.

Were all of LOST's answers satisfying?  No.  Were all of them reasonable?  No.  Were some of them, after watching the show multiple times, confusing and/or dumb?  Absolutely.

But mysteries are hard.  You have to come up with a mystery that is interesting enough to keep an audience interested that is a) mysterious enough that the audience won't figure it out and b) simple enough that it's satisfying upon rewatch and c) with enough breadcrumbs that your audience won't quit because you aren't revealing anything.

LOST set up some simple mysteries.  What is up with this island?  What is this monster that keeps killing people?  Who are these "Others" on the Island?

The show couldn't really explain the first one since it was the primary question.  So it solved the question about the Others.  In season one, we knew one Other who died before he could reveal anything (Ethan).  In season two, we met another, but he kept his identity secret.  By the time he revealed who he was, his answers very vague and, well, mysterious.  But by season three, we were spending time with the Others.  By season 5, we basically knew everything we needed to know about them.

The writers knew this was difficult.  That's why they insisted the show end after six seasons - they didn't have enough ways to delay gratification.  You can answer the Others question but you have to open up other mysteries.

As far as what the Island ended up being...to me, it didn't matter.  The answer is still vague to me.  The Island has some sort of cosmic importance, but it's unknown what the Island being destroyed would mean for anyone.  It ends up becoming a McGuffin.  But by that point, the characters were so beloved (to me and others) that it didn't really matter to us.  The Island could've been a cosmic turtle or purgatory or the town from the Village and I wouldn't care.  It didn't magically make those answers more satisfying - it made the mysteries less important to me.

So that's why I understand why people get mad at LOST for the mystery aspect.  But that means that they never bought into the character aspect.  Which, again, is fine, but that means they essentially wasted half of every episode getting to know characters they didn't have any interest in getting to know.

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ireactions wrote:

There's a part where George Clooney's character snarls, "Do I have to explain everything? Can't you just be amazed and move on?"

That is, I feel, quite reflective of Lindeloff's approach to LOST if I understand Slider_Quinn21's summary correctly.

It's funny.  LOST was a huge success primarily because of the mysteries.  WHY IS THERE A POLAR BEAR?  WHO IS THIS FRENCH WOMAN?  WHO ARE THE OTHERS?  ARE THEY DEAD?  WHAT IS THE MONSTER?

And to me, all of that was cool.  I desperately wanted to know who the Others were.  I loved learning about Danielle and other castaways on the Island.  I wanted to know what made it special and whether the world was still out there.

But Lindelof was very clear from the beginning through the structure of the show that this was about people.  It's why he devotes 50% his airtime *every week* to these people.  And not just Jack/Kate/Sawyer/Locke - to each of the main characters.  He didn't just want random nameless people going through something extraordinary (like, for example, The Walking Dead).  He wanted you to know each one of these characters and how they got to be the people they are now.  That when Jack or Boone or even Nikki made a decision, you understood how those decisions were forged.

It was plot-heavy but it was extremely character heavy.  You got to learn mysteries about the people every week, even if the Island plot was Hurley building a golf course on the Island or finding a Dharma van.

So it's so strange to me that people could watch 3 years of flashbacks (the flashbacks stop then and expand into other forms of storytelling) and not think "huh, why are the mysteries so lame?" - if a teacher spends half the class talking about World War II, don't you think you should focus on World War II when you are studying for the test?

With The Leftovers, as I said in my previous response, Lindelof starts fresh.  People all over the world disappear.  But we don't spend time with the President of the United States (like in the Y: The Last Man adaptation or every disaster movie ever) or a scientist trying to figure out what happened.  We spend time with families in a small town that were affected in different ways.  There's no effort to explain what happened any more than explaining a hurricane.  In season two, Lindelof changes the theme song from a dour instrumental to a peppy folksy song called "Let the Mystery Be."

He's not going to explain it.  If that's why you're here, you're free to stay for as long as you want, but you need to love these characters and how they grow and change. 

(Slight spoiler but they do, on some level, dabble in explanations, but it's all dabbling).

I think Lindelof is great with characters and specifically three-dimensional characters that exist in a real world.  I think he's also great at coming up with cool stories.  I think his payoffs are sometimes not as great, but in my opinion, the characters can carry the lamest of explanations.  I'm sold.

I also think Carlton Cuse doesn't get enough credit or blame for LOST.  I think the work he's done after LOST has been hit or miss but mostly strong - I really liked Bates Motel, I thought the Strain was fun, Colony was pretty solid Sci-Fi, and Jack Ryan is...fine?  But I don't think anything he's done as been as solid as The Leftovers or Watchmen.  I can see that Lindelof might've been more about characters and Cuse might've been more about story.

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ConradBennishJr wrote:

Speaking of Lindelof, did you ever see The Leftovers? I started watching season 1 but wasn´t that drawn in by the characters, but I keep hearing a lot of good things about it so I will probably persist with it.

The Leftovers is *incredible*.  While LOST is my favorite show, the Leftovers has to be on my list of the *best* shows.  I think it's incredibly well done and one of the most emotionally-gripping shows I've ever seen.

Now you're right - season one is hit or miss.  I think mostly because the show is so depressing.  I've suffered at times with depression and it was hitting way too close to home at times.  But I think there was enough in season one to get me through - I think Two Boats and a Helicopter is amazing and the end of the episode nearly destroyed me (I think Matt Jamison is a spiritual successor to John Locke). 

Season two is where the show is reborn.  They add a bunch of characters, change the setting, change the theme song (appropriately to a song called "Let the Mystery Be") and moved the story along.  Season three does some really great things, changing the setting again and experimenting with some different story ideas.

And the finale is perfect.  They set something up that works both as an emotional closure and a narrative closure depending on how you interpret it.  And, really, it's all because of LOST that it works.  Lindelof clearly learned from both legitimate mistakes and the artificial mistakes that fans blamed on him.

I think it's just phenomenal.  If I were you, I'd start it over again.  If you get the urge to quit, skip to season two.

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I *love* LOST.  I know that people don't like the ending or whatever, but I think it's great.  I was a hardcore viewer from the very beginning (I read an article about it in the newspaper prior to its premiere) and loved it to the very end.  I watched the finale in a theatre and definitely got emotional at the ending.  I think it has the most well-rounded characters of any TV show ever, and it's my favorite show ever (not the best but my favorite).

Do all the mysteries get wrapped up, and do all the mysteries that get wrapped up feel earned?  Not necessarily.  But really the mysteries of the island stopped mattering to me once I fell in love with the characters.  Finding out what happened to Jack/Kate/Sawyer/etc was much more important to me than finding out why the Island was special.  Lindelof gets a lot of crap for the puzzle box stuff, but I love his work.  If it had all been a dream or the Island was in a snow globe or any of that, I would've been just as happy with the show.

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ireactions wrote:

It also helps that Gough and Millar are running the show and ensuring that scripts never fall below their baseline standard. SMALLVILLE was often a very poorly written show, but that often seemed to be due to Gough and Millar not being very involved in SMALLVILLE and only writing nine scripts out of 152 episodes across their seven seasons. Most of the scripts from Season 2 onward lacked the touch of their rewrites. The nine episodes they did write personally across Seasons 1 - 7 were enjoyable, capable stories.

I'm curious which nine they wrote and if I could tell you anything about the plot of the nine based on Smallville's somewhat-vague way of titling episodes.

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So Trump is running in 2024.  I don't see how this isn't a good thing for Biden (or whoever runs in 2024).  If it's Biden vs Trump, I think people will vote for the same person they voted for in 2020.  I can't imagine anything in the last two years would indicate that people would've changed their votes.

But for Trump's side, he has to beat DeSantis first.  And I think that makes things so much harder.  Trump will either p*ss off a bunch of DeSantis voters (who I assume would stay home rather than vote for Biden) if he wins, or DeSantis beats him.  And if DeSantis beats him, I think there is no chance that all Trump's voters get in line.  I think you'd see record numbers of people write in Trump, or Trump would just keep running.

Because I think there's no chance Trump would accept that he lost a primary.  It'd be like 2020 except he'd just keep running afterwards.  I don't know how that would even work with the Republican Party - they obviously can't have two candidates.  I think the GOP's best bet is to tell DeSantis not to run, but that might make him want to run even more.

Either way, even with Biden being historically unpopular, I don't see how Trump running doesn't significantly help him.

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I understand Welling's decision, but I'm confused by it.  Welling hasn't done a ton since Smallville, and he seems totally okay with that.  I'm sure he made more than enough money from Smallville to support his family and only work when he wants to, and the notoriety to make big paychecks whenever he does choose to work.  Not The Rock big but big for any of us (I think he just signed on to the Supernatural prequel and even though it's on the CW, I'm sure we'd all take whatever he's getting paid).

So was he worried about being typecast?  Was he worried he'd be a laughingstock if he looked silly? 

Because Gough and Millar also said "no flights" - that rule didn't last very long (Clark "flies" in the first season!) and was broken tons of times.  Why was Welling okay breaking "no flights" but not "no tights?"  Even if Superman is the end of the show, they could've included it as an epilogue so we could've seen the full Superman on the show after we all waited ten years.

But I respect it.  We got the chest plate and it works.  Whether we see the whole suit or not, we can visualize it. 

I would say that I wish that we'd gotten it, but Tom Welling and Smallville already made two wishes come true - we got to see Welling and Rosenbaum one last time (maybe the most excited I've been about a TV announcement, at least top 10) and we got Welling to return in Crisis (maybe the most excited I've been about a TV announcement, at least top 10).

So if the guy who made both of those things happen (I assume) wanted things differently than me, that's fine.  We owe him one.

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ireactions wrote:

But a bit of an afterthought epilogue that you didn't really need.

I didn't need it, but I could see how others would.  And I was glad to get ten more episodes with Dexter.  It was a nice ride.

What I liked about the original character is that it was full circle for him.  Dexter starts the series as a loner who uses people to cover up the fact that he's a loner.  He doesn't like people, but he feels like he needs to have friends and a girlfriend to look normal.  To pass as a regular human.  He picks a woman with a violent sexual history because he knows she won't want to be intimate.  He doesn't want that either so he's good with that.

Over the course of the series, he learns to love, appreciates the friends he does have, becomes a father, and genuinely begins to enjoy the life that he thought was artificial. 

To end the series with Dexter isolated from everyone with no one and nothing is a great ending.  He would've loved that level of isolation at the beginning of the series.  Now he hates it.  It's a win (he doesn't go to jail or die) but also a huge loss.  I think it's poetic.

This new ending is poetic but in a different way.  Now Dexter has become complete.  He used to be an animal that works off his bare instincts.  Survive.  Get away with it.  Don't get caught.

In this ending, he allows himself to get caught.  He allows himself to die.  He makes a sacrifice for someone else.  I think it works - in a different way than the original ending - but it works.

ireactions wrote:

Never seen a single episode of DEXTER, but Slider_Quinn21's fascinating thoughts (thank you!) have touched on something: there's what we, the viewers, *want* to happen to and for the characters. And then there's what the natural outcome is for the events and situations and character traits within the story.

This actually makes me think of Breaking Bad.  That's a show where I've decided to have a different headcanon than the actual series.  I like my version better haha

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

It's now FIVE months after this, and I would like my pal ireactions to know that I'm 4/10 of the way through Dexter New Blood.  And I should hopefully be done in the next couple of weeks.

I did it!  Here are some thoughts:

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I liked being back in the world.  Dexter is a really great character - he's funny, he's charming, and he scary.  I had a lot of fun watching him doing his thing for another ten episodes.  There were some genuinely funny moments, and it was a nice story.  It felt like a rebootquel with only minor cameos from anyone else.  But I think that also made the show pretty great.  You (ireactions) could watch this without needing to watch much of the previous stuff.

Was it as good as the first few seasons of the show?  Probably not.  Was it better than the last few?  I think so.  Again, the reason why I was the subject of this experiment is that I actually thought the ending was pretty appropriate and not terrible.  So I never thought the show was unwatchable.  It definitely got dumber, but it was also a victim of the era when it came out.  One of the season's big twists was solved because of the early days of fans coming together online to throw out theories.  And so the whole season rolled by with this twist that most fans already figured out.  Is that the show's fault?  Maybe?  It wasn't a great twist either way.

So what do we have in "New Blood"?  It's a simple little story.  Dexter's son returns and Dexter runs across another serial killer in town with him.  It's all a little convenient, but it works.  Dexter and Harrison are good together, Clancy Brown is a great villain, and the other characters are good.  There's a minor cameo from the original show which was nice, but it tries to be its own thing.  No opening credits, no theme song (except at the very end and over the closing credits each episode).

So does the show have a great ending?  Maybe?  I feel like I need to add another spoiler warning, but I guess I won't.

Dexter dies.  Pretty definitive end.  I don't think Harrison is a good enough character for there to be another season of New Blood, and I don't know if I'd watch it otherwise.  Dexter is a better character than Dexter is a good show.  And without Dexter, I wouldn't watch.

I don't know if Harrison is going to be less f*cked up without Dexter, even if it feels like it at the end of the show.  I think I would've actually preferred a happy ending where Dexter and Harrison do go and work as a vigilante team.  I might've liked to see Batista and Angela chase them down.  But maybe Michael C Hall didn't want that, and I think Dexter dying felt like the ending that most people wanted.

The thing is, Dexter dying is a cop out to me.  Dexter is a monster, but he's also the victim of a monster.  Dexter does enjoy killing, but he does have a code that he abides by.  On some level, Dexter wants to be a good person.  So I think if you consider the Dark Passenger to be an actual character, then Dexter is a victim of it/him/her.  So killing Dexter is killing the Dark Passenger and saving Dexter.  So is Dexter let off the hook now?  Or should he have to live with what he's done?

To me, the perfect ending is to have Dexter captured and face trial.  And I would've always ended the show with a season where Dexter is sorta playing Hannibal Lecter.  Doing one last redeeming action before he dies.

The issues I had:

- Dexter shouldn't have killed Logan.  I'm sure Dexter has killed innocent people before (Doakes is the most obvious example) in the name of self-preservation, but it felt lazy.  If they wanted Harrison to kill Dexter I think there could've been a much less contrived situation.

- The Dark Passenger being Deb instead of Harry wasn't explored nearly enough.  Was he/she/it the same, or something different?  It seemed like she was just a representation of Deb and seemed to be anti-Harry and anti-Code.  So not just a different embodiment of the Dark Passenger.  What was up with that?  I also felt like, for many times during the show, that there was something darker to how Deb was advising him.  But nothing came of it at all.  I might've liked to have a scene with both Dark Passengers.

All in all, I'm glad I watched it.  And I hope people enjoy the ending better than the previous one.  I probably prefer the ending where Dexter is suffering alone after spending years learning to love being around people.  But I can accept that Dexter was a terrible person who deserved to die and died on his own terms.

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Jim_Hall wrote:

I get to it whenever I can, a lot of times I don't feel up for it due to my health. Here's a link for how it's done:
slidecage.com/rewatch

Is everything okay?

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I saw Black Adam.  After hearing bad things from most of my Twitter nerds, I think it actually was pretty fun.  I think the universe still doesn't feel all that connected, but I think it was a fun movie.

Is Black Adam an anti-hero or just a villain traditionally?

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I'll be sad about Stargirl.  It has a fun cast and a good story.

I'm still hoping the Flash will devote some time to being a finale to the Arrowverse.  Or at least Earth One.

ireactions wrote:

I've said it before and I'll say it again: SLIDERS is fundamentally a sitcom and the best reboot is Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo running a hamburger joint specializing in mini hamburgers. Quinn handles the grill and deep fryer. Wade is the cashier. Rembrandt is the cleaner and inventory organizer. Arturo is the manager. They are the staff of Sliders. This is also the plot of SLIDERS REBORN: Part 6: "Regenesis". (No, really, that is the plot.)

You joke (kinda) but I wonder if this premise works in some manner.  I don't think it would work as a literal reboot of Sliders, but I think you could add a parallel Earth angle and this totally works as a show.

Imagine Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt, and Arturo are all unstuck.  Not only that, but the hamburger joint itself is unstuck.  At random times (that Quinn and Arturo can time on a timer), the restaurant itself and the sliders are transported to a different parallel Earth.  Because of whatever science-y nonsense, the restaurant and the Sliders exist on every Earth they travel to, and there are always a Quinn/Wade/Rembrandt/Arturo on every Earth.

So you have a sitcom situation where every episode, the Sliders are working on a hamburger joint on a different Earth.  People know the sliders and there would be doubles of "regulars" that come into the restaurant who would all be wearing alternate versions of their wardrobes.  Jokes would be tailored to whatever Earth they're on.

Most episodes would take place entirely inside the restaurant, but there would be opportunity to have scenes set outside - the sliders would always know when they would need to be back inside the restaurant for the slide.

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ireactions wrote:

Previous vaccinations and boosters have taken me out of action for seven days. This fifth dose took me out for... two days. Does that mean it's not as effective?

It's funny you say that - my mother said the same thing.  While I had a fever, exhaustion, and a little bit of stomach discomfort (wouldn't characterize it as nausea), my mom said she didn't feel anything.  Her cousin lost his sense of taste temporarily.

So she wondered if she got the wrong shot.  I told her that different people have different reactions and not to worry about it.  I don't know if that was the right answer, but she felt better.

I also feel better.  My arm is still a little sore but I feel like I'm on my way back.

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I got my bivalent booster yesterday and MAN, it knocked me on my butt.  I felt worse than I did with the second original shot or the regular booster.  Chills, fever, fluish symptoms.

But still VERY MUCH worth it and VERY grateful to have received it.

pilight wrote:

Her husband died of bone cancer.  He went from healthy to gone very quickly.  She took a couple of years off of work to cope with it all and help her then seven year old daughter do the same.  The book is mostly about that time in her life (roughly 2012-2014).  It's a very uplifting and positive book.  Highly recommended.

Oh wow.  I can add it to the list.  Thank you!

I guess I need to look up what Tembi Locke has been up to.  If she can write an entire book and not mention her career much, she must have been doing some interesting things.

(That may come off as sarcastic but I legitimately don't know and am truly interested)

pilight wrote:

I read it when it came out two years ago.  Sliders is not mentioned in it.

I guess I missed this whole thread when it first came out, but Tembi Locke was the star of a TV show for a year of her life and it wasn't important enough to be mentioned in her memoir?  I'm kinda impressed.

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ireactions wrote:

Four months later, Slider_Quinn21 has yet to review the DEXTER mini-series and tell me what he thinks of it. I think I know what the problem is. I set the price too low. $20 USD was simply not enough. Slider_Quinn21, I now offer you $25 American dollars to watch the DEXTER mini-series and tell us what you thought of it!

It's now FIVE months after this, and I would like my pal ireactions to know that I'm 4/10 of the way through Dexter New Blood.  And I should hopefully be done in the next couple of weeks.

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I saw No Way Home and Dr Strange at midday screenings during the work week.  There were some people but with the ability to choose my own seats, I was able to avoid people and enjoy the experience.

Because of busyness in my life, I didn't see Thor in theaters.  I think I might try and see Black Adam in theaters but I don't know.  I would like to see Black Panther in theaters next month.

I've always had a sort of appreciation for the Halloween franchise having seen every one of the Michael Myers movies.  But I don't think it will make my theater-going cut.

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Is everyone eligible for the new variant-specific booster?  I think because of lack of information, I assumed it was only for high-risk and older people.  Is it available for everyone?

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ireactions wrote:

Yes, but is it canon... ?

My revised philosophy is that everything is canon but some things are more canon than others (TV over comics for example).  So I would think it's canon until something on the show directly overrides it.

But if the show comes back for a season 4, I'd love to see the episode on screen.

Any word on Season 4?

I didn't know that about Brown (very sad) or Chase (very funny).  But I'd love to see them both return.  While Chevy was a bit of a weird fit at times, he was certainly a great foil.  The times that the show let him be a straight-up villain (like in the dungeons and dragons episode) were great.  And one of my favorite scenes (Pierce at the broken ice cream machine) is just Chevy by himself.

They need to get John Oliver back - his star has exploded since the show started, and I think he could be great in a smaller role.

I think Donald Glover and Yvette Nicole Brown need to be in it.  I understand that Glover is busy (so busy that he sometimes doesn't even appear on Atlanta, his own show).  But work around his schedule, pay him whatever he needs to be paid, and film something.  The show is meta enough that they can make it work with whatever amount of time Glover can spare.  Shoehorn him in - make him the post-credits sequence, whatever.  He made it to the table read and he seemed to have a great time so I think he'd make something work.

Same with Yvette Nicole Brown.  I don't know if there's another reason she didn't sign on, but she needs to appear to.  I'm almost of a mind that Chevy Chase needs to return (just so it's complete), but I know that will never happen.

I thought I read that everyone was on board except for Glover and Yvette Nicole Brown, both of who stepped away.  And Chevy, of course.

I'd still make the movie if they can't get Glover or Brown, but I'd hope they'd return in some capacity.  I know Glover is super busy, enough that he can't even appear on his own show all the time (Atlanta), but I'd like Troy to at least make an extended cameo.

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So what's the prevailing thought about how the masks with earloops aren't effective?  I think I've heard that you have to have the ones that go around the back of your head to have the right seal.  I don't know if that's true.

I still use the KN94s that ireactions recommended a while back but that thought has nagged me since I read about it.

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pilight wrote:

Cops have been filled with white supremacists a lot longer than six years.  It just used to be more acceptable to ordinary white folks.

Yeah, I know.  I said it's become clear in the last six years because there's been more uncovering of that (and cops being more open about their stance on that).  It's been a problem since policing began.

I certainly don't think we need more copaganda shows on TV.  The airwaves are overflowing with fairy tales about selfless cops who never do wrong.

See, I don't know if that's true.  We always talk about how representation matters.  We need a black Spider-Man so that little black kids can look up to Miles Morales.  A black Ariel for little black girls to see themselves.  I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be the same for cops except that a black kid can grow up to be a cop and can't grow up to be a mermaid.  We know this stuff works - kids see Jurassic Park and want to be archaeologists.  Kids see the Martian and want to be engineers.  So I think the more Raymond Holts there are on TV, the more gay/black kids will want to grow up and be cops.

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What a disaster.  It would've been so easy for Warner Bros to create their version of the MCU.  Superman/Wonder Woman/Batman would've been so much easier to sell than Iron Man/Thor/Captain America.  But they squandered their time and then rushed it once they knew what they were missing out.  If they could've just done it first (which they easily had the power to do), then they wouldn't have the money issues they have now.

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I don't think defunding the police is the answer, but I don't think Democrats (as a whole) think it's the answer either.  The police need to be reformed, and I think part of that reform is designed to ease some of their burdens.  The most effective argument I've heard/read is to take away the functions that police aren't equipped to handle.  If a mentally ill person is causing a non-violent scene, the police shouldn't show up.  Someone educated in handling that kind of situation should.  That frees up two officers (or more) to do something else that they're more qualified to handle.

And that doesn't even mean "defunding" the police - it just means funding differently.  Maybe it means funding police exactly the same and diverting other funds to handle social work or something like that.

I think certain police are overfunded when they have military equipment that they barely use.  I think certain police are absolutely underfunded and understaffed.  There should be a way for staff and resources to be diverted from departments that have too much to departments that don't have enough.  Maybe young officers in big cities could be paid to move to smaller, rural areas to work for a certain amount of time with the promise of advancement in their career when they've come back (which now just sounds like the plot of "Hot Fuzz" to me).

I don't think "the police" is the issue, but I do think individual officers are.  It's clear in the last 6 years that police are populated by a lot of far-right people that either are white supremacists or at least sympathize with them.  We need to clean up police departments and get people that truly want to protect and serve.  I think getting the right people is crucial.

But TF is right. People don't want to do the job anymore.  If you do the right thing, you still might be hated because of your peers.  It's a thankless job for some.  Every time there's a white cop shooting a black man in a mostly-black neighborhood, you see police *begging* more black people to apply.  Not only so that racist white guys don't have to patrol mostly-black neighborhoods but also because studies constantly show that peoples' attitudes change when they interact with people that are different.  More black officers will lead to less racist white officers.  But when you stress "all police are bad", no one wants to do the job.

It's part of the reason it would've made me uncomfortable if Brooklyn Nine-Nine had switched to a post office (and why I was a little uncomfortable about how many people left the force by the end of the show).  We need positive role models on TV so that people might look up to them.  Of course, I don't know if 20 years of Law and Order shows has led to an increase in recruitment so maybe that doesn't matter.

At the end of the day, I think the answer is more money to police (which, to be fair, is what Biden has said).  Higher salaries would bring in more people.  More money would pay for psychological training and testing.  And I think it could help create/establish programs where money is efficiently used across states so that the departments that need money get it.

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ireactions wrote:

"Sympathy for the Devil". Holy S-word, this book is amazing. Drop whatever you're doing and go buy and read or listen to this incredible ORVILLE story right now. It's stirring, powerful, disturbing and highly relevant to our world. It's too bad they couldn't film this story for Season 3. This was Seth MacFarlane doing the ORVILLE version of SCHINDLER'S LIST. I accept it as canonical and as Episode 8-B of Season 3.

I took a road trip with the family over the weekend, and I bought this as an audiobook to listen to during the long drive.  I know MacFarlane referred to it as an experimental way of storytelling, and I'm not 100% sure it would've been well-received by the audience the way it's written as a book...but I agree.  What a cool, unique story.  Really well done - really effective. 

I wish they'd been able to film this - I think it could've been one of their best episodes in an already-strong season.

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It takes almost 8 chapters to see anyone in the main cast and I think another full chapter before we have any idea how any of this relates to anything.  Is it time-travel?  Is it past lives?  I did think that maybe it was the "holodeck" but that someone in the crew was trying to understand human history?  Around chapter 5 or 6, I started wondering if I had the wrong book, or if the crew was just going to appear at the very end.

I'm glad I waited because, while I felt we were spending too much time on Otto, by the end I knew it was the right call.  We needed to get to know Otto the way we did, and every scene we spent with him was effective.  The whole thing was great.

It was my first audiobook so I half-expected to hear some of the cast in the production.  But I thought Bruce Boxleitner did a great job.

Thanks for the recommendation!

ireactions wrote:

SLIDERS in its original airing was a weird and embarrassing bus crash. 70 per cent of the show seemed to be produced by amateur and volatile high school students rather than serious professionals doing professional work. SLIDERS was managed so poorly by its network that it took two years to complete its first 22 episode run of episodes.

I think this is true.  But at the same time, I think Sliders exists in the public consciousness.  For whatever reason, people (and I don't just mean sci-fi fans) remember the show.  It had enough of a following to get that Kickstart or Die video made.

I still think that if Jerry went out of his way to crusade for the show.  Essentially do all the work, agree to either put some of his own money up (for a chance at more if it's successful), star in and produce the show, maybe see if he and his wife can recruit some celebrity starpower to guest star or co-star in it...I don't see how that couldn't appear as a Peacock original series or something.  There's a lot of room on streaming for passion projects, and I don't even think Sliders needs to be a big-budget show.

But I also have no idea how this stuff works so it's very likely I'm wrong.

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Battlestar Galactica is probably a more suitable model.  The original Battlestar Galactica, like Sliders, was a low rated Sci-Fi show that developed a small but devoted following.  It was successfully rebooted about 25 years after its original run with none of the original cast returning.

I think Battlestar is a great example because of cult status, size of the following, original success, and a "champion" that is willing to fight for the show.  BSG had Richard Hatch, Sliders has Jerry O'Connell.

The differences being that Hatch spent years working diligently to get some sort of BSG revival.  Jerry seems like he's interested, but he's not willing to fully commit the way Hatch did.  At the same time, I think Jerry is a bigger star and could probably get it done easier if he really wanted (I'm just assuming, I have no idea how popular Hatch was or how popular Jerry currently is).

And that's why I've always assumed that if we got anything, it'd be an entirely new cast.  I'm hesitant to say "full reboot" because there's essentially no such thing in a Sliders context.  They could make a "full reboot" of the show with different actors playing Quinn/Wade/Arturo/Rembrandt with all four gender/raceswapped, and they could still have Jerry appear as the original version of Quinn without breaking any rules of the show.  Any new show is a continuation of the old show no matter how they do it.

And if Jerry signs on, he'd be whatever the Sliders version of Tom Zarek is.  Tom Zarek appeared in 23 of 76 episodes, so he was a consistent but not major player.  I think the issue is that Jerry might fight to get the show made, but he'd want to star.  I don't think he'd be willing to do what Hatch did and take a smaller role.  Maybe I'm wrong - but I think the incentive for Jerry to do Sliders again would be as a vehicle for him to star.  Not to be a guy in 23 of 76 episodes.

And that's why I think we're nowhere.  I think if Jerry truly championed a Sliders reboot, between him and his wife, they have enough juice to get that done.  And I think the studio would probably go for it if they could redo the whole thing separate from any other continuity and separate from a cast of people in their 50s and 70s.  But I don't think Jerry wants that badly enough to fight for it.

Or maybe he does and the studio doesn't care.

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I'm starting to feel a little bit of optimism regarding this DOJ stuff.  It sounds like they have a pretty solid case, and it sounds like Trump's own legal defense is a disaster.  At least one of his lawyers might have to drop him as a client because she'll be a witness (or another defendant) in the case.  And from the looks of things, he's having issues finding anyone but extreme loyalists to even work with him.

The DOJ wins 95% of their cases.  They don't tend to bring these cases to trial unless they feel really good about winning.  From talking to a friend who's a defense attorney, he claims that it'll depend on how many MAGA people get on the jury.

That is, if it goes to trial.  Would Garland do it?  Would there actually be riots if he was indicted?  I don't see how it's possible that people would riot when Trump is charged with a crime but not riot when they truly believe an election was stolen? 

Or would the Justice Department be willing to do some sort of plea deal with Trump to avoid the whole circus and spare Trump any jail time?  I don't know.  I can see it being in the best interests of the country if Trump was willing to do some sort of public confession of his many crimes and frauds and scams.  If he officially declared that he lied about the election being stolen, that he colluded with the Russians, that he did have a quid pro quo in Ukraine, that he did incite his followers to storm the Capitol.  That everything he's been accused of is true.

But even then, I think a lot of people would think the Deep State was mind controlling him or that he was lying.  Or that he wouldn't walk it back on OAN the next day and dare them to come after him.

So prosecute him.  Get the national guard ready and send him to jail.  And then campaign on electing a Democrat to the White House so that the next Republican doesn't immediately pardon him.

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Well, that's bad for the show.  I like Elsass and his performance - I thought he had a lot of charisma.  I don't like recasting, but I don't know if Superman & Lois wants to do a show where one of their kids is gone (they'd almost certainly not kill him off).

The whole thing is really weird to me.  The vaccines work.  They don't work in terms of stopping the spread, but that wasn't really the point.  People were dying and the vaccines can prepare your body to fight without the risk of you dying.  Just like the flu shot doesn't keep you from getting the flu - it gives you some protection from that and helps you fight off the virus if you happen to get it.

The problem is that, with the Internet, you can build yourself an echo chamber.  You block opinions you don't like, and suddenly all the opinions you see look like yours.  Over time, "everyone agrees with you" and the opposition is some sort of crazy minority.

I saw this with the Trump raid online.  People saying "most of the country is mad about this" - well, no.  Most of the country probably doesn't really care.  1/3 of people didn't vote in the last election.  1/4 didn't even register.  Of the 2/3 that did vote, at least half of them wouldn't be angry about it.  And of the 1/3 that might, most of them probably don't care enough about Trump to get mad about any kind of persecution.  But if you surround yourself with people that are really mad about it, suddenly it seems like everyone is really mad about it.

With vaccines, you block out people that are celebrating the vaccines, and you start following more people who are against them.  You find people that say the same things you say, and you start to trust them.  So when you hear them say that "healthy young people are dropping dead at sporting events", you trust that even though there's no evidence of that.  And the excuses are at least plausible - the pharmaceutical industry probably has had some immoral scandals so maybe they're covering it up to make money.  Maybe the corrupt media is in on it.  And if you accept the plausible excuses, is it that far to accept the implausible ones about mind control? 

People like feeling apart of something.  Even if it's stupid, even if it's alienating to people you liked before, even if it's making you sad or angry.  Finding people that think like you feels good.

I'm sure Elsass was tricked by something or someone.  He probably genuinely believes what he says, and he probably genuinely wants to keep people from doing what he sees is a mistake.  But hopefully he's discovered that he's wrong, and hopefully he gets help.  And hopefully he gets vaccinated.

Because I think he's a promising actor.  He's charismatic and good looking, and people have gone on to great careers after CW work.

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ireactions wrote:

Hi, regardless of everything Ezra Miller may or may not have done (and obviously did), let's remember that Ezra Miller is non-binary and uses they-them pronouns.

I know that nobody here is transphobic and that these misgenderings are either typos or because Miller's character describes himself as "a good looking Jewish boy" in JUSTICE LEAGUE, meaning many people understandably assume that Miller identifies as male when off camera. Ezra doesn't identify as a man or a woman.

Dang it, I knew that and still messed up.  Edited.

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Geez.  Is there any chance the reshoots were to *end* their character's role in the DCEU?  Even if they release this movie, they can't realistically stick with Ezra as Barry, right?

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ireactions wrote:

The FBI would not raid the home of a previous president unless they had probable cause, a boatload of probable cause.

It's possible Trump was warned, but given his lack of poker face and visible agitation, he seems scared of what the FBI found. The reason Merrick Garland has been criticized in the press and online: the Department of Justice has taken almost no publicly visible action against Trump. This is standard practice to avoid giving the targets of their investigations any warning before they secure warrants and crack open safes.

Yeah, I get it.  I just don't have faith that any of this will go against Trump.  From what I've read (and I'm as far from an expert as possible), the punishment for breaking this law is "up to 3 years in prison" or a fine.  I think the Clinton guy who broke this law most recently got a fine.

If this is all to fine Trump, I'm not sure it's worth it.

Now, all that being said, my limited understanding of this says that if they found something in open sight, even if it was unrelated to the warrant, it can be taken and used against Trump.  I wonder if they could find whatever Trump is using to blackmail certain members of Congress.  Could that be what gets him?

Or if they actually have proof that Trump wasn't just hoarding classified documents but also selling them.  That's the other thing that takes this from "maybe a fine" to jail time.

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I'm really hoping that Trump goes down for what he tried to do.  I don't think he will, and I don't necessarily think it's even in the best interests of the country.  I worry that Trump definitively going to jail opens things up for someone like Cruz or Hawley or (most likely) DeSantis to pick up where he left off.  And I think Trump is less dangerous than all three of those guys.  I think his overt narcissism makes him a little easier to deal with.

But I think there should be consequences.  And I wish that we could purge the Republican party of the Trumpism but I'm just not confident that's going to happen.  Even if there's indisputable proof that Trump is guilty and he goes to jail for the rest of his life, I think a big portion of the country isn't going to believe it.  And even if people did believe it, I don't think it would end the movement, and I don't think the people that helped him (Cruz, Graham, Hawley, etc) would pay for it.  If anyone, Graham seems the most likely to take a fall.

That being said, I just think Trump is too slippery.  I personally think he's very dumb, but I think he's insulated enough and protected enough and I think the justice system is vague enough that he won't go down for anything.  I think he's surrounded himself with enough loyal people that are willing to suffer on his behalf - it seems Mark Meadows would rather get convicted of treason than turn on his former boss.

And the raid on his house I feel will end in nothing.  I just don't believe Trump wouldn't have been tipped off or that Trump would've had anything of any value to Garland anywhere that Garland would look.  Maybe that's just my pessimism showing, but I just don't believe it.  People have tried for decades to get this guy, and he's never paid for anything.

I know it's hard to get a federal warrant.  But even if they were told something, worked as fast as administratively possible to get in, and got in without any leaks, I still think they wouldn't have found anything.

I'm not going to set myself up for disappointment.  At this point, I'm hoping the base turns on Trump in favor of DeSantis and that DeSantis isn't the cult figure that Trump was.  And maybe the people that loved him will become disillusioned with politics and this can end.

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ireactions wrote:

In other news, "Sympathy for the Devil" was to be Episode 9 of ORVILLE (or it is at least meant to take place after Episode 8). Due to budgeting issues, it was released as a novel instead. It's also an audiobook. Please note that you do not have to buy the product off Amazon; I bought my copy from Kobo.

Interesting.,  I knew that the season was supposed to have 11 episodes so I was surprised last week to find that the season was ending with episode 10. 

The notion of canon is complicated to me.  I'm more open to the idea that non-screen items can be canon.  I think Star Wars is a good example.  I would think a character like Doctor Aphra would be canon, even though I don't think she's ever been referenced in any on-screen Star Wars.  But I think that the further you get from the Star Wars movies, the weaker the canon gets.

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So Doctor Aphra's adventures are canon because they exist in this hierarchy.  However, just like Kanan's origin from his own comic was overridden by The Bad Batch (one level up), I think the Mandalorian could completely rewrite and overwrite anything from Doctor Aphra comics.  So it isn't that Doctor Aphra isn't canon.  It just isn't strong canon because it can be easily overwritten.  The same thing happened with Ahsoka and her novel, I believe.

So is Sympathy for the Devil canon?  Sure.  But if there's a season 4 of the Orville that wants to undo or rewrite any portion of that, it can.  And then it's not canon anymore.

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Man, I loved season 3 of the Orville.  It was probably a bit bloated - some of the episodes could've been a bit tighter, but it was so strong.  I think they probably crammed in a little too much suspecting that they didn't have much more leeway.  Especially towards the end, they covered a lot of material and skipped over quite a bit. 

I would think if this was a 7-season show, they probably would've developed the Kaylon weapon over the course of the whole season instead of it sorta showing up all of the sudden.  The collapse of the Moclan alliance would've probably fallen apart over the course of a few episodes and not all in one.  I mean, heck, they glossed over what seemed to be the storyline for the whole season (going into unexplored Krill space) in just a couple of episodes.

But if this is the last season we get, I'm glad they did that.  Even though they covered so much material (and burned through a lot of storylines), I think there's still plenty of stuff they could do.  Kaylon/Union vs Moclus/Krill could still be a multi-season affair.  The Isaac/Finn marriage could have a lot of strong storytelling.  Not to mention the handful of other potential relationships in the crew.

I do wish they would've left some items a little less.  Gordon's time travel episode gutted me, and it was a little annoying that it was wrapped up so easily.  The Kaylon alliance probably shouldn't have been so easy, even with the sacrifice made.  Bortus and Klyden reconciled a bit too easily.

But all in all, I loved it.  I hope it gets renewed, and if it doesn't, I hope MacFarlane tries to go the movie route.

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And it sounds like HBO Max is getting dismantled.  I wonder what that means for Peacemaker (although Gunn says it's fine), Titans, Doom Patrol, Harley Quinn, and other DC shows on the site.

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I think this has more to do with Ezra Miller than most people are saying.  They can't release Batgirl until they release The Flash - otherwise Keaton being in it doesn't make sense, right?

So if they can't release the Flash, they can't release Batgirl.  So they do the tax dodge, write it off, and maybe they see if they can get fans to demand it after the Flash eventually comes out

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I hope they get a way to put a bow on the Arrowverse.  If it just kinda ends, I'd be a little sad.

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I just found that a bit wild.  I think they could've told some interesting stories about the compromises we make in the name of safety.  That the Union disapproves of both cultures, but that they need to overlook that in the name of protecting against the Kaylon.  The Janisi and the Moclans seem like such clean parallels, but I can certainly see that the Moclans are much worse.

But I'm still surprised the Union and the Moclans decided to end their partnership.  I assume if the Orville goes long enough, the Moclans would come back to the Union with news that they've allowed females in their culture to live.

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I think the Orville is a modern version of Trek.  It's a society that is a lot like Roddenberry's vision - free of prejudice and fear and focused toward a better tomorrow.  But unlike the TNG crew, they're flawed and silly and human.

I think it's so much fun.  I do think Strange New Worlds is fantastic, but other than that, I think Orville is better than every other modern Trek show.  And I'm not terribly sure it's close.

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Just a couple episodes ago, the Union was aggressively trying to pursue an alliance with a species that didn't value men.  This week, they kicked out a species that didn't value women.  Is the Moclan's crime that they're actively destroying and hunting females?  I don't want to evoke a former member here, but are those two situations all that different?

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I'm intrigued by this podcast.  I think Welling and Rosenbaum are both really good.  I worry I don't remember nearly enough about Smallville to enjoy it big_smile

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ireactions wrote:

I don't have the best or strongest connection to the Dr. Strange character in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Was he out of character in NO WAY HOME?

I would say so.  If you look at the way he's acting, particularly in the trailers, people immediately noticed that he seemed, for lack of a better word, sinister.  People thought that maybe he was possessed by Mephisto or corrupted in some other way before the movie was released.

Maybe Strange feels like the spell is elementary and doesn't see any chance it causes any issues, but I feel like this is out of character.  Strange's movements always feel pretty deliberate.  He was a surgeon, after all.  So I feel like doing a spell that will alter reality without properly explaining it to Peter beforehand (where Peter would've been able to work through his questions about how it works).  And when the spell goes wrong, Strange doesn't take any responsibility for it.

You could argue that Strange feels bad for Peter, but there's probably a bunch of more reasonable spells that he could've done for Peter.  Strange is acting impulsive and lazy and then lashes out at Peter and his friends.

I think his characterization works better for "Sinister Strange" but I agree that it's hard to really explain many characteristics about Strange outside of what happened in his original movie.  In Ragnarok and the Avengers movies, there isn't much to his character besides "does magic" and "believes he's always right"

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Hahah, that's funny.

I do wonder if we'll see more adaptations of dialogue in A New Hope to match what we know of Rogue One, Obi-Wan, and the prequels.  It probably wouldn't take much to alter Leia's message or Vader's dialogue.

I don't know if they should, but I don't know if it would be any more of a change than any of the other things George has changed.

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I read an interesting note.  As you might know, MoM and NWH were supposed to come out in a different order.  Instead of No Way Home leading into MoM, it was going to be the other way around.  We'd learn about the multiverse first, and then Strange would help Peter.  America Chavez was originally supposed to appear in No Way Home, fresh off her Dr Strange appearance.

However, that's not the only planned difference.  Apparently, Multiverse of Madness was going to end of a different cliffhanger - our Dr Strange was going to be stranded and the "Sinister Strange" was going to be in the main MCU universe in his place.

And suddenly it all makes sense.

- Strange acting so out of character in No Way Home - well, he's an evil "double"
- The out of nowhere ending of Multiverse of Madness - it wasn't supposed to end there and would've had to be quickly rewritten.
- The Sinister Six - there's only five in No Way Home because Strange himself would've been the sixth.

It fixes so many errors and makes things so much more complete.  I liked the movies as is, but this would've been much better for both movies.  The only negative is that we wouldn't trust Strange from the beginning.  I wonder if that reveal could've been held for No Way Home.  Where we think Strange is the same guy, but we only find out after the spell was botched that it wasn't our Strange.

Of course, I don't know how you end MoM without the twist.  So maybe it's better to leave it as is.

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TemporalFlux wrote:
Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

I figured they were making the box something else (whatever Bleed Mandrakk is that Thawne references) as some sort of Season 9 tease.

I haven’t really bern watching any of these since Crisis, but The Bleed is the area between parallel realities (kind of like the area outside of a sliding tunnel on Sliders).  In DC Comics, the Bleed is primarily red, and that’s what created the red skies during Crisis (as reality was collapsing)

Mandrakk would then likely refer to this:

https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Mandrakk_(Dax_Novu)

The Monitors being primarily connected to the multiverse and all areas in between (such as The Bleed).

Given Mandrakk’s connection to the Dark Multiverse, the mention could also relate to the appearance of Red Death that’s been teased on CW’s Flash.

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Bruce_Wayne_(Earth_-52)

I knew you guys wouldn't let me down big_smile

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Ha, I looked pretty hard.  I think you're right that they have a bar and a circle, but maybe it was a rights thing.  I wish they were able to be a bit more direct about it, but I can accept the subtext of it definitely being a Green Lantern ring that he was able to turn down.

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ireactions wrote:

I thought I saw the Green Lantern emblem in the glow of the box that Diggle threw. I thought the point was that Diggle had decided to reject the GL ring because it would take him away from his wife and children.

I rewatched and I don't see the logo.  Either way, if the intention was that it was ring and Diggle just rejected it, that's an okay explanation.  I figured they were making the box something else (whatever Bleed Mandrakk is that Thawne references) as some sort of Season 9 tease.

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TemporalFlux wrote:

Haven’t watched the Flash finale, but I read there was a hint of the villain Cobalt Blue.  That was an awful storyline featuring Barry’s long lost twin brother he never knew existed

It was just a vague reference to the color blue.  I'm sure they could go any direction they want, but I'm assuming it would be Cobalt Blue.

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Well, Trek itself is the reason for some of the undershooting.  Whether it's a flip phone communicator or a PADD / iPad, we've used Trek as an inspiration.

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ireactions wrote:

SUPERMAN AND LOIS is confirmed to not be set in the Arrowverse but a parallel Earth.
https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/superman-l … -revealed/

I was just coming to say that.  It's weird, but I guess the Diggle is an alternate Diggle.  I wondered why they didn't mention anything about the box/ring in his first appearance on Superman & Lois, but it makes sense.  It also makes things so much easier on the show for him to be the only superhero in town.  Just like with Stargirl, it just needs to be separate for them to tell the kinds of stories they want.  If Kara was around (or even Team Flash), then I don't know if the Ally situation is as scary.  It needs to be Clark and his limited friends on their own for it to work.

Superman & Lois has also just never felt like a part of the Arrowverse.  And the timeline doesn't work either.

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I think Flash's finale was...fine?  No spoilers, but I really don't think the "forces" storyline works.  And Thawne feels like less a big bad and more just a nuisance at this point.  I love Cavanaugh and that role, but I'm just tired of it.

The Flash has always had a villain problem.  I don't really have a solution, either.

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ireactions wrote:

I understand why Grizzlor would note all the absurdities of the STAR WARS universe. We all have different thresholds for suspension of disbelief. However, I have to point out: STAR WARS is a fictional universe created in 1971 and released in 1977. OBI-WAN is set in this 1971-1977 derived world.

And this is a funny separation between Star Wars and Star Trek.  Star Trek came out even earlier, but Roddenberry at least tried to think forward in terms of technology.  Some of it was out of necessity (like the transporter), but at least there seems to be an effort made to accommodate advanced technology.  Like Disney, he hilariously undershot, but to be fair, TNG hilariously undershot again decades later.  I'm sure Discovery and Picard and Strange New Worlds and the Orville will hilariously undershoot.

But it doesn't seem like Lucas even tried.  Because you're right, it's just the 70s with spaceships and laser weapons.

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Grizzlor wrote:

How does changing one's first name seemingly fool the galaxy?  Ben Kenobi.  KENOBI!!!!  A famous Jedi, the idiot never thought to change his last name?  LOL

Well, to be fair, I think there's some things you're not really thinking about.

1. I can't imagine that the Jedi are that famous outside of Coruscant.  Han Solo is well traveled and lived during the time of the Jedi during a time when he'd probably be pretty into that kind of stuff, and he's essentially never heard of them.  It's hard to tell if Luke has ever heard of them - he gets really excited when he hears "Rebellion" but doesn't bat an eye when Ben says "Jedi."  Ben has to explain who the Jedi were and what a lightsaber is.  There are Imperial officers on the Death Star that refer to the Force as an "ancient religion"

My guess is that the Jedi were really well known on Coruscant but worked essentially in secret everywhere else.  People might know the Jedi by name as some sort of galactic police force but think they're basically just new age cops who think they have magic powers.

So I'd be shocked if anyone on Tattooine knew who the Jedi were, and they certainly wouldn't know the names of specific Jedi.  We know about Obi-Wan's name and we follow his story, but I don't see how he'd be famous.

2. Tattooine is essentially the middle of nowhere, and it's a place Vader would never go.  As far as I'm aware, at least in Disney canon, he never goes back after Attack of the Clones.  He always sends someone else.  So Obi-Wan could work at the spaceport in Mos Eisley with a big sign saying "Obi-Wan Kenobi, Former Jedi" on it, and Vader would never find him.  Tattooine is a blind spot.

3. Kenobi could be a really common name.  And as ireactions said, the guy is a shell of his former self.  Even if the people of Tattooine knew who the Jedi were and even if they knew who Obi-Wan was, and even if they found out some how, some might not believe it.  It'd be like finding out that Michael Jordan lived down the street from you.  First off, you might not immediately consider that it's the same guy - plenty of guys are named Michael Jordan.  Second, if he weighed 250 pounds and rode around in a wheelchair, you might not think it was him even if you got a good look at his face.

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Okay, I can buy your explanation for Leia's actions.  I'm sold.

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The biggest continuity error I see is with Leia.  I wish that Leia didn't actually meet her hero.  I wish that, perhaps, they'd written in something about Obi-Wan being too fragile to meet Anakin's daughter....and maybe Kumail Nanjiani's character is used as a proxy.  Because just having seen A New Hope, there's no indication from Leia that she's ever met Obi-Wan.  And it's not even in a "Spock isn't allowed to talk about Michael Burnham so he doesn't" kind of way.  She doesn't mention him in a message that is specifically from her to him.  Mentioning his rescue of her wouldn't put either of them in any more danger - they're both already in the maximum amount of danger.

And when he dies, she's stoic.  Again, maybe this Leia just refusing to break her vow that she seems to make, but he's already dead. She seems to promise not to mention him just to keep him safe.  There's no reason for that.  And it would've probably helped Luke for Leia to mention that she knows him too - that he saved her life once.  That he was a great warrior.  She doesn't do any of that, and she's supposed to be very tied in with the Force and how to deal with people.

The dialogue between Obi-Wan and Vader is fine.  It doesn't need fixing, but I think you can interpret that Vader sees any fight between him and Obi-Wan where Vader loses as being Vader still learning.  "Yeah you beat me, but I was still the Learner.  Now I'm the Master" - I could see Vader losing to Obi-Wan on the Death Star, Obi-Wan escaping, and Vader saying the same thing to him when they meet again on Dagobah.  "Okay, last time I really was still a Learner, but I swear this time I'm the Master"

Is it a continuity error that Qui-Gon shows up as a Force Ghost?  Didn't Clone Wars imply that Qui-Gon couldn't materialize except as a voice?  Essentially that he'd only gotten part of the training done, and that Obi-Wan is the first one who could materialize.  I don't know if I buy that - there must be some sort of ability to materialize even if you didn't complete the training while alive - otherwise, I don't know why Anakin showed up at all.

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I assume it's because I have young daughters, but the newest Strange New Worlds made me cry like a baby.  I don't remember being that emotionally attached to a plotline in a long time.

I've also noticed that the comedy in the Orville is all but gone.  I know they're handling heavier topics, but I liked that the Orville felt like a real place with real people.  Real people make jokes, are late to work, tease each other.  I know the Enterprise would be a great place to work full of very nice, hard-working people.  But the Orville (and the Cerritos) feel like real places.  You can be a hard worker and a goofball.  You can crack jokes even when your life is in danger (tons of people use humor to cope).

I agree that MacFarlane doesn't just want to be known for his comedy, and I think the Orville is really good even without it.  But I do miss that part, which separated his show from others.  I've also noticed that shows like Strange New Worlds are adding more humor and more "real people" to their shows.  Ortegas on SNW feels like someone who would fit in on the Orville.

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ireactions wrote:

Question for Slider_Quinn21:

Do you feel the OBI WAN series suffers from Obi Wan having confronted Darth Maul in another TV show already, depriving the OBI WAN show of an important story?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeG215-yu-k

I don't think so.  Ever since we  had our conversation a million years ago about alternate media, I've actually jumped in a bit to this stuff.  I'm reading Star Wars comics, which are canon and fill in blanks.  And while I think there's definitely a hierarchy of canon, I don't love retreading area that was covered in the comics or the TV shows, even if it's for a movie / Disney+ show.  I was a little sad when they redid Kanan's backstory in the Bad Batch and invalidated some of the Kanan comics (even though I haven't read them).

I think the Obi-Wan/Maul fight is perfect.  If there's a season 2 of Obi-Wan, and they wanted to recreate some of that in live action, I think it would be cool.  But I'd want to recreate it exactly.  And I'd probably only want it used in flashbacks (or maybe flashforwards, I guess), not to be the primary arc.  I think it would work great for Obi-Wan, and I wouldn't be angry if they did it.
Again, there's a hierarchy and Obi-Wan trumps Rebels. But it's been done.  I'd let Rebels have it.