I'll be sad about Stargirl. It has a fun cast and a good story.
I'm still hoping the Flash will devote some time to being a finale to the Arrowverse. Or at least Earth One.
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I'll be sad about Stargirl. It has a fun cast and a good story.
I'm still hoping the Flash will devote some time to being a finale to the Arrowverse. Or at least Earth One.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: SLIDERS is fundamentally a sitcom and the best reboot is Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo running a hamburger joint specializing in mini hamburgers. Quinn handles the grill and deep fryer. Wade is the cashier. Rembrandt is the cleaner and inventory organizer. Arturo is the manager. They are the staff of Sliders. This is also the plot of SLIDERS REBORN: Part 6: "Regenesis". (No, really, that is the plot.)
You joke (kinda) but I wonder if this premise works in some manner. I don't think it would work as a literal reboot of Sliders, but I think you could add a parallel Earth angle and this totally works as a show.
Imagine Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt, and Arturo are all unstuck. Not only that, but the hamburger joint itself is unstuck. At random times (that Quinn and Arturo can time on a timer), the restaurant itself and the sliders are transported to a different parallel Earth. Because of whatever science-y nonsense, the restaurant and the Sliders exist on every Earth they travel to, and there are always a Quinn/Wade/Rembrandt/Arturo on every Earth.
So you have a sitcom situation where every episode, the Sliders are working on a hamburger joint on a different Earth. People know the sliders and there would be doubles of "regulars" that come into the restaurant who would all be wearing alternate versions of their wardrobes. Jokes would be tailored to whatever Earth they're on.
Most episodes would take place entirely inside the restaurant, but there would be opportunity to have scenes set outside - the sliders would always know when they would need to be back inside the restaurant for the slide.
Previous vaccinations and boosters have taken me out of action for seven days. This fifth dose took me out for... two days. Does that mean it's not as effective?
It's funny you say that - my mother said the same thing. While I had a fever, exhaustion, and a little bit of stomach discomfort (wouldn't characterize it as nausea), my mom said she didn't feel anything. Her cousin lost his sense of taste temporarily.
So she wondered if she got the wrong shot. I told her that different people have different reactions and not to worry about it. I don't know if that was the right answer, but she felt better.
I also feel better. My arm is still a little sore but I feel like I'm on my way back.
I got my bivalent booster yesterday and MAN, it knocked me on my butt. I felt worse than I did with the second original shot or the regular booster. Chills, fever, fluish symptoms.
But still VERY MUCH worth it and VERY grateful to have received it.
Her husband died of bone cancer. He went from healthy to gone very quickly. She took a couple of years off of work to cope with it all and help her then seven year old daughter do the same. The book is mostly about that time in her life (roughly 2012-2014). It's a very uplifting and positive book. Highly recommended.
Oh wow. I can add it to the list. Thank you!
I guess I need to look up what Tembi Locke has been up to. If she can write an entire book and not mention her career much, she must have been doing some interesting things.
(That may come off as sarcastic but I legitimately don't know and am truly interested)
I read it when it came out two years ago. Sliders is not mentioned in it.
I guess I missed this whole thread when it first came out, but Tembi Locke was the star of a TV show for a year of her life and it wasn't important enough to be mentioned in her memoir? I'm kinda impressed.
Four months later, Slider_Quinn21 has yet to review the DEXTER mini-series and tell me what he thinks of it. I think I know what the problem is. I set the price too low. $20 USD was simply not enough. Slider_Quinn21, I now offer you $25 American dollars to watch the DEXTER mini-series and tell us what you thought of it!
It's now FIVE months after this, and I would like my pal ireactions to know that I'm 4/10 of the way through Dexter New Blood. And I should hopefully be done in the next couple of weeks.
I saw No Way Home and Dr Strange at midday screenings during the work week. There were some people but with the ability to choose my own seats, I was able to avoid people and enjoy the experience.
Because of busyness in my life, I didn't see Thor in theaters. I think I might try and see Black Adam in theaters but I don't know. I would like to see Black Panther in theaters next month.
I've always had a sort of appreciation for the Halloween franchise having seen every one of the Michael Myers movies. But I don't think it will make my theater-going cut.
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Is everyone eligible for the new variant-specific booster? I think because of lack of information, I assumed it was only for high-risk and older people. Is it available for everyone?
Yes, but is it canon... ?
My revised philosophy is that everything is canon but some things are more canon than others (TV over comics for example). So I would think it's canon until something on the show directly overrides it.
But if the show comes back for a season 4, I'd love to see the episode on screen.
Any word on Season 4?
I didn't know that about Brown (very sad) or Chase (very funny). But I'd love to see them both return. While Chevy was a bit of a weird fit at times, he was certainly a great foil. The times that the show let him be a straight-up villain (like in the dungeons and dragons episode) were great. And one of my favorite scenes (Pierce at the broken ice cream machine) is just Chevy by himself.
They need to get John Oliver back - his star has exploded since the show started, and I think he could be great in a smaller role.
I think Donald Glover and Yvette Nicole Brown need to be in it. I understand that Glover is busy (so busy that he sometimes doesn't even appear on Atlanta, his own show). But work around his schedule, pay him whatever he needs to be paid, and film something. The show is meta enough that they can make it work with whatever amount of time Glover can spare. Shoehorn him in - make him the post-credits sequence, whatever. He made it to the table read and he seemed to have a great time so I think he'd make something work.
Same with Yvette Nicole Brown. I don't know if there's another reason she didn't sign on, but she needs to appear to. I'm almost of a mind that Chevy Chase needs to return (just so it's complete), but I know that will never happen.
I thought I read that everyone was on board except for Glover and Yvette Nicole Brown, both of who stepped away. And Chevy, of course.
I'd still make the movie if they can't get Glover or Brown, but I'd hope they'd return in some capacity. I know Glover is super busy, enough that he can't even appear on his own show all the time (Atlanta), but I'd like Troy to at least make an extended cameo.
So what's the prevailing thought about how the masks with earloops aren't effective? I think I've heard that you have to have the ones that go around the back of your head to have the right seal. I don't know if that's true.
I still use the KN94s that ireactions recommended a while back but that thought has nagged me since I read about it.
Cops have been filled with white supremacists a lot longer than six years. It just used to be more acceptable to ordinary white folks.
Yeah, I know. I said it's become clear in the last six years because there's been more uncovering of that (and cops being more open about their stance on that). It's been a problem since policing began.
I certainly don't think we need more copaganda shows on TV. The airwaves are overflowing with fairy tales about selfless cops who never do wrong.
See, I don't know if that's true. We always talk about how representation matters. We need a black Spider-Man so that little black kids can look up to Miles Morales. A black Ariel for little black girls to see themselves. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be the same for cops except that a black kid can grow up to be a cop and can't grow up to be a mermaid. We know this stuff works - kids see Jurassic Park and want to be archaeologists. Kids see the Martian and want to be engineers. So I think the more Raymond Holts there are on TV, the more gay/black kids will want to grow up and be cops.
What a disaster. It would've been so easy for Warner Bros to create their version of the MCU. Superman/Wonder Woman/Batman would've been so much easier to sell than Iron Man/Thor/Captain America. But they squandered their time and then rushed it once they knew what they were missing out. If they could've just done it first (which they easily had the power to do), then they wouldn't have the money issues they have now.
I don't think defunding the police is the answer, but I don't think Democrats (as a whole) think it's the answer either. The police need to be reformed, and I think part of that reform is designed to ease some of their burdens. The most effective argument I've heard/read is to take away the functions that police aren't equipped to handle. If a mentally ill person is causing a non-violent scene, the police shouldn't show up. Someone educated in handling that kind of situation should. That frees up two officers (or more) to do something else that they're more qualified to handle.
And that doesn't even mean "defunding" the police - it just means funding differently. Maybe it means funding police exactly the same and diverting other funds to handle social work or something like that.
I think certain police are overfunded when they have military equipment that they barely use. I think certain police are absolutely underfunded and understaffed. There should be a way for staff and resources to be diverted from departments that have too much to departments that don't have enough. Maybe young officers in big cities could be paid to move to smaller, rural areas to work for a certain amount of time with the promise of advancement in their career when they've come back (which now just sounds like the plot of "Hot Fuzz" to me).
I don't think "the police" is the issue, but I do think individual officers are. It's clear in the last 6 years that police are populated by a lot of far-right people that either are white supremacists or at least sympathize with them. We need to clean up police departments and get people that truly want to protect and serve. I think getting the right people is crucial.
But TF is right. People don't want to do the job anymore. If you do the right thing, you still might be hated because of your peers. It's a thankless job for some. Every time there's a white cop shooting a black man in a mostly-black neighborhood, you see police *begging* more black people to apply. Not only so that racist white guys don't have to patrol mostly-black neighborhoods but also because studies constantly show that peoples' attitudes change when they interact with people that are different. More black officers will lead to less racist white officers. But when you stress "all police are bad", no one wants to do the job.
It's part of the reason it would've made me uncomfortable if Brooklyn Nine-Nine had switched to a post office (and why I was a little uncomfortable about how many people left the force by the end of the show). We need positive role models on TV so that people might look up to them. Of course, I don't know if 20 years of Law and Order shows has led to an increase in recruitment so maybe that doesn't matter.
At the end of the day, I think the answer is more money to police (which, to be fair, is what Biden has said). Higher salaries would bring in more people. More money would pay for psychological training and testing. And I think it could help create/establish programs where money is efficiently used across states so that the departments that need money get it.
"Sympathy for the Devil". Holy S-word, this book is amazing. Drop whatever you're doing and go buy and read or listen to this incredible ORVILLE story right now. It's stirring, powerful, disturbing and highly relevant to our world. It's too bad they couldn't film this story for Season 3. This was Seth MacFarlane doing the ORVILLE version of SCHINDLER'S LIST. I accept it as canonical and as Episode 8-B of Season 3.
I took a road trip with the family over the weekend, and I bought this as an audiobook to listen to during the long drive. I know MacFarlane referred to it as an experimental way of storytelling, and I'm not 100% sure it would've been well-received by the audience the way it's written as a book...but I agree. What a cool, unique story. Really well done - really effective.
I wish they'd been able to film this - I think it could've been one of their best episodes in an already-strong season.
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It takes almost 8 chapters to see anyone in the main cast and I think another full chapter before we have any idea how any of this relates to anything. Is it time-travel? Is it past lives? I did think that maybe it was the "holodeck" but that someone in the crew was trying to understand human history? Around chapter 5 or 6, I started wondering if I had the wrong book, or if the crew was just going to appear at the very end.
I'm glad I waited because, while I felt we were spending too much time on Otto, by the end I knew it was the right call. We needed to get to know Otto the way we did, and every scene we spent with him was effective. The whole thing was great.
It was my first audiobook so I half-expected to hear some of the cast in the production. But I thought Bruce Boxleitner did a great job.
Thanks for the recommendation!
SLIDERS in its original airing was a weird and embarrassing bus crash. 70 per cent of the show seemed to be produced by amateur and volatile high school students rather than serious professionals doing professional work. SLIDERS was managed so poorly by its network that it took two years to complete its first 22 episode run of episodes.
I think this is true. But at the same time, I think Sliders exists in the public consciousness. For whatever reason, people (and I don't just mean sci-fi fans) remember the show. It had enough of a following to get that Kickstart or Die video made.
I still think that if Jerry went out of his way to crusade for the show. Essentially do all the work, agree to either put some of his own money up (for a chance at more if it's successful), star in and produce the show, maybe see if he and his wife can recruit some celebrity starpower to guest star or co-star in it...I don't see how that couldn't appear as a Peacock original series or something. There's a lot of room on streaming for passion projects, and I don't even think Sliders needs to be a big-budget show.
But I also have no idea how this stuff works so it's very likely I'm wrong.
Battlestar Galactica is probably a more suitable model. The original Battlestar Galactica, like Sliders, was a low rated Sci-Fi show that developed a small but devoted following. It was successfully rebooted about 25 years after its original run with none of the original cast returning.
I think Battlestar is a great example because of cult status, size of the following, original success, and a "champion" that is willing to fight for the show. BSG had Richard Hatch, Sliders has Jerry O'Connell.
The differences being that Hatch spent years working diligently to get some sort of BSG revival. Jerry seems like he's interested, but he's not willing to fully commit the way Hatch did. At the same time, I think Jerry is a bigger star and could probably get it done easier if he really wanted (I'm just assuming, I have no idea how popular Hatch was or how popular Jerry currently is).
And that's why I've always assumed that if we got anything, it'd be an entirely new cast. I'm hesitant to say "full reboot" because there's essentially no such thing in a Sliders context. They could make a "full reboot" of the show with different actors playing Quinn/Wade/Arturo/Rembrandt with all four gender/raceswapped, and they could still have Jerry appear as the original version of Quinn without breaking any rules of the show. Any new show is a continuation of the old show no matter how they do it.
And if Jerry signs on, he'd be whatever the Sliders version of Tom Zarek is. Tom Zarek appeared in 23 of 76 episodes, so he was a consistent but not major player. I think the issue is that Jerry might fight to get the show made, but he'd want to star. I don't think he'd be willing to do what Hatch did and take a smaller role. Maybe I'm wrong - but I think the incentive for Jerry to do Sliders again would be as a vehicle for him to star. Not to be a guy in 23 of 76 episodes.
And that's why I think we're nowhere. I think if Jerry truly championed a Sliders reboot, between him and his wife, they have enough juice to get that done. And I think the studio would probably go for it if they could redo the whole thing separate from any other continuity and separate from a cast of people in their 50s and 70s. But I don't think Jerry wants that badly enough to fight for it.
Or maybe he does and the studio doesn't care.
I'm starting to feel a little bit of optimism regarding this DOJ stuff. It sounds like they have a pretty solid case, and it sounds like Trump's own legal defense is a disaster. At least one of his lawyers might have to drop him as a client because she'll be a witness (or another defendant) in the case. And from the looks of things, he's having issues finding anyone but extreme loyalists to even work with him.
The DOJ wins 95% of their cases. They don't tend to bring these cases to trial unless they feel really good about winning. From talking to a friend who's a defense attorney, he claims that it'll depend on how many MAGA people get on the jury.
That is, if it goes to trial. Would Garland do it? Would there actually be riots if he was indicted? I don't see how it's possible that people would riot when Trump is charged with a crime but not riot when they truly believe an election was stolen?
Or would the Justice Department be willing to do some sort of plea deal with Trump to avoid the whole circus and spare Trump any jail time? I don't know. I can see it being in the best interests of the country if Trump was willing to do some sort of public confession of his many crimes and frauds and scams. If he officially declared that he lied about the election being stolen, that he colluded with the Russians, that he did have a quid pro quo in Ukraine, that he did incite his followers to storm the Capitol. That everything he's been accused of is true.
But even then, I think a lot of people would think the Deep State was mind controlling him or that he was lying. Or that he wouldn't walk it back on OAN the next day and dare them to come after him.
So prosecute him. Get the national guard ready and send him to jail. And then campaign on electing a Democrat to the White House so that the next Republican doesn't immediately pardon him.
Well, that's bad for the show. I like Elsass and his performance - I thought he had a lot of charisma. I don't like recasting, but I don't know if Superman & Lois wants to do a show where one of their kids is gone (they'd almost certainly not kill him off).
The whole thing is really weird to me. The vaccines work. They don't work in terms of stopping the spread, but that wasn't really the point. People were dying and the vaccines can prepare your body to fight without the risk of you dying. Just like the flu shot doesn't keep you from getting the flu - it gives you some protection from that and helps you fight off the virus if you happen to get it.
The problem is that, with the Internet, you can build yourself an echo chamber. You block opinions you don't like, and suddenly all the opinions you see look like yours. Over time, "everyone agrees with you" and the opposition is some sort of crazy minority.
I saw this with the Trump raid online. People saying "most of the country is mad about this" - well, no. Most of the country probably doesn't really care. 1/3 of people didn't vote in the last election. 1/4 didn't even register. Of the 2/3 that did vote, at least half of them wouldn't be angry about it. And of the 1/3 that might, most of them probably don't care enough about Trump to get mad about any kind of persecution. But if you surround yourself with people that are really mad about it, suddenly it seems like everyone is really mad about it.
With vaccines, you block out people that are celebrating the vaccines, and you start following more people who are against them. You find people that say the same things you say, and you start to trust them. So when you hear them say that "healthy young people are dropping dead at sporting events", you trust that even though there's no evidence of that. And the excuses are at least plausible - the pharmaceutical industry probably has had some immoral scandals so maybe they're covering it up to make money. Maybe the corrupt media is in on it. And if you accept the plausible excuses, is it that far to accept the implausible ones about mind control?
People like feeling apart of something. Even if it's stupid, even if it's alienating to people you liked before, even if it's making you sad or angry. Finding people that think like you feels good.
I'm sure Elsass was tricked by something or someone. He probably genuinely believes what he says, and he probably genuinely wants to keep people from doing what he sees is a mistake. But hopefully he's discovered that he's wrong, and hopefully he gets help. And hopefully he gets vaccinated.
Because I think he's a promising actor. He's charismatic and good looking, and people have gone on to great careers after CW work.
Hi, regardless of everything Ezra Miller may or may not have done (and obviously did), let's remember that Ezra Miller is non-binary and uses they-them pronouns.
I know that nobody here is transphobic and that these misgenderings are either typos or because Miller's character describes himself as "a good looking Jewish boy" in JUSTICE LEAGUE, meaning many people understandably assume that Miller identifies as male when off camera. Ezra doesn't identify as a man or a woman.
Dang it, I knew that and still messed up. Edited.
Geez. Is there any chance the reshoots were to *end* their character's role in the DCEU? Even if they release this movie, they can't realistically stick with Ezra as Barry, right?
The FBI would not raid the home of a previous president unless they had probable cause, a boatload of probable cause.
It's possible Trump was warned, but given his lack of poker face and visible agitation, he seems scared of what the FBI found. The reason Merrick Garland has been criticized in the press and online: the Department of Justice has taken almost no publicly visible action against Trump. This is standard practice to avoid giving the targets of their investigations any warning before they secure warrants and crack open safes.
Yeah, I get it. I just don't have faith that any of this will go against Trump. From what I've read (and I'm as far from an expert as possible), the punishment for breaking this law is "up to 3 years in prison" or a fine. I think the Clinton guy who broke this law most recently got a fine.
If this is all to fine Trump, I'm not sure it's worth it.
Now, all that being said, my limited understanding of this says that if they found something in open sight, even if it was unrelated to the warrant, it can be taken and used against Trump. I wonder if they could find whatever Trump is using to blackmail certain members of Congress. Could that be what gets him?
Or if they actually have proof that Trump wasn't just hoarding classified documents but also selling them. That's the other thing that takes this from "maybe a fine" to jail time.
I'm really hoping that Trump goes down for what he tried to do. I don't think he will, and I don't necessarily think it's even in the best interests of the country. I worry that Trump definitively going to jail opens things up for someone like Cruz or Hawley or (most likely) DeSantis to pick up where he left off. And I think Trump is less dangerous than all three of those guys. I think his overt narcissism makes him a little easier to deal with.
But I think there should be consequences. And I wish that we could purge the Republican party of the Trumpism but I'm just not confident that's going to happen. Even if there's indisputable proof that Trump is guilty and he goes to jail for the rest of his life, I think a big portion of the country isn't going to believe it. And even if people did believe it, I don't think it would end the movement, and I don't think the people that helped him (Cruz, Graham, Hawley, etc) would pay for it. If anyone, Graham seems the most likely to take a fall.
That being said, I just think Trump is too slippery. I personally think he's very dumb, but I think he's insulated enough and protected enough and I think the justice system is vague enough that he won't go down for anything. I think he's surrounded himself with enough loyal people that are willing to suffer on his behalf - it seems Mark Meadows would rather get convicted of treason than turn on his former boss.
And the raid on his house I feel will end in nothing. I just don't believe Trump wouldn't have been tipped off or that Trump would've had anything of any value to Garland anywhere that Garland would look. Maybe that's just my pessimism showing, but I just don't believe it. People have tried for decades to get this guy, and he's never paid for anything.
I know it's hard to get a federal warrant. But even if they were told something, worked as fast as administratively possible to get in, and got in without any leaks, I still think they wouldn't have found anything.
I'm not going to set myself up for disappointment. At this point, I'm hoping the base turns on Trump in favor of DeSantis and that DeSantis isn't the cult figure that Trump was. And maybe the people that loved him will become disillusioned with politics and this can end.
In other news, "Sympathy for the Devil" was to be Episode 9 of ORVILLE (or it is at least meant to take place after Episode 8). Due to budgeting issues, it was released as a novel instead. It's also an audiobook. Please note that you do not have to buy the product off Amazon; I bought my copy from Kobo.
Interesting., I knew that the season was supposed to have 11 episodes so I was surprised last week to find that the season was ending with episode 10.
The notion of canon is complicated to me. I'm more open to the idea that non-screen items can be canon. I think Star Wars is a good example. I would think a character like Doctor Aphra would be canon, even though I don't think she's ever been referenced in any on-screen Star Wars. But I think that the further you get from the Star Wars movies, the weaker the canon gets.
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So Doctor Aphra's adventures are canon because they exist in this hierarchy. However, just like Kanan's origin from his own comic was overridden by The Bad Batch (one level up), I think the Mandalorian could completely rewrite and overwrite anything from Doctor Aphra comics. So it isn't that Doctor Aphra isn't canon. It just isn't strong canon because it can be easily overwritten. The same thing happened with Ahsoka and her novel, I believe.
So is Sympathy for the Devil canon? Sure. But if there's a season 4 of the Orville that wants to undo or rewrite any portion of that, it can. And then it's not canon anymore.
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Man, I loved season 3 of the Orville. It was probably a bit bloated - some of the episodes could've been a bit tighter, but it was so strong. I think they probably crammed in a little too much suspecting that they didn't have much more leeway. Especially towards the end, they covered a lot of material and skipped over quite a bit.
I would think if this was a 7-season show, they probably would've developed the Kaylon weapon over the course of the whole season instead of it sorta showing up all of the sudden. The collapse of the Moclan alliance would've probably fallen apart over the course of a few episodes and not all in one. I mean, heck, they glossed over what seemed to be the storyline for the whole season (going into unexplored Krill space) in just a couple of episodes.
But if this is the last season we get, I'm glad they did that. Even though they covered so much material (and burned through a lot of storylines), I think there's still plenty of stuff they could do. Kaylon/Union vs Moclus/Krill could still be a multi-season affair. The Isaac/Finn marriage could have a lot of strong storytelling. Not to mention the handful of other potential relationships in the crew.
I do wish they would've left some items a little less. Gordon's time travel episode gutted me, and it was a little annoying that it was wrapped up so easily. The Kaylon alliance probably shouldn't have been so easy, even with the sacrifice made. Bortus and Klyden reconciled a bit too easily.
But all in all, I loved it. I hope it gets renewed, and if it doesn't, I hope MacFarlane tries to go the movie route.
And it sounds like HBO Max is getting dismantled. I wonder what that means for Peacemaker (although Gunn says it's fine), Titans, Doom Patrol, Harley Quinn, and other DC shows on the site.
I think this has more to do with Ezra Miller than most people are saying. They can't release Batgirl until they release The Flash - otherwise Keaton being in it doesn't make sense, right?
So if they can't release the Flash, they can't release Batgirl. So they do the tax dodge, write it off, and maybe they see if they can get fans to demand it after the Flash eventually comes out
I hope they get a way to put a bow on the Arrowverse. If it just kinda ends, I'd be a little sad.
I just found that a bit wild. I think they could've told some interesting stories about the compromises we make in the name of safety. That the Union disapproves of both cultures, but that they need to overlook that in the name of protecting against the Kaylon. The Janisi and the Moclans seem like such clean parallels, but I can certainly see that the Moclans are much worse.
But I'm still surprised the Union and the Moclans decided to end their partnership. I assume if the Orville goes long enough, the Moclans would come back to the Union with news that they've allowed females in their culture to live.
I think the Orville is a modern version of Trek. It's a society that is a lot like Roddenberry's vision - free of prejudice and fear and focused toward a better tomorrow. But unlike the TNG crew, they're flawed and silly and human.
I think it's so much fun. I do think Strange New Worlds is fantastic, but other than that, I think Orville is better than every other modern Trek show. And I'm not terribly sure it's close.
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Just a couple episodes ago, the Union was aggressively trying to pursue an alliance with a species that didn't value men. This week, they kicked out a species that didn't value women. Is the Moclan's crime that they're actively destroying and hunting females? I don't want to evoke a former member here, but are those two situations all that different?
I'm intrigued by this podcast. I think Welling and Rosenbaum are both really good. I worry I don't remember nearly enough about Smallville to enjoy it ![]()
I don't have the best or strongest connection to the Dr. Strange character in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Was he out of character in NO WAY HOME?
I would say so. If you look at the way he's acting, particularly in the trailers, people immediately noticed that he seemed, for lack of a better word, sinister. People thought that maybe he was possessed by Mephisto or corrupted in some other way before the movie was released.
Maybe Strange feels like the spell is elementary and doesn't see any chance it causes any issues, but I feel like this is out of character. Strange's movements always feel pretty deliberate. He was a surgeon, after all. So I feel like doing a spell that will alter reality without properly explaining it to Peter beforehand (where Peter would've been able to work through his questions about how it works). And when the spell goes wrong, Strange doesn't take any responsibility for it.
You could argue that Strange feels bad for Peter, but there's probably a bunch of more reasonable spells that he could've done for Peter. Strange is acting impulsive and lazy and then lashes out at Peter and his friends.
I think his characterization works better for "Sinister Strange" but I agree that it's hard to really explain many characteristics about Strange outside of what happened in his original movie. In Ragnarok and the Avengers movies, there isn't much to his character besides "does magic" and "believes he's always right"
Hahah, that's funny.
I do wonder if we'll see more adaptations of dialogue in A New Hope to match what we know of Rogue One, Obi-Wan, and the prequels. It probably wouldn't take much to alter Leia's message or Vader's dialogue.
I don't know if they should, but I don't know if it would be any more of a change than any of the other things George has changed.
Spoilers from Multiverse of Madness and No Way Home
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I read an interesting note. As you might know, MoM and NWH were supposed to come out in a different order. Instead of No Way Home leading into MoM, it was going to be the other way around. We'd learn about the multiverse first, and then Strange would help Peter. America Chavez was originally supposed to appear in No Way Home, fresh off her Dr Strange appearance.
However, that's not the only planned difference. Apparently, Multiverse of Madness was going to end of a different cliffhanger - our Dr Strange was going to be stranded and the "Sinister Strange" was going to be in the main MCU universe in his place.
And suddenly it all makes sense.
- Strange acting so out of character in No Way Home - well, he's an evil "double"
- The out of nowhere ending of Multiverse of Madness - it wasn't supposed to end there and would've had to be quickly rewritten.
- The Sinister Six - there's only five in No Way Home because Strange himself would've been the sixth.
It fixes so many errors and makes things so much more complete. I liked the movies as is, but this would've been much better for both movies. The only negative is that we wouldn't trust Strange from the beginning. I wonder if that reveal could've been held for No Way Home. Where we think Strange is the same guy, but we only find out after the spell was botched that it wasn't our Strange.
Of course, I don't know how you end MoM without the twist. So maybe it's better to leave it as is.
Slider_Quinn21 wrote:I figured they were making the box something else (whatever Bleed Mandrakk is that Thawne references) as some sort of Season 9 tease.
I haven’t really bern watching any of these since Crisis, but The Bleed is the area between parallel realities (kind of like the area outside of a sliding tunnel on Sliders). In DC Comics, the Bleed is primarily red, and that’s what created the red skies during Crisis (as reality was collapsing)
Mandrakk would then likely refer to this:
https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Mandrakk_(Dax_Novu)
The Monitors being primarily connected to the multiverse and all areas in between (such as The Bleed).
Given Mandrakk’s connection to the Dark Multiverse, the mention could also relate to the appearance of Red Death that’s been teased on CW’s Flash.
I knew you guys wouldn't let me down ![]()
Ha, I looked pretty hard. I think you're right that they have a bar and a circle, but maybe it was a rights thing. I wish they were able to be a bit more direct about it, but I can accept the subtext of it definitely being a Green Lantern ring that he was able to turn down.
I thought I saw the Green Lantern emblem in the glow of the box that Diggle threw. I thought the point was that Diggle had decided to reject the GL ring because it would take him away from his wife and children.
I rewatched and I don't see the logo. Either way, if the intention was that it was ring and Diggle just rejected it, that's an okay explanation. I figured they were making the box something else (whatever Bleed Mandrakk is that Thawne references) as some sort of Season 9 tease.
Haven’t watched the Flash finale, but I read there was a hint of the villain Cobalt Blue. That was an awful storyline featuring Barry’s long lost twin brother he never knew existed
It was just a vague reference to the color blue. I'm sure they could go any direction they want, but I'm assuming it would be Cobalt Blue.
Well, Trek itself is the reason for some of the undershooting. Whether it's a flip phone communicator or a PADD / iPad, we've used Trek as an inspiration.
SUPERMAN AND LOIS is confirmed to not be set in the Arrowverse but a parallel Earth.
https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/superman-l … -revealed/
I was just coming to say that. It's weird, but I guess the Diggle is an alternate Diggle. I wondered why they didn't mention anything about the box/ring in his first appearance on Superman & Lois, but it makes sense. It also makes things so much easier on the show for him to be the only superhero in town. Just like with Stargirl, it just needs to be separate for them to tell the kinds of stories they want. If Kara was around (or even Team Flash), then I don't know if the Ally situation is as scary. It needs to be Clark and his limited friends on their own for it to work.
Superman & Lois has also just never felt like a part of the Arrowverse. And the timeline doesn't work either.
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I think Flash's finale was...fine? No spoilers, but I really don't think the "forces" storyline works. And Thawne feels like less a big bad and more just a nuisance at this point. I love Cavanaugh and that role, but I'm just tired of it.
The Flash has always had a villain problem. I don't really have a solution, either.
I understand why Grizzlor would note all the absurdities of the STAR WARS universe. We all have different thresholds for suspension of disbelief. However, I have to point out: STAR WARS is a fictional universe created in 1971 and released in 1977. OBI-WAN is set in this 1971-1977 derived world.
And this is a funny separation between Star Wars and Star Trek. Star Trek came out even earlier, but Roddenberry at least tried to think forward in terms of technology. Some of it was out of necessity (like the transporter), but at least there seems to be an effort made to accommodate advanced technology. Like Disney, he hilariously undershot, but to be fair, TNG hilariously undershot again decades later. I'm sure Discovery and Picard and Strange New Worlds and the Orville will hilariously undershoot.
But it doesn't seem like Lucas even tried. Because you're right, it's just the 70s with spaceships and laser weapons.
How does changing one's first name seemingly fool the galaxy? Ben Kenobi. KENOBI!!!! A famous Jedi, the idiot never thought to change his last name? LOL
Well, to be fair, I think there's some things you're not really thinking about.
1. I can't imagine that the Jedi are that famous outside of Coruscant. Han Solo is well traveled and lived during the time of the Jedi during a time when he'd probably be pretty into that kind of stuff, and he's essentially never heard of them. It's hard to tell if Luke has ever heard of them - he gets really excited when he hears "Rebellion" but doesn't bat an eye when Ben says "Jedi." Ben has to explain who the Jedi were and what a lightsaber is. There are Imperial officers on the Death Star that refer to the Force as an "ancient religion"
My guess is that the Jedi were really well known on Coruscant but worked essentially in secret everywhere else. People might know the Jedi by name as some sort of galactic police force but think they're basically just new age cops who think they have magic powers.
So I'd be shocked if anyone on Tattooine knew who the Jedi were, and they certainly wouldn't know the names of specific Jedi. We know about Obi-Wan's name and we follow his story, but I don't see how he'd be famous.
2. Tattooine is essentially the middle of nowhere, and it's a place Vader would never go. As far as I'm aware, at least in Disney canon, he never goes back after Attack of the Clones. He always sends someone else. So Obi-Wan could work at the spaceport in Mos Eisley with a big sign saying "Obi-Wan Kenobi, Former Jedi" on it, and Vader would never find him. Tattooine is a blind spot.
3. Kenobi could be a really common name. And as ireactions said, the guy is a shell of his former self. Even if the people of Tattooine knew who the Jedi were and even if they knew who Obi-Wan was, and even if they found out some how, some might not believe it. It'd be like finding out that Michael Jordan lived down the street from you. First off, you might not immediately consider that it's the same guy - plenty of guys are named Michael Jordan. Second, if he weighed 250 pounds and rode around in a wheelchair, you might not think it was him even if you got a good look at his face.
Okay, I can buy your explanation for Leia's actions. I'm sold.
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The biggest continuity error I see is with Leia. I wish that Leia didn't actually meet her hero. I wish that, perhaps, they'd written in something about Obi-Wan being too fragile to meet Anakin's daughter....and maybe Kumail Nanjiani's character is used as a proxy. Because just having seen A New Hope, there's no indication from Leia that she's ever met Obi-Wan. And it's not even in a "Spock isn't allowed to talk about Michael Burnham so he doesn't" kind of way. She doesn't mention him in a message that is specifically from her to him. Mentioning his rescue of her wouldn't put either of them in any more danger - they're both already in the maximum amount of danger.
And when he dies, she's stoic. Again, maybe this Leia just refusing to break her vow that she seems to make, but he's already dead. She seems to promise not to mention him just to keep him safe. There's no reason for that. And it would've probably helped Luke for Leia to mention that she knows him too - that he saved her life once. That he was a great warrior. She doesn't do any of that, and she's supposed to be very tied in with the Force and how to deal with people.
The dialogue between Obi-Wan and Vader is fine. It doesn't need fixing, but I think you can interpret that Vader sees any fight between him and Obi-Wan where Vader loses as being Vader still learning. "Yeah you beat me, but I was still the Learner. Now I'm the Master" - I could see Vader losing to Obi-Wan on the Death Star, Obi-Wan escaping, and Vader saying the same thing to him when they meet again on Dagobah. "Okay, last time I really was still a Learner, but I swear this time I'm the Master"
Is it a continuity error that Qui-Gon shows up as a Force Ghost? Didn't Clone Wars imply that Qui-Gon couldn't materialize except as a voice? Essentially that he'd only gotten part of the training done, and that Obi-Wan is the first one who could materialize. I don't know if I buy that - there must be some sort of ability to materialize even if you didn't complete the training while alive - otherwise, I don't know why Anakin showed up at all.
I assume it's because I have young daughters, but the newest Strange New Worlds made me cry like a baby. I don't remember being that emotionally attached to a plotline in a long time.
I've also noticed that the comedy in the Orville is all but gone. I know they're handling heavier topics, but I liked that the Orville felt like a real place with real people. Real people make jokes, are late to work, tease each other. I know the Enterprise would be a great place to work full of very nice, hard-working people. But the Orville (and the Cerritos) feel like real places. You can be a hard worker and a goofball. You can crack jokes even when your life is in danger (tons of people use humor to cope).
I agree that MacFarlane doesn't just want to be known for his comedy, and I think the Orville is really good even without it. But I do miss that part, which separated his show from others. I've also noticed that shows like Strange New Worlds are adding more humor and more "real people" to their shows. Ortegas on SNW feels like someone who would fit in on the Orville.
Question for Slider_Quinn21:
Do you feel the OBI WAN series suffers from Obi Wan having confronted Darth Maul in another TV show already, depriving the OBI WAN show of an important story?
I don't think so. Ever since we had our conversation a million years ago about alternate media, I've actually jumped in a bit to this stuff. I'm reading Star Wars comics, which are canon and fill in blanks. And while I think there's definitely a hierarchy of canon, I don't love retreading area that was covered in the comics or the TV shows, even if it's for a movie / Disney+ show. I was a little sad when they redid Kanan's backstory in the Bad Batch and invalidated some of the Kanan comics (even though I haven't read them).
I think the Obi-Wan/Maul fight is perfect. If there's a season 2 of Obi-Wan, and they wanted to recreate some of that in live action, I think it would be cool. But I'd want to recreate it exactly. And I'd probably only want it used in flashbacks (or maybe flashforwards, I guess), not to be the primary arc. I think it would work great for Obi-Wan, and I wouldn't be angry if they did it.
Again, there's a hierarchy and Obi-Wan trumps Rebels. But it's been done. I'd let Rebels have it.
Obi-Wan is a huge disappointment. I've seen fan films written better, with better production design.
Oh man, I disagree. I just finished, and I enjoyed it from beginning to end. I have a little trouble putting the pieces together with this show and A New Hope (mostly related to how SPOILER acts in A New Hope, having just seen it).
But I found myself very drawn to the characters. I think Reva is a great character, and I thought the actress did a great job. And I'm interested in seeing more.
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What's interesting about Star Wars vs Star Trek is my view on retreading the past. I was very critical of Trek recently for doing more prequel stuff. I want Trek to be moving forward, but I'm okay with stuff like Obi-Wan.
I think it's because Trek feels real, and I think the technology matters. I can buy that Kirk's Enterprise looks like a 1960s film set, and I can buy that they can travel the stars with tricorders that look less advanced than my phone. And then that a hundred years pass, and they have original recipe iPads. But then another hundred years has to pass for me to buy the "present"
I don't want adjustments. The past is the past.
With Star Wars, it feels timeless. The technology is stagnated so it all just feels vaguely futuristic. And the action typically takes place in rural areas or small towns with little technology. And Star Wars isn't real - so if someone is recast or changed, who cares? They're fairy tales being told by a different person.
I think it's interesting.
I haven't finished the Pilot novel but I will say I found it superior to the Back to the Future novelization (which I did like but didn't find it came close to the movie).
Okay now I'm curious. Are you saying they made changes to the plot or just that the novelization doesn't capture the spirit of the movie?
I loved seeing young Mark Hamill so I'm willing to forgive some of the woodiness. Maybe Luke is finding his inner Vulcan and trying to act bland. I don't know. I know Kathleen Kennedy has talked about fan backlash at recasting Harrison Ford in Solo, and she's said they aren't going to do that anymore. So any hope of recasting Sebastian Stan as Luke (or someone else) is off the table for a while. Luke will be played by Mark Hamill now and as long as that decision is still in place.
I assume we'll eventually get a deepfaked Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher in one of these Disney+ shows. We'll have James Earl Jones deepfake Darth Vader long after he's left this Earth. Star Wars insists on telling stories from the same 60 year period, whether or not actors keep getting older and dying.
The technology will get better. Luke in Boba Fett looks better than Luke in Mandalorian. Leia in Episode IX looks better than Leia in Rogue One. Eventually, we'll get a great Mark Hamill performance long after Mark Hamill is dead.
To me, I don't think too hard about it. I was able to visualize Hayden Christiansen and Ewan McGregor when I watched the Clone Wars. So I can try and visualize Luke acting like a human when I see him as a CGI character.
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I watched A New Hope for the first time in a long time this weekend. It really holds up.
But since I'm also watching Obi-Wan, I was struck by how he acted. Other than using the Jedi Mind Trick, Obi-Wan almost never uses the force. Heck, almost no one uses the Force in the way we think about it now. It's funny how much the Force evolved from what it is in Episode IV.
And I still think the lightsaber fight between Vader and Obi-Wan is just so awkward. Alec Guinness looks so scared and defenseless. I don't know if it needs to look like the refilmed version that a fan did not too long ago, but it would be nice for the fight to not look like two old men hacking at each other. I know that most of the lightsaber fights in the Original Trilogy look like that, but Episode IV is especially bad.
That being said, it's a really great movie with great performances.
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So what are they doing with Diggle? I've generally been an Arrowverse apologist, but the Diggle storyline is really bothering me.
As we all know, they've dropped hints that Diggle might actually be John Stewart, the famous Green Lantern. From his family name to people asking him about his ring, there were seeds planted for a while that Diggle had a greater destiny. Then, in the Arrow finale, Diggle finds a glowing green...something. And it felt like a good end to the character. Whether they're allowed to use Green Lantern on the CW or not, they pretty much said it.
Then Diggle came back - he was essentially the crossover for this year with all the covid restrictions. He bounced around from show to show with his little box...and nothing really happened. He had headaches and claimed to have turned down some sort of great opportunity, and now he wants another shot. It all still pointed to a Green Lantern ring, and they're just delaying until they get some sort of permission.
Then Diggle shows up again, unexpectedly, talking to Thawne. And Thawne helps him open the box with promises of cosmic adventures. And...
...it's something else entirely? And now that arc is over? And now Diggle can teach young people about justice in his own non-Green Lantern spinoff? What is this?
I get that David Ramsey is going to be in some spinoff, and the Green Lantern thing can't be hanging over him forever. But it's pretty annoying to be teased with something for *years* for it to be written off like this. Don't want to make him a Green Lantern? Can't make him a green Lantern?
Fine, whatever. But why not just have him reject it for good, on screen, with the same reasoning. I don't want to leave my family to be an intergalactic cop. Refer him to someone else - bring back Rene or Cisco or Wally. Let them do it. Make it vague if you have to, but don't just swap out the story. Finish it. Otherwise, what's the point?
Well, I've heard speculation that they could somehow just turn The Flash into a Keaton Batman movie. From all accounts, it was already pretty Batman heavy. Maybe you either change the title, downplay the Flash as much as you can (where he's just the instigator to get to the other universe), reshoot the ending, and make it Batman movie? Or maybe you change the title and just make the marketing about the Batman aspects of the movie? I don't know. Maybe that wouldn't work.
The other thought is, from what we've already seen, Miller appears twice in the film - as different versions of Barry. Could you just reshoot one of them and leave Miller as a bad guy?
I don't know. I'm actually fairly excited to see what they do with Keaton, and Keaton is supposed to be a Nick Fury - like character for whatever the future of DC is. I think they have to release this movie.
I wrote up a post about Kamala Khan, but it wouldn't post. In case, it doesn't again, I'll give an abridged version.
Kamala Khan is an important character, but I struggled a bit with parts of her 2014 series. I understand that a large portion of Marvel readers are probably Islamophobic on some level, and they might be less willing to accept Kamala. And to work around that, they have people vouch for her that those readers would respect.
However, what the 2014 series ends up doing is repeating the same thing over and over again: Kamala meets a fan favorite (Wolverine, Captain Marvel, Spider-Man, etc). They work together, Kamala saves the day, and the hero remarks that they've been keeping an eye on her and she's going to be great.
The problem is that, when Kamala meets Wolverine, she hasn't been doing it very long. And she's only done a couple low-profile missions as Ms Marvel. I doubt Wolverine heard anything. It makes more sense for SHIELD to know, and the comic versions of Phil Coulson and Gemma Simmons both claim to be fans of hers. Or for Carol Danvers to hear about her since she's wearing her old costume. But it's a bit odd for Carol to take a couple of hours to do a side mission with Kamala.
I get why they did it. I think it's probably good that they did it. But as someone who already accepted Kamala, I just found it annoying and somewhat unrealistic to have that reinforced over and over again.
Just leave it alone and focus on the future.
If I was the Kevin Feige of Star Trek, this would be my entire mantra. It would be written on every white board in the office, it would be written on my email signature. I would make t-shirts.
I really enjoy Strange New Worlds. But I like it in spite of being set when it's set....not because of it. I don't need another Spock or another Kirk. I don't need a new Uhura. I don't need a new Pike. I get that they found gold in Anson Mount, but I don't need to see more of this time period. We know what happens to most of these characters, and it takes out at least a layer of suspense. I know that the ship won't be destroyed in season 1 of any Star Trek show, but we definitely know the Enterprise won't. They won't kill off the main character in episode 4 of any show, but we know Pike doesn't die here. We know Earth won't be destroyed or the Federation won't be overrun. We know the Klingons and Romulans and Federation will all be friends at some point down the line.
Plus, there's advancements in current technology and special effects. When we see TOS, we can accept that it looks the way it looks because it's "in the past" - it doesn't matter that it's hundreds of years in our future - it's in *their* past. Of course things look better now. But by going back and updating things, am I supposed to believe that Kirk's enterprise always looked this way? That they always had the technology we see on SNW and Discovery? Does the Enterprise-D look different than we thought it did too? It also looks dated now.
To me, the show should always move forward. Especially when there's gaps in our time. Discovery should've been set in the late 25th century. That way, you can explain anything you need to explain with "technology got better"
So I think they never should've messed with the past. If they said there was nuclear war in the 90s, then they should've stuck with that. If they want to time travel to "now" they need to time travel to a world that's been through WWIII. I'm sorry...that's just the case. Unless, of course, you want to do a time travel story that undoes WWIII and just have Cochrane's flight be a last ditch attempt to prevent WWIII. Or maybe Cochrane is going to create some sort of doomsday weapon but creates warp instead.
I don't know. I'm not the Kevin Feige of Star Trek.
Yeah I don't mind a darker tone. I'm just not sure it works for Jean-Luc Picard. His story was always hopeful and bright. And I think you can do dark with the lens of someone like that, but I'd prefer to see something different with him. That's why I think it might be fun to do little sequels to TNG episodes.
Because Picard made a lot of tough calls, but the show tells us that it was the right call. But what does the right call look like 30 years later? If you save a kid from a burning building, it's the right call. But what if that kid ends up becoming a tyrant? Was it still the right call? If you stop a genocide, but then that race ends up building a terrible weapon...were you right to save them?
To be fair, this is essentially the same idea I'd do for a Sliders: the Next Generation. I'd have Quinn leading a group of younger sliders, and they'd occasionally end up on worlds they'd visited before. How did Last Days world change with the introduction of the Bomb? How did Weaker Sex world change now that the Men's Rights movement got a kick in the butt? How did Eggheads world change now that....Quinn isn't there anymore?
That wouldn't be the primary driving force of the show, but in an E214 sequel show, I was going to do something like that. My fun twist was going to be that one of the new sliders was going to get swapped out for his double (in my plan, he was autistic and could create wormholes organically). So instead of trying to find their way home, they'd still be able to slide where they want, but they'd be looking for their lost friend.
I already bought it. I just need to watch it ![]()
I like Picard. I like Seven. I like Q. I really actually like most of the cast of Picard, both in Season One and Season Two. I don't understand why it is what it is, though. I get that they're kinda working through some of the sins of the past - his connection with the Borg and the Romulans and Q. But I wonder if it would've been better as a non-serialized sequel to TNG. Where maybe Picard and Riker go around the galaxy fixing mistakes they made. Picard is close to death and, while everyone keeps talking about how great his life was, he's haunted by some of the things that didn't go right. Or the way he'd planned. Or ended up going south anyway.
You'd need a real TNG fan to work on this (certainly not me) but pick a handful of TNG episodes where Picard makes a difficult choice or gets overruled or things don't go the way he wants...and write sequels to those episodes. Maybe two aliens were at war, and things have gotten worse. Maybe he helped save a leader who's become a tyrant. I don't remember enough minor episodes of TNG that I could come up with any real examples.
But that's kinda what I'd like to see out of Picard. Small stories that are sequels to small stories. What does it mean to make these life or death decisions for decades and then have to live with them?
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But I totally understand not being able to start Strange New Worlds until you've finished what came before it.
Yeah I don't know why there's an obsession with serializing every episode. It might've been harder with Picard, but I think Discovery could've easily done it in seasons 3 and 4. Have an overarching storyline but still do some fun one-off episodes.
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