Renegades and Tim Russ' movie Of Gods and Men were both top notch, and like Continues had some good acting and writing.  I wouldn't admonish ALL fan creations are garbage though.  So does New Voyages/Phase II, which has brought back so many fantastic Trek veteran actors and crew members.  I personally LOVED the return of Walter Koenig and George Takei, who are good actors that rarely got to "act" on TOS. 

As for casting, Info you should give Edward Burns' book Independent Ed a read!  He's the master of indies, and you really get a sense of how difficult putting this stuff together is.  They cast themselves because casting pro actors has too many issues.  Namely, if they get a job, they're out.  If they are SAG-AFTRA, they probably won't do the project for very long.  I would agree though focusing on TOS cast has gotten out of hand, but nowadays only Continues/Phase II are really still doing this. 

Paramount (aka JJ Abrams and co.) don't really care about all of this.  They've rebooted and moved FAR away from the Trek I grew up with.  This is about CBS, and don't forget that until a few years ago CBS had ZERO ownership of Star Trek.  It was always Paramount/Viacom for decades and decades, and they were fine with most anything the fans did.  CBS though is not.  They took ownership IMO in a shitty way, being given the "TV side" for really no good reason, in the Viacom/CBS de-merger.  CBS is starting this new service and a the new Fuller series.  Clearly they are somehow feeling the fan stuff endangers their new property, which frankly is hilarious but whatever.  Network television is garbage, run by legacy idiots who get jobs because of who their daddies are.

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They can donate all they want, but the rub is going to be clear.  If Trump continues to behave in this manner, he'll tick off independent voters, who will shy away from the GOP line.  If he fades badly and there's no chance of victory, Republicans will stay home. 

Even worse, apparently the list of GOP headliners willing to speak in Cleveland is VERY short.  This is really the worst news of all for The Donald.  How can you captivate the public for several days when no one is going to speak???  Having Sarah Palin during prime time is not going to cut it. 

There's over 4 months to go, but John McCain was sunk the moment he looked pretty foolish trying to dictate the Federal response to the 2008 financial crisis.  Obama urged patience, not to mention that he recognized neither of them were yet elected President and allowed GWB to do his job.  That was one moment.  Trump has had several of these in the last couple weeks alone.  He tweets on every major crisis, giving his well thought musings, probably while dropping a deuce.

Well they killed all fan series now.  15 minutes or less. No continuing series? No professional actors? No former Trek actors?  What's the point now?  Dead. 

Info you mentioned fan created stories, but they've never clamped down on the books, it's whatever Simon and Schuster wants to publish.

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Informant wrote:

I refuse to give up hope! Don't take my dreams away from me!

Are you kidding, every employee of a cable news organization, and 90% of comedians are praying for mayhem, and most of them are atheists!  Not gonna happen, to quote Dana Carvey.  Trump's campaign is probably going to be broke by Cleveland anyway, because he won't take the RNC's money.  They refuse to use data modeling, they think his dumb tweets and crazy speeches will propel them home.  No chance.  The last and perhaps only successful "populist" candidate was Andrew Jackson, 200 years ago.  In other words, he needs them, or he'll be bankrupt himself for like the 6th time.

Anything short of a complete withdrawal by The Donald would mean an open revolt at the convention.  Sure the vast majority of actual delegates are still firmly in the RNC's corner, they are not Trumpites.  But to deny him on the grounds that he'll lose, that's a step I can't imagine they have the balls to pull off.  Trump and his supporters and voters would flip out.  He'd spend every minute from then until November telling his voters who to vote against in the fall. 

The GOP created this mess, now they're drowning in it.  They conditioned their voters with 24/7 Fox-fed bombast about how everything that happens in Washington is crooked and corrupt.  That everyone who works as a Federal employee is on the dole and doesn't actually DO anything productive.  The Trumpster has watched this, he's heard this, and he wisely calculated that if I portray myself as the 21st Century Archie Bunker he would ride that wave like he was on easy street.

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The nightmare for the GOP is a clean sweep (House, Senate, White House).  House probably not happening, but this is a blue-heavy Senate map, unlike 2014 or 2018, and losing the Senate is a likelihood.  Especially if Trump drags the ballot down with him, another likelihood.  At which point, refusing to consider "moderate" Judge Garland could be a complete disaster.  Hillary would be able to nominate (should she choose) an overt left-leaning jurist, and the right would be completely powerless to stop her.  A simple majority confirms. 

SQ, she's not picking Sen. Warren as a running mate.  I can't imagine the two of them ever getting along well enough for that.  It's going to be a Tim Kane-type, someone with a strong history in Democratic party politics.  Running mate makes next to no difference in how people vote nowadays, unless you choose a bad one. 

Info, I don't expect surprises.  I think the Republicans are stuck with Trump.  If he backs out now, he'll be looked at as the clown of the century (if not already).  I think he'll eventually tone down the nonsense, and a neutered Trump is really an ineffective and boring Trump.  He'll go out with a whimper, and save whatever brand viability he has left.  The damage this fool has done to his own brand worldwide is simply incredulous.  This is how he earns a living, heck how his immediate family does as well.  His golf course already lost a PGA event ironically to Mexico of all places, as buildings and hotels with his name on it are being quietly boycotted.

He was a great actor, destined for quite a lot, very nice, humble guy too.  Quite a shame.

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Good spotting, I'm sure Tracy did those intentionally.  He loved his easter eggs.

Info is right, they'd better have mullets!!!!

Seriously though, the biggest issue is telling a story that is fresh, which in Star Trek is very difficult.  The Abrams films should have done that, they branched off in such a dramatic way, and yet movie #2 was a pathetic rehash mess.  They've seemed to go full on Marvel in Beyond. 

Personally I don't care what technology they feature or how they interact within the "prime" universe.  A Trek series needs to have strong stories with a message.  That's what captured me when I was an adolescent watching TNG or DS9.

Slider_Quinn21 wrote:
Grizzlor wrote:

3. CBS All Access I think to me sucks.  Why would I PAY for a service for one show?  Really dumb idea.

What's crazy to me is that Star Trek fans have to be pretty close to the top of fans who will ALMOST CERTAINLY pirate the show.

Include me on that.  I'm already PAYING CBS as part of my cable bill, why would I pay them again?  They're out of their minds.

Thoughts....

1. To answer the canon question, this series is "rumored" to follow the original, pre-Orci movie canon.  That means all 10 films and the 5 TV shows, which is music to my ears because I have little affinity for his stories.

2. An anthology series is quite intriguing.  Ironically this is basically what they've been doing with the fan-produced series for years now.  Moreover, this is the new trend.  More and more TV series are doing it, and changing out the casts season after season.  This allows shorter arcs, that can be more focused and fresh.  I like it.

3. CBS All Access I think to me sucks.  Why would I PAY for a service for one show?  Really dumb idea.

4. I'm generally happy to hear about this, because as I said, I'd given up on the franchise.  The movies do nothing for me, and the 2nd one was terrible.

It's an Eric Kripke show, so should be decent.

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I still have the original fan club shirt from 1997, which I got "new" on ebay about 15 years ago.  It's pretty simplistic, but with so many clever, cool designers I'd figure someone would do one. 

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My friends love this Johnny Cupcakes t-shirt designer, but there are others who make stuff in a "retro" fashion.

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Now I loathe Krauthammer, but his op-ed verges on the hilarious.  Of course the "grass roots" or "Tea Party" chose the populist Trump!  NO issues will ever trump (bad pun I know) MONEY!  Abortion, foreign policy, free trade, climate change, whatever.  Throw them all out the window.  When it gets down to it, when you are broke, or struggling, there's nothing more important than money.  Americans work longer hours, get paid shit.  They've fought for decades against health insurers, been taxed to hell, and the like.  The economy greatly benefits the elite wealth class.  Hedge funds not hedge trimmers.  I told friends the MINUTE I saw Trump reference the Carrier plant being moved to Mexico from Indiana, he was going to win as long as he didn't make a complete fool of himself (he's come close several times). 

The Tea Party I always felt was hilarious.  They screamed about Obama, but deep down they are angry about the SAME things liberals are, being crapped on by the wealthy.  Sure the Paul Ryan's have whined that a class war is inappropriate but it's on like Donkey Kong.  Trump's revolution is perhaps just the start.  The days of Wall Street driven imperialism are numbered.  Mitt was their poster boy, and he was roundly rejected by voters.  Again I think Trump's policies are a welcome change, but he himself is not fit for the office.  He's imbalanced, and would be a non-stop source of embarrassment for the nation.  However, the wound he threw salt on was very real.  Economic populism, already rampantly fanned in Europe, Japan, and elsewhere, is here and it's here to stay. 

Which leads me back to the Fox guy.  Republicans took on "conservative" white voters over the years, but they have continued to mistake them for actual conservatives.  Trump knew this.  He saw the opening plain as day.  Sure he was beaten up by Cruz in actual conservative (social and economic) states like Utah or South Dakota or Texas.  But in many a state, like this week in Indiana, Trump flattened Teddy almost entirely on economic populism.  He'll do nothing about it of course, but there is a path there.  Sanders proved it too.  If you take Bernie and Trump supporters, who voted mainly on economics, and combined 75% of them, you win.

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Just wondering, has anyone seen any new designs?  Obviously unlicensed, but still.

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They don't have to unite.  If the Republicans don't bother voting, Trump loses.  I think he loses regardless.  Hillary is not well-liked, but Trump's unfavorable numbers are some of the worst of ALL-TIME!  His support is hardcore, but he appeals very poorly to true independent voters.  When pressed for specifics he dodges the question, and he's surely going to make a fool of himself in debates, news conferences, whatever.

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Jerry co-hosted in 2012, I went to the show, ha ha!  Also hearing Anderson Cooper's name.

Well most of us are remnants from the late 90s Studios-USA and Sci-Fi forums.

Kelsey Grammer is a Sliders fan?  Damn I saw him on Broadway, I could have asked him!

Jim_Hall wrote:

I've been talking to a fan on Twitter who's been in contact with people at Comic Con NY about trying to start something for Sliders in October. Who knows. All we can do is try, because without the fans the show wouldn't exist to begin with.

The most NYCC would do is offer a Sliders reunion panel, although one would have assumed 2015 was the time to do it since JRD was in attendance and Jerry is always in NYC.  One of the issues you have is that SyFy, while they have "rebooted" properties recently, have done fairly well with their slate of original programming lately without needing to reboot something.  Then again, MacGuyver is coming back! 

Look Jerry is not a writer, which is why he went to Tracy to see if he had anything to brainstorm up.  I've said this for years, you need someone fresh to enter the picture with a new concept.  It has to be attached to someone with actual recent clout, like a Carlton Cuse for example, as backup.  That will prove to execs this isn't fan fiction (no offense).  Torme does not appear to be that guy.  He is way out of the picture in Hollyweird these days, and seems far more wrapped up in UFO's.

There's no reason that Tracy couldn't persuade the rights holders to at least order a pilot, should be offer them something interesting pitch wise.  Or they may well decide it makes sense to investigate, and they go to him.  I think the latter is what Jerry was suggesting.  I would concur that having Tracy write the show again probably wouldn't happen.

Wow, stunned at the number of little observations and anecdotes he revealed there!  I suppose he's finally feeling free to talk about it openly.

Jerry - Joe's Apartment
Sabrina - Sports night
John - The Last Crusade
Cleavant - Moscow on the Hudson
Kari - Beastmaster 2

Don't think I've seen anything Tembi or Rob has done outside Sliders, and Charlie's other stuff is hideously bad.

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Dellaventura (Danny Aiello)

The longest wait for me was the Get a Life comedy starring Chris Elliott.  Rights issues delayed a DVD release for over a decade.  Is VR (Lori Singer) still not available?  Wow.

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The wall is simply hilarious to me.  Obama has been a deporting machine.  This is a red meat issue that frankly is almost irrelevant to America's problems.  The trade deals are a sore spot for a LOT of people, both conservative and liberal.  Firstly, 99% of people don't even know what's in them.  Nor do they truly know what affect they've had, good or bad.  They just assume they are heinous.  Okay, but Trump literally cannot fix them.  To pull out of a massive trade deal would be economic anarchy, the markets would shit the bed.  Like Obamacare, he would have to replace them with something.  And that something would need to pass Congress.  He cannot unilaterally do these things, which again, is something people don't realize. 

I can definitely envision Trump proclaiming he'll fix climate change in November, I see it now.  He'll say anything.  I just read an article about how mystified (and appalled) GOP leadership is when they've found out who are advising Trump on foreign policy.  Some are people they've never ever heard of.  Others are psychos who are at home on the Alex Jones type of conspiracy internet radio/video.  This is what scares me the most with Trump.  Who is this guy going to appoint to run the country????

I do sense that people are pissed, and that's natural.  Their ire should be directed on the CEO culture that has destroyed unions, closed down jobs, pillaged retirement funds, blocked universal healthcare, poisoned people, and bankrupted the infrastructure of the nation.  Many of these officials are Republican governors who now back Trump.  Chris Christie, Rick Scott, etc.  This is so absurd because while Trump is parading around government spending (on infrastructure, social security, military), he's being backed by those who have turned state governments into a complete wreck.  At least Kasich can tout that his state's house is mostly in order.

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For show that lasted THAT long, I think it was very successful.   I myself went through several stretches where I would watch, then stop, and watch again.  The cast was fantastic, which is why I kept watching here and there.

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The number one concern for GOP is what a Trump ticket will do to their Senate, House, and Governor candidates appearing on the November ballot.  If he drags them all down, it's a complete disaster.  He can win Presidency and fight them night and day as the current President has been.  They don't care, Washington GOP cares most about controlling the money aka Congress.

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Starting to look like Trump has a clear path now.  I read an article that stated that his strongest quality is not the bad jokes, bombast, TV tough guy, or anything like that.  His policies are all over the map and change with the wind, so it's not those.  No, the #1 reason is that people have been conditioned to view Washington as totally dysfunctional, which by the way is not true.  They've been fed nonstop about how nothing gets done, even though it actually does, largely by the right.  And Trump has filled his gap because people actually view him as a guy that gets stuff done.  They have also ignored his numerous failures, or the fact that just because Trump's name is on something doesn't mean he's EVER lifted a finger to do anything.  He sells his name as a brand label, nothing more.  It's frankly scary how both ill informed AND outright lazy the American populace has become.  How difficult is it to do RESEARCH on the man you're blindly voting into office?

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not sure what they needed a kickstarter for?  seems like a fairly uncomplicated game, and there are people making homebrew games for NES, and selling them in "new" boxes with carts and manuals for $40-$60 all without the need for tens of thousands of dollars.

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Wow, welcome back!  Were you on the old Studios USA or Scifi boards?

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Trump talks like a pro wrestler, it's hilarious.  Sadly people enjoy listening to carnival barking.  Ted Cruz has no shot either.  In the last debate, he lied through his teeth.  He doesn't remotely support the positions he glazed over.  It's just sad.  Kasich is the only grown up left, and gets no traction because he doesn't speak eloquently, and people gravitate towards personalities.  Trump ain't going nowhere, and the harder they gang up on him, the stronger he gets.  I simply don't understand how you can ignore his laundry list of shitty businesses, hypocrisy, and how he spent his entire career as Mitt Romney before suddenly becoming Pat Buchanon 5 years ago.

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They ALL suck!  I like that Trump is willing to defy conventional thinking, but I also feel like he's lying non-stop.

DMD, he plays the somewhat cowardly, whiny son of Diana.

Star Trek TNG BD is still 4:3.  For Sliders, they had to use a higher quality transfer for the The Hub HD broadcasts.  These were far superior to the DVD's IMO.  It may simply have been professional upscaling from the masters used for DVD.  What was the quality of Sliders on Netflix or whatever streaming service had it, when it was on there?  On BD, you'll at least get a better bit rate, which will look far better than DVD.  As for extras, I wouldn't hold my breath.

As you may or may not know, Austin Nichols (The Great Work) is currently on The Walking Dead.  I met him last year while getting TWD actors at their NY hotel.  Very nice guy!

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RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

Her blog is pretty comprehensive of her life's events. I haven't checked it in a while but if she moved again, she'd probably post it there. I believe she was in Uganda, then Rome, then back to Uganda.  Her husband is a U.N. employee and they can get relocated like that.

I think "The Pretty One" was filmed in 2012 - but was released in 2013.

UN employee, oh so that's the reason!

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RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:
Grizzlor wrote:

Yeah an email through the forum probably would have caught my attention.  100% appreciate it though, and I usually check in every few weeks but I've been crazy busy and much of my web surfing has lapsed!  Painful miss because his other limited engagements have been on the west coast lately.

Next time I'll be sure to use the email forum function. Wish I knew you'd be absent.

I probably would have ignored that anyway!  Ha ha ha, been quite busy.  Thanks for the effort though, and if you spot anything again let me know!  I have to think at some point he'd show up on/off Broadway again.

Transmodiar wrote:

Grizzlor is a man on the go!  You should check out his vlog series where he noodles around Monaco and other European hot spots on 100 euro a week; it's fantastic.

Oh man I wish!  I do travel a lot for comic/celeb conventions, and collect autographs!

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I thought the overall arc was weak, but it was awesome to have the show back.  Gillian Anderson's speech was really weird though, did she have a mouthful of cotton balls?

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intangirble wrote:

I feel like Sabrina would do it if everybody else did it. But I think it would take the combined pull of her three co-stars and Tracy.

Hey, it's good timing, too: the X Files is doing an original-cast reboot, why not Sliders? Even if it was only a mini-series.

She's completely retired from acting and lives in Uganda, Africa.

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They could be brought back as themselves at some point easily.  I don't think the exact same characters NEED to be reused.  Could start with a group formed in a different way than the original (whizkid, girlfriend, professor, goofy bystander), although I wouldn't stretch it that, that far.

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It's produce-able now in terms of budget and technology.  However, I think John's point was that the writing was short on imagination.  Beyond Tracy's scripts, hard not to agree.  Many of the S2 episodes were guest star driven, with very little science fiction.  I agree completely with Info, a multi-episode arc would make the most sense.  Wouldn't be rushed, you could really develop the story in terms of how different this Earth is. 

SyFy has upped the bar on the production quality IMO of their science fiction shows, especially since NBC took over.  That would be the logical home.  Plus all their stuff is like 13 episode orders, so you would have an easier time getting the actors, wouldn't cost as much, and no need for filler scripts that don't cut the mustard.

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Yeah an email through the forum probably would have caught my attention.  100% appreciate it though, and I usually check in every few weeks but I've been crazy busy and much of my web surfing has lapsed!  Painful miss because his other limited engagements have been on the west coast lately.

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RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

Performing in Princeton, NJ through Feb. 7

http://articles.philly.com/2016-01-20/e … wining-boy

For those who have access to NYC, it is fairly easy to get to Princeton campus from Penn Station.

UGHHHHHHH.  That's what I get for not checking the forum in months.  Damn, missed it.  I definitely would have made a trip.

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He's been saying the same thing for years.  If you read Brad Linaweaver's book he pretty much spells out what his issues were...in 1996!  Tracy has alluded to the difficulties he had with John as well.  I think for sure he soured on the material during season 2.  I suppose he enjoyed the first season scripts, but who knows?  I love JRD, but I think his expectations were a bit overboard for the era of television.  That being said, TV writing is still an insider's club filled with friends of friends and family of family, rather than worthy writers.

I really have not and will not read much into the story and such.  I just don't care.  I found the film wildly entertaining, suspenseful, and with good humor and character.  Those expecting an epic were foolish, the story's already been told.  But for someone who liked but didn't love Super 8, and hated his Trek movies, I though JJ did a tremendous job on the film. 

Han being killed I could see coming from 30 miles away.  Somebody had to be killed to further the badness of Kylo Ren.  I don't think ANY of the new characters are particularly deep, but who cares?  Is StarLord a deep character in GOTG?  Not really, but Pratt played it well, and so did these actors.  Tough to lose Han, because Harrison was terrific, but there was no way he was doing film after film of this.

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Hand-drawn animation is incredibly expensive, not to mention there's hardly any cheap overseas animators anymore.  1 minute of animation can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars so 550K for 10 minutes like they were asking was actually economical.

I backed this but it fell short.  However, Bluth and Goldman are starting a new campaign at IndieGoGo soon.   

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Now you'll think this is hilarious, but it's true.  So I'll admit to watching 90210 from time to time back then, not much though.  Beginning in 94-95 they replaced Shannen Doherty with Tiffani-Amber Thiessen, who I was greatly infatuated with!  So I would watch every week just about.  Well that year FOX produced the Spelling-spinoff Models, Inc., which had started in summer '94 and continued through March '95.  The chicks on that show were all pretty hot, so I tuned in from time to time at 9PM following Beverly. 

Anyway, we started getting promos for this new show which was set to debut following 90210.  I knew Jerry and Cleavant from past work, but the big draw for me was John Rhys-Davies of Indiana Jones fame.  So following an hour of staring at Tiffani, I kept it on FOX for "Sliders."  I thought it was cool and funny, and enjoyed it.  I missed a few of the episodes though, and spent some of the others doing homework or showering, so I didn't consider myself more than a "casual" viewer.  I don't recall them rerunning the show that summer either. 

I pretty much forgot about it the next season, as I was watching Star Trek, Space Above and Beyond, Seaquest, and of course The X-Files.  I did watch the lead-in to X-Files quite a bit, Strange Luck.  I thought it was a quirky but cool show.  Eventually that show ran its course, and the following spring Sliders was back, this time on Friday nights before The X-Files.  Again I watched when I could, Friday's as a high school senior I was rarely home, and setting the VCR was a pain in the neck.  If you asked me to recite a plot point I'd be hardpressed, again I was a casual viewer.

By fall '96 I was a college freshman, and Friday nights were a bit busier than ever!  I always tried to catch Sliders and Millennium on Fox.  Sort of like before, Sliders often was sacrificed so I had time to watch the lead-in or out show (Beverly, X-Files, Millennium).  I've said this before, but the killing of Prof. Arturo really angered me, to the point that when I learned the show as cancelled from FOX, I was happy.  One of my friends at school was bummed out, but I was like, this show stinks without him.  Fox replaced it in fall '97 with The Visitor, which was absolutely terrible.

Whenever it was over winter '97, the Sci-Fi channel got the rights to the FOX episodes, and began airing them in repeated marathons.  For whatever the reason, frankly I don't know why, but I started watching them.  I was so enthralled with the early FOX stuff, that I started recorded all the episodes and watching them again on my own.  Eventually when Season 4 premiered I was really psyched.  Re-run hell certainly tempered by enthusiasm, to the point where I started poking around the old Dominion bboard to find out when the hell the season was going to be aired to completion? 

Sadly I found out the show was again, kind of cancelled, then saved, but the O'Connell's were gone.  The show had so many great off the wall stories, characters, guest actors, that's what made it so cool.

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His contributions have been unmatched.  Even though much of the BTS stuff is a lot easier to come by these days, thanks to social media, Sliders was well before then, and by now most of the people involved have forgotten a lot of the details, and of course some have died.

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The footage I'm dying to see is Cleavant doing the national anthem at Candlestick Park before a Giants game!  Tracy I think said even he hasn't been able to find it.

Definitely like to use Google Street and find Quinn's house!

So was this the Bay-Sliders a la Bay-formers or Bay-Turtles?  Ha ha ha.  I'll check it out when it comes to Netflix or cable.

I don't think I'm going to mention The Seer.

I guess she's made other appearances with them over the years, but came to my attention with her addition to the NJ Chiller Theatre show in October.  She's appeared with former cast-mates Lori Saunders and Gunilla Hutton.  I'm definitely looking forward to meeting Mrs. Mallory, and will try to get some Sliders questions asked!

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Josh Trank is an awful director.

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Great to hear from you tex!

I use Photobucket, it's free.

Gansevoort hotel, Meatpacking district, Manhattan.

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I've passed this hotel before, never noticed it!

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Jess, I miss folks like MissingSliderRyan, Vortex62, QBall79, many others.  There are a few I don't miss, that's for sure.  One had something to do with a sock...

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Part of the issue there Jim is that the information may not exist, or is locked away in storage somewhere.  SyFy's staff aren't going to spend time locating. 

As for the ratings, it's a shame.  I really fell back into love with the series when they aired the Fox years "in order" during the spring of 1998 leading into S4.  I think a LOT of other viewers did as well.

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TF, were these episodes you found after re-run hell?  Hence lower numbers than say Alternateville Horror?

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If I recall the show was #2 behind only Farscape on the SciFi Channel.

Ha ha, very clever!  Great satire.