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Batwoman is a bit more interesting these days. I think they went a little hard on the police brutality stuff when I don't think that's really been a thing prior. But on a show like this, I think it's a good statement to make.
Superman and Lois is still good.
Really looking forward to the Diggle multi-show arc.
I’ve been hard on Danielle Panabaker in the past, but I thought she was really good in the most recent episode (“The People v Killer Frost”). I don’t know what changed, but she showed a ton of real emotion. And I wanted to say that.
Legends was fun it’s return. I love that the show doesn’t care at all, and I love that it owns it.
I’m struggling to care about this season of Supergirl and Batwoman. I like the main ladies on both, but the shows just aren’t drawing me in.
Side note - I got a comixology membership and I've been reading HUSH. It's really good and I went back and read ireactions' commentary on it. It makes zero sense that it isn't actually Jason Todd.
Yeah. It's also a very forgettable movie, unfortunately. I think it'll end up alongside David Goyer's Suicide Squad, where I often forget to include it in the DCEU.
James Gunn's Suicide Squad movie looks great, by the way.
That's all very sad. I liked interacting with Informant, and I wish all of this hadn't changed everything. Even in Texas, I don't know very many conservatives and haven't lost any friends due to politics. My friend's mom is into Q but that's probably the closest thing.
I'm glad your mom is set for the shot. And we'd be happy to have you 
I agree. When the movie ended and was wrapping up, I felt good. I felt happy. I even had the thought "you know, I liked this"
I'd forgotten about the Knightmare sequence. It was completely unnecessary. I've already said my piece about Snyder and Superman. I don't get it. It's not for me. But like with you, I'm glad that the hordes of Snyder fans got this. I wish they'd just be happy with it and not clamor for more.
I still think they should do 2 and 3 in animation. WB would make their money back and you'd get the cast back. Snyder wouldn't have to be obsessively involved but it'd still be his vision. I think it's perfect.
I agree with that. Although my biggest struggle, even with the Previously on Supergirl, was remembering what happened last season. To launch into a season finale like that made me feel a bit whiplashed. But it definitely feels better now than the Flash, which does feel muddled.
That's on me, not the show. I get that.
Is there any explanation for why Lex doesn't hate Superman anymore? He doesn't really mention him. I sorta wish they'd ended Crisis with Superman on his own world. I think it would've made sense, pandemic or not.
Come to Texas! Making the vaccine easy to get (regardless of residence) is the *only thing* we've done right.
I don’t know if this is where we brag but I got my first shot of Pfizer!
(I put it here because the vaccine is VERY political)
Did y’all notice the CGI in Flash has gotten....really bad? That CGI giant guy looked awful. They couldn’t just find a big dude? Are there no pro wrestlers in Vancouver?
I continue to be impressed by Superman & Lois. Supergirl is back, but I have no idea where last season ended
The Superman stuff is what takes me out. Snyder’s Superman is such a mess and the main reason why I end up disliking his films. It’s obvious that Snyder’s only interest in Superman is making him an antagonist. The “how do we make Superman interesting” answer is “make him evil” every time. It’s what he does every time, and even Suicide Squad works on the premise that the team exists in case Superman went bad.
And I think this works if he committed to it. But he doesn’t...at all. “What if Superman was hated like Spider-Man?” might actually make an interesting movie, but Snyder wants the audience to be skeptical of Clark while also making the in-universe population love him. But they don’t ever see a loveable Superman outside of the footage Joss Whedon shot.
If Snyder got his way, Clark would be a villain in 4/5 movies he was in. And in Man of Steel, Clark is only not the villain because he’s fighting three evil Supermen. Clark redeeming himself (even sacrificing himself) to make up for what happened in Metropolis would be really cool. Superman having to earn the people’s trust is a great premise. But Snyder doesn’t care about redeeming Superman because he doesn’t like Superman. I think Snyder thinks he’s boring. So he engineers ways for Superman to be the bad guy again and again.
If I were Snyder’s script doctor, I would do it this way
BvS - Mostly the same except a) Batman is the champion of the people (maybe even the government) instead of working for revenge. When he realizes Superman is good, he teams up with Clark b) Clark is working his butt off saving people and winning people over. He’s Chris Reeve Superman. He still dies
Justice League - The same except NO Superman. He’s dead. The League has to win without him.
Reign of the Supermen - Do a full movie of this. Four people emerge claiming to be Superman. Batman has to figure out who is who, knowing that they will need a Superman vs Darkseid. Cavill’s Superman comes back.
Justice League 2 - Darkseid shows up but Clark isn’t ready. Or sure of himself. Batman trains him. The League fails and Superman comes in to save the day (like in Justice League) but gets his butt kicked. Cliffhanger
Justice League 3 - If you want to do evil Superman, do it here. Clark is at his lowest and susceptible. But he overpowers it because he’s won everyone back. He’s the hero of Earth now. And United, they take Darkseid down.
Clark goes through a journey of redemption. He has to win over the people, he has to conquer death, he needs to prove to himself that he can, and he needs to destroy the bad guy.
Spoilers for Falcon and the Winter Soldier
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I really hope that John Walker doesn't end up a bad guy. I really like Wyatt Russell as an actor, and I would love if his character stays heroic (even as an antagonist to Sam) and ends up just being US Agent. I know it's probably going to end up where he takes Super Soldier serum and goes crazy, but I hope that's not the case.
Yeah I assume that’ll get mentioned as early as episode two. I think they wanted it to be Sam’s decision before giving the government’s reasoning
I saw this online but I think they had an easier explanation. Sam was legally dead so he has no money. Maybe the money he would’ve gotten vía Stark went into some sort of account that was frozen when he died. And Tony, having given up hope of fixing the snap, donated that money to help people affected. So maybe Sam just had zero dollars and would be in worse shape than his sister with no more Stark money to fund being the Falcon.
Alan Sepinwall brought up that post-Snap life probably wasn’t considered and that’s why it seems like such a mess so far. It’s easy for Feige and Co to maintain continuity at a high level, but when you dig into daily life, it’s much harder
I liked the premiere of Falcon and Winter Soldier. I think it was a good setup and I like seeing the personal lives of Sam and Bucky.
But Tony wasn’t paying the Avengers? WTF, Tony?
Anyone else watch it?
That’s pretty cool! I’m glad this isn’t a dead-end storyline, and I’m really glad that the fans get the actress they want. And could be some really cool stories with Ryan and Kate both on the scene
The Snyder Cut was better than the Whedon Cut, but of course it was. Snyder was able to not only put together a cut of his movie that was WAY longer than he’d ever be able to release in theatres, but he also was able to use four years of hindsight to add scenes based on reaction to Snyder Cut leaks and reactions to the Whedon cut. He essentially had the best test screening in cinema history.
Snyder is clearly talented, but he can’t tell a cohesive story in two hours. To me, he shouldn’t be in film. He should be in television. With TV getting movie budgets and the lines between TV and film getting blurred, I think he’d thrive there. Because I think if he had to cut out 90 minutes of this, it would lose most of its impact and wouldn’t be much better than the theatrical cut.
I still don’t like his Superman. Like with BVS, Superman doesn’t seem to care about anything but Lois. And like with BVS, Snyder wants to rewrite Superman to be a universally loved figure when there was no evidence that Superman was anything but very controversial. He’s a little more personable but it’s offset by making him the villain of the new Knightmare sequence again. If Superman is only good as long as Lois is with him, is he really a good guy? What if she wants to leave? Would he threaten the world to make her stay?
And Batman’s change, even in the 7+ hour BVS/JL extended cuts, doesn’t feel earned. Does he regret the murders? Has he made peace with what he’s done? Made peace with what happened to Robin? What does Alfred think? Why does Gordon trust Batman after the branding from BVS?
To me, Snyder likes some aspects of the mainstream universe but also wants to do as much as he can to throw chaos into that. Batman can’t be a killer but also have a great relationship with the GCPD. Superman can’t be this cold alien who seems to reluctantly save people who brings out protests but also be universally loved.
I did like the other characters. Diana didn’t quite mesh with her solo films but she’s still great. I thought making Barry less awkward made him more competent. Obviously Cyborg was better. I still don’t know they went with the air bubbles and trilling (?) in the undersea scenes in direct opposition to Aquaman, but I liked Arthur.
I’d watch more of this but I’d prefer another director work on it.
I'm also having trouble connecting with the Flash. I know they had difficulties since they had scripts written (presumably that they liked) but couldn't film. So I'm sure they just used those scripts and continued telling the story. I don't know if Mirror Master can be the villain for a season and a half so I'm sure they'll resolve this quickly and move on to whoever the villain is this year.
But, yeah, the team feels weird. Barry has faced pretty much every challenge. We've dealt with just about everyone having powers and losing powers (although Frost being a speedster was cool). I guess the next logical step is for them to have a baby, but I don't really know what else the show can do, narratively.
Which sucks. The show used to be a lot of fun, but it just feels like it's stuck in place. Even doing something like killing Cisco or whatever wouldn't really shake things up anymore - they replaced Cisco with Chester for the premiere and it wasn't any better or different.
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I'm enjoying Superman & Lois quite a bit. I was worried about the teenage stuff, but it's actually been solid so far. The one thing is that it doesn't look or feel like the Arrowverse. At all. I couldn't imagine Barry running in to save the nuclear plant in Clark's absence, and I have trouble even picturing Kara in this world. It just feels glossier and more "real"
Although Superman sure gets his butt kicked a lot...
I thought it was a lot of fun. I'd pretty much determined that they weren't going to do anything too crazy, but I do think they left a couple of loose threads (the witness protection missing person and the engineer) were a bit odd. I thought a Reed Richards cameo was more likely than a Mephisto, but the story was just a lot more centralized than people were expecting. Which I was totally okay with.
I'm looking forward to Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
Except that didn't actually make sense because CRISIS established that only paragons remembered the pre-CRISIS timeline. Superman wasn't a paragon. He should have remembered having always had Jordan and Jonathan and having had them 14 years earlier than presented on SUPERGIRL. SUPERMAN AND LOIS either ignores this discontinuity or corrects it with Clark having full memories of Jordan and Jonathan. We can handwave it and say that Superman's memories were a glitch and J'onn Jonzz' telepathy resolved it.
I guess that makes sense. So in Arrowverse continuity, he had those kids the entire life of the Arrowverse. When Oliver returned to Starling City and started his quest, years before Barry Allen got his powers and Kara Danvers showed up on the scene, Clark and Lois were already married and had 6-year-old (ish?) twins?
In fact, Kara is only a few years (max ten?) older than his second cousins (is that what second cousins are?)
Considering the reboot, that really doesn't change much. And I assume the pandemic will make it almost impossible for them to do any crossovers with this show so they may just never reference that.
I loved episode 8. As you described, it was haunting and beautiful and painful. After assuming that they were going to reveal a greater villain (Mordo, Mephisto, Nightmare, etc), I'm starting to believe that the villain could end up being Wanda. Maybe she accepts her role as the Scarlet Witch and goes on a rampage that extends into Dr Strange: the Multiverse of Madness. Maybe having to kill the Vision *AGAIN* is too much for her and she has a breakdown that Dr Strange has to work with her to fix. I don't know.
But there's so much to cover. Even if this last episode is an hour of plot (so 1:07+ in total run time), I don't know if they can cover all that we want to cover. I didn't think that the story was going to end on a true cliffhanger, but now I'm wondering if there's enough time for it to not end on a cliffhanger.
But it's really good. I'll be happy however they conclude it (knowing that the story definitely continues in Dr Strange 2).
Anyone watch Superman and Lois? I thought it was well done and didn’t really feel like anything else they’ve done in the Arrowverse.
I’d need to go back and watch Crisis, but did they age the kids up in that episode? I vaguely remember them indicating that Crisis replaced one kid with two, but fairly certain their child was originally a baby. So do Clark and Lois not remember most of their kid’s lives (when they got their memories back) or did they not get their memories back or am I forgetting something?
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In my head, we are overfocused on the idea that Evan Peters is Pietro in the Fox universe. I think it’s more of an Easter egg than anything plot related. I think, if it’s Nicholas Scratch, Scratch is showing his true face. And since no one knows who he is, no one is the wiser
I think if they could make him look like MCU Pietro, they would have. So I think he’s not looking “like someone” - Nicholas Scratch (or whoever he is) looks like Evan Peters in this universe
The biggest hole in this theory is the fact that we saw that brief moment of Pietro with gunshots. It doesn’t fit in my theory, unless it was just a moment of hypnosis to sell the theory.
I'm still thinking he's not any version of Pietro. He's someone in disguise. I've seen the theory that he's Nicholas Scratch, Agatha Harkness' son. Could still be Mephisto or the Fox Pietro, but I think that's unlikely.
They dropped the Agatha Harkness twist finally. Most people, I think, saw that coming if they knew the comics, but I thought they did a great job with it. The "Agatha All Along" song was great, and there's still two weeks to build on that.
The engineer was either very disappointing (someone no one has heard of) or they're still stretching out the surprise. At this point, I think it's gotta be Reed Richards. I think it'd be pretty shocking to introduce someone like that in something like this, but the way they're talking about it in interviews and the way the show is treating it, I think it's gotta be something big.
Potential spoilers on the ending (nothing confirmed but speculation I've read)
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So everyone is thinking Mephisto because of how the story went in the comics, but that might be too much to introduce to audiences in less than two episodes. So who's someone that fits all of the qualifications that have been both on the show and talked about in interviews and feeds into Dr Strange....?
What if Baron Mordo is behind everything? Acclaimed actor. Big name. Leads directly into Multiverse of Madness. Already established in the universe. Magic related. I think this could be a cool way to end it and may fit better than Mephisto/Nightmare/etc.
Hi everyone! Thanks for the concern!
We actually never lost power so we were VERY lucky. A lot of people suffered much more than us. With a baby at home, my wife was very concerned about how we'd keep her warm, especially with most of the hotels booked or also without power. My mom also kept her power so someone was watching over my family this week.
My recent absence is more about my new job than anything else. It's not overall busy but I'm trying not to do any web surfing during my time. So that's why I've only shown up on the weekends.
Again, I truly appreciate the concern. You guys are the best!
What I don't understand about the Snyder Cut is the fact that the movie will still have the same skeleton. Whedon didn't have the time or ability to completely re-write what Snyder had done. So the story going to be, at its heart, what we've already seen. I've never seen a movie re-cut to be something completely different. The Ultimate Edition of BvS added scenes but didn't change how I felt about the movie as I watched it.
I get that it's essentially gonna be a second movie's worth of footage, but at best, it would be a sidequel.
I think this money and energy would've been better used to do his whole triolgy in animation. They could've rushed through the "Justice League" part (since we've seen it) and then do his finale. Because at least that would've been new.
So they're going to call witnesses. Lindsey Graham has been threatening the Democrats to not call witnesses and was reportedly upset that they voted to do it.
I don't like prolonging the inevitable, but I think getting McCarthy or whoever under oath and making them tell the truth could be really damaging. They could get in a lot of trouble if they lie, and they could make the Republicans' votes really difficult.
Let's see what happens.
Leaving in his spoiler tag to talk about his spoiler talk
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Interesting. Evan Peters doesn't appear to be playing Peter Maximoff from the X-MEN movies.
He declares that he is indeed Pietro Maximoff from AGE OF ULTRON, and he isn't sure why he looks different, but he clearly has Pietro's memories (or has access to Wanda's memories to answer any of her questions) and he is aware that the reality of Westfield has been rewritten to Wanda's desires and considers it benign and even generous to the hostages.
In addition, despite his alternate appearance, Wanda believes that Evan Peters is her brother; she accepts him, she relates to him as her children's uncle, she didn't bring him but wanted him to be present.
Is that how you read that? I think Evan Peters is at least pretending to be Age of Ultron Pietro, but I'm still not convinced that he's anything other than some sort of trick. A podcast I listen to speculated that it may be X-Men Peter and some combination of multiverse travel and Wanda may have messed with his memories, which is an interesting take on multiversal travel.
I think Wanda is suspicious, and I think Pietro is at least acting suspicious. What's interesting is that Pietro briefly flashes with bulletholes - which is weird because we know that Vision's body looks the way it's supposed to (animated by Wanda), but if Pietro is truly Peter, why the bulletholes?
The bigger question for me is who is the scientist that Monica keeps referencing. Is it the obvious choice of seeing in Reed Richards? Would Disney introduce a character like that in a Disney+ show? Is it Jane Foster now that Natalie Portman is back in the fray? But, if then, why isn't Darcy the one bringing her in? Same with Selvig. It could be Riri Williams in a tie-in to a future Disney+ show, but the ages would be wildly off, especially if Riri wasn't snapped. Could be a parent but that seems weak.
All signs point to Reed, but that would be quite the twist. Maybe that's what Elizabeth Olsen was referencing when she mentioned a Luke-level cameo.
I don't think it'll help or hurt. People will vote on party lines and it won't matter. Republicans will be mad at Democrats and vice versa. If I were Schumer, I'd just spend half a day on it and call a vote. Get it on record for 2022 races and move on.
Trump is content, at least for now, to stay on the sidelines. That's enough of a win for now.
I think they are hinting that Kate is alive because the optics of killing off the most visible, most popular (and only) lesbian superhero on TV at the time is simply untenable. Gay people have oddly high body counts on television. And BATWOMAN's creators cannot bear to add to it even if Slider_Quinn21 would forgive them for doing it.
I also think that... once Kate has been offscreen for a while, there will be some reconsideration as to whether or not they can recast her. But I don't know that for a fact.
I think that's fair. As neither a woman nor LGBT, I'm certainly discounting the effect that she has and what she means to people. I think (?) Ryan is a lesbian, and there's certainly plenty of representation on the show, but I absolutely understand (better, now) the optics of just killing her off. But I also understand that it's on Ruby Rose. If Ruby wanted to come back and save Kate, even for a cameo so she can go on some mission for the rest of the show, she could. Keeping her alive but never seen again doesn't accomplish a ton, does it? I loved the character of Quinn, but I never got any sort of peace or relief out of the idea that Quinn didn't die on screen.
I think it would've been better for Sliders if Quinn had been killed, even unceremoniously off screen, so that the other characters could move on and the writers could be free to do their thing. Same with Wade. Having the "we don't have time!" line and her coming back as a computer didn't make me feel better.
I get that it's a hard call. But they're setting up mysteries that they can't solve. Maybe they eventually get the rights to use Batman and/or real Bruce Wayne. Maybe they convince Ruby Rose to wrap up her character or recast. But at this point, they're writing themselves into holes when they could be writing cool new stories with Ryan. That's where I think their focus should be.
The other option would've been to have Batwoman Inc. as the idea and recast almost everyone. Maybe Kate sends Luke to help the new Batwoman establish herself in a different city. Maybe she goes to Star City and they get some of the Arrow cast. I don't know. But that's one way they could've kept Kate alive without her on the show, and at least they could have "hey, I just got off the phone with Kate" scenes.
I don't get it. Why are they hinting that Kate is alive? And then doing a storyline where finding her is key.
They had "find Bruce" when they didn't know whether or not they could use Bruce. Now they're pulling a Sliders Season 5 and making a storyline about a star who probably won't come back. Why do shows do this? Unless Ruby Rose might do guest spots, this is just setting up for a storyline that goes nowhere.
I think Kate dying is fine. Characters mourned her. Ruby Rose doesn't seem like she wants to go back. It's tragic but Kate has no superpowers. She survived the Anti-Monitor but dies in a plane crash. It sucks, but it's life.
It sucks because the trial is a waste of time and it will hurt Biden more than it will hurt Trump.
Especially since Trump has been very quiet since leaving office. He can't run the party without a platform to speak from, right?
I was recruited for this job so it wasn't too hard. But I'm sure it'll be busy. First week was good, though.
Thank you!
I liked the Batwoman premiere. I thought it was well done and was handled about as well as possible. I liked Ryan as a character, and they did enough to make Ryan fit on the show (since literally everyone on the show was related to her). I wonder if they'll reference any of this on Supergirl or the other Arrowverse shows.
I thought it was a bit odd that they decided to go with a CW-budget Batmobile. Is that going to be what Ryan uses as Batwoman?
I start a new job this week so I will probably not be around as much the next week or so. Just in case y’all get nervous about why I’m not here
Seeing that Biden’s stimulus plan includes the promised $15 minimum wage (including tipped minimum).
People do understand that this change will just cause the price of everything to double? The quality of life of the Burger King employee will improve zero - they’ll be exactly where they are now. However, salaried workers not under a minimum wage will see no pay raise while facing the new double prices. It will effectively cut salaried worker income in half.
There is no gain in this scenario. Only loss.
I have a degree in economics (in addition to my degree in journalism) and I've always sorta come on this side of the equation. After all, companies don't have compassion and will happily pass whatever extra costs to the consumer.
But I don't think that's true anymore. A few years ago, one of my jobs was to monitor minimum wage hikes across the country and update our systems so that we didn't underpay anyone. When Target announced that they were going to be increasing their minimum wage across the board to $15 voluntarily, a lot of companies moved to do the same. Mine didn't (too expensive overall) but did make lengths to get close. That was years ago - they could be there by now. I modeled a situation where they probably could've gotten there by now.
I think prices could go up slightly (a Big Mac in California costs about a dollar more than a Big Mac in Alabama even though labor costs are much higher in California), but I don't think there's enough evidence that corporations are so cold that they'll pass *all* the costs onto the consumer. I think there's too much risk from a public relations stance for all the costs to double.
I wouldn't mind a timer these days 
Yeah and we aren't married to November either. We could do it in October an inaugurate in November if December has to be a dead zone. I'm not saying Trump is the only reason, but he can be the reason we do it. We could've saved tens of thousands of lives if Biden could've been in office months ago. We're sitting around and waiting for no good reason.
And it's the same for previous presidents. The only time a transition time is beneficial is when the transfer of power is one party to the next. Anything Obama accomplished during his lame duck period could've been done in a month and whatever he did could be easily undone by Trump (executive orders, etc). Congress was elected at the same time and they're already sworn in and working. Only the presidency is delayed like this.
And I get that transitions take time. But there could always be some sort of period where Trump and Biden's staffs are working together even if Biden is in office. So a transition period with the new guy in power instead of the old guy. It works everywhere else so I'm not sure why it wouldn't work here.
But Grizzlor's right - it'll never happen. At least not in this political climate
Why do we need to alter centuries worth of procedure and tradition simply because ONE maniacal crook can't follow them?
Because the delay is too long and it doesn't make any logistical sense. As pilight said, other countries are able to transfer power in a fraction of the time it takes us. It can't be immediate because I'm sure there's a learning curve with every government job, but even before Trump, these lame duck periods are a waste of time. Nothing gets done, and anything that gets rushed out (like the Yemen stuff) can easily be undone once the transfer of power is over.
I'm all for tradition and I do believe that Trump is a unique character, but almost three months is such a long time. Especially in times like this, where a leader is doing such a bad job that we've replaced him, think of all the lives that could've been saved if Biden was in office December 3. Still 4,000 deaths a day because Trump didn't have a centralized plan for the vaccine.
I agree with TF - the process needs to play out. But this has been certified for a while now. There's no reason for a month gap between the states certifying and congress doing the same. There's no reason for a two week gap between then and now when nothing can be done.
Trump can be the reason we make a change, but we've probably needed to make that change for a while now.
I'm on board with that as well. Especially if there's going to be more nonsense.
Yeah, luckily we still got plenty of her on Arrow. I don't feel like this is a Wayward Sisters situation. We got a good taste, not just a tease.
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Sorry, ireactions
I think his speech yesterday shows that he wants something and is willing to trade for it. Maybe it's enough time to pardon himself. Maybe it's just not having the shame of being removed. If he's removed, he can't take Air Force One to Mar-A-Lago to do his rally.
And maybe promising to behave for two weeks saves him because Republicans will see it as a waste of time since he's gone. But you just need a dozen or so Republicans (plus your Romney, Collins, Murkowskis) to remember being attacked and get revenge. Lindsey Graham was accosted at an airport today, I believe. Think he cares enough to support those guys when he's got a job until 2026?
The thing about impeachment isn't just that he's gone, though. They could make it so that he can't run again. I don't know if Trump will be mentally sharp enough at 78 to do what he does best, but if you impeach and remove him...even on the morning of the 20th, you're not just ending this presidency. You're pre-emptively ending any future ones. I think that's why you do it.
I'd be fascinated to see an impeachment vote in the Senate. I think you could easily get 50 votes. Can you get to the threshold? I'm thinking maybe. We just had 92 and 93 votes. Do more than 20 or so think that removal is that much different? Were more than 20 of them convinced that Trump is dangerous as they were ushered out of the Capitol?
Or was Trump's clearly-written-for-him speech enough to convince Republicans to vote no just because it's a waste of time?
I'd do it - just to get people on the record
And in the name of healing, I respect the 40+ Republican senators that didn't vote on party lines last night. And I respect the half dozen Republican senators that changed their mind in the wake of what happened. Late is better than never. I felt better about being an American with some of the speeches I heard from Republicans. Even Lindsey Graham.
Josh Hawley has to be dealt with.
One party does control everything. Just because it has two names doesn't mean it's not one entity, out to screw us all.
I get it. I really do. And I agree with you. I've said that Democrats didn't do enough to stand up to Trump because, deep down, they're all the same. I understand that.
The problem is....there's no point in discussing that. If it's Deep State or one party or one world government or whatever you want to call it, that's not something we can fight or stop. If they have all the money and all the power, we could rise up and vote them out or rise up and kill them all and it won't matter.
It's like being mad at God. You can curse him. You could scream at him. You can find those he loves the most and take it out on them. You could destroy his symbols and his places of worship. But at the end of the day, God holds all the cards. And unless you're a Winchester living in the Supernatural universe (hi, ireactions), we play his game by his rules. That's how I see politics. You can hate the system, but the system is the system. And it's the same system in Canada and Europe and Australia and Africa and Asia and the whole world. We can hate it and spit on it and complain about it, but it doesn't matter.
And we can vote for Bernie or Pete or Yang, but they're all the system. And if they're not, as soon as they get where you want them to go, they're the system. So we just do the dance.
But just because the game is dumb and the rules are stacked against us, there's still a way to win and a way to lose the game. And at the end of the day, that's all we can focus on. Because it's the only thing that's even theoretically possible to affect.
Yeah, no more kid gloves in the name of unity. Trump and Trumpism need to face serious consequences.
To quote Bobby Singer....
Idjits.
They haven't been called but experts in the field have already stated that not only will both win, but that they'll both win by margins exceeding the amount to get a recount.
We can wait until it's official, but in my opinion (*not the opinion of Sliders.tv*) it's over.
This dog and pony show is such a waste of time. I cannot wait to assist the campaign of whoever runs against Ted Cruz next.
GEORGIA!
I don't want one party to control everything. I'm moderate enough that a lot about conservatism appeals to me. But Trump has to be eliminated. He'll keep the evangelicals and the radical right until he's dead, but there aren't enough of those people to make a big enough difference. Most of the GOP establishment has moved away from him already (I expect tons of republicans to vote to certify Biden today), and others will fall in line once they see that it doesn't benefit them anymore.
We have to remain vigilant. We need to support anti-Trump republicans and defeat Trump republicans. And we need to shore up the electoral process so that we can't get this close to chaos ever again.
But today will be a great day
They can't "overturn" the election, there's nothing to change. The Senate cannot touch the results once the states have certified them.
They can't this time. But if the one dude in Michigan hadn't gone against the wills of Trump, Michigan wouldn't have certified. If the secretary of state in Georgia had done what Trump asked him to do, Georgia would've been certified for Trump. There were a number of lawsuits in Wisconsin that were decided by a single judge's vote. In 2020, there's no way to overturn. In 2024, there absolutely could be.
I think both sides are ready for a change in elections. The electoral college won't go away, but they can work on shoring up some glaring holes in the system that could've easily led to Trump stealing the election. Both sides could easily claim wins, and we can prevent a situation where either side actually pulls off what Trump tried.
I'm not sure anything will come from that. Nothing seems to stick to Trump, and he could get a pardon for anything federal. I did see that Georgia might go after criminal charges of electoral tampering, but I'd be shocked if that went anywhere.
But I do wonder if the scandal makes the GOP opposed to the electoral vote work harder to convince Cruz, Hawley, and his cronies not go go down that road. Probably not, but I just can't wait for Wednesday to be over and we can start the final countdown.
I think after Covid and undoing some of the Trump madness, Biden should focus on election integrity. We need to make sure this is as close to a constitutional nightmare as possible. I don't think a simple majority in both chambers should be enough to overturn an election. I do think we need to work on getting as much transparency as possible into the process so that if someone else tries this crap again, it can be shot down immediately instead of dragged out for months.
WW84 was vapid, and like everything else these days, 45 minutes too long.
It's interesting for you to say that because I had the opposite thought. I think somehow this movie needed to be longer - which I know is crazy. But I feel like if you chopped out 45 minutes, it would suffer from the BvS syndrome of the plot no longer making sense. I think there's a version of this film that makes sense and be 45 minutes shorter, but I think you'd need to completely remove the Cheetah subplot. Then the movie loses a couple action sequences and the climax is Wonder Woman making an empassioned speech. I think it's more likely that they'd cut the Steve Trevor stuff, which is really where the movie works best.
I think the BvS Ultimate Edition is a great comparison because I think the movie is really compelling but falls apart when under scrutiny. It also has an insane runtime but also doesn't spend the time wisely or efficiently. BvS had several scenes with Batman and Alfred, but almost none of it helps explain why Batman is acting the way he's acting or whether or not things were ever different. There's a ton about Superman but almost nothing in it humanizes him. A ton with Lex but very little to explain his motivations.
So you have a bloated movie that tells a big story but struggles to answer any questions. And that's what happens with WW84. I have a ton of questions about how the Dreamstone works, and despite a 150 minute runtime, they don't seem terribly interested in explaining it. Did Lord have a supernatural understanding of what people cherish the most, or was he randomly picking things he wanted? With the first Arab oil baron, he asks for the oil without knowing the the oil wasn't his. Then he takes the security team. So it seems like he can just take what he wants but he doesn't have any supernatural knowledge. But then at the end, how does he know what to take?
Are Diana's powers really what Diana treasures the most? That seems odd. I know she likes being a hero, but maybe she should've lost her concern for civilians? Her heroism?
And what did Lord lose? I kept thinking that he'd lose his son, but that never happened. I'm sure they didn't want to kill a kid, but it seems weird that Lord didn't seem to have any downside to his wish. Did he also lose his humanity? He definitely went power hungry, but was he always like that?
And the rules seemed different. Some people lost everything immediately. Barbara and Diana seemed to lose their treasured thing gradually. But Max's partner was taken to jail almost immediately.
What was the point of Steve inhabiting some stranger? Even the movie seemed to forget that plot point at times.
All in all, I don't think cutting things would work unless you cut things and then added other things. The dreamstone part was the part that was the most confusing, but you can't cut that part out or the movie makes even less sense. Again, you could cut Barbara, but you lose some fun scenes and lose some action beats.
First that comes to mind is Lobo. It would fit perfectly with his visions of violence, blood, gore and surrealism.
I actually had that thought. I think that would be really interesting.
I think that a creator who feels he has to show Superman and Batman killing should simply say that these are his versions of Superman and Batman, but Snyder actively attacking the non-lethal Superman and Batman presented elsewhere shows a marked disrespect for the characters and other creators. And creators who create based on contempt and trying to denigrate other creators are fundamentally cynical and defeatist and that's also not really why superheroes appeal, at least not to me.
If this were Marvel, I'd just give him the Punisher. Who would be a good DC character that would work for Snyder?
I feel like Jenkins was just supporting Snyder.
I do think Snyder should have a place at DC if he wants. He's got talent. He's a good filmmaker. It certainly doesn't make sense for him to make another Justice League movie (even if the Snyder Cut is successful and becomes canonized). But if he wants to make a Booster Gold movie or a Batfleck movie or a Red Hood movie - go for it. It'll make money if the budget doesn't explode out of control, and that's on WB to make work.
For what it's worth, WW84 also massively contradicts BvS.
Ah, I see. I've never seen any of it. But I wondered what you would have made of trying to wrap up a show with the abrupt absence of the lead actor. A bit of a Quinn-in-Season-5 situation.
Yeah, its a good question. Unfortunately, you asked about one of the few shows I walked away from permanently.
It's funny. I can stick with just about anything, but there has to be a reason to stick around. I'm going to spoil what I've seen of House of Cards so stop reading if you care, but the show is centered around Frank and his wife. They're modeled after the Clintons (red flag one) as charismatic southern Democrats who lust for more power. She's using him to get power. He's using her to get power. It's the Clintons.
The first season has Frank being investigated by a female reporter. I forget exactly what he's being investigated for at first, but she's on his tail. And even though I hated Frank, I could root for him to be taken down. As Frank gains power, she's hot on his tail. There's some cat and mouse. It was fine. Then, early in season two, he murders her. I'm sure it was supposed to be shocking in a Game of Thrones way, but she was my reason for watching. Her investigation was picked up by some guy but he wasn't as fun as her and it didn't work the same. Instead of him, the foil in season two is some billionaire who is using Frank to make money or something. And since I hate Frank, and I have to "root" for someone, I started hoping that the billionaire could take Frank down. But it's only season 2 and House of Cards is popular and of course the billionaire got his by the end of season two and Frank has killed anyone interesting and the new reporter still isn't interesting and now Frank's going to be president or something and it was just too much.
I can watch a show with an evil protagonist. I watched Breaking Bad and Sopranos and stuff like the Wire and recently Oz. But while I never liked Walter White on Breaking Bad (even at the beginning, I could tell he was a narcissist who wasn't doing things for his family), I had Jessie Pinkman as an everyman who got in over his head. While Walter reveled in the evil, you could always tell that Jessie never really liked the evil stuff (and maybe wasn't smart enough to fully comprehend the evilness of selling drugs in the first place). If Jessie had died in season one as was the original plan, I might not have enjoyed it as much.
I do this with sports too. I have my teams that I love. But the sport itself isn't interesting to me. I will watch hours of my team, but if my team isn't playing, I can't watch. I haven't watched the Super Bowl in years because my team wasn't playing in it. If I don't have someone to root for, I can't watch.
I agree. I think season two had a decent amount of fan service, but I think it made sense for the plot. Boba Fett is absolutely fan service, but he's wearing Mandalorian armor so it makes sense that Mando would run into him. Same with Bo-Katan. And Bo-Katan would reasonably lead him to Ahsoka. And Ahsoka leading him to a Jedi relic that sent out a signal across the universe would certainly come to the attention of Luke.
I think it all made reasonable sense, even all happening in one season. I do worry about watering down the quality of the shows with *so many* spinoffs. It makes me think of the dropoff from Family Guy spinoffs or the decrease in the quality of the Arrowverse. But I assume they'll all be 8 episode seasons so instead of 100+ episodes a year, we're only talking 20-40 a year maybe? Possibly less if they stagger the episodes. I think Filoni can manage that fairly easily and there should be enough writers to make it work.
I understand why they're saying that, but I think it's typical WB/DC overreacting. Did Justice League fail? Absolutely. But it didn't fail because fans don't want connected stories. It failed because fans didn't connect with Zack Snyder's vision and....nothing else? Fans generally liked the non-Snyder films, and the Snyder films still had a huge following.
If I were running WB, I wouldn't have the same kind of reaction. Obviously I wouldn't have done the same thing that they did from the beginning but I think, even now, they could be doing a much better course correction:
STEP ONE - I like the multiverse concept. Run with it. If you want to do a Robert Pattinson Batman with no connection to the main universe, go for it. If you want to do JOKER or Heart of Ice or DC Universe shows, go for it. Marvel essentially had different multiverses for Agents of SHIELD, Runaways, the Netflix shows, etc.
STEP TWO - Do not abandon the shared universe. People didn't love Joss Whedon's Age of Ultron movie either, and they didn't abandon the MCU - they moved to a different visionary. See if Patty Jenkins would do Justice League 2. Or James Wan. Or find someone else. It shouldn't be Zack or nothing. We should have another movie with Gadot and Mamoa together. If you want Cavill back, bring him in. If Affleck is out or in, you don't need Batman for it to work. If you need to scale back the budget, scale it back. If you want to just pair certain people together, throw Cavill in Shazam 2. Put Cyborg in Aquaman 2. Introduce Green Lanterns in Flashpoint. You can enrich your universe without spending a billion dollars.
STEP THREE - Give Snyder another project. Again, scale back the budget if you want. Give Snyder a Batman movie and see if Affleck comes back. Or give him something else. Do what you did with James Gunn and say "what do you want to do?" It's obvious that some fans like Snyder DC movies. It doesn't have to be Justice League 2. Especially if the Snyder Cut works, give him something else.
If you want movies to be standalone, that's fine. But it shouldn't have to be a decision between ONLY STANDALONE and BILLION DOLLAR CROSSOVERS. Thor Ragnarok teamed up two people and it was fun. Same with Spider-Man Homecoming. Not every Marvel movie is Civil War. Black Panther was huge and was barely connected. Their big cameo was the barely-named federal agent and Bucky in a post-credits scene.
Don't learn the wrong lessons.
I watched WW84. Non-spoiler review: I really liked so much of it. I thought the performances were fun. I thought the story was compelling. I loved how they seemed to have fun with the 1984 setting, and the romance stuff was good.
But while I liked all the pieces, the overall movie just sorta didn't work for me. I was excited to come back and watch (I watched it in three sittings), but when it was over, I felt disappointed. I thought they spent a lot of good time making everything worked, and I felt like the ending was completely rushed and unsatisfying. And while I liked Pedro Pascal, I didn't buy Max Lord as a character for about 2/3 of the movie. I also think the dynamic with the dreamstone didn't quite work.
Patty Jenkins is a good filmmaker and I think a lot of it worked. But something about it bothered me enough to not really love the film as a whole.
Anyone else see it?
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