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Thank you for your posts Ib and Matt (by way of Grizzlor).

I'm listening to a song called "Mural" from the Pleasantville soundtrack.   It reminds me of Tracy's life.

ireactions wrote:

QUANTUM LEAP 2.0 is a creative success. As someone who is not a fan of the original show, QL2.0 demonstrated the potent power of the show's peculiar blend of empathy, science fiction, social justice and its wit, charm, and humour. QUANTUM LEAP brought a 1989 concept into 2022 and onward with inventiveness, drive and vision: a diverse cast, a love story across time, gorgeous visual realizations of different periods and settings, superb performances, and scripts filled with daring and charm.

If Season 2 is indeed the end, QUANTUM LEAP 2.0 ends on a moment of triumph, relief, reunion and adventure. I would love to see more, but I do not think brevity is a reason to think poorly of a show that offered a strong note of closure. I would love to see a grand finale with more final notes on Ian, Jen, Magic and Janis and also Sam Beckett, but Season 2 leaves me very satisfied with both its conclusion and the way that last shot hints at so many wonderful adventures for Addison and Ben.

Certainly, a good point.   I was coming from the perspective (fear) of QL not justifying the act of networks/studios reinvigorating properties.   For example, with X-Files (not to send us off on a tangent), the new 911 show did better than that (I believe X Files season 11).    It just demotivates networks that revivials or reboots work that well.   Another proxy is how John Wick franchise blew Blade Runner continuation out of the water from a business perspective.  I want QL to succeed because I don't like how networks and studios kill shows and then never give them life again.   It's rude to the consumer imo.

Quantum Leap is on the far end of the bubble for a third season.  Universal Television's head just did an interview and they are basically waiting to see what NBC says, and NBC is going to weight it against other shows they want to maybe bring on fresh.     The ratings are slightly under the broadcast average for its time slot but not far off NBC's fall drama average. If it doesn't get a third season, I think it will be safe to say the reboot will be viewed as a moderate success at best (if that).

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I wish Tracy was still with us.  Damn it. 

How lucky we were.

"What's going to happen to you if you do something brave"

I'm not arguing with her idea of making brave decisions, I do think Dakota is failing to acknowledge most of these creative execs are working in an industry with not a ton of roles, and they don't necessarily have a pretty face (or a one of a kind skill, necessarily) to cushion themselves.  Yes, they are making defensive decisions, which ultimately leads to poor art.  I just think she could have acknowledged a lot of these execs are scared because its their livelihood and it's hard to stick in that industry with clear misfires or controversies or bad press.  So yea, a lot of them just try to hang on as long as they can make the ride last.

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@ireactions clever post.   I can imagine the professor is still railing, as only he would do.  Remmy really brought it home.

well this is super interesting
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/wy … ce-special

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I wish tracy was still here.

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This is interesting:

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/george … 235895233/

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I'm still bothered tracy's life was cut short.

Sigh.

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At the 1hr25m mark of the podcast dieselmickey posted, Tracy talks about a pretty interesting episode he outlined for next generation.  I think it went unproduced?

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DieselMickyDolenz wrote:

So I'm late hear this news. I actually found out about it today with the latest podcast from the Inglorious Treksperts. They did an episode dedicated to Tracy Tormé. It's mostly about his time on TNG, but there are Sliders mentions (unfortunately, the podcast hosts couldn't remember Cleavant Derricks' name). Included are several recordings from Mark A. Altman's interview with Tracy for Altman's oral history of Trek book. Worth a listen to hear the man in his own words.

https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show … SS-e2erk60

Thank you!

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https://trekmovie.com/2024/01/24/michel … s-want-it/

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

No, you didn't misinterpret.  I'm just saying that I assume she'd come back if the contract makes it worth her time.  I hope she comes back - she's a good character and fairly vital to Ed's story.

Oh I see, sorry.

So the actors are no longer contract I guess?   Well, that would make sense.

I hope the show continues. I know its not a massive hit but there's nothing else quite like it on tv.

I saw this having not watched a lot of the latest episodes and with a lot of catching up to do, so I guess I'm talking out  of both sides of my mouth.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

I know Palicki spoke negatively about her experience, but I assume if they pay her properly for her time (including any time she's not working), I assume she would come back.  She hasn't really worked much since the Orville ended (which may be her choice), but even if it was some sort of smaller role, I don't think she'd just not come back.  At least, that's not what I got from her interview with Michael Rosenbaum.

I think that was the issue for her.  The contracts I guess put a hold on the actors to ensure their availability, which basically means the actors can't work other gigs because the schedules may conflict then once the orville needs them.  To go into production, it's a lot of moving parts (and uncertain shooting schedules) and the contracts want to ensure availability from the actors.

I am not sure though if I misinterpreted your post.

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regarding the Orville
https://screenrant.com/the-orville-seas … acfarlane/

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ireactions wrote:

In this finale idea: Quinn and Arturo make a desperate, final bid to return home and rig the timer to send the sliders backwards on their path through the interdimension, revisiting worlds they previously encountered, seeing the outcome of their actions which are sometimes good and sometimes bad, and enabling the story to resolve any unfinished plots (Kromaggs, Logan, the wrong Arturo, the Professor's illness, etc.).

The climax would have Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo returning home but Quinn stranded. Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo would choose to give up home in order to find and save Quinn; they are lost in the multiverse once again (albeit with a working timer). The sliders would declare that their friendships are what matter most and so long as they have each other, they are home.

This is really just the perfect finale and wrap up.  You know the travels continue on; it reinforces the bond the four have; and it allows the interesting "What Ifs" not just of altered worlds but worlds they altered.

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I've added a link to your post, Ib. 

Also added a link to another source on Heat of the Moment (which was the website done by the person who worked on Sliders 3 - maybe Damron?), and updated a bunch of other stuff.

When I read the Avatar thing, it surprised me quite a bit, because you would have though Jim Cameron would have been upset with Tracy.  But Tracy was working with Gale Anne Hurd years earlier and maybe it got smoothed over, idk.   Certainly, it's quite quite interesting, even if it's hard to fathom how they would do it unless it was done in a different animation style.  The Avatar game that came out though looked amazing so who knows.

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Grizzlor wrote:

Tracy definitely had a Barney and Betty Hill project going at one point, I think even before Sliders, as ireactions mentioned.  Technically he produced an I Am Legend script 10 years before the Smith film, but he angrily tossed it in the trash! 

I would have to double check whether he wrote anything for Picard.  He was mentioning to Cardinal Sin once about the producers considering a Dixon Hill episode, which was followed by Gil bashing the series for 10 minutes.  However, I kinda recall Tracy sounding like nothing ever came from the request. 
?

Yes, I should maybe put "alternative version" of I Am Legend, but then maybe that doesn't belong since he has a lot of different versions of whatever he got made.   The final contribution I think he estimated was 20 percent or so in what made it in.


The Picard thing, I am pretty sure he said he actually wrote something.   Maybe it was just a pitch, but I think he had a full outline/treatment or even script rather than just an idea in his head.   I believe he talked about it twice (so any details you have from Cardinal Sin's episode with more specifiity would be great).

My memory is jogging now but I believe the Tracy episode idea on an obscure website related to nicotine being illegal or something, or nicotine in general.  Does that ring a bell for anyone?

I've added Sliders Lost Episodes DOC link to the oriignal post, and can integrate later tracy's actual episodes.

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I've updated the orignal post with Long Slide Home, and a Star Trek two Spocks ideas for an episode and included a bunch of titles/projects mentioned in the replies to this thread.

I'm realizing now there's another Sliders torme episode idea that was covered in a hard to find site I discovered about 4-5 years ago that I am trying to track down as well.

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Wow, a lot there.

And some pretty interesting stuff. To say the least.

I will incorporate in the original post.

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Thank you ireactions, I will update accordingly.   

Tracy's idea around sliding backwards is a great one.  It just illustrates to me what a special creative talent he was.  The Long Slide Home is also an excellent premise, fascinating, and a great moral quandry.   I am sure I know what Quinn would do.

I should mention regarding Fastwalkers (mentioned above).

The audobooks was on sale when I checked a couple of days ago.  Only 8 bucks from 11.  I had always thought I'd get it and now seemed like the right time of course....

It's a lot better than I expected, it's more grounded.  I recommend it.

Also, as a general note for fans, regarding two of the titles in my original post, though I didn't link to them, there are PDFs for the scripts available, and it's out there if you look hard enough.


As a TODO on the titles I have listed, I'd like to add years and then sort them chronologically.

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I'm starting this thread with the goal of creating as definitive of a listing of the works that Tracy had in development that never got made.  These projects may have had producers attached but they never actually went into tv/film production.   I would appreciate as many detectives as possible in gathering info for this goal, and I'll update this post over time.   I have not done much digging yet, to pull in the information that's been on different websites. 

  • Kung Pow (2000 or 2001ish)
    TV series, he describes as "a very dark twisted, strange comedy" likened to
    "Batman meets Kung Fu meets The Prisoner."  He also says "a comedy for the usa network." In Starburst Magazine in 1998, it reports "quirky action-adventure comedy he’s creating for MTV."   Reported as "an MTV comedy slated to star Babylon 5‘s Ed Wasser" by Cult Times.
                                                                                                                                                                  .

  • Dark City (Around 1995 or just before)
    a ninety-minute pilot created by Tracy, also for Gale Hurd and HBO, an 87-page script written.
                                                                                                                                                                  .

  • Storm Riders
    A classic western with a unique twist. It was created by Tormé who will serve as Executive Producer along with Producer/Director Michel Dinner (The Wonder Years). Storm Riders is an HBO two- hour feature designed to set up a future one-hour series; it will be released theatrically across Europe.
                                                                                                                                                                  .

  • Messengers of Deception
    Tormé wrote the screenplay for Messengers of Deception, a hi- tech thriller produced by Robert K. Weiss (Blues Brothers, the Naked Gun movies) for Universal Studios.   Adapted into a novel "Fastwalkers" after
    the movie project fell apart: https://www.amazon.com/Fastwalker-audio … amp;sr=1-2   The unabridged novel, though out of print, can also be found on archive.org.
                                                                                                                                                                  .

  • The Black Whip
    a four-hour mini-series produced for FOX by Gale Ann Hurd;
                                                                                                                                                                  .

  • Traps: The Drum Wonder
    the biography of drummer Buddy Rich (Rich, Torme, and Bob Dylan Executive Producers);
                                                                                                                                                                  .

  • Doomsday
    TV Project with Howard Stern, bought by UPN. He says, "is an animated sci fi comedy for Film Roman (the Simpsons)." Re-examined by Marvel in later years.
                                                                                                                                                                  .

  • Where the Hart Is
    TV Project with Daniel Knauf, 35-page pilot screenplay developed.
                                                                                                                                                                  .

  • Script or Story for Picard S1
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  • The True Tales of Terror (around 2000 or 2001ish)
    pilot for a tv show.  He says in an interview, "an anthology series that will be on either MTV or FX."  In a chat archived at, http://www.earth62.net/transcripts/torme15jun01.htm, we get:<tracy> just finished writing the true tales of terror pilot
    <tracy> its about the zodiak killer pretty cool stuff


                                                                                                                                                                  .

  • Domination (around 2000 or 2001ish)
    "Domination is a very very ambitious sci fi thriller for warner brothers," he says.  In a chat he also says (http://www.earth62.net/transcripts/torme15jun01.htm): <tracy> Domination i think will be liked by most slider fans
    <tracy> that liked darker episodes
    <tracy> very ambitious project
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  • Higher Power
    A sci-fi series
                                                                                                                                                                  .

  • The Shadowman
    A horror show
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  • A Barney and Betty Hill abduction film (title not known)
    About one of the most famous cases in UFO history
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  • The Time Trial of Horror /  Time Travel / Orb (many working titles)
    A series about some kids who find a crashed UFO that had various potential titles
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  • Avatar TV Show
    Presumably a tie-in to the James Cameron feature film.
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    Star Trek TNG Lost Episodes:
    https://earthprime.com/articles/universe-builder/
    Tormé recalls that he pitched two stories. One was “The Dream Pool,” which never got made, and the second was “The Blue Moon Hotel,” which was later produced, heavily rewritten, as “The Royale.”

    “That’s a bit of a heartbreak for me. I really believe it would have been a tremendous show,” says Tormé, who terms the final product almost unrecognizable. “‘The Royale’ was really my attempt to do a Prisoner show. The hotel was [The Village] and the astronaut living there was like Number Six. This is all allegory. Every day he woke up and lived this strange life inside the Vegas Hotel. Being among all these people, who weren’t really people. It was very surrealistic and kind of sad. Very touching and very lonely and he didn’t understand his own existence. It was like being in a Vegas casino in this barren alien planet. And the Enterprise people come aboard and realized there’s only one human being there — the astronaut — and you never see the alien entity, the hotel manager, until the end. That’s my Number One. The assistant manager was Number Two. It was a very complex and surrealistic story. It’s about loneliness and isolation.

    “What happened to ‘The Royale’ was that there was a stupid rule that said they had to utilize the cast more. The astronaut was too good a part and took away from our cast. They turned the astronaut into a skeleton in the bed. They decided to rewrite all the casino stuff. To me, it was like bad comedy.

    “I’ll give you a perfect example of someone who doesn’t know anything about Vegas writing a cliché Vegas scene. They came up with this whole thing about the book and [the trapped Enterprise crew] had to win enough money gambling to buy their way out of the hotel.

    “I just watched the whole show in complete horror. I had no idea what the show was about. I still don’t know what the show was about! I’m really sorry they couldn’t do the original. It was terrific. All through the first season, we talked about doing it. It was just a question of doing it right, spending the money and taking the time. When we were going to do it second season. I thought, ‘Great!’ and it turned into a disaster.”
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    Star Trek Episode Featuring Two Spocks
    Four page episode treatment available here:
    https://trekmovie.com/2018/09/16/read-u … wo-spocks/
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    Rule of Law Spin-Off Series
    <tracy> just did story for an outer limits its been shot already
    <tracy> called rule of law designed as a special more expensive ep
    <tracy> and as backdoor pilot
    http://www.earth62.net/transcripts/torme15jun01.htm
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  • 701 the Movie - Dramatized Version (2015-17)
    This came at as a non-fiction documentary only, retitled The Phenomenon.  The plan was originally part doc, part scripted feature for theaters.  The budget, according to the imdb page was around $10m for the project, and their investor, per tracy's radio/podcast interviews, got in trouble with the feds for his mortgage business, so he couldn't put a dime in and they had to kill the dramatized version, which was why he was originally interested in doing the project to begin with.
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SLIDERS UNPRODUCED

  • Heat of the Moment
    "Near the end of my tenure, I was writing my second script of the year, and I think it would have been the best script I’d ever done. It was called Heat of the Moment, and it was actually a show where Rembrandt is killed, Quinn and Wade are getting married, and they’re stuck on a world that’s doomed because of something happening with the sun. At the very end of the episode, our Sliders arrive, and you realize you’ve been watching other Sliders the entire time. It had Conrad Bennish, Jr. who was a millionaire on this world because he’d invented the ‘ice hat’, which people wore to keep their heads cool, so he was this great millionaire entrepreneur, and he starts working with the Professor again, which is a throwback to the episode Last Days. ”I loved that show, and thought it was going to be a great one to go out with, but near the time I finished, the word came down [that John Rhys Davies was leaving]. I’d put all this work into the script, and they were saying, ‘Can’t you rewrite it and put the new female character into it?’ and I said no I couldn’t. That was really the last straw for me.”  EarthPrime.com article sharing the story: https://earthprime.com/etcetera/heat-of-the-moment/  And more here: https://theslidersvault.angelfire.com/h … oment.html

    more here as well: http://leminuteur.free.fr/us/itwtormeus.htm :
    Tracy Tormé: I think it would have been our best show. It's a shame! The Sliders landed on world falling into the sun slowly. Bennish is a millionare who invented the ice hat to keep everyone cool. He goes to work with Arturo again, like in Last Days, also one of my favourite of old shows, now that I think about it. Rembrandt goes on dangerous journey to help his brother. Quinn and Wade realizing they will die on this world decide to get married. Bennish and Arturo fail. Bennish world is doomed, and the Sliders trapped. Rembrandt is killed on journey. Arturo goes to Quinn and Wade wedding, but doesn't tell them about their friend's death. Quinn and Wade get married with only two days of life left on that planet. And final shot is of our Sliders arriving for two min on this planet, and we discover we were watching other sliders through entire show.

    He also spoke about it at DragonCon.  DoC reports on that here: https://archive.is/N38t
                                                                                                                                                                  .

  • Slide Effects
    In a 2009 interview, Tormé revealed how he would have repaired his series if given the chance.  "I was looking through the pile of Sliders production stuff and found a small piece of paper dated November 1996,” he says. “It was a note to myself; I guess back at that time I was also jotting down ideas that would make season four if it ever happened."

    https://earthprime.com/interviews/tracy-torme-2009/

    https://earthprime.com/etcetera/slide-effects-2/
                                                                                                                                                                  .

  • Sliders Lost Episodes
    https://archive.is/N38t

  • Beauty World
    DoC reports: "Once again, not much is known about this tale. Another episode Tracy Tormé worked on, this episode would have featured a world where beauty had a different meaning (a homage to the famous Twilight Zone tale where our definition of beauty was considered ugliness)."   
    https://archive.is/N38t#selection-247.0-255.263 Per http://www.earth62.net/transcripts/torme15jun01.htm: <tracy> was pretty much what youd expect world where looks are elevated over substance
    <tracy> as i recall we spent quite a bit of time on it but ultimately abandoned it

  • Blood and Splendor
    DoC reports: This Tracy Tormé script was completed but never produced due to cost considerations in the special effects area. The script was finally produced in 1996 as one of the Acclaim Sliders comics specials"
    https://archive.is/N38t#selection-247.0-255.263

    The comic can be found here: https://earthprime.com/sliders-comics/
                                                                                                                                                                  .

  • The Long Slide Home
    A concept aimed at giving fans closure that could be released as a PDF on EarthPrime.com as well as other Sliders site(s) and potentially, could be brought to Universal to ask them to include it on the DVD.
    As Tracy told EarthPrime.com founder Matt Hutaff, per reporting on this forum:
    "The Long Slide Home" is in the works... I'm calling it my 'officially unofficial final episode of SLIDERS' and I intend it to be placed on your site and the other site mutually in hopes all fans will come by it. I've been thinking about contacting Universal to possibly place it on a SLIDERS DVD. I have outlined the idea completely for 'The Long Slide Home'. It's very 'fan friendly' because it has no boundaries and to my knowledge wraps up a lot and teases as well... It's not a SLIDERS movie... just something for fans as unproduced closure."
    More info in ireactions'  comment in this thread, including story concept: https://sliders.tv/bboard/viewtopic.php … 292#p15292 as well as an additional post here: https://sliders.tv/bboard/viewtopic.php … 305#p15305
                                                                                                                                                                  .

  • Sliders Reboot (2021-)
    - Jerry  calls tracy late 2013, after the Funny or Die Sliders spoof gets internet chatter.  They hadnt spoken in a decade;  Jerry tells Tracy he wants to do Sliders again and is excited over the reaction to the Funny or Die video.  Tracy follows up with Jerry in January of 2014 to talk further.  Jerry and Cleavant meet during the pandemic (2021?).  John puts out calls for who owns the sliders rights and even emails the head of Comcast, which seems to help eventually get something going.  Jerry puts in a call to Universal that goes unreturned.   Tracy meets with Cleavant (not sure how many times).  Tracy and John reconnect, and John has kind words for Tracy about their time together.  A former FOX exec gets involved and as well as Jacob Epstein and Robert Weiss.    They have at least 3 meetings with Universal, two positive and productive, the third a bit of a clunker.   The world where time moves slower from The Guardian is a key component in explaining why the characters may jump in age even though the series will pick up where the guardian left off.   At least two original cast members are in the pilot; one may be dead (or are they?).

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Many thanks to

https://earthprime.com for original sourcing as well as archiving

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I always thought it was nice that the powers that be gave that show a end movie, the way Timeless got that too.  Most of the times the studios or distributors can be rather tough with decisions (and I suspect it's more that way again now) but at that time, at least they tried to address how fans felt.

It's really unacceptable that the Peacock technical team has Sliders, a title only available to its paid subscribers, a premium level of the service, from the same studio that owns the property, looking worse and inferior to XUMO Play, a free service that is simply licensing the content.  There's a measurable difference.   Even if Peacock's might be better than Roku channel's version.

At least now, it's easy to point to something better, so perhaps Peacock can be shamed over it.  I wrote their care team.  I have a family member who has an active subscription so was able to check the quality again.

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Grizzlor wrote:

Definitely well said by ireactions.  I think the best way to describe Tracy's approach to television, film writing, was fearless.  He had something to say, ideas to put to page, and he did it.  That is quickly becoming a lost art in filmmaking, as corporate marketers seem to make most of the major artistic decisions these days.  With everyone afraid of offending anyone living or dead.

Tracy definitely stuck to his guns. Stubborn in a way you had to love..

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Wow..   bar codes leaving us is kinda nuts.

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@ireactions   Excellent summation.   And beautiful to read.  Thank you for writing it.

I would also add, part of the reason why perhaps he didn't get those 100 episodes, or get paid as a screenwriter on I AM LEGEND, or have decades of continually new on-air television and features, was he was a sensitive soul.   He was not a business guy.  He was not an asshole.  He was not a politician or slippery.   At least two of those are good for being an executive producer, and the guys (and women) who never stop working in hollywood tend to have a little more of that and perhaps a little less in what tracy did have.

SLIDERS could be hard for him because he wasn't a jerk, he wasn't a business manueverer, he wasn't a policitian.   He was a writer.  He was a feeler.  And it was crushing at times to deal with people who were just business types or politicians, and who were creatively less skillful and were overruling him. 

That said, the industry does tend to sour on everyone.   Even someone like Bob Gale, co-author of the most perfect screenplay in history, fell out of favor in that town.  For god sakes, Bob had to self-publish his book Horror High (maybe not finding a publishing company was a bit of a choice, idk).   Tracy's most active years may have spanned about two decades but unfortunately, like the music industry, the tv/film industry is difficult for many to rule, even though the career length of an adult to "fill" is about four decades or more.

Tracy wore his heart on his sleeve, and maybe it didn't always help him in the corporate world, but I love him for that and wouldn't change a thing.

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I had some more thoughts this morning on Tracy, some stuff I didn't get out in my original post.

First, it's absolutely bonkers nuts to me that in addition to all the luminaries of science fiction this man engaged with, that Ray Bradberry was among the ones he tussled with on the subject of UFOs.   Or that the guy who runs SETI (featured in the movie CONTACT), Seth Shostak, was another.

Or that when he wanted to do an interview with Bill Clinton for his UFO documentay, he had a friend in Clinton's inner circle, and he was able to get to him... and apparently, Clinton wanted to do it but they wanted to keep him some distance from the subject, and so they offered Hillary Clinton instead (then running for president).  Tracy declined the alterative.

It's nuts to me that he was able to have a conversation on the subject with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who was a believer.   Tracy's aunt was a friend of Harry's.

It's nuts to me that someone who was connected to so many prominent, diverse, influential people, also as a footnote in his career, once collaborated on a project with Howard Stern.   That is how far ranging Tracy's life was.   It's nuts to me that he actually wrote a story (that ultimately wasn't a good fit) for the recent Picard series (I believe season 1).  I don't know if it was on spec or paid, but it seems as if he was asked.  According to him, he forgot how old Picard's character would have been, so the relationship he had set up in the episode never would have worked.

It's nuts to me that a man who was so talented and accomplished in so many ways had not an *once* of pretentiousness  in his body.   He never acted above anyone.   He always listened to all.  Probably part of the reason why he was such a great observer is he was a great listener.  I believe singers and actors are good at that particular skill -- and well, Tracy could sing, and though he didn't like jazz, he once in high school thought he'd be a rocker.

It's also nuts to me that unlike many screenwriters, he was apparently a very good athlete.  I believe he may have dabbled in baseball in college and he also I believe played football (I think QB?) in high school.   And unlike many of this fellow Beverly Hills High School graduates, he wasn't embarrassed to say he went there.  He was different.

His kindness extended to how he engaged with fans and all of us know at this point how often he was open to connecting with people, and didn't treat others with the sort of hierarchal view that many do.   He respected others as being equal to himself.   He just had no pretentious what so ever and really treated others with a classyness.

He was proud of his wife, who he would be sure to mention her own accomplishments, as one of the  best women's surfers ever.     I just think he was really exceptional and unique in a lot of ways, and I wish we all had some of his more admirable traits, even if I think there's a cost to the individual to carrying that out.   Tracy just had some great qualities to him.

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Grizzlor wrote:

Great post!  I do hope that "Slidecage" Jim Hall does post his thoughts here.  I suggest him to on Twitter.  I'd love to hear about that last conversation.  Even though Tracy often came off as a bit of a Debbie Downer and complainer on Awake Nation, in may ways he was a great optimist.  Personally, I didn't give his reboot much chance, not with today's media landscape and overall what a turd NBCU has become.  Exchanged many emails with the late Gil Bavel on the "Sliders convention," which I also had equally big doubts about from the get-go.  Yet Tracy was still pushing those plans right up until the end.  Was it wishful thinking?  I don't know.  I wasn't watching these broadcasts beyond the few with Cleavant and Bob, but you can tell in the summer, after a bout of the flu, that Tracy did not appear well.  It's all very unfortunate, as I too wonder what he might have done over the last 20 years had he not been chronically ill?  I had reservations about whether he was well enough to write/run a show again.

Thanks Grizzlor.

Yes, it would have been nice had he not had the health issues, and didn't have to step away from writing, especially about 10 or so years ago, or whenever it was.   I do think maybe his style fell out of favor, hollywood was looking for young talent but I think a lot of the style is coming back more to his strengths.  There was a period where everyone was trying to do prestige tv like mad men, where stuff was so-self serious, had no humor, and a lot of the industry was making tv for themselves.   There was also a period where, yes, everything had to have a sort of feel, as hollywood was trying to make up for it's embarrassing history in which its industry practices may not have lived  up to the virtues it espoused.   Even now, there is a sort of age bigotry against older writers, but I think they don't feel a lot of the older writers who haven't steadily worked would have material that would connect with younger audiences.

The thing is younger audiences at this point are watching less tv and more youtube and tiktok, so why even cater to them.  I think the remaining tv / streaming audience would connect, especially now, with tracy's stuff.  I mean, Black Mirror, did do dark comedy and shows like Yellowstone get like 10x more viewers than shows like Succession, even if Succession gets 10x more online chatter than Yellowstone.   I feel like Tracy could have created something successful today (outside of SLIDERS) but whether it makes its money back, that's a different story, as most of these shows on streaming have proven to be for streaming services that are almost futile as profitable businesses.

With SLIDERS, I think it was Universal just mining their IP, he had a good Executive Producer involved who had a good relationship with the studio (and I think deal with it at the time).   They probably wanted to hear from the creator to check under the hood and due their due dilligence on their IP.  Whether or not they believed in him as a showrunner is a different question, and they may not have been that far along.  Maybe they just wanted to see what he had, if their was a compelling argument to do SLIDERS again, and they may have paired him with (or essentially given full series duties to) another showrunner if they questioned whether he could handle the physical requirements of doing a show.  Certainly with feature film writers, most of the job can be done in pajamas, and perhaps they figured it could by a hybrid showrunner/feature writer role of sorts if the details needed to be worked out, or if he couldn't do it.

Because Weiss was involved, not so much in a creative role, and is co-owner of St. Claire, which owns a small piece of the property, it's very possible that there was able to be some level of light, ongoing, sustained dialogue with Universal where Weiss was able to have some communication every now and again after Tracy's meetings.  So maybe Tracy had some hopes because Universal hadn't completely shut down the idea.   Often, they are probably not gonna give an outright No to reserve their option to do it (a pass might be more likely if they weren't talking to the creator, who they might not want to completely piss off/abandon just in case they have to go into the IP again and don't want to do a complete roboot).   I think even Universal realizes anything that might have some market place recognition isn't completely valueless and you never know if they feel so desperate they are willing to roll the dice on JRD/O'Connell recognition, even if it didn't feel likely or best for them at the time.

Tracy, having worked in hollywood for so long, surely had a good sense of how often these projects get pitched and go nowhere.  I agree he was optimistic though, maybe overly optimistic.  I liken that to how people who strive to make it in a high level in professional sports often carry around an attitude of believing in themselves (even too much), because, if they don't, they will have zero chance to have the mindset to compete on the field.   For someone trying to get a project made, it's possible that he had all these very real meetings and some light continued dialogue, and to be able to creatively keep pushing on something, you almost have to be overly optimistic, otherwise you can't get motivated to push through the challenges of getting something made...

That said, I think the path should have been just SLIDERS novels 10 or 20 years ago.  But I do think Tracy was so hurt by the experience of SLIDERS, having his baby ripped away, having to deal with a showrunner who was inconsiderate to him and all wrong creatively, I think it was something painful for him.  I once mentioned here I thought he had some PTSD from the experience, and I maintain that, but I think it all came around in 2016 or so, and he was able to move past that once him and Jerry started talking.  Suddenly, his last memories of the experience were no longer based on those last difficult times, but rather reconnecting with someone and taking each of them back to what they had hoped originally for the project, and the good work they did accomplish.   I also think his conversations with John were incredibly healing in the sense that he felt John came to appreciate what he was trying to do, and I think it repositioned his enthusiasm around doing SLIDERS again and he was willing to spend time on it when he had really had to move away from it for a long time.

I said a lot of positive things about Tracy, but I do also see John as a treasure.  I fear we will lose him too at some point, and regret that he never really got the pedestal project he deserved.  I think he can carry a show by himself, or at least, at one point could.  When I watch him in that youtube video of his visit to the Oxford student union, even though it was years ago at this point, or some of his covid videos on youtube reflecting, with the grace he has in that moment, I feel like there's someone super special there, not that different from the professor. And even if the professor was played more like JRD the man himself than entirely the character Tracy saw, I think that was worthy too, and I'd love for John to be able to do the role again -- even if at this stage, it would have to be toned down and certainly more centered now that he's less dynamic physically.

Anyway, I hope it's a long time before we lose John -- and I hope the world gives him his full due while he is here.

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I am devastated.   I feel as if Tracy leaving us is a huge loss.   I thought of him as a brilliant man, even if I did not always   share his view on everything he said.   The point is, he pushed the boundries.   Tracy did not enjoy being muzzled by the networks.   He used black comedy and science fiction to share his observations and convey possible outcomes.   He made light of the peculiarities we have.   He warned of dangers.   His creative literature was his work, his path to do this.  In later years, he grew frustrated with the muzzling of discussion in society.   He didn't distain people for holding opposite views -- what he disdained was not being able to have the conversation in the first place.

I feel like Tracy was a kean observer of human behavior, and systems, and personalities, and he knew how to create a  linear thread to help illustrate what he witnessed.  Even the tone of his voice made it more pleasant to hear him share these narratives.   I believe he was ahead on the curve on a lot of things -- he saw things before others did and so we at times can naturally recoil at this views or discard them when he's further along in understanding something than us.   Tracy of course was no god -- he could be wrong or extremely wrong about things at times -- but what I got out of his work and his interviews was he always made me think.   At times it could frustrate me in the moment but because of his gift, of course it was interesting to listen to, so how could I not?   At other times, his thoughts immediately resonated with me or just were enjoyable to take in.   And I loved hearing about his background.   This man really in the thick of everything from the entertainment business and UFO research perspective.  The guy knew and worked with Carl Sagan, Gale Anne Hurd (and James Cameron),  Gene Roddenbery, Joe Stefano, Harlan Ellison, J. Allen Hyneck, Jacques Valles, SNL's team, Travis Walton, Jerry O'Connell, John Rhys Davis, did projects for FOX, HBO, Showtime, network tv, had plenty of exposure to legendary musicians through his father.  He rescued dogs.  He survived health bouts.  He got back into the business after being out of it for so long.   He became friendly with Lue Elizondo.  He even had something going on with Marvel and Paramount in the last decade of his career (projects that did not go).   His UFO documentary which he splitted ways on (because he wanted it to be part non-fiction, theatrical type of fare) ended up becoming the most mainstream UFO documentary of all time.   

His show SLIDERS is still being viewed today and is on a premium streaming service and is in the top 92.4% of all tv titles in the U.S. ever produced as far as current streaming demand.  6.7x the market average.   There have been 6 or 7 podcasts about the show.  Countless websites that still exist.   The thing about Tracy is, he impacted culture.   Through SLIDERS, through elevating the Travis Walton case and popularizing it, through I AM LEGEND, which he was the first to jump on.   The man made his mark.   The man, who was ahead of most all of us in how he observed us, who did not want to just go with the status quo, who used his work and his voice to elevate, propose new ideas or introduce concepts, or share his thoughts, who wanted to have the conversation about things that were on his mind, made his mark.  The world is a different one without Tracy Torme.  How many of us can say we made as large of an impact.

I'm not building him up to be a lion.  But for me, he was my lion.   He was the artist / writer who I resonated with most.   Between him and Bob Weiss, I found a lot of things they were involved with that I did not originally know they were involved with but I was drawn to.  SLIDERS, Oddessy 5, Naked Gun, Kentucky Fried Movie, Star Trek: The Next Generation, Outer Limits, Contact.  My brother even worked on I AM LEGEND as a PA.  He was on the bridge that day with the seen with the dog that tracy had to walk out of the theater on because he could not take.  I never got to tell him that thought I did tell him he had worked on that movie.

Many, many years ago when Tracy started working on 701: The Movie (which became "The Phenomenon"), I paid attention because it was a Tracy Torme project.   They had a wealthy backer who made a lot of money off these prime mortage things, something the government cracked down on.  The investor was a believer.  They were offering $100k for anyone with great video as proof, and publicized it.   That never materialized, but I did follow along the projects development, which had twists & turns and turned out to be a bit of a nightmare for both of the creators.   On their youtube channel, they had uploaded some footage that was BBC archival footage I had never previously seen.   I had considered the possibility of UFOs as real when I was super young but basically shut it down in the decades that followed because the entire subject went away, and it "felt" like there was really no compelling arguments for it.   When I saw that BBC footage, which featured a bunch of school kids in South Africa, well.  I could not turn away.  I could never get out of my head, since it's not hard to tell when kids are lying, and so many of them were speaking honestly, I could not get out of my head, 'What if what those kids were saying was real?"   And so, for me, the door could no longer be shut.   Even if I don't know what to believe now.

In recent years, even though Tracy was a guy who didn't use cell phones or email much, or was rather late, and was still old school in making actual phone calls, we were blessed to get to hear from him again through the rise of creator work on youtube and podcasts.  He sorta figured out how to do video streaming, he was burdened by the bad internet connection in moving to a more rural area of California (to get away from the traffic).   And, after a huge gap in hearing from him, we got to enjoy him more.   Dark Matters with Don Ecker (and later Gerry Kissell), Cardinal Sin's channel, where we were blessed with many episodes thanks to Gil, a wondeful man himself, and finally Awake Nation, where he became a weekly guest contributor for some time.

Now of course Awake Nation had/has some off the rocker batshit crazy stuff.  But g*d damn we got Tracy every week.  And even if it could be maddening some of the discussion, we got plenty of good stuff, and the maddening stuff could force you to challenge your thinking.  Because even if you didn't always like what was being said, it doesn't mean you are always right.  Or that things are black and white.   On the show, Tracy also did a bunch of entertainment related things.   He brought back Bob Weiss.  He had a reunion with Cleavant which was a huge, huge gift to the fan base that we never were otherwise going to likely get and now, as long as the video is preserved, we will always have.   We saw the love those two had for each other, and we saw the pure love that was in Cleavant's heart for tracy, and for life.  In spite of Cleavant's own challenges with the health of his brother.

I was so looking forward to his return to Awake Nation on Jan. 10.   Or Slidecage's upcoming interview, which was spoken about just five days before Tracy passed.   Tracy had no idea that he would be passing.  He was going back to his normal routine after a couple of months of bad health.  He was feeling better. 

In some ways, that he was feeling better before his passing, is a relief.   I believe Thomas at Slidecage was fortunate enough to have that last phone call with Tracy, or that Tracy even felt better shortly before he passed, because some phenomenon that we don't know about, or don't understand, in a realm that we can't see, wanted to give him the proper exit before moving onto the next world.   Where he could be with this father once again.   That phone call Thomas had was a last chance for Sliders fans to convey how important to Tracy what he created was.  How it lives in us, now almost 30 years later, and how he has impacted us.   It was also a chance for Tracy to tell us sliders fans, he was OK.  And how Sliders was still something he hadn't given up hope on.  Whether it be a revivial or some sort of reunion fan event.

When Tracy first passed, I was sad, but also immediately angry. Because selfishly, I wanted more of his words and content, and now I don't get to have it.  I was also mad, because I had seen this coming for a long time, and my fear was realized, at least in part.   That before everyone got to get together again, the main cast and tracy, or some creative work from Tracy, that it would be too late.   I had always wanted at minimum Tracy's "works" in that world to be recorded, so once his work on earth was done, we'd have them.  I wanted novels and/or audio dramas, something lower level aimed at the fans.  That didn't need to be explosively successful, but at least the fans would have.  So when he passed, time ran out and just getting what should have been the simple things, was not realized.   I always found doing a full on TV revival both an awesome goal but as years went on, maybe more ambitious than we needed.

I just wanted more of Tracy's words, whether they be in book form, or Cleavant reading them in an audio book, or Jerry speaking them in a tv event.  It didn't matter.   Because what I was interested most in was Tracy.   He is the writer, author, observer, creator that has most resonated with me in my lifetime, and I feel like we lost a gift to the world.   Someone the networks never really let run free.  And I wanted him to get that shot, through SLIDERS, in whatever medium possible.

But, we were lucky to have him for all the time we did, and all the work he put out.  At this point, I feel most for his wife, Robin, who he was very close with and who won't have his immediate companionship for the time being.  I feel for his family.  I feel like all Sliders fans lost a "friend", too.   That's what upsets me most, more than just losing any of his future work.

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The Peripheral on Prime was interesting and ambitious. I thought the production design was out of this world and concept quite intriguing.   It got a lot of buzz and did well for it initially but then that wore off and it probably didn't scale to a more general audience.  Unfortunately, it got canceled as a result given how expensive it must have been.

I never stuck with La Brea but want to.  It feels a little like sliders as a network sci-fi show with a interesting concept though I guess it's trying to be more like Lost, I don't know.  Network sci-fi usually fails so I want to try to support stuff that isn't doctor or ambulance or lawyer procedurals.

I'm diving into it today (have it on in the background on the NBC app) based on your positive words though I needed to catch up on it anyway.

https://deadline.com/2024/01/battlestar … 235695526/

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oh god.

QuinnSlidr wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

There hasn't been much talk on Quantum Leap season 2 but apparently it's been airing new episodes in Q4 of last year and now apparently Season 3 is coming soon.

Has anyone kept up with s2?  I hope that the ratings are good enough in S3 for it to continue.  Whatever little hope sliders has may be somewhat tied to that.  If they get 4 seasons out of quantum leap, they may be willing to move onto sliders (probably rebooting but you never know if they do a next-gen approach) once leap concludes its run.

It shouldn't be tied to it. It's an entirely different show and premise.

It's a cousin so to speak.

We have to remember the majority rights holder is the same across both properties and they decide whether or not to use the IP they own and they will probably look at it as a proxy.  Also, I would imagine they decided to move first with QL because frankly, QL's brand hadn't been sullied by lower budget seasons etc but I am sure they considered using them both.  So if they don't like the business outcome with QL then they will probably be less interested in using the SLIDERS title gain and more focus on new properties.

QL's success can only help sliders and a lack of success will only hurt it.  Will it ending at 3 seasons be considered a success by universal?  I don't know because it's live viewing on NBC has been I think just  OK and it's mostly been renewed because it was doing relatively well in streaming delayed viewing among the younger demo but at the same time, they've lost a lot of money on streaming and just because it has attracted some viewership, I am sure it's made back the budget and more yet.    I'm also a bit worried if viewers are losing interest over time, as their seemed to be less chatter late with s2 but I guess we will see.

I also want QL to succeed just because there's not a lot on tv I feel is worthy of bothering with anymore.  I felt like the same with NBC"s Timeless as I do now with QL.

There hasn't been much talk on Quantum Leap season 2 but apparently it's been airing new episodes in Q4 of last year and now apparently Season 3 is coming soon.

Has anyone kept up with s2?  I hope that the ratings are good enough in S3 for it to continue.  Whatever little hope sliders has may be somewhat tied to that.  If they get 4 seasons out of quantum leap, they may be willing to move onto sliders (probably rebooting but you never know if they do a next-gen approach) once leap concludes its run.

Gil's death was shocking and disappointing.  He left a positive impression on everyone.

Jim_Hall wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cH … U5Nw?ep=14


https://sadhillmedia.com/filmformally/s3e01

This was an interesting podcast for pneumatic, ireactions and jim_hall to check out.  It's about film preservation.  It was quite interesting.

He said some companies staple the film splices together. Unreal. I'm not too afraid about Sliders' storage as long as it's not in a humid area. But leave it to Universal though, lol. I think Criterion restored badly damaged negatives from the 30s. I recently bought the MacGyver blu-ray set and it has a few to several clips in each episode where it's SD. And those clips also appear, in my opinion, to have some AI enhancements. So I'm not sure as to why this is, if they're damaged or lost. Some one had said they used tape for a clip in one of the theme intros. Apparently it was never shown in the episode, but they just used it as a promo if you wanna call it that for the theme. Although I can't vouch for the reasons in the episodes. I'm only on season 2 right now and there has to have been at least 50+ scenes in SD.

That's interesting SD scenes are making it into these releases.   I am sure some fans complain but in the end making something that patched up is better than nothing at all.

Peacock has had a number of SLIDERS articles in recent months as they are clearly trying to support the team at Peacock  and drive interest.  It has been great to see.
https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/the-time … nt-know-it

Pretty scary thing they talked about on the podcast was that film prints (or was it negatives?  I think prints) start getting "vinegar syndrome" after 15 years and by 30-to-40 years they all have it.   The film goes from blue, the greenish to yellow.  Yellow becomes unsalveagable, at blue you can deal with it but have to move and with greenish you better freeze it at 32 degrees and act fast.   The chemicals in the film over time continually interact.  He said most studios do a pretty good job at preserving their stuff but it's expensive and not all.   I guess the lesson is that the shelf life is not eternal.

Wouldn't be great if we could somehow convince universal to scan the negative?

Given most of these streamers are losing money and libraries become more important, they could invest in their library.

It would cost $15-20k per episode, perhaps a little less.  Sliders might be generating $100-200k a year for universal right now, so it certainly would be a bit challenging.  But damn, I would love to see S1 as it was shot.   Maybe the time is right to push for this.   I don't  know if Peacock even will exist in 3-5 years, or if Universal will have to merge with another companies (rumor is, these talks are being stalled until post 2024 election, as right now the current adminstration is very anti monopoly and mergers are seen as a challenge to pull off).

As far as the upscale experiments, I have some old editing software.   I can try some experiments to see if I can get a timeline going where I can edit the wide and close shots over the holidays.   Personally, I prefer the upscales because while consistently is nice, when I am sitting about 14 feet away from a tv, i'd rather than close ups look better and deal with some of the issues with the wider shots (which aren't quite as noticeable when you are further back).  But I get anyone who desires consistency.

The podcast I pointed to was very interesting.   They actually talked about removing grain because they said you almost have to because of the amount of noise. They actually also I think sometimes remove grain completely and then reapply a grain layer (but it's not simulated grain).  Maybe it is isolated from the original negative.  They also talked about how they can't do global settings on content but have to make changes individually for shots, whether it be coloring, grain, whatever.  Of course, these are professionals doing jobs for studios and content owners so they are gonna have to be perfectionists.  It was just interesting learning the art of what goes into it and they talked about how a lot of the original directors and cinematographers will actually try to correct things they didnt like about the original (deviating from the idea of a true preservation which fans may expect).

Some. More interesting notes: they try to spend not more than 100 hrs on the video end of a job but sometimes it takes 1000a of hours.  Apocalypse Now they spent  2700 hrs on because it has so many frames and they needed all of them for the various cuts.  Plus it was a all time great film so it was gonna get more focus As far as the audio part he said a good clean up could be done in as little as half a day.  He also said many ultra hd releases by studios are essentially updated blurays because I guess a lot of how they were made with the effects and everything were in 2k or something.  He referenced Blade Runner 2049 and Mad Max Fury Road as examples.

QuinnSlidr wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cH … U5Nw?ep=14


https://sadhillmedia.com/filmformally/s3e01

This was an interesting podcast for pneumatic, ireactions and jim_hall to check out.  It's about film preservation.  It was quite interesting.

I'll check it out as well. Thank you for sharing, RCLF!

No problem!

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cH … U5Nw?ep=14


https://sadhillmedia.com/filmformally/s3e01

This was an interesting podcast for pneumatic, ireactions and jim_hall to check out.  It's about film preservation.  It was quite interesting.

RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

Tracy hasn't appeared at his regular weekly appearance on the awake nation show for some time now (idk -- six weeks, two months?).  I have concerns.  It's not like he "departed" the show.  Obviously, he has had some health issues over the years.

I'm still worried about this.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

I had a free weekend for Starz, and I took advantage of that to watch John Wick 4.  But prior to that, I needed to rewatch the first three movies.  John Wick, for an original movie that is very straightforward and simple, has some of the most complex and fascinating world building that I'm aware of.  It's cartoonish and silly, but it's really interesting.

And what I like about it is that it's clearly a set of movies made by stunt guys that want to showcase some of the cool ideas they've had in the past.  The fights, while cartoonish, are choreographed in such a fun way.  And even though the movies start with John being a very vulnerable and human (and by the end, he's invincible), it still feels real (for the most part).  And because it was so stunt-focused, I think they could've gone the Fast and Furious route and just had John fight a brother out for revenge each movie, I think it's pretty cool that they decided to go with this outrageously complicated world.

And while I had to abandon everything else I was watching to watch these four movies over the holiday weekend, it was a lot of fun.  Keanu is great, the supporting characters are great, and the world is just a lot of fun to explore.

Anyone else like these movies?

I've been confused by their success frankly lol

Sliders should have came back as a Thanksgiving special.  Sigh.

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Grizzlor wrote:

Actor Peter Spellos, who played Jimmy Fountain in Eggheads, has died.  He played the bookie/gangster in that show, and was immortalized by being chosen for a two page "interview" in Brad Linaweaver's episode guide.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/a … ancer.html

For posterity here's Peter's interview from the Linaweaver book....

https://i.postimg.cc/WzdKcV8x/IMG-170050833244-F-2.jpg

that's very cool with the book.

he was excellent in Eggheads.  Quite memorable.  RIP.

Tracy hasn't appeared at his regular weekly appearance on the awake nation show for some time now (idk -- six weeks, two months?).  I have concerns.  It's not like he "departed" the show.  Obviously, he has had some health issues over the years.

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Grizzlor wrote:

so they'll be merging Hulu and Disney +?

i think  this is up in the air still

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ireactions wrote:

Bit late, but PRODIGY has been picked up by Netflix which will stream the first season and then, in 2024, the second season.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv … 235615236/

I didn't watch the show but this is great to see. 

Paramount Plus just wasn't going to succeed as a platform for kids. 

netflix must be to tv for the younger generation as what kleenex is to us for tissues.

Paramount Plus just didn't register nor count to them.  And the costs to make it so are just too great.

It's good to see that a viable show didn't die just because the platform wasn't right for it.  It's a similar idea with Girls5Eva moving from peacock to netflix.  New half hour comedies really weren't working well enough on peacock.

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It's kinda idiotic to me why people would question wearing a mask in a crowd at a hockey game. 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/actor-wi … ll-a-thing

It's not like he was wearing it outdoors.  Some people don't care if they don't get sick but some people do.  If you do, then the time to still mask is in a large crowd.

I've heard of people getting sick after attending sporting events.  I don't know really to what degree sporting events are places where transmission would be high because arenas/domes have huge ceilings and stadiums are open air.  They are not small enclosed spaces.  But if you are sitting next to the wrong person for 2 hours, well that might be an issue.

Anyway, it's weird that will wheaton had to explain himself but I do give him credit for the grace at which he answered this when the conversation shouldn't still be having to be had.  And that's not to say one shouldn't respect those who do the opposite. Live and let live, make choices right for you.  Anyway, I admire the way Wheaton handled this.  He's a good guy.

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That really sucks to hear TF.

Public Safety is the most undervalued asset of local government.  It's one of the core functions.

I am sure the governor is so divorced from the vital work, he shouldn't be making an efficiency optimization like that as he disrupts your work and seems to be draining the institutional knowledge around it.   Another sign of the dysfunction of the current times. Sigh.

History Channel had a Day in America: JFK Assassination three-part documentary.

I believe they may have cleaned up some of the archival footage.

It made me consider an interesting question: 

Should historical archival footage be enchanced via A.I. like topaz so we can more vividly re-witness the events in a more powerful way, to more viscerally see the images, or does the algorithms ultimately insert false images into the history books if it becomes what is used moving forward.  The inserted pixels etc become fact. 

This is a question with upgrading even tv shows with color changes, pixels, etc but it becomes even more salient with historical archival.

lol

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November 5, 1955!  That was the day Doc invented time travel.

"I remember it vividly. I was standing on the edge of my toilet hanging a clock, the porcelain was wet, I slipped, hit my head on the sink, and when I came to, I had a revelation!"

Happy November 5!

This is why I am always pro "the more IP, the better" (generally speaking, if a universe is really suffering from a lack of new on-going content). 

If there are misfires, some of it can usually be chalked up to making the numbers work.   I don't expect studios or distributors to take big bets to hope it reaches some breakout status or at least passes some critical threshold where more consumers discover it.   I think they need to do the best they can, while making reasonable bets and sometimes making sacrifices.   

For example, I would take a poor SLIDERS story narrated by any of the original four main actors and be happy just to have any of them doing the character again.  I'd still see it as a net gain.

I do think there can be a point of over-saturation though.  I can see a fan not being happy with a new introduction if they feel like they've already had their "fill" from other works and any new addition should only come into the picture if it won't dilute or harm the universe.

I can also see how it can be a bit disappointing to have something that doesn't hold up or you can't re-engage with because it just becomes bothersome to tolerate.

I'll always though have sympathy for the budgetary constraints in these situations because I think a lot of times we don't get new works from old properties because distributors or studios don't want to spend any money at all.

ireactions wrote:

I've been enjoying the multiple revivals of BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER, all set after the original TV show, all focusing on characters who aren't Buffy, all set in alternate continuities to each other. There's novel series SLAYER and CHOSEN by Kiersten White and the novel series IN EVERY GENERATION and ONE GIRL IN ALL THE WORLD by Kendare Blake as well as the Amazon Audible drama SLAYERS: A BUFFYVERSE STORY written by Amber Benson (!) with Christopher Golden and featuring James Marsters as Spike, Charisma Carpenter as Cordelia (!), Amber Benson as Tara, and Emma Caulfield as Anya (!). All three are separate stories that don't tie into each other. And while the Kiersten White series ties into the Dark Horse SEASON 8 comic books, the others choose their own path.

I'm especially astonished by the Audile because I honestly thought Amber Benson, Charisma Carpenter and Emma Caulfield were absolutely fed up with BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER. Also, their characters are all dead. But it turns out they're only fed up with it if Joss Whedon is involved, and they are happy to return if Amber Benson writes a story to bring them back.

I'll have more to say on all this later, but to bring BUFFY back as as spin-off media that focuses on new characters or supporting characters, and to give each product its own continuity.. well, that's intriguing.

Very interesting to hear they got an audible orignal!

It's frustrating that -- post series -- SLIDERS has not gotten any additional material introduced.  Not even in novel form.   They haven't given us jack sh!t.   Tracy writing sliders novels would be a dream!  If he were up to it.

Former FOX and NBC executive on reboots:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t … 0633336542

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First episode of Netflix's Blue Eye Samurai is free on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm73ma6Ibcs