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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

Yeah, I just can't lump in 70 million people to be like that guy.  I refuse to do to them what they've done to you/us.  When you de-humanize people, it becomes okay to eliminate them.  I don't want Trump voters to die, and I don't think you do either.  We gotta keep our eyes on who the real enemy is, and we can defeat him as soon as tomorrow.

I'm well aware that Trumpers are not all the same. I'm keep them at arm's length. Because I can't stand the circular arguments and less than intelligent assessments of what's going on in the world. Because all they watch is FOX News. I still have friends who are Trumpers. We just can't talk politics because it will devolve very quickly. Granted, these friends are very few in number and I've known them a long time before this Trumper crap started in 2016.

But, sadly, in every Trumper I have come across I see the same similar patterns of belief, self destructive and violent behavior and tendencies. I've come across many and it isn't an isolated incident.

If they're nice, I'll let it slide and treat them the same way. But if they're an a-hole, then we have a problem.

I just don't have the time or desire to deal with people who have a disposition where they think they know everything, and have no desire to admit that they are wrong if presented with the real facts and evidence proving them wrong.

I really hope with this election, we also get a democratic House along with the Senate so we can do some really good work. I'm just really, really tired of the last 9 years. And I'm ready to turn the page.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

Happy to jump in here.

And as far as valid reasons to vote for Trump, I still think a number of people are voting for the lives they had in 2016-2019 (they forget about 2020 or group it in with Biden's years).  If you don't pay attention to politics or watch cable news, it's easy to forget or not care about who's president.  It's easy to miss the things that Trump says or does.  I'm sure plenty of people have missed the violent rhetoric and are simply thinking "I liked my life better when he was president"

And while that's ignorant and naive, I do think it's valid.

Naaahhhh. These are Trumpers (example below). This is what Trumpers are and what they vote for, which is what makes their vote invalid.

They are all the mean and the bad in this country, basically. And President Biden was right calling them garbage.

Sorry, Slider_Quinn21. I don't think your assessment is accurate. They are well aware of Trump's vile and vulgar comments. They celebrate it because that's who they are. They believe that woke-ism is an affront on their right to be mean and racist. So now, they *are* that by default. Trump enables them. And Trump hates who they hate, so they vote for him because of it. I don't buy for one second that they are unaware of everything he has done. Trump is who they are, and that's why he attracts their votes.

From Reddit:


https://i.postimg.cc/CxpG4jjQ/image.png

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Grizzlor wrote:
QuinnSlidr wrote:

While some of your post is accurate (the endorsements and the Iowa poll) I cannot agree with your assessment of Joe Biden. President Biden is the best President ever besides Barack Obama, and has done a tremendous job with enforcing and addressing the policies within his administration.

Just because all republicans voted against the comprehensive Biden immigration bill at Trump (Hitler's) demand doesn't mean that Biden has been asleep at the wheel.

Also, no Trumper has a valid reason. All of them are based on lies and conspiracy theories spread by the orange menace himself. Until he is blocked from the White House permanently, we all have reason for concern.

If that were true, he wouldn't have one of the worst approval ratings in US history.  Biden's handling of the Southern border from the moment the courts ended the pandemic emergency rule keeping migrants out, has been absolutely pitiful.  He only began to "shut things down" late this summer, well over two years late.  It made no sense. 

Now you can dispute that, but you're arguing with the wrong person.  Biden's age, physical presence, and constant gaffes have literally frightened or frustrated voters away from him.  He has had a number of successes, but his inability to communicate those have rendered them and his candidacy moot.  Even Kamala gave up talking them up and switched to an anti-Trump message.  Biden is radioactive, he cannot speak without blurting out absurdities.

Well, I am going to dispute that. Every word you describe has described Trump (Hitler).

Why doesn't the media talk 24/7 about Trump's unending constant mental decline?
Why doesn't the media talk 24/7 about Trump's hatred of women, calling them "not human" in a FOX phone call interview?
Why doesn't the media talk 24/7 about Trump's continued decline in energy?
Why doesn't the media do the same thing to Trump when Trump is a thousand times worse than Joe Biden is currently?

President Biden has taken all the tests and his mental fitness is just fine.

One issue and President Biden is derided constantly. Many issues and Trump (Hitler) is not. Why?

Also, Trump refuses to release his cognitive tests. He should be held to the same standard.

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Grizzlor wrote:

I've already detailed the various reasons which people will vote for Trump.  Most have valid reasons, whether we decide to give them credence or not.  Democrats have allow themselves to generate messages focused on identity politics and away from economics, healthcare, and schooling.  Joe Biden has been asleep at the wheel on a variety of policies. 

The other day I mentioned that Kansas poll.  Well Kamala is flattening Trump in the heavily white/college Omaha Nebraska district.  And even whackier poll, from the incredibly well respected Ann Selzer, in Iowa.  Kamala LEADS by three points!!!  With huge leads on women and seniors.  Selzer has been remarkably accurate in Iowa general elections, she has never been off more than 5 points. 

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story … 354033007/

Harrison Ford endorses a candidate for the first time, speaking about the legion of Republican Generals and former Trump officials who are now against him.

https://twitter.com/CalltoActivism/stat … 2942118267

While some of your post is accurate (the endorsements and the Iowa poll) I cannot agree with your assessment of Joe Biden. President Biden is the best President ever besides Barack Obama, and has done a tremendous job with enforcing and addressing the policies within his administration.

Just because all republicans voted against the comprehensive Biden immigration bill at Trump (Hitler's) demand doesn't mean that Biden has been asleep at the wheel.

Also, no Trumper has a valid reason. All of them are based on lies and conspiracy theories spread by the orange menace himself. Until he is blocked from the White House permanently, we all have reason for concern.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

Yeah that's too many two-syllable words for Trump.

I've been reading some analysis from people on the ground.  It was from a Democratic guy on the ground, but he said in Wisconsin everything but the polling leans towards Harris.  That the Republicans don't really have a ground game or even much of an appearance of a ground game.  Heard similar things in Arizona and a couple other swing states.  The only thing that's pointing toward a potential Trump victory is a) the polling and b) the idea that the polling isn't leaning to the Republicans enough.

Early voting is obviously leaning Democrat but it's also really leaning female.  So either the women of this country are going to save us or are currently stabbing us in the back (and shooting themselves in the foot).  I think Democrats need to keep doing what they're doing but I also think Democrats need to surprise a bit on Election Day. 

And hoping beyond hope that Democrats are doing whatever they can to prepare for anything the MAGA base is going to try and to do disrupt voting or destroy votes.

I feel fairly confident that we got this, but I don't know how to incorporate illegal activities into my analysis.  So I'm just going to hope that someone else is considering all the ways this could go wrong.


Here are some more good and positive watches for you, Slider_Quinn21:

Allan Lichtman, who came up with the 13 keys to an election win, and who has predicted every modern election accurately, predicts a Kamala win (he called it a couple months ago and reinforces that his prediction hasn't changed):

https://www.youtube.com/live/etYKflo-J1 … kX_hw3hHMN


Jen Ruben: How Kamala is Winning The Election

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWjt-XthwXM

I'm still maintaining my state of cautious optimism, although these are encouraging.

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Trump Refers to Women as "Not Human Beings" in Phone Call With FOX News

https://x.com/ArtCandee/status/1852722526553526461

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

I don't even know if it's that complicated.  I think they've been lied to enough that they just believe it.  It's The Truman Show or Room (not The Room).  People accept the reality that's in front of them.  And if you're in an echo chamber where the only facts you see come, essentially, from Donald Trump...then you accept what he says.  Remember that a lot of these people live in communities where everyone votes for Trump.  Their families vote for Trump.  Online, they've built their online world to only accept right-leaning opinions.

So when your world looks like that, how else would you think?  Literally every opinion they see is pro-Trump and literally every opinion they see is anti-Democrat.  In their whole sample size, no one supports Harris.  And yet you want to tell them that in these faraway cities with their billionaires and super-crime and godlessness, they're all voting for some woman?  When literally no one I know even likes her or respects her?  When Trump has PROOF that it's all rigged?

I think it's as simple as that.  Lies that are spoken and reinforced a million times over that become the truth.

And this is exactly what Trump says - "if you say something often enough, whether it's a lie or the truth, anyone will believe it simply because it has been said so often." - paraphrased, of course. Mine's a bit more eloquent than the kind of language he would use.

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I saw this when it was first published, but it is worth reiterating here.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti … loyalists/

Trumpers have a mental disorder. A shared psychosis.

"What attracts people to Trump? What is their animus or driving force?

The reasons are multiple and varied, but in my recent public-service book, Profile of a Nation, I have outlined two major emotional drives: narcissistic symbiosis and shared psychosis. Narcissistic symbiosis refers to the developmental wounds that make the leader-follower relationship magnetically attractive. The leader, hungry for adulation to compensate for an inner lack of self-worth, projects grandiose omnipotence—while the followers, rendered needy by societal stress or developmental injury, yearn for a parental figure. When such wounded individuals are given positions of power, they arouse similar pathology in the population that creates a “lock and key” relationship.

“Shared psychosis”—which is also called “folie à millions” [“madness for millions”] when occurring at the national level or “induced delusions”—refers to the infectiousness of severe symptoms that goes beyond ordinary group psychology. When a highly symptomatic individual is placed in an influential position, the person’s symptoms can spread through the population through emotional bonds, heightening existing pathologies and inducing delusions, paranoia and propensity for violence—even in previously healthy individuals. The treatment is removal of exposure."

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ireactions wrote:

I hope he's right.

So do I. Here's more analysis from Allan Lichtman. You might have heard of him regarding his 13 keys to the election win (https://www.american.edu/cas/news/13-ke … -house.cfm). He hasn't reversed his prediction for Kamala at all. Instead,  he's doubled down.

He keeps saying that all the polls are under-estimating dems.

https://www.youtube.com/live/etYKflo-J1 … NklRlzRycR

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More analysis from Simon Rosenberg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUiBwmFTm4Q

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

I'd be shocked if she went on Rogan before Election Day.  I think she should've done it too, but I think the impact would be pretty small at this point.

It would be minimal. Rogan is already showing his anti-Kamala side though by putting out a statement calling her difficult to work with simply because he won't go to where she is to do the interview.

He needs to suck it up, pull up his balls like a real man, and do it if he really wants the interview. And stop being a wuss about it.

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Grizzlor wrote:

Simply gaining the endorsements of Elon Musk, Robert Kennedy II, bribery suspect Nichole Shanahan, Tulsi Gabbard, or other fringe formerly left-leaners, I don't perceive as doing much for Trump's support.  People don't vote based on endorsements.  Musk is now being sued by the AG of Pennsylvania over his $1 million "registration" prizes. 

I still think Kamala should have gone on Joe Rogan.  Rogan lathers his guests, he doesn't like to screw them over.  He allowed Trump to babble, but also laughed when he asked Trump for proof of 2020 fraud, and he of course had none. 

The national polls, and really the state polls, are effectively unchanged for 6 weeks.  There's just no movement at all.  Fine.  I did see some whacky polls in non-swing states.  For instance, there was a state poll from Kansas that showed Trump ONLY ahead by 5!  If he barely clears double-digits in KANSAS, wow.  Won't matter nationally, but it may matter in a crazy race for Senate in Nebraska, where GOP Incumbent Deb Fischer is tied with Independent Dan Osborn!  Absolutely astounding, and given those Kansas numbers, and what we saw in 2022, hmmm.

Here's the thing to consider, as I saw this on Twitter from Adam Carlson.  If you look at Trump's vote share in the BG states in 2016 and 2020, even when he WON some of them, those shares would not get it done now.  Not with any substantive 3rd-party.  That means Trump has to maximum MAGA (ceiling reached in 2020), plus he has to flip quite a few Biden '20 voters and/or create new voters.  This is what I've been harping on.  It's possible, yes, but the demographics don't favor this, not with Harris getting monstrous DEM enthusiasm.  For instance, can Trump actually approach or surpass the 50% mark in most of these states?  That's what it's going to take.  Personally, and this is where what Carville and others have reasoned, he cannot.  He has run such a MAGA-fueled campaign, littered with weirdos that reliable voters don't know or care for.  I just go back to feeling there's a ceiling for Trump, he will hit it and it won't be enough.

Kamala's still going on Joe Rogan. It hasn't disappeared. They're negotiating terms.

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I am still well aware of 2016 when they all said that Hillary had an 85% chance of winning the election right up to the morning of Super Tuesday. And yes I voted for Hillary too. Just like I voted for Kamala this time.

Except in 2016 I was still recovering from surgery to repair my right knee's quadriceps tendon. I had ripped it out of the knee socket completely after a bad slip and fall accident while bowling. Had surgery 9/22, and had complications from surgery requiring me to be in a locked knee brace 24/7, sitting in a chair and starting 6 months of wound care debridement treatment two months later on 11/22. Couldn't start PT until surgery wound healed in 2/2017. I remember that year vividly. I'm walking fully now without assistance, though, thankfully. Anyway...

I really really really don't want to see a repeat. And I am hoping that Dems are ready to break the trend.

Still erring on the side of being cautiously optimistic.

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If the crowds of over 75,000 at the National Mall during Kamala Harris' closing arguments are any indication...Kamala's gonna win...

https://x.com/acnewsitics/status/1851397654078714051

https://x.com/GetDown_LOWE/status/1851423768247239056

https://x.com/AZ_Brittney/status/1851417904224280912

https://x.com/kdawg0113/status/1851445168412434637

https://x.com/EdKrassen/status/1851402300172222804

https://x.com/kennethgootz/status/1851417064826617922

https://x.com/TheRickyDavila/status/1851416153639559315

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James Carville (Democratic strategist) on MSNBC: "I am certain Harris will win."

Paraphrased (no facts changed):

"Democrats have won every election over the past 2 years. There are over 273,000 Puerto Ricans in Pennsylvania. This MSG Nazi rally stunt is going to cost him Pennsylvania, and the same for Michigan. This is a community that will not react well to this over-the-top racism."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qau9ILf3exk&t=8s

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For anybody keeping track, Elon Musk has been in touch with not only Putin, but Russian First Deputy Chief of Staff Sergei Kiriyenko, who is also in charge of U.S. Russian disinformation campaigns, Tenet Media, and RT . com before these propaganda mills were shut down by the DOJ:

https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/musk-p … s-37e1c187

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Filmmaker Michael Moore predicts that Kamala Harris will win in a landslide.

Please note: I am characterizing my optimism as cautiously optimistic, in case 2016 happens again. I hope to God we're in the universe that this landslide win happens for her.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VyrzMthoEA

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I voted yesterday!! For the prosecutor Kamala Harris. Not the 34-time convicted felon Donold Trump.

big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile

https://i.postimg.cc/W1GWN1QZ/IMG-3072.jpg

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I'm nervous as all hell, with us being 10 days out from Super Tuesday. But clips like this give me hope...

With Bryan Cranston appearing with Adam Schiff!!

https://x.com/AdamSchiff/status/1850309941275635751

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Grizzlor wrote:
QuinnSlidr wrote:

So, ol' Elon has been having private conversations with Vladimir Putin.

Both Elon Musk and Trump are cancers on this country.

And North Korea. 

ireactions wrote:

I'm scared, Greg.

I haven't lost hope... but sometimes, hope just fills me with fear because I know how much it will hurt if that hope is proven false.

Look at the bright side, Trump will probably keel over from a heart attack or stroke, and JD Vance will be in charge...

Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

Stephen A Smith went on Hannity last night, and I think he might've actually been one of Kamala's best surrogates even though he doesn't particularly like her.

- He's a black Republican who said he would've voted for any Republican but Trump
- He tore Trump apart
- He out Hannityed Hannity

I think he spoke to a segment of the Fox News audience that thinks of themselves as conservative/Republican and is uncomfortable with Trump.  I think someone speaking emphatically about those same issues might influence some people.  Enough to make a difference?  Probably not.  But maybe.

She has the FAR better lineup of surrogates.  She has governors, Senators, ex-Presidents, popular celebrities.  Trump has losers, conspiracy-minded dopes, and basically, grifters like him. 

Stephen A. is no Republican though.  The ESPN guy?  Not a chance, but he's a great orator, and hates the Dallas Cowboys like me, ha ha.

Grizzlor - You and I are agreeing more and more as of late. For what it's worth, I'm glad you're not a right wing plant like I initially erroneously assumed.

Hopefully, Kamala wins, and Trump keels over of a heart attack the next day because he can't take it. It would be nice if he would face jail time and full sentencing in front of the entire world, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.

Also, Grizzlor, I think that much of the polling is wrong now. They do not have models that address what's going on - all of the republicans who are flipping and voting for Kamala Harris, or women who are voting. Or unlikely voters who are voting in droves this election. And polls tend to take errant sampling from small groups - usually around 2,800 people.

I think that Kamala is going to win in a massive landslide that we never saw coming because of these errant polls.

At least, I'd certainly like to think so.

Crossing fingers 12 days out.

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So, ol' Elon has been having private conversations with Vladimir Putin.

Both Elon Musk and Trump are cancers on this country.

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https://x.com/BlueATLGeorgia/status/1849646627444625512

https://x.com/MeidasTouch/status/1849630799529697552

https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/18 … 6416601535

https://x.com/DisavowTrump20/status/1849647336059781573

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ireactions wrote:

I'd like to believe this, but ominous vagaries, even if they're in favour of my preferences, are still just ominous vagaries.

Given how self-incriminating Trump is already, I'm not optimistic there is any bombshell left to be had. Bombshells for Trump have become background noise, unfortunately.

You have a point. Trump's cronies will not be swayed by:

1. Rape.
2. Incest.
3. 34-count felony convictions.
4. Racism.
5. Murder. (shooting somebody on 5th avenue and getting away with it)
6. Being in Putin's back pocket.
7. At least 91 criminal charges.
8. 2 Impeachments.
9. 26 sexual assault allegations.
10. Anti-semitism and worshipping Hitler.

Assuming it's not any of those, this is the Trump campaign we're talking about here. Die hard MAGATs already. For them to panic means it has to be something pretty bad that transcends all of the above that they are unable to handle.

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Apparently the Trump campaign is very panicked now about the bombshell that's about to drop.

October surprise indeed...

https://x.com/EdKrassen/status/1849221500177367265

https://i.postimg.cc/x14YMpf6/image.png

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Slider_Quinn21, You may like this perspective too. From Simon Rosenberg as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl-QcBl5gK4&t=63s

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

Very interesting.  Kamala is campaigning with Allred in Houston this week.  I'm super fascinated with this because I wonder what it's saying about her internals.  I would think that if the race was as close as the polling implies, she should be spending every possible second in one of the battleground states.  Campaigning with Allred, who I don't expect to win, seems like a waste of time.  Even if the Allred race is looking better than we think, if we lose the White House but pick up one seat in the senate, is that worth it?  I'd rather win the White House and lose the Senate.  Or obviously have Kamala campaign in the battlegrounds and get someone else to campaign with Allred in Houston (Beto, Liz Cheney, one of the Obamas, etc).

So this is either a really weird strategy (as weird as Trump campaigning in California or New York), or something is happening.  There's a sense in Democrat circles that Harris is winning by more than we think.  The way Trump is acting, the way Harris is campaigning, the money on the ground, the people on the ground, and some of the crosstab stuff we're seeing is making people think.  I don't know if that's the case, but for her to come to Texas, I think one of these needs to be true:

1. Her internal data is so confident that she will win that they're willing to donate some of her time to Allred to try and get her a blue senate
2. She's going to be in Houston for some sort of VP work, and her internals look good enough that she's not rushing to a nearby battleground state (Arizona or Georgia would be a quick trip) to maximize her time
3. She's doing something at the border and has time to swing by to help Allred.  But basically the same point as #2 except if she's going to the border, why wouldn't she go to the Arizona border to do two birds with one stone?  And is there enough time to maximize on some sort of border stunt?
4. Allred is close enough that they're looking to make some sort of push to get people out.  But is Kamala the right surrogate for that if the race is really super close?  Beto, Liz Cheney, Mayor Pete, or someone else would probably make more sense so that Kamala and Walz can keep their eyes on the prize.
5. Kamala is losing by so much that it doesn't matter if she campaigns or not, and this is some sort of investment in trying to energize the Texas Democrats with the idea of flipping Texas in the future.  I don't buy that, and if she's actually losing by a ton, I don't think she'd even help with that.  If that's the case, they'd be better off sending Obama.

I guess the other options are 6) something I'm not thinking of, 7) it's some kind of meaningless thing that doesn't say anything, or 8) it's just a mistake by the Harris campaign.  I think 7 and 8 are basically the same thing because if there's no reason to go, she's wasting a precious campaign day on a race that neither person can win.  It's the same kind of stupid mistake Trump is making with his rallies in California and New York.

Anyone have any perspective?

This one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK4AowD6okI

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On an entirely separate note: I don't believe much of anything related to astrology or any of that stuff, but in atypical Wade fashion I figured I'd pop over to some of those videos to see what they are talking about regarding the election. The trends of these videos are interesting because they have several commonalities. And I thought it was worth mentioning one aspect that many of these videos talk about, is that the position of the planets (specifically Mars vs. Saturn) indicates that Trump's planetary positions (Mars) shows that he will be suffering a massive and humiliating loss. One video even predicts two Presidential terms for Kamala Harris (due to her Saturn planetary positions and other aspects).

I take any predictions for this election with a grain of salt, though.

Brad Schwartz of the CW actually said this:

Following the February announcement, Schwartz clarified that the series was cancelled due to James Gunn’s Superman. “They don’t want a competing Superman product in the marketplace,” he stated to TheWrap.

In spite of the ironic titling of this article...

https://www.superherohype.com/news/5854 … james-gunn

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Don't get me wrong. I'm still gonna give the James Gunn version of Superman a chance. I just wish that there was the ability to have Superman & Lois run as well. There can be two different versions/universes showing at the same time.

ireactions wrote:

It seems to me like the situation is another part of the budget reduction where some of the former cast can only be in three episodes because it's what production can afford to pay. Interestingly, on social media, this actor said that he wasn't going to be in the fourth season at all, only to later be seen in on-set photos.

Apparently we were supposed to get at least 7 seasons of Superman and Lois until James Gunn entered the picture.

Le sigh. What could have been.....

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Not news to me. But good to have the facts spelled out. lol lol lol lol lol

Sorry MAGA, it's a FACT: Economy does better under Dems

https://youtu.be/wtu_2-qRkmw?si=VwZdBk8dsbm2NGnz

SPOILERS AHEAD FOR SUPERMAN AND LOIS EPISODE 3

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I enjoyed watching Jonathan get his powers finally in episode 3 of Superman and Lois. This was a close to a penultimate moment for him, and he acts a lot like his dad and is overjoyed. I did not want to see Sam Lane die. The last 30 seconds was perfect and I am glad they are not dwelling on deaths.

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ireactions wrote:

Trump's demands that Kamala be forced off are obviously projection: he is angry because Joe Biden was his preferred opponent.

And he's also angry because she is winning in so many states where he is not.

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LOL. Good luck with that. He wants this to happen because he knows he is losing. Badly. That's why he's cancelling every public appearance and limiting them to scripted events (like the Al Smith Dinner where he was looking at a script the whole time looking down at the podium).

Trump says Harris should be ‘forced off’ campaign, wants Biden back

Donald Trump initially said Kamala Harris shouldn't be “allowed” to run against him. Now he wants her “forced off” the campaign trail.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho … rcna176073

Nearly a decade into his career in politics, Donald Trump has consistently argued that his potential rivals shouldn’t be permitted to stand between him and power. In October 2015, for example, the Republican said Hillary Clinton shouldn’t be “allowed” to run for president. In February 2016, Trump said Ted Cruz was “not allowed” to run for president, either. A month later, the future president said John Kasich shouldn’t have been “allowed” to run against him in a GOP primary.

Ahead of Election Day 2020, Trump said Joe Biden shouldn’t have been “allowed” to run for president. In July 2024, he said Kamala Harris shouldn’t be “allowed” to run, either.

Four months later, as a HuffPost report noted, the former president insisted that the Democratic vice president should now be “forced off” the campaign trail.

In a Thursday post on his Truth Social platform, former President Donald Trump argued that Vice President Kamala Harris ‘should be investigated and forced off the Campaign,’ thereby allowing President Joe Biden ‘to take back his rightful place’ at the top of the Democratic ticket. Trump did not specify what he believes Harris — who became the Republican’s rival in the White House race after Biden dropped his reelection bid this summer — should be investigated for.

In recent weeks, as the GOP nominee has struggled to come up with a coherent closing message, he’s fixated on a handful of preoccupations, including his desire to see Biden return to the ballot, his baseless “60 Minutes” conspiracy theory and his insistence that Harris should stop running against him.

Remarkably, in a pair of odd online missives, Trump managed to tie all three threads together in one weird package.

The harangue began with this item, in which the Republican called for “60 Minutes” to be “IMMEDIATELY TAKEN OFF THE AIR,” argued that CBS should “LOSE ITS LICENSE” to broadcast, said Harris “should be investigated and forced off the Campaign,” and concluded that Biden should “allowed to take back his rightful place” on the Democratic ticket.

Less than a minute later, Trump added strange new details to his “60 Minutes” conspiracy theory — he believes CBS News producers might have “‘CREATED’ many additional new answers for her” as part of the broadcast — before wrapping things up with a veiled threat.

“RELEASE THE TAPES FOR THE GOOD OF AMERICA,” the GOP nominee wrote. “We can do it the nice way, or the hard way!”

What, exactly, would “the hard way” entail? He didn’t say, and your guess is as good as mine, though the phrasing was certainly ominous.

There’s no point in going line by line through Trump’s rants, pointing out every error of fact and judgment, though it’s difficult to brush off the Republican’s insistence that his major-party opponent “should be investigated and forced off the Campaign,” despite the fact that she’s done nothing wrong.

It’s one thing to say that a rival candidate is undeserving of support, but it’s far more pernicious to argue that a rival shouldn’t even be permitted to seek support. The former is normal; the latter is authoritarian.

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Harris Will Beat Trump Decisively; Most Polls Are WRONG - Here's Why

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK4AowD6okI

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ireactions wrote:

I am really scared.

But I am continuing to fulfill my responsibilities and do the things I need to do for myself and others.

I'm afraid, but I'm trying not to let it stop me from doing anything.

Don't let positive polls for Trump fool you. There are at least 30 right wing organizations who are flooding the polling pool with positive polls in an effort to increase their averages. That's how they generate their averages.

This is why I generally don't trust polls. The proof is in the vote. Also: polls don't decide elections. The voters do.

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Kamala is also doing a Town Hall right now on CNN with Charlamagne Tha God. She is going everywhere. Next week she has a CNN Town Hall moderated by Anderson Cooper on 10/23.

Go Kamala!!! So much for Trump (Hitler)'s BS about she's not doing any public interviews. Hahahaha!!!

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

A couple interesting developments:

1. Kamala Harris has released her medical records and is punishing Trump on the idea that he won't release his.  It's getting some national traction.  It obviously won't lead to Trump releasing anything, but maybe if it gets enough attention, it can bring back "Trump is old and obviously in decline" back into the national discussion in the next few weeks.

2. Kamala is doing an interview on Fox News.  This will be the first time that I assume a lot of Fox News viewership will get exposed to a one-on-one interview with her.  If Cheney-like Republicans are willing to give her a chance and willing to vote for her, it could be a great opportunity to make a difference.  And just like point #1, there is zero chance that Trump would go onto a hostile network and face tough questions.

3. Kamala is also apparently going on Joe Rogan.

Not a fan of Joe Rogan here, but I never thought I'd see the day that this would happen.

I can see FOX news, though...and Trumpers are having meltdowns over it. LOL

Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

Superman & Lois is back for its final season with two new episodes.  I liked both of them.  I think Tyler Hoechlin is a really good Clark Kent.  I still feel like he's a little small for Superman, but like Tom Welling, I think he has an innocent hopefulness that I feel like Clark should have.  I think he comes across as someone fearless but gentle which I appreciate.

It's an abbreviated final season so it's already 20% done.  And the producers said they'll do something to honor the legacy of the Arrowverse.  Which, of course, we've heard before big_smile

I enjoyed both of these episodes too. I think Tyler Hoechlin and Henry Cavill are two of my favorite portrayals of modern Superman. Christopher Reeve being my absolute favorite that nobody can top.

I don't think big muscles or size alone makes Superman. But properly portioned athleticism, combined with the right personality and acting that Tyler portrays, does wonders. I think Bitsie Tulloch makes an excellent Lois Lane. Her performance as Lois is always top-notch. And she puts a good spin on the character.

Have you seen the latest season 4 trailer? I can't wait to see the scene where Clark tells Sam Lane his real identity in the episode itself.

As an avid Superman watcher, I should have known that they would be tackling the death of Superman at some point. As I've grown attached to these characters, so has my grief with the death of Superman. My stepdad died less than 24 hours after an abdominal aortic aneurysm rupture last year in July. And that grief came rushing back in the final 10 minutes of the second episode.

I hope they bring back Superman fairly fast, and that they don't dwell too much on the loss.

I don't think the heart Lex stomped on was Superman's real heart. But I can certainly understand Johnathan's and the family's sense of loss and their confusion during this time of grief. Anyway, Lex isn't going to simply destroy his prized possession so unilaterally. Plus, it wouldn't be that destroyable by a human being.

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My opinion? She just won the election.

Well done, Madam President!!!!


https://x.com/harris_wins/status/1843830270384058526

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

Kamala has kicked up her media game - at least to the point where it's noticeable to me in Texas.  She has done a couple podcasts (one aimed at black men and another at women), she did the 60 Minutes interview, and she's doing local/regional stuff in the battlegrounds.  I think she's doing Howard Stern too.

Trump is just doing stuff for his base and his rallies.  He's not making any effort to recruit new voters.  So if there are undecided voters willing to give her a chance, she's reaching them.

I think her campaign is doing a good job.  There's talk of spending money on an informercial that could be aired in battlegrounds and nationally.  Obama did something similar in 2008.  Might as well with all the money she has.  And I saw Walz went on Fox News which I still think is important.  I don't think it's smart to assume that every Fox News voter will vote for Trump.

I'm starting to feel a bit more optimistic that the polls are right or that the polls are underestimating Harris.  It's very nerve-wracking to know that a test for the soul of my nation is a month away, but I'll vote for her in a couple weeks and I'll know that I did my part.

Indeed, Kamala is kicking her media game into the stratosphere. Let's win 2024.

https://x.com/harris_wins/status/1843301914643222910

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

Yeah, I guess I mean "is this reaching uninformed voters?"  Because I'm not sure those voters watch any cable news, and I'm assuming (from the friends I know that are like this) that their social media is specifically aimed at avoiding any political news.  I've mentioned this before but the only news my wife gets is from the Today show on NBC, and I just looked at their web site and I don't see it mentioned at all.  And while that's a pretty light show from the bits I watch, they do cover breaking news and stories like that.  And I think this is a story that could hypothetically divert votes from Trump, but I think the bases (who will not be dissuaded) are the only ones that even know about it.

As a journalism guy, I've been pretty annoyed at the media.  I know that all these news outlets are owned by billionaires that are friendly to Trump, but they just don't cover Trump the way they covered Biden.  And I get that Trump's speech the other day where he was slumped over and slurring wasn't as big a stage as the debate, but if Biden had made a speech like that four months ago, it would've been front page news.  And it barely registered.

And if I'm the Harris campaign, I just don't know how you reach people to show them what Trump is in 2024.  I honestly think she'd do better if the news networks aired Trump's stuff live more.  That's where you see the really crazy stuff, and that's where you see his age showing.  The dude is tired because he's old.

******

I'm basically easing into a zone for this election.  If polls are right, Kamala will win the blue wall and Nevada and she has a chance to win all seven battleground states.  If polls are underestimating Trump, he wins - maybe with more electoral votes than Biden got in 2020.  I do think there are some encouraging signs around mail-in voting and early voting, and I'm hoping that those numbers represent Democrats the way they did in the past because that would mean Trump's banking on a lot of people that don't usually vote getting out to vote on a very specific day.

There's good signs for the economy.  The longshoremen didn't strike.  I think the worst news for Harris is the stuff in the Middle East and this romanticism of the Trump years.  If we can just get enough people in Pennsylvania to just feel like things are okay, and enough of them can just get annoyed by what Trump has been doing the last few weeks....I think she's in good shape.

*******

And going back to my point about non-Trump Republicans.  These guys are avoiding so many questions.  They're not spewing Trump's lies.  They're not disputing them, which is important to note, but they're not going along with them.  I think that's all the evidence I need that these guys are bad people but that our politics has a shot to heal once this nonsense is over and Trump is gone.

I agree with you.

The one thing that I've observed is that Trump is no longer even trying at all to do anything consequential or even close to it. Why? He is counting on the republican-led House and Supreme Court to overturn votes and reinstate him as President.

I hope that we get the blue tsunami landslide for Harris & Walz that we are hoping for. Magnitudes larger than Hillary's win in 2016 so it cannot be disputed. In both the popular vote and the electoral college.

Crossing fingers.

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Grizzlor wrote:

If you are someone who finds the accusations against Trump damning, you're not voting for him.  There's NOBODY left to persuade on that end.  Criminals have been elected before, people vote selfishly. 

The bigger story was Vance refusing to say Trump lost.  Bigger story should be the big job numbers from September.  Or Pete Buttigieg resolving the potentially disastrous longshoremen strike in just days.  Or Joe Biden and Kamala visiting the hurricane victims in Western NC.

I don't disagree with you, Grizzlor. This is spot on.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

Is the mainstream media covering this?  I think a lot of what I've read is damning, but I'm wondering if it's reaching the undecided / unfinalized voters that could be swayed by this information.

It also makes me upset at Merrick Garland because this should've been slam dunked a long time ago.  I know that this stuff takes time, but from the accounts I've read, DOJ didn't get involved until after the 1/6 hearings.  And obviously its too late for this election, and a 50/50 election might put the whole thing in jeopardy when this should've already been wrapped up.  The documents case got derailed by bad luck (although freakin' Cannon got the assassin trial too which makes me wonder if it's luck at all), but the DC case would've been done if not for a two year delay.

It's been all over social media and the news as soon as it broke yesterday. MSNBC. CNN. etc. FOX News is even reporting the truth, which made the rounds on social media  (that Trump resorted to crimes in order to stay in power). Which is highly unusual.

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ireactions wrote:

Wow. I will probably carve out some time to read it on Saturday.

You may have seen some of these talking points on the news already, depending on the news available in your area. But, based just on what's in the document:

1. Pence told Trump there was no evidence of voter fraud. Trump perpetuated the lie anyway.
2. Trump staffers pushed for violence when they saw it could boil over. They said "Make them riot." and "Do it."
3. When Pence was being moved to another location Trump said "So what."

It was all known. It was all orchestrated as part of the coup. Trump has no right to feign ignorance. He knew it all. And did it all.

Even FOX News is now starting to tell the truth: that "he resorted to crimes to stay in power."

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lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

Read Jack Smith's Unsealed Court Filing Against Donald Trump

https://www.newsweek.com/read-jack-smit … mp-1962895

S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan on Wednesday made public a lengthy filing from special counsel Jack Smith in his investigation into former President Donald Trump's alleged efforts to interfere with the transfer of power following the 2020 election.

Read the full 165-page filing below.

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I'm feeling very good about the election too, Slider_Quinn21. Trump (Hitler) continues to decline mentally on a daily basis. He continues to insult Kamala, and more people continue to leave his rallies.

I don't feel bad about his supporters at all. They've made their choice. They can lie in it when it's over.

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I don't know why Nate Silver is given any kind of air time anymore, since it has been proven that he is nothing but a Trumper spreading right wing lies that benefit Trump. I snipped the right wing propaganda from the article. If you want to read it, you can go to Newsweek.

Anyway......

Kamala Harris' Chances Surge in Major Election Forecast

https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris- … st-1960686

Kamala Harris has seen a significant boost in her 2024 election prospects, according to a major new forecast.

The Economist's latest election forecast shows that Harris now has a 3 in 5 chance of winning the Electoral College in November, compared to Donald Trump's 2 in 5 chance. This marks the vice president's strongest position since becoming the Democratic presidential candidate. The forecast also shows that Harris is expected to pick up 281 Electoral College votes, while Trump is expected to win only 257.

Over the past three weeks, Harris' chances have risen sharply by 10 percent, up from an even split with Trump on September 8, when both had a 50-50 chance of victory, with the Democrat predicted to pick up 270 Electoral College votes—just enough to win—while the Republican was predicted to win 268 votes.

Harris' overall chances of winning the election have also increased by 6 percent since September 8, from 52 percent to 58 percent, while Trump's chances have declined by 7 percent, from 48 to 41 percent.

Meanwhile, the forecast shows that the vice president is predicted to win in four swing states—Nevada, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin—while Trump is predicted to triumph in Georgia, North Carolina and Arizona.

[snip right wing propaganda against Harris]

It has been another positive week for the vice president in the polls. The most recent Outward Intelligence poll, conducted between September 22 and 26, put Harris 6 points ahead nationally among 1,735 likely voters.

Another poll, conducted by Echelon Insights, which was cofounded by former Republican digital strategist Patrick Ruffini and pollster Kristen Soltis Anderson, found that Harris is 7 points ahead of Trump in a head-to-head matchup, on 52 percent to his 45 percent. The poll surveyed 1,005 likely voters between September 23 and 25.

A Clarity Campaign Labs poll from September 24 also put Harris 7 points ahead.

However, some polls conducted in the last week, including a survey by Quinnipiac University put Trump 1 point ahead when third-party candidates were included, while the two nominees were tied in a head-to-head matchup. A CNN/SSRS poll conducted between September 19 and 22 also showed Harris and Trump neck and neck among registered voters when third-party candidates were included.

However, despite fluctuating polls, Harris remains ahead in every polling aggregator. For example, FiveThirtyEight's polling tracker puts the vice president 2.8 points ahead, on 48.6 percent to Trump's 45.7 percent.

The pollster's forecast also shows Harris has a 57 percent chance of winning the election, picking up 283 Electoral votes to the Republican's 255.

Race to the White House gives Harris a 60 percent chance of winning the election, with 289 Electoral College votes to Trump's 248.

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Keeping my cautious but hopeful paradigm going.......

Trump Suddenly Behind in Pennsylvania, New Polls Show

https://newrepublic.com/article/186182/ … polls-show

TL;DR: Harris is 50 points ahead of Trump's 46 points.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/19/us/p … vania.html

If Donald Trump loses Pennsylvania, he almost certainly will lose the presidential election. Now, all of a sudden, we have four new high-quality polls showing Kamala Harris ahead, though some others show it tied. Why the heck is Pennsylvania so close? What is really going on there? Should we believe the polls? Or not? We chatted with Democratic strategist Rebecca Katz, who is from Pennsylvania herself, worked on Senator John Fetterman’s victorious 2022 campaign, and knows something about winning there. Katz explained what Harris’s path to victory in the state looks like—and the looming obstacles that still keep her awake at night. Listen to this episode here.

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Grizzlor wrote:
ireactions wrote:

I think my terror is probably about us here in Canada, where we are staring down the barrel of an election where the advantage is with this climate change dismissing looney toon who is basically Trump lite.

What do you mean?  Think of all the "seafront" property who will have up in Canada thanks to global warming.  Trump told the good folks in Michigan about that tonight on stage.

My guess is ireactions is referring to JD Vance as Trump's mini me. I think he is every bit as dangerous as Trump is. Probably more so.

Check out this ditty he said yesterday:

"JD Vance says the United States’ support for NATO should be contingent on Europe’s support for Elon Musk and Twitter."

https://x.com/patriottakes/status/1836086093500047455

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After the debate, the new Reuters poll has Harris at 47% and Trump only at 42% to win in November.

God I hope it's a landslide.........

Harris vs. Trump: Who is leading the polls?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/harris … 024-09-12/

WASHINGTON, Sept 12 (Reuters) - Democratic U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris leads Republican Donald Trump 47% to 42% in the race to win the Nov. 5 presidential election, increasing her advantage after a debate against the former president that voters largely think she won, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll that closed on Thursday.
The two-day poll showed Harris with a five percentage point lead among registered voters, just above the four-point advantage she had over Trump in an Aug. 21-28 Reuters/Ipsos poll.

Among voters who said they had heard at least something about Tuesday's debate, 53% said Harris won and 24% said Trump won, with the rest saying neither had or not answering. Some 52% of those familiar with the debate said Trump stumbled and didn't appear sharp, while 21% said that of Harris. Among Republican voters, one in five said Trump didn't appear sharp.

Harris, 59, put Trump, 78, on the defensive in a combative presidential debate with a stream of attacks on his fitness for office and his myriad legal woes, highlighting Trump's felony conviction on charges he falsified business records. Some 52% of voters familiar with the debate said Harris "gave the impression of having higher moral integrity," compared to 29% who said the same of Trump.

Many Republicans were also not convinced about their candidate's performance in the debate in Philadelphia. Some 53% of Republican voters in the poll said Trump won the debate, compared to 91% of Democrats who said she was the victor. Among Republicans, 31% said no one won and 14% said Harris got the better of Trump.

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This woman is incredible. She is on the attack now. Trump (Hitler) continues to get more flustered and flustered and incoherent.

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Oh Trump (Hitler) is flustered now. He's the first during this debate to start screaming out of turn with the mic muted.

LOL

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I am hoping Harris comes out swinging and looking Presidential as always. And that she catches Trump (Hitler) off guard and he goes home crying about how it's all rigged and all so unfair. Bonus points if she can get him to call her names and get more well...Trumpian...!!!

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There is a continued outspokenness of honestly generally okay don't-drink-the-kool-aid republicans who are voting for VP Kamala Harris instead of Trump. Including Dick Cheney.

Also, I have a feeling in this election year, polls are downright worthless. Every single democrat with a democratic spine is going to vote for her. And I have a feeling we are going to have a blue tsunami this year.

Anything else is mostly right wing posturing.

Remember...even Kevin McCarthy came out and said republicans are likely to lose this election. KEVIN MCCARTHY.

That is something I thought I'd never hear somebody of his ilk say.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:
QuinnSlidr wrote:

Oh, he's already done that. He flip flopped immediately on bad public reaction and lost pro-lifers.

Yeah, that's what I was referring to.  I wonder what kind of language he's going to use when abortion comes up tomorrow.  If he says "reproductive rights" in an attempt to court women, he might lose pro-lifers.  If he doesn't say that, he could continue to lose women that aren't MAGA or crazy pro-life.  I actually don't understand what his original pivot was about because I feel like those groups of people were already pretty clear on what camp they were in.  Pro-lifers are pretty one-issue people, and they already have what they want.  If they feel like they just need to play defense in the Senate and that the Supreme Court is pretty safe, a less-than-pro-life Donald Trump doesn't give them anything.

Now those people won't vote for Kamala Harris, but I'll take a nullified Trump vote.

He originally flipped because FOX News asked him how he would vote on Floridian legislation on their six week abortion ban, and he said he would vote "no" because he was losing too many voters and was under fire from the Harris campaign for being pro life. And there was also the recent very public outcry against Project 25's goal to ban all abortion nationwide. This answer to FOX News resulted in massive backlash against him from pro-lifers and, of course, he realized his mistake against his base all too late, so he flipped on IVF in order to retain and maybe gain some voters from the pro choice side. He has no idea what he's doing and he's grasping at straws at this point.

Trump moves to contain fallout of abortion, IVF backlash

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international … 955_4.html

The rift widened as he hit out at his home state Florida's six-week abortion ban, calling it too restrictive and suggesting he planned to vote for an upcoming ballot measure that would make the procedure legal until a fetus becomes viable.

Trump, 78, walked back the comment ahead of a rally in the battleground state of Pennsylvania on Friday, telling Fox News that "I will be voting no." But conservatives had already begun criticizing Trump's ever-shifting positions on abortion, with a new Republican policy platform dropping calls for a national ban and the tycoon's recent claim that his government would be "great" for reproductive rights. The pushback from anti-abortion groups on his latest remarks was swift, with activists warning that he risks alienating his base.

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Slider_Quinn21:

I think there's a chance that Trump says or does something that loses him pro-life voters, but I don't think those people go to Kamala.  It can help her if they don't vote for him, but obviously it's better if they get those votes.  And there's just no way they vote for her.  Maybe I'm underestimating it, but I think the endorsements of the Cheneys doesn't move the needle much.  I think the Bush/Cheney conservatives have already left, and I think Liz has been openly anti-Trump for a long-enough time that nothing would change.

Oh, he's already done that. He flip flopped immediately on bad public reaction and lost pro-lifers:

Trump says he wants to make IVF treatments paid for by government or insurance companies if elected

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald … rcna168804

POTTERVILLE, Mich. — Former President Donald Trump said in an interview with NBC News on Thursday that if he is elected, his administration would not only protect access to in-vitro fertilization but would also have either the government or insurance companies cover the cost of the expensive service for American women who need it.

"We are going to be, under the Trump administration, we are going to be paying for that treatment," Trump said before adding, "We're going to be mandating that the insurance company pay."

Asked to clarify whether the government would pay for IVF services or whether insurance companies would do so, Trump reiterated that one option would be to have insurance companies pay "under a mandate, yes."

Abortion and IVF have been political liabilities for the GOP this year. Democrats have blasted Republicans over IVF in recent months, saying GOP-led restrictions on abortion could lead to restrictions on IVF, as well.

In a statement, Sarafina Chitika, a spokesperson for Vice President Kamala Harris' campaign, said that "Donald Trump’s own platform could effectively ban IVF and abortion nationwide" and that "because Trump overturned Roe v. Wade, IVF is already under attack and women’s freedoms have been ripped away in states across the country. There is only one candidate in this race who trusts women and will protect our freedom to make our own health care decisions: Vice President Kamala Harris.”

RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:
Grizzlor wrote:

https://x.com/MrJerryOC/status/18324981 … g&s=19

Getting the team back together...

https://i.postimg.cc/Mvg3rPWc/Screenshot-20240907-154252.png

How cool is that?


INCREDIBLE (to see these two guys together again)


It really is INCREDIBLE. And to see the words "Getting the team back together..."

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https://x.com/7Veritas4/status/1831658115621663055

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For anyone not paying attention over the last 24 hours...the DOJ just cracked down on two of some of the most well-known personalities amplifying Russian Election Disinformation Campaigns from the following folks:

Tim Pool
Benny Johnson

I would beware of Elon Musk too.

https://x.com/cwebbonline/status/1831684279233044507

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https://x.com/nickreeves9876/status/1831615664647274662

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Please somebody do something about my blood pressure. I just had to tune into the CNN JD Vance interview and it was a train wreck of lies. Every word from that couch humper took my blood pressure up 10 points per word. Shame on CNN for providing that couch humper with a platform. Yes, I did watch Kamala and Tim's interview last night and it was masterful. Anyway......

Top lies from the interview aka JD Vance is a freaking liar:

"Trump just wants the Dobbs decision to go back to the states the federal government should not decide what Christian hospitals can do." - Me: Ugh. 'nuff said. A vote for Trump is a vote for the end of women's rights.

"Kamala opened up the border." - Me: See next comment.

"She hasn't done anything in 3.5 years about the border and saying that she wants to do something about the border while looking in the eyes of the American people is shameful." Me: Yeah because your people killed the border bill on Trump's order.

"We have top democrats working for us who voted against Kamala in 2020 including RFK Jr." Me: HAHAHAHAHAHA - RFK Jr. is a right wing extremist anti-vaxx conspiracy theorist nut job with a brain worm, you fool. Where have you been?

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ireactions wrote:
QuinnSlidr wrote:

ireactions - You did ask for a representative. The other James above that you mention is not a government rep. smile Otherwise I probably would have included who you did.

Semantics, I know...oh, well...

I think you are confused. The James Carville Jr. you mentioned and quoted is the same person I quoted. Carville Jr. is not a Republican. However, Carville Jr. is also strongly opposed to the social justice focus of a number of Democrats, in particular Bernie Sanders.

On further review you are correct. Nevermind!

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Indeed.

https://x.com/AnnieForTruth/status/1827669373525618869

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