In the show I was watching, the character was already in prison and it was so fast that no one knew it happened
1,141 2020-11-13 17:03:56
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1,142 2020-11-13 15:16:21
Topic: The Lightning Fast Fictional Justice System (2 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I was going to add this to the DC post, but I think this is an interesting topic that probably has a ton more examples than I can think of.
But I'm watching a certain DC show and a certain character got himself intentionally arrested (there, I'm being vague enough not to have to put spoiler tags). And the whole thing is sorta played out in the cold open as a musical montage. Getting booked, going to trial, and getting shipped off to jail.
It's fine to move the plot along. But at the same time, events that were happening elsewhere seem to have *just* happened. This character was arrested, booked, went to trial, was convicted, and was sentenced in a few days? Maybe? Based on what's happening in other stories, it might've only been one day.
According to some very lazy research, from start to finish, the average time from crime to prison is six months. Even if you plead guilty (like this character did), it still takes a while to get in front of a judge. The definition of "speedy trial" seems to be about a month.
And I see this a lot. I'm sure it happens a lot in shows like Law and Order, but one show I watched over the summer was Oz. That was a show that tried to focus on the reality of live in prison, but they had death penalty cases that are tried and sentenced and carried out over the course of maybe a few weeks? It got to be pretty laughable as people are shuffled in and out of jail with essentially no time passing.
I get that shows like these don't want to sit around for weeks and months for the legal process to work itself out, but it seems like something that most shows are happy to fast-forward through unless that's essentially the whole point.
Anyone else have any examples of crazy-fast legal proceedings on TV?
1,143 2020-11-13 15:01:43
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Yeah they say 60% of it goes to pay off campaign debt, but from what I read, anything under $8000 they can do whatever they want with.
I'm wondering if they have to legally pay the money back if they don't do the recount in Wisconsin. It feels weird for Trump to pay $3.5 million to do a pointless recount if he can just pocket it. I wonder if he'll concede right around then and just walk away with all that money.
In other news, Trump is hinting that he may not even come to these Stop the Steal rallies. If he won't even come to a lovefest rally, we know he's in terrible shape emotionally.
1,144 2020-11-13 11:55:23
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I think the more Trump focuses on his pointless lawsuits, the less time he has for governing and screwing up America.
Well that's the thing. Other than the attention and inability to be prosecuted, what is Trump wanting out of the job? It's been a week and he's done *nothing*. I don't remember who I'm quoting, but he seems to be doing everything he can to keep a job he doesn't even want.
That said, he is also laying the groundwork for a future authoritarian dictator to use the same playbook to steal an election but with more competence than Trump possesses.
This is my real fear. I guess the good news is that such a person isn't really on the horizon. If Trump is truly talking about 2024, then I think he's almost certainly the nominee. No Republican has stood up to him yet, and I don't think anyone will between now and then. If Trump runs again in 2024, then I think he'll do everything he can between now and 2028 to set up Don Jr. and Ivanka to run in 2028.
None of Trump's kids are capable of anything like their father so I'd think we're at least 2032 before there's anyone who can follow in Trump's footsteps. Hopefully 12 years down the line, we'll have the US in a more secure place.
1,145 2020-11-13 11:49:11
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Yeah, I thought that was strange too. I also don't know what Starman had to say about it, either. Especially since the staff seems to react to certain people and not to others. Sylvester could've passed the staff to Pat, and it could've rejected him.
I thought the joke was funny, but it was also unnecessarily cruel.
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I wonder if part of it was to sell the idea that Sylvester could be the kind of guy who could essentially be a deadbeat dad that lied to his family. If he was kind of a jerk to his friend at the end, you could see him having a daughter and not being around until he died. He wasn't on screen enough to get any sense on why Sylvester and Pat were even friends. I got the idea that maybe Sylvester just let him tag along but probably made fun of him behind his back.
I'd be interested in seeing flashbacks to see what their partnership really looked like.
1,146 2020-11-12 08:43:26
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I do remember that now (and almost certainly based some of my opinion on that memory). I didn't read all of it so I'll respond back next week or so once I've finished season two.
The CW is showing Swamp Thing. Like with Stargirl, the episodes are edited so I'm not sure if I'm getting the full show as intended, but it kinda drags a bit. I still think it's watchable and compelling enough to stick with, but I think it's certainly the weakest of the DC Universe shows and I can see why it wasn't renewed.
1,147 2020-11-12 08:40:30
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The Hail Mary:
Last night, I stumbled on this guy's feed:
https://twitter.com/greg_doucette?ref_s … r%5Eauthor
He was talking about how the Hail Mary hits a roadblock - even if Trump gets the results delayed, the matter goes to Congress, and the way they do it is the key. They do it separately - so if Trump tries the Hail Mary, the Senate and House retreat to their separate chambers and come up with a solution. And while the Republicans would move quickly in the Senate, there's literally nothing they can do about the House. They could simply play bridge in the chamber for a month and then when 1/20 hits, Trump's term ends whether they have a solution or not.
And this is where it got sorta interesting to me. Everyone mentions this is where Pelosi becomes president, but they wouldn't have to vote Pelosi in as Speaker of the House. Apparently you don't even have to *be* in the House to be Speaker of the House. So if the Democrats are worried about this, they would just vote in Biden as Speaker, and if the Republicans try it, he becomes acting president when January 20th happens. There'd be no difference between Biden as president or acting president, and then they could either stalemate it or the Republicans would just give in.
I have no idea if any of that is true, but his arguments were smarter than anything I could come up with.
1,148 2020-11-11 15:19:20
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I'm glad you liked it! I think Stargirl has the most heart of all the DC Universe shows. I think it'll slide pretty easily into the Arrowverse, but I agree with you - I think the production value will suffer in the same way (maybe more?) that Supergirl did.
I'm now halfway through the second season of Titans. It's my favorite of the DC Universe shows (although Harley Quinn is so good), and I'm excited to see how it continues to grow. I thought it was nice to bring Bruce Wayne in, although I don't buy Iain Glen in the role....at all. I know he's supposed to be an older Bruce, but he's also supposed to be an active Bruce. Iain Glen is almost sixty - was Batman 40 when he took in Dick? Seems like a really weird casting choice, and I just can't see him being Batman.
It's a lot of fun. I look forward to it every time I get a chance to watch.
1,149 2020-11-11 09:50:34
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Yeah and if the Hail Mary happens, elections are essentially over.
1,150 2020-11-11 08:22:43
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I sense that Slider_Quinn21 is frightened and afraid that Trump will sue his way into a second term.
Oh, not at all. I'm no legal expert, but I've read more than enough people who are say that the lawsuits are a waste of time. It's placating Trump, it's following orders, and at the end of the day, it will mean nothing. I'd still like to have an active tracker of which lawsuits are ongoing and which have been denied. Just for my own amusement.
What I am concerned about is what in the hell the Republicans are doing. When Mike Pompeo says that there will be a transition to a second Trump administration, I really don't care. He's a Trump employee, and if Trump doesn't win, he loses his job and all the perks that come with it. He's hoping for a second Trump term because it benefits him.
What confuses me is why other Republicans are going through with all this. I can kinda see how McConnell is doing it - he's the face of the Republican Party besides Trump, and if he doesn't toe the line, he's going to spend his whole day fielding angry calls from Trump. So even if professionally he knows he needs to say the right thing, I can forgive him if he's just trying to make sure he can still get through the day.
But why are other Republicans going along with this? Why is my asshole senator, Ted Cruz, *STILL* working for the guy who called his wife ugly and said his dad was part of the Kennedy assassination? Why is Lindsey Graham allowing talk of voter fraud when he won an election *this year*? Is this what they're going to be doing for the next four years? Because when you hear the rationales, some of them make sense:
- Keep Trump happy until he's officially gone
- Keep the focus on the election so that republicans can stay focused on the Georgia runoff so they can keep the house
- Fundraising
Which all make sense - but they don't have to say anything, and all those things still happen. Trump can still fundraise, at least one of the Republicans is almost guaranteed to win, and none of them need Trump in the next 70 days.
Either way, when it's over, we need everyone not named Trump to come out and say "we did a full audit - the election was done correctly - our democracy is secure" - that's the only way we move forward. But that means Graham and Cruz are going to have to walk back their statements. And the fact that they made the statements at all means a) they believe this crap or b) they knew it was wrong and said it anyway. And both of those are terrible and dangerous.
1,151 2020-11-10 08:05:17
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Okay, reading all that made me feel better.
I also looked up Informant's twitter. That made me feel worse.
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So now the only real threat to Biden is faithless electors. But there hasn't been any legit concern about that - yet. I'm assuming it'll ratchet up a bit in December.
1,152 2020-11-09 16:28:59
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Is anyone out there tracking what sort of lawsuits the Trump campaign is filing and which ones have been denied already?
1,153 2020-11-08 09:22:56
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I don't think Americans are evil. I agree with TF - I think most people don't think about politics that much. I think some think about it too much, and I think those people need to ease up. And I think Twitter becomes a furnace for these kinds of people. But I see the same kind of things happen with sports on twitter so I don't necessarily think it's only politics. When you isolate yourself with people who think like you, it's easy to think everyone thinks like you.
And I don't think 70 million people stand for what Trump stands for. I think most people can put aside the man and his personality and focus on what they want to focus on. Just like people can put aside JK Rowling's issues and still like Harry Potter. If you are passionate about abortion issues, I think you'll vote for the person who supports your side whether they're Jesus or Satan.
And I think that's mostly the point. When you only think about politics once every four years, you make your decision and you forget about it. I've always wondered if Trump was a Democrat how it would work. If he stacked the court with pro-choice judges, and if he'd made it so that gun laws would be passed to make the country safer. If Trump fully supported BLM and was doing work on police reform and knelt during the national anthem at the Super Bowl alongside black players. If everything about Trump was the same, but his politics were flipped....would everything else be flipped? Would liberals swallow their opinions of Trump and vote for him because the ends justify the means? I don't know - it's a good thought experiment for another time.
So when you add up the pro-life votes and the evangelical votes and the 2nd amendment votes and the pro-police votes and the "I'm voting with my pocketbook and that means Republican" votes and the "I've always voted Republican no matter who" votes, I think that leaves the "I like Trump" and "I'm a nazi/white supremacist" votes,, and I just don't think that number is that high. Maybe it is. Maybe I'm naive.
But I just don't think there are enough people that like Trump. I think there are tons of reasons to vote for him, but I don't know how many of those reasons have to do with him. Just like a ton of the people who voted for Biden don't know the man or what he stands for - they were voting against Trump.
And since we gave everyone the right to vote, they get to make their own decisions.
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I agree with TF that the Democrats need to do much better about reaching out to people. Just being "we aren't Trump" wasn't enough. They didn't make a convincing enough argument or they would've won the Senate. There are obviously people who want to vote, and a ton of those people voted Republican. And if Joe is serious about being everyone's president, he needs to start talking to everyone.
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I'm also horrified by the celebrations. It's great that people are happy, but in two weeks, it'll be Thanksgiving. Then Christmas. It's still flu season. We need to be much smarter than this.
1,154 2020-11-06 13:21:24
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Donald is one of a kind. No one else (not even his son) can pull off what he did.
And Trump himself in 2024? I think he’ll be too old if he’s even still alive.
I just think there's a bit of a power vacuum in the Republican party. I don't think they'll want to change too much since they had an overall great election, but who steps up? The same Cruz, Rubio crowd? Doubtful. The Bushes are out. I think there are probably some younger, lesser known Republicans. But, especially if Trump gets the network going, I think he's going to push his son HARD. And on name recognition alone, I think he'd get his foot in the door. Then it's just a matter of how strong the Trump name is in 2024.
There's also a chance he tries to get Ivanka into a public office. She's probably more palatable than Don Jr but we'll see.
I think Trump would absolutely try to run again. He'd just be Biden's current age next time. The only question is whether or not the dementia stuff is actually true. If it is, he might not be sharp enough to pull it off again.
I agree that Trump is one of a kind. I just think there are many in the party that would go back to that well again. Don again, Don Jr, or Ivanka. Not Eric haha.
1,155 2020-11-06 12:30:00
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Donald Trump Jr. said tonight “The best thing for the country is for people to go to war over this.”
He might be even more reckless than his father.
If Trump either can't or doesn't run in 2024, this is your 2024 Republican nominee.
1,156 2020-11-05 15:03:40
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Nevada count will extend into Sat/Sun, which is ridiculous given they're counting like 1/100th the number that Pennsylvania is. Anyway, Biden is up 11.4K there with 63K from Vegas (likely Dem) and 60K provisional ballots (at best a wash). Georgia now a scant 13K, Biden may well pull ahead there. Pennsylvania 114K now, having gained 50K so far today. I think most news organizations are waiting for PA to call the election.
Biden is highly likely to take PA by maybe 100K votes when it's done with, as well as Nevada. Arizona yes is a question, but the damn state only posts updates ONCE a night. They should be finished by tomorrow supposedly. Biden can win Georgia.
Jon Ralston covers elections in Nevada and seems to think there's no way Trump wins. The reason why it hasn't been called, as speculated by Nate Silver, is that Nevada going to Biden actually gives him the election on Fox and the AP. Now Fox and the AP could stand by it and just roll with "we show Biden has 270, he's the next president" but mis-calling Arizona and mis-calling the winner are two different things. So it could be the media deciding to let Nevada sit, blaming the number of ballots, to allow Arizona to get a bit more clearer so that Fox and the AP don't have to look stupid.
Trump's lawsuits challenging vote counting are not designed to win in court but to spread misinformation, encourage thuggish behavior by his supporters, and undermine the legitimacy of the election
I agree with this, but what is the plan? You can point to 70 million voters and say "those people will defend him and they're well armed" but what would that level of rebellion even look like? And how would you organize it? And even if you did, what's the endgame there?
Any sort of coup attempt would need full support of the military, and I don't think enough people in the military support Trump. You could argue that maybe his best case is that police support him, but military trumps police. And I think the jump from "I support Trump" to "I'm willing to participate in a coup" might be fairly big.
Trump can cry all he wants, but his best argument is that Pennsylvania votes are going to come in later than Election Day, but there doesn't seem to be any indications that Democrats got their votes in late in any sort of large numbers. As ireactions said, Biden's team did a good job of getting people to drop off their votes early, and all of them should count. Maybe they could find some corrupt judges to get a case to the Supreme Court, but Trump's arguments are weak. Even if he somehow got "Trump v Biden" in front of the court, even with a majority, I can't imagine he wins that case or what that case would even look like.
Even politically, he's running out of options. McConnell is backing off him. A lot of Republicans are. It probably doesn't matter long term, but short term, the Republicans did really well and aren't going to want to taint that with a wild goose chase.
Trump has a really good shot at Arizona, Georgia, and North Carolina. Biden might win by a fairly short margin. If Trump wants, he could probably run for another office (Governor of Florida?) or whatever he wants. And if he wants, he could probably be the frontrunner in 2024 and we could do this all over again. But all of that probably starts with not being dragged out of the White House, crying.
And that seems like where we're headed.
1,157 2020-11-05 08:10:49
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Lots of count questions. As of this morning, Georgia has either 25,000 or 50,000 ballots left from mostly-blue areas. So he needs either 75% of them or 60-something percent to win Georgia. Since Nevada seems more likely to go Biden than any of the others, a Georgia win would give Biden 270 without even needing the Arizona or Pennsylvania cushion.
Pennsylvania seems to be trending Biden big time. There are count questions there too, especially in Philadelphia. Some reports say that there are enough votes in Philadelphia alone to get Biden over the top. Some say there aren't, but even they think that the gap will close and Biden will overtake. And that might be when networks finally get to call this thing for Biden. It would be nice if Biden can win by enough votes to avoid a recount and also to win without any votes that came in after Tuesday to avoid that legal headache.
Arizona is still Biden, and Fox and the AP haven't retracted their call yet despite most people thinking they should. They must know something or they'd pull it. That something could be wrong, but they're still very confident and Fox has to have tons of pressure to retract. The fact that Trump still needs a decent majority should be worrisome to the president. The majority are from an area that is both deep red and deep blue, but there are also others from Pima county which should lean Biden. If those votes go Biden (and they make up between 1/8 and 1/6 of what's left), Trump's going to have to get a huge amount of those to win Arizona.
North Carolina seems certain to be Trump. Nevada only matters if Pennsylvania goes to Trump, but that one should be resolved or mostly resolved today either way.
1,158 2020-11-04 14:10:40
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I have no idea if the claims are accurate, but I’m starting to see a preview of the likely legal arguments.
Allegedly, there are 3.1 million registered voters in Wisconsin, but 3.2 million voted this time. It’s possible 100,000 new voters voted; but is it possible nearly 100% of registered voters turned out? Not likely.
Allegedly, a voter precinct in Michigan had 138,399 votes for Biden and 0 votes for Trump. It’s possible, but not likely. Reminds me of the last census - my state had the only county in the US that had 0 people who identified as LGBTQ+. No way that was true.
In any case, a possible preview of legal arguments in contesting the election. And the US Supreme Court can rule however it wants as long as 5 justices agree.
The Wisconsin tweet that was making the rounds was apparently a typo and has been deleted. There might be others, but there's definitely been some typing mistakes.
There's a county in Michigan that had the votes flipped - Biden got the Trump votes and vice-versa. It wasn't enough to make that big of a difference but it was a few thousand votes as a swing. If there are a few others, maybe it makes a difference (the same software was used elsewhere, but there's no evidence that any other counties were affected).
But it makes me wonder - do we have these same types of typos/errors in other elections, or is this unique to 2020? I can't imagine it's unique - I'm guessing Trump voters are just looking for for them more and social media makes them explode.
1,159 2020-11-04 12:01:04
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Ha, I love Canada. I'd be honored to join the Great White North!
I'd even be willing to be honoured.
1,160 2020-11-04 11:14:15
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Joe Biden sought out to convert R's sick of Trump, D's who skipped 2016, young voters, independents and 3rd party '16 voters. He excelled in that strategy across the country, even where he lost (like Texas). He was lampooned time and time again, but may be proven a genius.
But has the Democratic Party lost Hispanic men and black men? Still a ton of time to go through the data, but that's very worrisome if you're a Democrat. For black and brown men to show up and vote *for* Donald Trump - that can't all be machismo - something is resonating with those men. If Republicans can diversify their camps and also bring whites back into the fold, they could be a real force.
1,161 2020-11-04 11:12:03
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270 seems like a low estimate right now. MI/WI/NV seem like locks at this point. PA and GA are close. NC is probably not happening. I think if Biden can win Georgia, however closely, it legitimizes the win a bit more. If he can get over 300 electoral votes, I think the Republicans might let him loose - especially with how well they did overall yesterday. Keeping the Senate and making big progress in the House is huge, and they get to lose a chaotic figure.
I'm sure segments of the party will help and MAGA will be alive and well no matter what, but I gotta think Mitch McConnell is thrilled with how things went and wouldn't want to put any of that in jeopardy on a fruitless battle on behalf of Donald Trump.
1,162 2020-11-04 08:06:05
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Huh.
Well the polls were wrong. Maybe not enough to end Biden but enough to make the race annoying. Trump will be able to claim victory and fraud (like he's already done), and he'll have recounts and other legal means at his disposal. Considering Biden will have to come from behind in all the states he's projected to perhaps win doesn't help the narrative in the country, especially among Trump voters.
It's also bad on two other fronts:
1. Polling is wrong, again. According to one guy I follow on Twitter, it's about as bad as it's ever been. Will it recover? Does it need to recover? And even if it does, will anyone alive now ever trust it again?
2. Whether Trump is defeated or not, Trumpism was not. Anyone hoping that the victory would be decisive enough that the Republican party would look elsewhere for success has been handily defeated.
1,163 2020-11-03 11:16:16
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You know what, you're right. And they did do what I asked. And, to a lesser extent, I was proud to go out and vote for Joe Biden and inspired by his message. Perhaps I'm moving the goalposts unfairly.
1,164 2020-11-03 08:08:45
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Waking up optimistic. Biden is at 89.2% on FiveThirtyEight - just shy of the "clearly favored" level at 90%. There's a 90+% chance that he rebuilds the blue wall in MI/WI/MN, and if he does that, then it's just a matter of getting one more state (and NE-2 if that one state is Arizona). Now we count and wait.
At the end of the day, I want there to be peace and confidence. I know Trump won't, but maybe this is the last chance we give him. If he graciously accepts the results of a Biden win, spinning it into a victory by launching a Trump Network, then I'll give him that. What I don't want is a protracted legal battle. What I don't want is a declaration of whether or not the Supreme Court is corrupt. I don't want Biden to win the national vote by 10,000,000 votes and for Trump to be saved by the Electoral College.
I want Biden to win a state like Texas or to sweep GA/AZ/FL/NC so there's no doubt. I want Trump to be telling the truth that he loves America and not be an American intelligence security risk starting tomorrow, and I'm willing to give him a pass on all his crimes if we can maintain that for the rest of his life.
And most of all, I want what all of us want - I want both parties to meet on January 21 separately. I want the Republican party to figure out how the Hell things got so warped. I don't know who's left who could think that - Cruz and Rubio seem to be full Maga/QAnon right now. Maybe it's younger conservatives and moderates who meet and plot a way to get back to being a truly conservative party. And I want the Democrats to meet and figure out how the Hell they're only leading this election by 10 points. Even if they win, they need to understand where they went wrong in the last 5 years. Again, maybe this push is done by Mayor Pete and Andrew Yang and Amy Klobuchar and, yes, maybe Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
This is probably the last election dominated by Baby Boomers. If Gen X doesn't want anything to do with power, then someone young needs to step up. Old people are too short-sighted. As Mayor Pete said on a late night interview, we need a president who will be alive when the big problems are here.
Democrats didn't learn anything from 2016. Maybe they can now. Republicans learned the wrong lesson in 2016. Maybe they can unlearn it now. That's my very naive hope.
1,165 2020-10-31 09:19:11
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Can Lisa Braeden have a cameo?
1,166 2020-10-31 08:57:15
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And one of the big reasons why America needs to reject Trump is that Don Jr will absolutely run for president in 2024. And if America has rejected Trump, America will reject Don Jr. If America embraces Trump again, Don Jr wins in 2024.
Literally no one wants that.
1,167 2020-10-30 13:06:30
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I believe SQ21 is a Texan no? Texas right now is simply an amazing success story for democracy. Over 9 million votes have been cast, which is half million or so above 2016 in total. Estimates are perhaps THREE million more votes there than 2016.
Yup. Now Informant is also in Texas so, if anything, I just cancelled out his vote.
I honestly don't know how the extra votes don't help Biden. Maybe Trump gained votes between 2016 and 2020, but I don't see it on the ground here. I live in a fairly conservative area (Trump won my county by 17 points). I've seen maybe 6 political signs total, and I'd say it's 4-2 Trump. Just anecdotally, I don't see enthusiasm in what should be a very safe space for Trump voters to express themselves.
I hear you now. And, no, I don't have a sign. Signs don't prove votes, and people tend to be non-confrontational with their neighbors. So can house signs alone prove enthusiasm? Nope.
I live in a somewhat rural area as well. There's a cotton field about a mile from my house. There are longhorns a few miles down the other direction. Go much further north and you start seeing more fields than houses. And during elections, these fields BLOOM with political signs. County commissioner, state reps, judges, and the like. You can put a sign up in a field, and you run no risk of anyone knowing (unless they see you put it up, I guess).
I've seen *zero* Trump signs. Sometimes you'll see dozens of signs in these fields. None. Zero. Trump has rallied in Texas zero times. I'm not saying Biden will pull of an epic upset, but:
- Trump isn't campaigning here. No rallies. No surrogates, even. Ted Cruz is campaigning elsewhere. And per 538, the Republicans have aired less than a 1000 TV ads for $200,000 in Texas
- Record turnout. Untapped Republicans or previously disinterested/disenfranchised Democrats?
- Democrats consistently beat polling in Texas. Beto O'Rourke lost to Ted Cruz, but not by much and outperformed the polls by 4 points. If that repeats itself, Texas goes blue and Trump has 0.0 chance.
1,168 2020-10-30 09:15:42
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I recall hearing something about a "blue wall" in the Midwest four years ago...
It's the same argument every time. 2016. 2016. 2016.
Pollsters messed up in 2016. And they were CRUCIFIED for it. Go to any post that even references Nate Silver, and he's *attacked* for how bad a job he did. We can argue semantics about whether or not giving someone a 30% chance to win and then they win is that big of a mistake, but trust me, he paid for it. And the polls themselves paid for it. This is their Super Bowl, and they'll all admit that they blew it.
And if the 2020 election was a week after the 2016 election, then yeah, I think there'd be real doubt about the process being broken.
But they had four years to fix their process. Four years to rebuild polling from the ground up. Four years to find their mistakes in sampling. Find out who they missed. Find out what went wrong and more importantly, how to fix it. These are very smart people that are paid a ton of money to do one thing, and they had four full years to clean up their act.
Maybe they pissed away those four years. Maybe they made the exact same mistakes. Maybe Trump voters are tricking and gaming the system despite polls' efforts.
But to just completely write off 4 years of efforts because of mistakes made and acknowledged is just a little naive if you ask me.
1,169 2020-10-29 10:07:09
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
* Slider_Quinn21 still has full confidence in the math and Joe Biden *
But I have my moments when I lose my faith. I've begun a regimen where I make sure I get 10,000 steps every day. Because of various factors, this requires me to walk around my house at night with nothing to do but listen to podcasts or read things on twitter. I used to listen exclusively to the Rewatchables or the Weekly Planet, but I've mixed in 538 and have been poring over polling data. And while 538's model is reasonably confident in a Biden win, I also fall down rabbit holes that lead me to dark places where Trump's chances look better.
Like most Trump-adjacent things, the data is vague, debatable, or explainable. But it's still there. A lot of it depends on two things - the race tightening and the polls being wrong. One or the other and it doesn't work.
And last night I had a crisis of faith. Florida is a toss-up, even in a Biden-confident place like 538 (they have him at 65% to win Florida) so it's easy to see that one going to Trump. Then there's Pennsylvania - most of the evidence there is anecdotal and contradictory, but there's certainly a chance Trump wins there (538 gives him a 14% chance). What if Trump wins both? It's over, right?
What's funny is that it's not. As long as Biden holds Michigan (94% chance), Wisconsin (93% chance), and Minnesota (93% -chance), and either Nebraska-2 (78%), Maine-2 (55%), or Iowa (51%), then Biden just needs to win one of these states to win:
- Arizona (70%)
- North Carolina (65%)
- Georgia (57%)
- Ohio (39%)
- Texas (32%)
In other words, if you trust the polling, Biden can lose two states he's mathematically supposed to win that are remarkably different in many ways (so losing one wouldn't mean losing the other) and he still has several backup plans that are all mathematically more likely to happen than not. He could win Arizona and Nebraska-2. He could win Iowa and North Carolina. He could win Maine-2 and Georgia.
And even if all that falls through, he still has the same odds that Trump would've overcome to win Ohio or Texas.
Trump has to win them all.
Or break through the blue wall in the Midwest.
All possible. Statistically unlikely. Trust the math and it will ease your nerves during your night walks to get to 10,000 steps.
1,170 2020-10-27 18:56:04
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Slider_Quinn21 argues that any Democrat knows all this; that's why they either voted in person or deposited their ballot in a ballot box or mailed it in ASAP. But the reality is that Biden won't just win on Democrats; he needs independents, he needs Republicans who are appalled by Trump; he needs people seniors who might struggle to find a witness for the signature; he needs people who might not be able to mail their ballots as soon as they wish to; he needs undecideds
The stats show that Democrats are overwhelmingly turning their ballots in early. So while a lot more Democrats are voting by mail, so many of them are already getting returned. There's a decent chance that a great majority of the Democratic vote will already be in before Election Day happens. That's not just a good strategy for Covid, it's a great strategy in general. If Republicans have to stand in line all day, how many of them will wait all day? How many can afford to? What if it's cold? Or rainy? What if they aren't feeling well because they went to an f-ing rally during a pandemic? Worse yet, what if someone a few people ahead of them is coughing and they still have another hour to wait?
Trump is having big superspreader events in swing states a week or two before the election where Republicans are expected to mostly wait for Election Day. I'm willing to bet most Trump fans would go to the polls if they didn't feel well. But what if they *really* didn't feel well. What if they're in the hospital? Cases are piling up in the midwest - some of those people aren't going to be able to vote. If you had to guess who would be more likely to catch covid right now...I'm willing to bet it's a vote for the guy who hates masks and science and not the guy encouraging masks and social distancing. I know democrats get sick, but democrats have also voted early.
-- and if the election results are close and contested, Amy Coney Barrett will rule in Trump's favour along with four conservative judges. She stood with Trump after her confirmation; she attended a superspreader event; she wants power. She doesn't care if people get sick for her to get power. And she won't want Biden in the White House because he is open to packing and rebalancing the court and therefore eroding her power..
I don't know why more people weren't outraged by the obvious break in the separation of powers. Especially ACB, who obviously doesn't care about the optics. I'm willing to say that she will not take her job seriously. The democratic message has been to get your votes in (mail in or otherwise) early. The Democrats, for the most part, have done their part.
Nate Silver at FiveThirtyEight says, because of this, it's not certain that the votes to be counted will necessarily be mostly Democrat. If Democrats get their ballots in and Republicans don't, the Republican effort to throw out ballots might actually hurt them instead of helping them.
1,171 2020-10-27 15:07:35
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I saw that. A lot of people put stock into google searches, but I don't know how much I do. I ask google a lot of stupid things that I don't usually plan on following up on. Some of the more fun things to do is search google and see what comes up. And it might be more curiosity than actual interest. Googling how to get into business school isn't the same thing as passing the GRE. One takes demonstrably more effort.
And I'm assuming this is directly a result of the plan to move away from oil? And I get that a lot of people make money off fossil fuels, but we're going to need a plan at some point. "I don't care, we'll run out of oil when I'm dead" - but don't you care about your kids? Or your grandkids? Whether you think fossil fuels contribute to global warming or not, there aren't any more dinosaurs on their way to deliver us fresh oil. Once it's gone, it's gone. And I think the plan is "hey, can we get something else figured out before the oil runs out?"
(And I just googled when the oil will run out). 2053 is the estimate I saw. I'll be almost 70. But my daughter will only be in her 30s.
1,172 2020-10-26 12:57:06
Re: Star Wars: Movies and Shows on Disney+ and More (330 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Rebels was good. Not as great as Clone Wars but still good.
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One thing I was thinking about. Rise of Skywalker went out of its way to undo a ton from The Last Jedi. From erasing/backseatting certain characters to dropping plotlines, TROS seemed designed to appease the people who didn't like Episode VIII.
But what was one of the biggest criticisms of TLJ? Its use of Luke. And while Luke was definitely post-death retconned to be a little more "what people think Luke should be" than in Episode VIII, they actually missed out on something else:
Luke doesn't have his badass moment. Luke is certainly heroic in the Last Jedi. But a lot of people were hoping for a lot more. Some Expanded-Universe-level badassery that would give a glimpse into the Jedi that Luke used to be. And JJ doesn't go there. I know it would've been a bit nuts to have Luke resurrected or something, but there are flashbacks to younger Master Luke in TROS anyway. And specific flashbacks that are relevant to Kylo.
And now I'm completely stunned that they didn't have Luke and Ben Solo on some sort of Master/Padawan-type mission where something goes wrong and Luke has to use his mastery of the force to get out of it. It seems like the kind of thing that a) would've appeased fans and b) the kind of fan service JJ would've wanted.
Crazy to think it didn't happen.
1,173 2020-10-26 07:51:43
Re: Smallville (140 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Smallville is a show I'd like to revisit, but it was such a mixed bag.
I have been wondering what would've happened if Smallville had been the Arrowverse. What if we'd had:
The Flash (2005) - starring Kyle Gallner
Aquaman (2006) - starring Alan Ritchson
Cyborg (2006) - starring Lee Thompson Young
Green Arrow and the Justice League (2008) - Starring Justin Hartley, Alaina Huffman, and Phil Morris
The Chloe Chronicles (2008) - Starring Allison Mack and Kristen Kreuk
Could've been interesting (I know a lot of these actors had dark things happen to them, but I'm hoping this world would've been kinder to them / they were kinder to others).
1,174 2020-10-26 07:37:40
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Very ready for this election to be over. Both campaigns are spreading a decent amount of misinformation, and there's good and bad polls painting a very contradicting picture.
- Contradicting stories about voter enthusiasm in Pennsylvania. The New York Times reported that voting is way down for Biden in Pennsylvania. District polling seems to say this is wrong, and it could either be campaign leaks a) by the Biden campaign to make sure voters show up or b) the Trump campaign to energize their efforts there. Obama went there last week which, depending on your source tells us, a) that the campaign sent their biggest gun to salvage the situation or b) the Biden campaign knows its in the bag and Obama was more of a closer
- Strange polling in Michigan. Trafalgar is a garbage poll for a lot of reasons, but they did do a good job of finding hidden Trump voters in 2016. Major polls closed a lot of these gaps with their sampling, but Trafalgar claims that they haven't done enough. Biden leads big in Michigan in every poll except right-leaning ones. Is Trafalgar still finding hidden voters, or are they grasping at straws like they did in 2018?
- Voter registration issues in Wisconsin - are more Republicans registered and voting early in Wisconsin? It'd be a strange statistical anomaly if that was happening (when the opposite is true almost everywhere else), but the midwest is trending red.
- Texas, North Carolina, Georgia - Biden is either tied or pulling away according to the polling, but all are very-much in the margin of error. Biden is going to visit Georgia and Kamala Texas. Are these real possibilities that point to a Biden landslide? Or are they wasting time and effort in places they don't need to be wasting either?
All the science and common sense show that Biden has this in the bag. Polls look good on both a national and a state level. The Biden campaign is acting more aggressively than defensively (implying they're going after battleground states they think they can win and not salvaging states they don't think they can win). Trump's campaign is no help in figuring it out because it's impossible to tell what he's doing. But Trump could have a weird effect on the polls because he's so controversial. Not to even mention shenanigans he might try and pull off.
I'm just ready for it to be over. A week from tomorrow.
1,175 2020-10-26 07:12:16
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Well, I don't really know how much juice the Arrowverse has in it. As it stands right now, there's:
- The Flash (going into Season 7)
- Legends of Tomorrow (going into Season 6)
- Supergirl (going into sixth and final season)
- Black Lightning (going into season 4)
- Batwoman (going into season 2)
- Superman & Lois (about to premiere)
- Stargirl? (going into season 2)
Supergirl is ending. Stargirl is only technically Arrowverse but is moving to the CW. Black Lightning is slightly more connected but still pretty separate. Legends is really it's own thing. Batwoman is either going to be revitalized with a new lead or end quickly. Flash is dragging.
As I said before, I think the best thing to do is to keep moving in the direction of "These are all separate shows and they have a yearly crossover" - because a lot of the narrative connections in the show are over. Now that Kate Kane is gone, Batwoman is entirely separated from the other shows (it wouldn't be hard to reconnect but that's where it is). When Supergirl goes, that'll sever a major tie between the other shows and Superman. Legends is already its own thing and Sara/Oliver was the main tie there. Black Lightning has always been separate. Stargirl is in a different universe.
I think if they make an effort (Batwoman meets the team, Superman makes new connections outside of Kara, Stargirl comes over from Earth 2, etc) then they can keep it connected. If not, they'll essentially be separate shows, and at that point, I don't even think the crossover is necessary.
1,176 2020-10-23 13:55:25
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
The debate was actually fairly watchable last night. Very cool that, win or lose, it's the last Trump debate I'll ever have to sit through.
Republican polls seem to be getting a bit more daring - one poll had Trump up 4 in Michigan when no other poll has Biden up less than four. Most don't even have Biden leading by less than eight. Biden is winning essentially every swing state according to every reputable poll. All that's left is knowing whether or not the polls were wrong. But they'd have to be very wrong in a lot of places.
1,177 2020-10-23 11:00:54
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
They're all wildly different shows, both from each other and from Titans. So it makes sense that they haven't crossed over.
Titans is a coming of age story in a brutal and dark world. I haven't seen season two.
Doom Patrol is a redemption story in a bright and colorful comic book world.
Swamp Thing is a mystery in more of a mythical/horror world.
Harley Quinn is a very adult, very funny animated story that flexes its DC muscles quite a bit.
Stargirl is more of a teenage/CW coming of age story that tries to live in a comic book world merged with a hyper-realistic one.
I've been very impressed, actually. They created a number of fun shows that feel different but also work in different ways. Want a brutal, cinematic look at the DC universe from the fringes? You have Titans. Want a funny and fun look at the DC universe from some of its more bizarre corners? You have Doom Patrol. Want horror and mysticism from the dark corners of the DC universe? Swamp Thing. Want a fun Rick and Morty-like show that sticks you right in the middle of the DC universe? You have Harley Quinn. And want a cute and more child/teen-friendly look at the DC universe from a Golden Age perspective? You have Stargirl.
They all give you something a little different with at-least Arrowverse level of quality (and in some cases, much better). The DC universe dying is a bummer because I think it could've been really cool if it'd thrived a bit more.
1,178 2020-10-22 10:51:44
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Every Trump voter I know falls into one of these categories
And I think that's okay. I disagree with them, but I think they're at least coming at it from a place that can be negotiated with. Someone that loves guns and doesn't want their guns taken away can work with everyone else. Most hardcore gun owners are okay with reasonable restrictions that don't take away *their* guns (of course there are exceptions). Most hardcore abortion people might be less willing to negotiate, but at least them come from a place that I can understand (no one is pro-abortion).
And I think both of these groups (if they're truly single-issue voters) only support Trump because he represents their side. If the party flowed to a more traditional Republican, they'd stay with at least a similar level of support. Trump is a means to an end, not a hero or an idol.
I can work with that going forward.
1,179 2020-10-22 07:31:59
Re: Star Trek in Film and TV (and The Orville, too!) (746 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Discovery started pretty well. Spoilers below.
Although I'm not 100% sure that I love that they have to work in galaxy-shattering stuff again. At least this time it's the future and they aren't messing with future continuity. But we have a dark version of the Federation in Picard and now a collapsed version of the Federation in Discovery. I know "Discovery goes to the future and everything is great!" is not the most intriguing premise and I'm sure they're doing "the US is falling apart but it can be saved!" parallels so maybe it gets more hopeful.
But I sorta look to Trek to have hope for the future. And all the new shows sure love "ACTUALLY THINGS ARE HORRIBLE" premises.
1,180 2020-10-22 07:26:41
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
And that's why I actually feel sorry for a lot of MAGA people. I'm not talking about the obviously racist or the white supremacists or any of those assholes. I'm talking about poor white grandmas who fell for Russian propaganda and legitimately think that the nation will win if Trump doesn't win - and then donate their last $50 to the Trump campaign. I feel like there should be thousands of lawsuits - if I donated to the Trump campaign and he used it for non-campaign purposes, I'd be pissed.
I'm naive and I'm trying to be optimistic, and I just don't believe that 40% of my fellow Americans love this guy for nefarious purposes. Selfish economic reasons? Sure. Strictly political "I've never voted Democrat in my life and I won't now" reasons? Okay. Even "one of the most powerful countries in the world spending all their time coming up with realistic-ish propaganda tricked me" reasons are somewhat okay. Or even "guns are my favorite thing in the whole world" or "literally nothing in this world is more evil than abortion" people.
But "Trump is the best" or "this guy represents me!" or people like that - I hope those are just loud people on social media.
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FiveThirtyEight's model seems to have stalled at around 87-88% for Biden. It's gone up and down the last couple days without any significant movement. I think that's pretty much where we are. If Florida goes to Biden, it's almost certainly Biden. If Florida goes to Trump, the door opens up. It's still a long road (even if Trump wins Florida, but Biden gets Arizona and North Carolina, Trump has very little shot), but if Biden can just get Florida on Election night, Biden essentially has it locked up no matter what else happens.
I'd love for Biden to get my home state and he just had a poll where he's tied, but I just don't think it happens this year despite record voting here.
1,181 2020-10-21 18:38:35
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
The Hunter Biden stuff is just plain disgusting. It's also pointless, because who the hell is really going to care? Voters want to hear about real policies and not tabloid crap.
Like everything else, it is to play to Trump's base. It doesn't get new voters. It has nothing to do with Joe so it's just noise.
The FBI just tried to make some sort of election announcement - some sort of "Iran and Russia are trying to hurt the President" statement. If that's their version of the Comey letter...good luck.
I'm officially just ready for it to be over. If the polls are even in the right ballpark, Biden will win...maybe without even worrying about the states that count ballots late. The race seems to be somewhat tightening nationally, but Biden got some good state polls today. Up in Iowa, tied in Texas. If Trump is forced to use any of his waning campaign war chest on either of these states, it's over.
If the polls are very wrong.....well, I don't even want to consider that.
1,182 2020-10-21 14:14:11
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I hope you're right about Coney Barrett -- but the truth is that four of the current eight judges voted to throw out any mail-in ballots received a minute after the election day deadline. The stalemate meant that the previous ruling -- a three day extension on the deadline -- was upheld.
When Coney Barrett is confirmed, the four conservative-voting judges will have five among their number to overturn the previous ruling.
Very true. But I think you have to remember a couple of things.
1. These guys aren't Lindsey Graham or Ted Cruz. Their jobs are secure. They can vote however they want, and they don't have to worry about it. Barrett knows that she's only getting on the bench through nefarious ways, but once she's on, she's on. Not only has Roberts surprised but even Brett Kavanaugh has surprised (the thought is that he's now the median opinion).
2. I'm not talking about the Supreme Court throwing out illegitimate votes. I think there's probably some legitimacy to the argument that votes that are received after the election might have less constitutional weight. So I think there's a judicial argument to be made. And if I were a Pennsylvania Democrat, I'd be making sure there there's no way that my ballot gets received later than Election Day.
What I'm referring to is Trump literally trying to cheat and trying to get the court to uphold his shenanigans. Either getting a legislature to throw out all the votes and name him the winner or throwing out *legitimate votes* just because they were going to give Biden the election. People are worried that just because Trump has the court, they'll always vote in his favor no matter what. And I don't believe that all five of the "Trump votes" are that crooked. Maybe ACB is. Maybe Gorsuch is. But it doesn't seem like Kavanaugh is, and I think/hope the rest of them take their jobs seriously enough not to let Trump get away with something that is clearly both unconstitutional and illegal.
1,183 2020-10-21 10:10:56
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
The Hunter Biden stuff is so stupid. Even if Hunter Biden is a pedophile serial killer, it has nothing to do with Joe Biden's ability to be president. No one cares, and the polls show that no one cares.
I get where Transmodiar is coming from. I voted for Biden already. I believed that Trump could be a wakeup call, but it didn't work. And if you have any interest in Mayor Pete or Andrew Yang or AOC for president, all roads go through Joe Biden. He's not the president we need right now, but I think he'll do. If the Democrats get control of the Senate, we could see a lot of progressive work. If Yang or Mayor Pete wants to be president, they can get good experience. It isn't the perfect path, but it's damn sure the better path.
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Amy Barrett. Listen, I think she's definitely too political for the Supreme Court, but she's a judge. I think she'll take her job seriously. And I think, from what I saw, she legitimately doesn't want to be Trump's stooge. So I'm surprised that so many people think she'd blindly vote for whatever the president wants her to do. As soon as she's on the court, she doesn't own Trump any more favors. She's there for life. She owes that to him, but she could easily rationalize that she earned it more than he gave it to her.
And if the court is brought a flimsy case, whether there are 3 Republicans, 6 Republicans, or 9 Republicans, it'll get shot down. Trump needs a ton of help to steal the election, and it doesn't look like he has a lot of friends right now. And I don't think "Come on, Amy! Throw out the votes that make me not win" is going to convince 5 justices to vote with Trump.
1,184 2020-10-20 11:22:49
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I don't see how going to war with Fauci helps him in *any* way. Isn't Fauci, while unpopular with MAGAs, mostly popular?
1,185 2020-10-19 16:11:57
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Trump now threatening to not do the final debate. Which leads me to believe that Trump either has no idea that he's losing or just refuses to believe it. Underdogs need debates
1,186 2020-10-19 08:59:19
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
So I've been watching some of the DC Universe shows. I watched Doom Patrol on HBO Max, Harley Quinn on SyFy and then HBO Max, and I've been watching Swamp Thing on CW and Stargirl on the CW app.
I'm actually fairly impressed with the shows they've come up with. I watched Titans season one last year and thought it was fun (although it felt a bit restrained). I really liked Harley Quinn - it's my favorite of the batch (but also gets the most freedom with animation). Doom Patrol was a lot of fun, but again, I feel like that show would've been better if it was more tied with Titans. Even just a cameo here and there would've been nice.
Swamp Thing and Stargirl are a little harder to read since they've edited for CW. I'm sure it's much worse with Swamp Thing, but as I'm currently watching Stargirl, something was bothering me.
Mainly....what is this universe they've created? It doesn't feel at all like a superhero universe. It feels like the JSA/ISA were completely underground, but at the same time, Wildcat had a Wikipedia page with all of his powers? A world where there used to be superheroes and then the villains killed them all is interesting - they seem to want the world to be identical to others but also there used to be open superheroes but most people don't seem to care/remember anymore.
1,187 2020-10-19 07:16:48
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Yeah, but he's also manipulatable, especially by Ivanka. He's down huge and he's spending all of his time with events that garner him zero new voters. The entire family's future depends on Donald winning, and no one has considered that these events are a giant waste of time?
1,188 2020-10-18 18:57:02
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
And I don't see the point. These are all people who are going to vote for him no matter what. The *only* possible outcome is that people get sick at these events and then can't vote. There's no way an undecided voter is going to go to one of these events. I just don't see the point.
(And of course the point is to stroke Trump's ego. But the rest of the family wants him to win, right?)
1,189 2020-10-16 07:21:01
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
If you listen to Nate Silver talk about his model, he seems to go overboard in discussing the faults of the model itself and all of the systems that were put in place to make it as "fail-proof" as possible. I've been listening to their politics podcast while I feed our baby, and I'm not sure which one it was...but the host asked him about how the model works.
He essentially said that if you look at the polls and trust that the polls are correct (that the data is correct, that people are giving honest-enough answers, that the sample and sample size are correct, etc) that Trump's chances are probably lower than the 13% chance that he's getting now. The model anticipates that the race will tighten towards the end, and it anticipates that something could happen. A vaccine could come out. Biden could have a major gaffe or a negative October surprise. Stuff like that. The model is also trying to account for the idea that there could be voter suppression at historic levels, and/or that Trump could do things to "steal" the election.
But what's interesting to me is that he said that, even if Biden expanded his lead nationally and in key states, the model would almost never kick back a result much less than 5% for Trump. Because he's admitting that the model will never be perfect enough to 100% predict no matter what the polls say. I find that interesting.
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I didn't watch either town hall. I can't imagine that such a format helped either candidate. I'm sure Trump got more viewers and will brag about it, but it won't matter. The viewers were either his devoted base or people watching the car wreck.
1,190 2020-10-15 09:37:32
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I don't buy the Primary Model. I think, if anything, it's correlation. Incumbents tend to win, and incumbents tend to run unopposed. People running against incumbents tend to have wide open races. If it's a race between no incumbents, I can buy the enthusiasm metric.
I'm not saying Trump can't win. But 91% for Trump implies that TONS of people are lying about voting for Biden, and there's been no evidence of that. And I think the hardest part about shy voters or lying voters is that there's been a stunning consistency to this race. If you look at the national polls, it's been remarkably consistent since March. If you look at the state polls, they're pretty consistent.
If they were polling the same exact group of people every time, then I could buy the lying argument. But there are dozens of polls, all trying to poll different groups. Conservative polls, liberal polls, independent polls, international polls. Polls of likely voters, polls of registered voters, polls of all voters. Polls in every state. And in all those polls, it's Biden up by 3-15 points all along the way.
So yeah there could be a certain percentage of Trump voters that don't want to admit that they're going to vote Trump or are lying to screw with polls. But for the results to be the same, that group of liars/shy people have to remain consistent regardless of the sample. They can't randomly draw a group of people that is more likely to be shy or lie - otherwise the results would tip way in favor of Biden. They can't find people who are less shy or less likely to lie, or it'd show Trump winning.
We aren't really seeing those polls. Which tells me that there aren't that many people that are doing it because you'd expect to see those people show up in the polling unless it was *very* coordinated.
Trump can definitely win. One thing that I'm seeing a lot of Trump people talk about is that percentages aren't a score. Even if the Primary Model is right, Biden has a 9% chance to winning. According to 538, Trump has a 13% chance of winning. These aren't small odds. People in casinos make those kinds of bets all the time. I need an ace on the river! I need the dealer to bust. I need lucky 21!
Not likely. But the unlikely happens all the time.
1,191 2020-10-13 16:17:16
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Thank you! Was a great honor to vote for Mr. Biden. And being in a redder part of Texas, I made sure to double check my selection, both on the screen, and on the printed-out ballot. Nothing changed and Biden's name clearly printed.
1,192 2020-10-13 15:07:18
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
The issue isn’t left wing vs right wing. It’s about critical thinking versus cult thinking.
Oh, I agree. But I still like to hear the far right insanity. Maybe because I feel like I'm immune to it. But I think hearing the crazy helps me center myself with the sane.
Classic villain origin, I know.
As for the election night, it's likely many states like Wisconsin or Pennsylvania will not be close to done counting. However, Arizona, Ohio, Florida, Texas probably will. Even if they are super close or Trump narrowly prevails in say Ohio, you can make demographic/exit poll comparisons to the slower states.
Yeah this was the crux of the article I posted. If Biden wins Florida, there's a chance he's at 270 before Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, or Michigan are even counted. And, honestly, it really isn't even that big of a stretch. That's Biden winning Arizona (where he's up fairly big) and Florida. Trump could win Iowa, Ohio, North Carolina, and Georgia, *and* sweep Wisconsin/Michigan/Pennsylvania and Biden still wins.
And there are still so many paths to victory for Biden if he doesn't win Florida, but any notion of Trump pulling funny business ends if Biden gets Florida. Which we should know election night.
(Everything that I said would also work, obviously, if Biden gets Texas - which I still view as a fair longshot - I'd agree with 538's guess that it's around 30% - but that's still higher than their prediction that Trump wins at all)
1,193 2020-10-13 12:35:01
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Voted! Very nice to finally get to do that!
1,194 2020-10-12 14:53:10
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/1 … ght-428856
This is an interesting thoughtpiece. Trump will certainly press for a winner on Election night, but what if he's not winning? He'll obviously pivot to some sort of "let's count the ballots" stance, but he's got very few paths to victory, and as the article says, essentially zero that will be counted by election night unless he flips some states he's not expected to win.
The hope is that Trump isn't winning enough states on Election night (with just the votes that have been counted) that he can say "ELECTION OVER" and try to get people to stop counting.
1,195 2020-10-12 14:50:08
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Yeah I mistyped I guess. I don't think he'd kidnap a governor or intimidate voters. But I could definitely see him not social distancing and not wearing a mask at a rally.
I think we're probably worse off, conversation-wise, without someone from the other side (we're all at least left-leaning I think), but I think too far in the other direction is a bit toxic.
1,196 2020-10-12 08:34:05
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Every time I see an article about crazy people in Michigan trying to kidnap the governor, I wonder if Informant were among them.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/0 … gan-427953Every time I see an article about people catching COVID after they went to a Trump rally without a mask or social distancing, I wonder if Informant is one of them.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/0 … ses-428425Every time I read about poll watchers trying to intimidate voters, I wonder if Informant has enlisted among them.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/0 … ing-427008
This is probably true and that's sad.
1,197 2020-10-12 07:23:18
Re: Random Thoughts about TV, Film and Media (698 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
It seemed to me like an updated version of Enemy of the State based on the promos. With Slattery as the Hackman character.
1,198 2020-10-08 14:57:13
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Biden doesn't want to pack the Supreme Court, but he may have to. He has no enthusiasm for altering US institutions in such a fashion, but he recognizes that the court is already packed with Trumpists and Republicans. He doesn't want to eliminate the filibuster, but he may have to if he wants to get anything done.
This makes some sense. I've been listening to a lot of FiveThirtyEight's political podcast recently, and they speculated that Biden should pull a "you made me do this" with the Republicans. Saying they won't stack the court if they don't proceed with their nomination. That 4-5 may be preferable to 7-6. But maybe he can't say that because it would make the senate races worse. Maybe someone like Lindsey Graham wins their race because Republicans know they can't lose the Senate and the White House.
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It sounds like they might agree to an in-person debate for October 22. I think that would make some sense, but if I'm Biden, I don't see the point. He debated Trump. His VP debated Pence. I don't think there's a ton of room for this race to get much more lopsided than it already is. I think there's only room for it to get closer. There's no point in risking it. The debates aren't adding anything to the race, and there's just the risk that Biden says something that either loses moderate voters or far left ones.
I'm sure Biden doesn't want to besmirch the process, and I'm sure he doesn't think he can ruin it. But we're really close and Biden's both winning over new voters and strengthening his lead.
1,199 2020-10-08 09:55:28
Re: Star Trek in Film and TV (and The Orville, too!) (746 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I finished Lower Decks this morning. I really liked it. I hope they do more of it. I also hope they do their best to take it a little seriously (like I feel they did in the finale). This is canon (I think) and it's our only true look at Starfleet post-Nemesis.
1,200 2020-10-08 07:46:45
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
My only notes from the debate:
1. I don't know why Harris and Biden won't give a straight answer on stacking the Supreme Court. Obviously evading the question is the same as answering it. Just like Pence and Trump obviously evading the "will you accept the results" is the same as answering it. They need to have a better answer, or they just need to say "yes, we plan on doing that." What they're doing is effectively the same thing.
2. I thought Pence came off very unlikeable. I don't know if Harris did a good job, but Pence came off as disrespectful and haughty. His answer on the "will you accept the results" question was just as disturbing as Trump's, and I have no idea why Harris and the moderator (who I thought was terrible) let him get away with it. I've always seen Pence as the RNC liaison to Trump. To see him use the same "I don't think we're going to lose so there's no point in even talking about it" was disturbing.