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Would there be violence?  I would think so.

Anything I would consider all out war?  I don't see it.  I know people are going to be upset and mad, but I just don't know if people are willing to fight to the death over Donald Trump.  On either side.  Because we get this every election - people saying they'd move to Canada if so-and-so didn't win.  No one ever does.  Because moving to Canada is hard and expensive, and they don't want any more Americans up there right now.

I think there would be protests and looting in either case.  And violent celebrations like when a country wins the World Cup or when a city wins the Super Bowl.

But again, I don't think people are willing to die for Donald Trump.  And there would still be police and the national guard and even the military to quickly put anything down before anything got out of hand.

I think we get big and tough and have a lot of bluster when we're online.  But when it comes down to it, are people going to endanger their lives because the guy they like didn't win the presidency?  Endanger their kids lives?  Burn down all the things they claim to love in some sort of temper tantrum because they didn't get what they wanted?

I hope everyone is better than that.

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Chaser!  Whoa, blast from the past!

And just for the record, I don't think this has any chance of happening.  But I think as far as unrealistic chances to revive the show, I think this one works.  I don't really have any interested in a Harley Quinn-style, violent and adult cartoon.  But they've been able to do animation during the pandemic, and I could see studios trying to get more animation projects in while they're profitable.  If they happened to ask Jerry and he happened to think Sliders, I think it would work.

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RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

honestly, I dont think anyone would use the brand for an animated show.  It requires permissions, and reduces ownership of the new thing.   As a sequel of the original, people would want live action.   As a reboot, I don't think anyone would see the value of putting it under the  brand.

Oh I 100% agree and have made this same argument myself.  I don't think there's any reason for any creator to make a new version of Sliders.  You can essentially do the same concept for free without much tweaking.

My thought is only this: if Sliders were ever going to come back, it would be via Jerry O'Connell.  Torme and the other creators are either too old or too out of the game for anything to have happened.  Jerry is the only one who seems noticeably interested in a return because he'd be the star and he has fond memories of the experience.  If Sliders were ever going to return, he'd have to be the champion.

And since Jerry is on Star Trek: Lower Decks, he has the ability to make the right networking connections in animation.  He could find the right talent to either recruit someone to make a demo reel for him or at least hire the right people to get the show done the right way.

Animation also fixes several problems that a live-action story cannot.  Jerry O'Connell could voice a 20-something Quinn when he cannot do that in live action.  JRD can voice Arturo without possibly hurting himself in the process.  And most importantly, they could do all this without a huge time commitment on their part (since Sabrina and Cleavant have their own things going on).

A live action continuation is essentially off the table now.  It's too confusing and too muddled and the cast is too up in the air.  A reboot doesn't make sense logistically because it's too easy to do without the rights.  But an animated series gives Jerry an avenue, allows for a more flexible continuity, and allows for the ease of getting the actors back without a full acting commitment.  If it's ever going to happen, I feel like animation is the only road.

And, yeah, there are drawbacks.  It's not the preferred way.  But I've been watching a lot of animation this year, and I think it can be done really well.

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As long as the polling is even vaguely correct, none of this matters.  If you look at state polling, Biden already has more than 270 electoral votes even with Ohio, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, and North Carolina still in play.  Biden's likely voters need to vote and their votes need to count, but if that happens, all of this is essentially just stuff to talk about until Biden takes the White House.

I was starting to waver a little bit around the convention, but I'm back to supreme confidence in Biden's victory.  He has so many avenues to victory and Trump really only has one (win all the swing states and flip at least one Biden state).  That state might be Pennsylvania (which Biden is still winning but is now within the margin of error), but then Biden needs just about any state and it's over.

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So this morning I had a thought that was so simple that I was confident we'd talked about it before.  But I searched and it doesn't look like we've ever talked about it broadly (it was only mentioned once)

But with the popularity of shows like Rick & Morty and Star Trek: Lower Decks, why hasn't the idea of a Sliders animated series been discussed?  I know the real-world answer is "No one is really working on Sliders" but I think it might make a ton more sense than doing any sort of live action story.  They could do it in the style of Rick and Morty (which is becoming more popular, see Lower Decks) - goofy and out there, or they could do computer animation and take it more seriously like Rebels and Clone Wars.  Or something in the middle.

But Jerry's working on Lower Decks.  He's probably meeting the right people, and if he was ever truly interested in resurrecting the show, animation might make the most sense.  He could play Quinn at 20 or 40 or whatever.  You could get back JRD who could work safely from home.  And I think it would be easier to do more high-concept storylines because you could have a Russian army walking by the White House without having to do it small scale or use camera tricks. 

I even think they could make it kid-friendly and still make it work.  There's already a built in avenue to teach about history and science.  I don't mean full infotainment, but the Clone Wars was for kids but still handled mature and adult topics.

What do we think?

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And to catch up from 8 months ago....on the title.

I don't understand the titling either.  Birds of Prey is a cool title, and I think there's a version of this movie that works both as a Harley movie and a jumping off point for a Birds of Prey franchise.  But since this movie has no idea what it wants to be, I blame it all on a lack of focus.

I think they could've easily taken some notes from the Harley cartoon.  I think it would be interesting if Harley, after Suicide Squad, tries to go back to being a straight up villain.  She finds herself in a situation where her plan is working.  She and Joker have Batman incapacitated (so no need for Affleck, a body double would do) and they're about to release Joker gas across the whole city.  When she realizes....why is she doing this?  She doesn't *really* want to hurt people.  She is months away from saving the world from Enchantress...she liked being the good guy.  So she rewires the device, rescues Batman, and blows up the Joker's hideout instead of releasing the gas.  Is Joker dead?  Maybe - the movie won't say.  Where's Batman the rest of the movie - recuperating.

So with no Batman, Harley decides to try and recreate the team she had with the Suicide Squad.  But instead of people like them, she tries to find people like her.  A lounge singer who's in too deep with a mobster.  A vigilante out for revenge.  A pickpocket.  A cop who doesn't get the respect she deserves.  And a woman she and her ex really hurt.  No one trusts her, but she's able to prove to them that she's trying to be good.  She wants to be heroic.  And gets them to fight as a team.  And at the end of the movie, Harley realizes that she's not the right person to lead this team - Barbara is.  She shouldn't even be on the team - she's not a hero and she's not a villain.  She's her own thing.  Maybe she even turns herself in so that she can be back on THE Suicide Squad.

And so you have a Harley vehicle that has a clear connection to the rest of the universe (direct connections to both the first and forthcoming Suicide Squad movies, a Batman tie in that explains his absence, etc) while also sending the characters in a new direction.  Now there's a Birds of Prey team ready to protect Gotham.  Now Harley has grown as a character.  There's a vision from point A to point B and point B to point C and D.

But I wouldn't have called that Birds of Prey either.

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So I finally saw Birds of Prey.  I think the movie itself was fine, but I just kept thinking that it was incomplete.  I think the tone and the aesthetic are good.  I think if all the DC films were like this, it would've accomplished what Snyder seems to have wanted to do.  It feels like a world where Shazam and Superman and the Flash can exist with street level heroes.

The problem is that it's another movie set in Gotham where they don't really do anything with it.  They mention Joker but the entire movie takes place in Gotham's underbelly.  Where's Penguin and Riddler and Two-Face?  And not even just not shown - there's no clue of any of them existing.  Batman is briefly referenced but where is he?  And outside of the one in-joke to Boomerang, where is the reference to Suicide Squad?  Where's Waller?  Where's Flagg?  Is Harley wanted by any of them?

I mean, heck, where's Katana?  She's a badass female hero.  Why not throw her on the team?  She wasn't used in the last movie - flesh her out here?

I know it's a spinoff and Iron Man doesn't drop in to say hi in Ant-Man.  But this is a huge DC universe - why not go all out?  If you can't get Affleck or Leto, that's fine.  Get someone else.  Bring in Barbara Gordon or Jason Todd or Tim Drake.  Tease another movie.  Hint at the bigger established Gotham.  A ton of people were after Harley but they were all nobodies. 

I get it - DC is doing standalone films now with a light connection to everything else.  But at least use something from the movie Harley debuted in.  If you want it to be Girl Powered, Katana and Waller and Ivy and Batgirl are all women that would fit naturally into this story.  Instead you have a movie that barely features the Birds of Prey themselves in a plot about the Gotham underworld with just one comic book character.  It just felt like a missed opportunity.

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Transmodiar wrote:
ireactions wrote:

Chadwick Boseman has passed away.
https://variety.com/2020/film/news/chad … 234753232/

This hits hard because he is my age (a few months younger) and I was recently diagnosed with cancer. Fortunately, my medical outcome looks a little rosier.

Shit, man.  Here's to a quick and full recovery.  Kick its ass.

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Very sad.  This one shook me up more than most celebrity deaths because he seemed like such a nice guy, and he did so much even though he must've been mad at the world and felt so, so sick.

I have thoughts on the effects on the MCU, but I'll save them for a more appropriate time.

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Nate Silver wrote the other day that we're starting to see more polls with a post-convention bounce for Biden.  He said that the online polls don't usually show such bounces and that there weren't many phone polls to show it.

The idea that the polls are moving at all is crazy to me.  I don't understand it.  What could anyone have said at either convention that would change anyone's mind at all?  I listened to Biden's speech and it didn't tell me anything new or anything important.  The only question mark I can see in the population is:

- Traditional conservatives who will either not vote or vote for Trump deciding if it's worth the trouble of going to the polls in a pandemic to do so
- Progressives who are either going to vote for Biden or throw their vote away on a joke vote or something like that

That's really it.  I can't see anyone possibly going back and forth between Biden and Trump because they're so diametrically opposed to each other.  It would be like choosing to get burgers for dinner or drive 1000 miles, renting a boat, and going deep sea fishing.

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Yeah.  I understand that Trump's going to do whatever he's going to do, but I think it's crucial not to play directly into his hands.  I think whether or not you believe in the true concept of defunding the police, that the movement is harmful to Joe Biden.  I think regardless of whether or not the protests should happen, I think the ensuing violence (caused by whoever it's caused by) is harmful to Joe Biden.  And whether you want the police defunded or you want massive social change or you want the virus to slow, the best course of action will always start with electing Joe Biden.  No matter what your Step 2 is, Step 1 is getting Trump out of office.

BLM is inspiring, but at some point, it needs accountable leadership.  Every single BLM event needs to be overwhelmingly geared toward voting and voter registration.  Protests in October should be guiding people to early voting locations and ballot boxes.  Because no matter what you want or what you're fighting for, it's all for not if Trump gets re-elected.  Getting Black Lives Matter written on the NBA court is huge and important.  But like Chris Paul did the other day, every interview needs to veer toward getting people registered to vote and out to vote.  Because all the progress is lost if Trump wins.

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I watched both Obamas speeches, Kamala's speech, and Biden's speech.  Even Hillary's speech.

I thought they were all good.  I hadn't heard a full Kamala speech before, but I thought she gave a really nice, really tough, really humanizing speech.  I think Barack's speech was the best, and I respected how much Hillary teased herself in her speech. 

The thing that was the biggest deal to me was Biden's speech.  Not the content - we knew that.  But the speech himself.  He spoke for 24 minutes uninterrupted with very few verbal mistakes (well within the confines of a normal speaker) and the right tone throughout.  The talking points on Fox News were "he's reading off a teleprompter, how hard is that?" but that's not even the point.  My grandfather had the sort of cognitive decline they accuse him of, and there's no way he could speak continually for 24 straight minutes.  He'd momentarily forget where he was or what he was doing, and it would be noticeable.  The fact that he spoke that well tells me he's almost certainly fine as far as dementia goes.  In decline?  Maybe.  But certainly not in any danger right now.

I think it's funny because the Republicans have essentially set the bar so low for Joe that if he doesn't drool, Biden wins the night.  And various videos combated the "how hard is it to speak on a teleprompter" with tons of videos of Trump messing up while reading a teleprompter.

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I'm going to veer off for just a moment into Informant territory.  How weird is it that there was an officer-involved shooting in a swing state the week of the Republican National Convention?  Seems like just about perfect timing for Trump.  I don't think Trump's team is capable of keeping that a secret, but it certainly helps the GOP at the perfect time in just about the perfect place.  Hmm.

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ireactions wrote:

Snyder cut trailer: https://youtu.be/z6512XKKNkU

I'm not a huge fan of Zack Snyder, but I think that when a studio hires Zack Snyder, they should expect a Zack Snyder movie instead of a Joss Whedon movie and as much as I enjoyed JUSTICE LEAGUE (and I enoyed it a lot) -- WB, Geoff Johns, Diane Nelson and Jon Berg should have just let Snyder make the movie he was hired to make and let his team complete it instead of bringing in Whedon to change it. Would a Snyder film have been more successful? It would have at least had the benefit of standing or falling on its on merits.

So.....I don't get it. 

I understand why everything happened the way that it did.  WB was all in with Zack Snyder because they spent the early 2000s wasting most of their IP.  They had the Dark Knight the same year the MCU started.  They had the better movie, and the better cast of characters, but they were so late to the party that they had to try and catch up.  So they give Snyder full reign to get the universe kickstarted.  And because there was no one there with a love for the characters, Snyder's pitch of "EVERYONE IS BATMAN" worked because Batman was successful both critically and financially.  And because they were so rushed to compete with Marvel, they didn't have time to see if BvS worked.  It got a standing ovation internally and that was good enough.

But then like they did with everything before and after, they panicked.  And instead of letting Snyder do his thing, they literally got the Avengers guy to put a cheap Halloween costume on Zack Snyder's movie.

And now there's a pandemic and HBO Max needs content and they can give him a few million bucks to finish his movie.  A hundred things had to go this exact way for us to get here....


....but here's the thing.  I cannot get excited about this movie.  Because we saw it.  Sure, there were some dumb things that were obviously added by Whedon, but Whedon also gave us the first likable version of Superman.  I think there are fun character beats that I think were Whedon.  And I think the biggest thing is...Whedon was given a broken movie.  I don't think Whedon would've made the Justice League that his name is attached to.  It's completely unfair to refer to the theatrical version as Whedon's.  One is Whedon/Snyder and one is Snyder.  Snyder had a hand in both.

We aren't getting a totally new film.  It's the Ultimate Edition of BvS again.  Sure, it cleaned some stuff up, but the Ultimate Edition didn't solve my biggest problems with BvS.  And the Snyder Cut isn't going to solve my biggest problems with Justice League.  I mean, heck, Snyder essentially outlined his version for the Justice League trilogy and it sounded terrible.

I admire Zack Snyder because I think his vision is uncompromised.  And I'm glad that he's getting to finish his version of the movie because I'm sure he feels like he's going to finally heal from what was a very horrible and traumatic time in his life.  But BvS was Snyder's vision.  Snyder likes cool visuals and fun action sequences, but he doesn't have any interest in real character.  And that's why all his characters are essentially the same.  They're all Batman.  But not even the real Batman - a stylized version of Batman that only vaguely corresponds to the comic version.

I watched the trailer and it's just a new coat of paint on a movie we've already seen.  So I watched it and haven't thought about it since.

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It's crazy, but I think it's necessary.  The film shouldn't rely on a cheap trick (some sort of newspaper clipping of Bruce Wayne or something) to pull off the Flashpoint-level shock that Batman has changed (in the comics, that it's Thomas and not Bruce, here that it's Michael Keaton and not Ben Affleck).  So it could be a simple scene shot with Affleck out of costume and filmed at his easiest convenience to establish that Affleck is Wayne before transitioning to Keaton as Wayne.  Think of it as the Tom Welling approach.

I guess the biggest question is...who will be playing the Flash?

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I think it works, but AoS did a good-enough job in the last two seasons of simply ignoring the movies (in retaliation for themselves being ignored) that just about any theory works.  I did have my own thoughts, but it requires spoilers:

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There's a moment in the last couple episodes that they discuss the idea that they're no longer in the same universe - that they're on a diverging timeline.  Although this doesn't exactly jive with what we understand about this via Endgame, I was actually thinking at the time that it was a fairly genius way of dealing with everything.  They'd literally chart their own course and end up in a completely different universe - maybe on where there are no Avengers or Fury or anyone they'd need to step around.

It worked well enough in my head that I actually was a bit disappointed when it didn't happen.

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Boom! Very nice to see ACTION

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Anyone who would survive being infected by COVID-19 and isn't in proximity to the elderly needs to prepare protective gear and sanitizers in advance and vote early and in person. Anyone who must vote by mail needs to put their ballot in a ballot box. Anyone who can't reach a ballot box needs to mail on the day early voting is open.

I'm sure the Biden campaign is doing something like this, but they also need to be arranging for people to go around and pick up mail from people and deliver them to a ballot box or polling location.  If Trump wants to go after the post office, then Biden can create their own post office.

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Okay if Lower Decks is canon, then Trek can incorporate the Orville with minimal changes.

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I was sure they were.  This isn't necessarily going to be easy because the Republicans are good at this, but it's not exactly hard either.  I saw that there was a big social media push to make sure people send in their mail-in votes by October 22 to give the system enough time to get in and get in on time.  Hopefully this helps people get it done.  I also saw a campaign about the different ways to make sure your mail-in vote gets counted so, on some level, the Democrats are in the right area.

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It's a TV budget, but I feel like they put a lot of effort into it.  They did a good job with the time travel stuff, making it feel like they're in different time periods.  But with different inhuman powers and sci-fi weapons, it also looked pretty solid for TV.

Shots looked CGI when they got too ambitious, but I definitely didn't feel like the budget was hamstringing them.

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I enjoyed the Agents of SHIELD finale.  The show came so far, and I think it grew into a really solid companion piece to the MCU.  It was the little stepsister of the movies, but I think it found it's place.  Season one wasn't sustainable, and it had to do its own thing.  And even when the movies abandoned it, it was able to find ways to be interesting and cover relevant ground.

I wish they could've kept the connections to the movies, even just in special event episodes, but I understand why things went the way they did.  And maybe it was for the best.

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I was surprised that they didn't have any big cameos.  No Peggy Carter.  No Nick Fury (not even a young version unless I missed it).  I knew they wouldn't get an Avenger (even a minor one), but someone connected to the show made sense. 

But even without that, it was a good show with a good ending.  I'll miss it.

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ireactions wrote:

Even then, Slider_Quinn21, Salon and Lifehacker think that the sabotage of the mail can be bypassed if Biden's voters simply vote as soon as possible and the Democrat convention will reportedly feature guidance on how to fight the post office and do everything possible to get ballots counted.

This is sorta what I don't understand.  The Democrats have Trump's playbook, and they know all the plays that Trump a) can do and b) is capable of.  There won't be any surprises in November.

So I don't know why they aren't doing more things that directly oppose what Trump would do.  Focusing on making mail-in voting more reliable should be secondary to making sure that in-person voting can be done safely.  In-person votes aren't affected by Post Office shenanigans.  That should be the focus.  There should be massive online campaigns to get people to early voting locations as much as possible.  Coordinating volunteers to let people know the quick and safe places people can vote.  Coordinating ways to get off work to do so.  And if that's not possible, coordinating to get people in and out as quickly and safely as possible.  Biden-branded hand sanitizers, masks, gloves, and face shields.  Yes we're talking about 60 million voters during a worldwide pandemic, but they have the money, they have the resources, and they still have the time.

If a car burglar is on your street, you don't just put up a camera and hope to nab him in the act.  Sure, do that.  And get a car alarm.  But the safest thing to do is just put your car in the garage.

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FiveThirtyEight came out with their election forecast and gives Biden a 71% chance to win at this exact moment in time.  They're an interesting site because they seemed to give Trump the most chance in 2016.  The bad news is that the numbers aren't all that different from 2016.  The good news is that as long as nothing big happens between now and November, that number will just go up (seems like they're leaving about 20% of Trump's chances to stuff like Covid and August/September/October surprises - they say if the election was today it'd be 91%).

What's interesting is a something I never hear talked about - they've adjusted from what they learned in 2016.  So they're doing their best to take as much of what they've learned and adjusted it.  Secret Trump voters, lying to polls, voter suppression.  I think most people (mostly Trump people) assume that polls have the same flaws they had.

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I think it's the best choice.  He was backed into a corner in a bit to select a black woman (especially after his recent gaffes).  I don't know if she solidifies the black vote like Obama did (she has her own warts), but she was the best combination of actual experience and has been the vetted the hardest.

And I think Joe could've picked just about anyone and I don't think it would've done much to his votes.  People that are turned off by this pick weren't going to vote for him anyway, and people that liked the pick would've found another reason.  Sunrise, sunset.

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The GOP is broken.  There's no argument there.  The problem is that the GOP is so broken that we can't see that the Democratic Party is also broken.  Maybe irreparably broken.  They had four years to come up with the best plan to beat Donald Trump.  They had four years against a corrupt, dangerous, hateable monster of a president to come up with their hero.  Four years for every Josh Lyman in the country to go out and find their version of Matt Santos.  Or if you want an example from real life, for the next Barack Obama - someone who came out of nowhere and, faults or no, inspires people.

Because Barack Obama would destroy Trump in an election even more than Biden is.

And in four years, who was the primary Democratic voice against Donald Trump?  Pelosi maybe?  Bernie?  AOC?  Schiff? 

When Trump won, I was expecting two things to happen.  Neither did (so take anything I ever say with a grain of salt).  I expected the Republicans to support Trump until it made sense for them not to, and then they could replace him with Mike Pence (someone much more palatable to them and conservatives).  "You had your chance, Donald, but you blew it" and they'd help vote him out for the guy that made more sense. 

I also expected the Democrats to get their champion.  Someone who made their name attacking Trump.  Trump would be the dragon, and 2016-2020 would be a series of jousting tournaments to determine the brave knight that would take on the dragon alone.

And....Joe Biden?

They had four years to come up with something, and they picked Obama's VP?  Broken.  In fact, if you ignore the miracle that Obama was, then the Democratic choices have been pretty uninspired since 2000.  Gore.  Uninspired.  Kerry. Uninspired.  Clinton was supposed to win in 2008 - much like 2016, the field stepped back and expected her to run away with it - Obama was the no-name guy who she was supposed to easily run over so that the race looked like an actual race.  We all know how I feel about Hillary as a candidate.

I get why Biden is the choice.  He's recognizable.  He easily recalls a better time.  He's popular with the right groups.  And I think this is key, his age actually allows him to be a simple 4-year stabilizing force so that the country can breathe again and to give experience to Mayor Pete or Andrew Yang or Kamala Harris or even AOC.

But, man, I was expecting a better gauntlet for 4 years.  I was expecting this election to have the perfect candidate.  And while I probably like Biden more than most of you, he's definitely not that.

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I think there's a difference between worrying that Biden is worse than Trump and being worried about Biden in general.  I worry about Biden in general.  I hope that whoever he picks for VP is ready to take control of the nation if that becomes necessary.  I hope the people that he picks for his cabinet are ready for heavy lifting.  Secretary of State will be huge.  Because I have serious doubts that Biden can handle all that.  And we'll need a lot handled.

But essentially nothing could happen that would make Biden sink below Biden.  Nothing Biden could do would make me less confident in a Biden 2020 administration than a Trump one.  Again, Biden could be in a coma, drooling all day, and he'd be both more qualified and better at the job of president.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't be worried.

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If I were on the Biden team, I'd be doing everything I could to get people out to vote in person and early.  I don't know if if's the case everywhere, but I've voted early in every presidential election (disclaimer: I'm white).  And I'm fairly sure that, at least where I live, you can essentially vote wherever you want when you're early vote.  I've never been in a line, and I usually go after work.  So if the Biden team can send volunteers to certain places to a) make sure everything is as clean and organized as possible and 2) they get people in and out as quickly as possible.

If Trump's going to go after mail-in voting, Biden should make sure mail-in voting is as good as possible, but I'd also make sure that as few people as possible are mail-in voting.

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ireactions wrote:

Slider_Quinn21! This is Trump's plot! Oh my God, how can we stop it?

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 … a=taps_top

... how do you fight the post office?

I think that's plausible, but two things give me pause about it.  The first is that everyone assumes Trump does better than the polls think he will.  The story assumes that Trump is winning those three states before mail-in balloting - which somehow assumes that the entire difference in polling (6+ points in all three states) is made up of Democrats who will mail in their ballots.

But why are we assuming that only democrats will mail-in vote?

Republicans don't hate mail-in votes.  The story even says so.  Trump mailed in his vote.  Rich white conservatives aren't going to want to drive to a polling place in the pandemic either.  Mail-in voting is hated by Trump, but it's supported by everyone else.  So I don't see any reason to believe that mail-in votes would be much different from the rest of the votes.  They should be ~50% Biden and ~44% for Trump.

The second is the math, again.  Trump's margin of victory is *so small* - I went to 270 to win and did their default map.  Then I gave Trump those three states - Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.  He's barely ahead in Ohio so you give him that.  Even with all that, the election is essentially tied (233-232 Trump) with Arizona (Biden +3.7), Georgia (Trump +0.7), Florida (Biden +5.8), and North Carolina (Biden +2.1).  Trump would need to win 3 of those 4 states to get to 270.  And that's even in the mail-in theft scenario.

When you look at it that way, it's not a super plausible scenario.  It's a fear piece.  Now they're right if things fall exactly the way they think and things fall the way they did in 2016 and democrats are the majority of people who mail in their votes then sure.  But I think Georgia is up for grabs.  I think *Texas* is up for grabs.  I think Florida is becoming a lost cause.  I think Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin are in the same boat.  All the doomsday scenarios are dependent on a close race, but this doesn't seem like it's a close race at the moment.

Yes, the race could tighten.  Yes things could change.  But on August 4, I don't think Trump's close enough for any of the "steal the election" scenarios unless he's directly changing votes.  And like we've seen, I don't think Trump is capable of pulling that off.  Sideshow Bob couldn't, and he's way smarter than Trump smile

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Well, I think some of that is certainly possible, but I think we're allowing our nightmares to get the best of us.  We have to remember a couple of things that would drastically harm Trump's ability to do certain things:

1. If Trump is out, Republicans cannot help him scorch the Earth.  He may be leaving, but they aren't.  If Trump is setting fire to the Lincoln Bedroom and forcing himself to be carried out by the secret service or puts tanks in front of polling places, the Republicans will have to live with those images for decades.  It would put nearly every Republican politician in danger for the near future because it wouldn't just represent Trump - it would represent *them*.  I think that's part of the reason why Gore and Hillary didn't put up more of a fight than they did - it would reflect poorly on Democrats to do so.  So while, yes, Trump himself could potentially throw a fit, he wouldn't get support from anyone that wants to be in politics in 2021 and beyond.

That also might include his children.  If Ivanka or Don Jr. or Eric Trump want to be in politics, they can't be involved with a guy who threw the world's biggest hissy fit.  Same with Jared Kushner.  Trump can throw a temper tantrum, but it would tarnish the Trump name forever.  There's a really good chance that Trump's too narcissistic to care about his kids, but if they're fighting on it (because, again, they might want to have lives in the United States going forward), then it makes it harder.

Also remember that Trump's approval rating is hovering around 40%.  I think we like to think of Trump's MAGA people as all being indoctrinated wackos who worship him, but that number isn't anywhere near that 40%.  People support Trump because he's good for the economy or whatever - and setting fire to the country on his way out isn't going to be good for the economy.  Yes, you'd absolutely get white supremacists and evangelicals marching on behalf of Trump, but how many people is that in reality?

2. Trump's own incompetence.  People see Trump as this dictator figure who will pull off a suppression campaign with military precision.  But look at his presidency and tell me where he's shown any ability to pull that off.  He had a chance to do it in 2018 as a trial run, and the Republicans lost big.  His government, despite having control of the House and Senate for the first two years of his presidency, passed nothing.  He didn't repeal or replace Obamacare.  He didn't build a beautiful wall and Mexico didn't pay for it.  And even though it would've benefited him in every way to deal with the pandemic effectively, he botched that too.

Even when you look at his criminal enterprises, he's inefficient and sloppy.  He didn't win on Russia and Ukraine because the Democrats couldn't prove it - he won on technicalities.  He's winning on tax returns because of technicalities.

Trump doesn't know what he's doing and the people around him don't know what they're doing.  Trump might actively want to send the military to polling places, but he's just as likely to send them to the wrong polling locations or the wrong states entirely.  Nothing he's done so far has indicated that anyone in his administration is capable of pulling off a successful voter suppression organization, especially if he's lost support from the party.  And with the electoral map looking the way it is, he'll need to pull off something that he's just not capable of pulling off in my opinion.

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All that being said, Biden's team needs to keep up enthusiasm and do everything in his power to get people out voting early and voting in person.  There's plenty of time to organize efforts at a community level.  If people need to plan ahead, they can plan ahead.  How people can find time between the opening of early voting and the close of it.  How people can get their mail in ballots in quickly and efficiently.  There's tons of time to be working out kinks, and they know the Republican playbook.

With the map the way it is, if Trump is able to pull off a suppression campaign and win, Biden is going to have plenty of share of the blame because there's ways around everything Trump would try.

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Nice!!

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Agreed - hope it isn't true.  Although moving to streaming only can't be good for its future hopes.  I know some shows on streaming-only get longer runs, but it seems like most of these shows are 3-4 seasons and then go away. 

My favorite idea is still for CBS to buy the series and have it seamlessly reset in the Trek universe.

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The Clone Wars was fantastic.  On to Rebels!

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Trump tweeted inferring that he'd delay the election.  Something the Constitution is fairly clear that he cannot do.  It's a very desperate move that shows he knows he doesn't stand much of a chance.  It's looking very bad for him in Florida, and if he loses Florida, he essentially needs to win Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.  He's losing all those states too.

Trump's best chance is to hack into the election records and physically change votes.  I don't think there was any evidence of that in 2016.  He can stifle mail in voting and throw out voter eligibility, but it would need to be on a massive scale (10-15% of the total voters in the country).  And it would need to be vastly more successful than anything he's been able to pull off in the last four years.

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Grizzlor wrote:

Biden is at 49.6, Trump is at 41.2.  Biden is literally polling at 50%, with TEN 10% of the poll undecided.

I think there are no undecideds.  In my opinion, the undecideds on these polls know exactly who they're voting for.  If anything, these are the people that are either a) Trump voters who are embarrassed to say they support Trump and b) Bernie Bros and progressives who are too stubborn to admit that they're voting Biden.

I'm sure there's a portion of the population trying to decide which cartoon character they're going to vote for, but at the end of the day, I don't think anyone that's going to vote for Trump or Biden is still deciding.  I think the vast majority of people decided four years ago and nothing that happened in the last four years will impact.

If you think I'm wrong, ask yourself what it would take for you to change your vote between now and November.

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You guys are all assuming that Trump is capable in any way.  He's not.  I think he's tried and failed a ton.  I don't think he intentionally allowed any of his business ventures to fail - I think he likes to win and winning means success. 

The problem is that he is incapable.  It isn't that he's not trying.  It's that he's trying and failing.  He gets bad information from bad sources, and everyone around him has either been fired or sucks as bad as he does.  I think he absolutely wants his presidency to be a success.  He wants to be the best.  He wants to be re-elected.  He just doesn't have any idea how to do any of that.

Again, look back at the Wallace interview.  He legitimately thought that he US had the lowest mortality rate in the world.  No one who knows they're wrong would insist on bringing up the data.  If you get caught in a lie, you don't demand proof.  You move on.  He didn't which means he believed the lie.

I think he doesn't know how to work.  He doesn't know how anything works.  He doesn't understand the problem and so he has no means of fixing it.  So he asks someone dumb like Jared Kushner to fix it for him.  And they either come up with nothing or some ridiculous plan that won't work.  And then he asks Jared for a status update and Jared either lies or makes something up.  And Trump buys it.  When someone says that he's failing, someone tells him that it's fake news.

Imagine that you woke up onboard a Russian nuclear submarine.  Sirens are going off, lights are flashing, and you're all alone.  You get a message that says the submarine is speeding toward a trench and they won't be able to save you unless you turn it around.  You look around and see a bunch of buttons with characters in Russian.  You don't know what any of the buttons do.

If you die, it isn't because you weren't trying.  It will be a failure on your part, but you were way in over your head.  You might pray that someone saves you.  You might frantically press buttons hoping something will work.  You might just sit back and accept your fate. 

And maybe the radio keeps popping up and saying you're doing a great job.  Maybe a button you press turns off the sirens and the lights even though you're still in danger.  You would have no idea.  You're Trump.

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ireactions wrote:

Trump isn't trying. He cancelled his convention because it was clear that no one would attend. He has still taken no direct action to produce protective equipment and supplies or provide a federal response plan or to enact social distancing and use of masks. He has recommended untested drugs, suggested injecting bleach, insisted that the virus will go away on its own even when it's topped 140,000 deaths. He is unwilling to do anything about the pandemic because its mere existence reflects on him poorly and disrupts his delusional world of magical thinking.

I think he's trying.  I just don't think he knows what he's doing.  All the people in his circle don't know what they're doing.  His son-in-law is in charge of everything, and he has no qualifications.

If he didn't care, he wouldn't have worn a mask.  He wouldn't have gone through with the shutdown.  He wouldn't have done anything.  But he's done enough to show that he's trying but hasn't done nearly enough because he's confused.

In the event of an electoral defeat, Trump's immunity to prosecution expires at noon on January 20, 2021, a day he is undoubtedly dreading.

More reason to think he'll find somewhere to take asylum, and that's where he'll be election night.

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Grizzlor wrote:

This guy has become the flashpoint on just about everything.  Violent protests, coronavirus surges, Russian bounties, massive unemployment, I could go on and on.  Even when he shouldn't be in the middle of it, he keeps interjecting himself, misguiding his supporters and haters to take stupid sides and go to war.

I agree with this.

But to be fair, I think we also inject Trump into everything.  I follow a very select few of what I consider to be reasonable people who are truly conservative/Republicans that are wary of (but not fully against or fully supportive) Trump.  I do this because I feel like I need to at least understand where these people are coming from.  In the age of "block everyone who disagrees with you", I try to at least be educated so I don't start believing that everyone agrees with me.  I think that's how radicalization happens.

And these people get frustrated because people make everything about Trump.  Does he suck?  Yes.  Is he doing a terrible job?  Yes.  But I think we too often drag him into situations that he doesn't belong.  For example, there was a widely circulated video of a great lightning strike behind the Statue of Liberty.  That quickly devolved into Trump.  Trump didn't say anything about it (or maybe he did, I don't follow him) and the event itself had nothing to do with Trump.  And the conservatives I follow were exhausted by the idea that a cool weather shot ended up getting political.  I know there's symbolism there, but I think we need to be enjoying moments that Trump isn't affecting and not making *more* things about him.

The sad thing for us is that I think Trump is actually trying.  Covid is going terrible for him, and unlike BLM, there's no political reason for him to handle it the way he is.  I just think he's in over his head and has no idea what he's doing, and he's surrounded himself with sycophants that don't know what they're doing.  So it's just this circular disaster that he can't pull his way out of.

Biden, for his faults, at least has an inkling of what he's doing.  But more importantly, he can surround himself with people who know what they're doing.  And he's capable of replacing people who don't.

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Trump's only path to victory is to make incredibly big improvements across the board by November.  Improvements in the economy, in jobs, in housing, in healthcare.  He might need to completely end the Pandemic by November if he wants to win.

Since he doesn't know how to do any of that...

What's funny is that Trump's best chance was to do his job well, and he still couldn't do that.

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Change doesn't only have to come from Congress.  Change can simply come about from rejoining the Paris Accords.  Helping shift the country towards cleaner energy.  Working with our allies on pandemic prevention and response.  Stuff like that is easily done from the executive branch.  Trump has done next to nothing legislation-wise, but we've still felt the impact of his presidency.

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If Biden wins, it'll be up to a lot of people to hold him to any progressive ideals he's discussed.  Even if they're not in his cabinet or administration, he's going to need to listen to all the progressives that have helped him get elected.  A man of his age in whatever health he's in is going to need a lot of help, and I'd like to see his administration full of young and diverse people looking to make positive change and undo any harm Trump has done.  We may not expect Biden to get a lot of change done himself, but people he hires can absolutely help.

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I'll put that clip up against any Sleepy Joe video the MAGAs want to throw at him.  I don't think Trump has dementia, but I don't have any idea why he was given that test.  Maybe he asked for it and his doctors gave it to him for a laugh.  If it wasn't a real test, we know that Trump wasted at least (per him) 30 minutes to an hour messing around with a meaningless test.  If it was real, he's either showing symptoms of dementia, Alzheimers or Parkinsons.

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TemporalFlux wrote:

People are scared to tell anyone they’re voting for Trump, though.

Putting a sign in your yard is one thing, but an anonymous poll?  I don't know if there's enough people that trend that way.  And if they did, where would they end up?  Would they go as far as to say they're voting for Biden?  To impress some random pollster?  Or would you say undecided?  Or say they won't vote?  Because Biden is usually winning states by higher than the undecided level of votes.

Are Trump voters screwing with the polls to make it look like Biden is going to win?  Maybe.  But I also don't see the point in that.  Because voter suppression works the other way.  Why would fiscal conservatives that don't like Trump that much bother going to vote if he's going to get crushed?  You'd only hold your nose and vote if you thought it would matter.  Sure, the hardcore MAGAs will go no matter what, but how many of those people are there?

Transmodiar wrote:

If Covid wasn't around Biden would be in terrible shape; he's a bully and a hothead, just not as big of one as our Cheeto-in-Chief.

I absolutely agree that Biden isn't doing much to gain votes, but Biden was winning before this all started.  So was Bernie.  So was Warren.  So was Mayor Pete.  So was Yang.  They were all winning.  "Vote Blue no matter who" was and still is in full force.  So whether it was Biden or Popeye or Tony Soprano or John Kerry or Liz Warren or or whoever, the result was trending the same way.

Can it turn around?  Sure.  Can Biden mess it up?  Absolutely.  But Biden has so many things going for him. The one (1) thing that Trump can brag about is the economy, and it's only going to get worse.  Covid isn't going to get better no matter how much he decides to flip-flop on masks.  The school thing can only backfire on him (if nothing happens, he won't get enough points - if anything goes wrong, it torpedoes him with the middle class).  And Trump isn't going to be able to get the level of crazy momentum he got from rallies because people are going to be just as hesitant to show up as they were in Tulsa.  Biden has BLM rallying for his cause, and Obama is already more active for him than he was for Hillary so I would expect the black vote to be back in play (which helps him in Michigan and Pennsylvania).

Yes, Trump is losing more than Biden is winning.  But ireactions is right, this is the strategy that anyone would've taken.

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Transmodiar wrote:

What does it say that Trump has to have failed SO badly in managing the COVID-19 crisis for Biden to have any shot unseating him in November?

I know you're down on Biden, but Trump was a long shot to win no matter who his opponent was going to be.  We can argue all day about whether Biden is the worst candidate or a boring candidate, but he's *crushing* Trump.  Trump is going to have to work his ass off to get to 200 electoral votes at this point.  If this was Obama, Trump might struggle to get to 100 electoral votes.

I've said this so many times but the math is the math.  The US has had shifting demographics for a long time, and there just aren't enough white conservatives to justify the GOP's insane "only campaign for whites" agenda.  I live in Texas, which everyone would expect would be Trump country and I don't know one (1) person who would vote for him.  I don't even think I know someone who would lie about it and then vote for him secretly.  Polls in Texas are showing Biden up.  I don't think Biden wins Texas, but the fact that it's even in play shows how much trouble the Republicans are in.  Because if the Democrats have Texas, New York, and California, it's over.  Absolutely over.  And that's not only a real possibility - it's a near certainty.

And we can take a shit on polls all we want and point over and over again to 2016 as the main reason, but 2016 was such an aberration.  Things that are one in a million happen once every million times - it doesn't mean that the percentages were wrong if that one time happens first or fifth or whenever.  Yes, the polls were wrong, but they've never been that wrong before or since.

Trump was so bad his whole presidency that no matter who emerged from the Democratic field, he was going to lose.  That's why every single candidate (Bernie, Warren, Biden, Mayor Pete, Klobuchar, Yang, etc) was polling ahead of Trump.  The math was on their side.

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The whole Trump experience is exhausting.  I am pretty level headed and have a high tolerance for stupidity so I don't have a problem reading comment sections and going Twitter diving to try and understand what people see.  What drives me the craziest is the backwards logic people are willing to use.

Sleepy Joe.  Biden has dementia.  He's so old.  Trump is also old.  Trump took a dementia test for some reason.  And Trump is constantly golfing, either because he needs to de-stress or because he wasn't working hard in the first place.

Tara Reade.  Biden is a rapist.  Biden is a pedophile.  Trump has a whole wikipedia page devoted to his rape accusations.  He has ties to Epstein.  He regularly dates women decades and decades younger than him.

Biden was VP for 8 years.  Why didn't he fix anything?  Trump is in office *now* and isn't doing anything.

I'm sure Biden isn't a saint.  I'm sure Trump isn't actually the devil.  I'm sure there are anecdotal stories that could make both sound like either.  Sure, Biden could've done more in 40 years of service.  But at the end of the day, he at least knows what he's doing and will hire people who know what they're doing.  I watched the entire Wallace interview, and Trump is just a buffoon.  Even when he's making good points, he's a buffoon.

Two different times, he stopped the interview to fact check something he'd said.  Both times he was wrong.  But something was striking about it - he was *so* convinced he was right.  And both times, he inferred that he was *told something* about it.

It's been said many times that Trump doesn't read his briefings.  It's been surmised as well that Trump could either be illiterate or at least functionally illiterate.  My thought is that a lot of Trump's "lies" are actually things he was told by someone that he believed.  I think Trump likes to hear good news and people tell him good news to keep him in a good mood.  Or he reads it on some conservative site and believes it.

Either way, we need a change.

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Grizzlor wrote:

Well, we've brought the virus under control in NJ, NY, CT, PA, MA.  Yeah it took awhile of quite a bit of hardship, but we still did it with almost no worthwhile help from Trump.  Had he stood with the doctors, the country would be where Europe is right now, or Canada, or yes even China.  Instead we're as bad as Brazil or Russia.

Yeah but it'd be just as bad or worse in the South.  If Hillary had suggested wearing masks, I think even less people would've listened to her.  There might not even have been shutdowns as Republican governors would've worked against Hillary.  I think the divide might've even been worse because there would've been irate/irrational hate against the Clinton administration as the election draws nearer.

I don't know how a President Clinton would've made any of that better.

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Grizzlor wrote:

This virus is worse than people realize.  It may never go away, like the common cold, and infect people year after year.  Immunity, even with a vaccine, sounds unlikely to last very long.  At some point, society may just have to live with it, and those who are sickly or at risk, will be totally fucked.

Well, remember the virus evolves as well.  A "smart" virus evolves to be less deadly.  A virus that kills a bunch of people is a "dumb" virus, and evolution tends to keep those down.  Not only that, a quick-killing virus is less likely to spread.  A no-killing virus is more likely to spread and survive.

I think coronavirus will survive but like with the common cold and the flu, we'll find an equilibrium with it.  We'll live and it will live.  Yeah there will be a cold/flu/corona season, but we'll have a vaccine.  So when you get it, it'll knock you on your butt for a few days but it won't kill as many people or be as big of a problem.

ireactions wrote:

Slider_Quinn21, do you regret being against a President Hillary Clinton? And would President Clinton be worse? I think you were definitely worried and even certain that she would have dragged the US into additional wars and the very worst aspects of neoliberalism.

I don't regret being against her.  She was a bad candidate and deserved to lose.  And she played a role (if not a key role) in convincing Trump to run.  She got the exact opponent she wanted, and we're paying for it.  And I think she stymied democracy in the Democratic Party for two decades to get elected.  Obama being a miracle candidate was the only reason it didn't show up earlier.  I don't believe in any of the crap coming out of the right about her being a killer or a sex criminal or anything, but I think she's a bad person.  And I don't believe in voting for bad people.

I'm glad she lost.  I wasn't thrilled that Trump won, but I'm less mad at him and more disappointed in everyone else.  I thought the leaders in Europe and the rest of the West would step up and do more in the US' absence.  They really haven't done much.  I thought a clear enemy like Trump would spawn a new generation of politicians that want to be everything Trump isn't.  I haven't seen that.  I thought the GOP would stab him in the back the first chance they got.  They didn't.  I thought the loss would be a wakeup call that would get the Democrats to clean up their own house.  They haven't.

I think President Hillary would have done significantly better than Trump on the virus.  I think she would've listened to scientists earlier, and I think she would've worked better with everyone to get better materials and better protection.

But I think America was in a bad place for this.  People were worried about America's readiness for a pandemic in the Obama era.  Hillary wouldn't have dismantled the task force, but I don't know how much good that would've done.  America's healthcare problem would've continued under Hillary because the Republican Senate would've killed everything she tried to pass.

I think Trump has been terrible, but our problem is societal.  The problems in New York would've still happened.  And I think the issues in the South would've been worse.  People in the South are resistant to government-based lockdowns and mask requirements and school closings with Trump.  How bad would it be with Hillary?  George Floyd still would have died with Hillary so the protests would still be happening, causing issues politically.

America is really big and with really high global traffic and a citizenry that doesn't like being told what to do.  Wearing masks in Asia is commonplace.  More socialist places in Europe and Canada are more happy to follow government instructions for the common good.  America still has that rebellious spirit, and that would've happened under Hillary or Obama or Bush or whoever.  Trump made it worse, but I don't know how much worse.  The tests would've been better.  The doctors would've been more prepared.  The scientists would've been up front.  But I honestly can't say whether or not there'd be less deaths or less cases.  I think we were in trouble either way.

We love alternate history here, but I honesty don't think it'd be noticeably different if Hillary had won.  Trump is an all-time crook and phony, but he's been very ineffectual politically.  I think he's done some economic and global things that will have ramifications down the road, but I'm not one of those people that think it's going to take decades to get passed.

I don't know if that answers your question.  I don't think I would vote for her in 2016 if I had the chance, and my vote wouldn't have mattered either way if I did.

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I remember liking Batman Forever too.  It wasn't as campy as Batman and Robin or as dark and depressing as Batman Returns.  I probably think Forever is just as good as Batman 89 just in a different way.  I never liked Returns - it's just too dark and weird for me.

I think if Schumacher had dialed back the neon, I think it would've felt right as a sequel to Returns.  But I also think the neon makes sense in a lot of ways.  After the insanity of the Burton movies, I think the city would've gone neon to try and brighten itself after the dark insanity of the beginning of Batman's era.

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RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

Twilight Zone Season 2 has some good stuff.  Been very impressed.

Did you like season one?

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I'll be watching for sure.  I'm fascinated to see how it works out, especially since the show was so much about Kate.  I also hope the fans are nicer to Javicia than they are to Candice Patton.

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Regarding Sawyer, I just saw your previous post about the cast not supporting him.  I wonder if they can't publicly.  Grant Gustin didn't support him, but he also didn't condemn him.  I think he's toeing the line because he can't appear to support what Sawyer said, and he can't support Sawyer without appearing to do that to some people.  I think a brief but firm statement is the best he can do.  I hope if they genuinely thought he'd changed and was a good person and a friend that they'd call him personally and try to help out in some other way.

I don't think Sawyer is an amazing talent, but he's likeable.  I think he'd actually be a pretty decent Quinn Mallory in the right circumstances - he gives me a 1995 Jerry O'Connell vibe - someone who is obviously classically attractive with action movie star qualities, but who seems a bit too quirky to pull it off.

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Here's a question I read online:

If Trump agreed to quit today, but in exchange, he got a 30-minute variety show that would be aired nightly until he died on *every* channel....would Americans be okay with that?  He gets to be on TV every night (with 100% ratings) for the rest of his life, and we get rid of Trump.  I'm 100% sure he'd do it - he brags about TV ratings for his briefings so I think the part he likes most about being president is the fact that everything he does is newsworthy.

But if he quit today, people would still have to call him Mr. President for the rest of his life.  He'd still have unlimited business opportunities.  And everything he did would still be newsworthy.

I figure he'd take that trade, especially if it meant he didn't have to lose.

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Here's a question I wonder about: does Trump like being president?  I think he likes the power.  I think he likes the attention.  But does he actually like the job?  He can have power and attention and do any number of things.  He's done enough where he can get (more) wealth and attention doing anything else.  He could "write" a book - he could get a movie easily made about his life.  He could get a TV show with just about any network.

I agree that he'd probably do anything to keep the job, but I can't imagine he likes the hours or the work.  He doesn't seem to like the press conferences.  I think he could have essentially everything like he likes about the job without the job.

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The question I have to ask is this: if Joe Biden truly felt that he was cognitively unable to do the job, would he both 1) allow that to be tested and 2) step aside if it was deemed that he was?

Then ask the same two questions about his opponent.

Joe Biden is old.  He's not going to be as sharp as he once was.  And when that stuff happens, it happens fast.  But Biden also cares about the office and the country more than Trump does.  So I'm willing to trust that he'll know when he can't handle the job.  Trump hasn't realized in three and a half years that he can't handle the job, and that hasn't stopped him from trying for eight.

If we don't want crazy old men, we should stop nominating crazy old men.  Until then, we'll have to do the best with what we have.

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ireactions wrote:

I find it unlikely that Russia would protect an ex-President Trump who would have nothing to offer Russia after his resignation. That said, I also found it unlikely that Russia would grant Snowden asylum, so what do I know?

He was the president of the United States for four years and has tons of state secrets.  He also has a base of millions of Americans that they could use him to manipulate.  He'd be the greatest state asset in the history of the world, no?

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TemporalFlux wrote:

This is the reality.  Trump’s pattern is to find a way to claim he won even when he lost, and he can’t do that if he just surrenders and quits.  No way Trump drops out.

See, I think the ego would stand in front of that.  Trump is the kid who would turn the video game off before the end of the game so that it doesn't record a loss.  If he drops out, he can claim fraud without officially having had lost.  His election record would be undefeated.  Gore may think he won in 2000 and might tell people that he probably actually won, but the history books record that he did.  But they don't record that LBJ lost in 1968 because LBJ dropped out.

This is all 100% dependent on him knowing that he will lose.  If he thinks he has a shot, he's staying in the race.  But I don't see him sticking in an election that he knows he's going to lose, even if he can claim shenanigans.  Because he can claim shenanigans and (truthfully) say that he never lost by dropping out.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/04/upsh … p-out.html

This was a discussion back in 2016.  It obviously didn't happen then (and hurts the argument that he would), but it also shows that it's something that has been discussed before.

The other sort of long shot theory behind it is all the charges that potentially await Trump if he doesn't win.  The best way for him to escape that is to literally escape that.  Wouldn't it be wild if he did a "diplomatic" trip to Russia, announced he was not running, and then never came back?  His old pal Vlad could protect him, and there's nothing the US government could do about it.  A trip to Russia as president could be suspicious but at least has a reasonable explanation.  A trip to Russia after losing the presidency is going to be harder to pull off.

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I think there's something to the idea that he could drop out before November.  It's looking more and more like he'll get crushed.  And even if the polling is wrong, his ego won't chance that.  He'll take his ball and go home first.  It's play 1 in his playbook.

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I'm to season five of Clone Wars.  I always thought of it as a kids show, but it deals with a lot of fairly adult topics.  The show isn't sexual or overly violent (and with clones and droids, the show kinda gets away with the violence that's there) but they deal with just about everything else you'd expect in an adult TV show.  I think it's done a pretty good job of fixing the mistakes of the prequels - they make Anakin and Obi-Wan seem like true friends, and they flesh out much of the time between episodes II and III.

I'll have some more commentary when I finish, but one thing I'm struggling with is the hopelessness of it all.  Every victory for the "Republic" is a victory for the Empire (and to a lesser but still true extent, the First Order).  When a planet is won or converted to be under Republic rule, I understand that they'll soon be under the boot of the Empire.  Big wins for the clones are big wins for future stormtroopers.

When you start looking at it that way, it's less fun. 

Other than that, I'm really enjoying it.  And I'm excited to see the sister series in Rebels when I'm done.

(All this is in preparation for Season 2 of the Mandalorian)

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That flag is simple, but I like it.  The flags that I like best are the ones that are simple.  Texas has a great flag, and it's the simplest version of the American flag.  New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, Alaska....just a flag with colors and some sort of symbol.  When a state flag has too many things going on (what are you doing, Maryland?) with an intricate seal or writing (several states have the name of the state written on it for some reason - if you make a great flag, people will recognize it without telling them).

To me, a great flag should be able to be drawn freeform by a child with crayons and be recognizable to most people.  I'd maybe invert the white and the blue on that flag.  Or leave it as it is - I think it would instantly be a top 20 state flag (there are so many bad ones IMO)

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I can't speak to the black experience so I won't even try.  I think the majority of protesters are legitimately trying to drive real change.  I also acknowledge that a *ton* of people are using the protests for their own gain.  Yes, there are people who are taking advantage of the situation to loot.  Yes, there are people on the ends of the political spectrum that are trying to seed chaos.

I wish the protests had been different.  When doctors and scientists went from saying "no one should gather" to "well, some people can gather" to "Trump's rally is ridiculous", they've politicized science.  And that's counterproductive.  I don't like Trump.  I support the protests (at least, for the most part).  But hypocrisy is hypocrisy.  And whether the Memorial Day parties are to blame, or the protests are to blame....the result is more dead Americans.

But the hypocrisy is giving the Trump people ammunition.  It does look like the scientists are picking and choosing what people are allowed to gather and who isn't.  I get that people felt the need to gather for the protests, but we need to acknowledge that the Trump people feel the same way. 

Trump is 100% making it worse but people that were disgruntled to lock down (but did it, for the most part) are now refusing to wear masks and refusing to lock down ever again. And while I think they're wrong, I sse their point.

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I thought the movie was going to be bigger too.  I had actually gotten into X-Files around the time of the movie.  I rented all the collections on VHS that they had, and watched the show.  I had read (god knows where) that the movie was going to pick up where the show left off.  I even went to an X-Files convention where they showed a trailer for the movie (and I got a script signed by Mitch Pileggi (god knows where that is).

The movie ended up just being a seemingly random two-hour episode.  Not even as good, in my opinion, as some of the two-parters we'd seen on the show.

Maybe Carter just didn't understand spectacle.  Or didn't want it.  I do think a CGI-fest invasion would've felt weird.  X-Files wasn't about it.  It was about small towns and back alleys and government buildings.  Something would've felt off if X-Files went Independence Day.  But I think you're right.

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You make a great point about narrative structure for a show.  X-Files was built around a story that just kept getting delayed.  They thought if they ever got to that part, the show was over.  And in their case, maybe it was.

The Flash set their whole show around crisis, and they've struggled a bit after crisis (but those struggles were happening pre-crisis).  I think the best example is Supernatural - they had a roadmap for a five season show and hit it out of the park.  They'd beaten the devil.  And they realized there was even more story after that.  The show never got as good as it was in seasons 1-5, but they kept it going.

Could X-Files have done the same?  I don't know.  It seems like Carter was never comfortable with any level of conclusion to his show.  Like Twin Peaks before it, it's destined to end open-ended.

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I tend to agree.  I think Flash has a better chance that Cyborg, and I think the only reason for that is that a Flashpoint movie does make a "soft reboot" easier.

But if I were writing it, I'd use "flashpoint" as a way to recast Ezra too.  So I'd make Flashpoint the plot of Aquaman 2.  Just create some sort of time travel mechanic in Atlantis.  He messes with it and suddenly he's in a war with the Amazons.  And now Batman is either Jeffrey Dean Morgan or Michael Keaton, and the Flash is (insert actor we all still like).

I think Jason Mamoa would be great for the comedy and action, and I think it works for Aquaman as much as it does for Flash (as long as you get the right mcguffin)