I think that's fine. Erica is probably one of the few Smallville actors who'd easily come back (since she's already been back
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1,501 2019-08-21 12:23:19
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
1,502 2019-08-21 12:21:43
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (934 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I don't see that changing if Spider-Man remains the Tom Holland incarnation but with no further references to the Avengers, but I also don't really understand HOW this character could function without the Avengers because he was created specifically to be on their team unlike Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield.
I agree that he was brought in with a desire and a "need" to be in the Avengers, but I think the end result of his arc (ending with Far From Home) was to show that he'd grown passed that. That he's become his own hero who can handle things on his own. I think he was humbled a bit by the events of Infinity War and Endgame, especially to the point where he was physically overwhelmed by Thanos' army, even with the "instant kill" mode on.
Enough has changed that, by Far From Home, he doesn't even want to respond when Nick Fury wants him. I don't think he's done being Spider-Man because he's still patrolling the neighborhood up until his trip to Europe, but he's not interested in fighting another Avengers-level threat. His confidence is back up by the end of the movie, and I think he's grown beyond a need to be in the Avengers. I kinda see him like any of the other main Avengers - ready to accept the call if they need him but happy to be his own hero in the mean time.
So on the Spider-Man side, I think the solution is easy. Peter's never going to get another call from the Avengers, and he's never going to be in a position where he thinks he needs help (like with the rest of the MCU heroes on their solo adventures). The biggest hole to fill in his life is the fact that he's good friends with Happy Hogan and funded almost entirely by Stark. I think there's a couple ways to fix this without outright saying it - I think they could simply write into the narrative something like:
NED - What do you mean you can't afford your rent? Aren't you best friends with a billionaire?
PETER - I can't call him for everything. I just want to make it on my own.
It's also possible to just swap out the money that Peter gets from being friends with Tony to money he gets from being friends with Harry or Norman Osborn. Maybe Norman fills the mentor role of Tony, and they could walk around it without saying it (which is easily enough to do - just hire the Netflix Marvel series. They were experts in dancing around continuity).
On the MCU side, I think it's even easier. No one was really "friends" with Peter except for Tony. There's absolutely no reason for Dr. Strange to need Peter's help, and I don't even know if Dr. Strange would consider asking for it. There's a huge age gap between Peter and the rest of the Avengers, and I don't think any of them would reach out to him for help. I don't think anyone dislikes Peter and they're happy to fight alongside him, but he's a kid. Tony had no problem including Peter, but even that had a limit for him. The rest wouldn't consider putting Peter in extra harm.
If they really want to stick it to Sony, they could say something like:
WAR MACHINE - We need all hands on deck.
SAM/CAP - What about the kid?
WAR MACHINE - Let him be a kid. We need the rest of the hands on deck, though.
1,503 2019-08-21 10:08:23
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Exactly - I would think, at some point, Clark wouldn't look 25 either. Since Smallville could exists in our past, it could also exist in the Arrowverse's past. And depending on how far back you want to put it, you could place Clark in that time period. Whatever age a middle aged superpowered Kryptonian is.
And, again, if you put Clark in a time far in Smallville's future, you eliminate any future need for a crossover. The Smallville universe went on, everyone lived full, happy lives, the comics exist, etc....but now they're all gone. So no need to bother Michael Rosenbaum or Kristen Kruek or Justin Hartley or bother with the tragedies surrounding the show.
Tom Welling's Clark is the only one who still exists.
1,504 2019-08-20 15:25:32
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (934 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Spider-Man allegedly out of the MCU. Sony and Disney couldn't come to a deal.
First off, it's a bummer for the fans. Tom Holland is great as Spider-Man, and I think his appearances have been amazing. Two pretty great solo films and three other appearances.
Second, I understand that it's a business. Sony wanted to keep the original deal (Disney gets 5%), and Disney wanted more. Disney did all the work and wanted more of the profit. Sony wanted to maintain the money role in their biggest property and didn't want to hand over about half their lunch money to the biggest kid on the block. I understand.
Third, narratively, it's kinda in a clean place to make a break. Far From Home essentially ends the Tony/Peter storyline that had been built since Peter first showed up in Civil War. He's too young to be "friends" with any of the other Avengers, and without Tony, there's not as much of a reason for him to tag along. The villain most connected to Stark is Mysterio and he's dead. Even if he's not, his main problem is with Peter now, not Tony. You could bring back Vulture without any connections to Stark or the Chitauri.
Of course, assuming Holland's contract isn't somehow connected to Marvel Studios (I don't think it is), it simply means that they'll move Holland over to the Venom universe. They'll probably keep the "Peter is enemy #1" storyline from his movies and intersect him with the Carnage storyline from Venom. They'll have a team-up movie and then do solo movies at Sony, I imagine.
It sucks, but I think it's probably the best for both studios.
1,505 2019-08-20 08:28:03
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Yeah, I don't want to make Tom work out if he doesn't want to. I don't want him to suffer for the Arrowverse.
What's great about this situation is that I think you can make it work however you want. If Welling is the only one returning from the Smallville universe, you can say that Clark has been Superman for 200 years. He's gotten over losing Lois and Jimmy and Perry and everyone because he understands that it's his burden to carry. That he might look like he's in his 40s, but his Kryptonian genes keep him looking middle aged...but his metabolism is finally starting to slow down. Despite that, he's still as fast and strong as he's ever been.
Or you can have Welling's Superman tell Hoechlin's Superman to watch out for the cheeseburgers.
It doesn't really matter to me. If Superman can live for hundreds of years, maybe his early 20s-30s are simply the tween years for humans where everyone is skinny. And that now that he's (whatever age you want him to be), he just doesn't look like a Greek God anymore. Which is fine.
People saw Christopher Reeve in a wheelchair, and they still saw him as Superman. Tom can bald and gain weight all he want, and I'll still see him as Clark Kent.
1,506 2019-08-19 08:42:16
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I don't know what their plan is for Kingdom Come Superman, but if they had him be an older Superman, they could probably have him be an older Superman who's appropriately aged and "widened"
Maybe as he ages, his Kryptonian metabolism slows down. Maybe Clark's more of a cerebral hero and less of a "fly/run off to save everyone" kind of person. You could even have him gain weight as the result of some sort of mental manipulation. They had a heavy Thor in "Endgame" and a fatter/clumsier older Spider-Man in "Into the Spiderverse" Maybe they could find a way to make that work.
If I were writing it, I'd make it work for Welling like Welling made it work for Rosenbaum in the series finale. If Tom doesn't want to work out or look 25, that's fine. We'll write around it. Even if that means making his role a cameo or filming him in darkness or whatever. But if they're going to do Crisis on Infinite Earths, I think Welling needs to be involved. And while it'd be great to have him involved as (insert character), I think he needs to be Clark Kent.
1,507 2019-08-19 08:35:37
Re: DC Superheroes in Film (1943 - 2024) (1,098 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I thought Aquaman was a lot of fun. I don't want to compare it to the Snyder films, but it's hard not to. While I feel like Snyder wanted to punch us in the gut with the idea that "this is what superheroes would be like in the REAL WORLD", I don't think James Wan felt the need to do this. I was listening to a commentary on the movie, and they started laughing at how INSANE some of the stuff in this movie is. It feels very DC Comics, but it doesn't feel like the Snyder universe at all.
I think Momoa is great, and I think the sandbox they play in is fun. I think the villains make sense, and I think Arthur grows in realistic ways. The movie drags on a bit, but I think watching it over an afternoon or two is worth your time.
1,508 2019-08-19 08:32:22
Re: Gotham: Rise of the Villains (Spoilers) (90 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Did Wayne Manor ever expand its set beyond the living room? The living room reminded me of Lex's office in SMALLVILLE; he ate there, worked out there, had his medical examinations there, held every meeting there, sat around with Clark there -- I honestly think he may have even slept there and that his bedroom was a corner of the Luthor mansion's office set with a bed shoved against the wall.
My memory of this is a struggle, but I don't remember a single scene set in Wayne Manor that isn't in that same room. I think sometimes they'd film in the other direction so *everything* wouldn't be in front of the fireplace, but that might've been their best shot at that. I also remember a Court of Owls boardroom (?) set and a Cobblepot mansion, and they might've just redressed the Wayne set.
What was up with recasting Poison Ivy? What was up with recasting her AGAIN? Did that make sense to you? And was there ever any rationale for why Pamela Isley was given the name "Ivy Pepper" in the first season?
I think the Ivy character is the most bizarre one of the series, and it had the oddest sense of course-correction when the rest of the show just went crazy in a more natural way. I haven't read any behind the scenes things, but my guess is that someone on the show (or, more likely, someone at FOX) wanted a "sexy" character and that required Ivy to be aged up. Maybe they didn't go far enough the first time and decided to course-correct?
The craziest thing is that I remember the pre-pilot advertising making a big deal about Ivy. She's in the Pilot in a major capacity. But for much of the first season, Ivy is nowhere to be seen. Even when she's aged up, she's never a regular. Even when they finally got a sexy, adult Ivy, they never really used her outside of an episode here or there.
Why they used the name Ivy? My thought is that the plan was probably to do a slower burn with her character, and since they probably planned on multiple seasons before she actually turned into Poison Ivy, they wanted "non-comics" fans to know who she was going to become. Everyone knows Bruce and Gordon. Edward always told riddles at the beginning so it was obvious who he was. Oswald is called Penguin from the beginning. My guess is it was a shorthand since there wasn't much of a way to tell the audience who she'd be.
What was up with recasting Selina Kyle for the series finale? Did that make sense to you?
It was weird because she was the only one recast. Every other character was played by the same actor. The time-jump wasn't huge, and there's ways to make a 19-year-old actress look 24. I thought the new actress was fine, but it was a bit silly to me to take away the role from Camren Bicondova. Especially since she had gained quite the fanbase.
Did Batman as played by David Mamouz work for you in the finale?
The way they used him was kinda bizarre too. He's filmed mostly in shadow, and the only good look you get at him is sorta awkward CGI. I thought there'd be more of him, but he's essentially used as a cameo. It was cool to see him in costume, but it's very Smallville in the way they finally use him.
Did you feel compelled to watch PENNYWORTH and is that anything to do with GOTHAM?
I haven't considered it, really. I thought Sean Pertwee was great as Alfred, and I think I'd watch a show where he was the lead. Like with Krypton, I don't think watching a show about a superhero's father or grandfather to be all that interesting. Building up to a few easter eggs doesn't really excite me.
If they did a Gotham spin-off with the Gotham actors (and bring back Camren Bicondova), I'd watch that for sure.
Were there any spin-off media tie in materials that you didn't consider canon?
Probably. I was thinking maybe I'd read Gotham comics, but I probably would've said the same thing about the Smallville season 11 comics and I didn't read those. Are they available on TPB?
Were their any mythology-legacy oriented cameos that you liked or didn't like (in the way Teri Hatcher, Dean Cain, Sam Witwer and Helen Slater were on SUPERGIRL)?
I don't think I remember a single mythology-legacy cameo. I don't think they had a single "prominent" actor show up in any sort of cameo. The show made its own legacy, which is something I respected about it. It was balls-to-the-walls crazy most weeks, but it owned it. I don't think it ever betrayed itself, even when it decided to fully embrace fully wacky concepts. Despite struggling with ratings, it never went for stunt casting. I respect that now that I think about it.
Was there ever any difficulty handling the sexuality of the Poison Ivy and Catwoman characters given the extremely young age of the actors playing these extremely sexualized-in-comics roles?
I talked about this a bit with Ivy. I think they wanted someone to be a bit of a sexpot, and that's why they aged Ivy. Both times they did it, they made little jokes about how Ivy was now older than Bruce and Selina. Ivy relished going to nightclubs and being an adult, and she definitely starts to manipulate men with her sexuality almost immediately.
But I guess the "sexy" characters were also filled with Gordon's various love interests. Barbara Keane and Dr. Lee Thompkins went through various "sexy" stages, and there were characters like Sofia Falcone that also filled that role.
Catwoman had a thing with Bruce, and she'd occasionally hang out in Barbara's nightclub. And as she got older, she'd wear sexier outfits and dresses to the various Gotham fancy parties. But I feel like they generally let her be a kid and even an older teenager without exploiting her as a sex symbol of any kind.
Were you happy with the origin of the Joker? What did you like? What didn't you like?
I don't like that they kept teasing it. If they were going to do it, they needed to do it. They kept saying that he wasn't the Joker, but Jerome Valeska kept being more and more the Joker. To be fair to them, it was his twin brother Jeremiah that ended up *actually* becoming the Joker.
I thought Cameron Monaghan was wonderful in the role, and I think he did the best he could. I think my biggest issue was that I thought the Joker should've been off-limits. I didn't want a teenage Joker fighting a teenage Batman. I wanted Batman and Joker to rise from the insanity of Gotham...not be born at the same time as everything else.
There was actually a really great scene where Jerome Valeska died for the first time, and he'd done this big wild display on Gotham-wide television. And when he died, they showed a variety of random Gothamites acting like Jerome. And I think the idea was that Jerome had sewn a seed into the soul of Gotham that would eventually lead to the Joker. That the Joker was out there somewhere and we'd never know where he was. I thought that was a great idea, and it made the whole Jerome story (at that time) feel like a great idea.
But like Sylar before him, Jerome and then Jeremiah kept coming back. They'd die and be resurrected. Or die and it's a fake out. I kinda got tired of that.
They embraced him in the finale, and I thought it was pretty good.
Was there ever the SMALLVILLE sense of the characters experiencing every major event of the SUPERMAN/BATMAN mythos before they ever even became their costumed selves?
100%. They did a bunch of Batman storylines (the Court of Owls, No Man's Land, etc) and I think Bruce came in contact with just about every Batman villain that's ever been. By season 3, it's essentially a Batman show without Batman. By the end, it was a Batman show with Batman but he's just not in the suit. By the finale, it was a Batman show with Batman in the suit but he's in the shadows.
I think the difference between Smallville and Gotham is that Gotham crammed Smallville's first 7 seasons into the first season and then played around with Smallville seasons 8-10 the rest of the series. In other words, they realized they were a comic book show way earlier than Smallvilled did and fully embraced that for most of the run.
Were you happy with the show?
There were times when the show meandered, and I struggled at times with how fast or slow the show was moving. But at the end of the day, Gotham was a lot of fun. It was inconsistent, and I think I always wanted more from it than I was ever going to realistically get from a show with the budget it received....but I thought it was a fun little look into a world before Batman.
1,509 2019-08-16 12:52:35
Re: DC Superheroes in Film (1943 - 2024) (1,098 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I saw Aquaman. I'll have more comments later, but one note quick:
I don't understand how the DCEU is structured, and it bothers me. I understand that each movie sorta has its own free reign to do what it needs to do, but Aquaman doesn't even feel like the same universe as Justice League.
I wondered, going in, what the connection would be. And the answer is....there's one line. They mention Steppenwolf and the idea that Aquaman is a known superhero. So the movie happened and they're not simply ignoring it.
Except they sorta are. There's only a couple of scenes from Justice League that relate to Aquaman, and both of them have wildly contradictory parts. The air bubble thing is fine, I guess. It doesn't make any sense for them to have to create air bubbles to talk, but they would've also known that for the scene in Justice League. What bothers me more is....I don't even know how Arthur knew where to go. No one seems bothered by him inside that room where they protect the box (even though he's hated by the masses and arrested for simply going into Atlantis), and there didn't seem to be any indication of why he went there.
The relationship between Mera and Arthur seems confusing when you look at both movies, but I think it's fine. What's stranger is that Arthur seems angry at his mother in Justice League. Maybe he's putting on some sort of act in front of the Atlantean ("I hated my mom because she was Atlantean" or something), but there's no indication of that in Aquaman. He loves his mother and is mad at the ones responsible for killing her.
Being separate entities is fine. Giving directors free reign to build characters is fine. But that's how it is on the Arrowverse, but the crossover still has mostly-consistent characterization and continuity.
As someone who, believe it or not, really wants the DCEU to survive...I just find it weird that it feels so different. I know they want to get away from the Snyder aesthetic, but I think contrasting a gloomy, dark surface world with a colorful, hopeful Atlantis might've done well. I don't think they needed a Justice League cameo because Arthur's a bit of a loner who's completely separated from the rest of the heroes.
But maybe it's Bruce who gets Arthur the plane? Or maybe make the tie-ins in Justice League better/more consistent to what Wan is doing? Because if you told me that Zach Snyder didn't talk to James Wan, I'd believe you.
1,510 2019-08-13 08:57:51
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
A better format might be a quarterly magazine or graphic novel released digitally and in a prestige print format that is the equivalent of the trade paperback collections.
I very-much agree with this. Essentially the *only* comic books I buy are TBPs. There was a brief period about 5-10 years ago where I subscribed to Batman comics, but I didn't love it as much as I thought I would.
TBPs show a full story so I know I have (most) of the full story. I can read it at my leisure and it's usually easier to put up on a bookshelf than a dozen floppy 20-page issues.
1,511 2019-08-12 10:01:01
Re: Marc Scott Zicree Commentaries coming (15 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
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1,512 2019-08-08 08:24:31
Re: Marc Scott Zicree Commentaries coming (15 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
The Marc Scott Zicree stuff is fascinating to read. One because I wasn't sure who you were talking about (outside of knowing the name) and second because I knew *exactly* who you were talking about because I've been watching his commentary on Discovery and the Orville on YouTube a lot, recently. I'll be fascinated to listen to his commentaries.
He seems like a really nice, genuine person who really enjoys science fiction and writing good stories when he's on YouTube. It could be partially an act (he uses essentially every video as a way to sell his show Space Command - literally), but I couldn't say for sure.
1,513 2019-08-08 07:58:31
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (934 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Agreed on Izel. The issue I have is with (spoilers). But it would've also been an issue for season 5. When the Earth was destroyed, did all the Avengers die? What happened with Thor and Captain Marvel and Hulk (who were all off world) in the decades that happened?
When SHIELD was fighting covert battles, I think they could easily explore their little section of the universe without tying in with the movies. When they expand into situations where the Earth is in danger from something that the Avengers would have a) obvious visibility to and b) the ability to respond to, it makes it more complicated.
The Avengers wouldn't show up to fight Grant Ward or Izel. But if the Earth is destroyed or invaded, the lack of superheroes becomes a problem. That's all I'm saying.
1,514 2019-08-07 15:29:52
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (934 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
(Still spoilers)
Yeah, I enjoyed Season 6, and I think the writers did just about as well as they could considering the abuse they took from the movie department. If the people who made Endgame can be trusted to know the secrets, then the people who made Agents of Shield should've been allowed to as well.
They made fun little references to Thanos in season 5 and whatever chaos they could imagine happening in New York, and I think it was fine. With *literally nothing* to work off from Endgame, I think they did as much as they could with what they had to work with (nothing). They wrote a fun story that was isolated to parts of space that haven't been dealt with and mostly isolated parts of Earth. You're right - the people they interact with either wouldn't be in a position to constantly talk about the Snap/Blip or they're in enough danger that it isn't the focus.
The one mistake they made is to have another apocalypse-level event at the end of their season. The season 6 finale primarily takes place in the Lighthouse and in some random jungle (I'm sure they said where - let's say South America). Even if the Avengers knew about it, they wouldn't be able to get there in time. So I think it was contained.
But with spaceships and colonization and invasion, it doesn't really fit. It's nice for the team to have stakes and the Chronicom invasion certainly provides stakes. But when they specifically say that they want to wipe out SHIELD as their primary enemy even though it seems to be common knowledge that Thanos is going to Earth. So either he already decimated the planet or someone defeated him. Plus, they know what Fitz and Gemma know (that there is a group of super-powered beings that protect the Earth).
I think the only mistake they made was not keeping the threats covert. There's no reason for the Avengers to be involved in HIVE or HYDRA. There's no reason for them to know about the Shrike or Izel. These are SHIELD-level problems that can be written off as SHIELD's problem.
When the Earth is literally in danger, it's harder to write off the Avengers stuff. For the most part, they did as great as they could. It was only at the end that I started worrying about it.
1,515 2019-08-07 08:28:48
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (934 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I finished Agents of Shield season 6.
Some spoilers (stop reading if you don't want to be spoiled), but I wonder if the show would've been better if they'd somehow transitioned the cast to a parallel universe. I understand the behind-the-scenes issues forcing them to be completely in the dark about both the Snap/Blip and the resulting 5-year time jump, but it's oddly distracting to have such little connection between the show and the movies.
The Snap/Blip was a universal event. It's not something that would simply never be discussed, even if every character happened to escape it. Even if they didn't, the galactic portions of the show would certainly be talking about it. At least, on Earth, there were witnesses to what really happened. In other parts of the galaxy, even ones that knew of Thanos, people would've just disappeared (and possibly reappeared) with no explanation.
Then there's the other side. Whether it be the destruction of the Earth from Season 5 or the invasion of Earth from the end of season 6. When the Lighthouse is attacked, the Chronicoms talk about getting rid of SHIELD as their primary foes. No mention of any of the Avengers. No mention of trying to take over the planet that either just experienced or just fought off an invasion of Thanos.
I know, for all intents and purposes, they already don't take place in the same universe. But it's odd that we've had tons of connections throughout the life of the show, but now we're just supposed to pretend that none of that happened?
With all the technobabble on the show, I think they should've at least tried to give an explanation. Gemma tried to get Fitz back and did a thing and now they're in a pocket dimension. Or they moved across the multiverse. Or something.
The events of Infinity War and Endgame were too big for SHIELD to ignore. The happenings that happen on SHIELD are too big for the Avengers to ignore. So I would've tried to put them on an Earth where there are no Avengers. Or maybe they all left or all died. SHIELD is all that's left. It wouldn't even need to be a big scene.
MACK - "....what just happened?"
SIMMONS - "The Beta Device brought back Fitz. But it also seems to have separated us from our known reality."
MACK - "English, please."
SIMMONS - "We are on Earth, but I don't think it's our Earth."
**************
PIPER - "We've scoured this Earth's internet, and you're never going to believe this."
MACK - "I already don't."
PIPER - "There's nothing about Tony Stark. No Iron Man. No Chitauri invasion. No history of Steve Rogers or the supersoldier program. Thor is simply a legend on this Earth. As far as I can tell, there's no metahuman activity or any reference to any Avengers. This world doesn't even know aliens exist."
MACK - "What about SHIELD?"
PIPER - "Nothing."
*************
MACK - "I know the last few days have been tough. But even though FitzSimmons fixed the Beta device, we've decided to stay behind on this Earth. We all saw what's been happening with those aliens and that mysterious guy that looks like Coulson. I think we owe it to this place to help them stop it. Our Earth has the Avengers. This one doesn't. It needs us. It needs SHIELD."
1,516 2019-08-06 15:27:27
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (934 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I did have this joke I was going to make where you, Slider_Quinn21, were grousing about David Mamouz being too short to play Batman and I was going to ask why Batman brings out the worst in you: first your hatred for old people by raging about how Ben Affleck is too old to play the character, now your hatred for short people over Mamouz. But then your wife had that miscarriage and I felt I needed to take it easy on you and also, to say you have ever raged about anything is quite an overstatement.
Ha, don't let anything ever stop you from calling me out on anything
It's what makes this fun.
I like Batman a lot. I think he was the gateway drug to my love of superheroes, and I just think that there's something poetic about a guy in a bat costume trying to keep up with a group of literal gods. Batman's best superpower is unlimited wealth, and while it's sometimes significantly overblown, his true superpower is just his incredible brain. I think there's something sorta beautiful about a guy who had some tragedy and decided to do everything in his power to stop it.
I also think there's room for different versions of the character. I think it's sorta great that David Mamouz played Batman because I don't think there's necessarily any reason for Bruce to be 6'3 and ripped. There's something kinda cool to the idea that he's sorta short and average build and could still kick ass. I think my main gripe is that sticking with Mamouz sorta ruined my longstanding prediction (from season one) that they'd replace him with another actor when it was time for him to be Batman. I was sorta right, but I'm glad they didn't do it.
As far as Affleck, I think he did as good a job as anyone could've. My main problem with Batfleck were 1) (pre-BvS) that I wanted Superman to face a Batman in his prime and didn't want to hamstring Batman even more when he's already significantly outmatched and 2) (post BvS) didn't think that the movie gave enough explanation for why Batman was acting the way he was acting. He can be an older version and work and he can be a grittier/darker version and work, but I felt like they needed to explain why he was acting the way he was acting.
1,517 2019-08-06 15:17:05
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I love Brandon Routh, but I don't know if I can wrap my head around him playing Superman when we have Tyler Hoechlin doing a great job.
Now I can't remember....was the John Wesley Shipp version of Flash that appeared in Elseworlds ever referred to as Barry Allen? If so, it sorta opens up the doors for "fraternal doubles" - which would open up the door for a Justin Hartley Oliver Queen or a Tom Welling Superman.
I also neglected to bring up the idea of a Alan Ritchson Aquaman showing up in Crisis. Or my personal favorite, Kyle Gallner as Bart/Impulse.
1,518 2019-08-06 08:07:53
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Well, the Kingdom Come Superman was used as a kind of stand-in for the original golden age Earth 2 Superman in the JSA comics; and the older Superman played a significant role in Crisis. Routh, through his connection to the Christopher Reeve continuity, is probably the closest they can get to a golden age Superman at the moment. Even Dean Cain beats out Welling as an older Superman.
Yeah, I get that. My point is that the Arrowverse seems to imply that the TV shows are connected but that the movies aren't. So having someone from Gotham show up might make sense - having someone from the Dark Knight universe might not. And when you're talking about Superman on TV, yes Dean Cain would have him beat, but I think for the Arrowverse, Tom Welling makes so much sense.
Routh might make more sense in the end because you're going back to the beginning of the modern superhero genre (through Reeve). But this just feels like something they wrote for Welling and he turned down.
EDIT:
Then there's this:
https://www.superherohype.com/comics/46 … -character
It's odd because I'm not sure exactly where they can go with this. If you're talking about a cameo for the fans, I suppose anything would work, but what makes the most sense? Obviously Welling would be the big one, finally getting him in costume. The next would be Michael Rosenbaum's Lex, but as the article states, he's already debunked that (but has been known to have tricky negotiations). Then what? Would Kristen Kruek's Lana make sense? Erica Durance's Lois? Alison Mack is, for sure, out. Justin Hartley *kinda* made a cameo, but he'd probably be one of the harder ones to get. Aaron Ashmore's Jimmy?
Then it starts to get more obscure? Michael McKean as Perry White? Annette O'Toole as Martha? Big characters but maybe not relevant unless you're telling a "everyone in the Smallville universe is dead."
I'm assuming they're pushing for Welling or Rosenbaum. Hartley would be cool but would almost certainly be a one-day shoot. It'd be cool to see anyone from Smallville, but I wonder if the majority of that cast has simply moved on.
1,519 2019-08-05 09:22:01
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
There's a lot of movement on the Crisis front, but nothing on Tom Welling. The most exciting one for me is the news that Kevin Conroy is going to appear as an older version of Bruce Wayne. I don't know if he has the physicality to portray Bruce, even as someone who was Bruce a long time ago, but I love Kevin Conroy and love this idea. Maybe they'll put him in a muscle suit or maybe it'll be an audio-only cameo. Either way, linking up BTAS with the Arrowverse is just the coolest idea.
The one that has me a bit puzzled is Brandon Routh playing Superman. The rumor is that he's going to be playing the Kingdom Come Superman, either as that actual version or just in the suit. It's a cool idea and maybe the biggest idea that they're incorporating into the Arrowverse (because if it's even implied that he's reprising his role from Superman Returns, that would link the Arrowverse to the Christopher Reeve Superman which would easily be the biggest connection).
The reason for my puzzlement is that, with no announcement on Tom Welling, I feel like that part was written for Tom and he turned it down. It feels like something that they'd do (an older Superman played by the godfather of the Arrowverse) and that Brandon was an equally-interesting and definitely-easier (but obviously second) choice.
If they do Crisis on Infinite Earths and don't make any allusion to the Smallville universe, I think you can essentially write off there ever being a direct connection.
(And to comment on your post, ireactions, if there's ever going to be a Dick Grayson on the CW, it needs to be Jared Padalecki or bust)
1,520 2019-08-05 09:09:14
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (934 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Am I a bad person for wanting Natasha/Black Widow to stay dead after her solo movie? I just would like her sacrifice in Endgame to mean something, and I like the idea that, for the most part, deaths in the MCU have stuck. And I think they're probably going to try and resurrect the Vision in WandaVision (with potentially effects rolling into Dr. Strange 2 and beyond) so it'd be weird if they kept undoing the Phase 3 deaths.
(Because you know Tony's coming back in one form or another).
1,521 2019-07-31 13:17:19
Re: Star Trek in Film and TV (and The Orville, too!) (746 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I am interested in how both Voyager and Enterprise seemed to go out of their way to not take advantage of their distinguishing characteristics. Voyager too-rarely focused on the fact that the ship was trying to get home - the fact that they're stranded in the Delta Quadrant comes up in dialogue but there's never really a sense that it's any more of a problem than the Enterprise was ever in on their weekly missions. Enterprise, despite being set on a series a couple hundred years before Voyager, did a lot of the same things from the episodes I saw.
As many people have said many times before, committing to Voyager being stranded could've made Voyager a really unique and fascinating show. All of the characteristics were there to be great - especially the idea at the beginning that Voyager was a technologically superior ship in the Delta Quadrant. No one else had torpedoes or replicators. So could Voyager withstand a long journey where they're the most powerful ship in the quadrant but unable to make major repairs or really replenish their weaponry? It'd make great drama for Janeway to know that she could win any battle with a torpedo or two but knowing that she might need them more later. Or to be in a situation where they probably need to stop and make repairs but knowing that they can't afford to stop.
1,522 2019-07-25 08:02:34
Re: Star Trek in Film and TV (and The Orville, too!) (746 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
ILL give Voyager credit in that it being self contained does help it repeat better than ds9
This is very true. There's a channel that plays all five Trek series on certain nights (every night?) that I flip passed sometimes. And I'll be honest, I'm more likely to stop when it's a Voyager or TNG episode than a DS9 one. While the quality of the DS9 episode is almost certainly going to be higher, their storylines are much more complex. And if I'm literally watching a random episode, I have to remember a handful of things to really enjoy what's going on? Who's controlling the station? Is this where Dukat is pretending to be Bajoran? What's happening with the Dominion?
With Voyager or TNG, it's just watching an hour of sci-fi fun. And if I'm literally just looking for something to watch, I don't want to have to bring up Memory Alpha to remember exactly what's going on on DS9 ![]()
1,523 2019-07-24 13:18:22
Re: Star Trek in Film and TV (and The Orville, too!) (746 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Voyager is the stepchild of the Trek franchise, and I've never really understood why. I think the main reason is that it came on the heels (and during) Deep Space Nine. While I'll defend Voyager, I don't think Voyager is in the same class as DS9. But DS9 was doing things that very few TV shows at the time were willing to do. It set the gold standard for Sci-Fi for a long time (probably even now), and it accomplished things that no Trek show did before or since.
I don't think it's fair to compare Voyager and DS9. I also don't really think it's fair to compare DS9 to TNG, Enterprise, or TOS. Fans saw what Trek could be in DS9, and when Voyager (and Enterprise) went back to the "story of the week" well with no sense of long-term story or continuity, people didn't like it. But I think Voyager is of a similar-enough quality as TNG or TOS. I think all three series have high points surrounded by a sea of episodes that are just okay.
The big difference between TNG and Voyager is that the highs are much higher when it comes to TNG. Maybe the lows aren't quite as low as Voyager. Voyager never had a moment like the end of part one of "Best of Both Worlds." TNG never had an episode quite as bad as something like "Threshold"
I think characters also come into it. If you were to rank the characters, you'd get through most of TNG's core cast before you ever got to someone like Harry Kim or Chakotay. Wesley Crusher might be the only character as poorly written as Voyager's worst, and even he has a complete arc for the series. Riker is more compelling than anything Chakotay ever did. LaForge is more interesting than Torres. Geordi and Data are more fun than Tom and Harry.
I think the Doctor is more fun than Dr. Crusher, but Data is more interesting than the Doctor ever was. Even having a trueblood Vulcan on the show wasn't all that interesting.
It sucks because I think the characters had potential. There was no reason to make any of the characters on Voyager Maquis because the show never seemed to have any intention of playing that part out. If they'd stuck with that, Chakotay could've been an interesting character. Paris could've been interesting if they'd made him Nick Locarno or played up his criminal background. Torres as a half-human, half-Klingon has a ton of interesting things they could work with. Even Harry Kim as an ensign on his first-ever crew assignment had potential.
There were ideas there. And every once in a while, they'd play up those ideas. And I think Voyager came up with a handful of really great episodes. Timeless, Year of Hell, Living Witness, and Scorpion can hold their own.
When it was bad, it was bad. But I think the same happened with TNG. The only difference is that, when an episode of TNG was bad, at least you got Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner. When Voyager was bad, you just got Garrett Wang.
1,524 2019-07-23 07:55:14
Re: Star Trek in Film and TV (and The Orville, too!) (746 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Seven was a terrible character, poorly written, but Jeri was dating a producer so you know how that goes. I have to say, the one line in the trailer she had was actually GOOD. I would love a non-Borgish Seven, who you would assume after 20 years almost would have figured out how to act more human.
Ugh, here I go again.
I don't think Seven was a terrible character or poorly written. I also think that Jeri, while she might've been hired for, ahem, other reasons, is a very solid actress. I've seen her in a number of things and don't think this is a Danielle Panabaker situation.
The problem with Seven wasn't so much that she was poorly written. It was that the show, itself, wasn't very well written, and essentially every season that she was on was *very* Seven-heavy.
I think she's actually a pretty great character, following the great Trek tradition of trying to understand what it is to be human. That archetype (previously used with Data and Spock) was probably supposed to be used on the Doctor (another character I really like), but obviously, they decided to go another way with that. Seven is an interesting character because instead of searching for her humanity, she often runs from it. I think she feels that her Borg side protects her, and she's afraid of her frail, human side.
If Seven was poorly written, it was because she ended up being the main character on a show that's supposed to be an ensemble. She was Michael Burnham before Michael Burnham, and she was overexposed by writers that, for the most part, didn't know what they were doing. But I think she's one of the best ideas for a character in Trek history. And even considering the Voyager writing staff, I think she's one of the most interesting characters in Trek.
1,525 2019-07-23 07:45:34
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Oh no, BATWOMAN IS A DISASTER???
1,526 2019-07-22 13:32:43
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,553 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
The Erica Thomas Stuff:
PREFACE - I think the "send her back" stuff is abhorrent, and I don't think any human should ever tell any other human to go back where they came from. It's important to make all immigrants, especially minorities, feel welcome and American.
(I shouldn't have to have this preface but I felt it necessary).
If he told her to go back to where she came from or her original country, then roast him. We don't have room in our society for that, and if you want to say that in public, you get whatever blowback comes at you. My problem is with two aspects of the story:
1. She's walked back enough of her statement that it might be possible that it wasn't racial at all. It may just be an asshole who wanted to make a scene at a grocery store. I'm almost more mad at him for yelling at her because she's pregnant than yelling at her because she's black. If he didn't say "go back to your country" or "go back to where you came from" then I don't think that's okay either. You can't yell fire in a crowded room for a reason.
2. Finding the truth these days is exceptionally hard. When you have to throw out 90% of all publications because they're clearly biased one way or another (#IStandWithErica or #HateHoax), it's hard to find your center. There are so many different versions of the story out there. Does he not identify as being white? Does that matter? Is he actually an Anti-Trumper and a hardcore Democrat? Does that matter? Would he use Trumpy language if he hates Trump? Does that matter?
There are real, vile, horrible racist things being done and said. We don't need to make anything up or even give the impression that stuff is being made up. It's way too volatile.
1,527 2019-07-22 13:04:23
Re: Star Trek in Film and TV (and The Orville, too!) (746 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I don't remember VOYAGER. Was Seven acting human and being casual and pleasant by the end?
I found that alarming as well. She definitely wasn't that casual. But depending on when Picard is set, it's plausible that she's had a chance to let loose. She ends up dating Chakotay by the end so she's definitely embracing a life outside of her role on the ship, but my guess is that once she gets off Voyager and outside of a duty-based environment, she'd loosen up a bit. Being on Voyager probably felt a bit like being on a Borg cube at times so it would've been hard to fully embrace her humanity (like learning a language in a classroom). Being on Earth (or wherever she ends up) would be more like learning a language while living in a country that speaks that language. Her gains would be bigger.
That being said, again, I found it to be alarming. She definitely hadn't spoken like that on Voyager.
1,528 2019-07-22 10:17:31
Re: Random Thoughts about TV, Film and Media (698 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I did have some thoughts about the Azure Gate Bridge when I saw the Golden Gate Bridge. I thought briefly of apes and terminators and Magneto when we went over the bridge itself. I did visit the Presidio but don't remember it from As Time Goes By.
I also thought about the Pilot, amongst other things, when I was in Golden Gate Park.
1,529 2019-07-22 10:15:22
Re: Star Trek in Film and TV (and The Orville, too!) (746 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Man, the Picard trailer awoke something in me too. And the inclusion of Seven of Nine was a total shock to me. I feel like, moreso than Discovery, the Picard people are going to have fun playing in the post-Nemesis sandbox.
I was also shocked to see Brent Spiner, who wanted so desperately to get away from Data in the end. Although my video buffered a bit at that part so maybe it was a CGI re-creation of Brent Spiner. He looked otherworldly.
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I also agree that Orville to Hulu makes sense. I'm hoping they can do some fun stuff now that they're streaming-only, and I hope the budget doesn't suffer because of it.
1,530 2019-07-22 10:11:58
Re: Titans (and other DC Universe Shows) (18 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I've watched the first six episodes of Titans, and I really liked it. I was impressed at how real the world felt, even with aliens and demons and everything. I feel like this show could take place in the Snyderverse - it has the violence and "maturity" that I feel like Snyder was going for...but with the depth and layers that were needed to explain why Batman was acting so differently than we were accustomed.
I know a bit how this season ends, but I feel like they're doing a good job of weaving Dick's story in. Sending Jason Todd to keep Dick up to date on Batman's activities was good - I feel like they could've done the same for Alfred on the episode where he was referenced.
I do feel like Dick should have more friends in the superhero world. I know Wonder Girl shows up at some point, but I feel like they're making Dick an outsider more than he probably would be realistically.
1,531 2019-07-21 09:26:53
Re: Random Thoughts about TV, Film and Media (698 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I went to San Francisco last week. I feel like a bad fan because it wasn't until the last day that I realized:
1. I was in the birthplace of sliding
2. I could've gone to some filming locations
I know they only shot a couple scenes for the Pilot in San Fran, but do we know where I could've gone?
1,532 2019-07-11 08:59:23
Re: Do we miss Informant? (74 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Well, mermaids have roots in a lot of places. Mesopotamia, Europe, Africa, Asia. I don't know which ones predates the others, but the idea of "half human, half fish and lives underwater" is about as original as "flood that covered the earth" or "son of god" - which exists in just about every civilization ever.
The weird part of the Little Mermaid part is that it's based on a Dutch story (so you'd think lighter skin) but the story takes place in the Caribbean (so you'd think darker skin)
Of course, mermaids aren't real so it doesn't matter. They don't have exposure to the Sun so the biological reason for skin color in humans is irrelevant.
1,533 2019-07-10 08:03:12
Re: Do we miss Informant? (74 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
The most common race swapping seems like Asian to white, with Latino to white and black to white close behind
Yeah, I can't argue with that. And I'd like to stress again that I don't care either way. I'm just speaking for Informant and pointing out that it's weird that there seems to be a trend of only race-swapping redheaded white characters.
I don't think redheaded people are being discriminated against in any way. it's just weird that several companies were like "we hav to make someone black. Is there a redhead we can switch?"
1,534 2019-07-10 07:58:28
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (934 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I really do miss when Agents of Shield would show the aftermath of the MCU movies. I know it was an abusive relationship, but that part about it I really liked.
1,535 2019-07-09 12:04:22
Re: Do we miss Informant? (74 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Yeah, I think it's fine. It's just weird to look at what's become a definite trend. From Wally West (and by association, Iris) to Jimmy Olsen to Mary Jane Watson to Hawkgirl to Annie (Lil Orphan Annie) to Ariel, it seems like redheaded characters get race-swapped more than anyone else. It isn't intentional, but it's happened enough times that it's a crazy coincidence.
1,536 2019-07-08 08:59:44
Re: Do we miss Informant? (74 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I'll play Informant for a brief second and show outrage for yet another redhead being race-swapped to a black person.
I honestly don't care who plays Ariel because I'll never see that movie, but it is strange that this seems to be a legitimate trend that I know bothered Informant. Why is it always redhead to black seemingly?
1,537 2019-07-08 08:54:16
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (934 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I enjoyed Far From Home quite a bit. And I found myself legitimately surprised by a couple things at the end. Engage SpoilerVision:
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The end credits scenes were both a complete shock to me. The JK Simmons cameo was great (it's the most 4th-wall breaking the MCU has ever done since we all love him in that role so much - it almost feels like it's not real), and I have no idea how they're going to handle Peter's cover being blown. My guess is that they'll be able to play it off somewhat with Jameson being an Alex Jones - like kook, but I don't know if it'll last for long.
The Skrull stuff....man, I thought for a second that they were doing something really big there. But the internet is doing a great job of analyzing this, and I'm going to steal a bunch of stuff I saw online. How long has Fury been gone? Since the 90s? Has the Nick Fury we've known since the first Iron Man been a Skrull? I felt like the Fury on the ship seemed a little more carefree. I'm fascinated to know about that. And then came the question of....is Maria Hill even real? Or is she a character created by Talos/Fury/Soren to have as a sidekick? She's not shown on the ship so that'd be really interesting.
The movie itself was fun. I didn't think it had the heart of Homecoming, but I think it's probably just about as good. I thought it did a great job of playing in the whole sandbox (bringing back throwaway lines/characters from previous movies was genius), and I think Holland is so great as Peter. I think they sold the Mysterio stuff a little hard since most people knew he'd be the villain, but I think it had to work that way so that Peter would fall for it. But I think it led to a pretty awkward story structure.
All in all, I liked it. And now I have no idea what Phase Four will be. But I'm very excited to find out.
1,538 2019-06-27 15:18:44
Re: X-Men/Legion/The Gifted/Deadpool (45 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Legion is a really fun show to watch, even when I don't know what's going on or remember any of the characters' names ![]()
1,539 2019-06-27 10:07:59
Re: Do we miss Informant? (74 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
That's interesting. I feel like I'm somewhere in the middle. I think, on shows like the X-Files, they need to have some sort of "rules" - on Supernatural, I believe they have some semblance of rules - essentially that there are no rules. Heaven and Hell exist. Other gods exist. Fairy tales exist. Magic exists. All the fables and stories are true. Our world is real. Scooby Doo is real.
At the same time, I feel like aliens are too far on Supernatural. If aliens showed up, I feel like that would be weird. It wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me, but I feel like it'd be weird.
I do feel like the X-Files liked to tow that line. Simply having Scully on the show implied that there needed to be a scientific explanation for everything, but they also liked to challenge her with things that she couldn't explain. Same with Fringe. It's a realistic, technobabble X-Files, but they liked to push the boundaries of the explainable there.
With Sliders, I think the rules sorta get thrown out because "anything is possible." Even with Quinn or Arturo occasionally playing Scully, they didn't really try to understand how there could be a universe where the rules of physics don't really apply. As if there's some sort of branching possibility with physics being "created."
For me, I know what I would do. It's what I did for Earth 214 (I think), and it's what I've suggested to a lot of people who've asked me about fanfics - and that's "try to think through each world." The most fun part for me about writing Sliders is trying to put real thought into each world you come up with. If you want to write a story about the French ruling America, come up with how it would work and follow through. Maybe Napoleon was never defeated. Then what. Then what. And I'd try to have something in the episode that shows that we did the research and put thought into it.
Where this gets me into trouble with most people is that doubles probably shouldn't exist. This definitely came up after E214, but if I were doing Sliders, doubles would either be very rare or completely absent. Fraternal doubles should exist, but if we're talking about a world that separated in 1776, it's very unlikely that every human that was born from 1776 on looked exactly the same. And if one person looks different, then every subsequent birth should be different. If Quinn's grandparents look different from Earth Prime to British Earth, then Quinn's parents would look different and then Quinn would look different. And that's if Quinn's parents ever meet in the first place.
If you want doubles, you sorta have to write into the rules that "certain people are supposed to exist the way they are." So there's some sort of predestination where Quinn always looks like Jerry O'Connell. But then you can't play around with Robert Floyd as Quinn or Logan St. Claire. Because if the universe always makes Michael's sperm and Amanda's egg magically meet to create Quinn, then you have to stick to that.
And hell, if you want to get really deep into the deep end, there's the idea that human beings are unlikely. Life was unlikely. If you actually looked at infinite Earths, I'd think the vast majority of them wouldn't have life at all. And then there'd be a vast majority of Earths with life that doesn't look anything like the life we know. Language would vary from Earth to Earth dramatically. In that case, Sliders would resemble Star Trek more than Sliders.
To explain this, someone here had a great analogy. Think of sliding as a vehicle in a town. Every house is a different parallel Earth. You can very easily travel from house to house, and the people in every house might look different but they'd typically have a lot in common. They'd speak the same language. Go to the same schools. Shop at the same stores. One family would be pretty recognizable to another one. You'd need a more powerful timer to go to a different part of the city. It's still be recognizable - the people would still be citizens of the same town but the kids would go to a different school, the people might work somewhere else. They'll shop somewhere else.
You'd need a more powerful timer to get to a different part of the state/region/country. A lot of things would be different but still very recognizable. But the further you get, the bigger the differences would be. Dialect. Language. Nationalities. Ethnicities. Politics.
The "rules" you establish could simply be that Quinn's timer is a scooter. It can go from house to house, and with enough work, it might be able to get around a city. The city is a place where Humans are dominant, the languages are recognizable (not always English but always an Earth Prime language), and history is familiar enough. The worlds where life evolved into something unrecognizable, where language isn't decipherable, where the air isn't breathable, where the worlds are more alien than anything....aren't accessible to Quinn. Maybe they aren't accessible to any Slider.
That's how I'd make it work.
1,540 2019-06-25 14:02:58
Re: X-Men/Legion/The Gifted/Deadpool (45 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Apparently Matthew Vaughn wanted to do First Class, then Apocalypse, then Days of Future Past. He wanted the First Class people to get their own movie as a team (after coming together in First Class) before doing Days of Future Past. Fox apparently heard the plan and demanded they flip DoFP and Apocalypse to take advantage of the money grab to get the old cast and the new cast.
And, honestly, that makes more sense from a story perspective. If you end the series with Days of Future Past, the future sequence with Wolverine could've been the end. Everything worked out and sorta tied together. Instead, they tried to do more with the younger versions even though they'd already established that they'd saved the future. It's hard to fear for Scott and Jean and Charles and Hank in Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix when we saw them okay in the future.
On the Weekly Planet podcast, one of the hosts likes to talk about how the X-Men films' continuity is as simple as "do you remember the last movie? That's good enough" - if you ever try and remember passed the previous movie, the continuity sorta falls apart.
It's just crazy that the X-Men films were fine, broke their continuity with prequels, and then had a movie to fix the continuity....before trashing it all over again.
I don't know what the legacy of the X-Men films is. The three movies I like the most (X2, First Class, and Logan) don't feel like they exist in the same universe despite the fact that they all have a lot of the same characters, mostly played by the same people (Wolverine is in all three). It's a series that technically has two finales (Logan and Days of Future Past) but doesn't end either place.
1,541 2019-06-20 08:04:46
Re: Do we miss Informant? (74 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
No, Pelosi has argued that she doesn't want to impeach because she wants to wait until he's no longer President so that he can be indicted. The Mueller report said that they can't indict him on criminal charges because he's president. So if he's not president, they could use those charges to send him to prison. If a Democrat is in office, he wouldn't get a pardon.
With Trump, Pence could pardon, but that only works on Federal charges. He could still go to jail from the charges in the state of New York.
1,542 2019-06-19 19:58:50
Re: Do we miss Informant? (74 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Well, I'm certainly not an expert. If impeachment hinders a Democratic push for the White House against Trump or even Pence, it doesn't make sense. I just have read a lot on it and loved John Oliver's analysis.
I think I trust Pelosi more than some. I don't buy the "I'm waiting so that we can send him to jail" argument because I think you can have that cake and eat it too.
1,543 2019-06-19 15:43:06
Re: Do we miss Informant? (74 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
As much as I would like Trump out of office, I have to ask: what exactly can he be charged with to oust him? Collusion with Russia? If this loudmouth worked with Russia, he'd never shut up about it. Obstruction of justice? He failed at every turn.
Numerous experts say that Trump's intent to obstruct is established through ordering subordinates to shut down the Mueller investigation only for his staff to ignore him or refuse. And that it's solid grounds for impeachment. To me (and to Pelosi, I think), it would be very easy for the Trump administration to spin that as Trump expressing wishes that he knew would not be carried out. To me, impeachment is currently a dead end.
Yeah, I don't think impeachment and removal is possible. My favorite idea is to go through the motions and then not call for a vote. I'm for impeachment in the same way that I'm in favor of a doctor doing one last round of CPR on a man he knows is probably dead. Because it's the right thing to do. Because there's that small chance that it could work. Because you never know.
Would it be a waste of Democratic political capital? I don't know. It wouldn't affect Biden or Mayor Pete or Beto or Julian Castro or DeBlasio or anyone not currently in Congress. If you don't bother with a Senate vote, it wouldn't affect Warren or Bernie or Booker or Gillabrand or Kamala or Klobuchar. The only person who might be involved in a House impeachment proceeding is Tulsi, and maybe you let her campaign and let the other Democratic Reps do it. For Democratic people in the House, I'd suspect that the impeachment proceedings would *be* their campaign. "Did my House rep participate in the impeachment proceedings? Were they big players? Cool, they have my vote"
I'd rather them do that than keep wasting 9/11 first responders' time. Or work on legislation that McConnell will kill.
Would it be a dog and pony show? Would there be evidence to get any sort of conviction? I don't know. I'd just feel a lot better about my government if a president tried really hard to break the law, and even if he failed because he's an idiot, that the checks and balances at least tried to make him pay for it.
Maybe Pelosi is right. I just don't really see the downside. I don't think you lose any votes. I'd love to present a ton of evidence and make Republicans (either in the House or the Senate) formally side with Trump in history. And maybe you disrupt some republican campaigns or Trump's campaign by getting them crazy off topic for the most part.
Just like I've gotten us crazy off topic ![]()
1,544 2019-06-19 08:05:22
Re: Do we miss Informant? (74 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
More people believed he was guilty before the trial than after.
There's no way that's true.
The prosecution bungled a bunch of things, and a ton of coincidental items happened to overlap at one specific time that made things easy on the defense.....but I don't think the defense actually convinced anyone of anything. And that's why I picked that specific example - the defense simply created a narrative that played into the minds of people who already thought he was guilty. That the LAPD wants to take down black men (powerful or not) and are willing to use their power to make that happen.
If you watch the fantastic documentary OJ: Made in America, the jury essentially admits that they ruled the way they did because they wanted revenge for Rodney King. None of them watched the trial and were convinced that he was innocent. And depending on how far you meant by "after" the trial, almost everyone is convinced now that he did do it...outside of the supercharged political climate that the trial took place in (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the … edirect=on)
And that's what you would have in an impeachment trial. Two sides that already are locked in on their opinion and two sides arguing a case to their own side. Is it foolhardy to try? I don't think so because I think we owe it to the system itself to say "he did bad things, and people stood up to him." Just like I think it would've been insulting to Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman to not bring to trial the one guy who could've done the murders, even if they knew what we know now. Not necessarily because it's the wily thing to do but because it's the right thing to do.
Again, you don't even have to call a vote. Just present the evidence and get it out there as much as possible. It only takes a few hundred votes to take way Trump's win in 2016. Yeah, nominating someone not historically unpopular with 20+ years of political baggage will probably get you there....but shouldn't they use every weapon in their arsenal?
1,545 2019-06-18 13:53:32
Re: Do we miss Informant? (74 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Yeah but by not impeaching, they're admitting there's no case. Is that what they're going after? Would it have been better for the LA District Attorney to not prosecute OJ Simpson knowing that he got off? Or do you make your best case and if the system fails, you can still hold your head high?
And if they think this president is dangerous, you don't play politics with it. If you wait for the primaries, that's another several months where Donald Trump can deal with Iran, where Donald Trump controls the situation at the border, where Donald Trump can be meeting with foreign agents about 2020, etc.
(For the record, I'm not arguing with you. I'm arguing with them, if that's their logic)
1,546 2019-06-18 08:02:26
Re: Do we miss Informant? (74 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
As a liberal, I spend more time criticizing liberals than conservatives because I'm more concerned about the failures of my side and what my side can do to correct them and how my side is constantly falling short of the values we espouse. If I were conservative, I imagine I'd be the same, just on a different side. And, quite frankly, I don't even think the politics were the problem as much as the means by which they were expressed.
I don't follow anyone political on Twitter, but I occasionally dip my toe into political waters to see what people are thinking. My newest political curiosity is how active liberal Twitter people are handling this particular conundrum: if Trump is awful and needs to be impeached and the Democratic Party is the beacon of all goodness, how are people handling the idea that the Democratic Party is seemingly refusing to impeach Trump?
When Trump was elected, I wasn't as upset as everyone else. I thought this because I didn't think Trump was all that popular with mainstream Republicans (I was quite wrong there) and I thought Democrats would lead the charge against Trump on Day One, and they'd boot him from office whenever he had a misstep.
I was also wrong there. While Democrats obviously despise Trump and all that he stands for, the anger seems to be isolated to interviews on Rachel Maddow and on Twitter. There's a lot of talk and very little action. It actually reminds me of the "thoughts and prayers" that Republicans do whenever there is a mass shooting. For all Trump's done and for all the evidence they have, we get the Democratic version of "thoughts and prayers"
Stepping back, I get it. Is it worth it to impeach Trump when there's a really good chance that Senate Republicans won't pass it? You'd need more than a handful of Republicans to step over the aisle, and while I thought it was possible in 2016, I don't think it's possible now. I can see why Pelosi and Democrats don't want to give him the OJ-like ability to claim himself innocent when everyone knows he's not.
So when I look, I get this confusion from liberals on Twitter. It's this "IMPEACH TRUMP NOW!" followed by a "Pelosi knows what she's doing." Or "PELOSI SHOULD EITHER IMPEACH HIM OR RESIGN" followed by someone attacking that person for not getting in line. Like Bernie and Hillary, we're coming up on a Civil War inside the Democratic Party where people are either starting to turn on Pelosi (in some cases, calling her complicit to Trump's crimes) or holding the line because that's what Pelosi is doing.
And I'm baffled by it all, honestly. Yes, Trump is the leader of the Republican party. And since he's popular (enough) with the base and since it's good for them to have a Republican in the White House, I understand why most Republicans can't just openly turn on him. But I also assume they'd all be happier with Pence both in the White House and on the ticket. He's a more traditional conservative (although arguably worse than Trump on certain issues in every definition of that word for everyone concerned), and I think certain parts of the Republican base would be happier to vote for him than Trump.
For Democrats....I don't know what. I see where Pelosi is coming from, but her inaction almost makes me believe in the idea that Democrats and Republicans are just our labels and everyone in Congress is essentially on the same side. That they're all happy with the status quo but that they have to rabble on Twitter to make certain people feel better.
Because, yeah, the Senate probably won't kick him out (even though it makes sense for them to). And even if they did, he probably wouldn't leave peacefully. And that's a huge problem in itself. But I think what Pelosi thinks they have to lose isn't really what they have to lose.
If the Senate refuses to boot him, Trump will be able to say he was not guilty - Well, he's saying that now. And he'd say it even if he was found guilty. That's not going to change.
If the Senate refuses to boot him, it might affect the election - In certain years, maybe. This year? I think most people have a rock-hard opinion of Trump and that an impeachment result (either way) will not persuade their vote in 2020. Certain people will vote for Trump in 2020 no matter what. Certain people will vote for his opponent (no matter who that is) no matter what. People have decided if he's guilty or innocent, and the Senate vote won't have any impact on what they think. I think even most independents (myself included) have already made up their minds on him. So who's still unsure? Wouldn't bringing up all the evidence and showing it convince more people than a strictly-political vote convince people? Even if you get a few hundred votes to flip in the right place or convince a few hundred people who sat out in 2016 to vote....that's enough to win.
The only thing I can think of is that Pelosi is 100% convinced that someone will beat him in 2020. That she'd rather face Trump than Pence. And she might be right. The map overwhelmingly helps Democrats over Republicans, and it took a historically unpopular candidate in Clinton to lose. And even then, she barely lost and still overwhelmingly won the popular vote. I think essentially anyone in the field can beat him, and it might not even be that hard.
If that's the case, maybe you just wait and beat him. But I read an idea online that the House should go through the impeachment process and then never throw it to the Senate. Go through the whole evidence procedure but never call for a vote. So you'd give the American public all the information without ever giving Trump a chance to exonerate himself. I mean he'll consider this an exoneration and his fans would too....but they're going to anyway.
I think it's an interesting strategy.
1,547 2019-06-17 08:05:17
Re: Do we miss Informant? (74 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I think it's probably hard to feel like you're on a side by yourself on everything.
- Informant loved the DCEU, but generally hated the Marvel movies. Most people here tended to criticize the DCEU and liked/loved many of the Marvel films.
- Informant struggled to keep watching the Arrowverse and despised Supergirl. We all stuck with it, including Supergirl.
- Informant was a clear pro-life conservative. Most people (TF notwithstanding?) are either centrist or liberal.
It's probably hard to find the passion to get back here and be the only one championing something on so many levels. Without Sliders to talk about on any sort of consistent basis, these are the things we talked about. Superhero movies, superhero TV, and stuff like that. He seemed staunchly opposed to most of us, and we had a lot of the same arguments in circular fashion.
It is sometimes easier to log onto a site and see a view that supports your own. There's vindication when he reads an article about how the DCEU was too genius for its own time, for how the Marvel movies aren't all that great, how the Arrowverse needs to die, and how Supergirl is the worst of them all.
But I always looked forward to seeing a new post from Informant on a lot of these subjects. It was always interesting to see a new Marvel movie and see what he thought. I, of course, looked forward to seeing what he thought about movies like Justice League and BvS. It was also fun to write a big long thing about any of those movies and see him pick my points apart. I think it's more fun to read the other side and try and see where they're coming from.
If he's gone, it's going to be less interesting around here.
1,548 2019-06-10 15:28:53
Re: Do we miss Informant? (74 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
It's interesting. For the most part, every show has to sell you on plot first. Great characters usually only develop out of some sort of interesting plot.
To me, the best show ever (not my favorite) is HBO's the Wire. It's a show that I've recommended dozens of times, but it's also a show that I always mention "starts slow but stick with it." A lot of people say to give it 4 episodes before you quit on it, essentially demanding that people fight through almost *half* the first season before they're allowed to decide if they like it or not. That show is almost exclusively about characters - there's certainly a lot of plot, but the plot for that show is decidedly disconnected for the most part. When I sell the show to people, I sell the realism and the characters.
My favorite show is LOST. LOST is an interesting case study because it's a show that always had a fight between plot and characters. People that were there for plot hated the show. People that were there for characters loved it. But almost everyone that watched the show watched because of the plot. I can distinctly remember looking at a newspaper ad for LOST - it was Jurassic Park meets Castaway - two things that intrigued me at the time. None of the advertisements said "don't worry about the plot! You'll love the characters!" and I'm not sure I would've watched if they did.
I also distinctly remember ads for Sliders. And, again, I was sold on plot. Four people land on a world run by the Russian! A world dying of disease! A world about to be destroyed by an asteroid! But it wasn't anything about characters.
I think the problem with Sliders in this respect is that shows in that time were about plot. You might have a show with great characters, but it was usually incidental. Mulder and Scully are great characters, but I think the X-Files cared more about plot than characterization because they needed a plot to draw people in.
Today, I think you can sell a show on characters. I think Better Call Saul is a show that draws people in on characters and not plot. People know the plot of Better Call Saul, but they want to see Jimmy/Saul.
I think most people come to a show for the plot and stay for the characters. I think that's the case for Sliders. I think the unique thing about Sliders is that the plot is so compelling and so infinite and so untapped that people might've come for the plot, stayed for the characters, and then stayed for the plot as the characters fell one by one.
1,549 2019-06-07 07:34:14
Re: Titans (and other DC Universe Shows) (18 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Well that would definitely put a damper on things. But if they want to go after the Disney model, one big platform with DC being a smaller part (like Marvel/Star Wars being sections of Disney+) might be the way to go
1,550 2019-06-06 14:20:56
Re: Titans (and other DC Universe Shows) (18 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Muwhahah, nice ![]()
1,551 2019-06-06 12:26:01
Re: Titans (and other DC Universe Shows) (18 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I don't think we need a post for DC Universe, but after two pretty well-regarded series (Titans and Doom Patrol), DC has already cancelled Swamp Thing after just one episode.
Although supposedly there were issues with a rebate they were supposed to get from the state of North Carolina, and it was enough to just pull the plug.
I've been meaning to watch Titans (it'll be next on my list of catch-up shows), and I heard great things about Doom Patrol. If DC is going to actually put out great material, maybe it'd be worth doing. And I'd love to see them try something big on there (ireactions has mentioned moving their cinematic universe to TV - this could maybe work)
1,552 2019-06-03 15:43:59
Re: Do we miss Informant? (74 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
That really is interesting. I feel like that's an American way of thinking - that whatever we did was the right thing. That we've perfected a sort of way of living and that anything different is inherently flawed.
One interesting one is the Earth that Smarter Quinn talks about in the Pilot. The utopia Earth. Someone, somewhere, told me that they believed that the Earth that Smarter Quinn is talking about is, in fact, the Luck of the Draw world. I prefer to think that it isn't, just to maintain the hope that the world Smarter Quinn talked about was a real utopia and not a result of a Lottery. But if it was, it's a bit of a dark notion. Utopia exists but there's always a price.
1,553 2019-06-03 09:20:49
Re: Do we miss Informant? (74 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
It's strange. This is reading like a tribute/obituary to Informant.
Is he never coming back? Is this his tribute/obituary?
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Everything about the abortion debate makes me want to pull my hair out. In no way do pro-choice people want to kill babies. They are simply arguing that, if there's a situation where a woman believes that bringing a child into the world is going to be bad for everyone involved (her, the child, and possibly society as a whole) then she should have the ability to safely make that decision.
I also think, in no way, do (most?) pro-life people want to turn the clock back a thousand years and put women in a Handmaid's Tale - style gender apocalypse. They are simply saying that life is precious and that, since the baby doesn't get a choice on whether or not it gets to live, someone should speak for them.
For some reason, I seem to have a rare superpower to see both of these things. And while I acknowledge that there can't be a perfect solution where no one gets abortions but women are still free to get them, I also acknowledge that there has to be a better way to discuss this than sending *anyone* to a cornfield or a mental asylum.
1,554 2019-05-31 13:14:20
Re: Random Thoughts about TV, Film and Media (698 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
It renders a lot of long term storylines moot but characterization remains. The main characters still grow and change even if the setting changes. It would be like a show that's about a journey. Sam and Dean go to a new place each week with very few recurring characters, but the brothers still grew and evolved. Preacher is essentially about a road trip, and it's setting/background characters change each season. Even something like Star Trek has the crew going to a new planet each time (looking more at Discovery than any of the older shows since it's more serialized).
I do think that a modern re-telling wouldn't necessarily need to be one world per episode. I think it might be interesting to stay on a world for 2-5 episode stretches and then move on. For example, if they were to do a 12-episode season and visit four worlds per season. I think it would allow for more drama and less deus ex machina to get the sliders out of a jam each week.
1,555 2019-05-31 11:29:19
Re: Random Thoughts about TV, Film and Media (698 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
If Sliders came out today, I think its best bet would be to be somewhere streaming or on a network like AMC. In either case, it would need to be even less formulaic than it was since TV has moved so far towards serial storytelling. AMC has done stuff like Into the Badlands or Humans (and quirky stuff like Lodge 49), and it's known for "smart" storytelling that Torme would appreciate. If I were producing Sliders today, that's where I'd go after if I were them.
1,556 2019-05-24 10:32:35
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
It's weird. The Monitor showed up on Arrow first, and he had the biggest "cameo" on that. Then he showed up on Supergirl and Legends, while also sorta being a part of the Flash finale (as the crisis moved up to 2019).
But what are we to make of his appearances on Supergirl and Legends? On Supergirl, he release's J'onn's (evil?) brother from some sort of imprisonment. Then he rescued (?) the dead (?) Lex Luthor to end the season. On Legends, he showed up, did nothing, and was used mostly for comic relief as he was seen eating popcorn.
I don't know what they're setting up with him. He seemed like a good guy fighting an impossible fight on the Arrow finale (after being a sometimes good / sometimes bad character in the crossover). On Supergirl, he seemed like a bad guy (working with / helping two supervillains). On Legends, he did nothing.
It's cool that they're going to have a storyline potentially bleed through all five shows next season, and it's going to potentially be a cool sendoff to Arrow and a big step in the Arrowverse. But I found the Monitor cameos to be much more confusing than the "WOW" tease that I think we were supposed to be left with.
1,557 2019-05-24 08:04:20
Re: Supernatural (267 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Yeah, I sorta think something has to happen in the first two episodes, or it's virtually impossible to go back to the Monster of the Week stories. What's interesting is that Jensen and Jared spoke at some conference recently, and Jensen was asked how he wanted the final season to go. I tried looking it up but I couldn't find it (I didn't try super hard) but paraphrased, Jensen said "I would like the angels to go back to Heaven, the demons to go back to Hell, and we would just fight monsters like we did back in season one."
So Jensen, channeling Informant, said that he likes the Monster of the Week format. If God is stalking the brothers or if they have to fight hundreds of zombies each week, that's virtually impossible. The boys would literally have much bigger fish to fry.
I think you're right. It'll look big and epic and then something will happen. God will disappear again and no one will be able to find him. Or something big will scare him away. Or something. And the boys will sit around the bunker, drinking beer, deciding that it's best that they go hunt a wendigo or something while they wait for Chuck's next move. And then, like in previous seasons, Chuck will show back up in November and cause problems. Then he'll disappear/leave again. Then show back up when it's finale time.
1,558 2019-05-21 10:45:08
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (934 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I've enjoyed the episodes, and I feel like the TV writers have decided to simply return the movie division's favor and ignore the movies. I feel like they've been the little brother for long enough, and they just want to do their own thing. No more connections, no more mentions. If a snap happened, it doesn't matter. If there's an Iron Man and a Captain America and a Thor and Avengers, it doesn't matter. Just like it didn't matter that the Avengers brought every hero of all time (including Howard the Duck) to fight Thanos, and there wasn't Quake or Inhumans or anyone else that could've helped.
And I think that's fine. Daredevil supposedly exists in that universe even though it never felt like it. It's sad because I think it could've been cool to introduce people on the show and have them bleed into the movies and vice versa. While they were never going to get Chris Evans, it was cool that they got Jaimie Alexander. It was cool that there was a plotline on AoS to explain how the Helicarrier got there in Age of Ultron. It was cool that they had to react to Captain America: Winter Soldier and clean up after Thor: The Dark World.
But when the movies didn't seem like they cared, it's fine that the show decided the same. Just do what the Netflix shows did - carve out your own little place and don't worry about anything else.
1,559 2019-05-21 10:37:31
Re: Supernatural (267 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
This is a complete reversal to one of SUPERNATURAL's greatest creations. It's a shocking and painful betrayal. But it seems to me like the inescapable result of extending the lifespan of the series.
Possibly. But it could also either be some sort of trick (it's not really Chuck) or it's some sort of gambit to prepare the brothers for something bigger/badder.
Or, again, it's the only "monster" that the brothers haven't killed and the only way to end the show.
1,560 2019-05-21 08:49:15
Re: Do we miss Informant? (74 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Hahaha to be fair I used Max Landis as a resource for my Mary Sue argument and he ended up being a serial sexual abuser too and has fallen off the face of the planet (although I think he's still making money selling scripts).
The thing that makes me sad is that we used to have societal protections in place to make conversation civil. I eat lunch with a group of people from work. I know for certain that a couple of them are highly (but not far-right) conservative. They come from more rural areas and strongly believe in the 2nd amendments and have more conservative, Christian social beliefs. And so when we have lunch, we tend (as a group) to just not broach certain topics. For example, despite being a big topic, no one has mentioned the abortion bills. It isn't that no one cares (I know for sure that one of them does), but it wouldn't be constructive to talk about it so we don't. We still need somewhere to eat lunch tomorrow and the next day and the next day.
On the internet, we don't have to do that. We can let our darker/more radical thoughts grow, and we can have them reinforced by like-minded people. And then the hate starts (I almost made this a Yoda reference but decided against it).
I'm not saying you have to eat lunch with a Nazi. But I think there was a time when we'd be okay talking to one. I think of the movie American History X, where a former Neo-Nazi is rehabbed by a friendship with a black guy. He doesn't have to be punched. He doesn't have to be left alone. Maybe you talk to them and try to understand where they're coming from. And you realize that you have something in common. Maybe a few things. And he realizes that maybe he's wrong on a few things. Next thing you know, he's hiding the tattoo he has instead of proudly showing it off.
I'm seeing less and less of that these days. People want women in Georgia and Alabama and Missouri to flee the state instead of staying and fighting for what they believe in. I feel like certain liberals are willing to abandon people in red (and sometimes just purple) states without trying to understand why they're doing what they're doing. Instead of finding some sort of compromise (like we've done for decades), we're trying to pass radical legislation. We have to label someone as "pro-abortion" instead of "pro-choice" when it's clearly not what they're going for.
I'm ready to put some of that civility back into things. Then maybe we could have lunch with someone who might have a few radical beliefs. We don't have to be best friends with them. We don't even have to change them. Sometimes we just see if they change on their own. Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't. It's okay either way ![]()