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Things actually went a little more traditionally than we were thinking.  Isaac did betray his people, but it wasn't as extreme as we were thinking.  It also didn't really seem like he was playing any sort of long game.  It seems like he was going along with it, possibly hoping to think of something when it was time.

At the same time, I don't know if Isaac can really be let off the hook.  Yeah, he acted when he needed to, and he was willing to sacrifice himself.  But he knew the whole time that his people could possibly decide to destroy them all.  If he ever got to the point where he was willing to sacrifice himself to protect them, he should've said something.  The fact that he didn't is pretty damning against him.  Even if he thought/calculated that he was providing enough evidence to protect the crew, he should've at least warned them of what could've happened.  He didn't even tell them that he'd be deactivated once he'd accumulated enough data.

The show didn't really even try to explain any of this.  They said that Isaac was activated after the builders were all killed, but that information wasn't kept from him.  He seemed to know what happened.  There didn't seem to be any indication that anything was kept from him to prevent him from making a logical leap or anything that would prevent him from telling the crew about it.

He knew.  He didn't say anything.  So unless he decided that he cared exactly when he acted, he's still largely responsible for all the people that died over the course of this incident.

It was very reminiscent of second parters on TNG or VOY.  Just a little too neat and tidy.  But I did think the Krill plan was a pretty creative idea, and I was still impressed at how serious everything was taken.

My question is this - they seemed to imply that the Kalon were much more advanced than the Union, but the Krill seemed to destroy them fairly easily.  How in the heck is the Union staying in a war with the Krill?

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Sounds like Will Smith is out of Suicide Squad 2.  No Deadshot or Harley certainly makes me think that it's more of a "hard" reboot than a sequel.  I wonder if they'll get back Viola Davis back.

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Yeah.  I can't argue there.

The problem with the Marvel Netflix shows is consistently a refusal to write any sort of "case of the week" stories.  And I just don't understand why none of the shows ever did this.  Daredevil is a lawyer.  Luke Cage and Iron Fist are heroes for hire.  Jessica Jones is a friggin' PI.  There are built-in ways to tell a story that doesn't involve one guy fighting one guy for 13 episodes.  I know "freak of the week" stories got old on Smallville, but I think television has evolved since then.  The Arrowverse regularly pads seasons that are twice as long with stories like that.

They wouldn't have to forget about their primary villains.  While Frank was trying to bust up a gang of human traffickers, Russo could still be in therapy.  Pilgrim could be chasing down the girl.  They don't have to ignore their character building to busy up Frank in an engaging story for an episode.  We could see Kingpin's rise to power while Matt Murdock is trying to get a falsely-accused guy out of prison.  Kilgrave could be abusing his power while Jessica Jones tries to find a missing child.

Give the characters a season-long arc, but it doesn't have to be *only that*.  I mean, Hell, in the X-Files, they did so many case of the week episodes that people actually prefer them to the mythology episodes. smile

I feel like it almost has to be something from the higher ups at Marvel TV or Netflix.  Because there's no way that we'd have 12 seasons of this stuff and none of the writing rooms thought "Hmmm...what if we had Frank do something in this episode instead of having him hang out on a rooftop casing a joint for 40 minutes so we can do the 10 minute fight sequence that is the only reason we're doing this episode."

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About 9 episodes into the Punisher.

What's really odd about this season is the way it's structured.  I think they're trying to do one of those "blur the lines between hero and villain" things, but it's coming off sorta awkward to me.  Billy doesn't even know who the Punisher is until the very end of episode 7, and even then, Billy doesn't even know what's going on.  As of right now (with four episodes to go), it's clear that Billy wasn't faking it.  He was plotting to get his revenge.  He's still a killer and a monster, but he's essentially a new character.

And our hero, Frank, is the same guy, and his only goal is to find this guy and kill him.

It's a weird situation.  I find myself, at times, wondering how this narrative would work in reverse.  If Frank were beaten up at the end of season one and left for dead.  He wakes up from a coma and doesn't know that his wife and kids are dead.  And he's terrified by nightmares of this man with a jigsaw face.  And he's trying to find out who he is while this pyschopath keeps attacking him for reasons Frank can't possibly understand.

It just feels sorta disconnected because the hero and villain have this history that only the hero really remembers.  It makes for a complicated villain but a complicated story structure.  Then you have Pilgrim thrown in, and I don't have any idea where he's supposed to fit in.  Frank barely knows who he is at all, and I don't think anyone on the hero side knows his name.

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Ha with the Culber stuff, I acknowledged it might just be me.

And I don't forgive all the Voyager stuff.  Voyager was very much a mess, but I just had fun with it for whatever reason.

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But even without that, Section 31 is only being spoken of openly aboard a highly classified warship and Captain Pike knew of 31 not because he had worked for them, but because he was friends with one of their agents.

True, but Michael recognized their combadge.  Maybe she might know via Georgiou or Sarek or something, but I was more surprised that she knew than Pike. 

But just having their own combadges sorta takes the "secret" out of "secret agent" doesn't it? smile

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And that's how I remembered Section 31 and why I was so surprised to hear it talked about so openly.  Even if it eventually gets phased out, people in the DS9 era should know about it.  Or, at least, react to it in some way.  "That was phased out hundreds of years ago."  It'd be like Homeland Security getting phased out and people refusing to believe it ever existed in 2200.

I know we've beaten this horse to death, but I think this could've been another example of the show being better in the 25th century.  What if, after DS9, Section 31 did go legit?  What if, because of the actions of Bashir and co., remnants of the organization decided to expose themselves to Starfleet and make a "tamer" version of the organization.  And then maybe the Georgiou show makes it clear that they're not tamer.  At least it's progress instead of writing something and then doing backflips to make it work in the existing continuity.

Then there's stuff like Saru.  There's all this stuff about him and his planet, but the problem is that we've never seen any other Kelpians.  They've never been mentioned again.  So while there certainly could be Kelpians on other starships, none have ever been prominent enough to be seen or mentioned ever again.  If their planet joined the Federation, we might never know.  Same with Denobulans.  I know we don't see many Tellarites (even though they're founding members of the Federation), but it makes me worry that these characters are the only ones who ever made it.  It'd be like if Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier but no other African Americans wanted to (or were allowed to) play.

In Saru's case, I worry that his fellow Kelpians destroyed their enemies, destroyed all the technology, and never became warp capable.

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ireactions wrote:

I feel DISCOVERY has been pretty clear that the Red Angel phenomenon is not supernatural or metaphysical in nature?

The Red Angel, yes.  What I'm talking about mostly revolves around the Culber subplot.  They touched on it a bit last season too, where the spore network seemed to be some sort of afterlife.  Now they have someone's spirit existing and then being reformed into a human body?  I know Trek has dealt with stuff like this before, but it doesn't feel right for the series for whatever reason.  Could just be me.

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Also, is Section 31 a secret?  It's been a while since I've seen the DS9 episodes (and I haven't seen the Enterprise ones), but I thought it was completely off the books and no one knew about it?  Now Georgiou is flashing her special combadge, and it's so recognizable that Burnham knows what it is immediately?

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All interesting theories.  I do wonder how the series will continue with Isaac regardless of the outcome.

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On Discovery, I'm having a hard time connecting with this season.  I don't know what it is, but there's a lot of non-science things going on.  They had a lot of spirituality on DS9, but I don't know if it works as well here.

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I think the Arrowverse could use a shakeup.  Who's the biggest death in the Arrowverse that wasn't written out?  Dr. Stein?

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Interesting.  I was actually thinking something else, but that would've been pretty huge.

The Orville was great last night.  It's incredible that it's gotten to a place where they can have an episode with very little humor and make me feel terrified for the crew.

Other than to help us identify him, is there any particular reason why everyone else on Isaac's planet has red eyes and he has blue?

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ireactions wrote:

However, I feel that any new showrunner would be crippled by this situation. With eleven seasons of three incompatible mythologies in the background, THE X-FILES would never be trusted to develop a new mythos no matter who's running it. The showrunners would be unable to open new arcs involving aliens or government conspiracies without getting entangled in the Colonization, the Conspiracy of Men and the Spartan Virus, none of which Carter had resolved or clarified.

Despite the bulk of THE X-FILES being monsters of the week, I think it is unreasonable to have new showrunners engage in a revival where aliens and conspiracies are off the table or so inextricably linked to Carter's clumsy myth-arc that any new alien conspiracy material would be connected to Carter's mis-steps.

I think this pretty much sums up the reasons why it doesn't make sense to just carry on with new writers.  With something like Ghostbusters, I think it makes more sense to continue in-universe vs. do a reboot (moreso than the gender of the main characters).  With that, you have established canon, rules, and mythologies.  It does nothing but pad the run time when you have to re-invent proton packs, re-build the ECTO 1, and re-introduce villains that we've already seen or were already referenced.  My opinion is pick up where they left off - everything's already invented and the characters you want to use already exist.  Just put your new characters into that story.

With the X-Files, you're right...alien arcs would be a mess and there's no sense in doing the X-Files with no references to aliens.

So my thought is....just make a new show.  If you have a show about a skeptic and a believer that solve paranormal mysteries for the FBI, the only thing from the X-Files you're carrying on are last names and a title.  Fringe was an updated X-Files with more tech-based monsters.  Supernatural is backroads X-Files. (Insert the name of 20+ shows or movies that I've never heard of) is (insert adjective) X-Files.

But as much as writers would be crippled by a revival, I think a reboot would be the same way.  They'd either need to make quick payoffs to their mythology episodes, or they'd be accused of dragging it out like Carter did.  Would they ever be able to get away with impregnating the female character?  And any payoff they would do would be compared against the original.

So if it's me, I just find my own twist on it.  What if, instead of FBI, the agents are CIA?  Have it all take place outside the United States with the agents investigating European/Asian/African urban legends.  Instead of an American government conspiracy, maybe it's the Russians or the Chinese working with aliens.  Or create your own mythos - maybe aliens have been working with the Indian government and slow-playing their advancements a la Wakanda.

Maybe you set the show in the future.  Or the past.  Tweak one thing, call it something else, and do your own version of the X-Files that isn't hampered by anything Chris Carter did, including his title.

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Yes, that will do.

Now cross it over with FRINGE.

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ireactions wrote:

Well, I hope you're happy, Slider_Quinn21. I'm now going to watch another often expressionless but favourite performer, Saoirse Ronan, and hope she doesn't fall off my list too.

Ha, I haven't seen her in much, but I thought she was great in Brooklyn.  I think you're good there.

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Ha, it was certainly not my intention to sour you on her.  I guess I sorta had the same process just stumbling on it on my own.  When the Flash first started, I definitely had my own little crush on Panabaker - she's very pretty and she was fun and smart and lively.  I never had any trouble buying her as a medical doctor, regardless of her age, and I thought she added to the team and wasn't just there as part of a love triangle or to be attractive.

And when my friend wanted to watch Time Lapse, I watched and was pleasantly surprised when Panabaker showed up.  "She's on the Flash!" I probably exclaimed to my friend who certainly didn't care.  And her performance in that movie was noticeable in a bad way.  And ever since then, I've been a little more attentive of her acting to see if she was bad in Time Lapse or if she's just not great.

I definitely don't want to bash her or anything.  Again, I think she's fine - she doesn't drag down scenes in the Flash, and I think I've noticed enough from her social media presence that she legitimately loves the show and the fans and wants to be great.  I think she seems to have a lot of fun playing Killer Frost, and she does a good-enough job acting the way you described (by dulling down Caitlin to make Killer Frost more lively).

It's funny, the Arrowverse generally has pretty solid actors and actresses.  I was going through the four main shows, and I struggled to come up with anyone who I thought struggled through their part.  Everyone's done a pretty good job.  So maybe, on a show with some actors who really can sell their characters, Panabaker is just okay?

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Yeah, Kelly didn't seem to think that the Union would be the same without them.  That's what's sorta intriguing about this storyline.  If the Union said "change or you're out," what would happen?  And who's the bad guy there?

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I'm sorta impressed by where I think the Orville is going.  They had their second episode about the Moclans and their rigid society.  They can't have females, and now they cannot be attracted to females.

And so the episode ends with a conversation with Ed and Kelly where they talk about how they could possibly co-exist with the Moclans.  Kelly said they're too valuable to the Union, but Ed seems convinced that it won't work out full time.  The Orville, a Star Trek parody, seems like it wants to take the story where Trek never did.  What if the Federation added a species, and what if that union simply didn't work?  What if the Federation had a divorce?

I know there was a proposed spin-off post-Enterprise where the Vulcans were going to leave the Federation.  I'm not sure if that had ever happened (even with a minor species), but I think this is potentially fascinating territory for the Orville to cover.

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ireactions wrote:

As much as Slider_Quinn21 will object, I think that if THE X-FILES comes back, it's time for a reboot. I know Slider_Quinn21 always prefers revivals, but Seasons 10 - 11 were the revival and given the ratings and the content having alienated Gillian Anderson, this well has been poisoned by the ineptitude of the original creator and his inability to run a show. The time and opportunity for revival has passed. It's time to start over with a new Mulder and Scully and get it right this time.

I'd like Eric Kripke, Joel Wyman and Bryan Fuller to write it.

I actually agree with a lot of your rationale here.  For me, I'd want to have a show that's a "soft reboot" that takes place in the same universe.  Even if none of the original characters ever come back, it'd be nice to watch a show where their stories took place.  I know it's dumb, but there's a sense of comfort knowing that the people haven't been erased.

At the same time, I completely understand not wanting to try and connect to a mythology that is so ruined that it's not worth salvaging.  I actually think it's pretty similar to Sliders.  It takes a Herculean SLIDERS REBORN effort to try and patchwork Sliders' tattered mythology while also trying to tell a new story.  Instead, it probably makes more sense to throw the whole thing in the bin and start over with a new Mulder and a new Scully.

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Worst kept secret in the world is out - the Punisher and Jessica Jones have both been cancelled.  Even though Jessica Jones still has a season to air, they went ahead and got it out of the way.

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ireactions wrote:

I watched TIME LAPSE and Slider_Quinn21 is right. Danielle Panabaker's performance is acceptable for the first half, but there comes a point when her character, Callie, is watching people get murdered in her living room and having a gun put to her face and Panabaker's reactions are muted and sleepy. I'm not sure what's going on here, but in an interview, the director mentioned that the actors all had very different attitudes to how to rehearse and they had extremely limited time to film as the apartment in which they were filming was scheduled for demolition.

TIME LAPSE reminded me of one of my niece's student films, actually -- there was a key moment when an character was supposed to react with terror and shock in response to a ghost, but my niece was shy and didn't tell the actress to emote and failed to provide a cue and therefore never got the shot she needed. Since then, she's learned to be clear and assertive. TIME LAPSE is full of little moments where the direction and the performances just aren't capturing the details needed to convey the situation.

ireactions' dedication to knowledge (even if it's just pop culture knowledge) is astonishing sometimes (and I mean that in an honestly positive, complimentary way).  I made an off-hand reference to a made-for-digital movie, and he tracks the movie down, watches with analytically, and even goes out of his way to find behind-the-scenes interviews that might explain why some of the acting is off.

With 100% sincerity, a tip of my hat to you. smile

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I'm four episodes into The Punisher season two.  It's fine.  One thing is bothering me, and it's bothering me to an annoying point.

Ben Barnes plays Billy Russo.  In season one, everyone kept saying how pretty Billy was.  That he's such a good-looking dude that he had this vanity to him.  By the end of season one, Frank busts up Billy's face.  It was clear what they were doing - Billy has always used his looks as a weapon, and Frank is taking that weapon away.  Billy, if he survives, ain't pretty no more.  Billy Russo is now the Punisher villain Jigsaw.

Flash forward to season two.  Billy is in the hospital, and he wears a mask with a jigsaw-like face drawn on it.  He's presumably wearing it to hide all the hideous scars on his face.  When he finally escapes the hospital and removes the mask, he's on a bus when a man teases him about his hideous scars.  How he's a freak.  The fact that Billy is essentially in a comotose state as he's talking doesn't matter - it's all about his freakish face.

Later, he visits a man that used to run his foster home.  The man keeps bringing up the fact that Billy used to be so good looking and look at him now.  Scars all over his face.  He's not pretty anymore.

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Except that's how it's written.  In reality, Barnes has a couple minor scars on his face.  He's still very-much Hollywood handsome.  The scars are sometimes not even noticable - not enough to be mentioned over and over again. Definitely not enough for some punk to notice from across a bus.

I read that Barnes pushed for more scarring, but the producers convinced him to go with a more subtle approach because it was more powerful if he thought his outer scars were bad but it was really his *inner* scars that were the worst.  His face isn't terrible, but *inside* he's Jigsaw.

Which I think is just an excuse not to put Barnes in makeup for an entire season, but it also doesn't work.  Because if Barnes is fine on the outside but wrecked on the inside, why are 100% of the people Russo has interacted with speaking to him like he's got Jigsaw-like scars on his face?

It's like the decided later to change it but forgot to change the script, even when they were shooting.

(if either of you guys brought this up, I'm sorry.  I don't read your reviews until I'm done watching).

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ireactions wrote:

I dunno. THE FLASH would benefit from a rest. That said, I’m always happy to see Danielle Panabaker and Tom Cavanagh working.

Aside - do you like Danielle Panabaker as a actress?  Because while I agree that Caitlin's character is currently one of the more interesting, I don't really find her that great as a performer.  I don't' think the show is to blame for this, either.  She was also sorta stumbling through the only movie performance I've ever seen her in - a movie called Time Lapse.

I don't have any problem with her as a person.  She seems to have a great passion for her work and the fans, and I think that's great.  But, at times, it feels like she's simply reading lines without doing any real acting at all.

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Yeah, I'm not 100% sure what to do with the Arrowverse.  I think if I were in charge, I'd move the Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover to the end of next season.  I'd make all the storylines in the Arrowverse (save Supergirl) about the coming crisis, and I'd have it end with Barry disappearing, Oliver dying, and the Legends breaking apart (maybe the crisis also ends their ability to time travel).  And the multiverse would collapse into one universe where Supergirl now exists.  I'd allow each show to have their series finale in their respective shows to deal with Oliver's death, Barry's disappearance (and possible hint at a return), and the breakup of the Legends.

You'd have a Supergirl show and a Batwoman show (if that comes through).  Since the network would still want content, I'd do one more show.  Maybe they could spin off John Diggle as a Green Lantern or do something like Blue Beetle or Booster Gold.  I'd love a Nightwing show, but it's probably too similar to Batwoman (although I'd love to see Dick end up on that show).  And finally make a decision on whether or not Black Lightning should be a part of the universe or not.  If we need another show, I'd do the anthology series.  Maybe start with someone like Cisco or Caitlin or someone from Team Arrow or the Legends (Ray Palmer), but move forward with other stuff.  Maybe one season could even see the return of Barry Allen or Oliver Queen or someone like that.

I don't see any need to end the Arrowverse but maybe ending some of the shows in it isn't a bad idea.

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ireactions wrote:

Did anyone else find it bizarre that Sherloque Wells was wandering the streets of Central City, getting coffee at Jitters, and wearing the face of known, self-confessed murderer Harrison Wells?

I think the show's essentially given up any sort of logic when it comes to the original Harrison Wells or even Eobard.  Essentially, Eddie's sacrifice is a complete waste.

I didn't really like Cause and XS all that much.  I think time loop episodes are generally pretty fun, but I found it as just an excuse to have meaningless death scenes for all our heroes and to dress up Carlos Valdes in funny costumes like they let Tom Cavanagh.

I'm willing to buy into the fate aspect that XS wasn't going to be able to save everyone - someone had to die and no matter who she saved, someone would die.  But I don't understand how Cicada was able to figure out who to go after.  Logic would say that he'd start out looking for Iris (as he did in the original variation) and then move on to Ralph or Cecile or whoever depending on what happened.

But he doesn't really do this - for the timeline to work the way that it does, Cicada essentially has to know who's going to be alone/separate and go after them immediately.  Otherwise, enough time would pass for Barry to get out of the speed force.

Not only that, how the heck were there 52 variations?  They had one where each of them die, and then she protects them all but Cecile dies.  But the next attempt should've been Nora going back to grab Cecile and watching them all.  What's Cicada's move after that?  Kidnap someone random?  Try to find Joe or Wally?  Keeping everyone (including Cecile) at STAR Labs should've been the solution, but either Nora didn't try it or she did and the writers didn't bother to come up with how Cicada still wins.

I also thought it was weird that Nora:

1. didn't want to tell everyone about the time loop.  the first time she tells them, they win.
2. didn't try to go on the offensive.
3. went to the rooftop at all.  I know she wants to help, but she didn't accomplish anything, and if she dies...everyone potentially dies.

It was just a mess of an episode.

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So I read a clickbaity article about how the Discovery era is going to fold seamlessly into the TOS era.  Essentially, it stems from the most recent episode.  Number One comes on board and says that part of the reason the Enterprise is failing is because the holographic communication is screwing up systems.  So Pike orders the Enterprise to strip off all the technology and have all communications be on "good old-fashioned" screens. 

Then, to explain the turbolifts, we had that virus infect the universal translator, and Saru says they'd need a translator to operate it.  Solution?  Make it operated by a very old-fashioned hand-operated bar.

And since Pike, in canon, becomes a Fleet Admiral, he'd have the power to make all his anti-technology decisions spread throughout the Federation.

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I don't know why they insist on doing all these backflips to make the timeline work.  They made a mistake and set the series in the wrong era.  If you want the tech to be updated and look sleek and cool *and* you want to have TOS-era characters....just don't worry about it.  Trying to do all these backbends to make it work is just distracting.

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Although I did do the liberty of stealing one of ireactions ideas to offer my own explanation - namely, his Orville idea.

Season ## premiere - Michael Burnham wakes up on a ship surrounded by people she doesn't know.  They try and calm her down, explaining that she's been in a coma for 20 years.  She was in a shuttle accident, and her mind created a story of her career in Starfleet to get her through it.  It's actually the 28th Century, but when Michael was little, she was fascinated by the stories of Kirk and Spock and Vulcan culture.  The 28th Century is going through a sort of "galactic dark ages" where technology and progress has become stagnant.  The Federation is once again at war with the Klingons, but the reason seems to be nothing more than boredom.

Since Burnham's mind assumes her parents were killed, they were.  So in her coma, she envisions a life where she gets to live with the famous Ambassador Spock and learn from his famous parents.  And then she gets to join Starfleet back when their mission meant something.  She gets to be on the forefront of solving the war with the Klingons.  She gets to seek out new life and new civilizations back when there was something to seek out and new civilizations to meet.

Why is the technology so much nicer looking?  She's seeing the 23rd century through 28th century eyes.  She can't imagine a world without modern holographic communicators.  She can't imagine a time when spore drives (invented in the 26th century) couldn't send you wherever you wanted and imagine she's on the first ship ever installed with one.

Since she's never seen a Klingon in real life, her idea of what they look like is fuzzy.  It could even explain why Pike and Spock and Sarek and Amanda look differently than TOS - it's a child's approximation.

The season would have Burnham using her new 23rd Century ideals to lead a new ship out to reclaim Starfleet's original purpose.

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Yeah, you might end up in a Sliders situation where you get back Charlie Cox but most of his supporting characters are missing and story threads (like Bullseye) could get completely dropped.

I don't think it will happen, mostly because of the delay.  But if the people making the show really enjoyed it, I'd tune back in.

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So it was confirmed that Margot Robbie will not be in the Suicide Squad sequel.  It was also announced that the Joker/Harley movie is probably dead.  Unless something changes, you gotta think we won't see the Jared Leto Joker ever again.

I do wonder what the Suicide Squad movie will look like since it's a "soft reboot".  I'm excited to see what Gunn does with it.

I also wonder what would happen if the Joker movie does well.  Would Phoenix be merged into the existing DCEU?  Would he appear in The Batman movies?  Would he even be interested in coming back?

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Informant wrote:

I think the Loki and Scarlet Witch shows are definitely Disney streaming service material, but the company also owns a large chunk of Hulu. That is where the more mature shows would go.

https://www.superherohype.com/news/4355 … y#/slide/1

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So was the Star City Slayer supposed to be a homicidal version of Informant? big_smile

Wanted to get rid of Oliver's team.  Wanted to get rid of Felicity.  Wanted Oliver to work by himself.  Said everyone else was making things worse and making him soft.

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I sincerely appreciate it, but I wasn't trying to bring the room down.  I'm just bringing in my perspective since there was a new layer added recently.  She had what's called a "missed miscarriage" where the baby is no longer alive, but the body doesn't know it.  When that happens, you essentially get an abortion.  She took pills to take care of what needs to be taken care of so we could get her body back on track.

And let me tell you....it *sucked*.  For me, it was just the mental parts of it.  For her, it was *everything*.  So while I 100% agree that some of the people on the pro-choice side are cavalier about it, I assure you that the reality of the situation is quite horrible.  The day itself was an absolute mess - she was in agony for a couple of hours as everything happened.  Then there were weird things that happened afterward.  The first time she had a period a month or so later was also much more intense and draining then a normal one.

I'm not saying it's any less of a horrible act to happen, but this was a medical procedure to remove an already-deceased, strawberry-sized fetus and it took a toll on her body.  So while actresses might joke that they want to go ahead and have an abortion while it's still legal, I'll tell you that it's not enjoyable for anyone involved.

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I'll throw in my two cents just to do it.  My views don't represent anything.

Three months ago, my wife had a miscarriage.  The baby/zygote/clump of cells/etc was like 10 weeks.  But for a brief time between our first ultrasound and our second, she had a heartbeat.  I say "she" because we'd decided that she was a girl with no reasoning to base that on.  I didn't cry when it happened because I know in my brain that it wasn't really aware of anything and didn't exist long enough to cry over.  I was sad, and she was very sad.  But we'll try again and hopefully have a baby come all the way to term.  But in my heart, every once in a while, I get very sad at the thought that we had a child and she died.  That maybe she was aware and was trying to grow and just couldn't.  That makes me sad.  Is my brain right or is my heart right?  I don't know. 

I tend to land on the same side of the abortion fence as ireactions.  I won't ever have the ability to make a decision on an abortion so I try to stay out of it.  It isn't that I think men don't deserve an opinion, but I feel like my decision has less weight to it because it's not a problem I'd ever have to directly deal with.  It'd be like me having a strong opinion on some sort of military issue for troops in Syria.  I'm not going there, I don't know what it feels like to be there, and I feel like I shouldn't speak.

I do feel like some women feel very powerless, and this is an issue they feel like they have some control over.  "You may control the White House and Congress and the military and the world, but I'll be damned if you control my body."  That's just my thinking - I haven't had anyone confirm that.

I'll leave with an anecdote.

Anecdote - I spoke with a female friend a couple years ago about this topic.  I didn't say much but I did ask this.  If Star Trek-like transporter technology existed that could take an unwanted baby (at any point of development) and transport it safely from the woman's body to some sort of other place (another viable uterus, some sort of incubator, etc), would that solve the problem?  The baby would be safe, the woman would be safe, and everything would be great, right?

She said no.  It'd still be invasive.  It's still the woman's right to end the pregnancy her own way if she wants.  So I think, as much as it's about safety, it's about control. 

But that's just one anecdote.

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Informant wrote:

If they had the option of featuring John more, I could honestly see him on a completely different team than Sam and Dean. Maybe not trying to kill them, but probably trying to stop them... And maybe kill their friends. They live with monsters more than they live with people these days. Even the humans they know aren't of our world. They keep making deals and pushing the line, and while John might not be above those things himself, when it comes to saving his family, I think he would feel a need to correct course if he came back and took it all in. John would not like Castiel. John would not like Rowena. John may warm up to Jack in some ways, but he would always view Jack as a threat.

Yeah.  John is essentially Dean without a Sam, and Sam had to convince Dean to deal with all the monsters they work with.

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ireactions wrote:

I think that the rationale for why John is so gentle in this episode in contrast to Sam and Dean's memories of him as a harsh taskmaster -- he's in shock from seeing his sons over a decade older from how he remembers them last, he's in shock from seeing his wife alive again. John never wanted to be a hunter until Mary died; it was Mary who descends from a legacy of hunters and reluctantly showed John her world, and when Mary is alive, John doesn't feel the call to be a hunter anymore.

It could be that, but I have two alternate explanations:

1. Instead of being plucked out of 2003, John was plucked out of Heaven.  And after spending 13+ years in Heaven, that's what softened him up.  If my interpretation of the final scene is accurate, then he's been hanging out in an idyllic place, softening up.  So he shows back up, things are looking great, and he stays in a Heavenly mood.

2. The pearl didn't bring back the real John Winchester, but an idealized version that had all the good traits of John but few of the bad ones.  The thing Dean's heart wished for the most wasn't the real John but one that would confirm that Dean did a good job and be someone who'd be proud of him.

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On Taking Monsters Public

Yeah, I hadn't really thought about it that way, but I agree that it's probably as public as it is now.  Someone could die and all the evidence could point to "Vampire" and I might not believe it a normal dude in America.  Without seeing it, I won't believe it.  And even if I saw something filmed on a shaky cell phone, I might think it's a student film before I believe it's legitimately a monster.

The only reason I even asked is because Nick is talking to this policeman about the Devil, and Nick literally holds all the cards to prove it.  He knows where the bodies are buried.  He could do this big Miracle on 34th Street - type show about it.  And for half a second, I thought that's where they were going and was briefly intrigued by it.  Then another half-second later, I thought he could flip on Sam and Dean and bring them in.  Because while the system might want Nick, would they be willing to bargain with him to get Sam and Dean?  I probably watch too many cop shows.

On John

I completely agree with all that.  I think, with more time, they could've done some interesting things with John.  What if he tried to assume leadership of the bunker?  Would Sam be okay with that?  Would Dean?  How would he have handled 13 years of season finale decisions?  Heck, how did the last 15 seasons look?  How did they avoid the apocalypse without Castiel or even Castiel knowing who they are?  These are things I doubt anyone thought about.

And one more thing - the last scene.  I read in an interview that it's simply John waking up from what he thinks was a dream in his time.  Which is funny because I read into it differently - I thought John was in Heaven.

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It really did feel fanfic-y.  Like a small little story where the boys get this little moment because that's essentially what happened.  The rest of the story was simply set-up for the story to happen and for it to end so quickly.

I do wonder, if given more time, whether we could've gotten more about John's philosophy vs. the brothers'.  Whether or not the brothers have outgrown their father or not.  All those are interesting questions the show could look at.

I agree with your stance on the supernatural elements going public, but I wonder if, after 15 years, it's no longer believable that any of this would still be a secret.

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Ah, I guess that makes sense.

Recently, it was announced that the Dark Universe was going to make another run at things.  Except, it seems, the plan is to do more low-budget Blumhouse-type productions.  So instead of big-budget action movies, they want to do low-budget horror movies.  It's probably more palatable to the studio and has a decent chance to get off the ground.

The problem with this angle and WB is the success of Wonder Woman (the movie) and the popularity of Jason Mamoa and Margot Robbie.  If not for that, I wouldn't have been surprised to see the DCEU officially end with Justice League and have it start over like Sony did with the Amazing Spider-Man movies.  Maybe even go the same route and do grounded DC movies with no-name actors.  Or follow the Into the Spider-Verse model and do animated movies.

But Wonder Woman was a huge hit, Aquaman was already on track and was successful enough, and people enjoyed Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn enough to make more movies with her.  So even though Affleck is out, Cavill might be right behind him, there's been no traction on a Flash or Cyborg movie, and the Suicide Squad movie is supposed to be a bit of a reboot....they can't entirely dump the universe.

So what you have is a DCEU with Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Harley Quinn, and Shazam?  No Superman, no Flash, no Cyborg.   You will have a Batman, but that one might be a prequel or unrelated.  You will have a Joker, but that movie is confirmed to be unrelated to the DCEU.

Informant's argument has always been "Just make a good movie."  Who cares if it's tied to any other franchise or if it has cool cameos or whatever.  He just wants good movies with these characters.  And I feel like that's what WB is doing.  But, weirdly enough, the successes of the DCEU are keeping WB from being able to completely kill it.  And so the DCEU is shattering into these small islands.  And new, unrelated islands are sprouting up around it.

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Yeah, I get that.  And if WB doesn't have the rights to use Cavill's image without paying him, then I guess they'll have to make it work somehow.

But how do those kind of contracts work?  Does he get a prorated rate (so one hour might still be some ridiculous amount but it would be a percentage of what he'd make in a full movie) or does he get a minimum amount no matter how much of the movie he's in?  I know these guys have to make a living, but how would putting on the Superman costume for an hour for a cameo be any different than putting on the Superman costume for an hour at a children's hospital?  I know one is a bit more personal, but he'd make millions of kids smile (sick or not) if he appeared in a Shazam movie.

Also...there'd be kids there in a classroom scene smile

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I really enjoyed the 300th episode from an emotional standpoint.  I thought it was a really nice moment in the series, and I thought they hit on all the notes they were supposed to.

And I get why they had to have both brothers leave for story reasons, but their dad has been gone for 15 years and both brothers go out for groceries?  It could've been cool if they'd had JDM for more than one episode because this could've been a cool 2-3 episode arc.  Maybe get old John on one last hunt?

There are a lot of nits I could pick about how the timeline worked, but I'm going to leave it be.  The scenes between John and Sam/Dean were good enough for me.

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Potential spoilers for SHAZAM:

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According to a rumor I read online, Superman is going to make a cameo in Shazam but not played by Henry Cavill.  It's just a payoff for a joke, but that would be weird, right?  I'd really like Superman to make a cameo in Shazam because I think it'd be a great interaction for Billy.  I also think it'd legitimize the movie a bit and legitimize him as a hero.  Plus, if they ever did it, Shazam/Superman fights are epic.

But to have him appear as a body double would cheapen it....unless they did it in a funny-enough way that we wouldn't care.

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I haven't loved the Nick storyline, but I do feel like there was a missed opportunity for some cool stuff.  So Nick's official reason that he gave police was that he was possessed by the Devil.  People laugh at him like "ha ha, you're crazy"

But the Devil is real on the show.  Vampires are real.  Werewolves are real.  There's evidence.  It can be proven.

I know the show has been pretty consistent about "no one is ever going to find out that Monsters are real on any sort of big scale."  But is that something the show should really stick to?  Do we think it would kill the show from a narrative perspective if Nick took his case public.  Prove the monsters are real, and prove the Devil is/was real.  Prove it all without a shadow of a doubt.

Would that kill the narrative?  Or would it be interesting to see Sam and Dean fight monsters when people know they're out there?  Maybe even deputized as agents in some sort of official agency/business.  Men of Letters, Inc. or the Supernatural version of the X-Files.

Speaking of that, and tied into the post I just made about Arrow.....are Sam and Dean still officially dead?  If Nick were to try to flip and give up Sam and Dean, who faked their deaths, could that have been a storyline?  That's another thing the show doesn't really want to touch.

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I must've missed something.

When Oliver turned himself in, he took credit for being the Green Arrow *and* the Hood?  And that became public knowledge?  Is Roy still dead according to the public?  And Rene was outed as Wild Dog, but none of the others were unmasked publicly?

I did think the episode was cool, although if they were going to go with the documentary angle, they needed to stick with it.  The fact that it started as a documentary and then went in and out was weird.  Getting back so many people was fun, though.  We even got a Huntress reference.

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TemporalFlux wrote:

In the case of Halston Sage, she was not only given a well done special episode; but her character was left happy, healthy and with the explicit offer by Mercer / McFarlane that her seat was always there if she wanted to come back.  This is kind of a reverse-Arturo. Where the Professor had one of the most horrible exits I’ve seen, Alara was probably given one of the best.  It’s hard for me to believe there’s any bad blood.

That's sort of where I land.  Although what's funny is that, while we talk about how "realistic" the Orville is as a workplace, this seems like a potential way to do more with that and have Alara take a job on another ship.  That's something that happens all the time in the real world, and I think it would make sense.  Now, to be fair, most people leave jobs more more money, and that's obviously not a factor.  But other things could be - promotional opportunities, different experiences, or working with certain people could be reasons why Alara left.  And, that way, she could stay active in the universe while also moving on.

I don't dislike the way they did it.  It was actually a nice little Sci-Fi story, I thought.  But if they simply had someone come and "poach" her for a better opportunity, it might've been a little more "realistic."

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I throw Snyder under the bus a lot, but I know that it's not all his fault.  I also agree that the movies themselves work as they are.  Ben Affleck's Batman might not even have a "no kill" rule.  Maybe he went out after Robin was killed and took revenge on whoever did it - maybe he killed the original Joker or maybe the Joker was just an accomplice to whoever the real killer was.  The only evidence we have is the graffiti in the Batcave (which could've been done afterwards) and the note in Suicide Squad that Harley Quinn was an accomplice.  So maybe the real story was that maybe Bane worked with Joker and Harley to kill Robin, Bane was the real killer, and Joker (along with Harley) was the distraction.  Afterward, Joker graffitied the Robin suit.

The problem with a Batman that kills is the same problem that happens with the Punisher.  If the hero kills, there should be no recurring villains.  Why would Joker still be alive if he killed Robin?  If Batman has no problem killing a hired gun, why would he have any problem killing the guy who hired the gun?  If Batman was willing to kill Superman because there's a chance that he's dangerous, then killing the guy who killed his partner should be done without a second thought.

The problem is that there's not enough evidence in any of these films to connect these dots.  I could ask a hundred questions about Bruce's history, and the movies don't give me enough to work with.  They want me to use existing Batman lore to fill in the gaps, but the existing Batman lore doesn't fit.  The original idea for BvS (where an older Batman has been twisted into trying to kill Superman by years of being Batman) is actually a fascinating take.  We've seen 7 Batman movies previous to that, and this would be a fresh new take. 

It might've even made Justice League a stronger movie.  Where Batman finds that he does need to work with others to be a true hero.  Where he tries to find himself again.  And yet that movies doesn't really touch on that stuff either.  Bruce is simply a nicer, gentler Batman again.  He obviously regrets what he did with Superman, but what about the other stuff?  He kills at least a dozen random Luthor thugs.  Does that bother him?  Does the branding thing bother him?  Or is the only thing he regrets is the Superman stuff?  Maybe that was going to be included, but of all the cut footage we've seen, I don't think there's much (if anything) that is Batman-specific.

At the end of the day, though, you're right.  Zach Snyder made his mark with movies that were almost 100% CGI.  They were movies that appeared to have depth but were, in reality, just excuses to have cool action sequences.  WB got what they paid for.

And they also seemingly got what they wanted.  Even the non-Snyder DCEU films devolve into Snyder-esque CGI messes in the final act.  Wonder Woman (Jenkins), Suicide Squad (Ayer), and Justice League (Whedon) all end with the hero(es) fighting a CGI gray villain in a dark, colorless space surrounded by CGI fire.

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Supernatural renewed for Season 15.

Ten seasons post one of the best series finales ever big_smile

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Supergirl, Flash, Arrow, and Legends of Tomorrow have all been renewed for another season.

So unless they pull off something crazy, I don't think Oliver is dying in the crossover smile

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Ummm....maybe I'm in the minority, but that doesn't sound very good.

(Editorialization - I realized about four paragraphs down that I'm going on a tangent into familiar territory.  Look for my signal for me to get back into my original point if you want to skip it, but I'm going to finish it)

Like I've said, I spent some time looking into everything the Internet has collected on the Zack Snyder version of Justice League.  Since we got a trailer for that movie over a year before it came out (with footage that had to be from Snyder), I think we have a lot more to work with than most movies.  And, honestly, I don't think the movie would've been drastically different if Snyder had finished.  The Darkseid tease might've been cool.  More character (particularly with Cyborg) would've been cool.  More connections to the previous story would've been nice.

But, at the end of the day, I don't think it would've made a difference.  It's like the Ultimate Edition of BvS.  Yes, it was a more coherent story.  But it was a story that I didn't actually like that much.  Even at 3+ hours, I didn't like the characters enough, and there still wasn't enough context for why these characters were acting so much different than versions of the character that I like.  I know this didn't have to be the same versions I grew up with, but I feel like the Snyderverse had issues that just were never going to fly with me.

There can be a version where Batman kills, but in three hours, you have to explain how he got there.  There can be a version of Superman who's not just the Christopher Reeve version, but if he's going to have depth and pathos, you have to also work harder to explain his then-more-complicated connection with the public.

There's a version of the Snyderverse that makes sense to me.  And I don't even think they needed to add more to the run time.  You can tell it in 3 hours, but you have to go through the trouble to do it.  In BvS's case, they probably could've cut out a lot of the Luthor/Doomsday stuff.  Just making it Batman v Superman is enough - I'm not even 100% sure they needed to be manipulated by anyone - Batman's twisted enough as it is.  And I don't really think they needed to team back up to fight someone bigger - if you're going to make it about character, Superman convincing Batman to come back to the light is your climax.

Explain why Batman is so Hell bent on killing Superman - don't make me connect the dots or write fanfiction.  Explain it.  Make that a character moment.  Explain the public's complicated relationship with Superman.  News footage and one protest at the Capitol isn't enough.  Maybe bring in a civilian storyline where the people explain why the love Superman.  Explain that some people are upset about what happened in Metropolis, but show how Superman won them over.  Don't kill Superman in his second movie, and if you do, don't have Batman be the one to bring him back.  And if you do, don't make him make such a 180 degree turn in logic that his neck should've snapped like Zod's.

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Okay, now that that's out of my system.  I don't think that sounds very good.  The heroes make an attack on Darkseid?  They find out how to get there, and they just go?  With the help of the Green Lantern Corps?  Would they even be cool with the Earth heroes being the aggressors like that?  That seems like a very weird plan, and the "go cosmic" angle seems like DC chasing that sweet Guardians of the Galaxy love.

Not only that, it seems to interfere with the original plan.  So the Justice League goes on this attack and then gets beat up and captured on Apokalips?  Okay....does that mean there's no solo movies during that time?  The original plan was to shoot Justice League (a 2 parter) back to back.  Was the new plan to shoot Justice League 2 and 3 (now a 3 parter?) back to back?  I guess they could still make Wonder Woman 2 since that's a prequel, and Aquaman and Shazam could take place between Justice League 1 and 2.  But where would that leave a Flash or Cyborg solo movie?  They'd have to wait for the entire Justice League trilogy to release, or would they need to to also be prequels?  Would a Green Lantern Corps movie (originally set for 2020) have to wait?  Would it be a reaction to Justice League 2 and 3 or a spark for it to happen?

And in Justice League 3, we get the heroes fighting in the Knightmare world?  So they failed?  Would Lois still be the key?  Would they be able to go back and avoid the Knightmare, or would the movie end with Darkseid defeated but the Earth in ruins?  Because that seems like the exact thing that happened in Man of Steel just a million times worse.

Don't get me wrong, they could film some cool action sequences in those movies.  And Snyder makes fun action sequences that sorta make you forget about plot holes and inconsistencies.  But I don't see the Justice League as an invading army.  I don't want to see the Justice League win with the Earth left as some sort of horrorscape.  I think we got the right amount of Knightmare in BvS.  Doing a whole movie in that world seems excessive and would end up doing more harm than good.  It'd be like the end of Fringe - spending one episode in this future world where the Observers took over was cool.  Spending a whole season in that world was weird, and I didn't like it.

If that was where Snyder was going, I'm glad it didn't happen.

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ireactions wrote:

I'm excited for it. All I ask is that we not make Informant watch it.

But....again?  We already did this.  I guess he's Loki now?

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They released a teaser for the new season of Agents of Shield.

https://www.superherohype.com/news/4338 … er-is-here

All I'll say is....SMH.

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Informant wrote:

We should have a Dexter post. Because I think the story of Dexter was the story of a child whose trauma was manipulated and twisted by two adults who wanted to create a "justice" machine. I don't think that Dexter had to become what he was. We can see that he is capable of connecting with and loving other people. Dexter isn't capable of feeling remorse. He's shown that he's capable of considering the safety of others (his son, his step-children, his sister, etc). He's shown that he does care about his work and his family. He can feel empathy (and is often manipulated by people who he sees as being similar to himself, because while he has empathy for them, they don't have empathy for him). He can feel fear. Outside of his killing, Dexter isn't drawn to dangerous, reckless thrills.
Yes, I think Dexter was messed up by his mother's murder. However, rather than try to treat that trauma, Harry and Evelyn fed into the darkness and created the Dark Passenger. If they didn't create it, they certainly didn't try to kill it.

Basically, they saw the traumatized and confused child and decided that he would become the Bay Harbor Butcher. Whether they did this intentionally, or out of wanting to do good, I don't know. I think Harry was probably dealing with his own issues, and Evelyn saw an interesting opportunity. Either way, I don't think that Dexter was born a psychopath and I don't think that he needed to become what he did. I think that a lot of how he saw himself was based on what he'd been taught by others. Even on the show, he's not like the other truly psychopathic killers.

To be fair, I cannot speak all that intelligently about Dexter.  I haven't seen the show since it ended.  I actually wasn't in the group of people who hated the ending - I felt like it was a lot like the ending to the Shield (which people loved).  It isn't the ending I would've gone with, but I didn't think it was the dumpster fire that most people thought it was (and have since made fun of nonstop).

I do think that Harry had his own issues.  Maybe he wanted to be a serial killer, or maybe he got some sick thrill about getting away with it.  He obviously had the idea to kill bad guys that escape the system, and he wanted to use Dexter (instead of himself) because he'd probably be able to escape prosecution if Dexter was ever caught.  The whole show was about how he could've been a better person, and how he is able to become a better person, despite tragedies continuing to befall him.

I don't know if I have enough to say about Dexter to create a new post.  But it's a show I'd be interested in revisiting at some point.  My friend is watching it now, and I'd forgotten that Rita already had kids.

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ireactions wrote:

Having never seen the show, I'll leave you to decide how to see the opinion of a creator who by his own admission was slowly disengaging from the show before it had even aired its first episode.

Hmmm, I don't really know what to say about that.  Dexter came out after The Sopranos but before Breaking Bad, right in the middle of "Shows that had traditional bad guys as the lead" so I could see networks being hesitant about having a remorseless killer as a lead, even if he's generally a nice guy other than that.

I've never read the Dexter books so I'm not 100% sure how much he was "softened" - but I thought the overall arc of the show was about a guy learning how to be a person.  Dexter, at the start, is a guy who feels a bit like Clark Kent.  He feels that the serial killer part of him is the true part of him, but he has to put on an act for the rest of the world.  And to make this act better, he has to find a girlfriend and make friends and all that stuff.  And through the act of faking it, he actually starts to realize that he has a life that he enjoys and wants to protect.

And while he grows as a person, I never really felt like he was being softened too much.  There may be small stretches where he stops killing, but he never truly stops.  He never shows himself to not love the act.  The show is still very much adult and violent and dark, although when I think back on it, I think of more of the comedy than anything morose.  Dexter is a funny guy with a sarcastic inner monologue, fully aware of the irony of parts of his life.

So if the Punisher is Dexter without any of the humor, it might be harder to pull off.  But I always sorta felt like the Netflix Marvel shows were aiming for more of a PG-13 rating than anything R.

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I didn't know that about Frank's darkest secret.

I've never read a Punisher comic, and I'm afraid I'm very unfamiliar with the comic version.  But your description actually coincides with a premise that, not only was on TV for a very long time but was universally accepted by critics until its later seasons - Dexter.  Dexter is a man whose childhood twisted him into a serial killer, but he was raised by a police officer who recognized his tendencies and did his best to train him to 1) get away with it and 2) use his bloodlust for something good.  So, like your description of the Punisher, Dexter uses his training to find people who the criminal justice system couldn't condemn.  Most episodes revolve around Dexter finding a bad guy (rapist, murderer, etc) that gets released from prison.  Dexter does his homework to make sure the guy is guilty, and then he arranges a "murder room" to kill the person, dismember their body, and throw them in the bay.

Dexter is a calmer, less armed version of the Punisher.  But he's still essentially a man "addicted" to murder.  Who cannot control his addiction and so he channels it in a way to do some good.  So it can work, and it has worked.

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Hahaha, I enjoyed that.

If I were to integrate it, I wouldn't even go that far.  I'd just have the entire Orville story be a holodeck program.  I'd combine elements of other stories like Captain Proton or the Doctor's "Emergency Command Hologram" with elements of something like Black Mirror's "USS Callister" - Ed is a low-ranking officer (Ensign might be too low for this - maybe he's a lieutenant) who's in a dead-end job.  Perhaps he made sacrifices for his wife's career, and then she cheated on him.  So now he fantasizes about a world where he actually fulfilled his dreams, his wife's career is below his, and he gets to hang out with his best friend and try to win her back.  The rest of the crew is approximations of real people (either as their current species or converted into Trek species)

In reality, he's too old to be considered for anything more than he is.  He's pretty good at his job, but he's getting passed up for people that are younger and still care enough to try hard enough to get promoted.

And then I'd do a soft reboot.  Kelly, either an admiral or a captain, offers him the chance to either be a first officer (under her) or a captain (where she'll supervise) on a mission of small importance.  He gets to pick the crew, and if it works out, he'll get a real ship.  For fun, let's say that it's post-DS9 and he's getting a similar opportunity from the Orville pilot - the post-war Federation has built too many ships and doesn't have enough good people to fill them.

So he picks his crew (the same ones from the Orville) and even gets to name the ship.  He names it the Orville.  So there'd be a slight change on who's in charge, but since the Orville stories are still "real" to Ed, they'd still have impact on us, the audience.

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ireactions wrote:

How do you feel about this plot point now as addressed by Michael?

It makes some sense.  It does feel sorta Chuck-like of him to let them try it their way, but I also sorta agree with Informant that, eventually, he'd step in and try to get things back on whatever version of track he believes in.

I guess I can answer that question with another question - is there only one Chuck?  If so, I think I completely understand where Michael is coming from.  Every alternate world is Chuck trying something else.  In our world, he protects Sam and Dean, and they saved the day.  In Michael's world, he wins and gets to do things his way.  In that case, Lucifer has a world where he won, there's probably a world where they destroyed each other, there's one where Gabriel saves the day, or Raphael, or maybe other scenarios.  Other endings.  He's a writer, and he's experimenting with different ways his story can end.

In that case, Michael sorta has a point.  Because we're cool writing fanfics where Maggie dies a heroic (and in some cases, very non-heroic) death, but none of us want Kari Wuhrer to actually die or suffer.  When Chuck writes something, living creatures die and suffer.  Free will or not, that's messed up.

It's like the plot of Cabin in the Woods or movies like that.  Michael feels like he's doing something he's supposed to do and living a normal life, but he's actually the part of some diabolical scheme.  He could easily be the hero of a story we're sympathetic with.  Instead of being Truman Burbank and giving Christof the metaphorical finger, he goes on a 3rd act rampage and gets his pound of flesh for messing with his life.

If there's one Chuck, I think it says a lot about the show as a whole.  It might also explain where Chuck keeps going.  He's got a lot of pots boiling, and he's really only able to deal with one at a time.

I think it's a satisfactory answer.

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Funny thing, I actually thought that when I read it smile  You never cease to amaze.

Congratulations!

And I'd like to also congratulate you all for being the only people on opposite sides of this debate (in the world) to acknowledge your own faults and the faults of the side you are on.  This whole government shutdown is full of lauded villains, and as soon as I find a hero, I'll let everyone know.

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I think Arrow is still fine.  They're actually re-introducing the Suicide Squad under a different name which could be interesting (but if they're going to do that....why not get Oliver out that way?).  I think the idea of Oliver as a police-sanctioned vigilante is interesting.

The flash-forwards are still weird, but I don't hate the side characters as much as you.  I'm still betting on Earth 2, but I'm sticking with that theory because I don't really think it makes any sense for these flash-forwards to be canon for Earth 1.

But to answer your question, yes.  The principle story in Supergirl this year is that "alien immigration" is a huge topic in the US, and a large segment of the population (not sure if it's the majority or a vocal minority - I'm sure it's been said) is against her.  The DEO has been taken over by anti-alien members of the government, and Supergirl has been working on her own.

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That'd be them stealing a storyline from Supergirl wink

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Yeah, that's not a terrible idea.  I also wouldn't mind a situation where Team Flash either doesn't fight or doesn't find out about the Big Bad until the end of the season.  Maybe a situation where the Big Bad has a handful of lieutenants (mini-bosses) that the team has to fight and take down throughout the season and then the big fight is only one fight and it's in the finale.

It reminds me of Jessica Jones.  Killgrave was a great villain, but there were a handful of times in the season when he should've been captured.  And the only reason he wasn't was random chance or massive stupidity on the part of the heroes.  Cicada is an interesting villain, but there's no reason why he shouldn't have been captured by now.  It's insane levels of incompetence that has allowed him to still be out there.

I find myself re-writing stories where I don't feel there is enough meat.  If it were me, I'd do it differently.

Cicada was an elite soldier or assassin.  It's the same backstory where he ends up with this kid and then he grows to love her and then she's horribly injured.  Makes sense.  So now he's Cicada, and he's killing metas.  He has the dagger to even the playing field, and because he's this elite fighter, no one stands a chance against him.  Early in the season, they fight him, and he kicks all their butts.  "Kills" Cisco, cripples XS, whatever.  So they reach out to Oliver for help, but he's in prison.  So Oliver sends someone - say Thea or Roy or someone that Oliver has trained.  And so that person is the guest star for the season, and he/she starts training Team Flash on how to fight in a "fair" fight.  So now you have Barry, who's always gotten by with his super speed, getting Oliver-level training.  So they train harder.  If you want to up the stakes, maybe Cicada goes toe to toe with Oliver's trainer, and Cicada comes out on top.

It would force Barry and the team to face the idea that, without their powers, they're essentially helpless.  Maybe instead of the dagger being an actual dagger, maybe it's embedded in his body so there's no way to "get the dagger away from him?" so there's not that little trick that Team Flash can do but fail at five times.  There's no "the one guy you never caught" or anything like that - if this is all about Thawne using a different guy to be Cicada, that's fine.  Just have Cicada be this dumb villain that Nora barely remembers.  He was a joke, not unlike any of the hundred villains Barry takes out week to week.  The fact that he's this badass now is the scary part.

That's how I'd approach it.

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ireactions wrote:

I also really like how the ORVILLE characters are balanced: they are not the perfect action figures of TNG, but they are also not the angst-machines of RIVERDALE or the incompetents on HEROES -- there's a very careful mix of personality traits, so they come off as normal people. Mercer's furious about Kelly's infidelity, but he's also capable of being civil. Gordon is dim-witted and a drinker, but not uniformly incompetent, just at times unreliable. That balance to avoid both extremity and blandness is very difficult and it's a credit to MacFarlane's writing and the actors that they can pull it off.

This is really what makes it work, in my opinion.  I really liked your comparison to Brooklyn Nine-Nine because I actually think that's really spot on.  I actually had a lot of concerns about that show as I did with the Orville - while I like Andy Samburg more than most, I was worried that he'd be too over the top for the show to work.  And while there's a certain amount of that, I feel like the show took Jake's character seriously enough for it to work.  Jake is a buffoon, and he's a jokester and a prankster.  But, at the same time, he's a great detective, and he knows when to turn off the goofiness and get to work.  The other detectives have their quirks, but they do a great job of showing that the team is capable and dedicated to protecting and serving.

The Orville is the same way.  Ed and Gordon are jokesters, but Ed has shown himself to be a great captain with a wonderful care for his crew.  He's been willing to sacrifice his life for his crew, and he takes great pain to make the right decision.  Gordon seems to be a drunk and a goof, but he's also been shown to be an elite pilot who cares about his job.  That way, the characters themselves are allowed to be funny in calm times, but the show can have real action sequences where you trust that the ship and the crew are competent.

That way, you're thinking in the back of your head why the Nine-Nine still have jobs or why the Orville hasn't been destroyed.  They're great teams that allow themselves the occasional appropriate amount of humor.

Just like real life.

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I wrote that during the episode.  When I finished it, I still have a lot of problems with Cicada as a bad guy.  He's essentially worthless without the dagger.  So I don't understand why Barry doesn't just speed him to the Pipeline whenever he has the opportunity.  If you really want to beat him up, you can do it there.  Or if it'd cut through the Pipeline, run him to the other side of the Earth - the dagger only moves about 20 miles an hour - he'd have plenty of time to beat up / interrogate Cicada before the dagger gets anywhere near him.

Or just run to Earth 2.  Or any other Earth - the dagger can't follow him there.

And I still don't understand why Oliver can't beat him.  He's literally just a guy, and Barry was able to keep up with him for a while without his powers.  Oliver should be able to crush him, and his dagger won't do any good (no more than a regular sword).  Granted, Nora was the one who told him that Oliver failed, and they just listened to her.  So maybe Oliver absolutely could, and she lied because defeating him too early would mess with her plan.

I don't know, I just have a lot of problems with him as a villain.  I think he's an interesting-enough character with believable motivations, but I don't see any reason why he's any harder to defeat than any other Meta of the week.

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Team Flash had Cicada cornered and they swapped out Killer Frost, their only weapon, for Caitlin, who ran up to the stabbed woman to say "we need to get her to a hospital."

Ralph could've done that....