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Well one thing that Marvel does better than DC (and "better" is subjective) is hype.  Marvel builds hype to the next movie, to the next trailer, to the next *title*.  They have sold-out halls to announce future titles, and they have the internet going insane over speculation on what the next Avengers movie will even be titled.  They do fun little videos with the characters, and they're setting up to do more TV-style projects with some of the lesser Avengers.  Yes, it's corporate, and yes, it's ultimately pointless.  But everything Marvel does is streamlined, and I think that's to their benefit.

At DC, it just seems more like the Wild West.  Some movies are in-continuity, some aren't.  Some have stars attached but no script.  Some have a script but no cast and no director.  You've got Superman and Batman in various stages of being involved and not being involved that seems to change by the day. 

And as far as hype goes, I don't think it's consistent enough.  With Justice League, you had a trailer well over a year before the movie came out, a huge space, and then the hype got bigger.  Aquaman was radio silent for a really long time, then a big rush for the trailer, then radio silence again.  It's a movie that I really want to see, but I constantly forget that it's coming.  Same with Shazam.

It sorta goes the same thing with their streaming services.  DC has a DC-only streaming service, and they came out with a Teen Titans show.  Marvel is going to have a Loki show and a Scarlet Witch show and a Bucky/Falcon show and a Hawkeye show.  All things that are definitely in-universe and driving people towards the streaming service.  You can argue for or against their way of doing things, but it all has a singular goal and it generates profit.

DC could've done any one of their couple dozen works and made it for their streaming service.  Do Batgirl there.  Or Nightwing.  Can't get a Flash or Cyborg movie going?  Do a show.  Or Supergirl.  If it interferes with the Arrowverse, either don't worry about it or pull the plug on it.  There's a million different heroes that they could introduce on a show and cycle in and out of movies.  But all they did was Titans.

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The Nora stuff is sorta driving me nuts.  She's a fairly interesting character, but understanding her timeline is a bit of a fake-out since we know it'll be erased at some point.  The future where Barry is gone forever is probably not happening.

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Informant wrote:

I have always kind of imagined Gotham as taking place on Earth 2 though.

It'd have to be a prequel to Earth 2 because Barry has Bruce on speed dial in the present.

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The shows have made more references to Gotham City and a couple indirect references to an Earth-1 Batman.  I hope that, at some point down the line, they let Batman on the show.

Although if they don't, I like thinking about an Arrowverse Bruce Wayne who is either too focused on Gotham to worry about reaching out to the other, more-well-known heroes, or someone who just doesn't have any interest at all in reaching out.

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https://www.superherohype.com/news/4273 … ver-teaser
https://www.superherohype.com/news/4274 … ver-teaser

Spoilers for the crossover if anyone cares (and I don't think anyone does).

So that's a little disappointing.  I was hoping that we'd be fully immersed in a "what if?" scenario where Barry grew up and became the Green Arrow and Oliver got the Flash powers.  I was looking forward to a fun-loving Stephen Amell and a dark and brooding Grant Gustin.

Instead, it seems like it's a body switching movie.  Which is going to be fun for a couple minutes and then (potentially) a big mess.  The crossover has been fun every year so I'm still looking forward to it, but this is not the way that I would've gone with it.

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RIP Stan Lee sad

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https://www.superherohype.com/tv/427161 … rek-series

Discovery is....fine.  Michelle Yeoh and her character are fairly interesting.  But, to me, Discovery's best asset is it's ability to bring me a spinoff that takes place after Voyager.  If all we're going to get are more pre-TOS stuff, it's going to get old quick.

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I will never stop being fascinated by ireactions' ability to see so much beauty in something like Ray Palmer.  But that's a really interesting story, and it makes a whole lot of sense.  What podcast did you get all this from?

Also, what is grass-fed butter?

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https://tvline.com/2018/11/07/the-4400- … es-the-cw/

I really liked the 4400.  Not sure it would've made sense to do a sequel series, but I'm interested in a reboot.

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Well, I'm just saying that Legends could be used as a vehicle to showcase her more.  Then return her to Arrow as a hero.

Although I love that the writers of Arrow think that Laurel, with zero experience, could simply work really hard and be a competent district attorney.  I know most of these writers don't understand how 95% of jobs out there work, but she doesn't have any knowledge of the law.  She'd have to work day and night for years to get where she is.  It might've been a stretch for *original* Laurel to get that job.

Oh and I have a theory about the flash forwards - they're taking place in Earth 2.

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The characterization on Legends has always weirded me out.  As Informant has ranted about before, I don't think there's a huge connection between Sara on Arrow and Sara on Legends.  And with Ray, he does seem to be super awkward most of the time.  He's arguably the biggest actor on the show (he did play *Superman* in a movie), and yet I don't know if the show uses him that often.  I was surprised that they even had him in the Atom suit a couple episodes ago.

Legends could/should be a show where under-utilized characters on the other shows get a chance to stretch their wings.  It's why Wally on the team made so much sense.  It's why it might be a good place for Guardian or someone like Curtis or Black Siren or Killer Frost or Elongated Man.

But if they're just going to take characters that exist and make them into something wholly different from what they were on the show they came from, they might be better off creating their own characters (which is what, for the most part, they've done since season 1).

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Is Nora from that far out?  I guess, like ireactions, I'm confused on what Nora's age is.

Did Team Flash say that Oliver couldn't help, or that future Oliver did face him and didn't win?  I remember the latter but not the former.

(I watch a lot of these shows while I'm on my phone big_smile)

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I'm honestly a little shocked that doesn't seem to be much, if any, conversations between the writing staffs.  Based on their twitter presence, it seems like the shows get along.  But there are many, many times when these shows don't seem to be connected.

I understand not sacrificing quality in terms of a "shared universe", and I understand that's something that these shows have to tread carefully.  This is 80-something episodes a year, and it's a much more daunting task than something like the MCU or the DCEU.  But you're right, there are weird re-treading that the writers have done.  There's also been a distinct drop in the number of overlaps on the show.  I get that they use a lot of resources to do the crossover, and that they want that to feel special.  So if Cisco visited Team Arrow a couple times a season, it wouldn't feel as special when he gets to interact in the crossover.

I always liked those little mini-crossovers, though.  When Diggle would show up on Flash because they needed help from Argus, it was cool.  And I loved Diggle's wonder at what Barry can do.  I get that having Barry makes Team Arrow's job seem a bit redundant, but it boggles my mind that Barry doesn't help more when Oliver is out of commission.  Or Wally.  Or even someone like Cisco or Ralph.

There didn't seem to be many ripples for Team Flash when Oliver was arrested.  I guess the FBI is cool with vigilantes as long as they don't kill?

I get that they want their shows to be their shows.  And maybe its a coincidence that both Barry and Oliver have been to jail.  And that they have future kids interacting on the show.  But it might just be both shows running out of steam at the same time.

We have both of their adult children from the future (and I have to think that if grown William doesn't have some relevance to the current story, it's a HUGE waste of air time).

I don't think flash forwards are a waste of time.  If a decision that Oliver and Felicity makes in the present affects the future, it's cool to see the ripple effects of that.  It could even hypothetically impact what's happening on Flash, since William's story is taking place pretty close to Nora's time, I think?

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Speaking of Arrow, the Level 2 stuff could get pretty interesting.  I like that they've had some early season bad guys in prison so far.  I'm hoping to see some bigger names and badder bad guys on Level 2 (and maybe Level 3?).  I'm still hoping for a Supermax situation, especially if they can't do the Suicide Squad.

Although ireactions might know - apparently Lyla disbanded Task Force X when she took over for Amanda Waller?  It's in some comic?  I saw a passing reference to that online.

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I agree that I'd like to see more nuance in the alien side.  Like I said earlier, maybe they could explain that there's some sort of disaster happening in the galaxy that is driving people to Earth.  Maybe they could say that Darkseid is terrorizing the galaxy, and people are fleeing to Earth because it's the home of Superman, the only person who's ever defeated Darkseid.  With the way they're treating Superman, they could easily have Darkseid be someone that Superman exclusively deals with, and it doesn't have to even affect the show.

They could show that some aliens are either weaker on Earth than they were on their home planets (reverse Kryptonian effects), but they still feel like their lives are better here (mirroring immigrants living in poverty to avoid troubles in their home countries).  Or maybe show that a lot of aliens are voluntarily weakening themselves to human-like levels so that they don't seem like a threat.  If they showed something that displayed that aliens realize that humans would be afraid of them, and are actively trying to make that better, that'd make more narrative sense.  And if they showed that a lot of aliens are facing greater troubles than just harassment, then it might make parallels work better.

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Fair enough smile

And good to know that it wasn't something more serious for Jesse L. Martin.  He seems like a genuinely good dude.

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Yeah, I even thought the way they had him break down was interesting.  An alien doesn't take his job, which would've been the easy way.  An alien doesn't kill his dad, which would've been even easier.  It isn't even collateral damage.  Aliens come to the country and bring Nth metal.  His dad both refuses and is unable to change and adapt.  Yes, their house is destroyed in a collateral damage fire, but they talk about stuff like insurance companies refusing to cover his losses.  Whole towns being supported by a single industry.  When people are hurt by an alien, it's an accident.

I thought it was very well done.  Info, if you have time, I'd check it out.  There's very little Supergirl in it smile

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Well, to be fair, they aren't really diving into it head on.  This isn't the West Wing....they aren't having deep and meaningful conversations about anything.  The bad guys are portrayed as bad guys and Supergirl is simply trying to be (and is portrayed as) the voice of reason.

I think you're right, and I think there would need to be some sort of conversation in that real world.  At the same time, I don't think this is the show that such a conversation even belongs in.  So I think even the surface that they're scratching is partially unnecessary.

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That all being said, I'm with ireactions.  I had a really strong emotional reaction to the episode.  I think most Arrowverse shows would've tried to tell a normal, present-day story where they threw in some quick flashbacks to tell Ben's backstory.  But they actually committed to 95% of the story focusing on a guy who's unraveling.  He's not shown as a bad person who was always bad.  Even by the end, he's not even a cackling bad guy.  He's a guy who has a great understanding for how history has worked in the past, and he sees the forces of history working against him.

I don't really have a ton to add to ireactions' well-written piece.  I thought Witwer was fantastic, and I thought his transformation was genuine and realistic.  I really enjoyed how they had subtle clues to the changing times.  I thought it was a little too convenient that Supergirl and J'onn happened to show up at all these key times, but it was another sort of Arrowverse first...portraying how it would feel for a regular human to be a witness to these incredible beings doing incredible things.  When Supergirl swooshes in, it was done in a sort of disorienting way.  She comes off almost cold because she doesn't have all the facts.

I also thought they incorporated old footage pretty well, taking us on a tour through the show.  All the storylines kind of meld together in my head, and they did a good job of sorta pointing out exactly what danger the Lockwoods were facing at which time.

After doing a surface scratch and after showing this debate from a very one-dimensional approach, I was astounded at how they were able to make Ben such a relateable and fascinating character.  Color me impressed.

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There are not main characters that have those beliefs.  But, at the same time, most of the main characters know Kara and J'onn, and it'd be a bit weird to have them be anti-alien (even in a reasoned way).

There are not minor characters that are represented that way because I don't think that'd be all that compelling.  It's the same reason there aren't a ton of moderates on talking head shows.

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Assuming this is the prime guy responsible, I think law enforcement all around was excellent this week.  No bombs went off and the guy was captured quickly.

(I'm assuming this guy was a total whack job who made things really easy on the investigators, but still, I'd like to congratulate them on ending this pretty quickly with no collateral damage)

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Grizzlor wrote:

Robert DeNiro and John Brennan had nothing to do with Hillary v. Bernie.

To be fair, I didn't know about the DeNiro one and had only read that one was sent to CNN.  So at the time I posted, it was Soros, the Clintons, Wasserman-Schultz, Obama, and CNN.  All of who have some ties to Hillary versus Bernie.

But, yes, others have shown up that have nothing to do with it.

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Yeah, I dunno.  It's during an election so I could see it being any number of factions.  My first thought was that it was a lot of people who helped Hillary Clinton beat Bernie, and that it could just as easily be a Bernie fanatic than a Republican fanatic.

I'm guessing it was a sloppy job, and once they confirmed the first one, it was relatively easy for the secret service to weed out the others.

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I don't love the new Flash suit, but it doesn't bother me that much.  I do think Stephen Amell looks REALLY weird in that costume, though.  I figured he'd look big and bulky in it, but he just looks awkward.  And Barry looks really tiny in the Green Arrow costume.  That Elseworlds crossover is going to be something, though.  There's a lot of really weird stuff going on, and I have no idea how it's all going to tie together.

Side note : ANOTHER episode where Joe isn't standing up.  He doesn't look or sound as sickly as some people think, but I'm hardly an expert on that.  I feel like he must've had surgery on his leg or back, maybe?  I feel like if it were a stroke, we'd have heard something.  I also feel like if it was something life threatening, they would let him rest instead of having him shoot.  It's a bizarre thing, though.

Turns out, in the flash forward, that William is gay.  Doesn't bother me one bit, but I think it's funny that it seems like about 40% of the Arrowverse seems to be LGBT.  Not a criticism, just a fun fact smile

I've enjoyed Flash and Arrow this season.  I think Cicada is a really interesting villain, and I think putting Oliver in jail has been good on the flow of the story.  I do wonder what Felicity's plan is - Oliver wasn't framed.  Even if they get Diaz, Oliver will be in jail.  I'd actually really love for him to get out of prison because of the Suicide Squad.  I don't know if they're able to use that anymore, but outside of using the Supermax idea, putting Oliver on the Suicide Squad makes way too much sense for them not to do it.

I thought Legends was fun.  Constantine on the team should be good, but I still feel like that team needs to be shaken up more.  If not the cast (put James Olsen on the team! Or Caitlin!  Or Cisco!  Or Wells!  Someone from Team Flash) then the concept.  I know they're mixing it up this year with magic, but nothing about the show demands that they do time travel.  If they're staying in 2018 but fighting magical beings, it could still be the same, fun show.

Back to Flash - when it seemed like Cisco was maybe dead, I was sorta relieved.  I like Cisco the character and he's one of the ones I'd like to die least, but I was looking forward to a shakeup on the team.  I think a natural person to leave would be Caitlin, who doesn't seem to have much of a role on the team itself.  Using Cavanaugh to play Sherloque makes more sense than some of his doubles, but I'd actually like to see Caitlin go (if you don't want to kill her, put her on the Legends) and have Wells play a medical doctor Wells.  That's supposed to be Caitlin's role and it really isn't very often.

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Is there an in-universe reason why Earth has become such a hotbed for alien immigration?  Is there similar levels of alien immigration on Earth-1 and it's just not an issue?  Because I feel like this would be a better topic if, like Supergirl, these aliens had nowhere else to go.  Earth is already overpopulated by humans, and it seems weird that aliens would rush here just to be persecuted.

The political stuff doesn't really bother me because it's such a lazy "a special episode" form of it.  It's only when the show takes itself too seriously (like with the gun episode last season) that it starts to bother me.  I understand that these writers feel some sort of obligation to speak out in a post-Trump world, but I think they'd get the same message across by simply showing the good guys being kind to everyone as opposed to writing these big monologues where people say we have to be nice to each other.

There's the new transgender character and she talks about standing up to bullies and how important it is for her to be accepted.  I think they could simply write her as being accepted, and it'd have the same effect, I'd think.

They should write the world the way they think it should be, and kids watching it should 1) notice the differences and strive to make the world more like the world they're seeing or 2) simply live the way their heroes live.  I don't think cramming a message down people's throats with big, emotional monologues drives the point home any further.

I was also a little uncomfortable with some of the media ethics in the episode, just because I sorta agreed with James' stance from the first part of the episode.  I think the world needs *fewer* editorials, especially since we have entire publications that are seemingly *all* editorial.

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Yeah, I was convinced a week ago that they were going to move all the shows to the streaming service.  Now I believe they're dead.

I think your idea for a Marvel Netflix finale would be great, but I agree that none of it's going to happen.  I just wish they'd given the shows more advanced knowledge, to either wrap it up with the individual shows or with a second/final season of the Defenders.  I know several of the seasons have underperformed, but I really enjoy the universe and wish it can have a resolution.

That being said, I think I agree that Luke Cage's finale works.  I think Iron Fist's finale is open ended but not necessarily a cliffhanger.  I think it could work.  So if we never get resolution, I wouldn't be devastated.

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Update to my last post -

They actually referenced the absurdity of the plan in the episode, blaming it on fascist megalomania.  They also made it fairly clear the plan wouldn't really work even if they wanted it to.

So props to them on that.

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I'm watching Man in the High Castle on Amazon Prime.  I loved the book, and I think the show is just okay.  Spoilers for Season 3 if you're watching it too.

But the book dealt with parallel universes.  Not just in the fact that it took place in one but characters in the book were capable of traveling from their world to one where the Nazis lost the war.  The show expands on this quite a bit with more "travelers".  But season 3 moves to the idea that the Nazis want to conquer other worlds.

My problem with this is my problem with the Kromaggs.  Even if the Nazis could build a machine to travel between worlds, and even if they had the complete element of surprise...how do you even go about conquering an entire planet?  The Nazis won World War II with the help of the Japanese.  In the show, they're potentially going to be in a fight with the Japanese.

I don't know how they have the manpower to think they can take over an entire world *and* fight a war at home.  I think it's an idea that sounds scary on paper, but it's something that would be almost impossible to pull off...even once.  Let alone "the Nazis conquer the multiverse"

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Well there's the thought that Disney might want them all back for the streaming service, but there's also a thought that Disney might not want anything old or tarnished on the streaming service.  I think the Netflix shows might be successful in their own right, but Disney might want to lead more with a Loki show or a Scarlet Witch show.  Something more tied to the MCU.

If that's the case, it's kinda sorry on Marvel's part.  If the Netflix shows being cancelled are being cancelled, I think we'd need a Defenders season 2 to wrap stuff up and give the Marvel Netflix - averse a conclusion.  If it ends like it ends now, I'd be very disappointed.

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ireactions wrote:

Season 3 had some fun with this where Barry got upset at having to share the lab with Draco Malfoy. Season 3 also had some fun with STAR Labs trying to earn money with the Flash Museum. Money hasn ever made sense on THE FLASH.

It doesn't make sense on any of the shows.  Legends, I suppose, doesn't matter because they're on such a technologically advanced ship that it might as well be magic.  Like Star Trek, the ship provides them all their basic needs.

Supergirl avoids most of the problems because the characters are always employed.  Kara has always had a job at CatCo.  Same with Alex, Winn, James, etc.  I do wonder how J'onn will be able to fend for himself when he quit the DEO, but I could also see him saving pretty much every non-essential dollar he had so he might be okay for a brief hiatus.

Arrow is the weirdest one for me.  Oliver had a ton of money so the first part of the series doesn't worry about money.  Then the Queens all die and Thea has to depend on Malcolm to survive.  But Oliver didn't have a job or any way of pulling in money for a while.  For some of it, he was depending on Felicity....who, as CEO (as unlikely as that is) would have virtually unlimited pay.  But then she was fired and neither of them had a job.  Again, maybe Felicity had a golden parachute, but they don't really make any attempt to understand where Oliver gets any money until he becomes mayor.

What's crazy is that, while Flash plays it hard and fast with money with all its characters, Arrow doesn't.  Rene struggles with money and lives in an apartment in a bad part of town.  Roy was always struggling with money.  Poor people exist in the series and some of them are prominent, but the protagonist just seems to have money whenever he needs it.

I do think a lot of these shows get by with the help of random millionaires/billionaires.  Smallville had Lex and Oliver and Tess.  Arrow had the Queens and Ray and Felicity.  Flash had Wells.  Supergirl has Lena and Cat.  People who, when times get tough, can pay for random things and write it off as a symbol of friendship.

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I hadn't noticed, but you're right.  Doing a lazy check on twitter, a lot of people are concerned, but no one seems to know anything.

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I mean they've done stuff like this in the comics before.  What if Superman was raised by the Waynes?  What if Bruce Wayne was a Green Lantern?  That's the kind of Elseworlds stuff that is fun to play around with.

It can be a fun little story where it's not bogged down by continuity, and the actors/fans can have a little fun with something different.

I was actually pretty psyched to see that poster.  I think it'll be cool.

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I didn't read your Arrow opinions so maybe that's what it's about.....but isn't this exactly what you're looking for?  Something completely out of continuity where they could do fun stuff with it without bending the plot?

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Yeah but if you're going to pick a series, wouldn't it be the one about the bad guys?  They aren't giving him Superman or even something like Shazam.  We're talking about a franchise where one of the leads has killed tons of children...

I still think his vision fits.  If he's a criminal, he shouldn't direct it.  If he's just making jokes, I think he can make a great Suicide Squad movie.

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Informant wrote:

If Disney does pick up the show, I hope they allow crossovers with the other shows still. With Danny making a big deal of Matt's death in season 2 of Iron Fist, it seems like those two should probably interact again at some point.

If they're moving Iron Fist to the streaming service, I'm guessing they'd eventually move all of them.  That's what I sorta meant.  Daredevil is just releasing season 3.  Jessica Jones is filming season 3 now.  Punisher season 2 is in pre-production.  Depending on whether or not Luke Cage was renewed for season 3 before or after the streaming service was official and in business, Iron Fist might've been the first show that they could've made the renew/cancel decision for.

If that's the plan, I'd expect to get a cancellation notice for Daredevil in the next couple months.  If it gets renewed, maybe they're just moving away from Danny and Colleen.

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Oh wow.  That's terrible.  Like I said, I think Iron Fist Season 2 might've been the 3rd or 4th best season on Netflix.  It was shorter and cleaner with a strong villain and well-defined characters.  I definitely would've rather cancelled Jessica Jones or Luke Cage, which is sorta shocking after how Iron Fist started.

But you're right - this might've been the first show they could slot on the Disney Streaming Service because maybe they'd renewed the other shows before this started.  One story I saw said that Disney wanted to renew it so there's a good chance that's what happens.  Would love to get confirmation of that soon, though.

I also wouldn't mind if they did Heroes for Hire.  Danny/Luke/Misty/Colleen would be solid.

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I watched Solo: A Star Wars movie.

That sure was a movie that I watched.

(that's my entire review)

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Informant wrote:

I was thinking about the crossovers, and I decided that it'd be cool to see a crossover event that takes place entirely in another universe. They could have a world where Kara is Power Girl, Oliver and Laurel are a couple, and stuff like that. More like what the comic book fans would recognize, and without the need to come up with a reason for them to bring everyone together. I think that'd be fun.

There's a really good chance at least some of this happens, based on what I've read so far.

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It's possible that Gunn wasn't the main reason why Guardians 1 was great.  I don't know.  I just feel like a quirky, edgier ensemble film is the right place for him at DC.  If it sucks, it's not a key cog in the DCEU.

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Informant wrote:

The question is, are they just looking for him to write a Guardians movie and swap out the names? Because while the movies had some similarities, they weren't exactly the same type of movies.

Well, it could be argued that Suicide Squad could be more up Gunn's alley than Guardians ever was.  Gunn, obviously, has an affinity for more violent, adult content than he ever got to play around with at Marvel.  Letting him play around in a sandbox with a bunch of charismatic criminals might actually be something perfectly suited for him.

As for why they're pursuing him, I think he's obviously got some talent.  Is he a pedophile...I really can't say.  All I can say is that he seems like a decent guy from his social media, and if he didn't do anything legally wrong and if he's sorry for being immature...then I'm willing to give him another chance.  And if he got Suicide Squad, it'd be another in the line of strong directors bringing a unique voice to DC movies.  I'd be pretty psyched to see what he can do with it.

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I mean, again, putting aside whatever happened in Gunn's personal life, if DC is going to hire him (and it was widely reported that they want to), I think Suicide Squad is the franchise to give him.  It's a quirky, sorta off to the side, group of misfit characters in a distorted/zany universe of its own.  Guardians worked with a nice ensemble cast of characters, and I think Gunn could do the same with the Suicide Squad cast (which, if anything, was well cast).

It'd be better than giving him something like Flashpoint, Cyborg, New Gods, etc.

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James Gunn might be the guy to write and direct the new Suicide Squad movie.

His personal life aside, I think that might be a fantastic match for him, content-wise.

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I finished Iron Fist Season 2, and I agree with ireactions' assessment of the whole thing.  It, sorta, spoiled the way that the season ended up going, but I thought it was a really fun season.  I think it's easily the best season in a while and ranks up with Daredevil season 1 and Jessica Jones season 1 as one of the better Netflix Marvel seasons.  It's incredible the way they made all the boring characters into people I was interested in watching and following.

And while I don't understand the ending, I liked it.  Looking forward to more Danny and Colleen.

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Man, I don't know why the GOP is willing to die on the Brett Kavanaugh hill.

Even if he's 100% innocent of all charges, I thought his hearing was awful.  He's unlikable, and his temperament doesn't belong anywhere near the Supreme Court.  I don't know how this guy was chosen.

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I've been considering getting into comic books, but the whole thing just seems so daunting.  Even with things like DC Universe and Comixology, tracking which stories go where and which issues of other runs I have to read to follow major storylines just seems like too much.

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Damn, I looked it up, and that's still six years away.  They probably should've picked a closer date.  I'm not sure any of the shows will be on the air in 2024.

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This years Crossover title will be "Elseworlds" - so this could be an out-of-continuity story so that they don't have to worry about in-series continuity.  They could also have, perhaps, a dead Batman without having to commit one way or another to Batman on Earth 1.

https://tvline.com/2018/09/26/arrowvers … an-gotham/

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Well, I wonder if WB could've used a successful tactic from the days of old and done serials of sorts.  What if, instead of two $300 million movies, they did 12 $50 million movies?  Hire young actors/actresses and lock them into 10+ movie contracts, and do stories that don't require a bunch of special effects.  Every month, release a movie.  A Batman noir detective story.  The origin of Barry Allen.  A grounded Wonder Woman story.  Green Arrow.  Every movie is about 90 minutes, and if you want, do a 10-15 minute mini-movie about someone like the Question or Blue Beetle or someone like that.

Maybe after the first year, they start bumping into each other.  Batman meets Flash.  Cyborg meets Wonder Woman.  And then you start seeing some blue woosh every once in a while.  Characters start talking about an invulnerable man with incredible strength.  Maybe Barry sees a man running pretty fast - maybe as fast as he is.  Maybe you get a Supergirl movie where Kara is trying to understand what's happened to her and looking for her cousin.

Then you do one big budget film as Superman shows up, steps out of the shadows, and the Justice League rises to face some big villain.

So it's the ireactions idea - small-screen stories bumped up for the big screen, told like they were on television on a budget that's fairly easy to get back.  Probably too much to coordinate but I think you'd just need to run it like the Arrowverse is run and churn everything out as best as you can.

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Apparently Thomas Wayne is going to be in it so it'll definitely have connections to DC.  I think it could actually be one of the "better" DC movies because it's so simply its own thing, and it won't have to worry about franchises or anything like that.

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Well, this doesn't sound very good.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/42206 … e#/slide/1

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Joker.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/42199 … ker-makeup

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Daredevil Season 3 is going to come out October 19.  That means, in a 12-month period, all five Netflix shows will have released a season.  Pretty cool.

I've liked the first half of Iron Fist season 2.  It's a lot more fun.  I'd actually like to see a Heroes For Hire series with Luke Cage and Danny, but I don't know if that's possible with the ending of Luke Cage (not even knowing how Iron Fist ends).  I'd rather have that show than a third season of either show separately.

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What did Johns want for Green Lantern?

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See, I really don't think anything nefarious is going on.  It could be nothing more than an adjustment to the way an industry like Hollywood releases news.  If WB is, in fact, leaking stuff to negotiate in the media, then there used to be a very simple way that this was done - they'd tell a reporter at variety or whatever and it'd get released as a rumor through an outlet or two.

Now any of us could have a web site or a twitter, and it wouldn't take much to start a rumor.  And with all these people trying to one-up each other for a scoop, some people could tweak the rumor to be "right" when it happens.  And it works the other way too.  People could make up a rumor, claim to be an anonymous source, and then get a story on a smaller site.  Then the bigger sites, trying for a scoop, report it.

I hope that they get it worked out.  I liked Cavill in Justice League, and I think he wants the role.  And it's a cameo...this is something they need to figure out.

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The only reason I mention that Aquaman is a step away from the DCEU is that Wan has repeatedly said that it's "isolated" from the rest of the DCEU.  Which is fine...like I said, there don't have to be shoehorned Justice League cameos for no reason.  But if the movie doesn't address the growth Arthur's character went through in Justice League, it'll be weird.

I heard something about DC finally naming their universe officially "The Worlds of DC" - but that might be a more-inclusive label for all their properties, including animation, TV, and video games.

And, again, this is where a spokesman/figurehead/centerpiece would be beneficial.  Just someone to stand up when rumors happen and say "listen, I'm the only one who is speaking officially on this.  Cavill is not out.  Aquaman and Shazam are very much in our connected universe, which is proceeding.  The Joker movie is (blank).  We're excited about developing movies for (whoever) and you'll get more information on that when it's ready."

It doesn't have to be anyone with any real power at DC.  If they don't want a Kevin Feige, they don't need one.  But someone who can speak for the company when rumors start swirling.

But maybe they don't care.  Maybe they like the rumors.  Maybe they create the rumors themselves to float ideas.  I have no idea.

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I'd be more inclined to believe that there's a singular vision for this if there wasn't a standalone Joker movie.  It's not a DCEU prequel because they're looking to hire someone to play Thomas Wayne, and they haven't approached Jeffrey Dean Morgan.

Then there's all the talk that the Batman movie is outside of continuity.  That Aquaman doesn't really connect to the DCEU (it, at least, has consistent actors). It seems, at least, that they wanted/still want Superman to appear in Shazam, and there's a lot of DCEU references in that movie.

It just seems inconsistent on whether or not they're committed to sticking with what was essentially Zach Snyder's universe.  I don't think they need to replicate Marvel - the way they're doing things is okay.  I just would like for there to be some sort of indication that they have a plan.  If they want to do a shared universe, cool.  If they want to do Elseworlds, cool.  But if they do a little bit of this and a little bit of that, I think they're going to lose the non-comic audience.

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Well, I think WB has no idea what they're doing.  I think they gave Snyder the bandwidth to make his three-part story, and that's essentially all they had.  Without Snyder, they're scrambling for someone to have a vision.  In the mean time, they had Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman, which had their own separate visions that really didn't tie into the Snyder movies.  With Wonder Woman 1984 still keeping itself separated from the regular continuity (as another prequel), Aquaman doing its own thing, and the Joker movie being in a completely separate continuity (unless they surprise us all and end it with a Jared Leto cameo of Joker being someone like Jason Todd or Dick Grayson), they're moving away from a shared universe.

I don't think their strategy is a bad one.  All these movies don't have to tie together like Marvel does.  There's no need to shoehorn Cyborg into an Aquaman movie to make it work.  Wonder Woman has a huge hole to fill in her history, and doing a movie in the 80s makes sense.  And if Joker is an Elseworld, then it opens up the idea of doing other Elseworlds.  It might even make it easy to replace actors or follow the model from the animated movies (where each movie is its own thing, and voices are always changing).

But I'm still looking for someone to have a vision for where this universe/multiverse is going.  WB has been very reactionary, and it's messed with the tone of both the universe itself and the individual movies.  They're trying to copy everything about the Marvel model except for the stuff that makes Marvel feel cohesive - singular leadership at the top whose sole purpose is to keep the universe feeling connected and moving forward.

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The new rumor is that they're considering Michael B. Jordan as Superman.

Because that worked really well last time....

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The main problem, in regards to the media, is the fact that no one is the face of DC right now.  I hate to keep harking on the Feige thing, but if Feige says something, it's news.  It's official.  At DC, it's the Wild West so rumors are free to run wild and rampant.

With dozens of ideas floating around tied to dozens of creatives, it's hard to tie down what's really happening at DC.  Only a couple of movies are official, and it does seem like DC is in the process of going from more of a shared universe to more of a multiverse concept with a standalone Joker movie and a potentially-standalone Batman movie among the likelier films to get made.

Rumors like this don't happen at Marvel - good or bad.  I think that's because everything flows through Feige.  If he hasn't confirmed it, it's not real.  When there's no one to confirm or deny, anything is potentially true.


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Speaking of rumors, there was a thought that WB might want Kit Harrington star as Batman.  That's just such a bad idea that I'm hoping Informant's thoughts on the media is 100% right.

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http://aftercredits.com/

I use this when the credits start no matter what movie I'm watching.  They have a spoiler warning so you can easily see if a film has mid or end credits sequences without spoiling what they are.

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Oh yeah you need to find those.  There's even a deleted one that they put back in which was pretty funny.

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I really liked it.  Fun cameos.  Exciting actions.  Solid jokes.

I could definitely nitpick how the end credits completely undermines the entire emotional impact of the story, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't matter in a movie like this.

I was shocked that Hugh Jackman didn't have a cameo, though.