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Sliders is officially now listed under "Golden Oldies" on the Xumo app  (where  the streaming quality is  the  best picture of  any platform).  So yea, that feels just great.

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Also, besides David's podcast, he has a new movie out based on the book he wrote. He's earned praise for his performance.

"Reverse the Curse"
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/ … 579b80a334

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https://twitter.com/ContextGillian/stat … 2721799510

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Excited for your book Annie!

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ireactions wrote:

Well, you can get the next one.

Also, while looking, I noticed that Sabrina Lloyd's "The Girl With Something Extra" interview ( https://earthprime.com/articles/the-gir … ing-extra/ ) describes her pre-SLIDERS career where she starred in an movie on HBO where she plays a teenaged lesbian who wants to go with her girlfriend to prom. That was actually an episode of an anthology TV show, not a film, and you can see the episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjPG0QVsFdI&t

Great find

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ireactions wrote:

I've always found every MISSION IMPOSSIBLE, even the ones I didn't like, were very stagey and writerly. Which is fine for me because MISSION IMPOSSIBLE is about confidence tricks and deceit and staged scenarios to manipulate marks. I'm not sure what you're referring to by fourth wall breaking.

I guess there was always such depth of logic in the writing that even if we are suspending disbelief, it felt like the scenarios could be real in that imagined world.  With this film, it felt a bit more contrived and just a bit artificial and a little hallow.  I don't know -- something clearly didn't work the same I think beyond the competition from two other films.

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ireactions wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

The writing was just not as good on that film than some of the recent in the series.

What was wrong about the writing for you? I thought it was as strong as it had ever been, and had the same weaknesses and inconsistencies the series has always had.

I'm a bit surprised you say that.  It felt a bit cliche to me.  I thought it could have been an interesting concept but at the end of the day, they didnt really execute on it in a smart enough way.  It didn't feel like a "real" thing that happened, it felt like a written story.  Once you break that fourth wall, and it's not a truly believable world, you are just playing pretend and it's less impressive..  Either way, the creative team has enough of a history to be worthy of many more attempts and I still enjoyed the theatrical experience.  I can see why the word of mouth wasn't as strong though.  I also felt like, while certainly a death defying stunt, the motorcycle off a cliff just didnt translate as dramatically as they had hoped.

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@ireactions

I don't think it was just one factor with Dead Reckoning Part I.   If there wasn't two other big movies playing, I think it would have been profitable....  if it had two other big movies playing, but had better word of mouth, I think it would have been profitable.

The writing was just not as good on that film than some of the recent in the series.  The train stuff was peak suspense for the franchise but the rest of the film just didn't quite meet the high bar of the others.  I think that in combination of having other things to go see in theaters reduced audience motivations.  Still surprising given all the goodwill Tom Cruise had established with it.  MI films felt like american events the last couple of releases prior.

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https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P … fy1RIVm5__

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Either these things have  limitations and growth will slow or flatline in their quality or it will have steady growth in quality or exponential.   I think it's reasonable to assume the latter because that's how technology normally goes but I would also not be extremely shocked if the former plays out too.

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https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/cmr.00124-23

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Apparently x files had no series bible

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fantastic interview

From a business perspective, in hindsight I wonder if having Scott Bakula and leaning more into the old series would have better served the number of episodes that got green lit.  I have no idea though.

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ireactions wrote:

The first two seasons of SLIDERS and the first five seasons of THE X-FILES were basically neighbours filming in Vancouver. And I certainly think of SLIDERS and THE X-FILES as existing on the same multidimensional axis.

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What are you enjoying about the books you've been listening to?

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Every couple years, I like to re-read the SEASON 10 and SEASON 11 comic books. They had a slightly more muted, low-key (and rushed) finale than I would have liked, but they mostly resolved their stories except for two loose ends.

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I still have the two IDW X-FILES prose anthologies from the SEASON 10/SEASON 11 era of 2013 - 2015 to read.


I like Monsters of the Week better of the two (although happy both are available -- Hoopla is completely free in markets where your library participates with them -- not sure if it's U.S. only).


The Monsters of the Week one just helped me understand subtext better, some behind the scenes stuff and also has good criticism -- it's not just fan boy stuff.  All of it's criticism (and opinions overall) are rooted in reasoning and well-articulated.

It helps me understand and appreciate the show at a deeper level.

Personally, I enjoyed some of the comics by Joe Harris etc.  I'm a casual fan.  I like Mulder and Scully -- particularly the dynamic between the two.  The same way that I got drawn to the relationship between Quinn and Arturo, even if the dynamics are quite different.

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One interesting thing about the X Files and Sliders, that makes me think they are at least in the same "cinematic universe" is that a number of key actors appeared on both shows.  They feel spiritually connected.   I guess by virtue of the fact that these actors played different roles, one would have to conclude that they were not on Earth Prime.

I still wonder though.   It's almost like they are on the same Earth Prime compared to the universes of all other tv properties, in some way.

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If you guys had to guess... is Earth Prime the same for our Quinn Mallory and the Mulder and Scully we saw in the X Files documentary series?

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RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

I just discovered Hoopla has some x-files audiobooks I hadn't see before:

https://www.hoopladigital.com/audiobook … n/12244243

This book is excellent so far.

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ireactions wrote:

It's really tough. Fan gatherings are a leisure activity. And it's hard to spend on hotels, meals, travel and such for leisure.

I think the last movie I saw in a movie theatre was MADAME WEB and only because my job gave me a gift card. The last movie I saw in theatres on my own dime was MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: DEAD RECKONING. It just does not make sense to go to a movie theatre and pay for a $15 ticket, parking, concessions, gas and such when I have an adequate TV at home with an okay speaker system.

It may not make financial sense for a lot of people to travel to a fan convention when they could use message boards, Facebook, Reddit, podcasts and ebooks for a facsimile of meeting cast and crew and attending discussion panels.

On another note: Claudia Gray's upcoming X-FILES novel, "Perihelion", costs $28 USD. https://a.co/d/4C4yXFc

Twenty. Eight. American. Dollars. Look, Claudia Gray may be a splendid author and "Perihelion" may be the greatest literary achievement since HUCKLEBERRY FINN. But even then, it would not be worth $28 American dollars in the year of our Lord 2024. It cost less to watch MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: DEAD RECKONING in a movie theatre than it does to buy "Perihelion".

(I actually preordered the ebook from a Canadian bookseller for $12 USD awhile ago.)

Yes, I think what they found was after doing the event each year over the last two years and things getting expensive, they were not getting enough repeat customers (or new ones to make up that lost).  Event though an annual convention sounds wonderful, it was hard to pull it off.  The convention still managed to be a big success with their ability to pull it off over the last two years.

That book is quite pricey but maybe it's priced higher for first buyers and they know over time it will come down inevitably?   Or maybe they are just pricing it too high smile   It's really nice to see more stories with the original characters.  Something sliders never got.

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This is sad and reflective of how hard it is to put together these events

https://xfilespreservationcollection.co … -fest-2024

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I just discovered Hoopla has some x-files audiobooks I hadn't see before:

https://www.hoopladigital.com/audiobook … n/12244243

https://www.hoopladigital.com/audiobook … s/15992453

And a philosophy ebook
https://www.hoopladigital.com/ebook/the … s/11883924

Unfortunate.

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Grizzlor wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20TAkcy3aBY

Absolutely brilliant take down of those who are pushing for increased AI, by the maestro Jon Stewart.  These IT billionaires will destroy us all, and no, I'm not kidding.

Incredible -- especially on the prompt engineer stuff.

Unfortunately, even with the warnings, we'll still head in the same (inevitable) directions.

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Grizzlor wrote:

hmm, didn't realize Coogler was pitching a reboot.  I think the obvious focus has to be on AI, which is IMO the gravest threat to humanity ever created.  Aliens and other such traditional conspiracies are no longer believable.

Apparently, that might be the case.  As apparently Dean Haglund may have mentioned it 15 minutes into this interview:

https://rumble.com/v4ly10b-xfiles-lone- … llian.html

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https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/c … -interview

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ireactions wrote:

Yeah, when typing up Wade's, I looked up the LinkedIn page for Robin Torme and I was astonished and impressed by the many, many things she's been in her life: an animal welfare activist and rescuer, anti-human trafficking advocate, a journalist, a private detective, a championship surfer, a swimsuit model, an undercover investigator. I have this suspicion that Robin is a former espionage agent who retired from active duty to focus on animal rescue.

That is incredible. I knew only a couple of those things.   

Even though Tracy and Robin didn't have kids, they had their animals, and I'd like to think without completely knowing it, he had all of us, too.  We certainly had him.

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I apologize for not reading/commenting on this.  For whatever reason, someone outside of Quinn delivering a eulogy just hits harder with regard to breaking the fourth wall and the finality of Tracy's death.  I guess that's because i associate Quinn as a bit of a representation of Tracy himself.  Even if that was not his intention.

well this is not the type of stories I want to see:

https://tvgrimreaper.substack.com/p/wee … -likely-to

Maybe  the next generation of algorithms will handle poorer source content better.  Then again maybe not.  We can only hope.

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Thank you for your posts Ib and Matt (by way of Grizzlor).

I'm listening to a song called "Mural" from the Pleasantville soundtrack.   It reminds me of Tracy's life.

ireactions wrote:

QUANTUM LEAP 2.0 is a creative success. As someone who is not a fan of the original show, QL2.0 demonstrated the potent power of the show's peculiar blend of empathy, science fiction, social justice and its wit, charm, and humour. QUANTUM LEAP brought a 1989 concept into 2022 and onward with inventiveness, drive and vision: a diverse cast, a love story across time, gorgeous visual realizations of different periods and settings, superb performances, and scripts filled with daring and charm.

If Season 2 is indeed the end, QUANTUM LEAP 2.0 ends on a moment of triumph, relief, reunion and adventure. I would love to see more, but I do not think brevity is a reason to think poorly of a show that offered a strong note of closure. I would love to see a grand finale with more final notes on Ian, Jen, Magic and Janis and also Sam Beckett, but Season 2 leaves me very satisfied with both its conclusion and the way that last shot hints at so many wonderful adventures for Addison and Ben.

Certainly, a good point.   I was coming from the perspective (fear) of QL not justifying the act of networks/studios reinvigorating properties.   For example, with X-Files (not to send us off on a tangent), the new 911 show did better than that (I believe X Files season 11).    It just demotivates networks that revivials or reboots work that well.   Another proxy is how John Wick franchise blew Blade Runner continuation out of the water from a business perspective.  I want QL to succeed because I don't like how networks and studios kill shows and then never give them life again.   It's rude to the consumer imo.

Quantum Leap is on the far end of the bubble for a third season.  Universal Television's head just did an interview and they are basically waiting to see what NBC says, and NBC is going to weight it against other shows they want to maybe bring on fresh.     The ratings are slightly under the broadcast average for its time slot but not far off NBC's fall drama average. If it doesn't get a third season, I think it will be safe to say the reboot will be viewed as a moderate success at best (if that).

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I wish Tracy was still with us.  Damn it. 

How lucky we were.

"What's going to happen to you if you do something brave"

I'm not arguing with her idea of making brave decisions, I do think Dakota is failing to acknowledge most of these creative execs are working in an industry with not a ton of roles, and they don't necessarily have a pretty face (or a one of a kind skill, necessarily) to cushion themselves.  Yes, they are making defensive decisions, which ultimately leads to poor art.  I just think she could have acknowledged a lot of these execs are scared because its their livelihood and it's hard to stick in that industry with clear misfires or controversies or bad press.  So yea, a lot of them just try to hang on as long as they can make the ride last.

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@ireactions clever post.   I can imagine the professor is still railing, as only he would do.  Remmy really brought it home.

well this is super interesting
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/wy … ce-special

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I wish tracy was still here.

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This is interesting:

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/george … 235895233/

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I'm still bothered tracy's life was cut short.

Sigh.

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At the 1hr25m mark of the podcast dieselmickey posted, Tracy talks about a pretty interesting episode he outlined for next generation.  I think it went unproduced?

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DieselMickyDolenz wrote:

So I'm late hear this news. I actually found out about it today with the latest podcast from the Inglorious Treksperts. They did an episode dedicated to Tracy Tormé. It's mostly about his time on TNG, but there are Sliders mentions (unfortunately, the podcast hosts couldn't remember Cleavant Derricks' name). Included are several recordings from Mark A. Altman's interview with Tracy for Altman's oral history of Trek book. Worth a listen to hear the man in his own words.

https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show … SS-e2erk60

Thank you!

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https://trekmovie.com/2024/01/24/michel … s-want-it/

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

No, you didn't misinterpret.  I'm just saying that I assume she'd come back if the contract makes it worth her time.  I hope she comes back - she's a good character and fairly vital to Ed's story.

Oh I see, sorry.

So the actors are no longer contract I guess?   Well, that would make sense.

I hope the show continues. I know its not a massive hit but there's nothing else quite like it on tv.

I saw this having not watched a lot of the latest episodes and with a lot of catching up to do, so I guess I'm talking out  of both sides of my mouth.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

I know Palicki spoke negatively about her experience, but I assume if they pay her properly for her time (including any time she's not working), I assume she would come back.  She hasn't really worked much since the Orville ended (which may be her choice), but even if it was some sort of smaller role, I don't think she'd just not come back.  At least, that's not what I got from her interview with Michael Rosenbaum.

I think that was the issue for her.  The contracts I guess put a hold on the actors to ensure their availability, which basically means the actors can't work other gigs because the schedules may conflict then once the orville needs them.  To go into production, it's a lot of moving parts (and uncertain shooting schedules) and the contracts want to ensure availability from the actors.

I am not sure though if I misinterpreted your post.

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regarding the Orville
https://screenrant.com/the-orville-seas … acfarlane/

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ireactions wrote:

In this finale idea: Quinn and Arturo make a desperate, final bid to return home and rig the timer to send the sliders backwards on their path through the interdimension, revisiting worlds they previously encountered, seeing the outcome of their actions which are sometimes good and sometimes bad, and enabling the story to resolve any unfinished plots (Kromaggs, Logan, the wrong Arturo, the Professor's illness, etc.).

The climax would have Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo returning home but Quinn stranded. Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo would choose to give up home in order to find and save Quinn; they are lost in the multiverse once again (albeit with a working timer). The sliders would declare that their friendships are what matter most and so long as they have each other, they are home.

This is really just the perfect finale and wrap up.  You know the travels continue on; it reinforces the bond the four have; and it allows the interesting "What Ifs" not just of altered worlds but worlds they altered.

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I've added a link to your post, Ib. 

Also added a link to another source on Heat of the Moment (which was the website done by the person who worked on Sliders 3 - maybe Damron?), and updated a bunch of other stuff.

When I read the Avatar thing, it surprised me quite a bit, because you would have though Jim Cameron would have been upset with Tracy.  But Tracy was working with Gale Anne Hurd years earlier and maybe it got smoothed over, idk.   Certainly, it's quite quite interesting, even if it's hard to fathom how they would do it unless it was done in a different animation style.  The Avatar game that came out though looked amazing so who knows.

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Grizzlor wrote:

Tracy definitely had a Barney and Betty Hill project going at one point, I think even before Sliders, as ireactions mentioned.  Technically he produced an I Am Legend script 10 years before the Smith film, but he angrily tossed it in the trash! 

I would have to double check whether he wrote anything for Picard.  He was mentioning to Cardinal Sin once about the producers considering a Dixon Hill episode, which was followed by Gil bashing the series for 10 minutes.  However, I kinda recall Tracy sounding like nothing ever came from the request. 
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Yes, I should maybe put "alternative version" of I Am Legend, but then maybe that doesn't belong since he has a lot of different versions of whatever he got made.   The final contribution I think he estimated was 20 percent or so in what made it in.


The Picard thing, I am pretty sure he said he actually wrote something.   Maybe it was just a pitch, but I think he had a full outline/treatment or even script rather than just an idea in his head.   I believe he talked about it twice (so any details you have from Cardinal Sin's episode with more specifiity would be great).

My memory is jogging now but I believe the Tracy episode idea on an obscure website related to nicotine being illegal or something, or nicotine in general.  Does that ring a bell for anyone?

I've added Sliders Lost Episodes DOC link to the oriignal post, and can integrate later tracy's actual episodes.

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I've updated the orignal post with Long Slide Home, and a Star Trek two Spocks ideas for an episode and included a bunch of titles/projects mentioned in the replies to this thread.

I'm realizing now there's another Sliders torme episode idea that was covered in a hard to find site I discovered about 4-5 years ago that I am trying to track down as well.

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Wow, a lot there.

And some pretty interesting stuff. To say the least.

I will incorporate in the original post.

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Thank you ireactions, I will update accordingly.   

Tracy's idea around sliding backwards is a great one.  It just illustrates to me what a special creative talent he was.  The Long Slide Home is also an excellent premise, fascinating, and a great moral quandry.   I am sure I know what Quinn would do.

I should mention regarding Fastwalkers (mentioned above).

The audobooks was on sale when I checked a couple of days ago.  Only 8 bucks from 11.  I had always thought I'd get it and now seemed like the right time of course....

It's a lot better than I expected, it's more grounded.  I recommend it.

Also, as a general note for fans, regarding two of the titles in my original post, though I didn't link to them, there are PDFs for the scripts available, and it's out there if you look hard enough.


As a TODO on the titles I have listed, I'd like to add years and then sort them chronologically.

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I'm starting this thread with the goal of creating as definitive of a listing of the works that Tracy had in development that never got made.  These projects may have had producers attached but they never actually went into tv/film production.   I would appreciate as many detectives as possible in gathering info for this goal, and I'll update this post over time.   I have not done much digging yet, to pull in the information that's been on different websites. 

  • Kung Pow (2000 or 2001ish)
    TV series, he describes as "a very dark twisted, strange comedy" likened to
    "Batman meets Kung Fu meets The Prisoner."  He also says "a comedy for the usa network." In Starburst Magazine in 1998, it reports "quirky action-adventure comedy he’s creating for MTV."   Reported as "an MTV comedy slated to star Babylon 5‘s Ed Wasser" by Cult Times.
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  • Dark City (Around 1995 or just before)
    a ninety-minute pilot created by Tracy, also for Gale Hurd and HBO, an 87-page script written.
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  • Storm Riders
    A classic western with a unique twist. It was created by Tormé who will serve as Executive Producer along with Producer/Director Michel Dinner (The Wonder Years). Storm Riders is an HBO two- hour feature designed to set up a future one-hour series; it will be released theatrically across Europe.
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  • Messengers of Deception
    Tormé wrote the screenplay for Messengers of Deception, a hi- tech thriller produced by Robert K. Weiss (Blues Brothers, the Naked Gun movies) for Universal Studios.   Adapted into a novel "Fastwalkers" after
    the movie project fell apart: https://www.amazon.com/Fastwalker-audio … amp;sr=1-2   The unabridged novel, though out of print, can also be found on archive.org.
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  • The Black Whip
    a four-hour mini-series produced for FOX by Gale Ann Hurd;
                                                                                                                                                                  .

  • Traps: The Drum Wonder
    the biography of drummer Buddy Rich (Rich, Torme, and Bob Dylan Executive Producers);
                                                                                                                                                                  .

  • Doomsday
    TV Project with Howard Stern, bought by UPN. He says, "is an animated sci fi comedy for Film Roman (the Simpsons)." Re-examined by Marvel in later years.
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  • Where the Hart Is
    TV Project with Daniel Knauf, 35-page pilot screenplay developed.
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  • Script or Story for Picard S1
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  • The True Tales of Terror (around 2000 or 2001ish)
    pilot for a tv show.  He says in an interview, "an anthology series that will be on either MTV or FX."  In a chat archived at, http://www.earth62.net/transcripts/torme15jun01.htm, we get:<tracy> just finished writing the true tales of terror pilot
    <tracy> its about the zodiak killer pretty cool stuff


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  • Domination (around 2000 or 2001ish)
    "Domination is a very very ambitious sci fi thriller for warner brothers," he says.  In a chat he also says (http://www.earth62.net/transcripts/torme15jun01.htm): <tracy> Domination i think will be liked by most slider fans
    <tracy> that liked darker episodes
    <tracy> very ambitious project
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  • Higher Power
    A sci-fi series
                                                                                                                                                                  .

  • The Shadowman
    A horror show
                                                                                                                                                                  .

  • A Barney and Betty Hill abduction film (title not known)
    About one of the most famous cases in UFO history
                                                                                                                                                                  .

  • The Time Trial of Horror /  Time Travel / Orb (many working titles)
    A series about some kids who find a crashed UFO that had various potential titles
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  • Avatar TV Show
    Presumably a tie-in to the James Cameron feature film.
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    Star Trek TNG Lost Episodes:
    https://earthprime.com/articles/universe-builder/
    Tormé recalls that he pitched two stories. One was “The Dream Pool,” which never got made, and the second was “The Blue Moon Hotel,” which was later produced, heavily rewritten, as “The Royale.”

    “That’s a bit of a heartbreak for me. I really believe it would have been a tremendous show,” says Tormé, who terms the final product almost unrecognizable. “‘The Royale’ was really my attempt to do a Prisoner show. The hotel was [The Village] and the astronaut living there was like Number Six. This is all allegory. Every day he woke up and lived this strange life inside the Vegas Hotel. Being among all these people, who weren’t really people. It was very surrealistic and kind of sad. Very touching and very lonely and he didn’t understand his own existence. It was like being in a Vegas casino in this barren alien planet. And the Enterprise people come aboard and realized there’s only one human being there — the astronaut — and you never see the alien entity, the hotel manager, until the end. That’s my Number One. The assistant manager was Number Two. It was a very complex and surrealistic story. It’s about loneliness and isolation.

    “What happened to ‘The Royale’ was that there was a stupid rule that said they had to utilize the cast more. The astronaut was too good a part and took away from our cast. They turned the astronaut into a skeleton in the bed. They decided to rewrite all the casino stuff. To me, it was like bad comedy.

    “I’ll give you a perfect example of someone who doesn’t know anything about Vegas writing a cliché Vegas scene. They came up with this whole thing about the book and [the trapped Enterprise crew] had to win enough money gambling to buy their way out of the hotel.

    “I just watched the whole show in complete horror. I had no idea what the show was about. I still don’t know what the show was about! I’m really sorry they couldn’t do the original. It was terrific. All through the first season, we talked about doing it. It was just a question of doing it right, spending the money and taking the time. When we were going to do it second season. I thought, ‘Great!’ and it turned into a disaster.”
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    Star Trek Episode Featuring Two Spocks
    Four page episode treatment available here:
    https://trekmovie.com/2018/09/16/read-u … wo-spocks/
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    Rule of Law Spin-Off Series
    <tracy> just did story for an outer limits its been shot already
    <tracy> called rule of law designed as a special more expensive ep
    <tracy> and as backdoor pilot
    http://www.earth62.net/transcripts/torme15jun01.htm
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  • 701 the Movie - Dramatized Version (2015-17)
    This came at as a non-fiction documentary only, retitled The Phenomenon.  The plan was originally part doc, part scripted feature for theaters.  The budget, according to the imdb page was around $10m for the project, and their investor, per tracy's radio/podcast interviews, got in trouble with the feds for his mortgage business, so he couldn't put a dime in and they had to kill the dramatized version, which was why he was originally interested in doing the project to begin with.
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SLIDERS UNPRODUCED

  • Heat of the Moment
    "Near the end of my tenure, I was writing my second script of the year, and I think it would have been the best script I’d ever done. It was called Heat of the Moment, and it was actually a show where Rembrandt is killed, Quinn and Wade are getting married, and they’re stuck on a world that’s doomed because of something happening with the sun. At the very end of the episode, our Sliders arrive, and you realize you’ve been watching other Sliders the entire time. It had Conrad Bennish, Jr. who was a millionaire on this world because he’d invented the ‘ice hat’, which people wore to keep their heads cool, so he was this great millionaire entrepreneur, and he starts working with the Professor again, which is a throwback to the episode Last Days. ”I loved that show, and thought it was going to be a great one to go out with, but near the time I finished, the word came down [that John Rhys Davies was leaving]. I’d put all this work into the script, and they were saying, ‘Can’t you rewrite it and put the new female character into it?’ and I said no I couldn’t. That was really the last straw for me.”  EarthPrime.com article sharing the story: https://earthprime.com/etcetera/heat-of-the-moment/  And more here: https://theslidersvault.angelfire.com/h … oment.html

    more here as well: http://leminuteur.free.fr/us/itwtormeus.htm :
    Tracy Tormé: I think it would have been our best show. It's a shame! The Sliders landed on world falling into the sun slowly. Bennish is a millionare who invented the ice hat to keep everyone cool. He goes to work with Arturo again, like in Last Days, also one of my favourite of old shows, now that I think about it. Rembrandt goes on dangerous journey to help his brother. Quinn and Wade realizing they will die on this world decide to get married. Bennish and Arturo fail. Bennish world is doomed, and the Sliders trapped. Rembrandt is killed on journey. Arturo goes to Quinn and Wade wedding, but doesn't tell them about their friend's death. Quinn and Wade get married with only two days of life left on that planet. And final shot is of our Sliders arriving for two min on this planet, and we discover we were watching other sliders through entire show.

    He also spoke about it at DragonCon.  DoC reports on that here: https://archive.is/N38t
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  • Slide Effects
    In a 2009 interview, Tormé revealed how he would have repaired his series if given the chance.  "I was looking through the pile of Sliders production stuff and found a small piece of paper dated November 1996,” he says. “It was a note to myself; I guess back at that time I was also jotting down ideas that would make season four if it ever happened."

    https://earthprime.com/interviews/tracy-torme-2009/

    https://earthprime.com/etcetera/slide-effects-2/
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  • Sliders Lost Episodes
    https://archive.is/N38t

  • Beauty World
    DoC reports: "Once again, not much is known about this tale. Another episode Tracy Tormé worked on, this episode would have featured a world where beauty had a different meaning (a homage to the famous Twilight Zone tale where our definition of beauty was considered ugliness)."   
    https://archive.is/N38t#selection-247.0-255.263 Per http://www.earth62.net/transcripts/torme15jun01.htm: <tracy> was pretty much what youd expect world where looks are elevated over substance
    <tracy> as i recall we spent quite a bit of time on it but ultimately abandoned it

  • Blood and Splendor
    DoC reports: This Tracy Tormé script was completed but never produced due to cost considerations in the special effects area. The script was finally produced in 1996 as one of the Acclaim Sliders comics specials"
    https://archive.is/N38t#selection-247.0-255.263

    The comic can be found here: https://earthprime.com/sliders-comics/
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  • The Long Slide Home
    A concept aimed at giving fans closure that could be released as a PDF on EarthPrime.com as well as other Sliders site(s) and potentially, could be brought to Universal to ask them to include it on the DVD.
    As Tracy told EarthPrime.com founder Matt Hutaff, per reporting on this forum:
    "The Long Slide Home" is in the works... I'm calling it my 'officially unofficial final episode of SLIDERS' and I intend it to be placed on your site and the other site mutually in hopes all fans will come by it. I've been thinking about contacting Universal to possibly place it on a SLIDERS DVD. I have outlined the idea completely for 'The Long Slide Home'. It's very 'fan friendly' because it has no boundaries and to my knowledge wraps up a lot and teases as well... It's not a SLIDERS movie... just something for fans as unproduced closure."
    More info in ireactions'  comment in this thread, including story concept: https://sliders.tv/bboard/viewtopic.php … 292#p15292 as well as an additional post here: https://sliders.tv/bboard/viewtopic.php … 305#p15305
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  • Sliders Reboot (2021-)
    - Jerry  calls tracy late 2013, after the Funny or Die Sliders spoof gets internet chatter.  They hadnt spoken in a decade;  Jerry tells Tracy he wants to do Sliders again and is excited over the reaction to the Funny or Die video.  Tracy follows up with Jerry in January of 2014 to talk further.  Jerry and Cleavant meet during the pandemic (2021?).  John puts out calls for who owns the sliders rights and even emails the head of Comcast, which seems to help eventually get something going.  Jerry puts in a call to Universal that goes unreturned.   Tracy meets with Cleavant (not sure how many times).  Tracy and John reconnect, and John has kind words for Tracy about their time together.  A former FOX exec gets involved and as well as Jacob Epstein and Robert Weiss.    They have at least 3 meetings with Universal, two positive and productive, the third a bit of a clunker.   The world where time moves slower from The Guardian is a key component in explaining why the characters may jump in age even though the series will pick up where the guardian left off.   At least two original cast members are in the pilot; one may be dead (or are they?).

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Many thanks to

https://earthprime.com for original sourcing as well as archiving

http://www.earth62.net/crewbios/crewbios.htm

https://stason.org/TULARC/tv/sliders/02 … ncept.html

https://earthprime.com/articles/slide-rules/

http://leminuteur.free.fr/us/itwtormeus.htm

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I always thought it was nice that the powers that be gave that show a end movie, the way Timeless got that too.  Most of the times the studios or distributors can be rather tough with decisions (and I suspect it's more that way again now) but at that time, at least they tried to address how fans felt.

It's really unacceptable that the Peacock technical team has Sliders, a title only available to its paid subscribers, a premium level of the service, from the same studio that owns the property, looking worse and inferior to XUMO Play, a free service that is simply licensing the content.  There's a measurable difference.   Even if Peacock's might be better than Roku channel's version.

At least now, it's easy to point to something better, so perhaps Peacock can be shamed over it.  I wrote their care team.  I have a family member who has an active subscription so was able to check the quality again.

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Grizzlor wrote:

Definitely well said by ireactions.  I think the best way to describe Tracy's approach to television, film writing, was fearless.  He had something to say, ideas to put to page, and he did it.  That is quickly becoming a lost art in filmmaking, as corporate marketers seem to make most of the major artistic decisions these days.  With everyone afraid of offending anyone living or dead.

Tracy definitely stuck to his guns. Stubborn in a way you had to love..

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Wow..   bar codes leaving us is kinda nuts.

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@ireactions   Excellent summation.   And beautiful to read.  Thank you for writing it.

I would also add, part of the reason why perhaps he didn't get those 100 episodes, or get paid as a screenwriter on I AM LEGEND, or have decades of continually new on-air television and features, was he was a sensitive soul.   He was not a business guy.  He was not an asshole.  He was not a politician or slippery.   At least two of those are good for being an executive producer, and the guys (and women) who never stop working in hollywood tend to have a little more of that and perhaps a little less in what tracy did have.

SLIDERS could be hard for him because he wasn't a jerk, he wasn't a business manueverer, he wasn't a policitian.   He was a writer.  He was a feeler.  And it was crushing at times to deal with people who were just business types or politicians, and who were creatively less skillful and were overruling him. 

That said, the industry does tend to sour on everyone.   Even someone like Bob Gale, co-author of the most perfect screenplay in history, fell out of favor in that town.  For god sakes, Bob had to self-publish his book Horror High (maybe not finding a publishing company was a bit of a choice, idk).   Tracy's most active years may have spanned about two decades but unfortunately, like the music industry, the tv/film industry is difficult for many to rule, even though the career length of an adult to "fill" is about four decades or more.

Tracy wore his heart on his sleeve, and maybe it didn't always help him in the corporate world, but I love him for that and wouldn't change a thing.

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I had some more thoughts this morning on Tracy, some stuff I didn't get out in my original post.

First, it's absolutely bonkers nuts to me that in addition to all the luminaries of science fiction this man engaged with, that Ray Bradberry was among the ones he tussled with on the subject of UFOs.   Or that the guy who runs SETI (featured in the movie CONTACT), Seth Shostak, was another.

Or that when he wanted to do an interview with Bill Clinton for his UFO documentay, he had a friend in Clinton's inner circle, and he was able to get to him... and apparently, Clinton wanted to do it but they wanted to keep him some distance from the subject, and so they offered Hillary Clinton instead (then running for president).  Tracy declined the alterative.

It's nuts to me that he was able to have a conversation on the subject with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who was a believer.   Tracy's aunt was a friend of Harry's.

It's nuts to me that someone who was connected to so many prominent, diverse, influential people, also as a footnote in his career, once collaborated on a project with Howard Stern.   That is how far ranging Tracy's life was.   It's nuts to me that he actually wrote a story (that ultimately wasn't a good fit) for the recent Picard series (I believe season 1).  I don't know if it was on spec or paid, but it seems as if he was asked.  According to him, he forgot how old Picard's character would have been, so the relationship he had set up in the episode never would have worked.

It's nuts to me that a man who was so talented and accomplished in so many ways had not an *once* of pretentiousness  in his body.   He never acted above anyone.   He always listened to all.  Probably part of the reason why he was such a great observer is he was a great listener.  I believe singers and actors are good at that particular skill -- and well, Tracy could sing, and though he didn't like jazz, he once in high school thought he'd be a rocker.

It's also nuts to me that unlike many screenwriters, he was apparently a very good athlete.  I believe he may have dabbled in baseball in college and he also I believe played football (I think QB?) in high school.   And unlike many of this fellow Beverly Hills High School graduates, he wasn't embarrassed to say he went there.  He was different.

His kindness extended to how he engaged with fans and all of us know at this point how often he was open to connecting with people, and didn't treat others with the sort of hierarchal view that many do.   He respected others as being equal to himself.   He just had no pretentious what so ever and really treated others with a classyness.

He was proud of his wife, who he would be sure to mention her own accomplishments, as one of the  best women's surfers ever.     I just think he was really exceptional and unique in a lot of ways, and I wish we all had some of his more admirable traits, even if I think there's a cost to the individual to carrying that out.   Tracy just had some great qualities to him.

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Grizzlor wrote:

Great post!  I do hope that "Slidecage" Jim Hall does post his thoughts here.  I suggest him to on Twitter.  I'd love to hear about that last conversation.  Even though Tracy often came off as a bit of a Debbie Downer and complainer on Awake Nation, in may ways he was a great optimist.  Personally, I didn't give his reboot much chance, not with today's media landscape and overall what a turd NBCU has become.  Exchanged many emails with the late Gil Bavel on the "Sliders convention," which I also had equally big doubts about from the get-go.  Yet Tracy was still pushing those plans right up until the end.  Was it wishful thinking?  I don't know.  I wasn't watching these broadcasts beyond the few with Cleavant and Bob, but you can tell in the summer, after a bout of the flu, that Tracy did not appear well.  It's all very unfortunate, as I too wonder what he might have done over the last 20 years had he not been chronically ill?  I had reservations about whether he was well enough to write/run a show again.

Thanks Grizzlor.

Yes, it would have been nice had he not had the health issues, and didn't have to step away from writing, especially about 10 or so years ago, or whenever it was.   I do think maybe his style fell out of favor, hollywood was looking for young talent but I think a lot of the style is coming back more to his strengths.  There was a period where everyone was trying to do prestige tv like mad men, where stuff was so-self serious, had no humor, and a lot of the industry was making tv for themselves.   There was also a period where, yes, everything had to have a sort of feel, as hollywood was trying to make up for it's embarrassing history in which its industry practices may not have lived  up to the virtues it espoused.   Even now, there is a sort of age bigotry against older writers, but I think they don't feel a lot of the older writers who haven't steadily worked would have material that would connect with younger audiences.

The thing is younger audiences at this point are watching less tv and more youtube and tiktok, so why even cater to them.  I think the remaining tv / streaming audience would connect, especially now, with tracy's stuff.  I mean, Black Mirror, did do dark comedy and shows like Yellowstone get like 10x more viewers than shows like Succession, even if Succession gets 10x more online chatter than Yellowstone.   I feel like Tracy could have created something successful today (outside of SLIDERS) but whether it makes its money back, that's a different story, as most of these shows on streaming have proven to be for streaming services that are almost futile as profitable businesses.

With SLIDERS, I think it was Universal just mining their IP, he had a good Executive Producer involved who had a good relationship with the studio (and I think deal with it at the time).   They probably wanted to hear from the creator to check under the hood and due their due dilligence on their IP.  Whether or not they believed in him as a showrunner is a different question, and they may not have been that far along.  Maybe they just wanted to see what he had, if their was a compelling argument to do SLIDERS again, and they may have paired him with (or essentially given full series duties to) another showrunner if they questioned whether he could handle the physical requirements of doing a show.  Certainly with feature film writers, most of the job can be done in pajamas, and perhaps they figured it could by a hybrid showrunner/feature writer role of sorts if the details needed to be worked out, or if he couldn't do it.

Because Weiss was involved, not so much in a creative role, and is co-owner of St. Claire, which owns a small piece of the property, it's very possible that there was able to be some level of light, ongoing, sustained dialogue with Universal where Weiss was able to have some communication every now and again after Tracy's meetings.  So maybe Tracy had some hopes because Universal hadn't completely shut down the idea.   Often, they are probably not gonna give an outright No to reserve their option to do it (a pass might be more likely if they weren't talking to the creator, who they might not want to completely piss off/abandon just in case they have to go into the IP again and don't want to do a complete roboot).   I think even Universal realizes anything that might have some market place recognition isn't completely valueless and you never know if they feel so desperate they are willing to roll the dice on JRD/O'Connell recognition, even if it didn't feel likely or best for them at the time.

Tracy, having worked in hollywood for so long, surely had a good sense of how often these projects get pitched and go nowhere.  I agree he was optimistic though, maybe overly optimistic.  I liken that to how people who strive to make it in a high level in professional sports often carry around an attitude of believing in themselves (even too much), because, if they don't, they will have zero chance to have the mindset to compete on the field.   For someone trying to get a project made, it's possible that he had all these very real meetings and some light continued dialogue, and to be able to creatively keep pushing on something, you almost have to be overly optimistic, otherwise you can't get motivated to push through the challenges of getting something made...

That said, I think the path should have been just SLIDERS novels 10 or 20 years ago.  But I do think Tracy was so hurt by the experience of SLIDERS, having his baby ripped away, having to deal with a showrunner who was inconsiderate to him and all wrong creatively, I think it was something painful for him.  I once mentioned here I thought he had some PTSD from the experience, and I maintain that, but I think it all came around in 2016 or so, and he was able to move past that once him and Jerry started talking.  Suddenly, his last memories of the experience were no longer based on those last difficult times, but rather reconnecting with someone and taking each of them back to what they had hoped originally for the project, and the good work they did accomplish.   I also think his conversations with John were incredibly healing in the sense that he felt John came to appreciate what he was trying to do, and I think it repositioned his enthusiasm around doing SLIDERS again and he was willing to spend time on it when he had really had to move away from it for a long time.

I said a lot of positive things about Tracy, but I do also see John as a treasure.  I fear we will lose him too at some point, and regret that he never really got the pedestal project he deserved.  I think he can carry a show by himself, or at least, at one point could.  When I watch him in that youtube video of his visit to the Oxford student union, even though it was years ago at this point, or some of his covid videos on youtube reflecting, with the grace he has in that moment, I feel like there's someone super special there, not that different from the professor. And even if the professor was played more like JRD the man himself than entirely the character Tracy saw, I think that was worthy too, and I'd love for John to be able to do the role again -- even if at this stage, it would have to be toned down and certainly more centered now that he's less dynamic physically.

Anyway, I hope it's a long time before we lose John -- and I hope the world gives him his full due while he is here.