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To me, Trump's biggest flaw isn't his incompetence.  If anything, I think it's the thing about him that I like the most.  If Trump were competent, I think he'd be much more dangerous.  The fact that the Hitler we're getting is really bad at his job might actually save the US because Trump is really really bad at getting things done.

My issue with Trump is that he doesn't seem to ever have the American people's best interests at heart.  I'm not sure he hates the United States, but he certainly does a lot of things to actively hurt it.  If Trump actually loved the United States and wanted it to be great, I wouldn't hate Trump as much (obviously, I still would).  But Trump is actively trying to sell the country out.  He's actively trying to diminish the country and make it less safe for my children.  He's attacking allies that we will need to placate powers we need to be standing up to.  And he's convincing my fellow countrymen that it's okay to do that.

I was thinking about what could get Americans united.  And if Russians actively attacked the US.  Let's say Russia invaded Alaska and secured some of our oil fields there.  Instead of rallying around a common enemy, I bet the narrative would be either that the Russians didn't really do it or that it's okay that they did.  If aliens attacked and we needed to unite as a species, it would either be that the alien invasion is fake or that it's good that they're taking over.

I think, with time, some of this will go away.  I thought it would need to be defeating Trump in a spectacular fashion.  At this point, it may need to be Trump failing in a spectacular fashion, even if it means the next president will need to dig us out of economic and social catastrophe.

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So small spoilers for episode one of Daredevil.  Not a major spoiler or anything you wouldn't see coming from a mile away (and yes you're in the right place).

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So Fisk becomes mayor of NYC.  And the parallels to Trump are pretty aggressive.  It's a little upsetting to see, but here's the thing that I keep thinking:

I think Fisk is better than Trump.

Fisk is a literal murderer, but in scenes where it doesn't make sense for him to lie or put on a show, he talks about wanting to be better.  He talks about how much he loves the city.  Maybe he's doing it for money or power or whatever, but as mayor, he starts making improvements.  He doesn't appear to be sexist or racist or selling out the people for his personal gain. 

Fisk is a bad guy, but at least he's making an effort.  I haven't seen Trump make an effort once in a decade.  And we know a lot more about Fisk than we do about Trump.  I'm sure there are bodies that belong to Trump.  He almost certainly hasn't done it himself like Fisk would, but I'd be shocked if he hasn't had people killed. 

I used to think it was so silly that a comic book villain would be elected mayor or president.  President Lex Luthor seemed so ridiculous and over the top.  And here's the thing:

I think Lex Luthor is better than Trump.

Lex is a monster, but I do think he cares about humanity.  He wants things done his way, and he wants to be the guy that gets celebrated...but he occasionally will step up and fight with the heroes when he realizes what side he needs to be on.  Do you think Trump would do that?  I certainly don't.

In some ways, we live in the ridiculous world.

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I've started Daredevil: Born Again.  One problem, and it's a problem we've seen with the MCU in general with the additional output, is how does this connect to anything?  And it's not like "Daredevil lives in his own space" because he's appeared in two things in the MCU already.  I'm not fully done, but I'm not sure how Born Again ties in with She-Hulk.  When does this take place?  I don't think we need Sam Wilson to cameo, but it would be nice for this to feel like it exists in the MCU, unlike the original three seasons.

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I talked about it after the election.  I think he has the means to try it.  I think there's enough a) support for Trump and b) political apathy that he could probably make it happen without massive civil unrest.  All he has to do is use the FBI to "prove" that elections are unsafe or under attack and "delay" them.  And the delay never ends.

Reasons to not be pessimistic:

- Trump is very old.  Who knows if he'll survive the four years that he's president.  Who knows what mental state he'll be in four years from now.  Look at how Biden aged from 2020 to 2024, and Trump is aging the exact same number of years. 
- Trump enjoys all the attention he's getting and wants that to continue.  He's still in the "honeymoon" phase and everything is still new and exciting.  Let's see how he's doing when his approval rating goes back in the toilet and he has to spend all day defending all the stupid things he's done.  If being president is fun, this is the fun part.  We know Trump ran to keep himself out of prison and because he enjoys when people call him Mr. President.  There's no way he enjoys most of the rest of the job.  I thought there was a chance he wouldn't run again because the job was probably a pain in the butt - he has to wake up early and people make him read stuff and he has to talk to reporters and all that stuff.  I don't know if the charges against him changed the calculus or not, but I think there's a decent chance he doesn't want the job anymore.

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I'm still not watching any news or reading anything or involving myself in this stuff.  Good luck to everyone that is.

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Okay so I saw Cap 4.

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Hmmm, I think you might be too hard on Captain America: Brave New World.  While I certainly agree that this is a Hulk movie acting like a Captain America movie, I do think a lot of it works as a Captain America movie.  I think it seems like it's trying to be the Winter Soldier (it feels as close to that as any movie since), and I think Captain America's relationship with the president is something that should be explored.  And then it's a natural extension, for me at least, to bring in Ross' supporting characters.

It could've been a purer Captain America movie if they'd Sidewinder the main villain (instead of the Leader) and made the president someone else.  But then I assume you lose the Red Hulk and the movie becomes something more potentially forgettable like Thor: The Dark World.

I think the movie probably would've been better served to have Bruce Banner in it, but I can see why they didn't want to go that route.  If Banner is there, he might overshadow Sam in his first movie.  It was okay to have Downey in Civil War and make that a mini-Avengers movie because it was Chris Evans' third movie.  If you make it a Hulk movie starring Captain America, it might be a bad look.  Especially for the first movie for a black Captain America.  You don't want that to turn into, on purpose or by accident, "The Hulk and his buddy Sam"

I think there were two natural stories for this movie.  One is perfect but logistically impossible.  The other I'm not sure why they didn't do, but it might have been too late to pivot.

1. Make it a Captain Hydra story.  What's the villain that would affect Sam the most: Steve.  What's the theme of this saga of MCU movies: the Multiverse.  If you bring back Chris Evans as Captain Hydra, brought into this universe by...something...and you have Sam having to face all his fears and hopes and dreams.  He gets to literally see if he's a better Captain America than Steve.  I think that movie is a better story for Sam, it's a better fit for the Multiverse Saga, and it's a bigger draw for people to have Chris Evans return.  But I think they're saving that for later, which is a shame.

2. Make it a "Putting the Avengers back together" story.  Maybe even some kind of Oceans 11 type movie where Sam spends the first act going to see Scott and Rhodey and Shuri and the other Earth-based heroes and trying to figure out who wants to join the team.  They'd all turn him down for one reason or another, but we'd also get to get status updates on everyone.  He tries to reach out to Captain Marvel or Thor or whoever.  Maybe it pivots into some kind of Young Avengers movie with Sam as the leader.  I don't know.  But I think it would make the universe feel cohesive again to have an understanding of what's going on in this universe because I think that's what we're missing. 

In so many ways, the world of the MCU is so much bigger, but we have no idea the state of the world right now.  Why aren't there any Avengers?  Even if most of the original Avengers died, retired, or moved on....there were a hundred Avengers at the fight in Endgame.  None of them wanted to stick around and keep doing good?  That's why I think phases 4-6 should've been about "what does it mean to be an Avenger?" "Can you have a life and be an Avenger or is being an Avenger your life?"  "Does the world need the Avengers" - stuff like that.  I think right now we don't understand what's going on, and that's the reason why the MCU is struggling to me.

But back to the movie we did get.  I think one of my other disappointments is that we didn't really get much of Sam's life.  Nando v Movies brought this up in his review, but Sam's life seems to be pretty changed from where he was in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.  Where's his family?  Where's his nephew(s)?  What is his deal - he seems to have some kind of headquarters.  Who's paying for that?  Who sends him on missions?  Is he a mercenary for good?  He seems to be enjoying being Captain America, but how's the rest of his life going?

Other than that, I thought the movie had good action.  I think the character moments we got with Sam were pretty good.  I still don't understand his position on the super soldier serum, but that doesn't bother me too much.  It was bizarre that we kept getting references to the Celestial but not a single reference to the Eternals.  I think the movie felt pretty unique - I didn't think it felt like any other MCU movie before.  I liked seeing the Leader, although I didn't love the look they gave him.  I think Giancarlo Esposito was wasted a bit, although he was good with what he was given.

All in all, I didn't hate it.  I think there were some wasted opportunities, but I can understand why they went the route they went.  I'm hoping that this can be considered the end of the "Covid era" of MCU because I do think Covid ruined a ton of the post-Endgame era.  With scheduling delays and changed storylines and altered release schedules and abandoned ideas, I think Covid messed with a lot of the master plan.  And I'm hoping Thunderbolts or Fantastic Four, which started development in the post-Covid era (at least FF did), can start to fix the heading of the ship.

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I thought it was also very odd that Riri Williams, who only appeared in the BLACK PANTHER sequel, got a whole episode of focus; we barely know the prime Riri, so showing an alternate version isn't very meaningful.

Multiverse of Madness and No Way Home were originally flipped.  There's concept art that shows America Chavez helping out Spider-Man, and the Dr Strange in No Way Home was supposed to be the evil Dr Strange from Multiverse of Madness that defeated our Dr Strange in that movie.  Multiverse of Madness was supposed to end with a cliffhanger that had Dr Strange defeated and trapped on an alternate Earth.

It makes sense when you think about it.  The movie is pretty nonchalant with parallel universe stuff, and that's because audiences were supposed to be introduced to the Multiverse in Dr Strange.  America showing up would've helped the kids understand what was happening and how to stop it.  And, the biggest, Dr Strange's behavior is explained.  Instead of doing this really irresponsible spell that almost gets the universe destroyed, it's a bad guy doing it.

The same thing happened with Ironheart and What If Season 3.  Ironheart was supposed to be out by now - it finished filming in November 2022.  So I'm guessing it was supposed to air in 2023 or at the very least early 2024.  Not only would audiences get to meet Riri but they'd also meet The Hood (who shows up in the Wild West episode).  In both cases, the episodes probably make more sense when you have any idea who those people are.

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I'm not upset about spoilers, I'm just confused.  I hope it isn't that they don't care because I think Thunderbolts could be a lot of fun, and I think adding Taskmaster to trick audiences should be fairly cheap or easy.  I don't think they needed to reshoot the whole movie with Taskmaster to fool audiences, but they could've shot certain shots with Taskmaster in the background and used those shots for the trailer.  If they didn't want to pay the actress to show up (and I don't even know if they paid whoever was in Black Widow to come back for this), they could've used anyone - Taskmaster wears a mask.

Now that I'm off social media, I do try to avoid spoilers (it's much easier), but it doesn't bother me if I read something.   Sometimes I forget while watching a movie and can maintain suspense.

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Obviously since I'm here I love multiverse stories, but I think Phases 4-6 should not have been multiverse themed.  I think it should've been "Avengers Disassembled" and should've been about the world losing its heroes.  We are almost done with this saga of movies, and we still have no idea what the state of the Avengers is.  I haven't seen Captain America yet (I might see it tonight), but even that would be pretty late in the game for us to have almost no information.  Does the team still exist?  In what form?  Who's on it?  Where are the others?  The only indication we have that there is any sort of team is in the post credits of Shang Chi.

I think Sam Wilson should've been the star of Phases 4-6, and it should've been him trying to hold the Avengers together after he takes the mantle of Cap (which happened very early in Phase 4).  He should've shown up in most of the movies, pleading with Thor to stay on Earth or pleading with Dr Strange to stick around.  And in the absence of those guys, he should be active in recruiting new people.  Something like Multiverse of Madness should've featured a patchwork Avengers failing to stop a threat and Dr Strange coming to save the day.

Instead of....nothing...the running story through Phase 4-6 should be that the Avengers were a special group that cannot be easily replicated.  Tony loved being Iron Man, Steve Rogers had no life, Banner was an outcast, Thor didn't know many people off the team, and Barton/Natasha were soldiers that treated it like a job.  Most of the remaining team have lives they want to maintain.

I don't think we necessarily needed every movie to be a mini Avengers movie, but we needed the movies to tell the story of a world that doesn't have a team standing by anymore.  So solo movies should've been about heroes taking on too much or struggling to work in a broken team.  Movies like Ant-Man and Thor and Dr Strange should've been about legacy members trying to make it work as the ones left to carry the mantle.  And new characters should've been about Sam trying to find people that can work together.

And phase six could end with the Avengers figuring it out and starting a new team that allows members to come and go and respond when they can.

Phases 7-9 could be Multiverse as we see this new team facing versions of the old team (and themselves) coming back to haunt them.

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Spoilers for Thunderbolts, probably.

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So the trailers for this movie have been pretty good, I think.  I think it will be a fun team, and I think the characters will have a chance to expand.  But we saw it with Suicide Squad, and we're seeing it with Thunderbolts.  The team being advertised is six people: Bucky, Yelena, Red Guardian, John Walker, Ghost, and Taskmaster.  Except all the major scenes only have five members.  In the elevator, it's five.  When they're walking down the street together, it's five.  When Red Guardian is giving his big speech, it's five.

Taskmaster clearly dies very early in this film, and the marketing isn't even trying to hide it.  Unlike when they hid Spider-Man in the Civil War trailer until their big reveal or hid Fat Thor in the Endgame marketing or they hid the Spider-Men in No Way Home or they added back in the Hulk for Infinity War...they aren't even doing any trickery.  They aren't going back in and adding Taskmaster to make it seem like she's in this movie.  In the Super Bowl spot (which I really like), she's essentially tacked on to the end of it to make it seem like she's in the movie even though she's barely in the trailer before that. 

Now the trailer mostly ignores Ghost as well, but at least she's involved in the action.  You can tell she's in the movie.  We know Taskmaster is in the big ambush sequence (I assume at the very beginning) but she's basically gone in every other shot.  So like Slipknot in the original Suicide Squad, I assume she's only in the movie to die and slightly raise the stakes.  Which is fine...but I would've preferred if Marvel wasn't openly parading that in all the trailers.

Especially since Taskmaster wears a mask.  They could've had a stuntperson in the Taskmaster costume for every shot and use those shots in the trailer.  When they're just standing around listening to Red Guardian's speech, throw in the Taskmaster double for the trailers.  In the car ride that Bucky attacks, throw Taskmaster in for the trailers.  If that's too expensive, throw her in in post.  Not in every shot but just enough for us to believe that she's in more than one scene.

It's no big deal at the end of the day, but I'd either prefer they ignore her completely or add her back in.  The way they're doing is a little awkward.

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I'm seeing Captain America this week.  I've heard nothing but bad things but I'm hopeful it'll be entertaining.

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The Canadian character is also blessed with excellent precision: we know not to strike our friends even as we retaliate against our enemies. We know our enemies are not Grizzlor, Slider_Quinn21, pilight, Temporal Flux or even Informant. We know who we're fighting.

Make no mistake: even though we're currently in a transition (the soon to be former prime minister resigned, Slider_Quinn21 needs some time to think), we Canadians are furious, we have electricity and we're not afraid to stop selling it, we have long memories, and we hold very bitter grudges.

On behalf of all Americans, we are sorry.  Canada is supposed to be our friend, and I don't know why we're treating our friends this way.  We also do not want to make you an American state.  At the moment, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

I hope America can find its way out of what we've become, and I hope Canada will forgive us when we do.

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Biden absolutely shouldn't have run for another term.  He ended up doing the right thing, but it was too late.  If you look the way the wind ended up blowing, it might not have mattered no matter who the candidate was.

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Personally, I set that selection over election aside because I liked Kamala. pilight did not set it aside, and pilgiht has every right to not set that aside and to consider it indicting and disqualifying and a clear indication that Kamala should never have been the nominee. As his facts are correct, he has the right to offer an opinion of the facts, and he should not be abused and harassed for it.

pilight has every right to hold and present his personal reaction to the objective facts of Kamala being selected, not elected. pilight did not make up his own facts. pilight did not attack others for declining to accept his personal reactions and speculations. I can't say what's going on in pilight's mind because he's been guarded on that, but his conduct has been exemplary in sharing his personal opinion as a personal opinion, and he has not engaged in conversation hijacking or false accusations or abuse and harassment.

I agree with all that.  I only disagree with the premise that there was ever a chance of an open primary.  If the Democrats would've run a primary, anyone that could've beaten Trump would've chosen to sit it out.  It would've been a primary for the sake of doing a primary, and it would've ended up with the same result.  I guess you could technically argue that if they'd spent 4-6 weeks doing a primary across the country that Kamala's "honeymoon period" could have come later and maybe that would've helped her.  But I doubt it.

I also think that even if Kamala had chosen not to run, there wouldn't have been a true open primary.  It was political suicide for Kamala to run herself.  Losing a presidential election is typically career death (which is why Trump still won't admit he lost), and it would've killed the career of Whitmer or Newsom to run on a shortened timeline and lose.

pilight is perfectly okay to think it mattered.  And I think he's right if Biden had dropped out in 2022.  But aside from that, I think a phony primary that Kamala would've easily won wouldn't have affected the outcome one bit.  And a true primary would've taken way too much time and probably also wouldn't have affected the outcome one bit.

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I'm sorry, guys.  I had a rough day yesterday (no big deal, nothing consequential) and I don't have the heart to chime in here right now.  Maybe I will later.  I guess my half-hearted response would be some combination of the same argument I made in regard to Grizzlor (we can't afford to lose anyone and we need varied viewpoints) and "go back to your corners and cool down."  I don't want QuinnSlidr to leave, and I don't like the idea of any sort of temporary ban in this case, but I do agree that QuinnSlidr should probably voluntarily avoid this post for his own mental health.  And maybe do the same with the news.  It can be stressful and a break from it might help.

For my two cents, I'll say this:

1. Kamala wasn't directly elected by primary voters

2. Outside of Biden stepping down months earlier, I don't see how it's logistically possible for the voters to have done a second primary.  And I don't recall that ever being something that was on the table.  And I think if they did something like that, it would've gone exactly the way that Biden's primary went - a couple of random nobodies would have run against her and she would've easily won.

Would some kind of fake primary have helped Kamala win?  I can't imagine there's any chance of that.  So I think, in the end, that argument is invalid.  Biden "won a primary' but did he?  People voted for him, but (and I apologize for this comparison), Putin wins a lot of elections.  Because the elections aren't real elections but just rubber stamps to make us feel better.

The real problem is that we think that incumbents shouldn't be challenged.  We think challenging a sitting incumbent is a sign of weakness, and it will expose the incumbent to challenges in the general election.

And my response to that is "....good?"  If an incumbent can't beat a challenge in a primary, they probably can't win a challenge in a general election.  And if the point of a primary is to get the best possible candidate, then every primary should be an open primary.  The problem is that people assume all primaries are going to be dirty and negative.  I think if the Democrats had run a true open primary but kept it positive, it wouldn't have hurt anyone.  And if Biden was the best candidate, he'd win.  If not, then "....good?"

The problem with the Democrats in the two elections they lost to Trump is that they kept saying how important it was to defeat Trump, but they didn't make any effort to get the best Democrat.  Hillary didn't face a true primary and neither did Biden or Harris.  I'm not convinced that Newsom or Whitmer or Mayor Pete could've beaten Trump, especially with how things went.  It seems like Trump was always going to win.  But in 2016, Hillary was just so historically unpopular in her own party and then went out of her way to alienate the Bernie voters.  She was clearly the better candidate, but she wasn't electable because of all her baggage with voters.

And I'm guessing if anyone had joined in a primary against her, they would've beaten her and probably won the presidency.  Heck a super old crazy socialist (my own editorializing - I like Bernie but I think that description fits) made it way closer than it should've been, and no one had ever heard of him previously. A real candidate would've beaten her the same way Trump beat her.  Obviously if Biden's son hadn't died, I think he would've run and won.

So in summary, I don't think a primary would've mattered because I don't think a real primary would've happened.  Everyone lined up behind Kamala - that was the primary.  It would've been a waste of time to frantically throw together a process where people would put Kamala's name on a ballot just to check a box.  And they didn't have any time.

And again, I don't think anyone was going to beat Trump.  I think Kamala did as well as anyone else would've.

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So as a favor to me, everyone should calm down and take a breath.  Everything sucks right now, and as a favor to me, just drop it and let's move forward.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD7G0M6GbJs

This sums up my "Democrats need to reach stupid voters to win" argument.

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I have a friend who is a public school administrator in a mostly-Hispanic school in North Texas.  He's nervous because all the immigration rumor mill is driving everyone crazy at his school.  And now there's apparently some executive order that forces all schools to be patriotic (his words, I didn't read the order or look into it). 

Literally everything that's coming out of the White House makes my stomach churn.  This is why my head is going six feet into the sand.

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But even that is fixable in time.  You can rehire the people that leave the government or hire new people.  We've had bad presidents before.  We've had terrible presidents before.  The next president cleans up whatever mess is created.

I maintain that Trump is a singular enemy and that "Trumpism" doesn't have the same ferocity without Trump both being alive and in power.  Even if you're being really generous, Trump is dead in ten years.  And without their messiah, I don't know if there's any singular vision for Trumpism.  It could splinter.  It very well might split the party in two or more pieces.  His voters will almost certainly splinter.

There's a light at the end of the tunnel.  It might be two years away, it might be four years away, it might be 100 years away.  But Trump won't win forever.

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If there's one thing that helps me not go crazy because of Trump's win, it's this: unless Trump takes the drastic step to eliminate elections (which could work because of the many ways its worked in the past or could blow up in his face), anything he does is reversible, some of which could be reversed four years from now.  Even if Trump ruins the economy or guts the government or gets 9 Republican members on the Supreme Court, it can be fixed.  The last one would obviously take decades, but it's all reversible.  Trump's presidency will fade.  His influence will fade.  His legacy will fade.  And unless he's infamous, before long he'll just be in a list of names that most people can't remember every name on.

Donald Trump wants to live forever and for his name to echo forever.  But some day, sooner than he'd like, he will be dead and his name will eventually be a footnote to most people that aren't presidential scholars.

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Disney+ released the first two episodes of "Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man" - I think they were entertaining, but it's weird that this show exists.  I get that they don't want to isolate themselves to a small section of MCU Peter's story, and I guess the cartoons are all kinda their own thing (What If is the most MCU-relevant and even that doesn't really take place in the main MCU universe at all).

Oh and people are mad that they race-swapped the Osborns, and they're also mad that they race and gender swapped Dr. Connors.

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I really thought Kamala had momentum, and I thought the math was on her side.  I thought she'd at least eke out a 270-268 win, and I was starting to really hope that the polls had it wrong enough that she could win overwhelmingly.  The fact that he won still blows my mind, and I probably haven't allowed myself to come to terms with it.  The fact that he won the popular vote really blows my mind.

So my opinion is worth nothing, it seems.

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I think it's important to let people reassess their thoughts and clarify.  I think it's possible that Grizzlor has some misconceptions, and I think people should be allowed to make mistakes.  This thread is called "Discuss and Debate" and I think it's important that we have differing viewpoints.  Informant went off the deep end, but I think we lost something when we lost our most conservative voice.  I think a Republican (not necessarily a kool-aid MAGA person) might've helped us understand what happened and why it happened.  In our case, since we were all fairly behind Kamala, we were a bit lost.  It was more of a consolation session than a debate.

Grizzlor has been a member here for almost ten years and God knows how much longer before that.  He's been in the Sliders community for around as long as I have (the Sliders BBoard Hall of Fame has his oldest post in 2002 and mine in 1999 but both are probably before either of those dates), and I don't think he meant to offend.  I don't want to speak for him, but I think he would take the time to think about how his remarks bothered you and try to either reframe, restate, or form a new opinion.

We have a handful of people that post here.  Informant has the third most posts and hasn't made a post in six years.  He, Transmodiar and ominmercurial are in the top ten in posters that haven't posted in years.  We had 8 registrations in 2024 who made zero posts.  I want everyone to be kind, but this group isn't going to get any bigger.  The last episode of Sliders aired 25 years ago next week.  I would like Grizzlor to feel welcome here, and I want Grizzlor to make others feel more welcome here.

That's my thoughts.

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Ughhhh.  I know it can happen to anyone, but I'm really disappointed.  I'm interested to see what his response is on the podcast.  Or if the podcast continues, I suppose.

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I watched it.  It wasn't really bad.  It was just...nothing.  I don't think I gained anything by watching it, and I don't understand what the point was even if this went to series.  If we wanted a "spies but Star Trek", we could do Starfleet Intelligence.  Especially if these guys are supposed to be mostly good guys.  If there's Starfleet oversight into Section 31 to make sure they don't do anything Starfleet wouldn't approve of, then there's literally no point in Section 31.

What the Georgiou movie should've been

This movie shouldn't have taken place in the Prime universe.  Georgiou should've been sent back to the mirror universe and should've tried to get back to her position of power, only to uncover a plot to take over the Prime Universe.  And she should've had a change of heart and decided to thwart the plan.  To stick with canon, I imagine she couldn't have regained her power, but maybe she ends as some kind of 3rd party mercenary doing some good.  I don't know.  But "MIRROR UNIVERSE STARRING OSCAR WINNER MICHELLE YEOH" would've sold as well as Section 31:the Movie.  Maybe better.

What is Section 31?

I think Section 31 is mostly entertaining, but it fails in a couple ways.  It does nothing to help us understand Section 31, either in this era or trying to mash it into something that fits in the DS9 era.  I'm pretty good at headcanon, and I still can't think of a great way to fix this.  And I truly hate new Trek's way of "here's a deliberate screw up of canon and we'll write a way around it later"

I would've rather had new Trek do that thing where they invent a dark ops Starfleet division, and then at the end of it, Section 31 shows up and shuts it down because *they're* the real dark ops Starfleet division.  Make it one of those things where it looks like they don't know their canon - have it called "Darkfleet" or something stupid like that - and then at the end, two guys dressed like Sloan show up and shut it all down.  Or recruit whoever into the real Section 31.  Basically retcon it like they did the Mandarin in the MCU.

But this watered down Section 31 that's out in the open just doesn't jive with what we've already seen.  And this movie doesn't help that in any way.

I just didn't think this movie needed to be made the way that it was, and I think they need to stop with Section 31 unless they're going to do a Q-level mindwipe of the entire galaxy.  I love ireactions' idea of "Section 31 captured a Q somehow" - that could be a really cool story.  And if it ends with the Q forcing Section 31 to go deep deep underground, then...sure.  But outside of that, leave the whole thing alone.  You've done enough.

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ireactions wrote:

I consider myself non-binary, which can fall under a transgender categorization.

I've definitely misgendered you in the past.  At the risk of being woke, what are your pronouns?

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In the interest of being our resident peacemaker, I want to add some things:

1. I don't think Grizzlor meant to offend
2. I don't think Grizzlor is MAGA

I add the second point because of the question I asked: where does Grizzlor get his news.  And I ask because I feel like, oftentimes, Grizzlor uses language and talking points that I've seen come from right-leaning politicians and media members.  The fact that he's regularly used the word "woke" is, in particular, odd to me.  Because, up until the date of the election, I considered myself to be pretty plugged in to the discourse, and I'm still not 100% sure I could define what wokeness is.  When you ask MAGA, they describe it in a sort of "you know it when you see it" or "I know I don't like it" way.

If I was forced to guess, "woke" means treating people with kindness and empathy regardless of what their situation is, and trying to get to a place where everyone can be treated fairly and equally.  So if a person gets here illegally in pursuit of a better life, it's finding a way to treat them with respect and try to help them find that better life they sought.  If it's a transgender person, it's helping them find their true self and treating them the way they want to be treated.  If it's a black male, it's helping them navigate the systemic racism that exists in our society (whether we want to see it or not) so that they can have the same opportunities that I (a white male) have.

I don't think being woke is negative.  I also don't think I saw Democrats embracing "woke" or "being woke" or even defending aspects of "being woke."  When asked about transgender prisoners getting sex change operations, Kamala Harris said she followed the law.  The same law that was followed under Trump's administration.  And yet it was twisted into some sort of ridiculous plan by Harris to turn everyone transgender.  Trump talked about kids leaving for school one gender and coming back another.  As if that process doesn't take months/years, and as if schools are allowed to give major surgeries in some sort of coat closet without parental consent.  What's true is that schools can't even give out an aspirin without parental consent.

Republicans have created this word and then they create conservative nightmares out of thin air.  They twist words and they find extreme examples and make it seem like it's the norm.  If "woke" is "being nice to someone even if they're different" then I don't see a problem with it.  If "woke" is forcing children to undergo dangerous surgeries against their will, then that's just a boogeyman that never has and never would exist.

So I feel like Grizzlor must get his news from something right-leaning even if that's not his intention.

Now I do think Grizzlor is right that Democrats need to veer away from socially liberal topics because Republicans have made them incredibly toxic.  Ted Cruz, someone who is generally pretty hated in Texas even by conservatives, was able to win what should've been at least a pretty competitive race by running almost exclusively on "Colin Allred wants to sex change your kid".  He didn't run on the border or the economy or anything else.  Just trans issues.

I don't know how they pivot away from these issues without leaving behind people that have already been abandoned by too many people, but I don't see how Democrats can win if they don't minimize their public support for stuff like this.

Democrats need to focus on economic issues and helping low-income people.  Anything else they need to put to the side for now.  Society will come around and support marginalized peoples - it always does - but now seems to be a time when progress simply isn't going to be able to be made.

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I can't speak to anything that's happening because I'm actively not paying attention, but Grizzlor, I'm genuinely curious where you get your news.

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I do know that people here in Texas are either really excited or really nervous about the ICE raids.  I guess I'm just waiting on everything to get super expensive.  Illegal immigrants cook a lot of our food, wash our dishes, build a lot of stuff, work on our oil derricks, and take care of our lawns.  I don't know who people think are going to do all these jobs if we get rid of everyone here illegally, but I know that whoever takes the job is going to cost a lot more.  Gasoline and restaurant prices are definitely going to go up, and I assume yards in richer areas simply won't get taken care of because the labor will just be gone.

And of course the people who complain the most would never be willing to do any of these jobs themselves.

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ireactions wrote:

The resulting film is so narratively bland and devoid of life or purpose that I don't understand why they made it.

My guess is trying to capitalize on the fact that they had an Academy Award winning actress.  I assume if "Everything everywhere all at once" didn't exist, this movie wouldn't either.

I'm like 20 minutes in, and I don't think anything has happened?  I'm not sure I remember where Georgiou ended up on Discovery.  I know she was dying because she switched times and universes, and the Guardian helped her.  But I guess they just sent her back to the original Discovery time period?  Wouldn't it have been more interesting to put her back in the Mirror Universe and have a movie set there?

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

I 100% agree with you on that one, Slider_Quinn21. But, my notifications for all the major news apps (ABC7, CNN, MSNBC) are setup as such that everything that happens comes through on my iPhone, so I get short headlines from all the major news networks. So it's hard to tune everything out. I can only handle this in small doses anyway.

The day after the election, I cleaned out my phone.  I deleted the Apple News app, I got rid of the news widget on the far end of my home screen, and I made my browsers (at home and work) default to a blank screen instead of a "random news" screen.  I'm not withdrawing fully from the world - I don't go out of my way to avoid news - I find out plenty from my friends' group chat and just existing in the world.  And I'm not going to go out of my way to slam my head so far in the ground that I don't know about stuff like the LA wildfires or stuff like that.  Even trying to avoid inauguration stuff, I organically found out that it'd been moved inside.

But I'm off social media (I've been off twitter for a while and I haven't been on facebook since election night), and I've eliminated any way my phone can update me on stuff.  I am actively avoiding listening to the news when my wife has it on, and I will absolutely avoid when my in-laws have Fox News on (I'll go to a different room).  But I'll find out about stuff second hand and that's fine with me.

As far as what Trump's done, none of that is too unexpected.  And honestly, I know things are going to get bad but any executive order that Trump does can be undone by the next guy.  Now if Bolton gets killed that's obviously permanent, but the rest of it can be fixed in four years.  The Paris Accords will have lasting damage, but that was to be expected.  I expect things to be bad with Trump, and I'm prepared for a lot of bad stuff.  What scares me is stuff that can't be undone or we can't come back from.  And we won't really know that until we see if we have free and fair elections in 2026 and 2028.

I did talk with one of my friends the other day, and he said he's somewhat optimistic that the MAGA movement might schism in 2026.  After the midterms, Republicans don't have any use for Trump anymore.  He can't run again (assuming we have elections), and they're going to have to pivot to giving Vance credit for whatever is happening (like Democrats did with Harris).  That could fracture the base because there are people that aren't Republicans - they're only loyal to Trump.  So what do those people do when Trump is out of the picture?  Trump's endorsements obviously help, but they aren't foolproof.  And when I was monitoring this stuff online, they're just as quick to turn against Republicans that aren't fully loyal to Trump as they are Democrats.

I don't know.  Maybe something to keep an eye on.

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

Slider_Quinn21: How much good will do you think that Trump threw away today with all of his executive orders?

My guess: 250%. And then some.

We're not part of the Paris Climate Accords anymore as of today.

Thankfully, at least, the clown is unable to will away birthright citizenship because it is a constitutional right.

God help us all.

I would love to chime in, but I have no idea what Trump did yesterday.  I paid no attention to his inauguration - I only found out it had been moved inside in passing.  I took my kids to a basketball game and watched no news.  As my wife watched the news this morning, I listened to a comic book podcast while I helped get the kids ready for school.

I don't know what Trump did, and I'm going to do my best to not find out on my own.  Anything I learn might come from here.  I'm not adverse to knowing, but I'm not going to allow that man any more headspace for me.  If he wants to burn the world down, I'll enjoy whatever time I have left.

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I think both things can be true:

1. I think Democrats need to reform.  They needed to reform even if they'd won.  The current makeup of the party isn't sustainable and the people want different things.  They can't be the party of the working class and suburban educated people.  It doesn't work.  They need to shift back to what the party was trying to be under Obama, and that means winning back the MAGA people that voted for Obama.  That was a winning formula.  Clinton/Biden/Harris's route is too dangerous and relies exclusively on people hating Trump.

2. Things aren't that bad.  And Trump is going to immediately throw any goodwill he gets out.  His ideas are disastrous, and if he implements anything he wants, it will make the economy way worse than it was under Biden.

And pointing at the approval rating is pointless.  We are at a really polarized situation where the opposite party will say they disapprove no matter what the president is doing.  The maximum approval rating is 50%.  So unless you get everyone in your own party to approve, that's the best you can do.  Trump will have similar approval ratings no matter what he does, and I expect his to get much worse.

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Yeah.  It's not necessarily a terrible era to be in.  The Empire is gone but there's new dangers.  There's an excitement of something new.  I don't think the First Order has shown up in any way in any of these shows.  It feels exciting and fun.

But it's like setting a fun show in the World Trade Center in the late 90s.  It's a morbid thought but the entire New Republic is destroyed in the Force Awakens.  By the end of the Last Jedi, the entire Resistance can fit on one ship.  There's just an ominous feel to this whole era.  Even when things are good, you know it eventually turns very bad.

I know I harp on this a lot, but it's just such a dark cloud on any new Star Wars.

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Okay I watched all of Skeleton Crew.  Overall it was a fun story and I'm glad it exists.  I do have two comments, one spoilery and one not.  If you don't want spoilers, just stop here.

1. I like that the people on At Attin refer to "The Great Work" - I'm confident that phase wasn't even original to Sliders when they did it two decades ago, but it definitely made me think of Sliders.

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2. So...Wim is definitely dead in canon?  Skeleton Crew takes place in 9 ABY and the Force Awakens is 25-30 years later.  The ending seems to imply that Wim's destiny is to work with the New Republic, possibly flying an X-Wing.  But if that's the case, Wim is going to put himself right into the middle of what we know is a losing fight.

Now obviously some people working for the New Republic survived and either went into hiding or joined the Resistance.  And I'm sure fan theories will pick a specific background actor who must be Wim to prove that he survived through Rise of Skywalker.  But that's the issue with dealing with this stuff at this time when we know how bad things get.

To me, if Star Wars starts again, they need to leave this era.  Either go 1000 years ahead or 1000 years behind.  I think this era is too bogged down.  Let's say that Rey and her friends finally defeated the evil and restarted a more modern Jedi and they thrived for 1000 years.  Now let's do something new.

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Yeah, still doing well here in Texas, although we've had some snow.  Thanks for looking out!

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I guess I'd like to see stories that show that these characters can all be leaders.  That the Avengers can take many shapes.  That there isn't just one road to victory.

Maybe what an Avengers would've looked like if Tony didn't make it out of the cave.  What the Avengers would've looked like if Zeus sent Loki to Earth to learn a lesson instead of Thor.  What if Rhodey was Captain America instead of War Machine?

But I would try and branch things off of something that happened in one of the movies.  Make it a direct connection to what happened instead of only new ideas.

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What If is both an interesting show and a hugely missed opportunity in my head.  I think the stories they told were interesting, and I'm glad the show exists.  But it's a little crazy what it decided to be when it could've been so many other things.

To me, What If should've been specific to things that happened in the MCU.  I would've liked to have seen different takes on stories that the MCU told, and I don't think we got nearly enough of that.  Maybe take one of the movies and change out the ending.  Something like "what if the other half had been snapped?" or "What if Captain Marvel never left Earth?" or "What if Ultron had worked?"

Instead, they did a lot of "what if this character was here?" or "What if this character was this other character instead?" Which is fine and I think worked most of the time.  And I think they told interesting Marvel stories but not necessarily MCU stories.  I know they wanted to create their own characters and craft their own stories, but I just think it was a missed opportunity to follow divergent paths that the movies didn't take.

The more I think about it, the more it would just end up being "What if the battle with Thanos was changed by X" but they didn't even do that once!

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

Isn't it interesting that now Trump is coming out openly saying that it would be difficult to bring grocery prices down? He is basically saying openly that he campaigned on a lie.

Trump's proposed policies would cause prices to go up.  Maybe significantly up.  So the only people who voted for Trump to help with grocery prices don't know anything about how that works.  Tariffs will increase prices.  Period.  Hard stop.  Deporting millions of illegal immigrants would increase prices.  Decreasing taxes but increasing government spending will increase inflation.  People that voted for Trump either don't understanding how anything works, or they voted for higher prices.

Again, Trump overwhelmingly won the stupid vote.  And that's why he's gonna be president.

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Grizzlor wrote:

The ONLY case that had a sliver of a chance was the Jan 6 conspiracy, and that would have needed DC jurors, and he likely would have appealed that successfully anyway.  All of that was an utter waste of time.  The liberal media ate it up.

I mean it was a former president on trial.  The media eats up any trial of anyone of significance.  Remember OJ?

And the strongest case was the documents case.  Trump took documents and did God knows what with them.  It was thrown out because Cannon is a huge Trump sycophant, and he might put her on the Supreme Court for it.

People who don't like Trump, think he's probably a criminal, STILL voted for him!!!  What was the media supposed to do with that?

Show Trump for who he is.  Cover the things that Trump has said.  Cover the things that he wants to do.  Cover the entirely of what he said, not finding 2-3 second sound bytes that made Trump sound normal.  I'm telling you that I watched local news and the Today Show (it's what my wife watches in the morning) and they didn't mention any of those things.  If there was no other news, I would've thought that Trump is John Kasich.

The media has an obligation to tell the truth and show the world for how it is.  The media for the 2024 election did their best job to make Trump into a boring candidate with no policies at all.  Which is what Trump wanted.  He ran on "everything was perfect when I was president" and people believed it.

It's time to put the blame where it is deserved.  Joe Biden was inept, his team and the media hid that.  His policies were a failure.  He finally had to give up on the unconstitutional and unpopular college loan forgiveness recently.  Yes, his infrastructure bill will be a good one in the years to come, but that takes years and years.  Now we have Democratic public health officials screaming for bird flu vaccines, and more lockdowns.  Enough with these people!  Biden and Harris approved of a nanny state, inflamed inflation with too much spending (most of which was basically fraud in the end), did nothing on immigration or crime, and wished to shut down debate on anything their side didn't approve of.  These are the most glaring complaints, and good portion warranted, from voters who departed their side.  Not counting the millions who voted in 2020, and didn't bother this time.  Which was rampant in the Northeast I can tell you.

Again, people are idiots.  The good news is that the idiots that voted Trump in are going to get exactly what Trump told them they would get, and they're going to suffer for it.

Airplane wrote:

Shana, they bought their tickets. They knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em crash!

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ireactions wrote:

I guess a simpler explanation might be that the DISCOVERY version of Section 31 is totally destroyed, except the absence of Section 31 simply causes new clandestine agents to take on black ops work on behalf of the Federation as per Article 31 of the Federation Charter and use the Section 31 name for a new organization that has no official ties to Starfleet and operates independently, becoming the Section 31 we see in DEEP SPACE NINE. Again, if Section 31 ceased to exist, someone else would simply create it.

I guess the problem with this is that there'd be a record of Section 31 that Bashir would've been aware of.  It would be like if Trump disbanded the FBI and then 100 years later a rogue agency called itself the FBI.  Someone from the future wouldn't know that the FBI still existed, but they would know that the FBI once existed.

I think your "Section 31 captured a Q" is a great idea.

Yeah not only that but the character is broken.  Superman has no connection to humanity outside of Lois Lane.  It was the entire plan for Superman in the Snyderverse - Lois gets killed and Superman goes evil.  He has no friends, and he doesn't seem particularly interested in being a superhero or saving people.  I don't understand why he does it.

Again, I know you could just say Cavill is playing a different version of Superman, but you'd need him to play a Superman in is 30s.  I don't think he could realistically play a young Superman.  And so a Cavill Superman either decided to be Superman as an adult, or he's well into his career.  And that's clearly not the story they wanted to tell.

I assume Cavill will have a role in the new DCU.  I think he'd be a pretty good adult Shazam, and it might be fun to have him play a different spin on what's essentially Superman.

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It's possible, but Discovery-era Section 31 is so out in the open.  It would have to be a massive galactic mindwipe along with erasing them from all databases.  It would need to be some combination of Dr Strange's spell in No Way Home and the Clean Slate program from the Dark Knight Rises.  And then all the Section 31 ships and combadges and stuff would need to be destroyed or repurposed or whatever.

I guess it's not too farfetched for Star Trek.  Q could do that pretty easily.  Let's say the official head canon is that the head of Section 31 in the Discovery era became a Q somehow and made it a secret to make the organization more effective.

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Grizzlor wrote:

The media are not to blame.  They barely covered Trump speeches, after being blamed for giving them too much air time in the past.  Meanwhile, they spent months, years now, covering Trump civil and criminal trials.  They are obsessed with Trump.  Yes, his mental aptitude was mentioned often.  The voters did not care.  They don't care about his morality.  Nor his financial malfeasance.  Etc, etc.  They hardly spent a minute on his two assassination attempts once they'd passed a few days.  No, the media did not "normalize" him.  Joe Biden and the woke brigade just sucked so badly (for enough Americans) that it really didn't matter about Trump.

With all due respect, I have no idea what news you were watching.  I think they absolutely normalized him.  Whenever I saw non-cable news, anything he ever said was heavily edited to make his speeches sound normal and traditional.  Whenever he said something wild or crazy, non-cable news didn't cover it.  He gave hundreds of speeches, and the only sound clips I ever heard were him saying stuff like "we are going to lower prices" or stuff like that.

I also think there was an amazingly small amount of coverage of Trump's economic plan which will absolutely wipe out huge number of struggling Americans.  No attention was spent on the logistics of Trump's idea to deport millions of people.  If I'd only watched those news, I would've thought that Trump was basically John Kasich - a completely normal Republican.

The media allowed Trump to take advantage of the idea that electing Trump will mean a return to pre-Covid life.  Even when he did press conferences, they never got him to clarify anything.  He got away with stuff like having "concepts of a plan" and never forced him to elaborate on anything.

People assume that all Trump voters are locked into Fox News, but Fox News is far and away the most popular cable news network and they don't even average enough viewers in primetime to cover all the people in Texas that voted for Trump.  Cable news coverage is a drop in the bucket.  Non-cable news isn't as big as it used to be, but it's still bigger than cable news.  And network news was so terrified of looking biased against Trump that they ended up being biased for Trump.  Which probably was great to the owners of the major media outlets, which were all behind Trump.

Again, Trump has all of the big media money and all the stupid people.  It's a great group of people to have.

Cavill's Superman is deeply flawed and I don't think they could salvage it.  And if they wanted to say "this is a different Superman that just looks like Henry Cavill" they could have, but Cavill is also 41.  I assume he'll age pretty great, but he doesn't look like he's in his 20s anymore, and Superman isn't really supposed to age much at all.  Corenswet should look right for the next 10-15 years.

I do wonder about Gunn's style, but I think he's capable of doing the stuff that would work for Superman.  There are parts of the Guardians movies that feel right, and I think the Guardians Holiday Special shows he doesn't have to be fully cynical.

And I think Superman just hasn't been done right.  Gunn is taking inspiration from a couple of great Superman comics, and if he can pull it off, it could revitalize Superman again.

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What's dumb is that Section 31 really only had one thing we knew about it - it didn't exist.  And basically everything they did with it is wrong. 

Now would Starfleet need an on-the-books counterintelligence department?  Almost certainly.  Would stories there be interesting?  I think so.  And instead of co-opting Section 31, they could've done something new and creative.  And the annoying thing is that Section 31 is a pretty deep cut as far as Trek stuff goes - a true fan had to have given them the concept and just allowed it to be bastardized.

What's weird is that I don't really have a headcanon for how Section 31 goes from open in the Discovery time to a complete secret in DS9.  It's like Han Solo never believing in the Jedi when he was a teenager when they all were killed off.  Maybe there is a good reason that can be created, but I can't think of it.

So the first trailer to James Gunn's Superman movie has come out and oh man I'm excited.  I have a couple of hesitations about the new DC Universe, but I'm really excited to see what Gunn is going to do here.  He's such a strong filmmaker, and I think he's going to have a greater understanding of this universe than Snyder ever did.

My two concerns are:

1. I still wish that Batman and Superman were the same age.  I just want Batman and Superman to be best friends haha.  But I get why they have to do it this way, especially with the Pattinson Batman being around at the same time.

2. I've seen a lot of James Gunn's work, and his films have the heart that you want in a Superman movie but they're also extremely cynical.  The trailer makes it look like he's getting the right balance, but I want to see a little bit more before I believe.

But I'm super excited for this movie.  I think next year might be a really rough year, and I think we're going to need something like this.

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Ha I've spent no time thinking about it, but I'll give it some thought and get back to you tomorrow smile

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Discovery gave Section 31 special combadges to identify themselves.  I agree they completely ruined what they're supposed to be.  I have very little interest in the Section 31 movie, but I'll give it a shot.

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The media is very much to blame for Trump's re-election, and they're going to pay for it.  Like I am with Trump supporters, any suffering is on them and they have no one to blame but themselves.

If we survive the Trump era, we need a complete revamp of the media.  Right now, far too much media is controlled by right wing money.  Bezos ordering the Washington Post to cancel its endorsement of Harris was abhorrent.  So if Trump destroys the media, maybe we can rebuild it into what it used to be.  Probably not but a man can dream.

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They're still doing Starfleet Academy, right?  Lower Decks characters could hypothetically end up on that, which I would love.

Lower Decks got 5 years which is longer than most.  Although it has way less episodes than TOS because of shorter seasons.  And less episodes than Enterprise or Discovery.  But more than Picard or Prodigy.

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I can understand a lot of what those voters were feeling.  I do think white blue collar workers had pretty much been abandoned.  I think blue collar jobs are drying up, and I think those people were hit especially hard by the pandemic and inflation.  And while the stock market is doing well, I would guess that very few of those people are even in the stock market.  It's hard to buy stocks when you can't afford food.  I can understand being upset and wanting a change.

The problem is that Donald Trump isn't change.  They're also against the sorts of things that Trump has openly said that he wants to do.  He's against unions, which will further hurt blue collar workers.  His tariff plan will make costs go up further.  Extending his tax cuts won't help anyone because taxes won't actually go down - they'll stay the same (or go up).  Trump is looking to end social security and medicare which these people depend on.  If people voted for a new candidate, I think I could get all the way to understanding where they're coming from, but they chose to make their lives worse.

I do think Democrats need to spend the next two years talking to those people.  I think they need to spend money on focus groups and town halls and community groups and figure out what they want and how to get it to them.  Democrats need to get back in with union leaders and union members.  They need to say what they're going to do, and then they're going to do it.  And I think Democrats need to spend more money in small towns and rural states.  I know they can't spend money everywhere, but they can't just abandon half (the land) of the country and just let that be Trump country.  They need to start playing long games like Republicans do - plant seeds and then wait for them to grow.  We went from "there may never be a Republican president again" to three straight elections that Republicans either won or almost won.

I also think that Democrats need to be careful with black voters not to just assume that they'll vote Democrat forever.  Black people need to be listened to and helped.  I still maintain that Democrats got too excited about their shiny new toy (suburban white voters) and lost their way.  I think they need to go back to meat and potatoes issues that low-income voters care about, and they need to leave educated voters to make the pragmatic decision.  The Democratic nominee should do literally nothing to help me because a) I don't need any help and b) I'll make the pragmatic decision.

And seriously they need to start now.  They have a ton of work to do and if we're right about Trump, there are people that are going to be even angrier.  They need to be ready to welcome those people back with hard work, not empty promises or jargon or memes.

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Yeah I guess there's a difference between silly and comedy.  Lower Decks is funny and silly.  I don't think the other shows have tried for silly until something like the musical episode of Strange New Worlds.  As you pointed out, there are tons of silly moments (like Janeway turning into a salamander), but I don't know how much of that was intentional smile

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I'm looking forward to the finale of Lower Decks, a show I both love and struggle with.

Silliness

On one hand, I think an animated comedy in Star Trek doesn't work.  I think the show means too much to too many people to make the show a joke.  It's okay when the Orville does it, but it's different when the show is making fun of itself.  We can do a parody of Sliders on Funny or Die to let Jerry O'Connell be silly, but Quinn shouldn't be silly.

Then ireactions said something that resonated with me - Trek has always been silly.  Trek always took itself seriously, but the show is silly.  It's funny.  It's ridiculous.  The stuff that happens to people on Lower Decks has already happened to people in the "serious" shows and that stuff happened in canon.  Lower Decks can make fun of Tuvix but that stuff happened.  Lower Decks can joke about a virus that causes someone to evolve and devolve at the same time, but that stuff happened.  The show is making fun, but it's all stuff that works in canon.

And the characters are sillier than normal Trek characters, but for the most part, the show doesn't make non-silly Trek characters much sillier.  The closest was Riker, but Riker is a bit of a silly character on TNG and the movies.  He's a bit of a jokester, and maybe as captain of the Titan (without Picard there to ruin all the fun), he was a bit sillier.

And of course some people in Trek would be silly.  Maybe someone would make a big statue for Miles O'Brien.  I'm sure there would be collectables for Voyager.  All of that makes sense once you understand that we're all supposed to be in on the joke.

Self Awareness

After you get passed the silliness, there's the fact that these characters know way too much.  For the jokes to work, they have to make references to past Trek shows.  They have to know about specific things that happened on the other shows.

But "Those Old Scientists" (the crossover with Strange New Worlds) sorta made that work.  These are huge nerds who love Starfleet - maybe they would know stuff.  I would assume that everything that happens on these starships (outside of classified things) is public record.  Every one of these characters does a personal log and an official log - that has to go somewhere, and people must be able to access some of them.  Maybe they all go to a database that people are allowed to read or listen to.  And I'm sure there are people that track that stuff and "report" on them.  Journalists or just super-fans probably track all the missions that happen on all the ships.

And you gotta think that super weird stuff gets around.  "Did you hear what happened to Barclay?"  "You gotta hear what happened on Deep Space Nine."  "You'll never guess what Worf did" - these are people, and I gotta think Starfleet is a bit of a small world.  These guys serve with each other and know each other, and I gotta think gossip happens.

There's also the whole "what is entertainment in the Star Trek universe" - and maybe it's Starfleet stories.  Something weird happens and maybe it gets around.  Or is turned into a holo-novel or even some sort of animated show.

Final Thoughts

So when you get passed those criticisms, Lower Decks is just a consistently funny show that both treats longtime fans of the show and moves the story along.  Lower Decks belongs not just as a part of the legacy of the show but as part of the canon.  I would love for Boimler or Mariner or Freeman or any of these characters to show back up in live action someday.  These are sillier characters than we're used to, but they absolutely belong.

And I think you can make a case for Lower Decks, as short as it was, being the best Trek show from beginning to end.  It was consistently great, and you really can't say that about any other Trek show.

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I really thought the series might end with Doomsday's heart going into Clark.  Hypothetically, Bizarro Clark (assuming it wasn't destroyed by all the Doomsday stuff) would have had a functional heart that Clark could've used.  Or even if it was wrecked, I assume the heart could've been adapted to work for Clark with Kryptonian tech. 

But the way it ended was great and I wouldn't have changed it.

I do think the Doomsday plot was one of the weaker parts of the season.  I don't really understand why Bizarro worked with Lex, and I don't understand why Bizarro came back to life when he died but Clark didn't.  Wouldn't Clark be Doomsdayed as well?  I probably would've had Doomsday leave once Lois talked to him and never come back.  If you want to be done with him, he flies into the sun back then.  If you want to redeem him, you send him out into space and show some sort of tag where space doctors turn him back into Bizarro.  I don't know.  But I never understood why he was working for Lex and so that whole plot made no sense outside of him just being a force of nature that Clark couldn't defeat on his own.

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

The problem with Ukraine is that it's rich in natural material resources that the Russians want, and badly. And that's why they are after it because these resources will make them billions of rubles richer. After the Trump administration takes control of the White House again, there's nothing stopping Trump from destroying half the government he doesn't like and pulling us out of NATO for good.

I worry about NATO but, again, assuming Trump doesn't name himself king for life (and even then), there would be nothing to stop us from rejoining NATO.  And the only one that wants to leave NATO is Trump, and he only wants to do that because he's in love with Putin.  This is a Trump thing, not a Republican thing.  Now it's a Republican thing because it's a Trump thing, but a lot of this stuff dies with him.

Trump won.  And not just the election.  He won whatever he wanted to win.  We lost.  And there's no doubt it sucks.  But Trump won't live forever, and a lot of the stuff he wants dies with him.  The next president, Republican or Democrat, will be harder on Russia, will be more helpful to Ukraine, and will be better for America and Americans than Donald Trump.  I still say he's a singular enemy, and now we need to wait him out.  Either until he dies or voluntarily leaves office.

Either way, the clock is ticking.

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I feel like if this was Smallville: the Later Years, the show would be fairly similar.  I think Clark wouldn't be Superman, having retired, but I think he may still do work for Sam Lane and the DOD.  I think it would be Clark and Lois retiring to Smallville to raise their kids in peace with Clark wanting a quieter life.  The plot of the show is mostly about Clark Kent anyway so I don't think you'd need to change much.  And if Tom Welling wanted to wear the suit, I think they could've played it exactly like Superman & Lois did.  If they didn't want to, Clark could still stay in the action in his flannel.

I really don't think much would really change.  And now I'm a little sad we didn't get that, as much as I liked the show as we got it smile

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

Republicans may not have a choice. Elon Musk has threatened every senator with being primaried if they vote against Trump's cabinet picks.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-team-w … 29118.html

Threat of primary is a real thing, but remember that some of these senators are more powerful than Trump in their own states.  For example, I think John Cornyn (who is somehow the best senator from Texas) has fought with Trump on a handful of things and he'd still win a primary easily.  And some Republican senators don't have to worry about primaries because they might not be up for re-election until 2030.  I don't know how effective "this guy didn't vote for this random cabinet pick six years ago"

It might be a useful tactic for some people who are moderately anti-Trump and up for re-election in two years and don't have a strong incumbency, but who is that?  I'm not super worried about Elon Musk trying to bully very specific people.

In addition, most of Trump's cabinet picks are either authors of Project 2025 or connected to Project 2025 in some way:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 … picks.html

I think Project 2025 is dangerous, but project 2025 isn't permanent.  Anything that can be done in project 2025 can be undone.  Even if Trump guts the federal government and institutes loyalists only, the next administration (Republican or Democrat) could undo it.  You also have to remember that part of the reason that the government isn't loaded with party loyalists is that the government can't function that way.  Some of the stuff in project 2025 would actually hurt Trump's ability to do certain things.  Not to mention that Trump loyalists aren't going to be as good at their job as career experts.  Which would suck for everyone, but it would also suck for Trump.  An inefficient government is bad for him.

I do worry about Ukraine.  I'm not sure there's anything that Biden can do to salvage the situation, but I'm hoping that Zelenskyy can defy Trump like he's defied Putin.  I'm hoping the Ukrainian people don't let our election destroy them.

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I think there's a lot of good information there.  And my hope is that, unlike the Republicans, Democrats will actually learn from their loss and make changes/improvements.  If they can fix what's wrong (and there are still free and fair elections), Democrats have an opportunity to take advantage of running against a party that is 100% Donald Trump when Donald Trump might not even be willing to help them.  There could be a huge vacuum of power in the Republican party with no one there to take over.

And if Democrats can be smarter and evolve, they could get massive wins.

But the party kinda sucks at all this so I'm not overly optimistic at this time.

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ireactions wrote:

The theme park rides sound like a lot of fun! Did you get to interact with any of the performers playing the characters?

I remember riding the Star Tours ride at Universal Studios a lot when I was a child. I'm sure the experiences today are even more advanced, immersive and compelling.

I didn't interact much with the performers because I was by myself (my kids don't know what Star Wars is so I went in by myself to save on costs of the trip).  I was held prisoner with a family and they tried to use me as a scapegoat as the Resistance spy.  I did move quickly when we were asked (by the First Order or the Resistance) but I was mostly silent.  It didn't impact my enjoyment smile

And they still have Star Tours!  I had heard that they updated the ride with references to the Mandalorian-era TV shows.  And maybe they did - the only characters I recognized were Chewbacca and C-3PO, and the ride could've taken place in any era, really.  But it was fun, still.  Probably as fun as Smuggler's run but obviously less interactive.

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

By the way...I really need to take a page out of Slider_Quinn21's book and simply turn off the news entirely for a bit. It just continues to get worse, darker, and even more depressing. I need to focus on more positive things. The sequel is, more often than not, much worse than the original.

I can't recommend it for everyone because I think its important to stay apprised on local news and stuff like that.  But it has felt really good to not have to worry about Trump or hear his name.  I don't know if I can keep it up for 4 years, but it has been good for my mental health.

It's also let me take a step back and realize that the truth of the situation will probably be somewhere between Trump being the worst president ever and the best parts of his first term.  I think some of my anxiety came from doom-and-gloom people on the left who, like Republicans, are selling fear.  I've allowed myself to rationalize with myself that maybe it won't be worst case scenario with Trump.  There are certainly horrible things that are going to come out of it (the Supreme Court, global warming, and Trump getting away with all the crimes he's already done), but we have to rely on a couple things:

1. I truly believe Trump is a unique animal, and I don't think enough Republicans want to be a part of burning down the United States.  Naive or not, I'm choosing to believe that if Trump pushes things too far, enough Republicans will stand in his way.  In the past, people have.  Let's hope they continue to.

2. Republicans are really bad at being in control.  I think they're the opposite of Democrats - great at politics but terrible at leading.  I think there will be infighting, I think there will be a disagreements on how far to take things, and I think they don't have even "concepts of a plan" to get anything done.  I think this was all about keeping Donald Trump out of prison, and they accomplished that.  They're a dog chasing a car.  Now what.  Maybe I'm wrong.  The president gets 100 days to get stuff done, and Trump is fairly terrible at getting things done.  He's good at being popular and convincing idiots to support him, but that won't help him now.

Let's see if some his dumber ideas (10% across the board tariffs) get done.  Let's see if he actually rounds up a bunch of immigrants or just does some dog and pony shows at the border.  I think we'll know pretty soon if we're getting Trump the Dictator or Trump the impotent showman.  And for my mental health, I'm choosing to believe that we'll see more of the latter.

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Two notes:

1. As I mentioned, I went to Disney World which means I got to go to Galaxy's Edge.  It was a pretty cool experience.  I got to ride Smuggler's Run a couple of times (as a pilot and an engineer), and I rode Rise of the Resistance.  As I've said, I'm not a huge fan of the sequels (and how I feel they sorta mess with the legacy of the original movies) but that's a really cool ride.  Of all the rides I did (including the new Guardians roller coaster), that one was easily the best.  Very immersive.  I would really like for Disney to someday retheme Galaxy's Edge to take place during the original movies (which would take very little effort) or at least move them to a trilogy I like (maybe episodes 10-12 when those happen) but I really liked that.

2. I started Skeleton Crew, and the Disney+ shows are so bittersweet to me.  I'm so interested in this era of Star Wars and how things are going with the Original Trilogy era heroes running things.  But it bothers me so much that essentially everything that is happening is meaningless.  It's really fun to see how the New Republic is trying to work through things, and they're wiped out so quickly and easily.  Maybe Rise of Skywalker fixed everything and now the galaxy can have a minute to breathe, but narratively, that whole thing is super frustrating.

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Yeah, even that kind of stuff they sorta handled.  In the "previously on", they devoted precious time to showing that John Henry and Lana were, in fact, dating.  And then she calls him out on it.  They included Nat on the episode where Candice tries to break up with Jon, showing that they are hanging out.  John Henry was there enough to know that he's supporting Clark.

I think they just did a great job with what they had.  Especially, considering when they announced the budget and the casting issues, I figured the whole season would take place in the Phantom Zone (which would just be the Kent farm with a red filter).  Until you mentioned it recently, I'd completely forgotten about that.  Which, I suppose, was the point.

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I was worried about the budget, but I think they did a good job, not only of hiding the fact that the budget was lower but by hiding the fact that they didn't have all the actors.  They were basically able to tell a cohesive story without having to find things for the supporting characters to do.  And it didn't feel like characters were disappearing for episodes - they just weren't necessary to the plot.

Sometimes, it's very noticeable when the budget is slashed.  I think in this instance, I think they did a great job.

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ireactions wrote:

Out of love, gratitude and respect for Slider_Quinn21, QuinnSlidr's ban will be lifted on Wednesday morning (Eastern Time).

Thank you.  And I hope QuinnSlidr comes back and respects your wishes.

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On Biden.  I really have cut myself off from the news.  No social media.  No news apps.  No cable news.  I just can't stand to think about it.  At Thanksgiving, my family is not very political and no one wanted to talk about it.

But I agree with you that he did what he had to do.  I think Trump is absolutely going to us the Department of Justice to go after his enemies, and I wouldn't be surprised if several of them left the country.  I don't know where they'd go.  I assume they'd go to an extradition country, and I can't imagine any of them protecting a former president over the current one.  And Trump would absolutely try to punish anyone who harbored one of his enemies.

It's a mess.  My only hope is that Trump is content with the power and the title and being out of trouble and just leaves everyone alone.  If his advisors can sway him from doing anything too extreme, maybe we can get through it.  But if he decides to follow through on any of his extreme campaign ideas (or is encouraged to do so), we're in trouble.

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My family and I went to Disney last week.  In EPCOT, there's such a focus on the future and hope and learning from our mistakes.  The front of the park has this futuristic/inspirational instrumental music, and Spaceship Earth (in the iconic EPCOT sphere) is all about how we can build on the past to make a brighter tomorrow.  Other parts of the park are about our natural world, our shared planet and differing cultures, and our imaginations.

On one hand, I was inspired to make the world a better place.  On the other, when my mind would wander, I was just depressed at how things are going and how bad things could get.    And how my kids might have to pay for what's happening now.  And that just sucks.

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The Superman & Lois finale was amazing.  I didn't expect to really love this show, especially when it was separated from continuity from the rest of the Arrowverse.  But in terms of consistency from beginning to end, it might have ended up being the best of the shows.  It certainly had the best finale.  I don't know about anyone else, but my room got awfully dusty towards the end.

I have no idea who the cameo was.  I googled it and it's Bitsie Tulloch's husband who I had never heard of.  I was hoping for some kind of connection to either the Arrowverse or the greater CW Superhero universe (i.e. Smallville) but I have no idea how they would've done anything like that without doing some kind of ridiculous turn that wouldn't have fit. 

All in all, a wonderful end to a wonderful show.