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pilight wrote:

That's unlikely.  We haven't had a president or ex-president die before they turned 90 in decades.  We haven't had one die in office in 60+ years.  We haven't had one die in office without getting assassinated in more than 80.

We also haven't had a president who only eats hamburgers, gets no exercise, and is morbidly obese in decades.  And with all the civil unrest we're about to have when there's no food, no gasoline, and no jobs, I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't a few more attempts on his life.  He's already hated by half the country, and as soon as he starts destroying the lives of the people that trust him, they're going to come for him.

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pilight wrote:

Not the Republican perception, but the public perception.  Very few people give a damn about those issues in the affirmative, most people don't care.  They really don't care when they're struggling to put food on the table. Harris didn't really campaign on that, but Trump campaigned against it and had plenty of past footage of Harris to work with, not to mention clips from The Breakfast Club with Charlamagne Tha God and DJ Envy sharply disagreeing with Harris.

Harris let Trump stick her the fringe issue box.  The tag line "Kamala is for they/them, Donald Trump is for you" was brutally effective.

Well, two things.

1. Trump isn't for them, which they'll quickly find out.  The educated people who voted for Harris have good jobs that will allow them to get through the economic hurricane we're about to get hit with.  The uneducated people who voted for Trump are living paycheck to paycheck and are going to be wiped out.  And they're the ones that are going to depend on the government programs that are going to be bankrupt.  They're the ones who are going to get sick and die because of RFK Jr.  And, honestly, good.  They're going to get exactly what they voted for.

2. The public is very stupid.  And if Republicans are just going to make up stuff or make mountains out of molehills, then the Democrat is going to have to spend the entire campaign disputing the idea that six year olds are getting sex changes in public schools and that millions of babies are being executed.  Remember that it's impossible to dispute this stuff with these people because they only believe things if Trump said it.  Harris could've paid for thousands of hours of ads disputing literal nonsense, and it wouldn't have mattered because Trump says they're happening.  If people believe in demons and monsters and secret pedophiles and things that are not happening, I don't know how a campaign is supposed to respond to that.

Again, this is a problem with the distribution of stupid people.

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I do think, even if they'd won, the Democrats were going to need to re-evaluate what they were going to do.  I think both parties are in trouble hypothetically for 2028 (if Trump dies and we get to have elections).  The Trump coalition is held together exclusively by Trump himself.  I assume a good deal of the Trump vote stops voting as soon as Trump is out.  They like him.  They obviously don't care about his policies or his performance.  If you ask them questions about Trump's actual politics, they can't name anything they like.  It's all vibes with Trump.

That's why no one has been able to replicate what Trump did.  No one's even come close.  So I don't think anyone is going to be able to inherit the Trump vote.  I think a lot of it will evaporate or it'll split into factions that won't agree with the other.

Democrats want groups of people that want different things.  Trump held them together, but they don't have a good message because the message gets undercut.  Educated suburban white people are worried about the future.  Blue collar black voters are worried about today.  I think the identity politics needs to stop, but I think it's more about Republican perception of identity politics than anything else.

Again, this is why Democrats need to reach out to more stupid people.  Republicans can literally generate a crisis out of nothing because their people believe anything.  Two people got transgender surgeries in prison, and that's basically all Ted Cruz ran on.  They took a theory that is shown in advanced legal classes and claimed it was being taught in preschools.  Republicans don't need evidence or numbers.  Someone on Fox News just needs to say "One hundred million young children today were killed by migrants" and people believe them.

Since the country seems to be majority stupid people, they need to figure out how to get them back.  Democracy will only work if the stupid people are distributed evenly.

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ireactions wrote:

Democrats are blaming Biden for the loss, for wasting time, for not committing to one term, for not letting a new candidate take center stage well in advance and distinguish themselves as separate from Biden, and for turning a deaf ear to inflation and the pain it was causing the working class.

I agree with some of this.  I admit that I was intrigued by the idea of Biden being a one-term president, but I think the entire endeavor may have been doomed from the start.  As per usual, the Democrats are 100% on the right side of history but are awful at playing politics.  Even if Biden had agreed on January 21st, 2021 that he was going to be a one-term president, I don't know what you do about Kamala Harris.  She was chosen to appease black voters, and even though she was the best of that group, she obviously wasn't the right candidate for 2024.

Would three years of getting to know her help Kamala?  Or hurt her?  If she was the de facto 2024 candidate, would the Biden Administration have done anything differently?  And if so, why?  Even if Biden expected to run in 2024, he was almost 80 or above 80 for his entire presidency.  Even if he didn't drop out, there was a reasonable chance that she would've been the candidate because of Biden's death.  So it doesn't make sense for them to treat her any differently whether Biden announced he was a one-term president or not.

Would she have gotten credit for more of Biden's wins and allow Biden to take blame for more of his losses?  I guess...but why would Biden do that?  He only gets one term and he's basically using it to prop up Kamala Harris?  I don't see why Biden would do that or why he'd be forced to do it?  I think they probably could've put Kamala up front more.  She obviously worked on her public persona because it went up the more people saw her.  But again...what would she do that she wasn't already doing?

And I still just do not believe in any world would people have been okay with an open primary.  If she wins, it would upset the black vote (which was already teetering) because they would've (rightfully?) seen the party as using her for the win in 2020 and discarding her because they didn't think she could win the big job.  I assume the process would've gone the exact same way as Biden's primary did - a random democrat would've gone against her, there would be no debate, and she'd win every state.  I don't think it would've accomplished anything.

Would the extra time have helped?  Maybe?  But I feel like her campaign did a pretty good job of outlining her proposals.  Time wouldn't have helped her distance from Biden because that was a choice.  I'm also not sure how much distancing from Biden would've helped because you might end up making your base mad if you throw your popular (within the party) president under the bus.

But let's assume that they could've had an open primary without upsetting the black vote (or the women vote).  Who beats her in a primary?  Gavin Newsom?  Does he beat Trump?  Gretchen Whitmer?  Is she any more ready than Harris was?  I like Pete Buttigieg, but I think it was the wrong election to have a gay candidate.

When you look back at it, it seems like no candidate had any chance.  People wanted Trump.  And boy are they going to get him.

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Now was there something Biden, as president, could have done?  Almost certainly.  I don't understand why more wasn't done at the border.  Seemed like an easy enough win, particularly as his border policy didn't win any voters.  I have to assume his border policy was designed to get Latino votes back, but it sure didn't work.

I think the infrastructure bill was good.  I think progress was made on climate stuff.  But I think the biggest failure was probably Biden's inability to make any progress with the blue collar voters that a) were traditionally democratic and b) voted for Barack Obama.  Even the stuff he did with unions fell on deaf ears.  He saved their pensions, and they still didn't endorse him.

I don't know.  It's a mess.  The only good news is that, if the Republicans allow another presidential election, I think the country is going to be a disaster in 2028.  It will probably be a big enough disaster in 2026 that the Democrats should win huge in 2026.  There will be gas shortages, food shortages, insanely high prices, lost jobs, American troops on at least one battlefield (I assume helping wipe out the Palestinians and maybe finishing off Ukraine), and massive loss of rights.  I assume even some hardcore Trump people are going to massively regret their votes as soon as this time next year.

But what does the Democratic base look like?  I really think trying to figure out how to get all the stupid people back might help.  I don't know how you do that.  More racism?  They seem to like wearing ridiculous clothes.  Maybe Democrats can capitalize on that somehow?  Free meth?

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I think the hope is that Trump keels over really early into his presidency (or, preferably, prior to inauguration) and that Trump being out of the picture removes the incentive for Vance and Graham and a lot of the Republicans who have openly been very anti-Trump in the past to keep doing this song and dance on his behalf.  Vance is probably more likely to do Project 2025 stuff, but he's not as likely to get out of NATO, sell national secrets for bail money, or overthrow the government.  I think Vance is an extremist and would be a bad president, but I don't think he's out to destroy the American government and Trump is.  Trump would be like Putin.  Basically any other Republican would be bad but not apocalyptic (in my opinion).

And that's what I was looking forward to.  If you watched Trump surrogates in power, they almost universally refused to openly endorse much of the crazy Donald Trump stuff.  They talk about "oh Trump meant this" or "Trump speaks in metaphors" or "Trump uses a lot of hyperbole" or whatever.  I think Trump would absolutely have Liz Cheney executed and have Biden and Harris and especially Obama thrown in jail.  I think Vance wouldn't even consider any of that stuff.

Again, the courts are gone.  I assume gay marriage is gone.  I assume a national abortion ban is coming.  I assume interracial marriage being illegal is on the table.  Same with contraceptives.  No one is going to stop that.

But I don't think Vance or most Republicans actively want to destroy the economy.  I think Trump does.

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Oh boy, you are really struggling.

Okay.  Republicans love the Electoral College.  Because, prior to last night, the Republicans hadn't won the popular vote in a long time.  So even though no other modern democracy copied it, they have fought every attempt to eliminate it.  The funny part is that the Electoral College was established because the Founding Fathers didn't respect the average American.  They found the average American to be too stupid to understand anything enough to make a decision on who to vote for.  They had the opportunity to give people a direct vote, but the framers thought the people were too stupid to vote.

The people that love the Electoral College and the Founding Fathers are the people the Founding Fathers respected the least so they created the Electoral College.  It is a joke at the expense of Trump voters.  Who are too dumb to vote and who the Founding Fathers did not (and would still not) respect.

If the 18th Century Electoral College had been around, Trump would have gotten zero votes.  Because the electors would have been educated enough to realize that Trump is an idiot.

You are correct that women couldn't vote and minorities couldn't vote and that rich white men were who the elites wanted.  All beside the point.  Kamala also wouldn't be the candidate because she is both a woman and black.  So also beside the point.  There obviously would've been a different candidate for Trump to run against, but the point is no educated person would ever vote for Trump.  And since all the electors were educated, Trump would get zero votes under the system that Republicans love so much.

Because Trump is an idiot and his voters are too stupid to vote under that system.  That's the entire joke.  It wasn't that complicated.

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You're missing the point.  Trump's voters love the Electoral College.  And the Electoral College was created because of them.  Of course, as idiots, they also don't get that the joke is on them.

Now Trump is also looking to deport a decent number of his own voters so if we get another election again, Democrats will have a better chance.  Of course, Trump won't care because he only cares about himself.

Goodbye America. Welcome to Gilead.

I don't think Trump would want to be the leader of Gilead.  That's something Vance might want, but Trump would be much more interested in running a place with no religion at all.  He would hate all the porn stars that he keeps around him to be dressed like that.

(Evangelicals are so stupid).

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pilight wrote:

The Electoral College was a compromise to give slave states more power.

The Founding Fathers absolutely intended for wealthy white men like Trump to be in charge, because that's who they were.

Well, yeah.  Of course.  Almost every one of our presidents has been a rich white man.  But you cannot argue that the vast majority of Trump's voters are the people the Founding Fathers thought were too stupid to vote.  And they were right.

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It is funny that the same people that love to defend the Electoral College are the same exact people who the Founding Fathers thought were too stupid to let vote.  It was literally created because the framers thought they were too uninformed to vote.

250 years later, nothing has changed.

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I think America will survive.  This isn't a fatal blow any more than Hitler was a fatal blow for Germany.  We have a very stupid and very selfish president who will sell us out to Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, and others.  But he's old and will die sooner than later.  The Supreme Court will be lost for generations, but the country will survive.  The economy will be in tatters, and I assume the world will need to move to a different reserve currency with the shape the dollar will be in.

But extreme autocracies like the one Trump wants don't last forever.  Particularly when Trump, again, is very old and in poor health and has no clear heir.  I think if Trump dies sooner than later, Vance will be more of an existential threat than a physical one.  I assume he'd still be owned by Russia and China, but there's less evidence that he's as comically manipulated by other autocrats.  I also gotta think that Vance is more of an opportunist than a true fascist, and he might allow for a free and fair election if given the choice.

Remember that Hitler died cowering in a bunker.  Mussolini was executed.  Bad men win, but history is full of ones that died horribly.

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pilight wrote:

She didn't say any of that.  She let Trump hammer away with a very effective ad that made it seem like it was a high priority for her.  It put her in the identity politics box that makes people not vote for Democrats.  Politics is perception.  It doesn't matter what the truth is, it matters what people think the truth is.

Again, Democrats need to do better about getting idiots to vote for them.  Idiots just elected Trump because they are idiots.  They have the brains of children, and they make decisions like children.

When you offer a child the choice between one piece of candy right now and ten pieces of candy if they wait ten minutes, the child will always pick the one piece of candy right now.  Their brains are not developed enough to understand that they get more if they wait, and they are too focused on getting the candy right now.  That is Trump voters.  They do not have brains developed enough to think critically about anything, and they have no ability to understand that they just sacrificed their own economic outlook because two people got sex changes under a Trump policy.

And when they suffer economically or when Trump voters are deported or when costs skyrocket because of idiotic tariffs, they'll get no sympathy from me.  They should consider it time out for the children they are.

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pilight wrote:

Harris wasn't vetted like a primary favorite would be.  She never would have gone unopposed if Biden had declared he wasn't running a year ago, like he should have.  Trump pounded her non-stop with that clip of her supporting publicly funded sex changes for prisoners and she didn't even try to respond.  If she'd been through the primary process that would have come out sooner and either she'd have found an answer or someone else would be the nominee.

I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous.  How many people have "too many sex changes for prisoners" as their top issue?  Top 10 issues?  Top 100 issues?  It's a nonsense issue that accounts for basically no expense to taxpayers, and it was a Trump policy.

So prisoners are going to keep getting sex changes, because that's what the Trump administration wants, but he's going to torpedo the economy, deport millions, put Eileen Cannon on the Supreme Court, put RFK Jr in charge of health, remove fluoride from the water supply, ruin farmers, destroy manufacturing in the United States, destroy NATO, and join with Russia, China, and the great autocracies of the world?  Or maybe he will eliminate it and save the country between $16,000 and $128,000 for the two federal inmates who have received public-funded sex changes.

That's 0.000007552% of the federal budget on the high end.  But Dean Phillips was going to mention that on a debate stage and it would've just ended her campaign.  Ridiculous.

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I don't love the version of Lex on Superman & Lois.  I don't buy that this is Lex Luthor, and he doesn't feel like any version of the character that I recognize.  He doesn't seem like he's all that smart.  He's ruthless and physically imposing, but that's about it.

Rosenbaum will always be my favorite Lex, but between Eisenberg, Cryer, and Cudlitz, I feel like we've lost who Lex Luthor is supposed to be.

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pilight wrote:

Dems ran a weak candidate, untested by primaries, and paid the price.

I think this is a BS argument.  Kamala wasn't the best candidate ever, but she had a positive approval rating.  She ran a strong campaign and built a ton of enthusiasm.  The primary argument is also bad because there's no evidence that there was any scenario where there would've been a true open primary.  The odds are, even if Biden had announced that he wasn't running for re-election on January 21, 2021, that she would have run unopposed as long as she wanted to run at all.  In fact, even if there had been an open primary, you would've come here and said that "her own party didn't even believe in her enough to crown her as the nominee.

And Trump is historically unpopular so I don't see how he's not a "weak candidate" as well.  I think pretty much anyone should've been able to beat Trump.  I'm not ready to go down the same road as QuinnSlidr, but something is really suspicious about this.  Not even Trump-sponsored polls were this rosy.  Trump is extremely shady, works with people that are extremely shady, and he's been planning something for four years.  For him to win so easily is extremely suspicious.

And since we're unlikely to have legitimate elections in this country any time soon, I'm cool doing a little election denying of my own.

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I'm so annoyed and frustrated and angry.  So many people voted against their own interests, and they're going to pay.  Farmers in the midwest are going to lose their farms, either because they're crushed by tariffs or crushed by a lack of a workforce.  Poor blue collar workers are going to lose their unions, and they're going to be crushed by increased prices and a dreadful economy.  Latino men that voted overwhelmingly for this man are going to be deported, whether they are citizens or not.  Muslims who did protest votes or voted for Trump will be deported and Gaza will be destroyed.  Republicans who spent decades fighting the Soviets are going to hand Europe to Putin.

If we ever get another true election, Democrats need to find a way to get stupid people back.  Letting all the stupid people be in one party was the biggest mistake that the Democrats made.  But with all the war and disease and poverty that are coming, the Grim Reaper might take care of enough of those guys in the mean time.

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Okay I've been feeling good all day, but this looks like a disaster.  She might be able to salvage a win in the blue wall, but that's the only hope at this point.  What a nightmare.

I'm gonna go kiss my daughters, whisper an apology to them, and go to bed.  Maybe this will all end up being a bad dream.

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Gonna have to hope that the polls that closed late are huge for her in Georgia.  North Carolina doesn't look as bad but not great, obviously.

Looks like we might be hoping for 270-268.  I was hoping for a bigger win than this, but might be time to adjust hopes to *any* win.

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Hahaha.  Awesome.

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I hope you're right.  It'll be impossible to know until later, but I'd be willing to bet that Trump can't get all the voters he needs to show up.  I also think that polls probably overstated his support with Republican women and minority men, but again we won't know.

On Trump's crowd sizes....let's not read too much into that.  There's no correlation between going to rallies and voting.  Trump had huge rallies in 2020 and lost.  Being enthusiastic about sitting in some arena until 1am listening to the same stories they've heard a thousand times and being enthusiastic about voting is very different.  I think what's happened is that Trump's rallies have lost their novelty value with a lot of people.  But I don't necessarily think people are less enthusiastic to vote for him.  I could be wrong and it doesn't matter what I think because we'll know soon enough.

But you're still right that low propensity voters are less likely to vote.

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My keys:

- Can Trump get enough of his low-propensity voters to the polls with no ground game?
- How many pro-Harris women in a Trump household will actually vote for Harris?  Have Democrats convinced them to keep their vote a secret, or have conservatives convinced them to vote with their husbands?
- How are black / Latino men going to vote?  Do they go back to Harris or go to Trump?  And at what rate?

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ireactions wrote:

I do not think we will be getting results until Thursday or Friday. But if I am wrong, I owe you a trip to the Alamo Drafthouse.

I guess it depends, right?  In 2020, we had the red mirages in all the swing states because a vast majority of mail-in ballots in those states were Democratic.  This year, as republicans love to point out, it's still much more democratic but the gaps have closed.  That means either less Democrats are voting in total (unlikely), more Republicans are voting in total (unlikely), more of both are voting (unlikely), or that more Democrats and less Republicans will be voting on Election Day (the consensus opinion).

And we know some of the stats to at least have an idea of who's going to get more of the mail-in ballots.  If they've finished counting the Election Day votes in Pennsylvania and she's winning?  Then she's winning big.  Even if they finished counting and he's only up a little, she's probably winning big (or at least big enough to call even before a lot of those votes are actually counted).

And I think there will be signs.  Female turnout.  Minority turnout.  White turnout.  There are people that are going to be able to see things that most people can't, and I think we're going to know pretty early whether the polls were right and it's going to take days or if the polls were wrong (in either direction) and it'll just drag out until people feel comfortable officially calling it.  I could be wrong, but I feel like we felt pretty good the next day that Biden was going to win.

I'm hoping and praying for a safe day with no violence.

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I just don't have the time or desire to deal with people who have a disposition where they think they know everything, and have no desire to admit that they are wrong if presented with the real facts and evidence proving them wrong..

I'm right there with you.

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That was very insightful - thank you for posting it! smile

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I forgot to share a story from the weekend.  The area that I live in is trending blue but is still pretty red.  There's a number of Trump signs that I glare at angrily as I drive by.  A number of homes in my neighborhood have Trump signs in their front yards, and I make sure to not look directly at their houses as I walk by with or without my children.  I judge them, and I don't feel good about that.  They are my neighbors, after all.

On Saturday, I was out with my youngest daugher.  She'd been good all week, and I was taking her to the park and out to lunch as a reward.  In between the park and lunch, I had to take some items to the UPS store to return them to their respective stores.  As I pulled up, I noticed a young teenager (my guess is 13 but as I've gotten older, teenagers are looking younger and younger so I suppose he could've been as old as 16 or 17) taking boxes into the store with his mother.  He was wearing a red hat.

Now despite living in a fairly red area, I've only seen two MAGA hats in the wild.  One was at a local nursery (for plants, not children).  He was friendly enough as he saw me with my family, but I did not smile back at him.  We passed each other a couple times in the rows of plants, and I exchanged no pleasantries with him.  He was making a political statement and I gave him no reaction.

This was different.  He's a kid.  Is this a kid who likes Donald Trump enough to want a hat?  Do his parents love Trump enough to get their kid a hat?  Or they let their kid wear that hat?  Do they feel comfortable enough letting their child wear a hat for a felon?  Knowing that they're opening up their kid to political thoughts from both sides?  The man at the nursery that was possibly looking for reactions from both sides was one thing, but this was a kid.

I walked in with my daughter holding my items.  He came in right behind me, and I could see from my periphery that he was, again, holding a stack of boxes in his hands.  As a good Texan boy, I knew it was good manners to hold open the door for him.  He needed my help, and it was my duty to help.  And if he hadn't been wearing that hat, I would have happily done it with a friendly Texan smile.

But he was wearing the hat.  And so, for a moment, I thought about ignoring him and letting him figure out a way into the door.  I didn't see him in my direct vision, after all, and could've easily gotten away with saying that I hadn't seen him.  And if I hadn't been there, he would've had to have opened the door by himself anyway.  And I was holding my own items and my daughter's hand.  I wasn't exactly free.

But I opened it.  I thought about how little I wanted to make a scene in front of my daughter who has no idea who Trump is or what MAGA is or why her dad was arguing with some kid.  I opened the door, he thanked me, and I said nothing.  I didn't look at him or smile.  I did the bare minimum.

And I hated feeling that way.  Again, this kid can't vote, and I have no idea what led him to wear that hat.  Maybe his whole family is conservative and he doesn't know the terrible things that Trump has done or said.  One of the biggest news from the weekend was young voters discovering the Access Hollywood tape and playing it on TikTok for each other.  If he was 13, he would've been 9 when Trump left office.  He might have no idea what January 6th was about any more than I knew about the Oklahoma City bombing when I was around that age.

Maybe he is a little Christian nationalist, white supremacist, future Nazi, but so could any of the kids I passed that day that weren't wearing red hats.  I didn't judge any of them because their clothing gave me no indication of their political beliefs.

And that's what I hate about Trump the most.  The guy is a criminal and a monster and if he wins tomorrow, he will make the world less safe for myself and my kids.  I desperately want him to lose tomorrow so I can stop worrying about this stupid election like I have for the last year+.  But what I hate about him the most is how much he's making me look down upon my neighbors, fellow Texans, and fellow Americans.  I don't want to hate people for their political beliefs.  I don't want to hate some kid because he's wearing a hat.  I want to be able to open a door and help someone and not avoid eye contact.

And, God willing, tomorrow we can put his stupid crusade to rest.  I know there will be battles ahead, but tomorrow is the day we can defiantly scream "NO" into the face of fascism and prepare to defend that decision until Kamala Harris can take office.

I'm terrified of tomorrow, but I'm hopeful.  And I'm ready.

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Yeah, I just can't lump in 70 million people to be like that guy.  I refuse to do to them what they've done to you/us.  When you de-humanize people, it becomes okay to eliminate them.  I don't want Trump voters to die, and I don't think you do either.  We gotta keep our eyes on who the real enemy is, and we can defeat him as soon as tomorrow.

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Grizzlor wrote:

Agatha was entertaining, but as usual, too short.  Just as you're getting into it, cliffhanger ending.  Very frustrating.

Interesting, you didn't feel like it was a completed first season?  There's certainly more to the story but I didn't feel like it cut off in the middle of a season.  I would expect this story to either get picked up in a second season of Agatha or maybe something like the Vision show or Young Avengers.

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Happy to jump in here.

I think Biden has been overall very good, but I don't think he's done himself or Kamala any favors.  I have been saying, along with Grizzlor, that there were easy wins to be had at the border.  I think the border bill was the right thing to do in a pre-Trump area, but I think it was foolish to think that Trump would let Biden have a win like that in a Senate that Trump basically runs.  There were things that Biden could've done that could've shut that issue down without endangering anyone or being less humanitarian.  John Oliver did a good piece on the border a while back talking about how Biden is *way* better than Trump on the border but we can still do much, much better.

I also think that he needed to have navigated Ukraine and Gaza better.  I don't know if he and Blinken have been the best at world politics this term.  And obviously, I think the thing that Biden could've done better at is promoting Kamala and putting her in a position to succeed.  The border is toxic for Democrats and if he wasn't going to be more hawkish there then he really needed to keep her as far away from it as possible on the chance that he wasn't going to run again.  They needed to put her front and center on some easy wins - obviously not at the expense of Biden getting credit for his own wins.  But some area where Biden was already popular on that they could get her approval rating up.  She's obviously gotten better at this stuff since 2020, and he could've used her.

But I don't think it's super fair to say that Biden's approval rating means he's been terrible.  People blame him for inflation (not his fault) and don't like him because of his age.  I also think we should get used to low approval ratings for all presidents in this environment.  The opposing party will not approve just because, and I think it's reasonable for people in the president's party to say they don't approve of the job he's doing.  I think the days of the president getting a positive approval rating are done.

And as far as valid reasons to vote for Trump, I still think a number of people are voting for the lives they had in 2016-2019 (they forget about 2020 or group it in with Biden's years).  If you don't pay attention to politics or watch cable news, it's easy to forget or not care about who's president.  It's easy to miss the things that Trump says or does.  I'm sure plenty of people have missed the violent rhetoric and are simply thinking "I liked my life better when he was president"

And while that's ignorant and naive, I do think it's valid.

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The Iowa poll has the potential to be huge if Selzer is right.  If Midwesterners are really flipping to Harris over Trump (maybe because of tariffs?) then she's going to sail to victory.  And as Grizzlor mentioned, the Kansas poll and the Nebraska 2nd district poll are more signs that something is going on.

Nate Silver has said that there's a ridiculous amount of herding going on in polls.  And there seems to be an idea that pollsters are terrified of being wrong again so they're calling every poll a tie and essentially punting on the election cycle.  If Trump wins by 2-3 points, they can say margin of error.  If Harris wins by 2-3 points, they can say margin of error.  They made no official pick and can blame margin of error as a unit.

But some of the smaller, focused polls in specific areas that people really understand are going to Harris.  I'm not ready to declare victory by any stretch, but I feel pretty confident that she's going to win.  I'm praying that it's evident tomorrow night and I can continue to get peaceful sleep, but I just don't know.  As I've said all along, she just needs to get 270, but every state she gets above 270 will make it harder for Trump to successfully steal it.   

I do worry that the bigger her win, the more violence there might be (because it might look to certain people as being more rigged), but I think it's going to be hard to get enough support to overturn a bunch of states.

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I think Agatha All Along was really good.  For a show I wasn't all that excited about, I think it was pretty great.  Two comments:

1. It was easily the most LGBT show that the MCU has produced.  I have no idea if this show is being shown internationally, but I'm curious how they'd edit around everything to get it aired in China

2. With the same people making this and Wandavision, I think they should be the Kevin Feiges of Marvel Television.  Both of those shows are exactly what Marvel Television needs to be, and they should oversee it all.  In addition to making whatever comes next from this corner of the MCU.

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Yeah that's too many two-syllable words for Trump.

I've been reading some analysis from people on the ground.  It was from a Democratic guy on the ground, but he said in Wisconsin everything but the polling leans towards Harris.  That the Republicans don't really have a ground game or even much of an appearance of a ground game.  Heard similar things in Arizona and a couple other swing states.  The only thing that's pointing toward a potential Trump victory is a) the polling and b) the idea that the polling isn't leaning to the Republicans enough.

Early voting is obviously leaning Democrat but it's also really leaning female.  So either the women of this country are going to save us or are currently stabbing us in the back (and shooting themselves in the foot).  I think Democrats need to keep doing what they're doing but I also think Democrats need to surprise a bit on Election Day. 

And hoping beyond hope that Democrats are doing whatever they can to prepare for anything the MAGA base is going to try and to do disrupt voting or destroy votes.

I feel fairly confident that we got this, but I don't know how to incorporate illegal activities into my analysis.  So I'm just going to hope that someone else is considering all the ways this could go wrong.

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I don't even know if it's that complicated.  I think they've been lied to enough that they just believe it.  It's The Truman Show or Room (not The Room).  People accept the reality that's in front of them.  And if you're in an echo chamber where the only facts you see come, essentially, from Donald Trump...then you accept what he says.  Remember that a lot of these people live in communities where everyone votes for Trump.  Their families vote for Trump.  Online, they've built their online world to only accept right-leaning opinions.

So when your world looks like that, how else would you think?  Literally every opinion they see is pro-Trump and literally every opinion they see is anti-Democrat.  In their whole sample size, no one supports Harris.  And yet you want to tell them that in these faraway cities with their billionaires and super-crime and godlessness, they're all voting for some woman?  When literally no one I know even likes her or respects her?  When Trump has PROOF that it's all rigged?

I think it's as simple as that.  Lies that are spoken and reinforced a million times over that become the truth.

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So I guess two things:

1. I don't remember, at all, the episode "Combat" nor the character of Titan.  But I looked up a recap, and it seems like it was one of those "bad guy is in a fight and ends up impaled by accident" - let me know if that's incorrect

2. I think my philosophy on Clark is still heavily based on the idea that Clark is responsible for humans (and other non-powered beings) but not super-powered beings.  Whether it's the idea that Clark is "an adult living among children" from (cancelled) or Clark "living in a world made of cardboard" from Justice League Unlimited, I think Clark's actions should represent that responsibility.  I don't really even have a problem with Cavill's Clark killing Zod in Man of Steel because I think Zod would've easily killed millions (billions?) of people if given the chance.  Zod was basically a crazy person with a gun, and Clark was the nearest policeman.

I do think that Clark has a responsibility, as one of the strongest beings in the universe, to protect people from themselves as much as possible.  So Clark's first move shouldn't be to execute someone if there's any other way to save people.  I like a Clark that will jump in front of a kyptonite bullet to save even one person.  But I think if Clark, of sound mind, decides that the only way to save people is to kill, I think it's okay according to whatever system of justice exists in my head for Clark.

But even that, I think, has a limit.  In the Snyder Cut, I had no problem with the Justice League beheading Steppenwolf because I think he was a threat (and I'm not 100% sure what that version of the Justice League was supposed to do with a captured Steppenwolf).  I did think it was bizarre for Superman to cut off Steppenwolf's horn with his heat vision when he didn't really seem to be a threat.  One, I think, fits the definition of justice.  One was overly cruel.

I have no idea if I answered your question.

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I'd be shocked if she went on Rogan before Election Day.  I think she should've done it too, but I think the impact would be pretty small at this point.

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Here's some more information that I find comforting

https://unrollnow.com/status/1851339376196010260

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Crowd sizes are a tricky metric.  Trump had much bigger crowd sizes than Biden (which was strategic on both sides).  Harris certainly has more crowd enthusiasm right now.  Trump's less-than-full rallies might not be an indication of less enthusiasm as opposed to just a lack of interest in seeing Trump give the same speech the millionth time.  People lined up around the block to see Star Wars in 1977, but if your local cinema decided to show Star Wars today, you'd probably only get a handful of people.  It doesn't mean people don't love Star Wars any more or less than they did in 1977....but they've seen it.

Now there's undoubtedly an enthusiasm around Kamala which we wouldn't have gotten from Biden.  And I'm hoping the early vote numbers are indicative of that.  I hope that for every 5 GOP-registered votes, at least one of them is for her.  I hope for every five independent votes, three or four are for her.  But really that's all we can do right now is hope.

I'm sorta at peace about it.  In a week we'll know whether the polls were right or which direction they were wrong.  I'm excited about the chance that she wins, but I'm also nervous about her losing.  I watched the Carville video you shared, and I'm with him.  I'm certain she'll win but only in a "I just don't believe that people want fascism" kind of way more than anything quantitative. 

And I know that there's still going to be a lot of work to do after Tuesday if she wins, and so I'm just trying to enjoy every day before that all starts up.

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I'm not fully certain, but I think things are shifting.  I've completely abandoned looking at polls because those waters have been poisoned by conservative polls.  But if you look at all the vibes - how Republicans are manipulating both polling and betting markets, how desperate Trump seems, how he's already talking about election fraud, and how overly optimistic Republican insiders seem to be...this is all signs of a campaign that is shifting toward claiming that the election was rigged.  They're going to say "we were up big in the polls, we were up big in the betting markets, etc"

Oddly enough, I'm less worried about Trump's plan to overturn the election as long as Democrats win the House (and they have an okay chance of having a 50/50 Senate).  He's not going to be president and he's not going to have as many resources to fight back as he did when he was in the White House.  What I'm more worried about at the moment is what we're seeing in Arizona, Oregon, and Washington where votes are being destroyed by rogue Republicans.  I think she can win on a fair vote, but I'm worried that the Republicans are going to do what they can to destroy as many votes as possible.  So hoping that Democrats continue to bank as many early votes as possible.

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Grizzlor wrote:

Biden's chip program is a flop.  The green initiatives have gotten little to nowhere.  The "Inflation reduction act" has not seen significant real-world inflationary control.

I don't know if any of that is true.  The first two are, at least, steps in the right direction.  The last one is just wrong.  Inflation has gone down immensely from just a couple of years ago, and it's back to pre-pandemic levels.  The problem is that people don't understand that lowering inflation doesn't mean lower prices.  It means slowing down the increase of prices.  If you want prices to go down to 2019 levels, you need deflation which can be just as bad (or worse) than inflation.

Republicans benefit from both sides, though.  They complain about prices when Democrats are in charge, and Republican voters happily pay higher prices when Republicans in charge.  They care about spending when Democrats are in charge, and Republican voters don't care if spending goes up when Republicans are in charge.  Basically, there's no accountability because Republican voters don't care about lower prices or government spending or abortion or any of it.  They just care about winning.  That's why the Republican party has no platform.

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I'm also cautiously optimistic.  I'm not as confident as I was for Biden but I feel like the chances are greater than 50/50.  I just really have trouble understanding the demographics of this race.  She's winning all women, all college educated, she's regained a lot of the minority support that Biden had.  She's winning a decent number of registered Republicans (although those could be intermingled with the college educated and the women and even some of the minorities).  Trump isn't pulling similar number of registered Democrats.

How is this race 50/50 (even nationally....allegedly) when Trump is literally only winning among uneducated white people?

I also think there will be some people that will tell pollsters they're voting for Trump but will actually vote for Kamala.  Wives of Trump supporters.  It's just going to be impossible to know until Election Day.  It could either be a landslide for Kamala, a landslide for Trump (if polling error is like 2020), or a really close race.  At this point, I'm more worried that Trump supporters are going to destroy legitimate Kamala votes than that she won't get enough votes.

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So the Puerto Rico stuff.  It gained a ton of traction online, and I wonder if that traction ends up doing anything.  Puerto Ricans are mad, and there are Puerto Ricans everywhere.  My question is:

1. Are the people that are mad already Kamala voters?
2. Are there any Trump voters who are mad enough to switch?
3. If there are people that are mad that aren't yet registered, is there time in the state they're in to get registered?

Like in Texas, we have a ton of Puerto Ricans but if they aren't registered, their anger gets us nowhere because it's too late to register.  In some of the swing states, there's same-day registration but not all.  And I don't know what percentage of registered Puerto Ricans in swing states were already voting for Harris.

There's also the issue of the fact that Trump himself didn't say it, even if it was at his rally, and that Trump can fairly easily distance from it.  But I think there's a decent chance that this sways at least some people.  And again, every vote hypothetically could make a difference.

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There's new rumors about the bombshell report that will "end" the Trump campaign.  Now it's rumored to have something to do with the Butler assassination attempt.  At this point, it either needs to be released in the next day or so I don't think it matters.  It might not matter anyway

I wonder if they try to find someone like Tom Holland who looks like a teenager even though he's *ALMOST 30* and then age up Damian to 16?

Otherwise, I assume they allow him to age normally.  But even then I think he's gotta be older than 10 or we're in a Walt from LOST situation.  A reference I assume you don't get big_smile

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Grizzlor wrote:

Stephen A. is no Republican though.  The ESPN guy?  Not a chance, but he's a great orator, and hates the Dallas Cowboys like me, ha ha.

He said a bunch of times that he would've voted for basically any Republican other than Trump.  I did a little more research and he's never openly come out in favor of either party and says he is a registered Independent.  He says he has voted Democrat a lot in the past, but he's also been pretty equally critical of both parties.

Either way, he did God's work last night on Hannity, and I think his "I would've voted for any other Republican" probably endeared him to the standard Fox News viewer that doesn't know any better than I did.  I can say pretty safely that he's probably one of the few people that's fairly trustworthy who's going to go on Fox News and let Republicans know that it's okay not to vote for Trump.

This is good.

For perpetuity, I'm very excited about James Gunn's universe.  I like that there's going to be consistency across all media, and I like that there's a singular plan.

My only issue is that we're, again, going to have a younger Superman with an older Batman (presumably).  But I also think it would be a cool idea to have Batman show up in Superman (2025) as a newbie, have a bunch of movies where Batman isn't around (but maybe is referenced) and the next time he shows up, he's already created the Bat-family.

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Stephen A Smith went on Hannity last night, and I think he might've actually been one of Kamala's best surrogates even though he doesn't particularly like her.

- He's a black Republican who said he would've voted for any Republican but Trump
- He tore Trump apart
- He out Hannityed Hannity

I think he spoke to a segment of the Fox News audience that thinks of themselves as conservative/Republican and is uncomfortable with Trump.  I think someone speaking emphatically about those same issues might influence some people.  Enough to make a difference?  Probably not.  But maybe.

And my spare room is currently filled with my mother's dialysis supplies and I cannot find the air mattress, so I am not sure I can offer Rob and his wife and kids a place to stay if he moves to Canada.

Very generous but unnecessary.  If we have to flee the country, we will be able to take care of ourselves. smile

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Grizzlor wrote:

The Trump vote will not care, doesn't matter what the "bombshell" is.  Each attack on his putrid character they take as an attack on them.  It's a waste of time.  People who vote transactional, are going to do it based on issues they judge on.  That's usually economic, and perhaps some chief executive questions around immigration or foreign policy.  These are low information, low engagement, low propensity voters.

I agree with some of this and I definitely agree with the pessimism, but I don't know if it's fair to say "the Trump vote will not care" because there have been things that have convinced people to leave Trump that previously voted for him.  There are a substantial number of Republicans that are going to vote for her, and that's why even the early vote stuff may not matter.  People that switched to her almost certainly didn't switch their registrations.  I mean Texas doesn't have party registration, but I voted in the Republican primary (to vote against Trump) and so I'm technically a Republican if you look at the data.

I agree that MAGA won't care.  But whatever percentage of the Trump vote that isn't MAGA (and hasn't already voted) is available.  If he did kill someone or come out against Jesus or he admitted that he's paid for a bunch of abortions or whatever that would matter.  If he dropped an N-bomb or came out and said how much he loves Hilter (instead of it being second hand), people wouldn't vote for him.  And if the polls are right, a small fraction of his voters in the right states would absolutely make a difference.

Non-MAGA Trump voters are making the wrong decision in my head, but I do think they have a breaking point.  It just depends on where it is.  I don't think most people care about the economy enough to vote for a murderer or a Nazi or a pedophile.

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I read that.  On behalf of the daughter of the donor, I hope the story isn't true.  If the story is true, I obviously hope that my fellow Americans realize that maybe Trump isn't the innocent man people somehow believe that he is, and they reject him on election day.

I just don't have a whole lot of faith in that.  The true MAGA folks will think it's fake no matter who verifies it, and I think a lot of Trump voters know that he's a criminal and a monster and just don't care.  I've been disheartened by a lot of people saying "look, I know he's not a good person and I know he's done bad things, but I think he's going to fix the economy" or whatever.  And so I don't think anything, including him killing someone on Fifth Avenue, is going to cause them to switch.

Now.  If it is true.  And if it gets released.  And if its believable and corroborated and people believe it....I don't see how it doesn't tip the election enough to win it for Harris.  Because it just wouldn't take that many people not voting for him (set aside anyone switching to her) for her to win.  If the polls are to believed, this election is essentially a coinflip and it doesn't take much for a coinflip to go from heads to tails.

But, God Almighty, I hope this man loses and we can soon forget about him.

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We have two DC threads:

DC Superheroes on TV (CW & HBO Max)
DC Superheroes in Film (Theatrical and Streaming)

This is just one stupid man's opinion, but I worry that there might be some confusion with the HBO Max part of that because Lanterns is DCU but is TV and will air on Max.  I think it makes more organizational sense to have all the James Gunn stuff in one place particularly since they'll all tie together.  So my recommendation would be to have one thread for Arrowverse/non-DCU and the other for the DCU (Theatrical and Streaming) but as I'm typing this out that might not be any less confusing.

Like I said I'm a stupid man big_smile

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I watched both videos.  Definitely calming.  We should two weeks from today, I would think.  But wouldn't it be amazing if we even knew on election night?

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I didn't know where to put this (maybe we need to rename the DC Threads to CW/Arrowverse and DCU) but I decided to put this here because it's technically not DC related.  But I watched Rebel Ridge on Netflix, and the star of that (Aaron Pierre) has been cast as John Stewart in the Lanterns show.  Not only is the movie really engrossing and entertaining, but I think he's great in it.  I think he also has really powerful eyes that almost look "Green Lantern-y" in certain angles, and I think he's gonna be really good.  I know there's some criticism that he's not a dark-skinned person like John Stewart is traditionally, but I think he's gonna do great.

If you're interested in Lanterns, I think checking out some of the movie will make you feel great about the casting.

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So the consensus among people seems to be that Kamala going to Texas is about attention and bringing the national discourse to abortion.  Which, I get.  But early voting has been female-leading so far, and the campaign has been fairly focused on abortion.  Maybe this turns out some pro-choice people, but I feel like it's pretty late in the game to be doing that.  I don't know the registration rules in the battleground states, but I think it's too late to register in Texas and voting has already started.

I really, really want to believe that the internals just look really good.

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I'll add this to my watch later playlist.  I need as much positive juice as possible.

Apparently, the focus of the Houston event will be abortion.  Which obviously is a huge topic, but I don't think it really answers the question.  An abortion rally with Kamala helps Allred, but does it really help Kamala?  A rally in Texas gives her some national publicity which could maybe help her in the battleground states, but I assume it makes more sense for Allred to have an event with Kamala in Michigan than anything else.

But I think Kamala going to Texas should limit some of the fears that Michigan or Wisconsin is in danger.  If it was, I assume she'd be there instead, Allred be d*mned.

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Very interesting.  Kamala is campaigning with Allred in Houston this week.  I'm super fascinated with this because I wonder what it's saying about her internals.  I would think that if the race was as close as the polling implies, she should be spending every possible second in one of the battleground states.  Campaigning with Allred, who I don't expect to win, seems like a waste of time.  Even if the Allred race is looking better than we think, if we lose the White House but pick up one seat in the senate, is that worth it?  I'd rather win the White House and lose the Senate.  Or obviously have Kamala campaign in the battlegrounds and get someone else to campaign with Allred in Houston (Beto, Liz Cheney, one of the Obamas, etc).

So this is either a really weird strategy (as weird as Trump campaigning in California or New York), or something is happening.  There's a sense in Democrat circles that Harris is winning by more than we think.  The way Trump is acting, the way Harris is campaigning, the money on the ground, the people on the ground, and some of the crosstab stuff we're seeing is making people think.  I don't know if that's the case, but for her to come to Texas, I think one of these needs to be true:

1. Her internal data is so confident that she will win that they're willing to donate some of her time to Allred to try and get her a blue senate
2. She's going to be in Houston for some sort of VP work, and her internals look good enough that she's not rushing to a nearby battleground state (Arizona or Georgia would be a quick trip) to maximize her time
3. She's doing something at the border and has time to swing by to help Allred.  But basically the same point as #2 except if she's going to the border, why wouldn't she go to the Arizona border to do two birds with one stone?  And is there enough time to maximize on some sort of border stunt?
4. Allred is close enough that they're looking to make some sort of push to get people out.  But is Kamala the right surrogate for that if the race is really super close?  Beto, Liz Cheney, Mayor Pete, or someone else would probably make more sense so that Kamala and Walz can keep their eyes on the prize.
5. Kamala is losing by so much that it doesn't matter if she campaigns or not, and this is some sort of investment in trying to energize the Texas Democrats with the idea of flipping Texas in the future.  I don't buy that, and if she's actually losing by a ton, I don't think she'd even help with that.  If that's the case, they'd be better off sending Obama.

I guess the other options are 6) something I'm not thinking of, 7) it's some kind of meaningless thing that doesn't say anything, or 8) it's just a mistake by the Harris campaign.  I think 7 and 8 are basically the same thing because if there's no reason to go, she's wasting a precious campaign day on a race that neither person can win.  It's the same kind of stupid mistake Trump is making with his rallies in California and New York.

Anyone have any perspective?

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pilight wrote:

I voted! That means I won't see any more political ads, right?

I think in a few years when media gets more personalized, this needs to be a thing.

It's crazy to see the ads between Allred and Cruz.  Cruz is obviously more nervous than he's been.  I assume he's still going to win semi-comfortably, but they're needing to spend more money than they usually do.  Cornyn has been a senator for forever here, and I don't think he's ever needed to do an ad.

But there's two ridiculous things about Crus:

1. He's almost completely pivoted off the border because Allred has outflanked him.  Allred has talked about how he's pushed back on Biden, and he's done a bunch of ads where he's supported by Border Patrol.  In fact, Allred is hammering Cruz on his own inaction on the border, including how he likes to play "dress up" and go down to the border but accomplish nothing.

2. Cruz's ads are exclusively about transgender kids playing sports and transgender prisoners getting surgeries.  That's all Cruz is running on.  And it's so funny that Trump essentially calls America a Third World wasteland, but Cruz seems to think everything in Texas is incredible under his leadership outside of transgender issues.  Which I think is so dumb, and I don't understand how this can even be top 50 on issues that people should care about.

Obviously my attention is mostly on Kamala, but I would love almost nothing more than Cruz to lose.  Although I also worry that Texas' election laws would illegally overturn an Allred victory so I'm not putting too much hope (or money) into it.

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Early voting opened today in Texas.  Going to go and vote for Kamala and Allred (and all democrats) tomorrow hopefully!

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Yeah I think Rosenberg is right.  She has more money, a stronger campaign setup, a younger candidate with more energy, and a desire to reach out to people in the middle.  There are obviously some concerns in the blue wall, but as QuinnSlidr likes to say, the votes will tell the story soon enough. 

I'm hoping that the polls are underestimating Kamala and that she can get a fairly boring win in a couple of weeks.  I know that we have to get through a couple of months of Trump nonsense even if she wins, and but I'll happily gear up for that fight because it means that she's already received more votes.  But if polls are underestimating her support among black Americans, Hispanics, or white women, I think she should have enough.

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I really hope that's right.

I'm getting to a place where I'm exhausted by the process.  I'm nervous about the election and what it says about the country.  I do think it's a test for the country's soul, and I really don't want us to fail it.  We are so close to ending this menace, and I know there's a bigger fight coming afterwards even if we win.  So I'm trying not to pay too much attention.  I can vote next week, and I'm going to try to join a call bank for Allred if I can.  But everything is either inconclusive or muddied, and it just doesn't make me feel any better.

I just hope she wins.  And I'm trusting that her stronger campaign and more money will help.

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Two more notes:

1. I think Harris is going to benefit from the media coverage that Trump usually benefits from.  From what I've seen, there's been mostly clips that don't paint either side in a bad light, and the headlines seem mostly positive.  If you were a person who didn't watch and won't seek out clips, you might be inclined to be impressed that she went on a hostile network and that it went pretty well.

2. Trump did a Univision town hall and from what I've seen, it didn't go well.  I'm hoping that undecided voters see the disparity between Trump and Kamala.  If she's going to lose black men, she's going to need to make up for those voters with white women or Hispanics.

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I watched clips of the Fox News interview.  I thought Bret Beier would be fair, but someone must've convinced him to be combative and argumentative.  I think Kamala handled herself pretty well, but I can also see why she might not be as polished in interviews.  She didn't always keep her cool, but I think she did a pretty good job overall in a really hostile interview.

Online, Democrats and Kamala supporters thought she was very brave for doing the interview at all and thought she did a great job all things considered.  Republicans and Trump supporters thought she was terrible and that it ended her campaign.  In other words, the Kamala voters saw what they wanted to see and the Trump voters saw what they wanted to see.  And because of that, I don't really think much was gained or lost by the interview on the whole.

However...

I think there's a decent chance that non-MAGA Fox viewers might've been impressed by the way she stood up for herself.  Maybe even the wife/husband of a Trump voter might've been convinced to vote for her.  She was probably hated by the majority of the normal Fox viewers that tuned in.  But there's a chance that a few viewers here and there were impressed.  And maybe those are the voters that will decide the election.  So while I don't know if she accomplished a ton going on Fox, maybe she accomplished enough.

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ireactions wrote:

I think Kamala going on FOX and Rogan demonstrates the willingness to reach beyond diehards and to reluctant voters.

Yeah exactly.  She needs to reach Republicans that are irritated by Trump but haven't been convinced by Cheney and other Republicans moving to her.  Maybe they need to hear from her directly.  I know some people who only watch Fox News, and maybe this is what those people need to get on board with her.

And she needs to do better with men.  She'll reach a lot of men.  Even if they don't vote for her, I think a lot of people will respect that she even went on there.  And I think Trump fans are going to think she's going to bomb so if she doesn't, it might upend their worlds a little bit.

Hillary lost because her campaign was terrible and she made a bunch of mistakes.  Kamala may lose, but I think she's running an excellent campaign.  If she loses, I think it was completely out of her control.

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

3. Kamala is also apparently going on Joe Rogan.

Not a fan of Joe Rogan here, but I never thought I'd see the day that this would happen.

Yeah, I don't like Rogan at all, but I like the move.  Rogan has complimented her recently, and his listeners claim to be open minded.  If she can convince even a fraction of his audience to a) vote for her b) not vote for Trump or c) not vote at all if they were going to vote for Trump, that's a win.  Again, Trump has set the bar for her really low so if she can successfully get through a podcast with Rogan, I think people are going to come out impressed.

She's definitely reaching new voters in recent weeks, and Trump continuously only feeds his base.

He had an extremely bizarre "town hall" last night and a really weird interview about the economy today.  It seems like some mainstream media is finally starting to cover Trump's mental decline.  Again, we need voters to vote for Kamala or current Trump voters to simply not vote for Trump (or not vote at all).

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A couple interesting developments:

1. Kamala Harris has released her medical records and is punishing Trump on the idea that he won't release his.  It's getting some national traction.  It obviously won't lead to Trump releasing anything, but maybe if it gets enough attention, it can bring back "Trump is old and obviously in decline" back into the national discussion in the next few weeks.

2. Kamala is doing an interview on Fox News.  This will be the first time that I assume a lot of Fox News viewership will get exposed to a one-on-one interview with her.  If Cheney-like Republicans are willing to give her a chance and willing to vote for her, it could be a great opportunity to make a difference.  And just like point #1, there is zero chance that Trump would go onto a hostile network and face tough questions.

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I agree with all that.  I will say that in some of Landis' other videos (for example, his rewrite of the Death and Return of Superman), he does go into detail about his appreciation for Clark (the person) being one of Clark's superpowers.  When he's confronted with other Kryptonians, Clark rejects them because he sees himself as being from Kansas, not from Krypton.  Surprisingly (or, perhaps, unsurprisingly), it makes me remember how our boardmate in exile used to think about Clark and how a non-American couldn't play him. 

I do think that one of my issues with Cavill is that he never seemed to embrace his own humanity and quickly embraced his Kryptonian side when that was revealed to him.  Other versions of Clark have friends and interests on Earth and a true interest in the planet and its people.  Cavill's Clark doesn't seem to have any friends outside of Lois and turns on the planet almost immediately after she's lost to him (in the Knightmare world).  But please note that this is almost certainly not on Cavill but on American Zach Snyder who seems to misunderstand Clark (at least my understanding) on a basic level.

One of my favorite Clark moment from Smallville is this one between Bart and Clark.  Bart says that he has no reason to stay in Smallville, and Clark, very innocently, says "you have me" with so much kindness and hope in his voice.  Clark can literally do anything or go anywhere, and he's gotta make Bart feel like he's the only one on the planet at that moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLYEExrAEJI

Or when Clark is still trying to save Lex in the series finale.  That's the Clark that I want to believe in.

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It's Max Landis.  He did a video on Superman after Man of Steel and he was refuting the idea that classic Superman was boring.  And I'll paraphrase so as not to directly quote him, but his idea (which I'm sure he didn't come up with) is that if you're a Kryptonian on Earth, you have two options: rule the Earth or try to save it.  And instead of absolute power corrupting him, he always makes the right choice.  And he chooses the right choice, which is to be a superhero.  Not because his parents died and he's on revenge or because he feels obligated to.  Just because it's the right thing to do.

He also talks about Superman killing Zod in Man of Steel and rationalizes it because his "no kill policy" is more about living in a world full of metaphorical children than any sort of moral issue.  Not that Superman isn't moral, but he's willing to make hard decisions to save people.  So when he fights Lex Luthor, it's an adult fighting a child.  When he fights Zod, it's an adult fighting an adult.

I just think that kinda clarified things for me about Superman because I kinda agreed that he was boring.  But it clarified things for me, and now I like that personification of Superman.  And I think Hoechlin and Welling make that personification work.

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Yeah, I think he'll come back sooner than later.  I think the show needs him there, and I hope it helps with everyone's grief, including yours.

I agree that Superman doesn't need to be jacked like Cavill was.  In fact, if you take his powers literally, he'd probably need to lift a crazy amount to build any true muscle.  So he'd probably look more like Hoechlin than Cavill.

But my favorite thing about Superman is his undying hope, which I think was personalized well by Tom Welling and I think Hoechlin does a great job with.  Since my favorite analysis of Superman comes from a now-canceled figure, I'll just post this as my favorite personification of Superman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GDNd8b_QOo (my favorite part starts at 2:46)

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I thought it was good. But... I question the merit of doing SUPERMAN AND LOIS where Superman is dead. It seems to defeat the purpose of having a Superman show.

I gotta think, with only ten episodes, Superman comes back in some form pretty soon.  Eradicator or Cyborg Superman or whatever version of Death of Superman they're doing.

But I agree.  I don't think "Lois and Sons" is going to be as compelling vs Brainiac even if one has powers.

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Superman & Lois is back for its final season with two new episodes.  I liked both of them.  I think Tyler Hoechlin is a really good Clark Kent.  I still feel like he's a little small for Superman, but like Tom Welling, I think he has an innocent hopefulness that I feel like Clark should have.  I think he comes across as someone fearless but gentle which I appreciate.

It's an abbreviated final season so it's already 20% done.  And the producers said they'll do something to honor the legacy of the Arrowverse.  Which, of course, we've heard before big_smile

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I don't know why, but optimism from Grizzlor makes me feel better than from anyone else smile