SPOILERS FOR THUNDERBOLTS*
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I really liked Thunderbolts*. I think the movie was a lot of fun, and I think the characters were really good. I agree that Pullman's Bob is really good, and he did a good job of both being very scary and intimidating and being really vulnerable. It's pretty incredible that Marvel was able to get all these huge stars to play, essentially, second-level characters and for a movie about them to be really fun.
We got a movie of:
- Captain America's Friend
- Three characters from the Black Widow movie
- The villain from a forgettable Ant-Man movie
- The secondary villain from the Falcon and the Winter Soldier streaming show
Some of that is a little reductive, but it's all true. And it's a pretty great movie that I think will do well financially.
I would like to focus on a couple of things I didn't really like, though:
- The New Avengers. I know it's played like it's a joke, but it bothered me for two reasons. One, it's not a joke. They are the Avengers, enough for it to really bother Sam Wilson. I understand why Red Guardian would do this, and I think it makes a lot of sense for Yelena, Walker, and maybe Ava. But what is Bucky doing? He was already an Avenger, technically, and it doesn't seem like he ever wanted to be in the spotlight like this. I think it would've been a better character move for him to turn it down.
And it shines a light on the fact that the Avengers are gone...for no reason? I was about to write about how there are a handful of Avengers that are still active, but I guess that's not necessarily true. In fact, I guess Phases 4-6 haven't done a terrible job at explaining where each of the Avengers is:
- Iron Man (Dead)
- Captain America (Retired)
- Hulk (Off world with his son?)
- Thor (Off world with his adopted daughter)
- Hawkeye (Retired?)
- War Machine (Replaced by a Skrull, Retired?)
- Falcon (now Captain America, working solo)
- Spider-Man (forgotten by the Avengers, working solo)
- Captain Marvel (off world)
- Black Panther (T'Challa is dead, Shuri is in Wakanda)
- Ant-Man (Not sure)
- Vison (dead)
- Black Widow (dead)
- Wanda (dead)
- Guardians (not really Avengers, off world)
Every one of those appeared in phases 4-6 or was dead in Endgame. So they've actually done a better job than I thought at referencing why the Avengers aren't around, but they really haven't directly referenced it. It's unclear to me if Hawkeye is actually retired, what the status is of War Machine and Ant-Man, and why none of the new characters have been recruited. It's unclear to me why the Avengers were allowed to be over, even if I understand why individuals aren't active Avengers anymore.
And I think it all links to that scene at the end of Shang-Chi. It seemed like Shang-Chi was in the fold, and it seemed like the Avengers existed in some form at that time. I know Carol has space stuff to do, and Bruce was still around. So when Bruce did his stuff from She-Hulk...did he just leave and the Avengers building was just empty?
I get that we're going to get a lot of this in Avengers: Doomsday, but it just feels super disorganized that it hasn't been referenced. Why all these characters felt comfortable leaving the Earth defenseless, and no one thought that was a problem. I think they've done an okay job of answering the job piecemeal, but like a lot of phases 4-6, it just doesn't feel cohesive. And this random team being introduced as the New Avengers and then that just being okay just feels weird to me.
I also wish they'd gotten Sam to show up in the post-credits. In fact, I wish Brave New World was more about this than what it was actually about.