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Jacobin contemplates where the Biden presidency lost its way, primarily with the Build Back Better bill being split.
https://jacobin.com/2025/01/biden-domes … res-legacy

Grizzlor wrote:

During the other night's #SlidersRewatch, Jerry actually made a joke about that....

https://x.com/MrJerryOC/status/1875727449256030443

Jerry O'Connell @MrJerryOC · Jan 4
We shot Sliders on 16 Millimeter.  A lot of TV was (at the time).  It is not formatted to our TVs now.  I remember being on set and asking about it and being told: 'We'll be dead when the wider format is the norm.' 
#SlidersRewatch

Seasons 1 - 3 don't look like 16mm film to me.

16mm film has a really distinct look: it's extremely grainy. Extremely grainy looking shows include DAWSON'S CREEK, CHUCK, SCRUBS, VERONICA MARS, YOUNG INDIANA JONES, HIGHLANDER, MY SO-CALLED LIFE and Seasons 1 - 2 of BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER. All were shot on 16mm film.

On these shows, the high grain look, when downscaled to SD, created a sense of texture, detail and made everything look more tactile. However, the 16mm film image, when presented in HD release, can have a high level of graininess that can range from mildly or severely distracting; 16mm film grain in 1080p can look like a layer of static or dirt on the image. At 4K, the grain is even heavier.

16mm grain can also add a certain de-glamorized, down-to-earth feel to a TV show. It can be highly effective for DAWSON'S CREEK, SCRUBS, VERONICA MARS and MY SO CALLED LIFE all being about working and middle class people in urban situations as opposed to a pristine spaceship or a glass and steel law firm.

However, that graininess can seem like an unwanted layer, and a lot of people will use noise reduction filters on their TV to tone it down. In addition, most streaming services will denoise their digital files to reduce file sizes and then add grain back as a filter effect during playback.

16mm graininess would seem very out of place in a show like STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION or ALLY MCBEAL which is about pristine environments (a spaceship, a prestigious law firm).

35mm film, compared to 16mm film, has more sharpness and detail and seems less grainy. This is because as 35mm film is a larger format, the grains are smaller and and finer. 35mm film has a very crisp, clean, crystal clear look with a slight grain texture. The pilot episode and Seasons 2 - 3 look like 35mm to me. Episodes 2 - 9 of Season 1 look like they have the frame rate of film (albeit distorted for 30 fps SD TV and converted back to 24 fps from DVD to modern HDTV), but due to the analog videotape editing format, it may have blurred out the visual markers of 35mm film.

Jerry directed one episode of Season 3 ("Stoker" which looks like 35mm) and four episodes of Season 4. All of Season 4 looks like 16mm to me, so that's likely the film he used for 80 percent of his directing and what he remembers using.

I myself noticed that Seasons 4 - 5 are 16mm because I don't have the high bit rate Universal releases, I have the overcompressed Mill Creek release and the slightly lower resolution for PAL Turbine release, but even in these poor formats, Seasons 4 - 5 look pretty good thanks to the heavy film grain causing the image to better survive the compression.

I suspect that the reason so many TV shows are taking place in this era: it's an enclosed space that won't interfere with bigger budget movie productions.

I'm excited to see the latest season soon!

What kinds of episodes do you see your ideas producing?

Section 31 in DISCOVERY seems integrated into Starfleet, but it's still a top secret division. The black comm badges are presumably not used in actual covert missions. The end of Season 2 orders that all Section 31 involvement be redacted from all official records. I would say that, despite Section 31 being integrated into the chain of command, it's less like the FBI (a public facing agency) and more like the Impossible Missions Force in the M:I movies. I freely admit that this is a stretch and it would have been best if the spy agency in DISCOVERY had been called "Starfleet Intelligence" or even "Section", a distant affiliate of Section 31.

Grizzlor wrote:

The pilot was shot on film though, was it not?  Versus video.  Plus the blu-ray is going the way of the dinosaur.

Every episode of SLIDERS was shot on film: 35mm in the first three seasons, 16mm in the last two. You can tell from the film grain in most of the episodes that it's film. The pilot was clearly edited on film because of its video quality.

The remaining episodes of Season 1 were edited on analog, low resolution videotape, hence their blurry DVD quality. Seasons 2 - 5 were edited on digital videotape, hence their sharpness.

Every episode of SLIDERS except the the post-pilot Season 1 episodes will upscale well enough via AI or even through simple bicubic scaling because digital videotape retains most of the filmic grain that forms the image.

The Season 1 episodes that were edited on analog videotape do not have the film grain needed to create an effective upscaled image.

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We should absolutely be working on bird flu vaccines; it could be the next pandemic.

The rest is interesting opinion.

I guess a simpler explanation might be that the DISCOVERY version of Section 31 is totally destroyed, except the absence of Section 31 simply causes new clandestine agents to take on black ops work on behalf of the Federation as per Article 31 of the Federation Charter and use the Section 31 name for a new organization that has no official ties to Starfleet and operates independently, becoming the Section 31 we see in DEEP SPACE NINE. Again, if Section 31 ceased to exist, someone else would simply create it.

Continuing with this supposition... what if Section 31 found the power to kill or control a Q, and the only way that Q could deal with it was to erase Section 31 from reality? Except that if Section 31 didn't exist, someone would simply create it...

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Media normalization of Trump was one of the biggest issues of 2024. Grizzlor has had his finger to the pulse of lots of things and his predictions have been so right that I have had to cry myself to sleep a few times, but claiming media didn't normalize Trump is not factual.

Massive galactic mindwipe... ?

Fairly or unfairly, Henry Cavill's MAN OF STEEL and BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN were only modestly successful and JUSTICE LEAGUE was a failure. Gunn was brought in to restart the DC Universe, and you don't restart by doing what the last person was doing.

Sorry, my recall was wrong. I thought Akiva Goldsman was working on DISCOVERY in Season 2 when Section 31 showed up, but Goldsman stopped working on DISCOVERY day to day after Season 1, but returned to the franchise for STRANGE NEW WORLDS. He did use the Gorn name for a generic monster on STRANGE NEW WORLDS, but he isn't responsible for the generic Section 31 on DISCOVERY.

Kurtzman didn't become hands on with DISCOVERY until the middle of Season 2 when Aaron Harberts and Gretchen Berg were fired for allegedly abusive behaviour. Kurtzman oversaw the Klingon makeup going back to something more familiar. And for the most part, my recollection is that Section 31 in DISCOVERY was more Akiva Goldsman than Kurtzman. Goldsman has a tendency of writing generic concepts and applying mythic names to them.

Goldsman wrote a generic spy agency and called it Section 31 to make it seem vital rather than make it a less generic spy agency. Goldsman created a generic lizard monster race for STRANGE NEW WORLDS and called them Gorn to make them seem important rather than make them more distinctive characters.

Goldsman is a decent writer at crafting plots and character arcs, but when it comes to enemies and concepts, Goldsman has a tendency to use an interesting name to liven up an uninteresting idea.

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I desperately need to know what Slider_Quinn21 thinks of how NEW BLOOD has been undone.

I guess that's what's weird to me. What is the point of doing a SECTION 31 movie if it isn't about the shadowy, espionage-noir intrigue of Section 31? Why do it at all?

And the DISCOVERY team completely mishandled Section 31, writing them as a totally generic spy organization within Starfleet that just happened to be called Section 31. Section 31 as established in DEEP SPACE NINE is an off the books, black-ops division that officially does not exist and is not acknowledged by Starfleet or Federation authorities. They answer to no one and nothing and do all the dirty work that the Federation doesn't admit to and flat out pretends doesn't happen. But DISCOVERY treated Section 31 like the NSA or CIA when Section 31 is more like the KGB but with no official sanction or existence.

Well, Section 31 is a rogue, black ops division that operates outside Federation law and Starfleet to eliminate anything they deem a threat to the Federation, doing so violently, savagely, ruthlessly, covertly and quietly, answering to no one and nothing. Effectively MISSION IMPOSSIBLE but without the morality. So fans were probably expecting a dark, morally questionable espionage drama, and this SECTION 31 film appears to be... I have no idea what it is, but it's not selling itself as a spy drama.

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Mitt Romney (haha) in his autobiography (of sorts) bemoans how his failed presidential campaign foolishly focused on campaigning to the 'bosses' of America. After losing and after a pleasant lunch with the re-elected Barack Obama, Romney realized that most people in America hate their bosses and he should have campaigned to the people who work for bosses instead as there are a heckuva lot more workers than bosses. "Stupid!" he says of himself.

I'd never support this guy, but I could learn a lot from him.

I mean, I'd mostly like to see STAR TREK: LEGACY, but from a marketing standpoint, it makes sense for a franchise as old as STAR TREK to court a younger audience even as it reaches out to older fans with STRANGE NEW WORLDS and such.

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So, we now know how Dexter is alive and how the ending of NEW BLOOD is undone.

Spoilers: https://www.tvinsider.com/1166482/dexte … n-preview/

I wonder what Slider_Quinn21 makes of this. I have never seen the show, but this whole situation fascinates me.

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There could be a reason why working class voters didn't vote Democrat for president that isn't about why working class voters didn't vote Democrat for president? What kind of tangled convolution is that?

I see we continue our habit of judging and dismissing a series sight unseen.

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Here's an interesting article offering a view on why Kamala Harris and her campaign from wealthy Uber executives and such did not resound with working class people:
https://jacobin.com/2024/12/democrats-o … linton-dlc

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Continuing ruminations on why Democrats lost the election in 2024.
https://www.salon.com/2024/12/13/democr … nt-truths/

"The working-class voters Vice President Kamala Harris’s presidential campaign needed were not moved by talk of joy. They were too angry about feeling broke."

The 2009 movie where Scotty nearly drowns in the watercooling pipes after a transporter mishap struck me as the moment when STAR TREK seemed to re-embrace comedy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSGV2kFhZvU&t=348s

The moment where STRANGE NEW WORLDS seemed to re-embrace comedy on TV for me was the Enterprise Bingo segment in Season 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH4GjcAIvV8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p27sDWHBksg

LOWER DECKS is good. I'm disappointed that it's ending so soon. It looks like the show has hit a point where it's brought in all the new subscribers it can, and they need to shift to a new show to bring in new subscribers.

The original STAR TREK was a very silly show at the start and at the finish, but with some over-serious grimdark misery in the middle. TNG began the trend of TREK becoming Serious Science Fiction, albeit with some straight-laced humour. But it's not until Season 4 of ENTEPRRISE and the 2009 STAR TREK rebootquel that goofy humour came back into the series. DISCOVERY was grimdark too, but LOWER DECKS and STRANGE NEW WORLDS finally brought comedy back into full force.

Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

I feel like if this was Smallville: the Later Years, the show would be fairly similar.  I think Clark wouldn't be Superman, having retired, but I think he may still do work for Sam Lane and the DOD.  I think it would be Clark and Lois retiring to Smallville to raise their kids in peace with Clark wanting a quieter life.  The plot of the show is mostly about Clark Kent anyway so I don't think you'd need to change much.  And if Tom Welling wanted to wear the suit, I think they could've played it exactly like Superman & Lois did.  If they didn't want to, Clark could still stay in the action in his flannel.

I really don't think much would really change.  And now I'm a little sad we didn't get that, as much as I liked the show as we got it smile

Well, I think, in this scenario, Tom would have to wear the suit, but SMALLVILLE VOLUME 2 would still have Clark and Lois returning to Smallville after being unceremoniously laid off or fired from the Daily Planet.

Here's an interesting thought experiment: what if SUPERMAN AND LOIS had featured Tom Welling and Erica Durance?

SMALLVILLE was about Clark as a teenager to their mid-20s. What if Tom Welling and Erica Durance returned to play Clark and Lois in their mid to late 40s? And of course, the continuity and cast of Seasons 1 - 10 would be retained, so Luthor would be Michael Rosenbaum, Sam Lane would be Michael Ironside, and Clark has already fought Bizarro and Doomsday.

What could have stayed the same and what would have had to change? What would have been the story of Clark from his teenaged years to his 70s?

I am super-behind on STAR WARS and I honestly don't know if I'll ever get caught up. I never got around to watching CLONE WARS and I'm currently rewatching the MTV SCREAM series. However, I'm sorry TV has been a mixed bag. It does seem like a waste of time to set so much TV during the short-lived period of the New Republic when we know it all ends in Luke giving up and becoming a hermit. It seems like TV is trying to stay out of the way and leave a clean slate for that new Rey feature film, a bit like the ABC and Netflix Marvel shows trying to steer clear of the movies' territory.

The theme park rides sound like a lot of fun! Did you get to interact with any of the performers playing the characters?

I remember riding the Star Tours ride at Universal Studios a lot when I was a child. I'm sure the experiences today are even more advanced, immersive and compelling.

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A rumination on how Democrats have not evolved to face structural changes in states and electorate, which led to defeat in 2024 and will lead to even more if they don't make urgent changes.
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/democratic … nationally

I did want more of John Henry and Nat and longed for their return... but the show camouflaged it well enough and made it so that the absences, as you said, felt more like story focus than cast unavailability. It'd be interesting to rewatch the series and see which ones are the big budget ones and which ones have been budget-reduced. Certainly, the premiere and the finale are the big spenders.

It was really good. Overall, it was a modern SUPERMAN movie in four chapters. Season 4 did a good job of shifting around the budget to maintain the cinematic flair for enough episodes that the smaller budgeted ones worked as a breather.

Ever since the first season, I'd been musing that Clark could do more for the world with a charitable foundation than with supersaves, so I liked seeing that play out in the finale.

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QuinnSlidr will get an automatic email on Wednesday morning with his login details.

God help me.

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Back to the subject at hand:

Joe Biden betrayed his promise. He vowed a separation of private concerns and public good, promising that he would not pardon his son Hunter. He broke his word.

I don't blame him at all. I totally agree with all the moral and ethical criticisms of what he has done. But given the impending Trump presidency, I cannot blame Biden for taking every step possible to protect his family from the Trump-steered Department of Justice and FBI. It's morally and ethically wrong, as laid out in the parameters set by Biden himself -- but it shows how much Biden must fear the Trump presidency and how short on options, hope, and belief in America he is at this point.

Biden has decided that the shattering of his moral principles and his political legacy at this point is happening regardless of what he does or doesn't do, and has elected to save his son. I hope all fathers would do the same for their children, but it shows how truly dark the world has become.

My father once told me, "Son, if you robbed a bank, I wouldn't hire a lawyer for you, but I would visit you in jail." However, I'd like to think that if my dad thought I'd be targeted for more than just the crimes I committed, he'd come to my aid.

At the same time, I have a lot of room for the views of those who point out that Biden has turned his back on his own declared standards of right and wrong and betrayed the public trust with his actions.

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Out of love, gratitude and respect for Slider_Quinn21, QuinnSlidr's ban will be lifted on Wednesday morning (Eastern Time).

But my mental health really cannot handle any more discussions getting derailed into unproven conspiracy theories and weird accusations of insufficient loyalty to Democrats or fealty to Republicans for the crime of criticizing Democrats and how they lost the election. There probably isn't a single poster here whom QuinnSlidr hasn't accused of treachery or fascism because they didn't buy into his talking points. I only have so much energy in a day and shouldn't be devoting so much of it to monitoring and moderating and addressing this behaviour. I have a day job and my mother needs a lot of attention and care. The only reason I am posting right now is because I am ill at home for the day after my COVID vaccination.

Out of deference to Slider_Quinn21, the ban will be lifted on Wednesday. Because, well, I respect Slider_Quinn21 and I am honour-bound to try things his way even if I foresee only exhaustion and grief waiting for me.

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This is yet another example of you trying to weasel out of your behaviour: you focus on your most recent harassment and minimize or deny it while avoiding how you have a lengthy history of harassment.

Your history includes accusing someone with doubts about Biden of being a Trump supporter; accusing someone who disliked a speech from a black person of being racist; accusing someone who reported Kamala Harris' 2024 loss of being ignorant for reporting basic facts of public record; accusing anyone who didn't buy into unproven election denialism of being a Trump supporter; accusing someone trying to have a serious discussion about pardon powers of demanding respect for Republicans.

You have also repeatedly posted election misinformation to intimidate anyone with criticisms of Democrat politicians and campaigns. You falsely insist that Democrats won. You do this deliberately to make people uncomfortable criticizing Democratic strategy and hesitant to say that Kamala Harris lost the election; you want them to fear your misinformation and accusations.

You are a serial harasser. Your defense is to claim that whatever harassment you engaged in most recently didn't happen while ignoring the massive track record of harassment behind you. It is perfectly clear at this point that despite multiple warnings, you have no intention of curtailing this behaviour.

This track record of repeated harassment and intimidation both overt and subtle is why you are no longer welcome to post here.

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dYou have repeatedly accused anyone who doesn't share your political talking points of being a Trump supporter or a Republican, and now you have done the same with me. I tried to have a sensible, serious discussion about Biden's use of his pardon power, you turned it into another campaign of accusing another poster, in this case, me:

QuinnSlidr wrote:

I will never respect a republican. Ever. Again.

I didn't tell you to respect Republicans. I am absolutely sick of your harassment. You have repeatedly mischaracterized other people's posts, deliberately and willfully.

On multiple occasions, you have falsely accused posters of being racists or Republicans and Trump supporters when they didn't share your talking points of choice or weren't as fervently supportive of the Democratic National Party as you demanded.

You have harassed people for reporting that Kamala Harris lost the election and for not buying into your unproven conspiracy theories.

You are now harassing me by claiming that I demand you respect Republicans when I try to discuss how much threat Biden must see in Trump for Biden to pardon his son Hunter.

This is a clear pattern of harassment in your behaviour.

You have been warned about all your forms of harassment repeatedly, you have been warned that any further harassment in any form will lead to a ban and I am sick of warning you.

This is your final warning, I will not speak to you about it again.

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I am raising a serious subject of threat and danger, morality and ethics, and you are making light of it.

You are deliberately mischaracterizing a call for serious discussion as a demand to respect Republicans, and your mischaracterization is obvious and ridiculous.

Your LOLs are completely inappropriate for the subject matter at hand. If you can't discuss serious subjects seriously, go somewhere else.

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I was not asking you to respect Republicans; I was asking you to show some respect for how Trump is going to use law enforcement agencies to target Democrats and their families and take the threat seriously instead of treating it like a joke.

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You are treating this like a joke. You are fixated on mockery and ridicule.

Trump is trying to have deranged loyalists run the Department of Justice and the FBI and they would most certainly pursue Biden's son for revenge. Biden's family and everyone who's ever opposed Trump -- the Clintons, the Bidens, Jack Smith, Gretchen Whitmer -- they're all going to be targets.

Show some respect and take it seriously.

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Biden pardoned Hunter.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/president-joe … =116358693

He broke his morals, he broke his code, he broke his ethics, he had no choice. Trump is coming after the Bidens, he had to try to save his son.

Probably not Allison Mack!

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Now that it's been six months since I had COVID-19, I am getting my next dose of the COVID vaccine on Sunday.

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Thank you for sharing these, Grizzlor. Always good to see your neat finds and to see Zicree, especially after Torme's passing.

Despite a budget-strapped season, SUPERMAN AND LOIS has been pretty solid and effective at making the isolated episodes with lavish effects feel spectacular enough that the quieter, cheaper episodes are also okay.

There's a lot more happening that I hope to type about in the next few days.

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Here, someone rages about how Democrats fail to offer precarious workers anything.

In the months leading up to the election, The New Republic, The Atlantic, The Guardian, and CNN (those are just the ones I tend to look at) ran a constant parade of articles glibly talking about how awesome the economy is, and how stupid and foolish Americans are to be unhappy with the current state of affairs. Look at the articles; the language could hardly be more condescending.

This is while large swaths of the population are struggling to buy groceries, can never hope to buy a house, can never get started on an independent life, are working ourselves into the ground, and have much less economic status than our parents and grandparents did. Every day we see the contrast between what the elites have and what we don’t. And what little relief we may have felt in our bank accounts during the Covid years has dried up. These celebratory, condescending articles deny what people are living through every day, and they explicitly sneer at people for voicing our plain experience. This is called gaslighting.

I feel that a lot of what circulates in the liberal media bubble is shaped by the fact that most of the writers have never faced eviction, have never been threatened by a rogue cop or an enemy soldier, have never lost the family farm, have never been required to choose between dignity and safety, have never been told that they have to revise their viewpoints if they want to keep a job that they need to survive. You don’t understand our priorities, and you simply don’t see most of the country; you’ve banished us for being too uncouth, and we’ve become invisible. At least until you need someone to make your food, fix your car, or deliver your packages. You simply can’t grasp how residually angry people are, how silenced they feel, or how much we need action and meaningful solutions.

Yes, this includes the specific anger of women and the specific anger of minorities. Obviously. But why should we be angrier with Trump than with the Democrats? The Democrats are the ones who lied and sneered at us and piled on the B.S. while doing basically nothing to help. Trump, for better or worse, intuitively understands this anger and can convincingly claim that he will do some kind of something to try to make it better. The Democrats can’t say that. I mean, they can say it, but nobody’s going to believe them, because all they’ve given us for decades is haughty “messaging” that never translates into substantial, meaningful, fair, and broad-based action. People talk about how Trump is going to take away our rights, and that may well be true, but it’s hard to even care about it when our rights are already thoroughly tiered, hardly existent, and contingent on constricting identity claims, and when every day we confront the stark inequality and looming precarity of our lives.
https://newrepublic.com/article/188669/ … everything

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Democrats seemed to think in 2020 that Trump was a spent force and weren't too concerned about disqualifying or imprisoning him.

That was clearly a mistake.

On a podcast, Mark Guggenheim was asked: why didn't the CRISIS finale episode show the SMALLVILLE universe to confirm that Clark and Lois were still alive and well and not destroyed?

Mark Guggenheim:

Why didn’t we have SMALLVILLE? I’ll be honest with you. I think it was two reasons.

Number 1: it never occurred to me until I got the question on Twitter that people think we did blow up the SMALLVILLE universe. So part of it was that, and part of it was, we had obviously seen Clark and Lois in episode 2. For the most part, the ‘going around the horn’ was to see all the universes and all the characters that we didn’t get to see.

If I could have done it all over again, it would be awesome to just have a shot of Lois and Clark on the farm, kissing, for the go-around-the-horn-sequence. But yeah, sorry, I dropped the ball on that!

We only had Tom for a few hours, but also, here's the thing: under SAG rules, an actor don't get paid by the amount of time they spend on set. They get paid by the number of episodes they are in. So if Tom was contracted for episode 2, and if Tom appeared in episode 5, that would trigger a completely different payment.

We certainly didn’t have the money for that, but that really wasn’t a factor. It, quite frankly, just didn’t occur to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nESsjqA … rseOfColor

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I've been pondering the Doomsday scenario -- and my conclusion that it might have been best if Davis Bloome's beast had not been called Doomsday and instead called Ruin or World Killer or Armageddon or even just "the Beast".

The problem is that "Doomsday" in the Superman mythology has a certain brand identity, and that brand identity is defined by SUPERMAN #75 where every page is a full-page panel and 90 percent of the issue is Superman fighting Doomsday.

The name is synonymous with an extended superpowered brawl, and despite SMALLVILLE clearly conveying that Doomsday is largely offscreen, too big for the camera, only ever going to be shown in obscured or dimly lit or appendage-focused shots -- it simply couldn't overcome the brand expectation of the name "Doomsday".

It might have been best to call "the Beast" and describe it as "an early surviving prototype of the Doomsday project" to explain that this wasn't the full-blown Doomsday but an earlier model from Zod's deranged genetics experiments.

But I concede that the SMALLVILLE writers probably saw the mythic power of the Doomsday name, and thought they could explain what fans could expect clearly. They... couldn't.

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If Democrats can get their act together, resistance is not futile, says this article where Donald Trump's total inability to run government is already showing itself again:
https://www.salon.com/2024/11/22/resist … d-against/

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with the advice, "When they go low, we go high" conceptually, but not every piece of advice applies to every situation at all times. Republicans understand something Democrats don't: politics is not, despite all appearances, playing bridge at the club. It's a knife fight in a sewer.

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There's certainly a lot of disagreement in Democrat circles. Did they swing too far to the right in pursuing Republican voters? Has the Democrat party moved too far to the left in cultural attitudes? Has going too far one way or the other or not far enough cost them the capacity to become a majoritarian party?

I am not sure, but all of these contradictory and opposing takes have mostly one commonality: the working class is a the voting bloc that Democrats need to pursue instead of Never Trumpers or women or minorities or specific communities. People who work for a living are in sufficient numbers to vote Democrats into office and while these other groups have serious deprivations in civil liberties and societal (in)equalities, their numbers are like SLIDERS fandom -- not large enough to go mainstream for majoritarian success.

The other key factor that I've mentioned before that keeps coming up: the majority of voters are not getting their news from pro-democracy sources like MSNBC or Slate.com or The New Republic or even newspapers and TV news. They're getting their news from social media: podcasts and influencers. The Democratic Party in 2024 seemed to barely exist here while Republicans seemed to rule that space. If Democrats want to win elections, they need to start existing in a louder, wider, larger network of pro-democracy news media and social media that's present and prominent even when there isn't an election.

I am really hoping this post will not receive a response insisting that the defeated Democrats in 2024 are a majoritarian success by some Byzantine metric of something or other that doesn't correspond to reality.

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I'm rewatching Season 9 of SMALLVILLE and "Roulette" is a very interesting and ambitious episode. But there's one moment that really jumps out to me as TV perfection -- at one point, Oliver, in the middle of a downward spiral, is trapped in a police interrogation room, having watched his bank accounts hacked and emptied while the room fills with gas. Oliver pounds on the locked door, screams for helps, falls over -- when suddenly, the wall with the door is ripped backwards. Oliver scrambles to his feet in a panic and someone grabs him by both shoulders, holding him up. It's Clark.

"I could hear you yelling," Clark says, and Tom Welling is an effortlessly reassuring, comforting presence to Oliver's terror and confusion. He's just perfect.

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A wise man once remarked: it's possible to commit no errors and still lose. Kamala Harris was a good candidate. But -- and this is something that's going to happen to all of us at various points in life -- she was outmatched by the challenges and circumstances.

She had 107 days, and she understandably operated on a low-risk, narrow strategy trying to eke out a small victory via swing states and the blue wall. It didn't work, but she came close. As vote counts come in, it's become pretty clear: a two point shift towards her in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania would have meant a Democrat victory.

107 days is not a lot. Kamala had to deal with Biden's foreign policy where voters, alienated by Biden's support of Israel, didn't feel comfortable voting for Kamala and where many voted for no one. Kamala had to deal with how the Democratic Party was a machine built on big money donors whose corporations are exploiting the very people from whom Democrats need votes, preventing her from offering a more transformational vision of her presidency. Kamala was facing a global anti-incumbent wave.

It was just too much for a 107 day campaign with the VP of the current administration being parachuted in last minute, too late to deal with serious issues in the entire party and offer a vision to address it, too late to have a new strategy that wasn't about running close and hoping to be slightly ahead enough to win.

Which is why, even though Kamala lost... I don't blame her. While I agree with a lot of the Kamala-criticism, I feel it's more criticism of the party than the politician, whose head must have been spinning. The problems were and are structural and systemic and take a lot more than 107 days to sort out.

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Democrats are on the right side of history. But their strategy is on the losing side of history. Their 2024 loss is a matter of public record. I shouldn't be derided overtly or subtly for stating that Democrats lost in 2024 which is a highly observable and entirely factual observation. Defeat is a part of life.

And when people lose, the healthy and well-adjusted person will assess and review how and why they lost and what they can do to achieve better results as opposed to deriding any news source that dutifully reports that the score was 312-226 and not in our favour.

This is a political thread about current events and Kamala's loss is a factual news story. No one should have to debate whether or not Kamala Harris lost the election. Even Kamala isn't debating it.

Kamala's defeat is stressful enough; to deal with someone scornful towards reporting and discussing how she lost is just ridiculous. This is why election denialism is so toxic whether on the left or the right.

Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

The problems that the Democrats face are many.  One, there's Trump-level concerns.  Will we ever get to have elections again?  Will Trump stack the deck to make it hard/harder/impossible for Democrats to win?  Will Trump go after Democrats with his DoJ and there won't be any Democrats to run in 2026/2028?  ireactions says that I shouldn't worry about this stuff, and since his head is probably clearer than mine, I will believe him.

I wouldn't say you shouldn't worry. I'm saying that it will not be as easy and immediate as Trump thinks or hopes it will be, and that Democrats are not defenseless... but they are also not invulnerable.

77 million people voted against Trump. That is cause for hope.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opi … rcna179969

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You are gravely mistaken to think "Maybe he'll come back" was an expression of anything but dread, and your thinly-veiled election denialism is thinly-veiled, conspicuous and obvious: every editorial that examines the election results is met with your sneering, cultlike brag about how the losing candidate was too perfect to have lost.

There is no analysis, there is no review, merely ad hominem derision towards anyone discussing how Kamala Harris lost the 2024 election to which you react as though it were stated as a defamatory slur as opposed to a factual matter of public record.

Your goal is obvious: you want people to be uncomfortable saying that Kamala lost and fear your reprisal.

This will no longer be tolerated. This is a thread about current events existing in reality. The unpleasant but observable reality is that Donald Trump won the 2024 election and will be president again. No one trying to discuss this unhappy reality should have to deal with overt hostility or subtle microaggressions from you being offended by discussion of widely reported, loser-conceded election results.

I think it would have happened eventually. A jealous football player would have leaked a video, an ex-con with an axe to grind would have posted something just to lash out and strike back. Not everyone in Smallville is an angel. Someone was going to film something and post something. All it takes is one person with a grudge and a phone.

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If you are not at all the person described in my summary, why are you so insulted?

Your denial that Trump defeated the Democrats in 2024 shows a total inability to deal with the obvious and unfortunate reality that Kamala isn't going to be President.

I see your supposed about-face for what it truly is: a passive-aggressive, veiled harassment due to your anger over your unproven conspiracy theory not being permitted on this board.

You spent months sneering and jeering at anyone and everyone who had doubts about Joe Biden or Kamala Harris, bragging about how they would win the 2024 election. When they lost, you decided to post unproven stories about the voting machines being hacked by satellites to continue your mockery and ridicule and try to avoid being on the receiving end. You were told that election denialism would get you banned.

Now you are angry whenever anyone describes the Democratic defeat of 2024 as an observable fact and a matter of public record. You are triggered because your preferred response -- it was hacked, it was rigged, it was cheated, they actually won -- was identified as abuse and harassment and conversation hijacking that was going to -- and still can -- get you banned from this board.

You decided you would leave and find some other community. I see the search went well since you're back.

And now, fuming over how your conspiratorial wings have been clipped, you're now choosing the path of passive-aggressive microaggressions towards anyone who engages in critical review of why Democrats lost the 2024 election because if you made your preferred response to that conceded-by-Kamala reality, it would be your last post on this board for awhile.

Perhaps you're thinking if you just colour in the lines long enough and gradually escalate, you can seamlessly resume your curtailed behaviours. You'd be mistaken.

Perhaps you simply have nowhere else to go because you can't find a community that will discuss politics in your preferred fashion where the Democratic Party is a cult and you are a slavish disciple and the Democratic defeat of 2024 is denied and ignored.

No one who thinks air-gapped voting machines can be hacked by satellite has any capacity to evaluate what is and isn't a credible news source. Your measure of credibility at this point is whatever supports your cult.

It is very obvious that your comments were and are designed to intimidate people discussing how Democrats lost the election. You want to make it uncomfortable for anyone who can address unpleasant but provable reality.

You want people -- and you've targeted me -- to be walking on eggshells, afraid to mention that Democrats lost the 2024 election, worried about what harassment you'll unleash in response.

It is very obvious in your responses how triggered and offended you are that anyone dares to cite how Democrats lost in 2024 without bringing up your pet conspiracy theory.

Your election denialism is not welcome here. Your rebranded and thinly-veiled election denialism is not welcome here. Your hostility towards people discussing widely-reported and conceded election results and current events is not welcome here. Your cult is not welcome here.

In a world of smartphone cameras, YouTube, and Smallville having at least one petty criminal, I do not see how Clark's secret could have stayed secret.

THE X-FILES was a 90s show in a very internet-limited era. SUPERNATURAL started in 2005, and it was an era of talk and text phones and low resolution web video; it was not fit for documentarians or plausible revelations. Also, monsters were not sufficiently mainstream and hadn't made major media appearances. It was only in 2008 that YouTube offered HD video streaming; it was only 2011 that the iPhone could film in 1080p video.

Superman, however, is an in-universe global icon in an era of even $200 smartphones being able to film 4K video and upload them to YouTube, and the SUPERMAN AND LOIS series began in 2021 and high definition web video has been a plot element. I don't think Superman can keep a secret identity in a small town in this era; once the town knew, it was going to leak and the world would know.

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Some interesting analysis on where Kamala Harris' campaign faltered. Critical review is always preferable to cult-like obsequious fawning.

M. Steven Fish:
During the DNC, the Democrats cast Trump as weak and pathetic rather than treating him like an 800-pound gorilla who should terrify us. Harris largely did the same during the debate. The proof of concept was there: When the Democrats switched to a higher-dominance mode, they controlled the narrative, their prospects brightened and Trump stalled.

But the Democrats then reverted to their low-dominance norm. They fell back on their timeworn, futile tactic of ceding the spotlight to Trump. Rather than just ridiculing Trump’s victim complex, promising to kick his self-pitying ass and then immediately directing attention back to their own great plans for the country, the Democrats devoted precious campaign time, especially in the critical homestretch, to repeating Trump’s increasingly outrageous statements and enjoining everyone to join them in being afraid and offended.

I’m hard-pressed to think of a single novel, provocative, brash, daring, or entertaining thing that Harris said during the last seven weeks of the campaign. One consequence was that a lot of people remained unsure what she stood for. Even worse was the widespread suspicion that she didn’t stand for anything.

We all watched the spectacle unfold. How would her policies differ from Biden’s? Well, she couldn’t say but could confirm that her presidency wouldn’t just be a re-run of his. How, then, would it differ? Her answer: Well, you know, her first term wouldn’t just be a Biden second term. How, then, did she vote on California’s Proposition 36, which would recriminalize retail theft and some drug offenses? Her answer: “I am not going to talk about the vote on that.” On immigration: Didn’t she take office seeking to decriminalize illegal border crossings and didn’t she and Biden wait too long to deal with the border problem? Her answer: Our immigration system is broken. Fine, but didn’t she take too long to try to fix it? Her answer: The problem predated Biden and her. OK, but couldn’t they have acted earlier? Her answer: She had prosecuted drug traffickers earlier in her career.

It came to look as if avoiding risk was the name of her game and that her aim was to run out the clock without saying anything controversial. This is what low-dominance politics looks like.

Democrats’ usual way of abnormalizing Trump — did you see what he just said?! Aren’t you scared to death by what this bully is doing?! — has got to stop. That approach only builds Trump up. The only effective way to deal with Trump is to ridicule him, troll him and otherwise diminish him with expressions of disdain and contempt. As we’ve discussed, for a brief period during the campaign, that’s what the Democrats did and it worked wonders. After the Democrats returned to making the election a referendum on Trump and his awfulness, Trump bulldozed them without breaking a sweat.

https://www.salon.com/2024/11/19/how-de … messaging/

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

I think these voters are stupid because they don't know and they don't want to know.  They fall for dumb little slogans because they want to put absolutely no thought into it.  I don't care how they get their news or what their politics are, but I do care that they have a 6th grade understanding of how the country works.

And we are in this situation because we've allowed the dumbest among us to elect the king of the dummies.

On a personal level, it's not your business to care.

On a political level, it would probably be good for the Democratic Party to figure out how these people get their news and what their politics are because, apparently, we need some of their votes to win.