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Yeah, we'll see.  It's weird that Legends will be responsible for making a big chunk of The Flash make sense.

And I can see how that could be possible.  The only thing that makes me question it is the fact that Thawne and Darhk are both talking about altering their destinies.  Darhk is talking about his death (at Oliver's hands) because Sara just told him.  I assumed that Thawne found out about his death and wants to avoid it. 

Now the character is all about being concerned about the future so he could easily be talking about any other destiny.  But there's been enough confusing parts of it that I'm honestly confused.

ireactions is correct: Flashpoint shouldn't have aired in the way it did.

Very well done.  An interesting twist on current events twisted up in SLIDERS:REBORN.  I liked the moral argument that Quinn makes, and I like that he stands up for what he believes.  It's a well-done dialogue, and I think you captured Trump about as well as you could have.

It did make me wonder how the Sliders would see this election.  Clearly, Wade would support Hillary.  I think Arturo would be turned off by Trump the human being.  But then I started wondering about the others.  Would Rembrandt and/or Maggie be so quick to turn on a democratically-elected president?  Season 1-2 Rembrandt would probably lean more liberal (especially being a black man), but seasons 3+ Rembrandt (being a Navy man) would probably be a bit more reserved in that opinion.  I know staunch military democrats who hated Trump and feared him as a boss, but they were very careful to say anything negative.  He will be their boss.  Or at least the boss of people like them.

Maggie also might be a feminist but not to the degree of Wade.  And, again, she's military.  She worked for a supervillain in Colonel Rickman.  She might think a lot of things, but I don't know if she'd say it (your Maggie is a double, though, right?).  And other than being black (so, again, leaning democrat) and a scientist (pragmatic), I have no idea what Diana would think.

I don't think any of the sliders would've voted Trump, but I can see a couple of them voting third party or refusing to vote for either candidate.  I think Quinn and Wade (maybe Mallory) are the only definite Hillary votes in the lot.

An interesting thought experiment for sure.

Is Earth One Wells still alive?  Since Thawne never killed Barry's mom and didn't escape, shouldn't Wells still be alive?  I know the show is supposedly saying that Seasons 1 and 2 still happened the way we saw (for the most part), but I don't see how that's possible.

I agree that Arrow has rebounded pretty well, and I still think Supergirl is fun.  Flash has been pretty good, but I also worry about losing Wells as a mentor.  And having him be more comic relief.  I'm sure Cavanaugh is having fun, but are we going to have a different Wells every season?

But do you know how this would work on a perfectly run show?  If something like Mr. Robot got additional episodes?  Did the show ask for them because they need to tell more story, or did the network ask for them to fill space and the writers have to adjust?

They've extended Legends of Tomorrow four more episodes.  First, I thought 13 was fine for them, and I wonder if 17 is going to be too many.

Second, I've always wondered how that worked.  Episode 10 of the season went into production two days ago per Marc Guggenheim.  I imagine the first ten episodes were building toward, what I would have to think, a conclusion by episode 13.  So would an extension this late in the game mean episodes 13-16 are just going to be filler?  Or are they going to drag (original) episodes 11-13 into (new) episodes 11-17?  Or is this something that they've planned for all along (where the producer tells the CW that they need 17 episodes to tell their story, and it just got approved), and if it hadn't worked, they would've actually crammed episodes 11-17 into 11-13?

Well, America overwhelmingly hated their choice.  We all expected Hillary to win, and so we kept talking about all the Republicans that would've beaten her.  Conversely, a ton of Democrats could've stomped him.  But no one ran against Hillary in the primaries.  The fact that a septuagenarian Congressman that no one had ever heard of almost beat her should've sent alarms up and down.  Losing to Obama in 2008 was one thing - but Bernie had almost none of the qualities that Obama had, and he still had all the momentum and enthusiasm on his side.

If a real candidate had been allowed to run against her, they would've won.  And then beaten Trump. 

This election was ripe for the taking for both parties, and they both tried their best to lose it.

It's almost like Hillary Clinton is unpopular.  Who would've thought?

Kasich would've beaten Hillary.  Whether or not they were true conservatives or whatever is irrelevant.  The only reason Trump is even close is because he's running against Hillary.  I think Ted Cruz would've beaten her too, although it would've been closer.  The only reason she's winning is because she hasn't had to sell herself.  She could've done the same strategy (negative 100% of the time), but I'm not sure it would've worked with Cruz.  It definitely wouldn't have worked with Bush or Rubio or any other boring Republican.

I don't even know if Bernie would've dropped out as early as he did if not for Trump.

Donald Trump is one of a handful of people (literally a handful) that Hillary can beat.  Which, again, makes me think the whole thing was orchestrated by the Clintons to get her this job.

That's exactly my point.  If Hillary is clean and Republicans are just making stuff up to soil her image, why aren't they doing so for the Obamas?  If they're just going to make stuff up, why not attack the current administration?

Probably because the Clintons are *much* dirtier than the Obamas.  And Barack Obama is a *much* more sensible president than Hillary will be.  She's going to screw up the economy, make Obamacare so much worse, and make the Middle East situation a lot more dangerous.  Hillary will tarnish or destroy every bit of Obama's legacy, which is ironic since he's basically going to win the election for her.  Without the president, there's virtually no way she could've gotten the black vote.  No one likes her, and they just would've stayed home.  The only reason they're voting now is because Obama is literally begging them to do so.

They interviewed a bunch of people at the Jay-Z/Beyonce concert for Hillary.  Almost all of them said they were there for Obama more than Hillary.  No one likes her, and yet people are voting for her.  I just don't understand voting for someone you hate, even if you hate the other guy more.  It just doesn't compute with me.

I thought the zombie idea was lame, but I thought they actually missed an opportunity to tell a real story.  What if the Union officers, not the Confederate ones, got bitten?  Instead of telling another stereotypical "all Southerners were racists" story, what if they'd flipped it on its head?

Imagine the time pirate lands and bites the Union officers.  Instead of "the Confederacy wins the war", the more realistic scenario is that the zombie apocalypse happens (which fits in with Stein's paranoia).  Because, you know, the confederates probably wouldn't have been able to win the war either since their soldiers are all mindless zombies.

So now the Legends have to work with the confederates.  Jax and Amaya would be outraged, but they would have to figure it out.  The confederate soldiers might be outraged to have to fight with Jax and Amaya, but they'd get over it when they realized how much danger they were in.  Jax and Amaya would learn that the confederates were people, and the confederates would have a greater understanding of how equal everyone really is.  There could still be the slave stuff if they wanted (confederate soldiers kidnap Jax and return him to a plantation, etc), but it wouldn't all be so cliche.

Vixen knows there are more animals than just gorillas, right?  I think 90% of her "animal powers" have been a gorilla.

The problem with using them at all is that the mystery will always fade away.  When you create a villain like the Kromaggs or the Borg, they're supposed to seem insurmountable.  That's why it's so thrilling to see our heroes escape at the end.  Like Invasion and Q Who, our heroes don't *win*, but they're lucky enough (with help) to escape to live another day.  But the threat is always there that they'll come back.

The problem with an enemy like that is that a) you've set yourself up where they have to come back (Chekov's gun), and b) each time you use them, the magic will fade away.  Our heroes will be more prepared the second time, but if they escape with their lives each time, luck/help can't keep getting all the credit.  Maybe the odds weren't insurmountable.  Maybe the villain wasn't that good in the first place.  It's why the Kromaggs aren't able to do much damage to the Sliders, even though they'd conquered hundreds of worlds.  It's why the Borg slaughtered everyone at Wolf 359 but couldn't destroy Voyager.

I think that's why Torme didn't want to do it.  It's a Pandora's box that would end up being less fun no matter what.

But I don't see why them being fallible makes them any less scary.

And depending on the main goal of the Kromaggs in "occupying worlds", then it might be even easier.  If they just want to conquer and leave, that's easy.  They get to add a tally mark to their name without expending any resources.  If they want to take up resources and leave, then they could also do that.  You sneak attack, grab everything you need as quickly as possible, and leave before any resistance can be formed.

But even if they wanted to hold worlds just to hold them, technology can fill in many of the gaps that would typically require "kromaggpower" - and if humans decided to launch guerrilla campaigns across the world...then that's fine.  Even if they got a stronghold on the planet, the Kromaggs could temporarily divert resources, wipe out the resistance, and regain control.

Depending on how realistic you want it to be, the first person that popped in my mind was Ellie Kemper.  She might've done the show if it was on CBS....she might be bigger than the CW.  She's also probably older than what you're looking for, but she could play a lot younger.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellie_Kemper

Season one Community Alison Brie could also do it, I think.

Haha, I thought status updates was just a miscellaneous thread.  But, yeah, I don't need a thread for any zombie shows.

Man, I did too.  I thought it was really bland.  I haven't seen her in much, but it just didn't do anything for me.

I think the alien bar is lazy, but I don't think it means they're out of ideas.  If anything, I feel like they're throwing out a ton of ideas for this season.  Maybe too many, honestly.

He's staying on as EP so I'm hoping he'll still be involved enough to make sure it's good.  Or maybe it's some sort of negotiation tactic.

I want this to be good really badly.

I think I dislike Rowena as much as Info dislikes Crowley.  I was sorta hoping Lucifer would kill them both and we could move on.  I thought Rick Springfield did a decent job as Lucifer, though.

And I like that the UK Men of Letters seem to have weaponized the lore a bit better than the Winchesters have.  I think this could be a cool storyline if they do it correctly.  But I bet they make them into villains and show that the brothers' way is the better way.

Do all the shows need the stupid intro?  I used to think they were a nice way to start the show, but they're just annoying me now.  The Legends one seems the most forced, especially now that Sara is doing it, but they're all dumb now.

ARROW - I know they want to stick with "something else" theme but it doesn't fit anymore.  And the "I had to become the Green Arrow" line is really dumb.

FLASH - This one has bothered me for a while now, too.  The "ordinary forensic scientist" line has always bothered me because I don't think there's a lot of "ordinary forensic scientists" just running around (pun intended).  But it's also bothered me when Barry has only been the Fastest Man alive for a handful of episodes.  Most of the time, he's trying to be faster to catch up to one of his villains.  I know it's his title, but it's been unequivocally wrong most of the show's run.

SUPERGIRL - This one seems the most natural, but it's just copying the original Arrow and Flash ones.

LEGENDS - They've only had about 20 episodes, but the storyline is already confusing and dumb.  They shouldn't add any extra attention to it.  The only bonus is that it's short.

The fact that they have these little intros and then a "previously on..." segment just makes the whole thing worse.  They need to try something else.

The problem with the Walking Dead is that I don't care about any of the characters.  Last night's episode was brutal and daring with a villain (played by Sliders alum Jeffrey Dean Morgan) who should be terrifying. 

And, yet, I can't even spoil the big cliffhanger because I can't even remember the character's name who died.  Nor did I care to look it up.  And that was even one of the characters I liked.  They killed a second major character a few minutes later, and it didn't even affect me.

The show was too attached to certain characters (who are essentially Navy SEALs now) so they had to kill off most major characters they add to the show.  So the old characters are boring and the new characters don't last long enough for you to care. 

The fact that the plot is repetitive is the problem that gets referenced the most, but I think that's just sorta the way the show would have to be.  They'd have to look for shelter, and shelter would reasonably be failing all over the place.

The actors are good, and the performances are good.  I just don't care about any of the characters at all.

Is it weird that this was strangely convincing?

Well, again, I don't think he was placed there by Bill to win.  He might have also recommended that he run for genuinely friendly reasons.  But let's be honest....his wife was running.  His wife was going to be running against him or against his party.  He wants his wife to be president.  So either he was setting Donald up to fail, setting the Republican Party up to fail, or he's a naive idiot.  At this point, all three are possible in my mind.

I think Bill knew what kind of person Donald is, and he thought two things.  He's going to say a bunch of terrible things about the other candidates, and Republicans are never going to elect him.  Maybe he thought it'd be good for Donald's ego or his bottom line.  Maybe he thought Donald would have some fun.  But even in his wildest dreams, I don't think Bill thought that Donald would win the nomination....just weaken the eventual nominee enough that Hillary could beat him.

It's just funny because Hillary has run exclusively on how dangerous Trump is.  So her family essentially created the monster and then created the white knight to defeat their own monster.

Exactly.  All this talk about how it's going to destabilize the government is insane talk.  It's why I say CNN is just Liberal Fox News.  It used to be Fox News that was just throwing out crazy conspiracy theories, but CNN is just as bad now.  It's fear mongering and overblowing everything.

No matter who's elected, we're all going to wake up November 9 and realize how stupid we were for worrying so much about this.

Now I'll say this about Hillary.  There's talk of the GOP fearing that they could lose their stranglehold on the House.  If that happens and the Democrats take the House, Hillary will have *ZERO* excuses if she can't make people's lives markedly better.  You can't blame the other party when your party has control of all three branches.  And since Democratic policies aren't universally perfect, all the Republican nominee next time has to say is, "Hey, they had full control, and look how bad things are."

In other words, she better be as qualified and prepared as they think she is.  If she's not, expect the swing the other way to be massive.

I mean, I see it.  I thought the whole interrogation scene, maybe because of the way it was lit, made him seem alien.  Later in the movie, he admits he was born in Kansas so I thought it was odd that he referred to Krypton as his world.  "Where I'm from" or "Where I was born" might have been a little more honest to his situation.  Maybe at that time he was trying to appear more alien, but I feel like both those lines are about equal in terms of alien-ness.

But I'm with you on this.  Clark should only embrace parts of his Kryptonian nature because at his core, he should think of himself as human.

Yeah, but I thought Man of Steel was much worse than this.  "On my world, it means hope."  Owning the language is one thing....in Man of Steel, he only knows of Krypton as a concept.  It's not his world at all.  Did that not bother you?

In the defense of that line on Supergirl, he would've had to say "in English" - if he'd said "our language" it would've been construed as being Kryptonian (since he's standing with Kara when he says it).

And I thought the chest looked bad throughout (on both actors).  I wonder if they made it, realized how bad it looked, and couldn't afford to fix it.  They should've just done a Tony Stark and had the green glow through his shirt most of the time.

I still don't understand how the source makes the evidence less damning.

Yes, we need to be protecting our data.  Yes, it's Russia.  But here's the problem:

1) What do you want us to do about it?
2) The emails are still showing *a lot* of issues with Hillary Clinton

If we're going to blame the Republicans for nominating a horrible candidate in Donald Trump, equal blame needs to be given to the Democrats for nominating Hillary Clinton.  The fact that one of these guys has to win doesn't mean that one of them should win.  One will be president but neither should be.

Is Garrett Wang really a celebrity? 

How the information was acquired doesn't make any difference to me.  Were you guilty or were you not guilty?  None of this stuff is going to be prosecuted so it's all about the court of public opinion.  If someone running for political office is lying to us, I want to know about it.  Republican, Democrat, whoever.  Whether it's intercepted by the FBI, the Russians, or Martians.  Illegal evidence gathering might matter in a trial, but it doesn't make the person any less guilty of the crime.

If we're mad that the Russians are stealing our emails, then we need to make cyber security a priority.  Because if they can hack all these emails, they have much much more info where that came from.

And, yes, of course they got into the server.