I watched both videos. Definitely calming. We should two weeks from today, I would think. But wouldn't it be amazing if we even knew on election night?
241 2024-10-23 18:45:36
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242 2024-10-23 13:35:08
Re: Random Thoughts about TV, Film and Media (687 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I didn't know where to put this (maybe we need to rename the DC Threads to CW/Arrowverse and DCU) but I decided to put this here because it's technically not DC related. But I watched Rebel Ridge on Netflix, and the star of that (Aaron Pierre) has been cast as John Stewart in the Lanterns show. Not only is the movie really engrossing and entertaining, but I think he's great in it. I think he also has really powerful eyes that almost look "Green Lantern-y" in certain angles, and I think he's gonna be really good. I know there's some criticism that he's not a dark-skinned person like John Stewart is traditionally, but I think he's gonna do great.
If you're interested in Lanterns, I think checking out some of the movie will make you feel great about the casting.
243 2024-10-23 07:05:44
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So the consensus among people seems to be that Kamala going to Texas is about attention and bringing the national discourse to abortion. Which, I get. But early voting has been female-leading so far, and the campaign has been fairly focused on abortion. Maybe this turns out some pro-choice people, but I feel like it's pretty late in the game to be doing that. I don't know the registration rules in the battleground states, but I think it's too late to register in Texas and voting has already started.
I really, really want to believe that the internals just look really good.
244 2024-10-22 11:35:33
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This one.
I'll add this to my watch later playlist. I need as much positive juice as possible.
Apparently, the focus of the Houston event will be abortion. Which obviously is a huge topic, but I don't think it really answers the question. An abortion rally with Kamala helps Allred, but does it really help Kamala? A rally in Texas gives her some national publicity which could maybe help her in the battleground states, but I assume it makes more sense for Allred to have an event with Kamala in Michigan than anything else.
But I think Kamala going to Texas should limit some of the fears that Michigan or Wisconsin is in danger. If it was, I assume she'd be there instead, Allred be d*mned.
245 2024-10-22 10:54:27
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Very interesting. Kamala is campaigning with Allred in Houston this week. I'm super fascinated with this because I wonder what it's saying about her internals. I would think that if the race was as close as the polling implies, she should be spending every possible second in one of the battleground states. Campaigning with Allred, who I don't expect to win, seems like a waste of time. Even if the Allred race is looking better than we think, if we lose the White House but pick up one seat in the senate, is that worth it? I'd rather win the White House and lose the Senate. Or obviously have Kamala campaign in the battlegrounds and get someone else to campaign with Allred in Houston (Beto, Liz Cheney, one of the Obamas, etc).
So this is either a really weird strategy (as weird as Trump campaigning in California or New York), or something is happening. There's a sense in Democrat circles that Harris is winning by more than we think. The way Trump is acting, the way Harris is campaigning, the money on the ground, the people on the ground, and some of the crosstab stuff we're seeing is making people think. I don't know if that's the case, but for her to come to Texas, I think one of these needs to be true:
1. Her internal data is so confident that she will win that they're willing to donate some of her time to Allred to try and get her a blue senate
2. She's going to be in Houston for some sort of VP work, and her internals look good enough that she's not rushing to a nearby battleground state (Arizona or Georgia would be a quick trip) to maximize her time
3. She's doing something at the border and has time to swing by to help Allred. But basically the same point as #2 except if she's going to the border, why wouldn't she go to the Arizona border to do two birds with one stone? And is there enough time to maximize on some sort of border stunt?
4. Allred is close enough that they're looking to make some sort of push to get people out. But is Kamala the right surrogate for that if the race is really super close? Beto, Liz Cheney, Mayor Pete, or someone else would probably make more sense so that Kamala and Walz can keep their eyes on the prize.
5. Kamala is losing by so much that it doesn't matter if she campaigns or not, and this is some sort of investment in trying to energize the Texas Democrats with the idea of flipping Texas in the future. I don't buy that, and if she's actually losing by a ton, I don't think she'd even help with that. If that's the case, they'd be better off sending Obama.
I guess the other options are 6) something I'm not thinking of, 7) it's some kind of meaningless thing that doesn't say anything, or 8) it's just a mistake by the Harris campaign. I think 7 and 8 are basically the same thing because if there's no reason to go, she's wasting a precious campaign day on a race that neither person can win. It's the same kind of stupid mistake Trump is making with his rallies in California and New York.
Anyone have any perspective?
246 2024-10-21 08:47:20
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I voted! That means I won't see any more political ads, right?
I think in a few years when media gets more personalized, this needs to be a thing.
It's crazy to see the ads between Allred and Cruz. Cruz is obviously more nervous than he's been. I assume he's still going to win semi-comfortably, but they're needing to spend more money than they usually do. Cornyn has been a senator for forever here, and I don't think he's ever needed to do an ad.
But there's two ridiculous things about Crus:
1. He's almost completely pivoted off the border because Allred has outflanked him. Allred has talked about how he's pushed back on Biden, and he's done a bunch of ads where he's supported by Border Patrol. In fact, Allred is hammering Cruz on his own inaction on the border, including how he likes to play "dress up" and go down to the border but accomplish nothing.
2. Cruz's ads are exclusively about transgender kids playing sports and transgender prisoners getting surgeries. That's all Cruz is running on. And it's so funny that Trump essentially calls America a Third World wasteland, but Cruz seems to think everything in Texas is incredible under his leadership outside of transgender issues. Which I think is so dumb, and I don't understand how this can even be top 50 on issues that people should care about.
Obviously my attention is mostly on Kamala, but I would love almost nothing more than Cruz to lose. Although I also worry that Texas' election laws would illegally overturn an Allred victory so I'm not putting too much hope (or money) into it.
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Early voting opened today in Texas. Going to go and vote for Kamala and Allred (and all democrats) tomorrow hopefully!
247 2024-10-18 09:14:59
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Yeah I think Rosenberg is right. She has more money, a stronger campaign setup, a younger candidate with more energy, and a desire to reach out to people in the middle. There are obviously some concerns in the blue wall, but as QuinnSlidr likes to say, the votes will tell the story soon enough.
I'm hoping that the polls are underestimating Kamala and that she can get a fairly boring win in a couple of weeks. I know that we have to get through a couple of months of Trump nonsense even if she wins, and but I'll happily gear up for that fight because it means that she's already received more votes. But if polls are underestimating her support among black Americans, Hispanics, or white women, I think she should have enough.
248 2024-10-18 07:06:49
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I really hope that's right.
I'm getting to a place where I'm exhausted by the process. I'm nervous about the election and what it says about the country. I do think it's a test for the country's soul, and I really don't want us to fail it. We are so close to ending this menace, and I know there's a bigger fight coming afterwards even if we win. So I'm trying not to pay too much attention. I can vote next week, and I'm going to try to join a call bank for Allred if I can. But everything is either inconclusive or muddied, and it just doesn't make me feel any better.
I just hope she wins. And I'm trusting that her stronger campaign and more money will help.
249 2024-10-17 10:11:07
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Two more notes:
1. I think Harris is going to benefit from the media coverage that Trump usually benefits from. From what I've seen, there's been mostly clips that don't paint either side in a bad light, and the headlines seem mostly positive. If you were a person who didn't watch and won't seek out clips, you might be inclined to be impressed that she went on a hostile network and that it went pretty well.
2. Trump did a Univision town hall and from what I've seen, it didn't go well. I'm hoping that undecided voters see the disparity between Trump and Kamala. If she's going to lose black men, she's going to need to make up for those voters with white women or Hispanics.
250 2024-10-16 19:29:26
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I watched clips of the Fox News interview. I thought Bret Beier would be fair, but someone must've convinced him to be combative and argumentative. I think Kamala handled herself pretty well, but I can also see why she might not be as polished in interviews. She didn't always keep her cool, but I think she did a pretty good job overall in a really hostile interview.
Online, Democrats and Kamala supporters thought she was very brave for doing the interview at all and thought she did a great job all things considered. Republicans and Trump supporters thought she was terrible and that it ended her campaign. In other words, the Kamala voters saw what they wanted to see and the Trump voters saw what they wanted to see. And because of that, I don't really think much was gained or lost by the interview on the whole.
However...
I think there's a decent chance that non-MAGA Fox viewers might've been impressed by the way she stood up for herself. Maybe even the wife/husband of a Trump voter might've been convinced to vote for her. She was probably hated by the majority of the normal Fox viewers that tuned in. But there's a chance that a few viewers here and there were impressed. And maybe those are the voters that will decide the election. So while I don't know if she accomplished a ton going on Fox, maybe she accomplished enough.
251 2024-10-15 18:53:32
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I think Kamala going on FOX and Rogan demonstrates the willingness to reach beyond diehards and to reluctant voters.
Yeah exactly. She needs to reach Republicans that are irritated by Trump but haven't been convinced by Cheney and other Republicans moving to her. Maybe they need to hear from her directly. I know some people who only watch Fox News, and maybe this is what those people need to get on board with her.
And she needs to do better with men. She'll reach a lot of men. Even if they don't vote for her, I think a lot of people will respect that she even went on there. And I think Trump fans are going to think she's going to bomb so if she doesn't, it might upend their worlds a little bit.
Hillary lost because her campaign was terrible and she made a bunch of mistakes. Kamala may lose, but I think she's running an excellent campaign. If she loses, I think it was completely out of her control.
252 2024-10-15 18:25:40
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3. Kamala is also apparently going on Joe Rogan.
Not a fan of Joe Rogan here, but I never thought I'd see the day that this would happen.
Yeah, I don't like Rogan at all, but I like the move. Rogan has complimented her recently, and his listeners claim to be open minded. If she can convince even a fraction of his audience to a) vote for her b) not vote for Trump or c) not vote at all if they were going to vote for Trump, that's a win. Again, Trump has set the bar for her really low so if she can successfully get through a podcast with Rogan, I think people are going to come out impressed.
She's definitely reaching new voters in recent weeks, and Trump continuously only feeds his base.
He had an extremely bizarre "town hall" last night and a really weird interview about the economy today. It seems like some mainstream media is finally starting to cover Trump's mental decline. Again, we need voters to vote for Kamala or current Trump voters to simply not vote for Trump (or not vote at all).
253 2024-10-14 13:00:51
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A couple interesting developments:
1. Kamala Harris has released her medical records and is punishing Trump on the idea that he won't release his. It's getting some national traction. It obviously won't lead to Trump releasing anything, but maybe if it gets enough attention, it can bring back "Trump is old and obviously in decline" back into the national discussion in the next few weeks.
2. Kamala is doing an interview on Fox News. This will be the first time that I assume a lot of Fox News viewership will get exposed to a one-on-one interview with her. If Cheney-like Republicans are willing to give her a chance and willing to vote for her, it could be a great opportunity to make a difference. And just like point #1, there is zero chance that Trump would go onto a hostile network and face tough questions.
254 2024-10-14 12:42:26
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I agree with all that. I will say that in some of Landis' other videos (for example, his rewrite of the Death and Return of Superman), he does go into detail about his appreciation for Clark (the person) being one of Clark's superpowers. When he's confronted with other Kryptonians, Clark rejects them because he sees himself as being from Kansas, not from Krypton. Surprisingly (or, perhaps, unsurprisingly), it makes me remember how our boardmate in exile used to think about Clark and how a non-American couldn't play him.
I do think that one of my issues with Cavill is that he never seemed to embrace his own humanity and quickly embraced his Kryptonian side when that was revealed to him. Other versions of Clark have friends and interests on Earth and a true interest in the planet and its people. Cavill's Clark doesn't seem to have any friends outside of Lois and turns on the planet almost immediately after she's lost to him (in the Knightmare world). But please note that this is almost certainly not on Cavill but on American Zach Snyder who seems to misunderstand Clark (at least my understanding) on a basic level.
One of my favorite Clark moment from Smallville is this one between Bart and Clark. Bart says that he has no reason to stay in Smallville, and Clark, very innocently, says "you have me" with so much kindness and hope in his voice. Clark can literally do anything or go anywhere, and he's gotta make Bart feel like he's the only one on the planet at that moment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLYEExrAEJI
Or when Clark is still trying to save Lex in the series finale. That's the Clark that I want to believe in.
255 2024-10-14 07:02:35
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
It's Max Landis. He did a video on Superman after Man of Steel and he was refuting the idea that classic Superman was boring. And I'll paraphrase so as not to directly quote him, but his idea (which I'm sure he didn't come up with) is that if you're a Kryptonian on Earth, you have two options: rule the Earth or try to save it. And instead of absolute power corrupting him, he always makes the right choice. And he chooses the right choice, which is to be a superhero. Not because his parents died and he's on revenge or because he feels obligated to. Just because it's the right thing to do.
He also talks about Superman killing Zod in Man of Steel and rationalizes it because his "no kill policy" is more about living in a world full of metaphorical children than any sort of moral issue. Not that Superman isn't moral, but he's willing to make hard decisions to save people. So when he fights Lex Luthor, it's an adult fighting a child. When he fights Zod, it's an adult fighting an adult.
I just think that kinda clarified things for me about Superman because I kinda agreed that he was boring. But it clarified things for me, and now I like that personification of Superman. And I think Hoechlin and Welling make that personification work.
256 2024-10-13 18:52:24
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Yeah, I think he'll come back sooner than later. I think the show needs him there, and I hope it helps with everyone's grief, including yours.
I agree that Superman doesn't need to be jacked like Cavill was. In fact, if you take his powers literally, he'd probably need to lift a crazy amount to build any true muscle. So he'd probably look more like Hoechlin than Cavill.
But my favorite thing about Superman is his undying hope, which I think was personalized well by Tom Welling and I think Hoechlin does a great job with. Since my favorite analysis of Superman comes from a now-canceled figure, I'll just post this as my favorite personification of Superman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GDNd8b_QOo (my favorite part starts at 2:46)
257 2024-10-12 08:51:45
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I thought it was good. But... I question the merit of doing SUPERMAN AND LOIS where Superman is dead. It seems to defeat the purpose of having a Superman show.
I gotta think, with only ten episodes, Superman comes back in some form pretty soon. Eradicator or Cyborg Superman or whatever version of Death of Superman they're doing.
But I agree. I don't think "Lois and Sons" is going to be as compelling vs Brainiac even if one has powers.
258 2024-10-11 12:48:27
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Superman & Lois is back for its final season with two new episodes. I liked both of them. I think Tyler Hoechlin is a really good Clark Kent. I still feel like he's a little small for Superman, but like Tom Welling, I think he has an innocent hopefulness that I feel like Clark should have. I think he comes across as someone fearless but gentle which I appreciate.
It's an abbreviated final season so it's already 20% done. And the producers said they'll do something to honor the legacy of the Arrowverse. Which, of course, we've heard before ![]()
259 2024-10-11 11:36:27
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I don't know why, but optimism from Grizzlor makes me feel better than from anyone else ![]()
260 2024-10-11 07:36:35
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Yeah you can watch it happening on 538, and they don't always do a great job of notating the polls that are small and partisan.
But Kamala had a couple of bad polls. Quinnipiac had her down FOUR in Michigan, but that poll had Trump winning with young people which just seems crazy.
But I'm transitioning from worrying about polls to worrying about the early voting data that is coming in. It seems like Democrats are voting early and getting their mail-in votes way faster than Republicans. That data isn't perfect because people can vote for a different candidate than their registration shows. And that can go either way, of course. But it feels more real than polls so I'm going to obsess about that a bit.
Republicans struck down laws in NC that would've helped with voting there, but now the Trump team is privately worried that a bunch of red votes in western NC won't get to vote. I still assume MAGA will sacrifice whatever they need to sacrifice to get out and vote, but we'll see what happens. The Trump team threw out the idea of "mobile polling stations" sponsored by Trump which is, of course, illegal. It would be crazy if Trump's lies about the hurricane ended up costing him North Carolina. I heard a report about a man who is refusing help from FEMA because of Trump's lies. It's literally hurting people that need help.
And one hope for Kamala is the "shy wife" - people that want to vote for Kamala but don't want their husbands to know. If that happens, it's game over for Trump.
261 2024-10-09 13:41:47
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I think that's true. And that's why I think Harris should have a slight edge - she has the better ground game, and her voters are more likely to show up anyway. If she can also get enthusiasm (either from people who love her or really hate Trump), then I'd feel pretty good that she'd win.
His people are less likely to vote but are very enthusiastic. But if they're going to depend on a vast majority of low propensity voters voting exclusively on Election Day...I still think that's a dodgy proposition. Weather, long lines, getting off of work (especially blue collar workers) are all potential issues. And if enthusiasm isn't there, maybe people choose to not vote. Particularly if those voters think Trump's got it in the bag.
But it wouldn't take much for Trump to win. His voters love voting for him, and they've been waiting four years to do it. So hopefully her money advantage and stronger ground game can get low propensity voters (maybe women who listen to Call Her Daddy that never vote) to vote for her, then maybe she can close that gap.
I do think Republicans are looking too much at 2020 to find positives. Right now, in places like Pennsylvania, Republicans are making up a slightly higher number of early and/or mail-in votes, but I would expect to see that. In 2020, people were terrified to vote in person. Harris voters will be more likely than Biden voters to vote in person, and they will be more likely to actually show up in person. The question is whether low/medium-propensity voters are actually high-propensity voters when Trump is on the ballot.
(You could also ask if low/medium-propensity Harris voters are high-propensity voters when Trump is on the ballot. I think it goes both ways)
262 2024-10-07 16:04:05
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Yeah Turning Point USA is driving a lot of the mobilization of Trump voters. Something they've never done before. It's making some Republicans nervous.
https://apnews.com/newsletter/ground-ga … ber-7-2024
It's such a crazy election. If you look at inflation, you'd think that Trump should win in a slam dunk. If you look at the advantages that Harris has (more money, a better ground game, more ads, etc) and Trump's approval rating, Harris should win in a slam dunk. Instead, it's just a really close race with no one really having the advantage. But with voting a couple weeks away, I feel better about Harris than I would Trump. I'm not fully confident, but I feel way better than I did with Biden.
And some of the early voting stuff looks good. I saw this morning that 25% of mail-in votes from Detroit have already been returned. Those votes will be overwhelmingly (almost exclusively) for Harris. Not sure if that's her ground game or her enthusiasm, but it's a good sign. Would love to see more of that in other blue areas.
263 2024-10-07 09:18:11
Re: DC Superheroes in Film (1943 - 2024) (1,098 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I wasn't really planning on seeing Joker 2 for a while, but Nando v Movies (a YouTuber I really like) said the movie was more interesting than the first movie but maybe not better. Now I'm a little interested in seeing for myself what the movie is.
I maintain that making it a musical was a fascinating choice considering the fans of the first movie, but I think if you're going to make a Joker movie with no Batman and then a sequel to that movie, you have to think outside the box. My "outside the box" approach would be to do a more traditional story but just do it from Joker's POV and make Batman the "villain" - some sort of heightened reality where Joker could hypothetically convince himself (and the audience) that he's the good guy and Batman is some sort of psychopath who keeps stalking and attacking him. That was, again, something that the Suicide Squad game (a game I have never played) could've done a great job at. I think Batman could be really scary if done as a villain.
But musical. Sure, that could work too I guess.
264 2024-10-07 07:37:39
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Kamala has kicked up her media game - at least to the point where it's noticeable to me in Texas. She has done a couple podcasts (one aimed at black men and another at women), she did the 60 Minutes interview, and she's doing local/regional stuff in the battlegrounds. I think she's doing Howard Stern too.
Trump is just doing stuff for his base and his rallies. He's not making any effort to recruit new voters. So if there are undecided voters willing to give her a chance, she's reaching them.
I think her campaign is doing a good job. There's talk of spending money on an informercial that could be aired in battlegrounds and nationally. Obama did something similar in 2008. Might as well with all the money she has. And I saw Walz went on Fox News which I still think is important. I don't think it's smart to assume that every Fox News voter will vote for Trump.
I'm starting to feel a bit more optimistic that the polls are right or that the polls are underestimating Harris. It's very nerve-wracking to know that a test for the soul of my nation is a month away, but I'll vote for her in a couple weeks and I'll know that I did my part.
265 2024-10-04 08:00:31
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Yeah, I guess I mean "is this reaching uninformed voters?" Because I'm not sure those voters watch any cable news, and I'm assuming (from the friends I know that are like this) that their social media is specifically aimed at avoiding any political news. I've mentioned this before but the only news my wife gets is from the Today show on NBC, and I just looked at their web site and I don't see it mentioned at all. And while that's a pretty light show from the bits I watch, they do cover breaking news and stories like that. And I think this is a story that could hypothetically divert votes from Trump, but I think the bases (who will not be dissuaded) are the only ones that even know about it.
As a journalism guy, I've been pretty annoyed at the media. I know that all these news outlets are owned by billionaires that are friendly to Trump, but they just don't cover Trump the way they covered Biden. And I get that Trump's speech the other day where he was slumped over and slurring wasn't as big a stage as the debate, but if Biden had made a speech like that four months ago, it would've been front page news. And it barely registered.
And if I'm the Harris campaign, I just don't know how you reach people to show them what Trump is in 2024. I honestly think she'd do better if the news networks aired Trump's stuff live more. That's where you see the really crazy stuff, and that's where you see his age showing. The dude is tired because he's old.
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I'm basically easing into a zone for this election. If polls are right, Kamala will win the blue wall and Nevada and she has a chance to win all seven battleground states. If polls are underestimating Trump, he wins - maybe with more electoral votes than Biden got in 2020. I do think there are some encouraging signs around mail-in voting and early voting, and I'm hoping that those numbers represent Democrats the way they did in the past because that would mean Trump's banking on a lot of people that don't usually vote getting out to vote on a very specific day.
There's good signs for the economy. The longshoremen didn't strike. I think the worst news for Harris is the stuff in the Middle East and this romanticism of the Trump years. If we can just get enough people in Pennsylvania to just feel like things are okay, and enough of them can just get annoyed by what Trump has been doing the last few weeks....I think she's in good shape.
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And going back to my point about non-Trump Republicans. These guys are avoiding so many questions. They're not spewing Trump's lies. They're not disputing them, which is important to note, but they're not going along with them. I think that's all the evidence I need that these guys are bad people but that our politics has a shot to heal once this nonsense is over and Trump is gone.
266 2024-10-03 16:12:00
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Is the mainstream media covering this? I think a lot of what I've read is damning, but I'm wondering if it's reaching the undecided / unfinalized voters that could be swayed by this information.
It also makes me upset at Merrick Garland because this should've been slam dunked a long time ago. I know that this stuff takes time, but from the accounts I've read, DOJ didn't get involved until after the 1/6 hearings. And obviously its too late for this election, and a 50/50 election might put the whole thing in jeopardy when this should've already been wrapped up. The documents case got derailed by bad luck (although freakin' Cannon got the assassin trial too which makes me wonder if it's luck at all), but the DC case would've been done if not for a two year delay.
267 2024-10-01 07:26:17
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,535 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I don't feel bad about his supporters at all. They've made their choice. They can lie in it when it's over.
See, I don't think we should think of it that way. Obviously, we don't want them to win, but like it or not, we're stuck with these guys. And we've got to find a way to get back to a sense of normalcy. Trump supporters deliver our mail and cook our food and defend the falsely accused and make us laugh and teach our kids (I wasn't trying to pick any particular profession here - just tried to get a wide scope of jobs). And ten years ago, we were cool living next to them. We probably voted for the same people. Cheered for the same sports teams. Sat in movie theaters with them, shopped alongside them, ate in restaurants with them.
You gotta remember that they're not the enemy. They're our neighbors and fellow Americans.
Now some of them suck. Some of them belong in jail. Some of them are hateful monsters that are beyond redemption. I'm not talking about those guys. I'm talking about the people who barely pay attention to politics who remember life in 2019 being pretty easy and want to return to that. People that have been convinced to be afraid of nonsense but are truly afraid.
And we gotta remember that me hating my neighbors with Trump signs is what Putin wants. It's what Trump wants. It's what China wants. I always get a bit uncomfortable when people from both sides talk about splitting the country into a Red USA and a Blue USA because that's the whole point of what Putin and China are trying to do. They can't beat us when we're united so they try to divide us. A United States alongside a Trumpistan allows for China to be the dominant force in the world. Without a united USA to back NATO, Putin can do what he wants.
So we have to get back to a place where we can disagree on politics without hating the other side. Where we aren't willing to abandon our neighbors because we disagree on how taxes should work. That's why I want to hold the line and destroy Trump. He's the only one spewing hate. The rest of the republicans aren't fighting him on it and they're disgustingly defending him, but I don't believe any prominent Republicans are jumping on the bandwagon and calling Harris mentally impaired.
Trump wants to divide us because Putin wants to divide us. I think when Trump is gone, a lot of that will also go away. I think we'll still be polarized, but I think we'll get over it. And just look at local races. Trump-Allred has a ton of attack ads that air constantly, but the race isn't anything like Trump-Harris. Cruz is attacking Allred's policies, but he's not attacking Allred as a person. He isn't hurling insults. It's a heated race but I think it isn't unusual.
We can get back to that. But we gotta beat Trump and show the next Trump that this stuff doesn't work.
268 2024-09-29 18:35:31
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I'm feeling optimistic about the election. I think the Democratic ground game is better, and I think Trump's growing ugliness is only going to turn off people. I worry that some people aren't paying attention, but the whole "Kamala is stupid" road that Trump is going down has got to be having some people questioning their idea to vote for Trump. I just refuse to believe that enough people in this country are willing to vote for that man.
But I went for a walk with my family in the neighborhood we live in. Last election, there was some Trump signs and some Biden signs. And while I've seen *very few* Trump signs on the side of the road with the other political signs, I walked down a street that had four Trump signs. It's just so disheartening that my neighbors fall in line with this guy. Someone holding their nose and voting for Trump is one thing, but to opening support him to your neighbors just feels so despicable to me.
And again, one of my biggest problems with Trump is I don't want to feel this way anymore. I don't want to feel this way about my neighbors or think less of them for their chosen candidate. I want to live in a word where I can walk down my neighborhood and react like I did when I saw a John McCain or a Mitt Romney sign. I wasn't going to vote for them, but I didn't immediately think bad thoughts.
These people know who they're voting for. They know what they're going to get. And they're going to vote for him anyway.
So I feel pretty good about the election. And I feel pretty bad about my neighbors. I just really want to win this, get to January 20, 2025 with Kamala Harris as president, and stop thinking about Donald Trump and his followers for as long as humanly possible.
269 2024-09-25 11:32:23
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Grizzlor, we'd talked previously about Kamala needing to hit the airwaves in every way possible. She's doing an interview with Wisconsin Public Radio as part of a strategy to engage with local media in key states and nontraditional digital media. She's also doing a podcast with Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes called "All the Smoke" - it's a basketball podcast from a couple of former NBA players. Could be a great opportunity to reach out to some people who might not typically pay attention to politics. Hopefully people give her a chance and she can come across as down to Earth.
I like this strategy. I hope she does more podcasts. As much as I don't like the guy, I don't think it would be a bad idea to even do something like Joe Rogan. There are people that hate/don't like Trump but don't know anything about her. This is how you reach those people.
She's also doing a one on one MSNBC interview to balance it out.
270 2024-09-24 12:41:50
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GOP isn't going anywhere. The Democratic Party continues on a path away from blue collar issues and towards identity politics, and behemoth spending projects that have historically bad results.
Well, three things:
1. I said Trump's reign over the GOP. I think Trump is the danger, not necessarily the GOP.
2. The GOP is on the wrong side of a lot of issues, but I would like to get back to a place where I can disagree with their politics instead of hating them for it. I think there's an extremely clear divider between Trump politics and Trumpian politics. If politicians want to run on hateful policies, I think they should be free to do so. So if they want to run on deporting millions or anti-LGBT or a national abortion ban, whatever, I think that's fine and the populace will either elect them or they won't. But you can't be pro-democracy and not let people with different viewpoints run. America has had plenty of bad presidents, plenty of bad policy, and has been able to pull itself back.
People like Nikki Haley, Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, and Ron DeSantis are dangerous for a completely different reason than Trump. Trump is dangerous because he'll actively sell America out. He's easily manipulated. He's openly fascist. He's openly criminal and racist. And he's an idiot. America can survive a Republican. American might not survive Trump. He's uniquely stupid and uniquely popular and uniquely narcissistic and uniquely a problem for the rest of us.
I said during the primaries and I'll say it right now. If you told me we could have President Ron DeSantis or President Nikki Haley or even President F'ing Ted Cruz right now and skip the election, I would take it over even a 1% chance that Trump wins. Because while all those people are awful, I don't think they'll actively sell the country out for a bag of beans. I don't think they'd refuse to leave the office at the end of their term. I don't think they'd endanger democracy. And we've seen it. Trumpy people act like Trump but can't pull off the kind of things Trump pulled off. When they lose, they go away or no one follows them down Stop the Steal nonsense.
And again, please don't get me wrong. I think Kamala can (and I think she will) win. And I think all those others would be terrible presidents and terrible for the country. But terrible is better than destroyed.
3. Once Trump is gone from politics, I think some sense of normalcy will return. When the Republicans lose an election post-Trump, they'll have to go through a reckoning like they always have. When someone gets 270 and they don't, they'll concede. I think they'll maintain their populist ways, and I think the Democrats will have to have a reckoning of their own because the anti-Trump coalition doesn't make much sense if there's no Trump. Maybe the cancer that is Trump will allow both parties to become something different. Or maybe both parties will just return to their 2014 corners - suburban whites will go back to being Republicans and blue collar whites will go back to being Democrats. It's impossible to say.
But Trump has to lose first. Because if he doesn't, literally none of that will matter.
271 2024-09-24 07:19:15
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I agree about the polls, but I want people to be careful about crosstab diving only when the poll looks good. NYT had a poll a week ago that had Kamala up 4 in Pennsylvania and tied nationally. That would obviously be an unusual result, but which is the poll that's wrong? Or are both of them wrong? Or is it possible that both are right? It would be nice if the Pennsylvania poll is right but the national poll and the 3 Sun Belt polls are Republican-leaning. But as Grizzlor says, polls don't matter.
What might be more interesting in the days and weeks is some of the real-time voting information we get. How many are voting and what is their party affiliation. Because, honestly, I'd love if every single Harris voter voted early and Election Day was simply Trump votes. More to go wrong, more chance of chaos or mischief. It would make me feel better. I'm hoping Kamala and her campaign have gotten out the word to vote as early as possible with some sort of infrastructure to help people get to the polls.
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I'm glad the Nebraska stuff failed. If they wanted to play fair ball and let Maine do the same thing, that would've been okay with me. The fact that they waited until Maine's deadline passed was dirty pool. I'm glad it failed. I also think it's funny that basically all the arguments they're using in Nebraska are reasons to get rid of the Electoral College entirely.
The Georgia hand-count law makes me nervous. I think the whole game is to take Georgia off the board. Because let's remember that Trump doesn't have to get to 270. He doesn't have to play offense - he can only play defense and he wins in the House. That's what's nerve-wracking. But luckily at least one person in Nebraska has stood up for democracy. We will need a lot more like him to defeat Trump.
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I don't believe for a second that if Trump loses in 2024 that he won't be back in 2028. I will have a ton to say if Trump loses, but I think he'll be back. He'll be further gone and crazier, but if he's alive, he's running.
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I also hope Robinson drags Trump down. What's crazy is that Trump is the ultimate vengeful guy, but no one else seems interested in taking revenge on him. Trump tried to get Pence killed - Pence won't endorse his opponent. Trump gets Laura Loomer banished from his presence - she doesn't lash out at him. Trump turns his back on Robinson - no one says anything. I keep waiting for one of these Republicans with some real dirt to come out with something to take down Trump, but it never happens.
I cannot wait until his reign over the GOP is over.
272 2024-09-20 11:37:09
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I've been seeing more stuff about the GOP flooding the market with Republican-leaning polls. Like they did in 2022. What I guess I don't understand is...what's the point of that? I guess the idea is that if Democrats think that Republicans are winning in the polls, they are less likely to vote. But is that true? It wasn't true in 2016 or 2020 for Republicans, who showed Trump down in the polls and still voted. It wasn't true in 2022 when the GOP did this same thing, leading to predictions of a Red Wave, and Democrats still voted and won.
I think the people that are more likely to pay attention to polls are also the people that are most likely to vote no matter what the polls say. And I'm also hesitant to believe it because...wouldn't the inverse also be true? If your preferred candidate was comfortably above in the poll and something came up, wouldn't you be less likely to vote because it's already in the bag?
I don't know. I just think it's sorta pointless.
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Experts in Pennsylvania seem to think that the signs of Harris doing well are there. I've read that a few times, but it's hard to know who really knows what they're talking about. Independent polls seem to have really turned towards Kamala since the debate. I think the only question is whether or not she can keep up the momentum. I do think it's interesting that she's been overtly pro-gun recently, touting that she and Walz are both gun owners and claiming last night that she'd shoot an intruder.
I don't know if it's enough to make any real dent in any true 2A person, but I see how it could be an effective strategy. If you're a person who doesn't like Trump and your top two issues are guns and the economy, she might be able to convince you that 4 years with Harris will be okay.
273 2024-09-19 15:53:09
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So in 2020, pretty much the whole time, I was fairly calm the entire cycle. I got into some brushups on Twitter with MAGA folks and spent a good deal of my time feeling good about a win. Even when the election was closer than anticipated, I figured it was only a matter of time.
When Biden was the nominee, I was full of dread. After the assassination attempt, I was beside myself.
With Harris as the nominee, I was hopeful but scared. But the more I was exposed to her and saw how people are responding to her, I'm back to a quiet calm. I'm still nervous at the idea that Trump could be president (probably more nervous than when it was just possible that he would *stay* president), but I'm feeling more confident that he won't be.
At this point, I'm most nervous about:
1. Polling error. My confidence is based on what we're seeing in the polls, and if they're off more than 2-3 points against her, Trump will win.
2. Some kind of economic disaster in the next six weeks. The closer we get to the election, the less likely that is. And as Grizzlor pointed out, it seems more likely that the economy will get better. I don't know if six weeks of good economy or lower gas prices or higher stock prices are likely to impact enough people that it impacts the election in any meaningful way, but we're maybe in a place where a cumulatively good economy for the last couple years, added with negative feelings on Trump and his economic policies, matched with potential positive feelings about Kamala's economic policies, might sway a "primarily economic" voter to switch from supporting Trump a few months ago to voting for Harris. Hopefully that extremely run-on sentence made any sense
3. Election day chaos and/or post-election nonsense. Harris is winning enough states with quality statewide polls that she should get to 270. And there's enough closeness in Georgia/North Carolina/Arizona and Nevada that she has a couple avenues if she doesn't win Pennsylvania or Wisconsin. It makes me pretty nervous that Trump just needs to win NC/GA/PA, and he's the favorite to win two of those. And it makes me nervous that the Trump campaign is competent enough to be aware of this and using that strategy pretty effectively. And since Georgia seems likely to be Trump because of Georgia's election authorities, then North Carolina is a must-win if she can't win Pennsylvania. But it's comforting to know she has a backup. And Robinson in NC might be a big-enough distraction for her to sneak a win there. So my fear would be that Trump doesn't even care about the election and wants to overturn the results. And while I think the Democrats are ready, I worry about what kind of unexpected things Trump's team has come up with.
274 2024-09-19 10:55:38
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I hope Thomas Miller is correct. It would be nice if Kamala can win North Carolina on Election Night and to win Michigan soon afterwards. It would mean that she'd just need to win PA or GA or NV+AZ or NV+WI or WI+AZ to win.
And obviously if she wins NC and MI high enough to be called fairly early, she's a good bet to win one of those combinations. It would be even better if she wins enough states convincingly to win on Election Night itself, but that feels like more of a pipe dream.
I know that early mail-in voting reports indicate that there's a smaller edge on likely Democratic votes than likely Republican votes than there was in 2020, but I think people are forgetting that people are much more likely to vote in person than they were in 2020. I just hope battleground Kamala voters vote early as opposed to voting on election day to avoid the intimidation-like behavior I'm expecting MAGA to try in those states.
275 2024-09-19 10:22:17
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Yeah, I'm sure there's a better metaphor. I just wanted to express someone who is constantly lied to by someone who doesn't have their best interests at heart. For whatever reason, Donald Trump is able to speak to these people, but it's so clear that Trump doesn't care about them. Trump reportedly is constantly insulting his own followers in private. But they truly believe that he's going to help them. They truly believe that they will be in mortal danger if he doesn't win.
For a lot of these people, they're ignorant to truths or they're undereducated about certain things. And with the echo chamber that a lot of these people live in, he can distort the truth to be whatever he wants, and there's no one there to fact check him. He can say ridiculous things about tariffs, and people that don't really understand tariffs will believe him. He can say that he's going to drastically reduce home insurance, and people will believe him.
And even if he doesn't do it, people will love him and trust him. Even if costs don't go down, Trump can say that things are better, and they'll probably believe him. It's like when Trump says that gas is $6.00 under Biden, and these same people go out, get gas for $2.89 and it doesn't register with them.
I get that a large swath of Trump supporters are bad people that are racist or misogynist or fascist or whatever. But I think a lot of Trump supporters are victims of a con man who's really good at conning people.
Dave Wasserman, from New Jersey, is a good read. He actually works with data, unlike Silver who's goal these days are to handicap elections for gamblers. Dave has helped publish the Cook Political "Swingometer." It's a genius tool, because you can see how turnout by demographics impacts the results. In fact, Dave mentioned that in say, Wisconsin, if Kamala retains the 2020 Black voter edge, she wins, but Trump could flip the state if that moves in his direction by just a few points. Likewise, demographic shifts in North Carolina have positioned the state to where if VP Harris retains the 2020 White voter numbers Biden had, she would flip the state. Give it a try!
I love Wasserman. He's *the* person to follow on election night and he's basically able to call states independently with his "I've seen enough" proclamations.
276 2024-09-18 08:53:19
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Nate Silver wrote a story the other day about how this election should really be a layup for Trump. Biden is deeply unpopular, the economy is good in certain ways but very bad in other ways (mostly around prices), and it's an election where people are looking for a new candidate. If the Republicans had nominated someone like DeSantis or even someone like Ted Cruz, they would probably be winning fairly handily vs Biden or Harris.
The problem is that the Republicans nominated Trump. Not only someone who is deeply unpopular himself but someone who unites the Democratic coalition in a way that no one else does. There's a chance that if the Republicans had selected Nikki Haley, for example, that women wouldn't be overwhelmingly supporting Harris even in the abortion environment we find ourselves in.
Then not only did Trump get nominated, he's made a number of mistakes. Selecting Vance was a mistake when he clearly needed to select a woman. He's made no effort to engage or attract middle of the road voters, leaving them susceptible to attraction to Harris. He's shored up the base, for sure, but he hasn't stopped. He appears almost never on any sort of mainstream media, opting exclusively for right-leaning/friendly media (unless the mainstream media is covering an event he's doing).
Now we can argue all day about Nate Silver and what he represents (I've certainly soured on him), but I do think he makes a good point. I think inflation alone made this a very difficult election for Biden or Harris. Prices are higher and even though it's not their fault and it's not a problem that will go away regardless of who wins the election, people are looking for a change at the top. People that voted for Biden as a change are now considering voting for Trump for another change. People that remember 2019 prices think that going back to Trump will go back to 2019 prices. That's a thing that's happening and nothing positive that Harris does or something negative that Trump does is going to change their minds.
But Trump has left an opening, and it's Harris' job to drive right through it.
I did find myself sad for Trump supporters last night. There was a question that an older woman in Michigan asked Trump in a town hall, and she basically sobbed through the idea that prices needed to come down and asked Trump for his plan. And his answer, of course, was nonsensical, but his plan is basically to try and reduce the cost of energy and hope that solves all his problems. His plan is to raise tariffs and assumes that American manufacturing can absorb all the new demand in every sector.
And I felt bad for the woman. She trusts this man explicitly, and he has no plan. Barely, as he would say, the concepts of a plan. Is there a chance that tariffs will increase American manufacturing? Sure. Will it happen in time and in every sector? I doubt it. Will drilling so much that the cost of gasoline goes down help with all prices? I can't imagine. And it will never go back down to 2019 prices just like 2019 prices were never going to go down to 2015 prices.
Now, in a wild attempt to convince voters, he's talking about how he's going to massively reduce home insurance costs. He didn't elaborate, of course, but people are going to believe him. And if he wins, they're going to expect him to follow through on his promises. And he's just not going to be able to. Either he's going to do nothing to help them, or he's going to actively make things worse.
And people are struggling. The problem is that Donald Trump has zero regard for them, and he wouldn't help them if he could. He'll help them if it also helps him, but that's about where it ends.
To me, his base is an abused wife that stays with him even though he's constantly abusive. He cheats on her, and he hits her. And yet she loves him, and she believes his lies. I hate Trump, but I pity his supporters. I really think they simply don't know any better, and they'll follow him to their own doom.
277 2024-09-17 12:42:05
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Polling has been pretty good since the debate. Nationally, she's gone up in a few polls (including as high as +6 in one), and she was +3 in a Pennsylvania poll that came out last night.
(I know it doesn't matter).
Some commentary:
1. I wouldn't expect a bump from the second "assassination attempt" since Trump was basically in no danger.
2. The national polls don't mean much. And a highly rated pollster from 2020 did have Trump +3 nationally. We can't just pay attention to the polls we like. I'm a little skeptical about pollsters that did well in 2020 because they're all Republican funded or Republican leaning. And I'm not sure if their success is because they were able to reach more GOP voters or if their success was a coincidence (polls leaned right and they lean right).
3. In the Pennsylvania poll, MAGA was celebrating because Biden and Clinton were both winning that poll bigger in 2020 and 2016, respectively. I know MAGA is anticipating polls being off big again this year, and I'm just not sure what to say about that. Fetterman actually performed better than this poll in 2022.
4. It does at least appear that Harris' debate performance caused her to get a slight bump, which was expected. Since voting starts pretty soon (and may have already started in PA?), hopefully that bump either helps with early voting or carries through to the election.
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I have no idea if the Haitian stuff hurts Trump or helps him. MAGA is pretty emphatically defending the idea that this stuff is happening, including both Trump and Vance.
I also don't know what's going to happen with this Laura Loomer stuff. She's certifiable.
278 2024-09-13 07:28:02
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Some of the post-debate polls are looking better. It's probably too early to feel good about any of it. We need to keep doing what Kamala is doing - and that's campaigning like she's losing. She had a huge rally in North Carolina last night (Trump talked to a couple thousand in Tucson and basically said the same thing from the debate). Walz is campaigning in the Midwest, talking to the people that he really knows.
She's also committed to more interviews, especially local stuff in the battleground states. She has more money and more of a ground game. I think the debate was great, but the election will be won in the next few weeks of people on the ground in the battleground states.
One really interesting note. Trump is attacking Haitians, and there are hundreds of thousands of Haitians in Florida. Is there any chance he upsets that population enough to make a difference? I don't know. But it could be laying seeds, and it might have an impact on local elections if they feel like Republicans hate them.
279 2024-09-12 18:39:58
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Immigration is a lost cause, everything that's been said, has been said.
Maybe. I agree they should've pivoted right a long time ago. One survey from a while back found that almost no one thinks that Biden was too liberal on the border so I'm not sure who they think they'll lose if they're harsher on the border. That being said, I think two things are possible:
- Harris needs to do a better job of using statistics. People think that the border is literally open and people are just walking in. That's not happening, and we stop millions of people that try to get in. I know MAGA people might not listen to official statistics, but moderates probably will.
- "THEY'RE EATING THE DOGS" is so hyperbole that people might actually start thinking that Trump is making stuff up or they might start looking into it themselves. I live in Texas, and I think I'd notice if tens of millions of people had shown up.
On the economy, I think Kamala can make inroads. She had some specifics, and he had nothing. One post-debate poll had them pretty close on the economy. I think the economy will be much more of a factor than the border so if that holds true, I think she'll do okay.
I still don't think anyone really has the inside track. Unless polling is crazy off, she should win Wisconsin and Michigan - they're the ones seemingly leaning the most in either direction. That would put her 19 votes away. Trump would have to basically sweep the rest of the states to win. If they're all truly tossups, then it will just come down to who shows up to vote. It could come down to how the economy does in October. It could come down to how people feel on the day.
280 2024-09-12 16:03:01
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Trump says he won't do another debate.
On one hand, I think this is really good. There's no way he'd be as unprepared for another debate, and it could wash out the effect of this one. If she struggles or if he's more on his game, it could be worse news closer to the election.
On the other hand, if she can just easily get under his skin and if he goes into a debate with the same lazy attitude, a second debate way closer to Election Day could be huge. Even though this is the second debate, it's still really early as far as debates go. We're still weeks away from election day, and this is during a time when people's attention spans are nonexistent. People might've completely forgotten about this debate by the time the election comes around, and I assume that's what his campaign is going for.
He's flip flopped on this before and maybe he'll do another one - there's tons of time. But if he's really done, it's incumbent on her to make sure people don't forget.
281 2024-09-11 14:09:30
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Agreed. Her campaign seems to be pretty solid so I'm sure they're turning over whatever stones they think they need to. It's hard to know if the stuff in Georgia worked (there still hasn't been any high-quality polls there), but I'm going to trust they know what they're doing. Even if we know better than them, there's no way they're looking at a Sliders BBoard for advice. If they are, hire Grizzlor ![]()
She has the edge in money and now she's regained some momentum. Let's see what she does with it. Looks like she's doing a couple of rallies tomorrow in North Carolina. Trump is following up in Arizona.
282 2024-09-11 10:33:24
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Yeah I wonder if he realizes that Kennedy is mostly toxic. Or he is such an afterthought that Trump literally forgot about him.
I was also surprised that Kamala didn't mention that she would put a Republican in her cabinet. I think a lot of Americans would be interested in some sort of coalition government, and I figured that would help with Republicans that really don't want to vote for Trump. I assume she means someone like Kinzinger or Cheney, but it could maybe give anti-Trump Republicans an excuse to vote for her (and, like Liz Cheney urged people, to not just write in some Republican but actually vote for her).
But, yeah, he looked so awful with absolutely no ideas. I can't imagine any undecideds who were impressed by him, and that's where I think she could've been a little better in defining herself. But I would assume she at least opened the door for some of those people to leave Trump or vote for her, and she's going to need to really hit the ground running. I completely agree that she needs to reach more "normal people" but I wonder if she's doing that locally in places like Pennsylvania and North Carolina and we just don't see it in Texas or New York (or are you NJ?)
I assume the Harris campaign knows what they're doing, but you're absolutely right that there are light and easy venues she could take advantage of. Before she was the actual nominee, I was thinking she needed to really blanket the airwaves. Show up on all kinds of shows - CMT, BET, MTV. Do all kinds of podcasts/YouTube shows/TikTok channels, even people that aren't traditionally political. I'm old and out of the loop, but I'm thinking it might be fun for her to do something like Dude Perfect and have her screw around with a football or foosball or pickleball. Reach some people who never pay attention to politics and show that she's fun and outgoing and stuff like that.
Again, she probably knows better than me. But I'd be doing something like that literally every day. Call in to podcasts and make any video stuff come to you. Because they will.
283 2024-09-11 10:20:12
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Yeah I understand that. I do think they can be slow.
This one is 8 25-minute episodes. I guess some of it could probably be cut but they try to do character development, and that means situations like the movies where the terminator shows up and then they escape.
I don't know, give it a shot if you're interested. I'm curious what people think about it.
284 2024-09-11 09:55:27
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Yeah I have trouble connecting with the artwork, but I can get through it if the story is good. And this story is pretty solid - after 40 years of Terminator stuff, it's a fresh look at the franchise. They also take advantage of the fact that the Terminator is in a place where it isn't as easy to get guns. So he has to improvise a bit more.
285 2024-09-11 09:54:10
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Yeah, I think Harris needs to do a national ad asking about how the deportation would work and whether people trust the government to pull that off. How could they do this and not deport actual citizens? I think it would be a great opportunity to take advantage of everyone's mistrust of the government. Do one of those ads where a family gets woken up in the middle of the night and you see it from their perspective. Guys with guns knock on the door and wake them up and drag them out of their house!
"We're citizens! We're citizens!"
"They're on the list, put them in the van"
"Do you trust the government to get it right?"
Do it in English and in Spanish and make it national.
286 2024-09-11 08:05:23
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Anyone watch Terminator Zero on Netflix?
I don't love anime, but I think it's a pretty interesting story. Almost all of Terminator is set in Los Angeles, and it's interesting to see the perspective of another location. I have three episodes left, but I like it so far.
I also rewatched the original Terminator. I forgot how much damage the Terminator takes. He's not invincible, and he's pretty roughed up even before he gets blown up. It ended up being a bit more realistic than I remembered - he's strong and doesn't stop, but he takes damage from car wrecks and falls. I feel like some of that got lost as the series continued.
287 2024-09-11 07:26:12
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Okay having slept on it, there are my thoughts:
The Good
- I wanted Trump to look old and crazy, and oh boy. I thought she might lean into him being old, but I guess she didn't think that it would work with Biden being older. I think it was the only attack that she didn't attempt, but Trump certainly faded as the evening went on. His final statement was pathetic.
- "THEY'RE EATING THE DOGS" will be the sound byte of the debate. I imagine we will see the Harris campaign use that to show how unhinged Trump is.
- Trump set up Kamala to be so dumb and incompetent that she didn't really need to do much to surpass those expectations. She had some flaws (which I'll get to), but she was extremely prepared, she was (mostly) composed, and I think she came across as ready for the job. I don't want to say "presidential" because I think that word has been mangled a bit, but she did well.
- I was impressed that ABC did any fact checking on the fly, and they hit him on the two biggest points. Like Grizzlor said, he actually argued with them on the dogs thing which was insane for him. They also confirmed that in no state is it legal to "execute" a baby which also made him look radical (and dumb).
- Polymarket (which might be slanted to the right, I don't know a ton about it) had her overwhelmingly as the winner and it caused the race to move. CNN had her winning big (24 points I think). The pundits made it all about Trump and how crazy he looked.
- I think this will make Trump go even crazier, and I assume it continues to hurt him.
The Bad
- Not a ton, but Kamala did dodge questions. She ignored the first question about whether people are better off than they were four years ago. She ignored the question about Afghanistan. She ignored most of the question about her flip-flopping. This isn't necessarily a problem because I think she mostly got away with it. I think it will be important for her to continue to address it.
- She could've been more specific on her plans and separating herself from Biden. She wants to paint herself as a new direction, but she didn't really respond to how she'd be different than Biden.
- I think she had the opportunity to either own certain things or deflect some of the "blame" on Biden for certain things. "I will do X different than Biden did" or "Here's how I would have handled X." To be clear, I would not want her to throw Biden under the bus, but it would've been good for her to distance herself from Biden on a thing or two.
- I also think she needed to hammer home that Trump was responsible for a lot of the economic issues. I think she was strong on charting a new course for the economy (whether she can do it or not), but I thought she was weak on explaining the truth behind the economy.
- It was good for her to essentially let Trump look argumentative and let him speak, but I think she could've called for another minute of time a few times to call out something Trump said on rebuttal.
The Unknowns
- Does it matter? Did enough undecideds watch? Will enough undecideds pay attention? Did enough soft Republicans get turned off by the version of Trump they saw? And did any of those people live in the seven battleground states?
- Can Harris capitalize? She should regain some of the momentum she lost. I'm sure she made a ton of money last night, and I can't imagine the Trump campaign will be able to fundraise much from that. Pennsylvania is obviously the golden goose, but there's a path for her to win the other states and win the election. She needs either North Carolina or Georgia, and she'd need to sweep the others. She's massively outspending Trump everywhere but Pennsylvania so she needs to match/beat him there and hope to make inroads everywhere else.
- Will the mainstream media cover the debate "normally" or cover some of his unhinged moments? I watched almost no post-debate coverage so I'm not sure whether "THEY'RE EATING THE DOGS" was shown on the news last night / this morning or if they focused on the more coherent sound bytes.
The Swifties
I think it's better to have Taylor Swift's endorsement, but I don't know if it moves the needle at all. I assume anyone who was going to vote for Harris already did, and any Trump supporters that listen to Taylor probably won't flip. I think there's a slight chance that she can bring in some young voters, but I assume a lot of that work was already done.
288 2024-09-10 20:49:33
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Oh wow, that went super well for Kamala. Trump rambled on and on and on and on, which I didn't think he'd be able to do in two minutes. Kamala was great - I think she dodged a couple major questions, but I think she was overall very strong and intelligent.
I don't know how much it matters, but I think this was a home run. I'm hoping undecided voters watched and paid attention because they saw an old crazy person and someone who wants to turn the page.
289 2024-09-10 12:57:36
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I think we're going to get a lot of clarity after tonight. I don't know if the standard voter watched the DNC or any of the Kamala rallies. They might not have watched the interview with her and Walz or any of her speeches as vice president. There's a decent chance this will be the first time a lot of people have heard Kamala speak at any length, and I think this could set the table for the final stretch of the campaign.
I don't think a ton is at stake, but I think enough is at stake to define the election. Kamala can either win some of the people who are trusting Trump by default (either because he's done the job before or because they have fond memories of the time he was president), or she can lose some of the people that she gained when Biden dropped out (if they decide she's not ready, they don't actually like her, etc). I don't know if Trump has as much to gain because he's such a known quantity, but he doesn't have to gain much (or for her to lose much) for him to be back in the driver's seat.
I think she needs to look intelligent, competent, responsible, trustworthy, and presidential. We need him to look old, crazy, selfish, and Trumpy. 51 million people watched the last debate, and I think this one could be even bigger.
290 2024-09-09 18:12:18
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Kamala needs to be campaigning like she's down. Hillary's campaign didn't do the things it needed to do down the stretch, and she lost. Kamala needs to spend the next few weeks going after every vote she can.
I did like that she created a new ad with all of Trump's "best hires" all saying they don't want him back in the White House. Kamala is going to air it on Fox News and locally in Pennsylvania and in the area of Mar-A-Lago. I sorta love the pettiness. Since Trump is essentially going all in on Pennsylvania, she has an opportunity to really reach some voters that he won't be able to reach in the other battleground states.
It would make me nervous as heck, but it would be absolutely hilarious if Trump won Pennsylvania but lost the other six battleground states.
291 2024-09-09 16:11:21
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I like the positive enthusiasm.
I was very nervous about the Biden/Trump debate. I'm excited about the Kamala/Trump debate. It's going to be very difficult for Kamala to navigate a debate like this, but she'll be very prepared and she's good at thinking on her feet. One thing I read about her is that she needs to try and avoid "meme-able" moments and just put together a good performance. She's gotten tripped up a couple times in the past trying to make a moment happen. She should let those moments come to her and let Trump bury himself.
292 2024-09-09 13:20:01
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Yeah I hope it comes up tomorrow. And I assume his answer will be something like "I did what everyone wanted and I moved it back to the states. That's what everyone wanted. They wanted it to go back to the states and that's where it is. Hannibal Lecter. Sharks. Tariffs. I'm a Christian."
293 2024-09-09 10:05:35
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Oh, he's already done that. He flip flopped immediately on bad public reaction and lost pro-lifers.
Yeah, that's what I was referring to. I wonder what kind of language he's going to use when abortion comes up tomorrow. If he says "reproductive rights" in an attempt to court women, he might lose pro-lifers. If he doesn't say that, he could continue to lose women that aren't MAGA or crazy pro-life. I actually don't understand what his original pivot was about because I feel like those groups of people were already pretty clear on what camp they were in. Pro-lifers are pretty one-issue people, and they already have what they want. If they feel like they just need to play defense in the Senate and that the Supreme Court is pretty safe, a less-than-pro-life Donald Trump doesn't give them anything.
Now those people won't vote for Kamala Harris, but I'll take a nullified Trump vote.
294 2024-09-09 08:47:29
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NYT came out with a poll yesterday that had Trump up one. Everyone lost their minds, but it obviously went in two different camps. GOP said it was clear that the Harris honeymoon is over and everyone came back to their original camps. Liberals said there were crosstabs issues (oversampling of both Republicans and evangelicals). I'm sure both are possible.
(I know it doesn't matter, Grizzlor, but I'm doing this anyway).
My aunt is a pretty avid MSNBC watcher and fairly active in politics. She's one of the large number of people who listens in on a lot of the Harris activist zoom calls, and she comes to me for analysis on some of the things she's hearing and doing. For her, she's struggling with the idea that people would've switched to Trump in the last month or so. She can't understand why anyone would jump on the Trump train now. For me, it would need to be someone in one of three camps:
1. RFK Jr voters. Whether they were going to vote for Trump the whole time or not, these are people that either love RFK so much that they'll listen to his endorsement and vote for Trump or vote for Trump to get RFK Jr involved in the government somewhere.
2. Double haters. These are people that hated Trump and hated Biden. Maybe some of them initially jumped on the Harris bandwagon because she was *literally anyone else* but either struggled to connect with her or just decided that they liked something about Trump better.
3. Undecideds who finally just decided to land on Trump instead of Harris. They needed to make a decision and just made a decision.
I think all of these situations are possible, and all of these shifts could have already happened or could happen all the way up until election day.
Now who's going to go into the Harris camp? It's basically the same group of people:
1. Double haters. People that hated Trump and were turned off by Biden at some point in the last four years. Harris is new and refreshing and so they go with her.
2. Undecideds that make their decision. Instead of picking Trump, they pick Kamala.
3. People Trump sheds. I think it's possible that *some* RFK voters could go to Kamala, but I don't think it's a big-enough group to rely on. I Think RFK voters are going to either still vote for RFK, write in RFK where he's no longer on the ballot, vote for a different 3rd party on the ballot, or vote for Trump. Any Democrats who were going to vote for RFK based off of name recognition, I think, switched to Harris when Biden dropped out (I think they were "Double Haters"). So I think that's insignificant. Now I do think there's a chance that Trump sheds some votes in the next 50 days, and I think a lot of it relies on tomorrow's debate. If Trump looks rambly and old and crazy tomorrow night, I think some people might reconsider. I assume a lot of non-MAGA Trump votes are coming from people who just think he's more reliable because he's done the job before. If Trump can actually look a little bit like the way they saw Biden (old and possibly losing his marbles), I think those votes could go to Harris.
I think there's a chance that Trump says or does something that loses him pro-life voters, but I don't think those people go to Kamala. It can help her if they don't vote for him, but obviously it's better if they get those votes. And there's just no way they vote for her. Maybe I'm underestimating it, but I think the endorsements of the Cheneys doesn't move the needle much. I think the Bush/Cheney conservatives have already left, and I think Liz has been openly anti-Trump for a long-enough time that nothing would change.
One thing that could possibly make a dent is Liz Cheney saying that "not voting for Trump is not enough - you need to vote for Kamala." I think there's a slight chance that makes a difference with some people. People like Mitt Romney have always said they've written in some classical Republican, but there's a chance that Liz Cheney can convince some anti-Trump Republicans that they have permission to vote for a Democrat not just for president but downballot as well (she also endorsed Colin Allred in Texas...not sure if she endorsed others but that was obviously news here).
Again, I think Liz Cheney has been visible and active enough that she's convinced all the people she was going to convince. But if she can convince enough people that were going to write someone in to vote for her, it could make a difference in some places. Hopefully she does some sort of ad in the battleground states.
But if you look at the polls, Trump has been pretty consistent. I don't think he's losing voters or adding voters. I think if he has a average/standard debate, the number of people that were going to vote for him in July are still going to vote for him in November. I think it's all about people that actually choose to vote for Kamala.
And that's why I think the debate tomorrow is important. If Trump answers questions like he answered the "Child Care costs" question from the weekend, I think he could lose people who don't pay much attention to the 2024 version of Trump. And I think Harris could impress people who aren't familiar with her at all (or lose those same people if she looks unprepared or in over her head).
I know she's working really hard at debate prep (and has gotten much better than the 2019 debates that she struggled with) and he's not prepping at all. He doesn't really debate and he lies so much that he doesn't really need to learn facts or figures. I'm sure she'll be prepared, but I'm hoping she can walk the tightrope, both standing up to him and refuting his lies and actually delivering the types of answers that people are looking for. If I were advising her (and I should not be advising her), my advice would be for her to mostly ignore Trump and just answer questions. I think if she looks professional and knowledgeable, I think she'll look presidential. I think she should leave the fact-checking to the analysts, even though I have little faith that they'll do that. But ignoring Trump and delivering a message will allow her the better chance of coming out with more voters than she came in with.
295 2024-09-06 07:06:39
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This is one of the reasons why we need Harris to win. The DoJ will stop investigating all of this stuff. We need to maintain a "neutral" justice department (I'm sure it's not purely neutral but it needs to be as neutral as it has been in the past).
296 2024-09-05 13:26:43
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Well I fret that Harris has allowed a lot of the momentum to fade, as she and Walz have been campaigning but the country doesn't see them. The staff is obviously full of Biden personnel who are antagonistic towards the press, and it's stupid. She should be doing every celebrity podcast there is, there's plenty of softball ones for her to do. Even if they don't want her on TV shows, which again, is short-sighted. Harris is barely in the news highlights anymore. They're rolling out a pro-small business economic plan this week. Who's covering it? You don't see anything, because he's not directly speaking to the press.
I completely agree, but I also wonder if we're just not seeing it because she's not focusing on either of our states (rightly). Our votes don't matter so our experience might be different than the experience of someone in one of the seven battlegrounds.
I am weirded out by her not doing more national stuff, but the national vote doesn't really matter. If the stuff they're doing on the state level isn't working, that's more of a problem. But if it's working, then less national stuff doesn't bother me. Again we haven't had any quality state level polling (I don't know how that's possible - what are they doing?) in a long time so we don't really have any idea how her bus trip through Georgia impacted anything.
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This story is also not super important, but it's a nice indicator that Harris could/should win. Lichtman uses different "keys" that have to be unlocked to see who the winner is. He missed Bush/Gore (which was crazy close) and actually underestimated Trump in the popular vote in 2016. It also doesn't mean anything, but it's another positive sign that she might be able to win.
297 2024-09-05 09:29:28
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I'm sorry it wasn't good for Grizzlor. I'd be curious to know what Slider_Quinn21 thought and if he feels the series is incomplete now cancelled.
Eh. I didn't love the Acolyte. I certainly didn't hate it as much as so many other people did. I watch a ton of stuff and most of it isn't great, but I guess I just have a low threshold for something that is enjoyable and entertaining. I mean I've watched every single episode of everything show the Walking Dead has spit out. I hate watch stuff, I watch stuff while I'm working, and I occasionally watch stuff with so little of my attention that I have to go find a recap to figure out what I just spent forty minutes "watching."
But I thought the Acolyte had a good storyline. I already brought up what felt like a weird thing regarding the Jedi and how they're portrayed, but I thought the story was engaging. It presented the Jedi as people who are generally trying to do good in the galaxy but some people got in over their heads...and are now facing consequences. Some of the "twists" were dumb, and it wasn't anything groundbreaking but it was watchable I thought. But, again, I might have a lower threshold than most.
Am I torn up that there's not more? I don't think so. I thought the story concluded pretty well. I don't necessarily think the story was over, but I don't think there was a huge need for it to keep going. I'm not torn up that it's not coming back. Just like I'm cool with Obi-Wan being done or something like Moon Knight not getting a season two.
I do feel bad for all the people involved who were seemingly ruined before they even got the chance. Star Wars fans have gotten so toxic.
298 2024-09-05 08:54:45
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I mean at the end of the day, it's all meaningless. Polls have errors, and the models that are built are based on the erred polls. Betting markets don't mean anything, as any sports fan will tell you. Upsets happen all the time no matter how good Vegas does at creating betting lines. Even when a game isn't against the spread, David beats Goliath in sports enough that it always needs to be considered.
It's going to be a close election that comes down to election day and a few thousand people in a few states. A thousand different factors could affect the result, including weather and unpredictable human nonsense.
But for me, it's about vibes and confidence. When I see that my team is favored to win a game, no matter how many times betting lines have been wrong, I feel better going into the game. I don't feel cheated or angry if it goes the wrong way, but it just makes me feel better. The idea that Harris is polling better makes me feel better. The fact that these pollsters make millions of dollars to predict this stuff and get raked across the coals when they get it wrong makes me feel better about trusting them.
I've had so much existential dread about this stupid election that I just want to feel okay that a literal psychopath won't be running my country for another four years. I know it's dumb and I know that it means nothing and I know that we aren't going to know anything until after November 3rd. But if you think that's going to stop me, just start ignoring my dumb little posts ![]()
299 2024-09-05 07:38:15
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I like that. Nate Silver also seems to be hesitant that there will be a huge polling error. He thinks (and I think I agree) that polling is mostly good but was thrown out of whack by the shift in the electorate in 2016 and the Covid situation in 2020. That, while it's been 100% happening in every Donald Trump election, that it's a sample size of two and that's not great for a statistician. It could be one of those "Crime rates and ice cream sales are directly related" things where it looks like they're related but they're not.
I would like some high-quality polling from swing states to feel better. Feels like it's been forever since we had one.
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I read an interesting opinion piece from a conservative. It was one of those "conservatives are better off if Kamala wins" but not (fully) from the perspectives of a Liz Cheney-like conservative. The writer (and I would love to link but I couldn't find it in a quick google search) talked about how the GOP is probably going to win the Senate and maybe the House...so even if Harris wanted to do some sort of crazy progressive agenda, it probably wouldn't work. That Republicans in the House and Senate (and, if needed, the Supreme Court) would be there to push back on anything she wanted to do. And, then, having a Democrat in the White House would help increase the GOP lead in Congress going into 2028.
It did talk about finally getting Trump out of their party, but that was the piece that they felt least confident in. That even if Trump was gone, those currently-reliable Republican voters might never come back.
I just thought it was an interesting perspective. A sort of "Republicans can lose the battle but win the war" and it was actually fairly convincing. My biggest fear going forward for Democrats is how do they maintain their voting block without Trump to hold them together? It's hard to appeal to white suburban voters who care about climate change and abortion, while also appealing to blue collar union workers who just care about putting food on the table.
I assume after Trump is gone, whenever that is, that there will be another shift in the electorate and a bunch of the MAGA people will be up for grabs.
300 2024-09-03 13:47:23
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