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I absolutely see what the first reviewer is saying.  And, honestly, I think all that is in there.  Batman kills people in them middle of the movie.  He's branding people and sending them to prison to die.  He's absolutely lost his way.  And at the end, the implication is that Bruce is changed.  That he let Superman down but won't anymore.  It's all in there.

But both reviews are right in that Superman is portrayed as someone who is so cold and distant that he can't possibly be that beacon of light.  Instead of offering Bruce the chance to save Martha instead of killing Superman as a way to bring him back, it came off as confusing to me.  Superman could've easily saved Martha in ten seconds without any of the destruction and/or possible death we ended up seeing. Superman couldn't possibly know that Luthor had a Kryptonian monster so Batman should've been the one to confront Luthor.  I absolutely see what the script was trying.  But as I've been saying, Snyder is just not the right guy for this job.

I think the problem is that Snyder wanted to do a Batman movie.  So the movie is a Batman movie with Superman in it.  For the Batman movie to work, Superman can't be a guy who's clearly a good guy.  He can't be smiling with kids and babies.  He can't be saving Air Force One or protecting a bunch of innocents.  When he rescues people, he has to have dead eyes.  Otherwise, Batman really is a psychopath who is attacking the greatest hero the Earth has.  There has to be doubt.  Superman has to be portrayed as the bad guy.  And for most of the movie, he is.  In retrospect, the bathtub scene is way out of place because it shows a Superman who has fun.  Who smiles.  Who legitimately cares.  That Superman is completely absent the rest of the movie.

I don't blame Cavill.  I think he's just doing what he was told.

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So I've allowed myself to read and listen to some of the more harsh reviews of Batman/Superman.  From Max Landis to Kevin Smith to the guys at the Weekly Planet, I think people are definitely being a little too harsh on the movie.  Some of the motivations are lame and weak, and the characterizations aren't great.  But I felt like this was a movie that people were eager to tear apart, as opposed to something like Force Awakens, where people were willing to forgive.

That being said, whether or not the movie succeeds, the film was designed as a launching pad for an entire DCCU.  And as some people have shown, there are some huge issues with that.  I know we've done a bunch of spoiler tags, but I feel like this one is important.

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Regardless of what you think about Batman killing, he seems to be doing a lot of it.  And, yes, Batman has killed before, but this one seems to be a lot more intentional.  If that's this version of Batman, that's fine.  But it does affect a solo Batman movie.  If Batman is willing to kill a couple dozen thugs for Lex, what's to stop him from immediately trying to kill the Joker (or the Penguin or whoever) the second they step out of line?  Is this a Batman whose first move is to kill?  Would that ruin a Batman solo film?

So Superman is dead.  We all know that he's not, and the last shot of the movie hints at that.  But it wasn't just Superman who died - Clark Kent died too.  I don't remember how this was handled in Death of Superman, but it was in the Daily Planet.  They buried him.  Not only that, they actually buried the Clark Kent version in Smallville.  People would've seen the body go in the ground.  How would they explain Clark Kent's resurrection when Superman comes back?  Is the secret identity done?  I realize the secret identity isn't a big part of this universe, but you gotta think that affects Man of Steel 2, right?

The Justice League tease.  So in the stolen data, there's the info on the Justice League, right?  There's files on Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg.  So it's obvious that Lex has information on these super-powered people.  First, why doesn't Lex include them in his plan to kill Superman?  Why use Batman to kill Superman when he has so much info on these other, more powerful people?  He already blackmails Superman and manipulates Batman.  Couldn't he do the same with them.

Then the weirder one.  In the data, the headings are the various logos for each hero.  It's first used as a tease, and then the movie uses the logos to show each hero.  WW symbol is Wonder Woman, lightning bolt is Flash, A is Aquaman, etc.  But these heroes aren't active.  We don't see Barry saving someone in his costume, he's in street clothes.  Aquaman is just out swimming.  Cyborg isn't doing anything.  As far as we know, these guys aren't active yet.  Lex seems to know more about their powers than anything.  Did Lex create their logos?  Did Lex give them their superhero names?  Isn't that a little crazy?

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Fair enough.  I realize the whole "breaking one movie into two movies theatrically" is relatively recent, but it's such a pervasive thing now that I figured that's what they were doing.  Good to know I was wrong.

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ireactions wrote:

According to a November 2015 interview, they're not being filmed back to back.

http://batman-news.com/2015/11/13/wonde … -revealed/

That makes much more sense.  But if that's the case, the titling is a bit bizarre.  Oh well, my mistake.

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Well, Alan Sepinwall had a great point.  Supergirl's numbers jumped when Flash was on board.  Meaning that CW fans came over to watch Barry on Supergirl.  In other words, CBS (the #1 network) depended on the CW to boost their ratings.  That's simply incredible, and it shows how the CW has really done well in terms of producing original programming.  They really took advantage of the superhero craze, and the other networks either failed to take advantage or simply failed when they tried.

And I'd like to see more crossovers.  What's interesting is the complete lack of overlap in the two universes.  If Kara or Clark exist in the Arrowverse (and Rip Hunter implied Superman exists), then they haven't made themselves public.  And they flat-out said that Flash, Green Arrow, and Black Canary don't exist in Supergirl's universe.  Not only that, but none of the Flash cast existed. 

I know it was done to avoid more crossovers in that episode (because Barry would use Team Flash to get home instead of Team Kara), but it is interesting that they've basically set up a Venn Diagram where nothing really crosses over.  Although I gotta think that Kara looked up Barry on her earth, and Barry looked up Kara when he got home.

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I'm not a Felicity hater, but the team was so much more fun with Curtis in the "Overwatch" role.

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Wait.....wait....wait.

So the next movie is Suicide Squad.  Cool.  Looks fun.

Then Wonder Woman.  Awesome.  She was teased in BvS.  Looked great.  Looking forward to seeing her first movie.

Then Justice League Part One.  Cool.  We've set everyone up.  We know Batman.  Know Superman.  We'll know Wonder Woman.  We got teases of the others.  Awesome.

Then....Flash?  Then Aquaman?  Then Shazam?

THEN Justice League Part Two?  Wha....?

So how is that even going to work?  Are Justice League Part One and Justice League Part Two not connected?  Is it going to be like Avengers and Avengers 2?  Because it seems like they're doing it like Mockingjay or the last Harry Potter or Infinity Wars - where it's one long movie that they're splitting in two as opposed to two separate movies.  But if Flash and Aquaman are having solo adventures after part one, then part one can't end on a cliffhanger, can it?  So it can't be one long movie, I guess?

Because when they announced it, I'm picturing Darkseid standing on Superman's neck, about to kill him.  An army of parademons flying above a devastated Justice League.  To be continued in Part Two.  Which really doesn't lend itself to a fun Flash solo adventure taking place after it.

So is the titling not the way that it looks?  I know the 2-part thing is a pretty new development, but I thought for sure that's what they were doing with Justice League.

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Yeah I read that too.  I didn't hate it as much as he did, but he does point out most of the film's flaws.

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I've seen several reviewers who have been accused of giving certain story elements from Star Wars: The Force Awakens a pass but then punishing Batman v Superman for the same stuff.  And while I didn't love BvS, I'm in complete agreement.  And most of the critics seem to agree with the sentiment too, with not much more than "well, it's just how I feel" as their counterargument.  I guess it's because Star Wars was fun and BvS wasn't?  Because while I agree with that, I think Batman v Superman was better than The Force Awakens.

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The Supergirl/Flash crossover worked really, really well.  I thought it was great.  The way the fight ended was super cheesy, but most of the Barry/Kara scenes were pretty great.  I also thought it was a bit silly how he ended up in the Supergirl universe, and I thought it was a bit silly that they assumed running fast would send him back.  But, oh well, it was worth it.

I do wonder if it's going to have any impact on the Arrowverse.  Will Barry try and look for alien life?  Will Kara ever reference the Flash again?

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Jessie becomes a speedster too, right?

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You could easily shave 45-minutes off of this film and lose nothing.

Yeah.  I do think they did a decent job of tying most things back (whether they were tied well, like your example, is another matter).  There were times when I was watching and wondering if we had time for Batman to take down a Russian mobster or if we had time for a Lois investigation.  Or if we had to meet Wallace, the Wayne employee.  And all those things ended up playing a role in the story.  And I was never really bored with the movie - I just felt like it thought it was more important than it actually was.  And these days, important = long (see The Revenant)

And like I said in one of my posts, this movie desperately needed a Superman Returns - like scene where Superman saves the day in some thrilling, extraordinary way.  It would've injected some fun into what ended up being a somber story.

There's a moment in the end where Wonder Woman is fighting, and she smiles because she's facing an enemy she respects.  Even though it's a dangerous situation, she's having fun with it because she probably hasn't had to fight like that in decades.  And she shows more personality in that three seconds than Superman shows in the whole film.

For some reason, they've been showing Superman III on SyFy recently, and I watched about three minutes of it the other day.  It was the scene where Clark and Lana are out with her kid bowling.  And it's a stupid, ridiculous scene because Clark ends up using a super-sneeze to knock down all the pins for Lana's kid, and the pins explode and everyone has a laugh even though it's an insanely over-the-top scene.  And while I agree with Info that the Reeve movies aren't the golden level that everyone says they are, I think they captured the spirit of Superman there.  A kid was getting bullied, and Clark used his powers to make the kid feel like a superhero.  He inspired the kid and made him feel like Superman for a second.  That's something I associate with Superman...making people feel better....that Snyder's Superman doesn't have any of.  I see no reason to love Snyder's Superman.  I'd be terrified of him.

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Thanks smile

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Was Jessica Alba good in Dark Angel?  I never watched it.

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Deserve or not, Hunter and Bobbi are getting a pilot for a spinoff.  Not sure how far along it is, but that's why they were disavowed.

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Informant wrote:

I don't get the last episode of Agents of SHIELD. Why would Bobbi and Hunter have to be disavowed by an organization that has already been disavowed? Aren't all of the SHIELD agents already considered terrorists by the world?

Because spinoff.

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ireactions wrote:

I went home and watched THE FLASH and ARROW afterwards and was pleased to be reminded that superheroes can actually be FUN.

Pretty much.

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Well, I mean I guess it depends.  The military's position on Superman (in both the movie and the prequel comic) is "well, what are we supposed to do?"  The surveillance they were trying at the end of the last movie is either nonexistant or irrelevant.  He seems to have no capacity within the government (think the DEO in Supergirl), and it doesn't appear that the government has done anything in response to the Battle of Metropolis.

And, yeah, it rippled through the movie.  It was definitely the catalyst.  But what was the real impact?  Metropolis seems like business as usual.  There's a memorial, but it seems like everything else is pretty much rebuilt (keeping in mind how long it took to rebuild the Twin Towers, New Orleans after Katrina, etc).  The movie made a big deal about the talking heads dealing with Superman, but the public opinion seems to be the public opinion of mainstream Superman.  Yeah, he's powerful, but he'd never hurt us.

When I saw the government scenes in the trailers.  "Today is a day for truth."  "This committee finds him responsible."  I, naturally I think, assumed that he was going to stand in front of a committee for the Battle of Metropolis.  But in the movie, it's a significantly smaller incident that he's having to face the government for.  If there was any sort of hearing, it's not referenced in any of the pre-movie materials or the movie.  That was a little frustrating.

So most people in the movie just trust Superman, despite the fact that Superman doesn't have the warm, media-friendly persona in this universe that he seems to have in every other version of the character.  There are some protesters, sure.  But you get the idea from the movie that it's not a widespread thing (or there'd be more protests at his statue).  In fact the statue is regarded in the movie as "beloved" - not even "controversial"

So the people in the movie who are anti-Superman are Wallace (who is manipulated by Lex), Lex (who approaches the government first), and Bruce (who immediately wants to kill him).  It's just weird that Bruce is in the same boat as Lex, and Bruce seems the angrier/more violent person.  When Batman and Superman fight, it's usually about a disagreement in how to handle something.  It's a disagreement on how things should be done.  Batman has always kept kryptonite on hand just in case, but I think he understands that Clark is a good person.

Mr Sunday Movies said that the disagreement they have would've been easily resolved with a one-minute conversation between two hyperintelligent people.  And Bruce had 18 months to follow Superman and see if he's really such a bad guy.  And, I'd think, a mid-40s Batman (1981 is when the Waynes died....if Bruce was 8, he was born in 1973 and would be 43 in 2016) would be more reasonable than a young, mentally-unstable Lex Luthor Jr.  Instead, Bruce starts the movie in the typical Lex Luthor "yeah, he's saved people, but he's a threat to everyone!" mindset.  And that was odd to me.

And, yes, Superman learned from his mistake.  As soon as he can, he flies Doomsday away from people.  That was good to see.  However, I thought it was a bit ridiculous that the movie kept reinforcing that no one was around.  It was after hours, so the business district was empty.  That island they landed on between Gotham and Metropolis was uninhabited.  The warehouse at the end was abandoned.  We get it - you want to make sure we know that no one is around.  It got distracting by the end to the point where I felt like the writers were almost making fun of the people who complained about the death in the first movie.

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I'm able to overlook alot of its problems, but I do wish we would have been given a more visual example of what I think happened to Bruce in this movie.   A montage of Batman's 20 year career so far could have shown us how his heroic ideals were slowly chipped away until all that remained was the vigilante; that each loss made him cross more and more lines until finally he was at a point where he felt no remorse in killing Superman.   This journey for Bruce was hinted at (especially through Alfred's dialogue), but I think the montage would have done a much better job of making this clear.

Yeah, I think it would've been a lot more helpful than another version of the death of the Waynes.  I don't know what it is about that sequence that makes people want to film it again and again.  I did read a theory that since two semi-high-profile actors (Jeffrey Dean Morgan and Lauren Cohan) were playing the Waynes that they might eventually play around with Flashpoint.  Not sure if that would happen or not.

In my review, I asked all the questions I wanted to know about Batman.  There's a ton.  And I almost wish they'd just cast Affleck as Nolan's Batman and just pretended that all took place in the same universe.  Because then, at least, we'd know the backstory.  For a 2:30 movie mostly about Batman, we know surprisingly little about him.  I think a lot of it is just supposed to be assumed, but this is a Batman who seems to casually kill people.  Who disturbingly decides to use guns in the Knightmare.  And who seemingly is so overwhelmed with rage that he makes no effort to investigate whether or not Superman is a good guy or a bad guy.  I know he's assisted by a cold/alien Superman who never smiles, but the movie just lumps Batman with Lex and some protesters in the only group of people who think Superman is dangerous.  Even the military, who seemed somewhat concerned with Superman at the end of Man of Steel, doesn't seem that worried about him until the very end.  I thought that was very odd.

So I was thinking about the DCCU vs the MCU, and I kept coming back to the idea that Marvel seems to stay true to the comics with their cinematic universe and DC isn't.  That we're basically getting "canon" versions of the Avengers (with some updates but no major changes).  In the DCCU, we have quite a few changes, from "updates" to Bruce and Clark's "no killing rules" to a more-alien Superman to an older (but still very-much active) Batman to a Lex Jr. / missing Lex Sr. etc.

And I started thinking about why there are these tweaks.  Why we can't just have traditional versions of these characters, and I think I might've figured it out.  Before 2007, Iron Man wasn't really anything in pop culture.  Marvel fans liked him, but no one outside of comics had heard of him.  People had a casual understanding of Thor and Captain America, but people like Black Widow/Hawkeye/Scarlet Witch/Vision were all relative nobodies.

Meanwhile, Man of Steel is Superman's 6th movie.  He's one of the most (and in some cases, the most) popular superheroes around.  Dawn of Justice is Batman's 8th movie.  All in a span of 30 years.  The part has been recast five times in eight movies.  People know Batman.

So is the reason why this DC cinematic universe doesn't feel like a DC universe because they had to try something different?  Just doing a standard version of either of those characters just wouldn't work because we already know all their is to know?

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ireactions wrote:

Thankfully, Affleck's Bruce Wayne is an extremely compelling, riveting presence in the film and without him, there would be nothing to watch. Bruce's loathing towards Superman is completely palpable and on some level feels reasonable because of how unpleasant Superman's presence comes off. The turnaround in his character is absurd, yet Affleck totally sells why Batman has a change of heart and Slider_Quinn21's grousing about Affleck being too old to play this character looks even more ridiculous in a post-release era.

Affleck's physical presence is incredibly convincing and most importantly, Affleck works as a very different Batman from Christian Bale. This Bruce isn't a distant intellectual whose combat skills are a means to an end; he thrives on physicality whether it's wine, women or war. This Batman is prepared to kill in the sense that he's a soldier fighting a war and while he doesn't set out to murder, he doesn't shed a tear for criminals getting blown up or crushed by overturned cars. It's an uncomfortable turn for Batman -- except Affleck's world-weary, hardened Bruce makes it clear this is a superhero who has had to set aside some of his idealism to survive and keep going.

Well, I still don't love the call they made.  But I was worried it was going to be much more of a Dark Knight Returns homage than it ended up being.  Batman wasn't retired.  Or, honestly, even thinking about it.  He didn't talk about his career like it's wrapping up. 

And I'd be happy for you to go back and throw my own words in my face, but I don't think my problems with Affleck had anything to do with Affleck himself.  He's gotten better as an actor, and as a big comic book nerd, I knew he'd give this role his all.  He's a kid from Boston who gets to be Batman....he's going to give it his all, and he's grown as an actor.  My problem was (and still is) that Batman and Superman have zero relationship in this movie.  They come to a truce, but Bruce talks reverently about Clark in the film's finale and that was odd to me. 

What bothers me about Batman facing Superman is that an old Batman should know better.  Eighteen months have passed, and he's a guy who has seen his fair share of people.  Yes, a lot of his people are "freaks dressed as clowns", but this is supposed to be a Batman who has spent years trying to save Harvey Dent.  A guy who has seen Jim Gordon giving the best years of his life to fighting corruption in Gotham.  And to compare Superman to Joker is unfair.  Superman is powerful, yes.  But Bruce spends a great chunk of the movie trying to prepare himself to kill Superman and makes zero effort to try and understand him.  Once again, the detective part of  Batman was sorta shrugged off.  And if Batman is going to be in the Justice League, he simply has to be "the smart one."  It's the only role that really works for him.

You're right about Superman.  He's not relatable at all.  The part in the bathtub is the only humanizing part.  The part in Congress, saving the kid in Mexico, saving the flood victims - you're right, they're shot in a way that he's an alien.  He's Kal-El.  As far as this movie is concerned, Clark Kent is 2% of the character.  And that's my problem with this version, and it's a reason I have trouble with the idea that Informant loves it so much.  Clark grew up in Kansas, and like he says in the finale of that movie, he's about as American as it gets.  But he also seems to accept Krypton way too quickly.  "On my world, it means hope."  On your world?  You've never been there.  You know almost nothing about it.  Your world is on Earth, and like Lois says, on Earth, it's an S.

Superman is such a problem in this that I was sorta hoping that he'd stay (SPOILERS).  He's no fun.  He's distant.  He's cold.  He's just a mess.

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Okay, I wrote this last night.  Posting it tonight. 

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I really didn’t think I was going to like this movie.  Too many things I thought were going to go poorly, and a lot of them ended up not being that bad.  I still don’t think this is the way I’d start the universe, but it’s not a terrible foundation. 

Stuff that worked:

- Batman.  Batman works.  You sorta buy his universe, and there’s hints that a lot of really cool stuff has gone down.  They also didn’t really make Batman “old” or “worn down” – he’s just a veteran.  Alfred and Bruce have a good rapport, and their relationship works.  I did see that Martha’s gravestone said she died in 1981.  So that makes Bruce in his 40s.  He makes reference to 20 years in Gotham.  So I’m surprised that he’s not more worn down, but I guess he’s not.  More on him later.

- Lex.  The hitfix stuff said that Lex and Batman work, and they were right.  Pretty much every time he was goofy in the movie was in the trailers.  The only annoying time is the brief scene where he’s introducing Bruce and Clark.  The rest of the time, he’s a solid villain.  BTW, it’s not a wig.  Also more on him later.

- Wonder Woman.  She’s mysterious, and there’s good teases to a bigger world.  They didn’t show too much and cut the legs off her movie, but they did enough that you’d be pretty excited to see a trailer or see the movie.  Her powers were probably a bit confusing to some people, but she was a good fighter.

- The movie is long, but it gets around.  Lois and Perry get nice roles.  Alfred gets screen time.  Lex is set up.  Bruce is in it a ton.  - Like I said, Diana is in it the perfect amount.  I think everyone that was supposed to get screen time did.  It’s long, but it gets a lot accomplished in 150 minutes.

- The opening scene with Batman going through the Battle of Metropolis is amazing.  It humanizes that whole sequence in a way that Man of Steel really, really failed.

- The Knightmare scene is a cool tease.  I bet that gets left on the cutting room in most movies, and I’m glad they kept it in.

- The big fight is done well.  Definitely worth the wait after all these years.  You can really tell these guys are working hard.

- Doomsday is cool.  I don’t know if he needed to be as big as he was, but you really fear him.  I really wish they hadn’t included him in the trailers.  That could’ve been an epic surprise.

- I’m sure there were a hundred Easter eggs, but it wasn’t bogged down by Easter eggs.  The rest of the Justice League easter egg cameos were really well done.

- The end is sold.  I knew it wasn’t going to stick, but it was pretty sweet.

Stuff that didn’t work:

- Superman.  I’m sorry….I hate this Superman.  Maybe he’ll be better in Justice League, but there was a part of me that hoped he stayed dead.  Seriously.  It was cool to see him fight, but his character is just a mess.  Everything is so morose and depressing.  When he saves the girl from the burning building in Mexico, he looks sad and it’s shot in slow motion.  When he saves the rocket, it’s sad and slow motion.  The capital blows up, and it’s sad and slow motion.  I thought the first movie didn’t let him have enough fun, and this was even worse.  He has fun for two minutes in the bath with Lois and *nothing else*.  This movie desperately needed a scene like the airplane crash from Superman Returns, both to show that Superman is a good dude and to show that he’s crazy powerful.  Everything he’s done in 18 months was either truncated or shown in a way that was zero fun.

- Batman’s backstory.  They show stuff we don’t need to show (the death of the Waynes….again.  The falling in the cave….again).  But they don’t show stuff that I’d love to know.  How well known is Batman?  Is he an urban legend to most?  That one cop had never seen him – have most cops seen him?  Where’s Gordon?  What happened to Robin?  Were there other Robins?  Is there a Batgirl or Oracle?  What happened to them?  How many criminals were active?  Are any still active, since he’s only fighting Russian gangsters in the beginning.  How does Gotham feel about Batman?  He’s more brutal now – was he more or less beloved/feared before?  What did Bruce do for 18 months?  Was he waiting for the Kryptonite?

- The length.  It’s way too long.  Way way too long.  The whole subplot with the bullet tied everything to Lex, but there was an awful lot of that stuff when Lex basically implicates himself in the end anyway.  The whole part with the spear could’ve been cut down so there’s not a sequence that took Clark away from the battle.  Even the Wayne employee’s arc just made things drag.  Nothing in the movie was unnecessary, and they all tied in.  But it just made the movie really long.

- The Battle of Metropolis.  We all know this bothered me from Man of Steel.  And the saving grace was going to be that it is a huge part of Dawn of Justice.  But it really isn’t.  Bruce is the only one who really seems to remember it, and he and Lex are really the only ones who talk about it.  Metropolis seems fine.  Outside of some protesters, no one really seems worried about it.  And the big scenes with the Senator aren’t even about the Battle of Metropolis but some random incident in Africa.  And while the opening sequence is incredible, it reminds me that there’s no way that the death toll was only thousands.  And, honestly, I don’t really even think Clark learned his lesson from the Battle.  I’m not sure he really learned anything from it.

- Lex Jr.  Maybe it’ll come back later, but I don’t see any reason to make him Lex Jr.  Maybe he’s a clone.  Maybe Lex is pulling strings.  But it seems awfully weird to have Lex Sr. mentioned several times but no real hint as to where he is.  It’s weird that Superman and Lex’s son are going to have this big rivalry, and Lex is….somewhere.  The whole thing reminds me of Amazing Spider-Man 2, and if that’s your reference point…..yikes.

Well, that, and I don't have any idea who (if anyone) from the original show would even be involved if we ever got a reboot.  I bet it would be a complete re-imagining in the same way Battlestar Galactica was rebooted.  It'd certainly be cleaner than dealing with any of the continuity mess.

An odd thought I had.  Season one takes place in 1995?  Quinn was born in 1973?  So Quinn would've been 21/22 when he started sliding, and it's been 21 years since he slid.  If we're to assume that season 3 wouldn't be canon for any sequel series, we have to think that the sliders either quit sliding and stayed on an earth or kept randomly sliding.  If they decided to stay somewhere shortly after season 2, Quinn would've spent 22 years on Earth, a year or two sliding, and almost 20 years on the new Earth.  He would've, essentially, lived on "Earth Double Prime" as long as "Earth Prime"

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I'm making an effort to not read any of the negative reviews.  The only one I listened to was a non-spoiler review by Mr. Sunday Movies, who's quickly becoming one of my favorite comic book genre voices.  I actually listened to their entire Man of Steel commentary yesterday, despite not watching Man of Steel with them.  But that's an aside.

Mr. Sunday gave the movie his "Best Movie Ever" rating, but he complained about some of the character motivations.  I thought about it, and I do think a few of the key motivations don't make a ton of sense.  It's really hard to say without going into spoilers, but it does go along with one of my concerns I had regarding creative choices.

Also, another non-spoiler note.  They go way out of their way to address the issues of the death count in Man of Steel.  Just like in Avengers 2, where the Avengers spend half the third act saving civilians, BvS has its own brand of that.  And, eventually, it got distracting.

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So I just got back.  I'm gonna write down a ton of my thoughts but I'm not going to post it until the movie is officially out.  Zack Snyder came on before our screening (pre-filmed) and told us not to, and there's some pretty good stuff that I don't want to spoil.

So here's a non-spoiler review, and we can have some non-spoiler discussion.  It's probably gonna make the board all cluttered, but I think it'll be okay smile

General thoughts:

- What you all came to see - what did I think?  Well, I went in with low expectations, and I thought it was pretty good.  Better than I expected, better than I feared.

- It's way too long.  Just way too long.  I think they got excited about the sandbox they were getting to play in, and while it shows (positively), there's just way too much material.  I could see cutting a full half-hour, and it'd be so much sharper.

- Affleck has grown as an actor, and you can tell that he really wanted to sell this.  You can tell that he's really trying to be "Bruce Wayne" and not "Ben Affleck" - and he really sells the role.

- Wonder Woman really works too.  This is a good tease for her solo movie.

- Lex works.  He's not nearly as annoying as the trailers make him out to be. 

- One bit really bothered me, regarding the connection between this movie and Man of Steel.  I'll elaborate in the spoiler review later.

- Still don't love the way Superman is portrayed.  He's probably the worst part of the movie.

- They definitely sold this as a launching pad.  Even if the movie doesn't do well critically or commercially, there's enough to work with.

- No reason to sit through the credits.  Nothing there, mates.

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So I've been hard on Batman v Superman.  I haven't liked the direction they did.  So I decided to put my laptop where my mouth is.  I decided to write my own version of "BvS" and post it here.  I read over it, and it'd need a bit of fleshing out.  But this is the type of movie I'd like to see.  I made some changes, but I stuck to a few simple guidelines. 

1. It's a follow-up to Man of Steel
2. It has to hint at a greater DCCU
3. It has to include the main characters that the original movie does.
4. It has to allow for Suicide Squad

Other than that....here's what I did.  It probably sucks, but I figured I should at least write out what I'd do.

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Gotham – 23-year-old Bruce Wayne is testing his new batarangs and watching drone footage of one of his recent trips out into the city.  Alfred arrives, telling Bruce of the talk on the news of the Batman.  He asks if Bruce is ready to make a bigger show to the public to try and control his image.  But Bruce isn’t talking.  All he sees is a message on TV from an alien named Zod.

As Zod fights Superman on TV, Bruce is working out harder than ever.  He looks exhausted, but he throws another fifty pounds on the bench press.  As a Wayne Enterprises building collapses, Bruce closes his eyes and looks at a horrified Alfred.  “I’m not ready,” he says.  “We need more.”

Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice

Metropolis – Lex Luthor is smiling at the ribbon-cutting of the new LexCorp Tower.  It’s the most advanced building in Metropolis, built to withstand “anything or anyone that is thrown at it.”  A reporter asks why Luthor denied help from Superman, who was instrumental in rebuilding the rest of the city.  “No further questions,” Lex says.

Clark is asleep at his desk.  Lois approaches and tells him that Perry wants to speak with him.  His story on the LexCorp ceremony is late….again.  Clark admits that he’s been working too hard as Superman.  That he has to regain the city’s trust.  That he’s been working overtime to fix damage, save people, rid the city of crime, help the government.  Anything to let people know that he’s a hero not to be feared.  He also admits he’s been training – trying to refine the use of his powers.  He can’t let things get out of control again.  Using his super-hearing, he hears a siren.  “If you go, I can’t protect you anymore.” Lois says.  But Clark is already gone.

Bruce is sitting in the Batcave.  A series of screens are in front of him.  “Riddler apprehended by Batman”  “Joker and Harley Quinn suspected in robbery” “Mysterious creature spotted in Gotham sewers”  But Bruce is fixated on a Metropolis TV screen.  “Superman saves 757”  He’s studying Superman’s movements.  He looks back at a Batman suit.  Beside it is a Robin suit.  In a separate case is something bigger.  Something stronger.

Superman is answering questions.  A reporter asks about a Superman statue in Metropolis.  Superman says he doesn’t deserve it, that he still has a lot to do to deserve it.  A reporter asks about the vigilante in Gotham.  Superman says that he respects anyone who is willing to fight for justice, but he’s weary of anyone who wears a mask, lurks in the shadows, and uses questionable methods.  Lex shows up and asks when Clark is going to stand trial for the thousands that died in his fight with Zod.  Clark hangs his head and flies away.  Lex smiles.

Bruce is looking out over Metropolis from a still-under-construction Wayne Tower building.  He tells a construction foreman that he’s still denying help from Superman.  “It’s the one thing Luthor and I agree on.” Bruce says.  Alone with his thoughts, he gets into an elevator, inserts a key, and takes the elevator down to an underground makeshift Batcave.  He speaks on a radio to Alfred.  He asks if he’s sure he wants to do this.  He says he is.  He asks if they want his help.  He says he can’t afford to lose anyone else.  This is his fight.

Superman is flying around the city.  He is listening for something.  Anything.  He stops on the Daily Planet building.  He asks Lois about the job.  She smoothed it over, but he has to focus on Clark Kent.  That Superman has done enough.  She hands him his glasses, but he hears something and speeds away.  Across the city, Batman is looking at him with military-style binoculars.  But Superman has disappeared.  It’s too late, Superman already has him in a choke hold.

“What are you doing here?’

“Clark…..Kent….” Batman says.

Superman is taken aback.  He lets Batman go and repeats the question.  Bruce doesn’t answer.  So Clark asks how he knows who he is.  Bruce takes his mask off.  “You interviewed me about Wayne Tower.”  Clark asks why he exposed his own identity.  “You would’ve just used your x-ray vision anyway.  This way, I’m in control.”  Superman asks again why he’s there.  “I have to know for sure.”  Superman asks what he’s talking about.  Bruce turns around.  “Goodnight, Clark” and dives off the building.  Superman lets him leave.

Across the city, Lex is experimenting on Zod’s body.  Mercy Graves tells him that they’ve been successful in reverse engineering some of the Kryptonian tech.  That they should be able to replicate the Kryptonian armor “to his specifications.”  Lex smiles.

On the Kent Farm, Clark doesn’t know what to do.  He knows he’s about to get fired.  He doesn’t know how he can lead a double life.  Ma Kent tells him that he’s done enough.  That she didn’t raise Superman – she raised Clark Kent.  That he deserves to have a life too.  Clark gets a call from the Planet asking about a story.  Clark hugs his mom and is in Metropolis before he knows it, punching out a story so fast that the keyboard is shredded.  Perry White comes out of his office.  He’s impressed.  But an explosion across town happens.  Lois looks at Clark, and she distracts Perry so that Clark can speed out.

He gets to the LexCorp facility on the edge of town.  There’s a huge fire.  He puts out one fire when another explosion happens.  He uses his X-Ray vision and sees a figure moving at super-human speed.  Another explosion distracts him as the creature leaps up and takes him to the ground.  There’s a quick fight but Clark is able to struggle away.  Again, he flies over the facility.  He looks for the creature, and it leaps at him again.  Clark is able to float high enough so at the creature can’t get him.  Superman decides to stay above and try and neutralize him with his heat vision.

Batman is watching from a rooftop.  Sees Clark floating above a LexCorp facility, using his heat vision.  It appears he’s causing the explosions.  He cannot see any creature.  People are running away, terrified.  Batman sighs and tells Alfred it’s time.  He disables his communicator and summons the Batwing.

Superman is able to hit the creature with a blast of heat vision, and it falls harmlessly to the ground.  He puts out the remaining fires with a quick blast of freeze breath, and he goes to check out the creature.  But before he can, he’s attacked by a heavily-armored Batman.  Superman tries to talk to him, but Batman is relentless.  Punch after punch after punch.  And it’s hurting Superman.  It feels like Zod all over again.  Batman is just as strong and a much better fighter.  But it only takes one good punch from Superman to send Batman flying.  His suit is heavily damaged, so Batman starts with the gadgets.  Electric batarangs, explosives, missiles from the Batwing, etc.  Nothing is effective.  Clark is still diplomatic, even though his mouth is bleeding from the first barrage.

But Batman won’t listen. He attacks again, throwing punch after punch.  But Superman is adapting.  He’s injured but Batman’s suit is falling apart with every Superman strike.  Finally, Batman throws a punch that shatters his armored glove and Bruce’s own hand.  Superman verifies that his hand is broken.  Bruce hobbles back, expecting Superman to go in for the killing blow, but Superman looks at him with sad eyes.  He explains that he was trying to fight a monster; that he doesn’t want anyone else to get hurt. 

“What monster?” Batman asks.  Clark looks back and the creature is gone.  Clark quickly scans and sees it right behind Batman, its eyes beginning to glow red.  Superman speeds passed Batman and stands between him and the creature as a heat vision blast strikes Clark in the chest.  Batman is shocked and orders the Batwing to attack.

Over a PA, Lex’s voice is heard.  “What do you think, Superman?  Can you beat him again?”  Clark stands up, very injured, and looks at the creature, who is distracted by the Batwing.  The creature is a monstrous version of General Zod.

Zod/Doomsday uses his heat vision to destroy one of the Batwing’s wings, before leaping up and ripping it in half.  He lands to turn his attention back to Superman before he’s hit by a blue blur.  Superman is flying at full strength, carrying Doomsday out of the city to the edge of town.  At the LexCorp facility, Bruce is shaking his head.  He turns his communicator back on.  “You were right.  I think he’s one of the good guys.”

“He is,” a voice says from behind Batman.  It’s Lex, in his own Kryptonian power-suit.  “But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t destroy him.  I was surprised when I saw you attack.  Your tech is impressive but mine is better.”  Lex laughs and Bruce shakes his head.

Doomsday and Clark are fighting in an industrial district.  Doomsday is using everything he can to fight Superman, but Superman is fighting distracted.  He’s terrified that there will be collateral damage like the last time they fought, and he’s losing the fight because of it.  Doomsday throws a gasoline truck at Clark, who jumps to avoid it, but the truck crashes into the corner of a building.  The explosion is massive and causes the building to start to collapse.  Clark uses his x-ray vision to make sure no one is inside before it lands.

Doomsday uses this distraction to run towards lights by the water.

Lex sees the explosion across the city and smiles.  Bruce realizes that Lex is the real enemy, and he lunges at him.  The two have their own fight.  Lex’s tech is superior (especially since Bruce’s is mostly destroyed and he’s fighting with a broken hand), so Lex spends the fight wondering aloud why they’re fighting when their real enemy is Superman.  Lex has the upper hand, and punches a part of Batman’s armored mask off.  Enough for Lex to see who’s underneath the mask.

“You’re kidding me,” Lex says.  He can’t believe Bruce Wayne is under the mask.  Before Lex can do anything, a sword comes through the side of his armor.  Lex screams in pain and falls to the ground.  Wonder Woman is standing behind him.  She pulls her sword out and looks at it, as if startled by her own strength.

“Where are the others?” Wonder Woman says to Batman.  Bruce is woozy.  “Others?”  “The invaders!  We saw the explosions!  I was sent here to protect man’s world.  Where are the rest of the invaders?

Doomsday reaches a crowded party on the docks.  Superman sees him, and speeds toward the monster.  He screams, shattering windows, knowing he’s going to be too late.  But before he can get there, a giant tidal wave hits the building, washing Doomsday towards a rocky beachfront.  Superman looks for survivors, but all he can see are red flashes and everyone in safety nearby. 

Superman doesn’t know what’s happening, but he rushes to Doomsday.

While Wonder Woman is distracted, Lex pulls out a device and smiles, but a batarang knocks it out of his hand.  Wonder Woman turns around and punches Luthor in the face.

“They’re easier to disable than I thought,” Wonder Woman says.  “He’s not Kryptonian.  He’s Lex Luthor.”  “Why is a human dressed in alien armor?  What’s going on here?”

“There’s no time for explanations,” Batman says.  “We have to help Superman.”

Bruce surveys the wreckage of the Batwing and injects himself with something for his pain.  He then reaches into another compartment and pulls out a weapon.  Then he turns to Wonder Woman.  “How did you get here?  I don’t suppose you have some sort of cloaked aircraft.”

Wonder Woman smirks.

On the beach, Superman and Doomsday are trading blows.  Clark looks down, and he’s bleeding.  But Doomsday doesn’t seem to be taking any damage.  Every time he tries to look for weapons or something to help him, Doomsday punches him.  This is a matter of strength, and Clark doesn’t know if he has enough.  Clark goes to punch the monster, and Doomsday catches it.  And almost looks to be smiling.  Superman isn’t strong enough.

“Get down!” a voice yells.  Only a man with super-hearing could hear it.  Superman falls to the ground, and a beam of energy knocks Doomsday back.  Batman and Wonder Woman fall from the sky.  Batman picks Superman up.

“Who’s the girl?” Superman asks.

“She’s with us,” Batman responds.

“Us?” Superman says.  He’d smile if he had enough energy.  Batman stays stoic, unable to admit he was wrong.

With a numbers advantage, Batman tells Superman and Wonder Woman to launch a coordinated attack while he stays back and
takes shots when he can.  Superman doesn’t know what he’s doing, but Wonder Woman tells him to follow her lead.  She’s a warrior and knows what she’s doing.  Bruce says he’ll whisper and help him fight.

So Superman and Wonder Woman attack the creature.  Wonder Woman and Batman coach Superman on what to do as they are able to confound the monster.  Every few seconds, Batman is able to get a shot in.  As Doomsday finally shows signs of weakness, Diana kicks him towards Clark.  Both Wonder Woman and Batman scream at the same time, “NOW, SUPERMAN!” and Clark punches Doomsday with all his strength, sending him flying into the air.

Superman looks up and flies after him, grabbing Doomsday and holding him still.  As they leave the Earth’s orbit and into space, Superman tells the monster “you’re not welcome on my planet” and hurls him towards the moon.

Superman lands to see Wonder Woman and Batman standing on the docks.  “What happened to it?” Batman asks.  “The moon, I think.  I have no idea if he’ll stay there or if he’ll die.”  “Leave that to me,” Batman says.

They both look at Diana, who is walking away.

“Who are you?” Superman asks.

“My name is Diana.  Princess of the Amazons.”

Superman is speechless.  “And what about that mysterious wave?  And the red flashes.”

“That wasn’t me,” Wonder Woman says.  “But some heroes like to stay hidden.  Maybe you two should take a page from their book.”

Superman smiles and turns to Batman.  He’s gone. 

A week later, Clark Kent shows up at helipad of the Wayne Enterprises building.  He’s holding a newspaper.  A couple relevant stories are shown.  “Lex Luthor defends innocence in Kryptonian technology case” and “WayneTech spends billions on private space station”

“I’m sorry, Mr. Kent.  Mr. Wayne isn’t doing any more interviews”

“I’ll do one more,” Bruce says, inviting Clark into his helicopter.  Bruce has a noticeable cast on his hand.  The helicopter lifts off.

“He’s alive,” Bruce says.  “He’s on the moon and he looks pissed, but he’s alive.”

Clark looks at Bruce and over at the helicopter pilot.

“Don’t worry,” Bruce says.  “You can trust Dick.”

“I’ve been doing some digging,” Bruce continues.  “This world is bigger than either of us thought.  There are forces out there that I’m not even sure I understand.”

“Mysterious warrior princesses.  Mysterious tidal waves.  Guys that move so fast I have trouble seeing them.” Clark says.  “Do you trust them?”

“I think you know it’s tough to win me over,” Bruce says.  “But this time, I’m going to do my research.  If there are forces of good I wasn’t aware of, what kind of forces of evil could there be?”

“I don’t know,” Clark says.  “But I have a feeling we’ll be ready.”

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TemporalFlux wrote:

Seven Days is one I'm surprised has never been released (it it even online?).  It lasted for 66 episodes, and I usually got a giggle out of it.

I was about to say Seven Days.  Loved that show, and I think it would do great with a reboot.

Side note: I did a crossover with Seven Days in Earth 214 tongue

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Informant wrote:

Based on a comment or two that I saw, I'm wondering if this is like a Batman movie with Superman as a secondary character.

Yeah that's what the trailers make it seem like.  Which, again, is a strategy I don't like.

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Okay, I see BvS tonight.  The reviews I've seen are.....bad.  I'm not going to let it cloud my judgment - I like movies that most people hate and vice-versa.  I do want to outline some of the stuff that bothers me about the way DC is doing this just go get it out of the way.  Some of these things might bother me when I see it - some might not.  We'll see.

- The age thing.  I've beat it like a dead horse, but it still bothers me that Clark and Bruce aren't the same age. 
- The unified tone.  Batman is night and dark.  Superman is daylight and colorful. To me, more than anything, the draw of these two fighting or joining forces is the idea that they're so tonally different. 
- We know Superman.  We don't know Batman.  I know using Nolan Batman wasn't possible, but it's weird that I'm supposed to get excited about Batman vs. Superman when a) I don't know this version of Batman and b) this version of Batman has a ton of history I have to catch up on.
- Everything about Lex.  Don't love the casting.  Or the look.  Or the personality.  Or the fact that he's Lex Luthor Jr.
- Cramming in Aquaman and/or Flash.

Hopefully some of these fears, based only on trailers, are alleviated.

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Okay so the show continues to just be completely impatient.  I like how Bruce is hitting the streets and learning about crime.  It's way too early for it, but if Bruce is going to be a major character on this show....fine.  But now Edward is basically already the Riddler.  Penguin is Penguin.  Mr. Freeze is Mr. Freeze.  And Batman is still.....what....10 years away?  Gotham is basically saying that Batman is going to start fighting villains that have already been active for 10 years?

The show is fun.  I get it.  But if they wanted to go this route (and there's no evidence to say this wasn't the plan from the beginning), it needed to be set when Bruce is 18. 

At this rate, Bruce showing up as Batman is going to barely going to be news.  "Hey look, another costumed crazy.  This one is good, huh?  Well, we'll see.  Gotham has been doing this a long time."

And I don't see how Gordon gets passed any of this murder stuff.  I assume Galavan will show up "alive" so there's no way he can be guilty of murder.  But...still....Gordon seems as guilty as any cop in Gotham.  Dirtier than Harvey, it seems.  I get that they want Gordon to be a conflicted character, but he's been a bit darker than I think most of us expected.

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Well there are a number of things at hand.  There are racist folks in the south who want to get a white supremacist (and whether he is or not, that's how he's seen) in the White House after eight years of Obama.  There are white Democrats who feel marginalized by their own party (who they feel don't care about them as much as they care about the minority vote - that the party assumes they'll vote and don't court them anymore).  There are pockets (like Union officials) that usually vote democrat but like some of Trump's rhetoric.  And there's the fact that Trump is seen as an outsider and not covered in the slime that Washington politicians are.

Add all that up, and you see his power.  But, again, there are democrats who will never vote for Hillary Clinton.  She's seen as untrustworthy by the majority of the country.  It reminds me of 2004 - Bush was despised in a lot of the same ways that Trump is despised.  Was also called Hitler.  And yet the Democrats decided to throw in a candidate that was so underwhelming that Bush beat him.

Hillary is going to have Bernie supporters that either stay home on Election Day or go to Trump, especially if that race continues to get dirty.  She's going to have people who will not vote for her because she's untrustworthy.  Trump is a controversial figure, but I'd argue that Hillary is almost as controversial.  She's being buoyed by her husband's success, and she's thriving off her husband's name.  But Hillary herself is very unlikable nationally.

With another ISIS attack today, she's gonna take another hit.  She's seen as weak on national security, and whether that's true or not, Trump would make her look weak on national security.  Attack will mean Benghazi.  He'll hammer her on the emails and the indictment.  And she'll either have to fight back, or she'll have to play the victim.  And I don't know if either of those strategies would work for her.  And it literally wouldn't matter if what he says is true because Americans don't see to care.

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Well I just think they need to make sure that all the movies don't need to be tonally like MoS or BvS.  Both of those movies are darkly colored....most of the scenes take place at night.  The reason the "Batman in the desert" scenes look so visually different isn't because it's (possibly/allegedly) a dream but because it's bright.  It looks like 90% of BvS takes place during night - which is fine because Batman looks a little silly during the day (see the end of Dark Knight Rises). 

But one of the things I like about the MCU is how the Avengers movies are the combination of these weird worlds.  A World War II soldier in a bright costume with a tech genius in a hot rod cyborg suit with a norse god and a green rage monster.  You have science and magic and a bunch of clashing cultures.  But it works.  One thing I was hoping to see in a Batman vs Superman movie was going to be the clashing of those two worlds.  Bright and sunny Metropolis vs. dark and gloomy Gotham.  It's what was pretty cool about the Batman/Superman adventures in the DCAU - those two cartoons seemed so different and mashing them together was just bizarre.  But cool.

Instead, they just brought Superman into a more sepia-colored world to make things fit a little better.  But Flash should be fun.  Even if Barry isn't as much of a jokester as Wally, I think it should be somewhat close to the tone of the TV series.  It should be fun.  And bright.  And exciting.  If it's a brooding story about Flash trying to go back in time to save his mom...it just might miss the whole point.

There's a difference between taking the material seriously and being too serious.  And they need to find that balance.  Because, in my opinion, these movies still need to be fun.

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Question - does Trump owe a lot of his success to the fact that Hillary is the Democratic candidate?  I think enough people dislike her that most people might even see him as the lesser of two evils.

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Okay, that's what I thought.  It seems like the Berlanti regime respects the Smallville era - there have been quite a few references thrown in.  I'd still love to have an official tie-in somehow.

And I agree.  I still think Supergirl is a pretty fun show.  Looking forward to the crossover with the Flash.

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BTW, I meant to ask.  In modern continuity, does red kryptonite just make Kryptonians evil?  Or does it still have mystery effects?

Or did Supergirl just go the Smallville route with their use of it?

And.....again.....Clark should've shown up.  Even if he didn't know what was happening.  Even if she told him to stay away and he respected that....she was out of control.  For the sake of humanity, he needed to show up.  I'm starting to think the show would've been better off taking place in Metropolis following Clark's fight with Doomsday.  So he's not in the background.

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http://www.hitfix.com/harpy/zack-snyder … in-the-bud

Their reporting is really sketchy, and the quote doesn't really even seem to support it (I didn't read the full story), but if their conclusion is correct (big if), that's....disappointing.  If we're going to get a brooding Superman and a brooding Batman, can't we have a wisecracking Flash?  I mean....isn't that how this happened? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtGHuM1GYMs

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I thought the Star Trek reboot comics were really cool.  It gives the story so much more to work with and bridges the gap from the old universe to the new one.  But the key is that the movie doesn't depend on it to work.  If you're a hardcore fan, it makes the story better.  If you aren't invested enough, the movie itself can stand on its own two feet.

Enter the Matrix was another one that I thought was pretty good.  It tells a parallel story that criss-crosses with the main story at a couple different places, allowing for some context if you really wanted to know how Niobe knew when to save Morpheus.  If you don't care to know why, it doesn't hurt the story.

One recent example that I think did a bad job was the new Star Wars (don't worry, no spoilers).  After too much politics ruined the last trilogy, I thought The Force Awakens suffered from not enough backstory.  Not enough explanation.  In fact, not enough politics.  I had no idea who characters were, who the major factions were, why they were fighting, how factions were connected, etc.  And when I found out that a lot of that was delivered in comics/novels/other "new extended universe" materials.  So the movie actually suffered from a lack of context, and you're sorta dependent on extra materials to really understand what's going on.

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ireactions wrote:

There's nothing revolutionary about appreciating media tie-in material. Back in the day of STAR TREK and STAR WARS with reruns hard to find and home video a distant dream, novelizations and novels were often the only means of getting more of a property outside of theatre screenings and possible syndication. You're just catching up to the rest of the world.

Awww, I thought you'd be proud of me after all the crap I've taken for dismissing.....whatever it was I dismissed back in the day?  Fringe?  I don't even remember.

And yeah my buddy works for (company sponsoring BvS #secret) and I get to go to a special/free screening.  So that's pretty cool.  I'll post a spoiler review and a non-spoiler review smile

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Well, I'm seeing the movie Wednesday.  I've been pretty harsh about it, and I'm legitimately worried that it's going to disappoint.

But at the same time, I've been waiting for this movie for a long time.  I've been excited about seeing Batman face Superman on the big screen for a long time.  I WANT it to be good.  I WANT it to be great.  No one benefits from this movie being bad.  Not even Marvel fans - DC having a successful franchise would breathe new life into the comic book movie industry.  A bad comic book movie just decreases the lifespan of the entire industry.

So, yeah, I don't understand people who are hating on the movie if they haven't seen it yet.  After Wednesday, it'll be fair game.

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Well, I know Lex wouldn't prefer to be bald, but I just tend to like the Lex that doesn't mind being bald.  He makes the look his own instead of hiding it under a ridiculous wig.

Note - you guys know way more about comic Lex than I ever could.

And ireactions - I complimented a supplemental comic.  I've grown tongue

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It's possible..  I still think it's a weird look for Lex, even though it's sorta canonical.

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Informant wrote:

Hillary's campaign doesn't have the energy of Obama's. She isn't going to make non-voters get out and vote. She isn't going to convert republicans. I'm not convinced that she will solidify her own party. I don't think democrat voter turnout will be impressive, just because she's a rich old white lady who acts like a rich old white lady.

Yeah, I agree with this.  Except if Trump is the Republican nominee.  In that case, I think voter turnout (on both sides) would be huge.

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I'm assuming its a wig.  But we saw him with a bald head in one of the first promo shots.  Unless something happens in the movie that makes him either shave his head or lose his hair, I assume it's a wig.  No idea.

I could see it being like the Bruce Wayne persona - where people underestimate him.

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I read the prequel comics to BvS.  Pretty cool.

Although is it weird that Lex's wig bothers me so much?  The Lex I appreciate wouldn't mind that he's bald.  He's proud of it.  Like he's proud of everything related to him.

But if he's Lex Jr......why would he be bald?

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pilight wrote:

Garland certainly isn't very liberal.  When the GOP loses the senate and the presidency they'll be wishing they had confirmed him when they had the chance.

Yeah I'd rather take a choice from Obama than Hillary.

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Is Garland "very liberal?"  I thought I read (very briefly) that he's pretty moderate.  Is he not?

I think they should just go ahead and put on the show.  I don't think it's a waste of time.  Not anymore than anything else the Senate does.  If they reject him, that's cool.  The next president will handle it.

But, again, if Trump is president, the spot might never get filled smile

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Informant wrote:

That said, I don't think Trump's path is clear now. With Rubio dropping out and his team telling supporters to back Cruz, there could be a significant shift in support for Cruz, while I don't think that Trump will get many of the Rubio supporters. At the same time, the establishment lost their only horse left in the race. After trying and failing to make Cruz kiss their ring (not literally), they have the choice to either back him or back Trump. Now we're seeing much more support from the establishment republicans who don't want Cruz in office, but who see him as the lesser of two evils.

Yeah, my most conservative friend on Facebook has been very high on Rubio, and he's not switched to Cruz.  He's been saying "Never Trump" at the end of every post so he's going with the best path to that.  I can't imagine he'd go Hillary, but we'll see what happens if Trump gets it.

I still like Kasich.  Think he'd be a good choice.  If Trump was reasonable, I think he'd be a great VP too.  He has the experience to help Trump along, but Kasich said he'd never join a Trump ticket.  Kasich could help the GOP win Ohio, which would be a key state.

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Well, I think it's a nightmare for the republicans because he either gets the nomination (and they have to back him) or they do some trickery and he sabotages them in some way (from slandering their guy to running as an independent).

But I've been doing some more research on him and general history, and it's both worse and not as bad as it seems.  A lot of his comments are scarier than you'd think.  Because I've read some articles that actually say that the US would be run better with a CEO-type than a politician, but Trump doesn't work like a real CEO.  He said recently that his greatest adviser is himself.  That's terrifying.  Because if a civilian who actually listened to his cabinet/advisers were elected, I think it could actually work. 

At the same time, I question how much actual damage would actually happen if he was elected.  I don't think the wall is plausible.  I don't think the American public is going to allow the type of mass-deportations that people are afraid of.   I don't think he'd get away with targeting terrorists' families.  But even if it's worst case scenario and Trump is Hitler 2.0, it took years for Hitler to start actually doing the type of "Hitler" stuff we associate with him.  And that was in a perfect situation where a guy like him would be allowed to rule (remember, it was the same time period where Americans kept electing the same guy).  With so much social media and cameras everywhere, I don't think holocaust-like stuff could be hidden.  And that's where we'd depend on our checks and balances (and if that fails, the rest of the world) to get him out of there.

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Welcome!

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Ha, that's a pretty good catch.

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Well, I still don't think so.  Is Suicide Squad is an attempt to capitalize on the market established by Guardians of the Galaxy?   Is the R-rated BvS on Blu-Ray is a response to Deadpool?

Civil War was one of Marvel's most popular stories, and it was finished before Iron Man even came out.  Since the MCU has rights to the main characters from that story, and since they've had a generally antagonistic (if still-friendly) relationship in the movies, I think it was bound to happen.  The two almost come to blows as soon as they meet up in the first Avengers movie, they bicker the entire movie in Age of Ultron, and there's (apparently, I haven't done the research myself) a ton of easter eggs chronicling the idea that Bucky killed Tony's parents (in movies that are already released). 

So I think it's clear the plan was to try and do Civil War at some point.  Now were all the I's dotted and the T's crossed?  I don't think so.  I think the plan was for Downey to do 3 Iron Man movies and 3 Avengers movies, and that was pretty much the common contract for the three key Avengers (not sure if Norton had that contract or not).  Now whether or not they knew Downey would get all three Iron Man movies in before the others got a sequel film is debatable.  Whether or not they knew Avengers 2 would be Ultron and 3 would be Thanos is debatable.  And whether or not they knew they'd do Civil War as a Captain America movie is debatable (I still think it's the wrong move, I would've done it as an actual Avengers movie).  But I absolutely think Civil War was in the plans.

Now did they see BvS and alter their plans?  Possibly.  But if so, I think it speaks to the strength of what the MCU has established.  By having one man in charge who is a step back from the people working on the films, they can react if they have to.  If they did make Civil War in response to BvS, they succeeded in making a movie with *huge* hype that is standing toe-to-toe with what should be the biggest comic book movie of all time.  Imagine 10 years ago thinking that a Captain America vs Iron Man film would be on equal footing with a Batman vs Superman movie.  It's ludicrous.  But that's what the MCU has established.

The problem with the way the DCCU works is who's in charge.  It's Zach Snyder by himself, right?  But what if BvS does bomb?  Or what if the direction is actually a problem?  That's why the Hitfix stuff had legitimacy - if Snyder is a problem, Justice League would *have* to be delayed because Snyder is so important to every part of that film.  When Joss struggled with Age of Ultron, Feige was able to make corrections and get everything transferred to another director/directors, and the ship moves on without a hitch.  If Snyder failed, or god forbid, couldn't direct Justice League due to something unforeseen, what would the DCCU do?  Hire whoever is directing Suicide Squad?  Whoever is directing Wonder Woman?  Would Ben Affleck have to do it, and would he want to?  Would that person be on the same page creatively?   Or would there simply have to be a delay for everyone to get on the same page?

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Well this can't be great news for the film.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/star-trek-beyond … socialflow

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Please call him President Colonel Sanders......please.  It's all I ask.

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TemporalFlux wrote:

I haven't watched all of the latest episode yet, but I did have a thought about Heatwave.  What if he and Cold are playing a long game to steal the time ship?  They mentioned at the start that this was their goal; and if Cold is able to continue gaining trust with Rip, he may get an opportunity to gain control of the ship.  It would be interesting and redeeming to Leonard and Mick's villainy if they turn out to be the true villains of the series in the final episodes after Savage is defeated.

That's a great theory, and it'd definitely make my concerns about Snart obsolete.  It could even be part of the reason for a continuation of this storyline if they don''t go the anthology route.  They steal the timeship, and they start messing with things.  The Time Lords send a team (made up of some of these guys, maybe some new guys) to fix the damage.  That would probably be enough for a season's worth of story.

LoT was renewed.  Has anyone seen anything about how they plan to structure it?

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The episode was okay.  What's strange is how they kept forcing situations that they knew would be awkward.  There's no reason why they needed to press issues like interracial dating/marriage when it wasn't necessary to any plan.  I know the show wants to be progressive, but it put Jackson and Kendra in unnecessary danger.

Alan Sepinwall noted that they separate Jackson and Stein as quickly as possible because Firestorm can handle pretty much any problem the team can face.  Now it's all I can think about.

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I still wish they'd find a way to include Smallville in the Arrowverse mulitverse.  Even if it was just an easter egg, I think it belongs.  It paved the way for DC shows on TV.

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Haven't watched it yet, but I did see there was a Smallville reference.  Savage went by Curtis Knox, which was the name of the character on Smallville (played by Dean Cain) who was basically Vandal Savage.

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If Max Landis can get his Superman story printed, we can get something done, right?  This is gold!

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The more I hear Trump, the less he's saying.  He speaks for five minutes but says anything.  I actually think he'd try to surround himself with the best people, but I don't know if he'd listen to them if it's something he disagrees with.  All his racist stuff aside (and that's hard, there's a lot of it), there's a lot to worry about with a Trump presidency.  I thought Cruz did pretty well last night, but something about his face really bothers me (I know, not important - but still).

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Hahaha well they won't give us a damn project so let's just take one.

And I'm speaking more to how I think Clark would try and live his life in a modern world.  In Man of Steel, he meets Lois before ever working at the Daily Planet.  Jimmy and Perry are big parts of the story before he ever works there.  If they amended Clark's role and took out the Daily Planet part, I think he'd meet them naturally and *bam* they're all friends smile  I could see Clark and Jimmy becoming friends, not because they're co-workers, but because Jimmy has such a great nose for news and is such a big fan of Superman.  Clark could let him in on the secret to alert Clark of what's going on in the city.

And yeah he could absolutely write fiction.  I mean he's an alien who was raised on Earth.  I could see him ghostwriting a fictional series about Krypton based on the stories he invented in his head about his home planet.  And yeah maybe he publishes anonymously through Chloe or a contact from Lois until he meets Bruce.  And....

Bruce -  "you freakin' idiot - you're writing stories about Superman."
Clark - "I use a pseudonym.  And Lois and Chloe protect my identity."
Bruce - "So if anyone put two and two together, they'd go after...."
Clark - "Oh geez...."
Bruce - "Don't worry.  I already bought the publisher, purged any record of you, and I'll take care of publishing.  You're a good writer."
Clark - "Really?  You've read my stuff?"
Bruce - "I mean...it's all on my kindle.  Don't have much time for reading."