I watched it a second time today and focused on some of my gripes. My feelings haven't changed but still had a freakin' blast watching it.
DieselMickyDolenz wrote:Rey has spent her life rummaging around in old space ships and she knows how to fly. Is it really out of the question that she might know how these things work?
Nah. I mean being a good pilot seems like being a good driver - most people can do it on some level. The problem with Rey is how she's instantly amazing at things - she makes several comments about things being luck. I think it's completely supposed to be Force-related, but the movie doesn't make any attempt to explain that. She doesn't think she can fly the Millennium Falcon. She crashes against a bunch of things to start - something that would be expected if she hadn't flown anything before (think a private pilot trying to fly a 747 with no assistance). The problem is that instinct seems to take over and by the end of the flight, she's making really expert moves. It's not that she's a pilot - she becomes an expert overly quickly (IMO).
She learns how to use the force quickly. Luke got pretty good with the force even before his training with Yoda.
(Note: I haven't seen the Original Trilogy recently so I'm gonna make some points that might be incorrect. Please correct me).
Does he? If I remember correctly, Luke doesn't do much in the first movie. Nothing extraordinary, at least. It isn't until the final trench run that he finally gives in and trusts the Force, right? He does the Force grab of the lightsaber in Empire, but he'd at least had some teaching on how to use the Force at that point. And it was a couple years later.
My main point on Rey is how everything is instinctual for her. I'd be willing to bet that she has latent training somehow. If she's Luke's daughter and he trained her and then wiped her memory somehow, then all of this would make sense. She's acting on instinct using "muscle memory" - the problem is that the movie doesn't try and explain any of that.
If they're holding onto some sort of "Rey is Luke's daughter" twist, that's fine. But if they're hoping it'll be a big twist....well, most people have already guessed it. And if they'd just said "hey, Rey is a Skywalker" then it'd pay off the mysteries in this movie. Especially this day in age when people crowdsource theories. It's what ruins twists on TV all the time - there was a twist on Dexter that people crowdsourced weeks before it was revealed. Basically ruined the whole season.
You know who also was good at fixing things and learned how to use the force quickly? Luke and Anakin Skywalker. Does it ruin the movie if she's not related, but just a quick study that's unusually strong in the Force?
Well I mean, honestly, did either of those guys have anywhere near the level of Force-based instinct that Rey has? Like whether or not she's completely unrelated, she does things that we haven't seen anyone do. I don't think Luke or Anakin use the Jedi mind trick at all in either trilogy, do they? I saw a video the other day that showed that the trick only works twice in the first six movies - Obi-Wan does them both - to the stormtrooper in ANH and to the sleezeball in the cantina in AOTC. So for Rey to successfully do a Jedi Mind Trick when she doesn't even know what that is is a little bizarre. The only thing I can think is that maybe she leeched it out of Kylo's mind when they were connected, but even that's weird because Kylo doesn't use the Jedi Mind Trick - he does something completely different to suck information out of someone.
(EDIT - Okay, I did some research and Luke does do it in Return of the Jedi - but, again, he'd seen it done before and had training)
Fixing things is fine. Being a pilot is fine. These are things that would make sense in Rey's world. But she thinks the Jedi are a myth halfway through the movie. She didn't think Luke was real. She'd never seen a Jedi or a Sith before (Kylo isn't a sith). She'd never seen force powers before her encounter with Ren. And yet she's able to use a jedi mind trick and force pull (not accomplished by Luke in his first movie and only accomplished by Anakin after training with actual Jedi) expertly. And she defeats a disciple of Luke pretty handily minutes after turning on a lightsaber for the first time.
It didn't ruin the movie for me. At all. But the problem is that Rey is an incredibly more-boring character if she's already a master in just about everything. Superman is boring because he's great at everything. It's why Superman movies suck. The movie is good on it's own, but it would be better if we saw her grow through the films. Luke gets his ass kicked in his first fight with Vader. And Vader is clearly not trying. I focused on Kylo in her fight with Rey and he is *absolutely* trying to kill Rey. He's absolutely trying to kill Finn. And while he defeats Finn, it's a decent fight and Finn hurts him. And Rey clearly wins the fight with Kylo. Yes, Rey can fight - yes using a lightsaber probably isn't that different than a regular weapon - yes Kylo was wounded and isn't finished with his training. But the whole movie was Rey doing incredible things and people complimenting her - whipping the new bad guy's ass just adds to the Superman factor.
Again, I liked the movie. It was fun. But there were some creative choices that made the movie flawed in my opinion. I don't think its anywhere near as good as Empire or A New Hope, which work in so many different ways. It's on par with Return of the Jedi and has a lot of the same problems that movie had.
I'm absolutely not trying to make the movie less enjoyable for anyone else.