Thoughts on why Shatner acted as he did:

Shatner at the time was a bundle of neurotic insecurity prone to eruptions of hostility to keep people at bay. The reason, I think: he couldn't live up to the physical image of Captain Kirk. Kirk is youthful, athletic and tall. To play this character, the balding Shatner wore a two piece wig with makeup carefully blending the seam of the hairpiece with the forehead of his skin. He had lifts in his shoes. While in shape at the start of each season of TREK, filming schedules left him no time to exercise and he had to wear a girdle.

None of this was a big deal until the success of STAR TREK meant Shatner had to maintain this appearance in his public life, not just on set. Joan Collins describes how she ran into Shatner off set and didn't recognize this short, portly, balding old man as the young starship captain. Shatner resented this image he couldn't maintain in real life, resented his co-workers knowing he couldn't maintain it and the sight of a young teenager looking at him adoringly made Shatner feel like a fraud under threat.

It's easier for actors these days because nutrition and exercise methods and technology have advanced. Shatner, desperate to get back in shape, would live on lemon juice for weeks, lose weight, then he couldn't sustain his deprivation and binge. Today, a guy like Stephen Amell knows to keep stable blood sugar levels to avoid cravings, sate himself on protein and fat and we now know that starving doesn't work. Also, no one cared that Picard was bald and all the TNG cast wore muscle suits.

Oh. Sorry. Wheaton has finally divulged the true Shatner/Wheaton meeting and it's more the second version than the first version.

http://www.subspace-comms.net/index.php?topic=1424.0

I am so angry right now I am about to explode. Informant and Slider_Quinn21 have officially made an enemy for life today by still refusing to share what they've heard about Wil Wheaton that makes Rick Berman not want him onstage at TREK events.

I have some hope left for Grizzlor.

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Awhile ago, I heard this (alleged) incident on the set of STAR TREK: THE FINAL FRONTIER where a 17-year-old Wheaton went to the set to meet William Shatner. Wheaton greeted Shatner, said he was a big fan and that perhaps they could have a cup of coffee sometime. Shatner snapped that he had better things to do than hang out with some loser who pressed buttons on the bridge of the Enterprise while the real actors worked. A humiliated Wheaton fled the set. Shatner chased him outside and apologized. Wheaton unleashed a torrent of profanities and insults about Shatner's 70s career of appearances at children's birthday parties, Shatner responded with an onslaught of swear words, James Doohan broke up the fight and dragged Shatner into a trailer to tell him off for how he treated young fans, Wheaton stormed off to the TNG set. Shatner later sent Wheaton a number of gifts in apology, Wheaton coldly ignored them and up to 2002 referred to Shatner as "Old Toupee Head" until they made amends in the green room for THE WEAKEST LINK.

The other version of this story that I've heard is that a busy Shatner barely noticed Wheaton on set except to inquire what his job was on TNG and then remark, "In my day, I'd never let a kid on my bridge," and Wheaton ran away in tears. Shatner has a sense of humour where he likes to insult people and see if they can fling his barbs back at him in which case he'll consider them an equal which gained an acidic edge due to his own humiliation in which, post STAR TREK, he lost all his money in a nasty divorce and spent the 70s as a world famous actor living in the back of his truck, scraping together a living from, as I said, children's birthday parties and the like. It wasn't until Kirk was killed off that Shatner developed the ability to laugh at himself and Shatner and Wheaton, today, have exactly the same sense of self-mocking humour.

Shatner laughing at himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hnBp7x2QAE

I am shocked, outraged and very hurt by how Informant, Slider_Quinn21 and Grizzlor would speak of Wil's reportedly bad behaviour at conventions -- without sharing any of these stories! I demand you spill all of them! So that I can perform armchair psychoanalysis upon them.

Wheaton repeatedly says in his book that he's ashamed of his age 16 - 21 behaviour both on the TNG set and at cons and that a lot of it was because he was really unhappy over how people conflated him with Wesley Crusher. At cons, fans expressed their hatred towards him, and he describes a panel where the screenwriters were actively bashing Wheaton as being annoying even though they were the ones scripting his dialogue. He was constantly on edge at cons. Also, as a kid, he saw the TOS cast doing photo-ops while in a drunken stupor and he had this terror that he was looking at his own future.

I think it's fair for Informant to say Wheaton didn't earn the regard that the other actors won because Wheaton gave up on Wesley, leaving after Season 4's ninth episode whereas the other actors never gave up on their characters.

After his time on the show, Wheaton went to cons as an autograph signer who wasn't there for a speaking engagement and was there to sell autographed photos, and this made him both depressed over his career and increasingly desperate over his finances, so that could also be a factor in his con behaviour back then as he was constantly in denial over his career path, describing it as being in "Prove to Everyone that Leaving STAR TREK Wasn't A Mistake" mode.

Wheaton's written a number of Season 1 TNG reviews where he notes that his performance on TNG was well before he'd received five years' worth of professional training. He says that while he likes the sincerity of his Wesley performance and how he delivers his often terrible dialogue well, he dislikes how he "telegraphs" everything he's about to do; he doesn't play off the other actors, he's visibly waiting for his next line, and he talks about how Patrick Stewart adds so much beyond the page and blows young Wheaton off the screen. He notes a specific moment in the first TNG episode where Stewart looks at Wheaton and Stewart plays it as Picard grappling with how Wesley reminds Picard of Wesley's father, Picard's dead friend. Wheaton says looking back, he wishes he could have done something with this moment -- but he just stood there.

Jerry O'Connell also played a whiz-kid on SLIDERS and did a lot better. Jerry had John Rhys-Davies there to read all the scripts and identify all the subtext and opportunities within each scene, so Jerry's performances have a specificity and weight that vanishes once John's not around. Wheaton notes that the Season 1 - 2 writers, in trying to make Wesley unusually intelligent, would write all the other characters as unusually stupid. In contrast, Tracy Tormé wrote Quinn's intelligence as improvisational brilliance whereas Roddenberry wrote Wesley with average ability that the script declared extraordinary or gave Wesley skills like commandeering the Enterprise that the character hadn't earned with any credibility. There's also the fact that Wesley was constantly excused from fault or frailty whereas Quinn is regularly shown to be incompetent and over his head.

Had Wheaton done PRIMAL FEAR, he would have played it with a lot more experience and craft than he showed on TNG.

Anyway. I quite enjoy Wheaton's self-mocking, self-flagellating persona. He's become a less drunk Dan Harmon and Dan Harmon is basically a drunker and more ridiculous Tracy Tormé and Tracy Tormé is essentially a Gene Roddenberry who can actually write dialogue. There was a point to this, but it has temporarily escaped my mind.

Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

That's another reason why I'm a little disappointed that Discovery isn't an anthology series.  I think there's so many cool stories that they could tell in the Star Trek universe, up to and including "What's Wesley up to?"  I think a "different era each season" story (like American Horror Story* for Star Trek) would work, or I think a complete anthology series could be really cool (like Twilight Zone* or Black Mirror*)

* Talking strictly about format.

You probably wouldn't get Avery Brooks to return as Sisko for a whole season of something, but you could get him for an episode.  Same with virtually any of the other actors (Patrick Stewart might be the only guy too big for something this small, but even he might do a cameo or something).  Let's check in on the TNG crew.  Or the people at Deep Space Nine.  How's Riker's first big command going?  What's Jake Sisko doing?  How'd the Voyager crew end up?  What was the adjustment to the first years of the Federation like for the Enterprise crew?

Or go further.  What's life like in the 26th century?  29th?  32nd?

That is why God invented all those comic books and novels that you're too good for. ;-)

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The situation Wil Wheaton described in his autobiography was circa 2001 or so. He's doing fine now.

Wheaton, in his biography, explains that Rick Berman prevented Wheaton from exercising his option to be absent from THE NEXT GENERATION in order to do a film, telling Wheaton the film's shooting days overlapped with a Wesley-centered episode. Then the shooting days for the Wesley episode came and Wheaton had no scenes whatsoever.

Wheaton was outraged and quit. In the rush of freedom from STAR TREK, he decided to focus on acting lessons, hone his craft, refine his skills and turned down the lead role of PRIMAL FEAR which took Edward Norton to stardom while Wheaton finished his education andwent to work for a computer startup firm that collapsed.

In returning to Hollywood, he couldn't land any roles. He'd been a very cute little boy, but now he was an extremely average looking adult man and the roles he competed for went to more conventionally attractive actors. He used up his money from STAR TREK on his wedding, his stepsons and a series of legal problems caused by his wife's ex-husband. With his savings gone and not much work, Wheaton was under a mountain of debt, borrowing money from his parents and constantly terrified to lose his house. He describes an evening at Hooters where his server asked him, "Didn't you used to be an actor when you were a kid?" and the horrifying realization that he couldn't claim to be an actor now.

In his autobiography, Wheaton describes how leaving STAR TREK was the right move in that moment: a chance to grow up, move forward and not be ruled by Rick Berman's ego. He studied acting more thoroughly. He met his wife. But years later, he was out of work, financially shattered, and he fully grasped the bitter irony that STAR TREK had been driving him to depression and misery, but he was depressed and miserable now and if he'd done his seven years on the show, he could be depressed and miserable and not nearly bankrupt. In shameful desperation, he was auditioning to game shows and trying to trade in on his D-list celebrity standing to support his wife and children, barely winning a spot on THE WEAKEST LINK.

He was called to appear in NEMESIS in a single scene that would take two days to film that was cut from the movie and not even invited to the premiere. Wheaton notes that this was a long line of behaviour from Rick Berman at events where Berman would call up every TNG regular to go onstage and take a bow and be recognized -- but Wheaton would be excluded, left sitting alone in the actors' section, the only person left in that section, seated while his co-workers were onstage.

Wheaton also said, however, that he didn't handle his exit from STAR TREK well. He doesn't go into detail beyond saying he was immature, that it was hard being a child surrounded by adults, he later describes an apology he gave to Patrick Stewart without conveying precisely what it was for which he had to apologize. Wheaton says that Stewart responded simply by saying that Wheaton had been a teenager and that everyone understood. So, I assume that Wheaton was not exactly innocent, although youth excuses many misdeeds.

I'm not clear on Berman's reason for disliking Wheaton, but at one point, Wheaton exclaims that he is sorry and that he was a kid and that it hurt that the DVD set doesn't use any photos of Wesley on the box or the discs. Then, Wheaton relates how he hit a period where conventions were no longer offering him a decent speaking fee, considering him on the same level as performers who played Transporter Chief #7 and sell signed headshots. "I went there expecting to sell hundreds of autographed pictures... hardly anyone was interested. I sat in a cavernous and undecorated area. 'This is what my life has come to,' I thought. 'I am a has-been.'"

A convention organizer for a 15-year anniversary convention flat out told him that while they paid top dollar for STAR TREK captains and good money for the likes of Denise Crosby and Gates McFadden, Wheaton was worthless.

Wheaton blogged about this conversation and the organizer was beset by a deluge of emails, phone calls and faxes by angry TREK fans who were furious at a TNG-actor being treated in this fashion and the convention apologized and booked Wheaton and his comedy troupe.

Wheaton describes the tipping point of his career -- an infomercial where he would peddle 3D glasses for computer games, an infomercial Wheaton describes as the final nail in the coffin holding his aspirations to be a serious actor. Weighing it, he felt that the product was good, that his career was dead anyway, and he might as well take the money, pay off his debts, support his family and transition into writing.

This led to his career renaissance on THE GUILD, THE BIG BANG THEORY and his involvement in the GEEK AND SUNDRY media platform and eventually, Wheaton was able to step into a new career as a geek-personality and web media producer and then a voice acting career. I think, financially, Wheaton is doing fine now. However, I think his career trajectory, during the downward spiral, spoke to a failure to recognize opportunity and a lack of creativity.

I can't judge him for quitting STAR TREK (although I'm sure his accountant does and Wheaton clearly credits this decision with destroying his career), but turning down PRIMAL FEAR was really, really stupid and he says so himself. "I foolishly thought Hollywood would wait for me," he writes. After that, he spent too much time doing only auditions when what he needed to do was start making his own work.

I'm friends with lots of actors (okay, two actresses) and they are perpetually auditioning for roles they don't get. Their attitude is to write their own dream roles and make sure that even if they're tending bar and working shifts in group homes to pay their bills, they have lived out their creative ambitions in the venue of independent stage theatre. Then there's actors like Tom Welling who spent their time as actors treating the set of their show as film school so that afterwards, Tom wasn't just an actor but also a producer and director. Allison Mack was in the same position as Wheaton on SMALLVILLE and stuck it out for nine years before having a mid-life crisis that resulted in her reduced role for Season 10. Why'd she stay? She did it for the money.

In an interview with Robert Floyd, whom I still like even though he voted for Trump, Floyd spoke how of actors should save their money. "You got paid as a guest star," he recalls saying to a bartender. "Don't spend that money, don't live off that money or you will be broke, you will have nothing," advising his employee to instead treat his bar wages as his spending money and his acting wages as savings.

Wheaton says after TREK, he fell in love with the woman who became his wife, fell in love with her children, now his stepsons, and he spent everything he had from TREK and STAND BY ME to set up his new life with his new family. Getting married so young and with kids to support without a stable income was foolhardy, but while Wheaton regrets leaving TREK and rejecting PRIMAL FEAR, his marriage and stepsons are not regrets and never were, not even when he was on the verge of homelessness.

As Wheaton himself confesses, he would've been better off doing Seasons 5- 7 of STAR TREK. But he doesn't need it to help him anymore; he makes his own work now and he's not selling signed action figures to make a minimum payment and hoping DISCOVERY will cast him in order to save him from his creditors.

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With regards to CNN, I completely agree with Informant and it's a lengthy pattern of what alternates between journalistic malpractice and journalistic bullying that cannot be allowed to stand. The Intercept has a fairly good overview of recent media recklessness at https://theintercept.com/2017/06/27/cnn … ia-threat/ and their outrage over CNN threatening citizens at https://theintercept.com/2017/07/05/cnn … ddit-user/ is how I feel about it too.

I was reading Wil Wheaton's autobiography, JUST A GEEK, where he described the terrible shame of running into Jonathan Frakes and Brent Spiner and Patrick Stewart and their assorted successes while he'd had one disastrous audition after another, and how he was embarrassed to park anywhere near them because they all had luxury cars while he had a Volkswagen and how he came to realize that despite his youthful bravado, quitting STAR TREK had been a complete and total financial disaster and career suicide and I felt this tremendous sense of relief and comfort to know that even someone as cool as Wil Wheaton has often felt pathetic.

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TemporalFlux wrote:
Informant wrote:

Can someone explain to me why people hate the Amazing Spider-Man movies so much?

The first Amazing Spider-man is probably my favorite film with the character.  They hit all the right notes for me (it even somehow felt like the 80's comics I grew up with); and it provided the best explanation I've seen of why decent people in the world would fear and hate Spider-man (because of his initial focus on the almost ruthless hunt for Uncle Ben's killer).

Amazing Spider-man 2 was a huge drop of the ball and the worst of the franchise in my opinion.  The Spider-man costume was perfect, but everything else was like something Joel Schumacher made.  And as if my disappointment in the movie wasn't enough, the mid credits scene was some left field promo for X-men.

This is exactly how I feel.

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I can't agree with that. You are free to watch it in production order, of course, but I feel that "As Time Goes By" is, as Ian McDuffie put it, the unplanned series finale of SLIDERS.

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I don't recall having this conversation with Transmodiar, although I do remember a discussion between him and Recall317 where they discussed how "Obsession"'s psychic characters who can predict the future accurately cast great confusion on SLIDERS claiming in other episodes that every event has multiple outcomes that result in the creation of one parallel Earth for each possibility.

Personally, I file questions regarding the mechanics of the multiverse next to where Arturo always got a fitted, tailored suit and how the sliders could alternate between the same sets of clothes despite never carrying luggage or how they had money given they stopped trying to find jobs after Season 1 outside of "Fire Within" and "Java Jive."

The real world explanation for why SLIDERS in Seasons 1 - 2 generally explored branches from a version of history similar to our own -- it was a TV show written and filmed on our Earth with all the inherent limitations of our reality and our frames of reference.

The in-universe explanation for why this was the case, if you really need one, is that the timer was a damaged and malfunctioning device that could only follow the path of least resistance in identifying branching points to which the sliders would travel and the closest branching points would originate from the sliders home Earth and variants within that particular history.

However, from Season 3 and onward, all that goes out the window when the sliders encounter dragons, intelligent flames that can talk, vampires, super-snakes and a double of Quinn Mallory played by a different actor. We seem to gravitate back to the Season 1 - 2 template in "New Gods for Old" when Dr. Diana Davis remarks that the sliders seem to be encountering, in sequence, different outcomes to one specific event.

But I have to confess, I don't really find these questions about SLIDERS all that interesting. I'd be more interested to contemplate how we might take the time-is-behind idea of "The Guardian" and do another variation on it -- with a story where time is ahead, and leading to a plot where we can look at Quinn's retirement and his death and the legacy that sliding would leave behind after the original sliders are dead and gone. Perhaps Quinn, at age 46, encounters a strange gateway in his basement office. He steps in to find himself in an aged version of his basement filled with artifacts of 45 more years of adventures and seated in a chair is an aged Quinn Mallory. This Quinn-2 is 90 years-old. He has sought a younger version of himself to provide knowledge that only this older Quinn can offer.

At Quinn-2's beckoning, other visitors arrive in the basement: Mary, Rickman, Governor Schick, Mr. Chandler, Bolivar, Ted Bernsen, Cutter, Gerald Thomas, Gareth, Dr. Aldohn, and the older Quinn reveals their impact on the multiverse, showing to our Quinn that these supposed enemies have in fact been a force for order, stability and structure while Quinn's actions throughout his life have ultimately led to chaos, anarchy and death. The younger Quinn is stunned and confused, and the older Quinn summons the intelligent living flame, the strange life form that held all the secrets of the multiverse and the flame offers Quinn another chance at true enlightenment...

Sorry, I don't know where I was going with this and Transmodiar said if I wrote anymore fanfic, he would kill me in my sleep.

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Transmodiar, you are public enemy number one of this Bboard, I should at least get a few laughs out of it.

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In the past, due to Informant's comments asking me to try to see things from his end, I've read PRIMETIME PROPAGANDA  in which Ben Shapiro asserts that TV shows featuring gay characters and a belief in equality and tolerance for difference indicates hostility towards Republicans (whom he apparently considers against truth and justice). I've rewatched Sarah Palin's interviews and James O'Keefe's videos and these people come off as alternatively deceitful or deranged with their only redeeming virtue being that they claim to be on Informant's end of the political spectrum. 

Long before this thread, I encountered Elam's hate speech. One of Elam's more disturbing essays includes the view: "I have ideas about women who spend evenings in bars hustling men for drinks, playing on their sexual desires … NO, THEY ARE NOT ASKING TO GET RAPED. They are freaking begging for it. Damn near demanding it."
https://www.scribd.com/document/2346962 … ce-for-Men

I just don't have anymore energy left to look into Informant's experts of choice. And I am not watching a documentary that tries to legitimize this man nor would I trust his statistical analysis of rape reports. I'm also not going to worry about convincing Informant. I just want it on the record that I consider Paul Elam a women-hating loon and I cannot stress enough in the name of all that is holy that Informant's views do not represent the views of Sliders.tv.

Informant's opinions are welcome here; I just don't want them mistaken for a Bboard consensus. Not that there is a consensus. I mean, we can't even agree on the correct episode order for Season 2.

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Neno has the most delightful vision of SLIDERS. Season 1, Episode 2! The sliders hide out in a hotel and refuse to go outside: Wade and Professor play checkers while Rembrandt gives Quinn singing lessons. Season 1, Episode 3: The sliders find an all-night diner and refuse to leave: Arturo takes over in the kitchen while Wade works the cash register and Quinn and Rembrandt man the deep fryers. Season 5, Episode 22! The sliders venture as far as the front porch of Quinn's house before deciding they'd rather stay in and play Pictionary.

... I'd watch that show. I would have been totally happy if SLIDERS returned as a sitcom with Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo running a burger joint. But would anyone else like it?

:-)

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I agree that I said exactly what I should say -- that the men's rights movement is composed largely of men who are upset that oppressed women are finding voices and agency. Upset that abusive men can't as easily get away with the harassment and mistreatment that they have customarily inflicted upon women. This latest attempt at re-branding men's rights as a social justice movement defending the innocent is the equivalent of hiring a serial arsonist to be a fire fighter. A movement based on reclaiming the male privilege of immunity in assaulting women is incapable of addressing the plight of male victims.

Oh, good lord, THE RED PILL's star subject is Paul Elam. I've changed my mind, I don't have time to watch THE RED PILL because I've spent quite enough time reading the words of Paul Elam, a lunatic who spews hate speech such as declaring that all rapists should go free, blaming rape victims for being assaulted and declaring that Asian women must never be trusted and other horrific garbage.

This has got to be a joke, right? Transmodiar, this is you pranking me, isn't it?

I'd just like to add that Informant's views are always welcome here and I don't respond to argue as much as not wanting the internet to think Sliders.tv is entirely a band of alt-right Trump supporters. We're home to lots of strange people including this one crazy person who considers Quinn Mallory a 90s era Jesus and that eunuch who asked us to advise him on his girl problems.

(It wasn't weird that he was a eunuch; it was weird that he would ask US for relationship advice, a proposition that at the time was asking the blind to lead the blind.)

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Are you god-damn serious? Are you sincerely asserting that the men's rights movement is an effort to cast attention towards male victims of sexual assault? As opposed to what it actually is -- a movement of misogyny and rape culture designed by people who either perpetrate acts of prejudice and violence towards women or feel disinclined to consider how half the population is marginalized and mis-used simply for being born with a different chromosome.

A movement that dismisses and denies the harassment and mistreatment women suffer constantly in order to cast its own proponents as victims. A movement that has been completely exposed as people who hate women trying to achieve social legitimacy but largely deals in threatening to rape and kill women who demand equality. Even for someone who claimed that people who find Trump's racist remarks offensive can't unfiltered conversation, endorsing the men's rights movement is a pretty sad step downward.

And anyone who is proud to not be a feminist is simply sick in the head. To steal from Aziz Ansari, if you believe that men and women should be equal, then you have to identify as a feminist. A medical practitioner who addresses ailments of the teeth can't protest that calling him a dentist is too aggressive and forward a term.

This has got to be a joke. This has got to be a phishing endeavour. Clearly, Sliders.tv's old nemesis, Transmodiar, has hacked Sliders.tv's forum, co-opted Informant's account and posted a message where Informant declares his support for men's right activism and spoken out against feminism. Holy crap, Matt. I realize you were irritated that I would run nonsensical SLIDERS plots past you just to get a dumbfounded reaction to post on the Bboard, but you've gone too far this time.

... I guess I'll watch THE RED PILL next weekend.

I just want to take this moment to hand over my Most Sarcastic Person On Sliders.TV award to Jim_Hall. Clearly, I have been trumped, the better man has won. I did not buy the book. Thank you all.

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One of my favourite games is to keep track of the kinds of people Informant considers to be above reproach. You either have to be the laughingstock of American politics (Sarah Palin), a noted fraudster (James O'Keefe) and apparently, supporting moronic conspiracy theories of zero-evidence but plenty of hatred for black people is also an excellent way to win his approval.

And if you can also be an incompetent US President who blurts out classified information and thinks the best way to avoid obstruction of justice charges is to fire an FBI director in order to obstruct an ongoing investigation, Informant will claim all your problems are someone else's doing!

Leaks to the press are currently one of the few means of holding Trump accountable for his actions given his current hold of the White House, the Senate, Congress, the Department of Justice and his personal wealth. The press is one of the few avenues in which he does not have a high level of control. Furthermore, none of these leaks are in any way illegal because the information is not remotely classified. Is it a firing offense? Certainly. A criminal one? If it were, anyone angsting in a bar about a lousy day at work would be sitting behind bars.

Furthermore, Trump has confessed in one of his random outbursts that he fired the former FBI director to impede the investigation into suspected collusion with Russia. It is illegal to engage in obstruction of justice and to interfere with a criminal investigation regardless of being innocent of the suspected crime. The tradition of the White House and the FBI staying on separate paths is to prevent the executive branch from influencing the Department of Justice for the benefit of the executive branch because it can lead to criminal actions like curtailing proceedings that threatened the commander in chief's legal standing.

As for the complaint that people wanted to impeach Trump before he'd even been sworn into office -- part of it was indeed sour grapes and it'd be silly to think there wasn't a desire to impeach in advance of finding cause. But Trump's behaviour in his business dealings have largely been through fraud: encouraging investors to fund real estate deals designed to collapse with Trump taking their money and running, a fraudulent university, engaging the services of construction and law firms and refusing to pay.

Trump earned his fortune on cheating people and students of his past had a reasonable expectation that Trump take improper advantage of his presidency for personal gain on criminal terms

Shooting Republicans is wrong. Trying to run them off the road is wrong. I'm also uncomfortable with punching Nazis unless it's a time of war. However, it is intriguing that the people who cite acts of Liberal on Republican violence have next to no comment on the burst of hate crimes in the wake of a Trump presidency. The truth is likely a middle ground where anger and partisan rage against either side has led to people revealing their most hateful, volatile and aggressive instincts whether it's on one side or the other.

But regardless of where we stand politically, the US election was subject to a blatant attack on a democratic electoral system by a foreign power that did so to the benefit of a particular individual, possibly in tandem and possibly not, but the truth must be found because this isn't the end. The Russian administration will only increase and further advance their methods of interfering in the process of US government and the consequences will be severe for everyone whether we live in the States or don't. Like it or not, America has led civilization into freedom and progress for over 240 years and it must be defended and protected not just geographically, but ideologically, politically and therefore technologically. I'm not an American, but if you go down, we all go down.

A supposedly innocent President should welcome a full and invasive investigation in order to clear himself and his office, as opposed to firing the former lead investigator and hoping to fire the next one. It's not only the behaviour of a guilty man, it's arguably illegal if evidence can establish the intent to block the investigation. Mueller is a registered Republican who was appointed by George W. Bush as the sixth FBI director. He won universal acclaim from both parties upon his appointment and he should be encouraged to conduct his investigation and find the truth. A person who objects to his investigating Russian interference, potential collusion with Americans and the president obstructing justice is a person afraid of the truth.

The fact that Informant is against a full investigation of the Russian assault on the American electoral process and the potential involvement of the President makes me wonder if Informant loves America as much as he likes to say he does.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na … fd6f98a8b7

This is only the beginning.

I'm visiting a small town for a stage theatre festival and this used bookstore has SLIDERS THE CLASSIC EPISODES -- the badly reviewed episode guide by Brad Linaweaver -- for $20. Do YOU think it's worth it? Decide for me! Decide!

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Maybe Sabrina would be magical on her own show, but when appearing on RIVERDALE, she never overtly uses magic on camera and the RIVERDALE characters think she's just a stage magician.

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I'd probably take the approach in a modern version of SLIDERS where the characters evolve on an ongoing basis, but the A-story and B-story are resolved within each episode. So, Quinn would start out as geeky and intimidated, but by the end of Season 1, he throws his first punch and by Season 2, he'd be more aggressive but also more tactical. Wade would start out as mousey and shy, but by the middle of Season 2, she'd become daring and wild. Rembrandt would start out as cowardly, but by the end of Season 1, he'd be handling shotguns and knocking people unconscious. And the Professor would become more and more relaxed.

I would also tweak the setup every season or two. Season 1 is about surviving all the craziness of the multiverse. In Season 2, the sliders become more determined to get involved in people's lives and learn more about parallel cultures. In Season 3, they defeat Logan St. Clair, take over Prototronics, rename it Sliders Incorporated and now they have a home base and much more advanced technology. In Season 4, the sliders realize the Kromaggs have become a threat impossible to ignore and the myth-arc episodes involve either learning more about the Kromagg campaign of conquest or gathering technology that could be useful in a future conflict and end the season with war erupting.

In Season 5, we have a three episode arc in which the sliders defeat the Kromaggs but lose Sliders Inc. and their home base and their advanced sliding and are reduced to being nomadic wanderers once again. In Season 6, the sliders finally make it home, but discover that after five years of travel, home is as alien to them as any parallel Earth and begin the process of not only rebuilding Sliders Inc. but training new recruits in a new project the Professor calls Sliders Academy.

In Season 7, we flash forward 100 years into the future to see a world that has been changed by sliding technology -- and then our sliders appear, having been trapped in quantum limbo and only just emerging from the vortex, unaged from when they were put in suspension, and now involved in a new battle for the legacy of sliding itself. And so on and so on.

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I think I am just taking a little break from SLIDERS. I tried to watch the new episodes of DOCTOR WHO recently and didn't finish the new episode with Capaldi and Pearl Mackie. It was good, I just wanted to rest. I think finishing SLIDERS REBORN just left me feeling like I'd done my part for the cause and it was time to retire or at the very least, take a leave of absence.

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Call me a traditionalist, but reinventing SLIDERS' platform and storytelling to be more 'modern' and in step with LOST or whatever strikes me as reinventing the wheel. To me, what makes SLIDERS limitless and potent is that every episode is set on a new Earth. Every episode is a new story in a new setting with a new beginning, middle and end. It's weird to me that Tracy Torme was so obsessed with writing a show that would alienate a casual viewing audience with arcs and ongoing continuity when he and Robert K. Weiss created a series concept that could welcome new viewers at any point with any episode.

It's also weird to me that FOX, while rightly concerned with making SLIDERS accessible to a general audience who might not see every episode in a pre-view-on-demand era, ultimately turned the show into something that was totally incomprehensible to the casual viewer by Season 4.

And, looking at SLIDERS' sister series, THE X-FILES -- THE X-FILES didn't really do ongoing story-arcs either. Each season mostly had standalone episodes that could be aired in any order -- and throughout the season were a few myth-arc episodes that would serve as sequels to the previous myth-arc episode but create little to no interference with standalones. This approach was sustained even in the 2015 revival.

As a result, THE X-FILES was almost always accessible. Despite criticisms of being overly dense, the majority of X-FILES stories are about a and a believer investigating a paranormal event -- no additional information required. And that was probably how SLIDERS should have been -- standalone episodes with a Kromagg/Wrong Arturo/Logan St. Clair thrown in occasionally, and trying to do anything else in the 90s was just insane.

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Is it as scary to you all as it is to me that we now count on SyFy to know quality science fiction and to make sure their shows have proper endings?

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I want to take a moment to grieve for Informant whose genetic inability to have fun has clearly taken a clear turn for the worse to the point where standard superhero speeches about standing up to tyranny and intimidation have become an obnoxious gauntlet of irritation.

It must be tough for him to get through the day believing that anyone who writes words rejecting "alternative facts" and urging "resistance" must be ignorant and stupid as opposed to having a different point of view. Let us all take a few minutes of silence to reflect upon Informant's torment.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

I'd probably check out Agents of Shield before you check out Supergirl.  I still like Supergirl, but I don't think they changed anything.  Shield, at least in my opinion, is noticeably better.

Why Informant will never want to watch SUPERGIRL in one scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ0dE6fqEPY

Why Informant will never want to watch AGENTS OF SHIELD, again, in one scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCl2ww6JJxA

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I thought ARROW's Season 5 finale was a good ending to a good season.

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THE FLASH has been really off this season and there was the overwhelming sense that each individual episode was written without a clear plan for the entire season as a whole. FLASHPOINT made no sense in why Barry's mother being alive meant he never knew Iris or why Joe was a drunk; Barry undid Flashpoint for no particular reason and this led to other irrational changes (Cisco losing his brother, Caitlin having the metahuman gene).

Then there's Caitlin developing a split personality, again, for no reason. There's Savitar seeming to have read a few pages ahead in each script, but at no point was there any real sense that Savitar actually knew the Flash and his friends, so the reveal that Savitar is a future version of Barry didn't really hold any weight, and any impact was diluted by Savitar having nothing to do with Barry's actions, nothing to do with Flashpoint and being the result of something the Flash would do in some future situation we never saw.

We have a series finale where Barry reaches out to Savitar as a friend and the plotline is abruptly dropped for no reason. And then the ending of Season 3 -- for no reason, the Speed Force is suddenly threatening our world and Barry's sacrifice is needed. There was no build to this development, it isn't the result of Barry's actions. There were a lot of strong episodes in Season 3, but, like SUPERNATURAL, nothing cohered at the endpoint.

There were all these great ideas, but the finesse and care and detail was not sustained sufficiently over numerous episodes to make them work over the course of a year and to bring them to a climax at the end.

I get the sense that showrunners Greg Berlanti and Andrew Kreisberg are just really divided across too many shows. ARROW has Marc Guggenheim and Wendy Mericle as the lead producers and their focus on ARROW really helped this year. SUPERGIRL has always had Ali Adler.

LEGENDS and FLASH seem to have received less attention and effort this year with Berlanti working on ARROW and LEGENDS and SUPERGIRL and BLACK LIGHTNING and RIVERDALE and at this rate, Berlanti will be responsible for 95 per cent of all network TV by 2022 and all of it will be crashingly average at best.

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Breaking news: Alamo Drafthouse realizes their mistake in having a single screening of WONDER WOMAN for women and only women. They have come to appreciate that they made a terrible strategic error and have amended it. They're having MORE women only screenings!!! :-D

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/201 … ening.html

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I agree. I don't really see movies in theatres much anymore, but I think I will make an exception for WONDER WOMAN specifically for the purposes of talking about on this board.

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I know! Informant really suffers the most of all marginalized groups in all the world, constantly having to deal with the absurd notion that people who aren't Caucasian and male are systemically and institutionally mistreated. We really must have a greater understanding of his white people burdens and how much it weighs on him heavily that there could be a women-only screening for a largely male dominated genre and, of course, his financial calculations of the economic fallout implicit in having a movie screening for women.

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Oh, what a shame that there's a space where white men aren't welcome in a world that's almost exclusively for them.

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And Trump revelations continue to bear an uncanny resemblance to President Lex Luthor's ousting from the White House...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na … c0049f1ebe

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What exactly has Trump done that you disagree with in the slightest, given that you take no issue with Trump blurting out codeword information shared covertly and secretly from an asset that will most likely no longer trust US intelligence now that the president has established that he will brag about secret information just to impress any guests who happen to be passing through?

I ask merely for the information.

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Is it just me or did all these season-long plotlines -- Men of Letters, Lucifer's spawn, Mary's detachment -- just get resolved in a very rushed, anti-climactic way? There was no build-up, no rising action. A lot of troubling, random events followed by the hunters storming the Men of Letters installation and blowing it up. Tremendously rushed, anti-climactic deaths for two characters, one of whom didn't even appear onscreen. And before there was any time to absorb that, the nephilim is born and we only glimpse it before the season ends. This didn't feel like a season finale.

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If O'Keefe's targets responded with a series of contradictory denials, each more self-incriminating and ludicrous than before, I'd find O'Keefe's assertions credible as well.

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Comey will testify publicly to the Senate, so those questions will be asked.

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Very interesting writeup from a friend of James Comey sharing Comey's account of Trump.
https://lawfareblog.com/what-james-come … nald-trump

And Informant raises an excellent question: why should we trust the anonymous sources of the Washington Post and the New York Times? WP supported the war in Iraq with bogus information. NYT had to fire Jayson Blair. And so on.

My attitude is that the White House response to the assertions made by the anonymous sources are so incoherently self-contradictory, so reactively defensive and so quickly undermined that it makes the unattributed claims all the more credible.

Reports that Trump had fired Comey over the Russian investigation were met with Trump's surrogates saying it was due to the deputy attorney general's memo, that it had nothing to do with the investigation, that Comey's handling of the Clinton email case was poor -- only to be overturned by Trump himself declaring that he had planned to fire Comey for ages over being a "showboat" and a "grandstander" and, indeed, for the Russian investigation.

Trump claimed Comey asked to have dinner together and to keep his job at the FBI, an absurd claim as the FBI and White House traditionally stay separate. Comey had many more years left on his term of duty. Trump's ridiculous account lends greater credence to the report of Comey's memos saying that Trump insisted on their meeting to demand a loyalty pledge. The claims from the anonymous sources make coherent sense.

The White House's responses to these accusations are inconsistent, self-contradictory, overturned shortly after their delivery -- which are all the hallmarks of people running scared from the truth, grabbing whatever lie comes to mind before throwing it away in favour of another lie, ricocheting from one flimsy denial to the next. At least that's how it looks to me.

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I have also been watching WEINER, a documentary about another crazy politician who lacked any impulse control and blew up his own life. Twice.

http://www.watchonline.red/weiner-2016-watch-online/

Retail Link: https://www.amazon.com/Weiner-Anthony/dp/B01IURTFIC

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Informant's claims to the contrary, I find that he is primarily driven by ideology and if reports from Comey's memos and aides and friends don't fit his ideology, he will declare that they cannot be trusted even as he throws his weight behind fraudsters like James O'Keefe and empty-headed parrots like Sarah Palin and infantile oafs like Donald Trump. However, I agree with Informant that it isn't about evidence; it's about strategic advantage.

Will Republicans eventually find that their constant occupation with defending Trump makes it impossible to govern? Or does control of the Senate, Congress and the White House make having Trump's constant scandals a tolerable situation? Impeachment will come when the GOP finds that Trump's presidency makes it impossible to execute their agenda whether it's through blunders, scandals or the Mueller investigation yielding incontrovertible evidence of collusion with Russia. But so long as Republicans can pass bills and get laws signed with Trump in office, they will not support an impeachment and without their support, it's not going to happen.

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I sometimes wonder what the difference is between being restrained and being withholding? That said, the story absolutely demanded that Harry return to Earth 2; there was no compelling reason for him to stay on Earth 1 once Zoom was defeated.

**

ARROW has had a good season as Stephen Amell was apparently successful in convincing the producers to give up on magical resurrections and telekinetic villains and return to street-level storytelling.

There's been some awkward hiccups here and there, obviously -- the Black Siren tease was misguided, Evelyn turning her back on Oliver for being a murderer and signing up with the cop-killing, innocent slaughtering Prometheus remains incomprehensible, Wild Dog giving up his daughter because he spilled soup was bizarre, Thea's absences have been oddly random -- but on the whole, it's been a really great season of moral quandaries, psychological exploration, experimental storytelling (an entire episode of Oliver being tortured! A bottle episode in the bunker! New recruits!) and a very good return to form.

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Ah. I never watch trailers.

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Tom Cavanagh is on contract for Season 4 and so is Candice Patton, and both were announced as being part of Season 4. But no fan of SLIDERS should take it for granted, of course, that actors will remain.

I was very happy to see Harry back this week. As enjoyable as HR is and as much as Cavanagh clearly appreciates playing something new, Cavanagh has always been best as the father figure of the series, as Professor Arturo, and turning him into Mallory this year left the show a bit unbalanced.

It looks like TF was not quite right about HR being Abra Kadabra, although there's still one episode left.

**

ARROW was good. I was surprised to see Deathstroke back and played by Manu Bennett. For the past few months, Bennett had declared that he was not returning to ARROW, that announcements by the producers were vastly overstating his involvement, that it hadn't been him in INVASION and it wouldn't be him in the ARROW Season 5 finale and that he had been greatly displeased with his last episode and that the ARROW producers were reusing previously recorded dialogue and a stunt double to have Deathstroke appear. So it was nice to see him at the end and realize Bennett had been trying not to spoil a surprise.

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So, one of the key plot points of SLIDERS REBORN is that all these mysterious little digital clocks have been scattered across three Earths, all counting down in perfect sync, all accelerating in their countdown with each natural or sociological disaster, all thought to be counting down to the end of all things and referred to as doomsday clocks.

And the storyline for how the sliders all came back to life (a joyful timeline of wonderful adventures corrupted by cynicism and horror through the reality alterations of a malicious mad scientist) bore an uncanny resemblance to the plot of DC UNIVERSE: REBIRTH, written by Geoff Johns, where it's revealed that the current DC Universe of depression and darkness has been corrupted by the manipulations of Dr. Manhattan.

Well, the big finale for this DC superheroes vs. Dr. Manhattan storyline has been announced and the title of this Geoff Johns written story is DOOMSDAY CLOCK. I've clearly been reading comics for too long.

**

In other news, I listened to half of the latest Sliderscast and... did not finish it. It was fine, there was nothing wrong with it. It's just -- I think I may have gotten over SLIDERS.

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AGENTS OF SHIELD continues to impress. Mallory Jansen, who plays Agnes/Aida/Madame Hydra, is terrifying and chameleonic in these multiple roles and quite possibly the best villain of the series since Maveth. It's fascinating how Jansen can illicit sympathy while being completely contemptible. I hope they can find some way to keep her around next year even if her character doesn't remain.

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I agree. However, I must confess that I don't even have Netflix on my phone. It's always been a home theatre and tablet app for me and Android tablets aren't very prominent these days.

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Something weird happened today. My Moto G4 started showing ghost images. The status bar and the text messaging app were burned into the screen with phantom images of the keyboard, notification icons and time embedded the background over top of any app. But the burnt in image was from half an hour previous. I restarted the phone twice and it wouldn't go away. And so, as I am wont to do with many things that irk me, I froze it out -- which is to say I put the somewhat hot phone in the freezer and the ghost image was gone a half-hour later.

I think there's a weird glitch where high heat when the phone's under load and at maximum brightness causes images to briefly be retained in the display. I'm going to limit myself to 70 per cent brightness from now on, which is still pretty bright. And at least the 'burn in' isn't permanent like it'd be on a Samsung.

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http://jezebel.com/tennessee-woman-atte … 209243/amp

Too far.

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I've always found Informant to be a truly peculiar character and this thread frequently emphasizes that. I used to wonder if Informant simply sides with whoever he perceives to be a figure of power, hence his uniform siding with the police and whoever held the gun in any instance of black men being brutalized and murdered.

However, the Republicans had been on the losing side for the last eight years and he supported them right to the point of declaring the barely literate Sarah Palin  to be a delightfully intelligent woman, so I wonder if it's simply that he backs ideology and anyone who claims to support his views is above serious reproach even if one is an exposed fraud or a self-admitted sexual harasser and a predator of the poor.

The Republicans' party lines generally reflect his ideology that, among many other things, health care is an individual responsibility and not a right to be delivered by government. Except that's not what the Republicans are presenting either; in a post-Obamacare America, the populace views health care as a right, so the AHCA is being presented as a massive improvement in service as opposed to what it's actually been designed to do -- put the burden of health care back on the individual.

Then we get into Informant's unintelligible, inexplicable mental contortions where Donald Trump may have called his executive order a Muslim ban and confessed to sexual assault, but neither qualifies as either because Trump's words, quotes and actions shouldn't define his character and presidency in any way -- and oh, here is a heartwarming story about how Informant stood up for the rights of that half-assed doctor who was unjustly punished for letting a baby go blind.

Honestly, trying to figure Informant out is like trying to understand God; I only ever seem to drive myself crazy doing it and I'm not going to try anymore. I won't let it stop me from buying his books.

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After the showstopper of Savitar's reveal, this light diversion felt oddly misplaced with Savitar dumping some exposition before disappearing for an episode. The explanation for Savitar is... adequate? But it's a shame he's not a time remnant previously created on the show or a result of Flashpoint or in any way tied to the present Barry and Barry's character.

It would have worked better if this remnant had been the one who seemingly sacrificed himself to stop Zoom, alive but scarred, insane and furious at Barry having abandoned him and not even considering him real.

As for this episode -- it's an episode of THE FLASH in which Barry isn't the Flash, and I wish they would not make such episodes.

Can't really quibble with SQ21 noting all the problems in the time travel logic.

Never has TF felt more on point to say there are too many shows and too few showrunners.

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Sometimes, Comey was on my side and sometimes he was on the other side, but I always respected him as the last honest man in a world of liars, a man who was no one's lackey or loyalist and answered only to his own conscience -- a conscience that was, however, often marred by a rapturous overconfidence in his own self-righteousness rather than a solemn assessment of the situation. In a time of potential peace, I saw him as a dangerous figure; in the fascist nightmare that America's become, I saw him as one of the few remaining checks and balances on a corrupt and compromised administration.

Basically, I saw him the way Dean sees Crowley on SUPERNATURAL.

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I wonder how real life for the FBI will affect Mulder and Scully, although, to be blunt, Mulder and Scully and the writers ignored the FBI's mission, purpose, protocol and function so often, they might as well have been Agents Mulder and Scully of PHOENIX, KITT, UNIT, the Lightman Group, GI JOE, SHIELD or some other fictional organization.

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I'm sorry to hear this. :-(

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https://www.ivoox.com/the-x-cast-89-joe … 698_1.html

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

Have they ever tried giving an explanation for how Harry and/or HR even lives on Earth 1?  Does he have a fake ID?  A credit card?  Did/do they both live at STAR labs?  Does HR have any money?  It's basically a Sliders situation....he shouldn't exist.

Now that I think about it, money is never mentioned.  Are Caitlin and Cisco still employed at STAR Labs?  Who owns it?  Did Harrison Wells leave it to one of them?  And, if so, did he also leave other money?  Who's financing any of this?

At least with Arrow, they've used Queen money to pay for everything.  Although I have no idea whether or not Oliver has any money or if Felicity is still running PalmerTech or if any of those businesses still exist.

I find it best not to ask these questions too much, and one of the worst things about the middle seasons of ARROW was how Queen Consolidated's earnings was played as this huge deal, except when Oliver lost his company and money, he didn't seem to have any trouble finding a place to live or constantly buying gadgets and supplies.

With regards to THE FLASH, there's the unspoken sense that Eobard Thawne's future knowledge and genius and assuming the Harrison Wells identity would have meant that STAR Labs continues to generate revenue through patents. That said, THE FLASH is a show that often does not withstand the scrutiny of real world considerations. You might ask;

  • How did the Pipeline villains use the bathroom?

  • Why was STAR Labs continuing to rent a massive facility for a staff of three people and one coma patient?

  • Why does nobody besides Barry Allen work in the crime lab and why did no one make use of the lab in Barry's year-long coma?

  • Why is Barry even allowed to work as a forensic scientist when, having recovered from a coma, he would have to pass a battery of psych and physical tests or risk his evidence being dismissed as unreliable in court?

  • Why does Barry lack a department head or supervisor at the police station?

  • Why did Barry never seem to go home in Season 1? Where was he sleeping?

The answer to all of the above, of course, is that THE FLASH is a fantasy adventure series.

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"I am the future Flash." What a great reveal! It makes no sense whatsoever in terms of what we know so far -- are we really to believe that any version of Barry Allen in any time or place would kill Iris? But it's still a great line.

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The only concrete piece of info I have about this upcoming story arc -- it involves aliens having infiltrated the Trump administration.

Chris Carter isn't really involved in the comics. For the comic book SEASON 10, Carter consulted on the first five issues. Writer Joe Harris wanted the villain of SEASON 10 to be a teenaged William with telekinetic and psychic powers, taking control of the Colonists and Rebels with a new faction called the Believers. But Carter vetoed this, saying he wanted William saved for THE X-FILES III if it ever happened.

Carter also provided some guidance so that Harris could steer clear of any plots that would contradict a future feature film finale. But we got a TV series instead, Carter had a different vision for THE X-FILES on TV and the comics became part of an alternate universe that wrapped up (somewhat abruptly) before the comics shifted to the Revival universe (with the same writer). While Carter's name is on the covers and he has an Executive Producer credit and he reads the comic scripts, he's not driving it creatively.

Anyway. Joe Harris and I are of very similar mindsets politically and creatively -- his X-FILES comics are essentially the X-FILES version of SLIDERS REBORN (obsessive love letters to the legacy and history of an unfinished TV show), right to the point of using the same title in our stories where icons of 90s sci-fi TV take on Donald Trump.

So, keeping with that, I imagine a situation where Mulder's old friend, Senator Matheson, recruits Mulder and Scully to investigate potential sleeper agents in the White House administration. It's revealed that the sleepers are actually the fire aliens introduced in THE X-FILES #1 (2017) that have been taking over human hosts for some unknown endgame, and Mulder and Scully find themselves forced to protect Trump and his staff from an enemy only they can fight, wrestling with the conflicts between their beliefs and their duty.

Continuing with the conceit that Harris and I think the same, I'd never have the sliders -- or Mulder and Scully -- defeat Donald Trump. In fact, I think it would be critical that Quinn, Mulder and Scully end completely beaten but score some sort of symbolic, moral victory.

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Well, it's happening. Currently, it looks like FOX is renegotiating the comics licence with IDW and this five issue arc is conceivably the final set of TXF comics from this publisher.

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Joe Harris, who writes the X-FILES comics, recently revealed in a podcast that his next story arc will be Mulder and Scully taking on the Trump administration in a storyline entitled "Resistance." The synchronicity is hilarious.

The Christmas Special of 2016 also had Mulder remarking grimly on how he often had dreams of a "debunked, disavowed, disallowed alien invasion plot that never came to pass," a delightfully wry line of dialogue commenting on the massive retcon of "My Struggle."

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I honestly can't wrap my head around the reveal because I don't understand why Savitar would or could kill Iris. I'll have to see how it's explained, because I also ruled out Jay being Zoom based on how they'd been seen together.

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Ward was severely abused by his parents and older brother, and the latter forced Ward to beat up the youngest of the brothers, Thomas, and leave Thomas to nearly drown in a well. Ward was later sent to a brutal boarding school after he began openly defying his parents. One night, Ward escaped the school and attempted to burn down his family home with his parents and older brother inside, enraged at their treatment of him and Thomas.

The parents and brother escaped and Ward was arrested and tried as an adult until Garrett (Bill Paxton) broke him out. He then left the teenaged Ward alone in the wilderness with no supplies or equipment for six months and Ward nearly froze and starved until he taught himself to hunt and build shelter. Garrett refined Ward's survival skills and emotional detachment while inducing Ward's loyalty to Garrett by Garrett being the person who gave Ward his freedom and the only one who saw his value, and Garrett joined HYDRA and had Ward do the same, not because they subscribed to HYDRA but because Garrett sought revenge on SHIELD and Ward was obedient to Garrett.

After Garrett is killed and Ward's treachery is revealed, he initially insists that he's still part of Coulson's team and loyal to Daisy, offering them intel and insisting he'd never have harmed the team. But his injuring Fitz and murdering Victoria Hand proves unforgivable and Coulson decides to hand Ward over to Ward's abusive older brother, now a senator, in exchange for cooperation and access. Enraged, Ward escapes custody, kidnaps his brother and forces him to confess his abuse, at which point Ward ties his brother and parents up in their house and burns it down, this time succeeding in murdering his family.

Then Ward joins HYDRA as a sting to aid Daisy in finding her missing father, declaring his loyalty to her and Coulson's team again, but Daisy shoots Ward the first chance she gets and Ward realizes he has no hope. Ward falls in with a disavowed SHIELD agent, Kara, and inducts the traumatized former agent into his soldier and falls in love with her, only to accidentally kill her when setting a trap for SHIELD.

Blaming SHIELD, Ward reforms HYDRA and goes into open warfare, murdering Coulson's new girlfriend. Coulson begins a thorough analysis on Ward and determines that all of Ward's actions are a sick attempt to justify his past and blame others for his actions while claiming he alone acted correctly -- and Coulson locates Ward's younger brother, Thomas, who calls Ward and declares him a monster, saying Ward had no need to murder their parents and brother, that they could have moved on from their abuse, but Ward uses it as an excuse to act out his bloodlust and sadism. Ward's emotional breakdown allows Coulson to trace his location and kill him.

So... what it comes down to is that Ward was defined by his loyalties. Garrett encouraged Ward's anger and bitterness towards his family and, by extension, anyone in his way. Hand apparently encouraged Ward to leave his past behind. Ward's loyalty, in the Framework timeline, saw him build a new life and find new purpose whereas in the real world, he never cast away his demons.

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Daisy trusts Frameward. That said, it's a moot point -- Jed Whedon addressed the question and says that the Framework will not be used to bring Ward back as a regular character. It seems his appearance in the Framework was simply to deepen our understanding of the real Ward and realize that he could have been a hero if he'd had the right influence.