I think I am just taking a little break from SLIDERS. I tried to watch the new episodes of DOCTOR WHO recently and didn't finish the new episode with Capaldi and Pearl Mackie. It was good, I just wanted to rest. I think finishing SLIDERS REBORN just left me feeling like I'd done my part for the cause and it was time to retire or at the very least, take a leave of absence.
3,662 2017-06-08 20:31:31
Re: Random Thoughts about TV, Film and Media (724 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Call me a traditionalist, but reinventing SLIDERS' platform and storytelling to be more 'modern' and in step with LOST or whatever strikes me as reinventing the wheel. To me, what makes SLIDERS limitless and potent is that every episode is set on a new Earth. Every episode is a new story in a new setting with a new beginning, middle and end. It's weird to me that Tracy Torme was so obsessed with writing a show that would alienate a casual viewing audience with arcs and ongoing continuity when he and Robert K. Weiss created a series concept that could welcome new viewers at any point with any episode.
It's also weird to me that FOX, while rightly concerned with making SLIDERS accessible to a general audience who might not see every episode in a pre-view-on-demand era, ultimately turned the show into something that was totally incomprehensible to the casual viewer by Season 4.
And, looking at SLIDERS' sister series, THE X-FILES -- THE X-FILES didn't really do ongoing story-arcs either. Each season mostly had standalone episodes that could be aired in any order -- and throughout the season were a few myth-arc episodes that would serve as sequels to the previous myth-arc episode but create little to no interference with standalones. This approach was sustained even in the 2015 revival.
As a result, THE X-FILES was almost always accessible. Despite criticisms of being overly dense, the majority of X-FILES stories are about a and a believer investigating a paranormal event -- no additional information required. And that was probably how SLIDERS should have been -- standalone episodes with a Kromagg/Wrong Arturo/Logan St. Clair thrown in occasionally, and trying to do anything else in the 90s was just insane.
3,663 2017-06-04 13:47:18
Re: Random Thoughts about TV, Film and Media (724 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Is it as scary to you all as it is to me that we now count on SyFy to know quality science fiction and to make sure their shows have proper endings?
3,664 2017-05-31 15:38:59
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,684 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I want to take a moment to grieve for Informant whose genetic inability to have fun has clearly taken a clear turn for the worse to the point where standard superhero speeches about standing up to tyranny and intimidation have become an obnoxious gauntlet of irritation.
It must be tough for him to get through the day believing that anyone who writes words rejecting "alternative facts" and urging "resistance" must be ignorant and stupid as opposed to having a different point of view. Let us all take a few minutes of silence to reflect upon Informant's torment.
3,665 2017-05-30 16:20:58
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,684 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I'd probably check out Agents of Shield before you check out Supergirl. I still like Supergirl, but I don't think they changed anything. Shield, at least in my opinion, is noticeably better.
Why Informant will never want to watch SUPERGIRL in one scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ0dE6fqEPY
Why Informant will never want to watch AGENTS OF SHIELD, again, in one scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCl2ww6JJxA
3,666 2017-05-26 18:51:33
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,684 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I thought ARROW's Season 5 finale was a good ending to a good season.
**
THE FLASH has been really off this season and there was the overwhelming sense that each individual episode was written without a clear plan for the entire season as a whole. FLASHPOINT made no sense in why Barry's mother being alive meant he never knew Iris or why Joe was a drunk; Barry undid Flashpoint for no particular reason and this led to other irrational changes (Cisco losing his brother, Caitlin having the metahuman gene).
Then there's Caitlin developing a split personality, again, for no reason. There's Savitar seeming to have read a few pages ahead in each script, but at no point was there any real sense that Savitar actually knew the Flash and his friends, so the reveal that Savitar is a future version of Barry didn't really hold any weight, and any impact was diluted by Savitar having nothing to do with Barry's actions, nothing to do with Flashpoint and being the result of something the Flash would do in some future situation we never saw.
We have a series finale where Barry reaches out to Savitar as a friend and the plotline is abruptly dropped for no reason. And then the ending of Season 3 -- for no reason, the Speed Force is suddenly threatening our world and Barry's sacrifice is needed. There was no build to this development, it isn't the result of Barry's actions. There were a lot of strong episodes in Season 3, but, like SUPERNATURAL, nothing cohered at the endpoint.
There were all these great ideas, but the finesse and care and detail was not sustained sufficiently over numerous episodes to make them work over the course of a year and to bring them to a climax at the end.
I get the sense that showrunners Greg Berlanti and Andrew Kreisberg are just really divided across too many shows. ARROW has Marc Guggenheim and Wendy Mericle as the lead producers and their focus on ARROW really helped this year. SUPERGIRL has always had Ali Adler.
LEGENDS and FLASH seem to have received less attention and effort this year with Berlanti working on ARROW and LEGENDS and SUPERGIRL and BLACK LIGHTNING and RIVERDALE and at this rate, Berlanti will be responsible for 95 per cent of all network TV by 2022 and all of it will be crashingly average at best.
3,667 2017-05-26 13:52:22
Re: DC Superheroes in Film (1943 - 2024) (1,098 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Breaking news: Alamo Drafthouse realizes their mistake in having a single screening of WONDER WOMAN for women and only women. They have come to appreciate that they made a terrible strategic error and have amended it. They're having MORE women only screenings!!! :-D
3,668 2017-05-26 13:34:55
Re: DC Superheroes in Film (1943 - 2024) (1,098 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I agree. I don't really see movies in theatres much anymore, but I think I will make an exception for WONDER WOMAN specifically for the purposes of talking about on this board.
3,669 2017-05-26 12:33:23
Re: DC Superheroes in Film (1943 - 2024) (1,098 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I know! Informant really suffers the most of all marginalized groups in all the world, constantly having to deal with the absurd notion that people who aren't Caucasian and male are systemically and institutionally mistreated. We really must have a greater understanding of his white people burdens and how much it weighs on him heavily that there could be a women-only screening for a largely male dominated genre and, of course, his financial calculations of the economic fallout implicit in having a movie screening for women.
3,670 2017-05-26 10:40:18
Re: DC Superheroes in Film (1943 - 2024) (1,098 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Oh, what a shame that there's a space where white men aren't welcome in a world that's almost exclusively for them.
3,671 2017-05-23 15:43:38
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,573 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
And Trump revelations continue to bear an uncanny resemblance to President Lex Luthor's ousting from the White House...
3,672 2017-05-23 15:33:53
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,573 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
What exactly has Trump done that you disagree with in the slightest, given that you take no issue with Trump blurting out codeword information shared covertly and secretly from an asset that will most likely no longer trust US intelligence now that the president has established that he will brag about secret information just to impress any guests who happen to be passing through?
I ask merely for the information.
3,673 2017-05-22 19:20:21
Re: Supernatural (267 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Is it just me or did all these season-long plotlines -- Men of Letters, Lucifer's spawn, Mary's detachment -- just get resolved in a very rushed, anti-climactic way? There was no build-up, no rising action. A lot of troubling, random events followed by the hunters storming the Men of Letters installation and blowing it up. Tremendously rushed, anti-climactic deaths for two characters, one of whom didn't even appear onscreen. And before there was any time to absorb that, the nephilim is born and we only glimpse it before the season ends. This didn't feel like a season finale.
3,674 2017-05-20 07:00:33
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,573 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
If O'Keefe's targets responded with a series of contradictory denials, each more self-incriminating and ludicrous than before, I'd find O'Keefe's assertions credible as well.
3,675 2017-05-19 19:56:19
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,573 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Comey will testify publicly to the Senate, so those questions will be asked.
3,676 2017-05-19 15:32:24
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,573 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Very interesting writeup from a friend of James Comey sharing Comey's account of Trump.
https://lawfareblog.com/what-james-come … nald-trump
And Informant raises an excellent question: why should we trust the anonymous sources of the Washington Post and the New York Times? WP supported the war in Iraq with bogus information. NYT had to fire Jayson Blair. And so on.
My attitude is that the White House response to the assertions made by the anonymous sources are so incoherently self-contradictory, so reactively defensive and so quickly undermined that it makes the unattributed claims all the more credible.
Reports that Trump had fired Comey over the Russian investigation were met with Trump's surrogates saying it was due to the deputy attorney general's memo, that it had nothing to do with the investigation, that Comey's handling of the Clinton email case was poor -- only to be overturned by Trump himself declaring that he had planned to fire Comey for ages over being a "showboat" and a "grandstander" and, indeed, for the Russian investigation.
Trump claimed Comey asked to have dinner together and to keep his job at the FBI, an absurd claim as the FBI and White House traditionally stay separate. Comey had many more years left on his term of duty. Trump's ridiculous account lends greater credence to the report of Comey's memos saying that Trump insisted on their meeting to demand a loyalty pledge. The claims from the anonymous sources make coherent sense.
The White House's responses to these accusations are inconsistent, self-contradictory, overturned shortly after their delivery -- which are all the hallmarks of people running scared from the truth, grabbing whatever lie comes to mind before throwing it away in favour of another lie, ricocheting from one flimsy denial to the next. At least that's how it looks to me.
3,677 2017-05-19 14:44:48
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,573 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I have also been watching WEINER, a documentary about another crazy politician who lacked any impulse control and blew up his own life. Twice.
http://www.watchonline.red/weiner-2016-watch-online/
Retail Link: https://www.amazon.com/Weiner-Anthony/dp/B01IURTFIC
3,678 2017-05-19 14:02:31
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,573 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Informant's claims to the contrary, I find that he is primarily driven by ideology and if reports from Comey's memos and aides and friends don't fit his ideology, he will declare that they cannot be trusted even as he throws his weight behind fraudsters like James O'Keefe and empty-headed parrots like Sarah Palin and infantile oafs like Donald Trump. However, I agree with Informant that it isn't about evidence; it's about strategic advantage.
Will Republicans eventually find that their constant occupation with defending Trump makes it impossible to govern? Or does control of the Senate, Congress and the White House make having Trump's constant scandals a tolerable situation? Impeachment will come when the GOP finds that Trump's presidency makes it impossible to execute their agenda whether it's through blunders, scandals or the Mueller investigation yielding incontrovertible evidence of collusion with Russia. But so long as Republicans can pass bills and get laws signed with Trump in office, they will not support an impeachment and without their support, it's not going to happen.
3,679 2017-05-19 11:30:23
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,684 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I sometimes wonder what the difference is between being restrained and being withholding? That said, the story absolutely demanded that Harry return to Earth 2; there was no compelling reason for him to stay on Earth 1 once Zoom was defeated.
**
ARROW has had a good season as Stephen Amell was apparently successful in convincing the producers to give up on magical resurrections and telekinetic villains and return to street-level storytelling.
There's been some awkward hiccups here and there, obviously -- the Black Siren tease was misguided, Evelyn turning her back on Oliver for being a murderer and signing up with the cop-killing, innocent slaughtering Prometheus remains incomprehensible, Wild Dog giving up his daughter because he spilled soup was bizarre, Thea's absences have been oddly random -- but on the whole, it's been a really great season of moral quandaries, psychological exploration, experimental storytelling (an entire episode of Oliver being tortured! A bottle episode in the bunker! New recruits!) and a very good return to form.
3,680 2017-05-18 18:20:36
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,684 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Ah. I never watch trailers.
3,681 2017-05-18 16:41:47
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,684 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Tom Cavanagh is on contract for Season 4 and so is Candice Patton, and both were announced as being part of Season 4. But no fan of SLIDERS should take it for granted, of course, that actors will remain.
I was very happy to see Harry back this week. As enjoyable as HR is and as much as Cavanagh clearly appreciates playing something new, Cavanagh has always been best as the father figure of the series, as Professor Arturo, and turning him into Mallory this year left the show a bit unbalanced.
It looks like TF was not quite right about HR being Abra Kadabra, although there's still one episode left.
**
ARROW was good. I was surprised to see Deathstroke back and played by Manu Bennett. For the past few months, Bennett had declared that he was not returning to ARROW, that announcements by the producers were vastly overstating his involvement, that it hadn't been him in INVASION and it wouldn't be him in the ARROW Season 5 finale and that he had been greatly displeased with his last episode and that the ARROW producers were reusing previously recorded dialogue and a stunt double to have Deathstroke appear. So it was nice to see him at the end and realize Bennett had been trying not to spoil a surprise.
3,682 2017-05-17 14:29:28
Re: Personal Status Updates! (756 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
So, one of the key plot points of SLIDERS REBORN is that all these mysterious little digital clocks have been scattered across three Earths, all counting down in perfect sync, all accelerating in their countdown with each natural or sociological disaster, all thought to be counting down to the end of all things and referred to as doomsday clocks.
And the storyline for how the sliders all came back to life (a joyful timeline of wonderful adventures corrupted by cynicism and horror through the reality alterations of a malicious mad scientist) bore an uncanny resemblance to the plot of DC UNIVERSE: REBIRTH, written by Geoff Johns, where it's revealed that the current DC Universe of depression and darkness has been corrupted by the manipulations of Dr. Manhattan.
Well, the big finale for this DC superheroes vs. Dr. Manhattan storyline has been announced and the title of this Geoff Johns written story is DOOMSDAY CLOCK. I've clearly been reading comics for too long.
**
In other news, I listened to half of the latest Sliderscast and... did not finish it. It was fine, there was nothing wrong with it. It's just -- I think I may have gotten over SLIDERS.
3,683 2017-05-16 18:29:04
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (954 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
AGENTS OF SHIELD continues to impress. Mallory Jansen, who plays Agnes/Aida/Madame Hydra, is terrifying and chameleonic in these multiple roles and quite possibly the best villain of the series since Maveth. It's fascinating how Jansen can illicit sympathy while being completely contemptible. I hope they can find some way to keep her around next year even if her character doesn't remain.
3,684 2017-05-15 13:18:24
Re: Personal Status Updates! (756 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I agree. However, I must confess that I don't even have Netflix on my phone. It's always been a home theatre and tablet app for me and Android tablets aren't very prominent these days.
3,685 2017-05-14 21:16:50
Re: Personal Status Updates! (756 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Something weird happened today. My Moto G4 started showing ghost images. The status bar and the text messaging app were burned into the screen with phantom images of the keyboard, notification icons and time embedded the background over top of any app. But the burnt in image was from half an hour previous. I restarted the phone twice and it wouldn't go away. And so, as I am wont to do with many things that irk me, I froze it out -- which is to say I put the somewhat hot phone in the freezer and the ghost image was gone a half-hour later.
I think there's a weird glitch where high heat when the phone's under load and at maximum brightness causes images to briefly be retained in the display. I'm going to limit myself to 70 per cent brightness from now on, which is still pretty bright. And at least the 'burn in' isn't permanent like it'd be on a Samsung.
3,686 2017-05-14 18:44:13
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,573 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
3,687 2017-05-13 09:42:52
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,573 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I've always found Informant to be a truly peculiar character and this thread frequently emphasizes that. I used to wonder if Informant simply sides with whoever he perceives to be a figure of power, hence his uniform siding with the police and whoever held the gun in any instance of black men being brutalized and murdered.
However, the Republicans had been on the losing side for the last eight years and he supported them right to the point of declaring the barely literate Sarah Palin to be a delightfully intelligent woman, so I wonder if it's simply that he backs ideology and anyone who claims to support his views is above serious reproach even if one is an exposed fraud or a self-admitted sexual harasser and a predator of the poor.
The Republicans' party lines generally reflect his ideology that, among many other things, health care is an individual responsibility and not a right to be delivered by government. Except that's not what the Republicans are presenting either; in a post-Obamacare America, the populace views health care as a right, so the AHCA is being presented as a massive improvement in service as opposed to what it's actually been designed to do -- put the burden of health care back on the individual.
Then we get into Informant's unintelligible, inexplicable mental contortions where Donald Trump may have called his executive order a Muslim ban and confessed to sexual assault, but neither qualifies as either because Trump's words, quotes and actions shouldn't define his character and presidency in any way -- and oh, here is a heartwarming story about how Informant stood up for the rights of that half-assed doctor who was unjustly punished for letting a baby go blind.
Honestly, trying to figure Informant out is like trying to understand God; I only ever seem to drive myself crazy doing it and I'm not going to try anymore. I won't let it stop me from buying his books.
3,688 2017-05-10 19:44:17
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,684 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
After the showstopper of Savitar's reveal, this light diversion felt oddly misplaced with Savitar dumping some exposition before disappearing for an episode. The explanation for Savitar is... adequate? But it's a shame he's not a time remnant previously created on the show or a result of Flashpoint or in any way tied to the present Barry and Barry's character.
It would have worked better if this remnant had been the one who seemingly sacrificed himself to stop Zoom, alive but scarred, insane and furious at Barry having abandoned him and not even considering him real.
As for this episode -- it's an episode of THE FLASH in which Barry isn't the Flash, and I wish they would not make such episodes.
Can't really quibble with SQ21 noting all the problems in the time travel logic.
Never has TF felt more on point to say there are too many shows and too few showrunners.
3,689 2017-05-10 16:35:00
Re: American Politics: Discuss and Debate (3,573 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Sometimes, Comey was on my side and sometimes he was on the other side, but I always respected him as the last honest man in a world of liars, a man who was no one's lackey or loyalist and answered only to his own conscience -- a conscience that was, however, often marred by a rapturous overconfidence in his own self-righteousness rather than a solemn assessment of the situation. In a time of potential peace, I saw him as a dangerous figure; in the fascist nightmare that America's become, I saw him as one of the few remaining checks and balances on a corrupt and compromised administration.
Basically, I saw him the way Dean sees Crowley on SUPERNATURAL.
3,690 2017-05-10 15:52:28
Re: The X-Files (486 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I wonder how real life for the FBI will affect Mulder and Scully, although, to be blunt, Mulder and Scully and the writers ignored the FBI's mission, purpose, protocol and function so often, they might as well have been Agents Mulder and Scully of PHOENIX, KITT, UNIT, the Lightman Group, GI JOE, SHIELD or some other fictional organization.
3,691 2017-05-07 10:31:03
Re: Personal Status Updates! (756 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I'm sorry to hear this. :-(
3,692 2017-05-04 21:06:36
Re: The X-Files (486 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
3,693 2017-05-04 20:04:50
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,684 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Have they ever tried giving an explanation for how Harry and/or HR even lives on Earth 1? Does he have a fake ID? A credit card? Did/do they both live at STAR labs? Does HR have any money? It's basically a Sliders situation....he shouldn't exist.
Now that I think about it, money is never mentioned. Are Caitlin and Cisco still employed at STAR Labs? Who owns it? Did Harrison Wells leave it to one of them? And, if so, did he also leave other money? Who's financing any of this?
At least with Arrow, they've used Queen money to pay for everything. Although I have no idea whether or not Oliver has any money or if Felicity is still running PalmerTech or if any of those businesses still exist.
I find it best not to ask these questions too much, and one of the worst things about the middle seasons of ARROW was how Queen Consolidated's earnings was played as this huge deal, except when Oliver lost his company and money, he didn't seem to have any trouble finding a place to live or constantly buying gadgets and supplies.
With regards to THE FLASH, there's the unspoken sense that Eobard Thawne's future knowledge and genius and assuming the Harrison Wells identity would have meant that STAR Labs continues to generate revenue through patents. That said, THE FLASH is a show that often does not withstand the scrutiny of real world considerations. You might ask;
How did the Pipeline villains use the bathroom?
Why was STAR Labs continuing to rent a massive facility for a staff of three people and one coma patient?
Why does nobody besides Barry Allen work in the crime lab and why did no one make use of the lab in Barry's year-long coma?
Why is Barry even allowed to work as a forensic scientist when, having recovered from a coma, he would have to pass a battery of psych and physical tests or risk his evidence being dismissed as unreliable in court?
Why does Barry lack a department head or supervisor at the police station?
Why did Barry never seem to go home in Season 1? Where was he sleeping?
The answer to all of the above, of course, is that THE FLASH is a fantasy adventure series.
3,694 2017-05-04 17:38:22
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,684 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
"I am the future Flash." What a great reveal! It makes no sense whatsoever in terms of what we know so far -- are we really to believe that any version of Barry Allen in any time or place would kill Iris? But it's still a great line.
3,695 2017-05-04 17:36:27
Re: The X-Files (486 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
The only concrete piece of info I have about this upcoming story arc -- it involves aliens having infiltrated the Trump administration.
Chris Carter isn't really involved in the comics. For the comic book SEASON 10, Carter consulted on the first five issues. Writer Joe Harris wanted the villain of SEASON 10 to be a teenaged William with telekinetic and psychic powers, taking control of the Colonists and Rebels with a new faction called the Believers. But Carter vetoed this, saying he wanted William saved for THE X-FILES III if it ever happened.
Carter also provided some guidance so that Harris could steer clear of any plots that would contradict a future feature film finale. But we got a TV series instead, Carter had a different vision for THE X-FILES on TV and the comics became part of an alternate universe that wrapped up (somewhat abruptly) before the comics shifted to the Revival universe (with the same writer). While Carter's name is on the covers and he has an Executive Producer credit and he reads the comic scripts, he's not driving it creatively.
Anyway. Joe Harris and I are of very similar mindsets politically and creatively -- his X-FILES comics are essentially the X-FILES version of SLIDERS REBORN (obsessive love letters to the legacy and history of an unfinished TV show), right to the point of using the same title in our stories where icons of 90s sci-fi TV take on Donald Trump.
So, keeping with that, I imagine a situation where Mulder's old friend, Senator Matheson, recruits Mulder and Scully to investigate potential sleeper agents in the White House administration. It's revealed that the sleepers are actually the fire aliens introduced in THE X-FILES #1 (2017) that have been taking over human hosts for some unknown endgame, and Mulder and Scully find themselves forced to protect Trump and his staff from an enemy only they can fight, wrestling with the conflicts between their beliefs and their duty.
Continuing with the conceit that Harris and I think the same, I'd never have the sliders -- or Mulder and Scully -- defeat Donald Trump. In fact, I think it would be critical that Quinn, Mulder and Scully end completely beaten but score some sort of symbolic, moral victory.
3,696 2017-05-04 04:42:56
Re: The X-Files (486 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Well, it's happening. Currently, it looks like FOX is renegotiating the comics licence with IDW and this five issue arc is conceivably the final set of TXF comics from this publisher.
3,697 2017-05-03 20:15:40
Re: The X-Files (486 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Joe Harris, who writes the X-FILES comics, recently revealed in a podcast that his next story arc will be Mulder and Scully taking on the Trump administration in a storyline entitled "Resistance." The synchronicity is hilarious.
The Christmas Special of 2016 also had Mulder remarking grimly on how he often had dreams of a "debunked, disavowed, disallowed alien invasion plot that never came to pass," a delightfully wry line of dialogue commenting on the massive retcon of "My Struggle."
3,698 2017-05-03 18:49:16
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,684 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I honestly can't wrap my head around the reveal because I don't understand why Savitar would or could kill Iris. I'll have to see how it's explained, because I also ruled out Jay being Zoom based on how they'd been seen together.
3,699 2017-04-30 17:19:04
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (954 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Ward was severely abused by his parents and older brother, and the latter forced Ward to beat up the youngest of the brothers, Thomas, and leave Thomas to nearly drown in a well. Ward was later sent to a brutal boarding school after he began openly defying his parents. One night, Ward escaped the school and attempted to burn down his family home with his parents and older brother inside, enraged at their treatment of him and Thomas.
The parents and brother escaped and Ward was arrested and tried as an adult until Garrett (Bill Paxton) broke him out. He then left the teenaged Ward alone in the wilderness with no supplies or equipment for six months and Ward nearly froze and starved until he taught himself to hunt and build shelter. Garrett refined Ward's survival skills and emotional detachment while inducing Ward's loyalty to Garrett by Garrett being the person who gave Ward his freedom and the only one who saw his value, and Garrett joined HYDRA and had Ward do the same, not because they subscribed to HYDRA but because Garrett sought revenge on SHIELD and Ward was obedient to Garrett.
After Garrett is killed and Ward's treachery is revealed, he initially insists that he's still part of Coulson's team and loyal to Daisy, offering them intel and insisting he'd never have harmed the team. But his injuring Fitz and murdering Victoria Hand proves unforgivable and Coulson decides to hand Ward over to Ward's abusive older brother, now a senator, in exchange for cooperation and access. Enraged, Ward escapes custody, kidnaps his brother and forces him to confess his abuse, at which point Ward ties his brother and parents up in their house and burns it down, this time succeeding in murdering his family.
Then Ward joins HYDRA as a sting to aid Daisy in finding her missing father, declaring his loyalty to her and Coulson's team again, but Daisy shoots Ward the first chance she gets and Ward realizes he has no hope. Ward falls in with a disavowed SHIELD agent, Kara, and inducts the traumatized former agent into his soldier and falls in love with her, only to accidentally kill her when setting a trap for SHIELD.
Blaming SHIELD, Ward reforms HYDRA and goes into open warfare, murdering Coulson's new girlfriend. Coulson begins a thorough analysis on Ward and determines that all of Ward's actions are a sick attempt to justify his past and blame others for his actions while claiming he alone acted correctly -- and Coulson locates Ward's younger brother, Thomas, who calls Ward and declares him a monster, saying Ward had no need to murder their parents and brother, that they could have moved on from their abuse, but Ward uses it as an excuse to act out his bloodlust and sadism. Ward's emotional breakdown allows Coulson to trace his location and kill him.
So... what it comes down to is that Ward was defined by his loyalties. Garrett encouraged Ward's anger and bitterness towards his family and, by extension, anyone in his way. Hand apparently encouraged Ward to leave his past behind. Ward's loyalty, in the Framework timeline, saw him build a new life and find new purpose whereas in the real world, he never cast away his demons.
3,700 2017-04-30 15:50:24
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (954 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Daisy trusts Frameward. That said, it's a moot point -- Jed Whedon addressed the question and says that the Framework will not be used to bring Ward back as a regular character. It seems his appearance in the Framework was simply to deepen our understanding of the real Ward and realize that he could have been a hero if he'd had the right influence.
3,701 2017-04-28 22:34:50
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (954 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
While I understand the view that some characters run their course, surely a television show should be designed to carry on with its core cast indefinitely. And surely writers working on a TV show should be able to keep their cast and characters a going concern because if they can't, why are they working in TV in the first place? That's the format of serial fiction whether it's a five to ten season show or a comic book that's run since 1962. That's the job.
I never hear Spider-Man and Batman writers saying there aren't any stories left to tell with their leads and if they did, are Spidey and Batman the problem? Or is it the writers?
A TV writer saying they can't come up with new stories for a TV character is like a truck driver complaining they hate long drives.
3,702 2017-04-28 19:52:28
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,684 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Dear God, Future Barry has my haircut.
3,703 2017-04-28 18:44:28
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (954 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
There was a time when I thought like you did -- that Sylar was a played out character that the writers were burdened with, that the character was a serious problem -- but now I think that's total BS. At the end of the day, the character is a fictional construct and all the choices and consideration and planning is being carried out not by a character, but by the writers. Which leads me to my position that the problem was not the character as much as the choices made by the writers controlling him. Volume 1 established Sylar as a serial killer. Volume 2 was a replay of his Season 1 arc except he had no powers which stretched out his story while contributing nothing new.
Volume 3 toyed with the idea of making Sylar a hero, then abruptly abandoned it and reverted back to the Volume 1 playbook. Volume 4 actually found a new angle: Sylar joined the government task force to hunt evolved humans, and you can tell that it's the Volume for which Volume 1 writer Bryan Fuller returned. Volume 4 created a Sylar who was the devil in Nathan's persona, then created an amnesiac Sylar, then reverted back to the Volume 1 playbook, then took away his ability to kill and have him live out decades in a dreamworld in which he changed... but we didn't get any further development and Tim Kring's interviews indicated he would have made Sylar villainous again in Volume 5 had he returned.
So, the problem isn't the character; it's that despite raising numerous avenues of development, the writers reverted back to the original template over and over again.
I don't see that problem with Grant Ward; he was killed off in Season 3 and the actor stayed on playing a different character who'd possessed Ward's body. Frameward, as Reddit seems to have dubbed him, is another new angle: this is the same character with the same sense of loyalty, except in this reality, his loyalty was to Victoria Hand and then the Skye/Daisy, so Frameward was never twisted into a detached killer constantly engaging in sick and bloody efforts to justify murder after murder after murder. This is something new, something they can continue develop, and AGENTS OF SHIELD has shown that it's willing to reinvent its playbook every season has reinvented itself three times alone this season.
It's funny, though, to see a fan of SLIDERS protesting a show being able to retain its cast. ;-)
3,704 2017-04-27 22:02:59
Re: Personal Status Updates! (756 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
The Sony LCD screen is good enough. Well saturated, high contrast, extremely bright at 530 nits. But it's not an AMOLED and while I liked the AMOLED display on the S3 (black is just a switched off pixel, rich colours), I'm kind of over them. The burn-in on AMOLED is hideous; I had ghost images of my keyboard and status bar seared into my screen after a few months. I did buy the S3 a few more times and I had to install a custom ROM to hide the status bar because Samsung permits you no option for that. I also had to run a screensaver sort of app once a week for several hours to flash red, green and blue screens to make sure any burn-in could be avoided through 'exercising' all the pixels.
While I miss the higher contrast now that I'm on a Moto G4 and I especially miss reading ebooks with white text on a totally black background, I don't miss (a) not having a status bar (b) fretting that an overly long Google Maps-guided journey would burn the navigation app into the screen (c) running the screensaver every week. It was a lot of work.
I don't really like carrier phones; I don't like all the bloatware. But to me, I tend to root the phone and remove all the bloatware anyway. I don't like it that carriers install all this space-consuming rubbish for their own commercial concerns when apps are getting bigger and bigger. That said, it's less of an issue with Android 6.0 and onward having the option to merge the internal memory with a microSD card -- except Samsung disables that option in their version of Android.
The NES Classic-propelled fundraising is very impressive, that's a highly in demand product.
3,705 2017-04-26 20:52:08
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (954 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
AGENTS OF SHIELD continues to impress with a story that shouldn't work. The Framework is a simulated dreamworld, so why should what happens in a dreamworld matter in the slightest? But the AGENTS OF HYDRA arc has found all sorts of ways to make it immersive, first through the disorientation of Daisy waking up as an agent of HYDRA and Simmons having to dig out of her own grave to find herself in a hellish dystopia. Then there's the history of this simulated reality where the regrets each character had cost them the strength, honour and compassion they would have otherwise had to defeat HYDRA.
There's also the sense that the Framework reality is not a simulation even if AIDA and Radcliffe may have programmed it, first indicated by Fitz being a sadistic monstrosity whose memories cannot be unlocked, then by the Grant Ward revealed as a hero with his alternate history being that Victoria Hand was his SHIELD recruiter instead of John Garrett -- these potentialities are not a video game but a genuine path not taken that, while having only simulative form in the Framework, may gain reality in our world through Project Looking Glass.
Despite the fact that the Framework isn't real, there's been such beautiful poignancy and horror. There's Fitz's increased depravity as his love for his father and AIDA are used to transform him into a psychopath. There's Grant Ward apologizing for what his counterpart may have done and Daisy realizing that the self-justifying villain who deluded himself that he was a hero could've actually been one had Garrett never gotten to him. There's Coulson seeming more natural as a schoolteacher than a secret agent before embracing his secret agent identity. There's the grief of Mace's sacrifice in a world that isn't real.
It's beautiful.
3,706 2017-04-26 17:40:09
Re: Personal Status Updates! (756 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I have never done this and would never countenance doing it -- but have you thought about going on one of those two year payment plans where you pay your $850 in installments? The reason I would never advise this: I imagine it would be deeply depressing to lose the device and still be paying for it years after it's left you and your life.
But if you want a big screen phone that feels borderless, I say get the Sony Xperia Ultra for $300 and tell me if it's any good.
https://www.amazon.com/Sony-Xperia-unlo … B01FJT7E4Q
3,707 2017-04-24 19:24:20
Re: Star Wars: Movies and Shows on Disney+ and More (330 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I'd reshoot the ending to VIII. I'm assuming there's a time where Leia is in danger and doesn't die. I'd reshoot it where she does die. CG, body double, the ship she's on exploding...something. I think her dying offscreen is just wrong, and if she's going to die, it should be in one of the movies.
Hmmm, yes.
3,708 2017-04-20 22:48:02
Re: The X-Files (486 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Did anyone seriously believe this wasn't coming? I can't speak to the quality of the episodes coming (although them being largely standalone is guaranteed if Chris Carter is running the show), but as long as there is money to be made, THE X-FILES will return. This isn't like the Sci-Fi Channel's pathetic incompetence where they cancelled their own highest rated series.
3,709 2017-04-19 18:55:42
Re: SlidersCast: Rewatching the show one podcast at a time (51 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I'll leave it up to SlidersCast to post it -- honestly, it doesn't matter. What's really important is that Jim take good care of himself and regain his health, and if in the course of long term chronic illness, a plug is forgotten or a voicemail is lost, well, it's hardly life or death.
3,710 2017-04-17 19:31:43
Re: Star Wars: Movies and Shows on Disney+ and More (330 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
This is just my personal approach -- for me, the prequels are not canon because they're hopelessly in opposition to the original trilogy. Saying Leia didn't train to become a ghost and wouldn't become one ignores how Vader didn't train to bcome a ghost either, and here is no reconciling the discrepancy, just as there is no explaining how Leia remembers her mother in ROTJ but is shown to be adopted at birth in ROTS. The prequels are not a viable source and the two Disney SW films have, aside from using some of the actors, largely stepped away from them, treating them almost like the novels, comics and video games that were relabelled under the LEGENDS brand.
3,711 2017-04-17 14:42:25
Re: Star Wars: Movies and Shows on Disney+ and More (330 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
JJ Abrams says she didn't train and that he doesn't consider her to be a Jedi in THE FORCE AWAKENS, but she clearly remains Force sensitive. I don't think Anakin ever trained to become a Force ghost, but he appears at the end of RETURN OF THE JEDI, so there's some wiggle room, but Lucas deciding in the prequels that not all Jedi bodies fade into the Force does allow an explanation for Leia's ghost to be a no-show in EPISODE IX. The truth is that the prequels are not a particularly helpful source of information as their information is regularly at odds with the original trilogy from details (all Jedi inexplicably dress in Tatooine desert outfits) to large strokes (the arcane religious order of the Jedi served as leading political figures in the Republic?). There's no squaring those circles.
3,712 2017-04-16 21:28:34
Re: Star Wars: Movies and Shows on Disney+ and More (330 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Leia is a Jedi, which introduces another wrinkle in Carrie Fisher's death as Obi-Wan, Yoda, Anakin and Qui-Gon were Force ghosts. Will they have to find some way to explain why she doesn't appear as a ghost? Even Alec Guinness appeared in THE FORCE AWAKENS despite being dead.
3,713 2017-04-15 22:08:43
Re: Star Wars: Movies and Shows on Disney+ and More (330 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I do think there's a certain courage in refusing to make Episode IX by pretending that Carrie Fisher isn't dead, accepting that reality and trying to work with it?
The CG Tarkin and Leia in Rogue One were necessary for telling the story of the Death Star and leading into A New Hope, but if not for that narrative purpose, they probably wouldn't have done it.
3,714 2017-04-15 12:20:57
Re: Star Wars: Movies and Shows on Disney+ and More (330 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
So... Carrie Fisher isn't going to appear in EPISODE IX in any form; not in repurposed outtakes. Not as a digital character. On one level, it really sucks. On another, death always sucks, so if the production can find some way to mine Fisher's absence and make the audience feel it in a way that serves the film as opposed to detracting from it, it could work. Maybe EPISODE IX could be set after a large time gap from EPISODE VIII in which Leia died.
3,715 2017-04-14 18:02:50
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (954 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
We don't talk about it much, but I think Agents of Shield has really found its footing. I actually look forward to watching it each week, and I think it's a lot of fun. It's annoying that the movies don't care about it, and it's crazy that AoS takes place in the same universe as Daredevil. But for what it is, I think it's a lot of fun. Ghost Rider was a fun story, LMD was zany but allowed for some great character work, and I think Agents of Hydra will be pretty cool too.
Bringing back (spoiler) is upsetting, but hopefully they do it right.
I haven't watched the show in months. I started this season watching, but eventually forgot to watch and didn't care. Then I went and watched an episode and it just seemed stupid, so I never went back. I never got past the Ghost Rider story.
I don't really know how to describe AGENTS OF SHIELD, and every time I try, I ramble endlessly. I think the best way I have to explain the show is that it has constantly reinvented itself with each season and with Season 4, they did the annual reinvention early, in the middle of the season, wrapping up the Ghost Rider arc and shifting into the artificial intelligence war.
Season 1 was the children's version of a spy show and the series only seemed to find its footing when SHIELD was destroyed and the agents were made fugitives and outsiders which is a more Marvel-approach than having them as agents of the establishment. Season 2 were the agents trying to do their jobs when it wasn't their job anymore and it set up the Inhuman arc of Season 3 which did a really neat job of finally creating Inhumans to truly represent the best Marvel characters as misfits and freaks.
With Season 2, there was a cinematic, crisp, fast-paced approach to the show with tight editing and a snappy sense of rhythm. The series also pushed the actors to their limits with Clark Gregg, Chloe Bennett, Elizabeth Henstridge and Iain De Caestecker playing characters who were increasingly strained and maddened and pushed to their limits. And Brett Dalton as Grant Ward found deeper and more disturbing layers of horror and twisted monstrosity in a character who initially seemed incredibly bland and flat. The Ghost Rider arc was very fulfilling and exiting. The AI war has really grabbed me with the nightmarish Framework environment.
But I honestly can't point to any coherent throughline or central purpose to the series beyond being an exciting, PG-13 espionage series in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It isn't a film noir adventure like DAREDEVIL; it's not a detective drama like JESSICA JONES; it's not a street-level exercise in atmosphere like LUKE CAGE; it's not a goofy space comedy like GUARDIANS and it's not a charming character piece like ANT MAN. It was a supernatural procedural thriller in the Ghost Rider arc and it's currently a techno-action spy adventure. Who knows what it'll be next week?
3,716 2017-04-14 16:51:54
Re: Star Wars: Movies and Shows on Disney+ and More (330 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Looks like reports of EPISODE IX using Carrie Fisher's outtakes were greatly exaggerated.
3,717 2017-04-14 16:09:00
Re: Star Wars: Movies and Shows on Disney+ and More (330 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Looks like they're taking the Slider_Quinn21 approach.
Just watched ROGUE ONE and I think it may have played better for people with a reverent, all-consuming love for STAR WARS: A NEW HOPE. For me, it was a lot of careful and precise callbacks and references to a film I like well enough and respect for its role in history, but I guess I'm not *that* huge a STAR WARS fan. Even stuff like the way the ROGUE ONE ending leads directly into A NEW HOPE didn't give me the same sense of myth and awe as, say, the STAR TREK novel where Kirk in the 24th century says he needs to compare notes with Sisko on time travel someday.
I think the problem is probably that to me, an attempt to pastiche the 1977 film and to understandably do so without Luke, Han and Leia just didn't really connect for me; I'm more into characters than the era or even the cinematic style which, while groundbreaking in 1977, is pretty standard today.
3,718 2017-04-11 15:40:13
Re: The X-Files (486 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Informant, Slider_Quinn21, RussianCabbie, Grizzlor -- I am mildly irked by your posts in this thread regarding the audiobooks. I spend a lot of time crafting my contributions to this Bboard, many of which were in this thread regarding the IDW published Season 10 - 11 comics. The audiobooks have been announced as adaptations of the SEASON 10 - 11 comics on which I wrote extensively. Despite this, none of you seem to know anything about them even though I've described them in lavish detail in previous posts in this thread.
I am fractionally upset to the point where I shall refuse to talk to any of you ever again for the next thirty seconds or so.
..............................
Alrighty then. So, the comic book SEASON 10 - 11 are being adapted into audio productions with the banner title of COLD CASES with the actual actors. This is both interesting and confusing in that the IDW comic books and the FOX revival are completely irreconcilable, yet the press release is presenting COLD CASES as set between I WANT TO BELIEVE and the Revival.
From a continuity standpoint, that's impossible. SEASON 10 had Mulder and Scully rejoining the FBI in 2013; the Revival had them rejoining in 2015 with no reference to an earlier and abortive return to the FBI. SEASON 10 had Mulder and Scully as a settled, permanent couple; the Revival shows them having broken up. SEASON 10 has Mulder and Scully discovering that William Mulder has gone missing and his foster parents have been murdered; the Revival has them believing William is safe. SEASON 10 has promoted Skinner to Deputy Director; the Revival has Skinner still an Assistant Director. SEASON 10 has Mulder and Scully reopening the X-Files in 2013; the Revival has Skinner saying nobody's been in the Basement since the show got cancelled.
The main discrepancy: SEASON 10 treats Colonization as genuine. The 2012 invasion doesn't seem to have happened, but the comics indicate that the invasion has been delayed due to different alien factions warring over who will dominate the Earth. The faceless rebels return; there's buried spaceships, the black oil makes a comeback.
Confirming the Colonization plot is also the revelation that all Syndicate members periodically had their memories and personalities copied into clone bodies to carry on their work should the originals be killed, and a mysterious figure creates a new Syndicate comprised clones of all the deceased members, including the Cigarette Smoking Man. This is impossible to fit with the Revival's reveal that Colonization was a hoax to distract from the Smoking Man's Spartan Virus endgame. In fact, when reading the comics, one gets the sense that the Revival is set in an alternate continuity and it's the comics that take place in the TV show's universe.
This sense that the Revival is not set in the same reality as the original TV show is further deepened in the SEASON 11 finale: Mulder and the mystery man, revealed to be a now adult Gibson Praise, confront each other in the desert. It's revealed that Gibson has distributed the alien-repelling magnetite mineral throughout the Earth, making the planet a decidedly inhospitable place for the Colonists. As a spaceship comes at Gibson's beckoning, reality is briefly ripped open and Mulder sees a glimpse of alternate universes -- and one glimpse shows Scully with her Revival hairstyle and Mulder in his "My Struggle" costume -- determinedly separating the continuity of the comics and the TV show as taking place on parallel tracks.
I really don't know how an adaptation of SEASON 10 and SEASON 11's comic books can serve as a middle chapter that bridges I WANT TO BELIEVE and the Revival. SEASONS 10 - 11 end by declaring themselves apocryphal and offering a gentle finale to the alien myth-arc. That said, audiobook director Dirk Maggs has a history of adapting what seems initially unadaptable. The HITCHHIKER'S GUIDE radio series had finished two seasons and ended on a cliffhanger where Arthur Dent discovers that his friend, Zaphod, had allowed Earth to be destroyed. Arthur stole Zaphod's ship and vowed revenge. The novels, however, had adopted the material from the radio show and then gone well past it with original material that didn't incorporate this revelation or cliffhanger. And then Maggs was hired to do a radio series that would adapt the latter books into the radio format despite the mismatch.
Maggs, clumsily but perhaps unavoidably, declared that the cliffhanger had been a bad dream. In addition, the fifth and final book of the series, MOSTLY HARMLESS, ended on another cliffhanger where most of the characters were killed off and the author died before he could finish it. Maggs adapted MOSTLY HARMLESS faithfully but with an additional end-scene where the characters were shown to have survived.
So, could Maggs do something similar and retrofit his adaptation of SEASON 10 and SEASON 11 for an in-continuity approach? I don't know, because the problem isn't really the comics; if anything, it's the TV Revival that's out of step with continuity. However, SEASON 11's final issue ended the storyline with a reality warping event caused by an alien spacecraft, so I guess Maggs could alter the story to have reality rewritten with the aliens retroactively having never existed and the stage cleared for the Revival storyline... ?
3,719 2017-04-09 08:34:21
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,684 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I think that the LEGENDS showrunners are good -- they both ran CHUCK well -- but on LEGENDS, they don't seem to have been given the authority to fully manage the show. Articles suggest that the executive producers of ARROW and FLASH are doing the same job on LEGENDS except where they are fully developing and reviewing scripts for ARROW and FLASH, they are much more removed from LEGENDS scripting process while still needing to revise and approve each script, and possibly not giving LEGENDS their full attention.
With SUPERGIRL, the lead showrunner is clearly Ali Adler with the ARROW/FLASH producers overseeing but not managing. With LEGENDS -- it's like the show doesn't have a full time story editor and it really shows.
3,720 2017-04-08 05:18:20
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,684 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I can't really quibble with ANY of Slider_Quinn21's thoughts on LEGENDS. Of all the CW superhero shows, LEGENDS has the least amount of logic to it and the greatest amount of odd narrative errors and unjustified leaps. In Season 1, Hawkgirl got stranded in the past with Ray Palmer and an episode later, it might as well have never happened; in the finale, Hawkgirl got stranded again and randomly found a helmet that she inexplicably knew to be in Rip's possession in the future and used it to plant a message despite the helmet having never been previously introduced onscreen. LEGENDS does not setup its payoffs well and often fails to pay off its setups.
I've written an explanation for Eobard's place in continuity (it's post-Season 1 of THE FLASH) -- http://sliders.tv/bboard/viewtopic.php?pid=5394#p5394 -- but even that explanation notes that the dialogue where Eobard refers to the Season 1 finale and the Season 3 premiere was incorrectly written, an error that the writers missed.
With Season 2, we have Mick betraying the Legends with almost no consequence; after punching him a few times, the Legends once again fight alongside him and there is no consideration to Mick's role on the team and they continue to treat him as their personal attack dog while Mick's loyalties remain questionable. It might as well have never happened. There's mismatched scenes in sequence throughout Season 2 such as the Legends inexplicably letting Rip Hunter get captured and proceeding to kick back with a STAR WARS marathon rather than scouring all reality for their captured friend.
There's a lot of joy and enthusiasm to LEGENDS, but also a bizarre sense that scripts are not being properly reviewed before filming. No show is devoid of error, but the errors on LEGENDS are so obvious. Even if LEGENDS couldn't fit the casts of ARROW and FLASH into Doomworld and needed the LEGENDS cast kept intact, some brief explanation was needed as to why Eobard Thawne kills Barry Allen but spares the Legends or why the WWII time period was left intact for a second effort to regain the Spear.
DOCTOR WHO would have thrown out a quick explanation that the Legion of Doom has never really taken the Legends seriously as a threat and consider them the misfits and rejects compared to the ARROW and FLASH teams and said something about the WWII episode being a fixed point in time needed to anchor the Doomworld reality. LEGENDS doesn't even try.
One gets the sense the DC TV staff need to hire more producers; there are too few people being stretched too thin across ARROW, FLASH, SUPERGIRL and LEGENDS.