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So, I think a sufficient interval has passed that I can talk about the "Revolution" script and my anxieties over it in the hopes that Informant will tell me what's what.

I feel confident that Parts 1 - 4 of SLIDERS REBORN are a good media tie-in product for the fans. I am less certain about Part 5, "Revolution," because while I put a lot of heart and thought and love into it, I'm not convinced it worked.

The main problem: Mallory is very difficult to write and this character (as opposed to the actor) doesn't belong in SLIDERS REBORN. Originally, REBORN was just going to be the original sliders. But when writing Part 2, the opportunity to use doubles of previously seen guest-stars in supporting roles brought a lot of warmth and charm to the script and this led to realizing that Maggie Beckett could be effective in Part 3, because if you need an action girl, why create a new one when one already exists? Then came the need for a lady scientist in Part 5 that was filled by Diana Davis and omitting Mallory started to seem like it was unfair to Robert Floyd.

Which is stupid. This isn't really being filmed. But it bothered me. Rob worked really hard on the Mallory character. The character was a disastrous failure. None of that is Rob's fault: he studied Jerry O'Connell's acting, he hired an acting coach to help him turn mimicry into an identity crisis, he created a note-perfect recreation of Jerry's voice that would be a performance as well as a tribute -- and when fans told lies about him demanding the end of "New Gods for Old" or blamed him for the cancellation, he bore it gracefully and he was willing to do an hour-long EP.COM interview regarding a job he held for one year over a decade and a half ago.

When Rob received strong material like stealing Maggie's toothbrush or impersonating an orderly or finding allies in rogue journalists or having heartfelt scenes with Amanda Mallory, he shined. Mallory's flaws aren't Rob's. If SLIDERS REBORN is meant to be a celebration of everything great about SLIDERS, then Rob Floyd's omission would be an unacceptable insult.

Even more insulting, however, would be to give Mallory a role that would only reiterate the problem with this character: he's only there because Quinn isn't and a SLIDERS story with Quinn has no use for Mallory whatsoever -- because then I'd be saying the same thing about Rob. And that's not true. I would have loved for Robert Floyd to have played Quinn from the Pilot to the end of the show and I think he would have been superb.

He kept the spirit of Quinn alive as best he could. He honoured a wonderful creation, playing Quinn's inner strength, scientific brilliance and the heavy burden of his knowledge. He honoured SLIDERS. So SLIDERS REBORN needed to honour him. Except REBORN established in Part 1 that all of Quinn's doubles were erased, so how could Mallory even appear?

The main ingredients for any REBORN tale featuring Mallory, I felt: first, Quinn and Mallory should share scenes together to highlight what makes them unique. Second: Mallory should save Quinn's life somehow. I decided that Mallory's main gift is that he reads people and details very well -- a character trait that was not exactly consistent in Season 5, but prominent in "A Current Affair" where he wins Matt Drudge's allegiance and "Map of the Mind" where he convinces the asylum staff that he works there -- whereas Quinn is not quite as insightful when it comes to human nature.

I imagined a situation where Quinn is trapped in a room filling with poisonous gas, dying, hallucinating from the poison -- and then hallucinating Mallory, who helps him find some tiny detail that lets him escape -- like helping Quinn realize a secondary character is, for some character-oriented reason, always carrying a matchbook and the matches can be used to ignite the gas and blast through the walls and vent the gas.

And then came the questions. Where is this room? What is this gas? Who created this gas? What's it for? Why does Quinn, an experienced slider who is as slippery as an eel, need Mallory to show him the path to survival? The room is in a house?

The gas is a drug designed by a depressive who is dying of a terminal illness and seeking relief. Quinn is depressed over the multiverse being damaged and something this character said to him that made him lose all hope for the future. But what could a guest-character possibly say to instantly crush Quinn's spirit and why would this guest-character have this peculiar gas?

Matt wondered: why would Quinn hallucinate Mallory? Wouldn't he hallucinate Colin? I decided to highlight how Mallory literally knows Quinn inside out -- and the plot came together (as much as it would, anyway) when I remembered "Obsession" and how the return of a psychic from that episode would justify all the absurd plot devices needed to get Mallory and Quinn in the same room together with the gas being the hallucinogen from "The Dream Masters" and combining that with the VR machine of "Virtual Slide" and the cryogenics of "O Brother" and" The Chasm" could justify the resulting apparatus: an afterlife machine that creates ideal dream-state fantasies for the dying.

At the scripting stage, depending on plot devices from previous episodes of SLIDERS to justify "Revolution"'s oddities only seemed to make them odder. Seeing no way to back out, I turned into the swerve by having Mallory bring about Quinn's turnaround through flashbacks to previous episodes. At various points in the script, I found myself unable to keep the surreal tone of the script intact without making it confusing and I decided that confusion wasn't worth it.

I sent the script to Robert Floyd. I didn't think he would actually read it -- but I wanted him to have it as a keepsake -- something to print and keep on a shelf. And I wanted him to have his face at the top of the SLIDERS REBORN page for a few months. To recognize his contributions to the series, to the fans, to Quinn Mallory and to make it clear that he mattered and he counted and he was part of the SLIDERS family. This is fantasy franchise management at its most delusional, I'm sure.

He told me how touched he was at this tribute. I haven't heard from him about it since -- I assume, because this script was an incomprehensible monstrosity that only nerds can understand.

Ultimately, I did something that writers should not do -- I forced REBORN to use plot elements that don't function naturally in the series so that I could include a character who doesn't have an organic function in REBORN -- because I liked the actor who played him and I had to do this for him.

I know that it was just a job to him. One he held for a year over a decade ago. A job he has surpassed and left behind with many achievements since then. But nobody expected him to bring the level of performance that he did to Season 5 -- he could have phoned it in, but he was a professional who did a professional's job -- a detailed, skillful, attentive, wonderful job. People who go the extra mile deserve to be recognized.

But maybe they deserve a better script than I could offer. I don't know. I'm too close to this to tell if it's good, bad or just mediocre at this point. I did what I had to do. Maybe the best thing to do is to make sure the sixth and final script the best it can be.

This is yet another exercise in taking fan fiction way too seriously, I'm sure. I don't know what to think anymore. Informant, you tell me what to think.

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I keep trying to run Android apps on my Windows 10 tablet. It's stupid. Bluestacks is slow. DuOS is slow. Remix OS has no touchscreen support. Arc Welder's converted apps don't load. I really need to leave myself a note that trying to run Android on a Windows machine is an exercise in futility and that if I wanted a god-damn Android tablet, I would have bought one -- or not sold off/returned all the ones I ever had to begin with. I think it's just because Chrome apps have been so terrific at filling in the void of Windows 10 apps that I wondered if Android apps could do the same as well. It's silly.

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So, on the subject of how big changes to iconic characters always get rolled back --

There are two weird exceptions: Dick Grayson and Superman. Having gone on a long explanation of why replacing cultural icons never works (movies and TV will use the most popular default) -- the world at large knows Dick Grayson to be Robin, yet he's been Nightwing for decades and we've cycled through Jason Todd, Tim Drake and Damian Wayne.

Why is that? I suspect that, very simply, BATMAN comics have generally sold really well. With comics like GREEN LANTERN, THE FLASH and SPIDER-MAN, sales initially jumped when Hal Jordan, Barry Allen, Oliver Queen and Peter Parker were replaced, but sales eventually hit a catastrophically low point where drastic action was needed and the course of action chosen was to hit the reset button HARD.

I guess BATMAN comics have never been in that sort of sales crisis. Even people who don't like superhero comics tend to find something in BATMAN to enjoy.

Kyle Rayner and Wally West actually sold quite well, Kyle for a decade and Wally for two -- but they were hit by the gradual softening of the comics market over time and the need to make an event of Hal and Barry return and give sales a jolt. I don't remember where Oliver Queen's sales were when he was killed off and replaced with Connor Hawke, but anecdotally, GREEN ARROW was barely on anyone's radar until Kevin Smith resurrected Oliver and turned GREEN ARROW into a big hit again. (Take the last one with a grain of salt.)

For Batman, there's never been a desperate need to go back to basics because none of the changes to Batman's mythos prevented writers from having Batman solve murders in Gotham City. Also, any writers who wanted to write Bruce and Dick stories could do so because he was still around.

It's weird because Dick Grayson himself is not the most interesting character, and I say that as someone who reads NIGHTWING religiously. Dick's been written by brilliant writers and drawn by superb artists who created hyperkinetic experiences of John Woo-esque ballet using Dick's acrobatic skills to showcase his circus background.

He's been put in interesting situations like when he became Batman and had to mentor a homicidal 10-year-old as the new Robin and found himself struggling to impersonate his mentor. But the character is so well-adjusted, so stable, so confident that he needs to be written by a writer with a vivid and distinct style to make up for Dick's lack of vivid distinctiveness.

With Superman -- I have no idea why the rollback was rolled back where the late-thirties, married Superman, post-reboot, become a mid-twenties bachelor.

ACTION COMICS retells the origin of Superman in 18 issues -- but with a ridiculous EIGHT different artists, all with completely opposing styles within the same individual issues -- so the art shifts from loose cartoonism to crisp photo-realism to motion-oriented exaggeration and back and forth and back and forth, often within the same scenes.

There's a decent script underneath the visual confusion of an urban vigilante Superman and a slum-dwelling Clark Kent growing in power and responsibility, but it's unreadable.

SUPERMAN, set five years after the origin story, has five different writers over the course of its first 31 issues and is a mess of directions that start and then abruptly disappear in the confusion of a rotating door of writers each of whom start stories they can't seem to finish. Clark becomes disenchanted with journalism, quits the Daily Planet, becomes a blogger -- but that plot gets sidetracked with alien invasions and crossovers with SUPERGIRL and SUPERBOY.

The crossovers themselves are halfway intriguing -- a Kryptonian seeks to destroy the Earth to create fuel for a time machine to undo the destruction of Krypton. Superman is infected by a virus that transforms him into the Doomsday monster. But with five or six writers writing each crossover, the stories become an exercise in each writer writing some variant on almost indistinguishible action sequences over and over again until it's around 25 - 30 issues of motionless stalling.

It's quite clear that SUPERMAN editorial could not get their act together: hiring creators to make bold choices, second-guessing those choices, creators quitting, eventually resorting to clumsy crossovers to boost sales. There is no sense of what Superman represents or any noteworthy style, voice, perspective, insight or deeper meaning -- any writer who brought any to the table got frustrated and took it away with them.

The best that can be said of the later crossovers is that the SUPERMAN editorial office worked out how to get multi-artist books to look good. They hired artists within the same range -- mostly loose-lined, motion-oriented exaggeration -- and made sure that the colourists could keep the pages consistent enough that it wasn't jarring. Why this skillful planning was missing from ACTION COMICS is beyond me.

That said, JUSTICE LEAGUE, after an incoherent opening arc, seemed to find its feet with the distinct personalities of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Aquaman, the Flash and Cyborg bouncing off each other. Superman was a strong presence and his romance with Wonder Woman -- a sheltered farmboy falling for an Amazonian goddess -- was rather sweet.

JUSTICE LEAGUE also had a delightful and still ongoing arc where Luthor decides that the best way to win the acclaim and fame and wealth and regard and power he wants is to renounce Evil, become a superhero and join the League.

The SUPERMAN/WONDER WOMAN title was also excellent, featuring strong writing that explored a very complex relationship of two people who will always feel like outsiders. There was the nine-issue SUPERMAN UNCHAINED where Superman was forced to struggle with his unwillingness to interfere in global conflicts outside of relief work.

It was baffling how the people writing the outlier SUPERMAN titles without full control over the character were the ones doing their best work while the core SUPERMAN office seemed incapable of releasing a single coherent storyline without an exasperated writer quitting without finishing.

Outside of the Superman/Wonder Woman romance, the SUPERMAN office was unwilling to take any chances in committing to any creative vision whatsoever.

And then suddenly it was. Writer Greg Pak came aboard ACTION COMICS and plunged Superman into fantasy sci-fi with Superman discovering an underground population of monsters, creating civil rights allegories while keeping the book full of absurd visuals and showcasing Superman's empathy for all. DC seemed to step back and let a great team do great stories.

Then there was Geoff Johns taking over SUPERMAN for a brief arc of widescreen action matched with Superman battling an alien invasion that sought to use Superman's public persona against him. This led into Superman developing a new superpower: emitting a burst of solar energy that was highly destructive and would leave him powerless for 24 hours.

Johns was succeeded by new writer Gene Luen Yang who began having Superman deal with the delight and fragility of being human (got drunk for the first time) and the psychological mayhem of going back and forth between godlike powers and being normal. With SUPERMAN in excellent state, ACTION COMICS doing well and SUPERMAN/WONDER WOMAN a monthly delight, one wondered what had taken so long and why the writers could suddenly take chances.

The next storyline was TRUTH -- a strange story in that it was told out of order. But looking at it chronologically, it's an amazing storyline: Superman going from powered up to only human means he gets injured more often and while he heals, he begins to get sloppy in concealing his secret identity.

In BEFORE TRUTH, a villain finds out he's Clark Kent and begins blackmailing Superman into giving them bursts of his charged solar energy -- and Lois, having found out the secret as well, decides to put a stop  to it by revealing Clark's secret to the world.

Villains start attacking Superman's friends. Clark Kent is wanted by the police, the Daily Planet wants to sue him for fraud, and Perry White feels betrayed by Superman masquerading as a normal person and knocks the glasses off his face.

And problematically, Clark discovers that the villains draining him via his solar flare power have somehow damaged his ability to store solar energy: his strength is reduced to lifting a truck; he can no longer fly; his supersenses are diminished and he's down to a few thousand in cash.

In SUPERMAN/WONDER WOMAN, Clark discovers that the power imbalance between himself and Wonder Woman has left him feeling crippled and inadequate. Watching her fly off to cosmic threats is heartrending. Worse, she interferes when Clark attempts to pilot a shuttle into the sun in a failed attempt to repower himself and steps into Clark's dealings with the CIA and the DHS when Clark asked her to stay out of it. Feeling betrayed by both Lois and Wonder Woman, Clark severs ties with both of them and sets off on his motorcycle.

Returning to Metropolis, Clark finds that his former neighbours declared his district to be Superman's town and began public protests demanding Superman be acquitted of all charges, resulting in brutal police officers storming on the protests and a weakened Superman chaining himself up with his neighbours.

This whole thing is a terrific storyline. Superman loses all the things that make him Superman -- and then keeps going anyway. He gives himself a buzz-cut, buys a Superman T-shirt and a motorcycle and carries on trying to do his job -- defending the city, fighting alien invaders, tracking down who has stolen his powers, teaming up with the JLA, battling monsters -- all the while getting beaten to a bloody pulp and dragging himself back to his feet.

At one point, in a reference to George Reeves' career, Clark spends his last $20 on tacos and is reduced to fighting in boxing matches for money. At first ashamed and humiliated, Clark begins to enjoy the show and the friendships he develops with other boxers.

Throughout this arc, Superman is homeless, depowered, weak, outmatched -- but he doesn't stop trying to be Superman, partially out of ego, partially due to his inability to stop getting involved in any trouble he comes across whether it's criminal, supernatural or paranormal even when he is completely out of his league.

At times, he struggles to keep himself on the level of a fireman and paramedic while the Justice League is handling the big threats. It's a beautiful examination of what it means to be Superman -- and you wonder how DC can go to these lengths with this character, taking big chances where before, they seemed incapable of even small chances.

Even more curiously, a mini-series, SUPERMAN: LOIS & CLARK, reveals that the Superman we followed from 1985 - 2011 who married Lois -- is not the Superman whom we've been reading about since 2011. The assumption was that Clark was de-aged and his life altered by the Flashpoint reboot into the NEW 52 version -- except it turns out the 1985 - 2011 Superman has been living in the NEW 52 universe all along -- living with Lois Lane under the false identity of the Whites and raising their 10-year-old, Jon.

Furthermore, it's revealed that the 1985 Superman has been secretly interfering in all major NEW 52 events, but always hiding, always letting the Superman of this universe live his life.

And then comes THE FINAL DAYS OF SUPERMAN where Clark (NEW 52 version) uses Kryptonite to burn away the damaged cells preventing him from recharging his powers, learns that Vandal Savage is behind his depowering -- and that it's too late. The damage to his cells is irreversible; while his powers return, his body is failing. Clark is dying. Worse, the solar energy released by his body has come under the control of a madman who believes himself Superman. In a final battle, Clark just barely manages to stop the false Superman with the help of the 1985 Superman -- who brings Clark's dying body back to the JLA just in time for Wonder Woman to tell her lover good-bye.

So why did DC take such crazy chances with the NEW 52 Superman all of a sudden? Because they were going to kill him.

TRUTH is a magnificent storyline. Beautifully illustrated. Splendidly coordinated -- except for the fact that it was inexplicably released out of order. First, we get the comics with Superman depowered (why?) with his identity public (because?) and then after that, the storyline explaining how this came to pass was released. Utterly baffling. I stayed far, far away from TRUTH until it was all done and I could read it in order.

It was great. Brilliantly edited: one writer handled Superman being exposed; one writer handled a depowered Clark struggling with Wonder Woman; one writer handled Clark struggling to earn money and carry on being Superman even when diminished. And the finale -- he dies saving lives. Beautiful.

But I wondered: what now?

ACTION COMICS #952 has Luthor publicly mourning Superman's death and declaring that he will be the new Superman -- only to be confronted by the 1985 Superman flying in to reclaim his name and shield. Superman is dead. Superman has returned.

... I don't even know what to make of that last one, but I will say that the SUPERMAN titles really found their feet after two years of screwing around. It's kind of horrifying to me, however, that DC had to be willing to kill this incarnation of SUPERMAN before they could bring themselves to tell worthwhile stories with him.

I cannot fathom why they went to the trouble to make Clark in his mid-20s instead of his mid-30s only to go and bring the mid-30s version back and have him as a father. But still. This was an awkward run that suddenly became a brilliant run and leaves me eager to see what's next.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

Basically, in general, what are any thoughts you have at all about publishing a book? smile

My opinion: until I get feedback from you regarding SLIDERS REBORN: "Revolution" (5), my advice to you will be limited in the extreme.










































Oh, fine. I'd say that what you seem to be looking for is manuscript critiques. This woman is pretty good -- http://www.nicolewintersauthor.com/manuscript-critiques -- although you may want to do your own research. The main problem with editors -- any editor, really -- is that you need to find an editor who will (a) understand the story you want to tell and (b) help you tell it effectively and meaningfully. Unfortunately, the industry and the Internet is filled with editors who instead find fault with your material because it is (a) not the material they themselves would produce and (b) not done in the style they themselves would use.

A good editor is able to set aside the majority of their preferences and prejudices and examine the art the artist is trying to produce instead of the art the editor wishes the artist would produce. A good editor examines target audience, readability and comprehensibility within that audience and for every criticism raised, they offer a specific, actionable solution.

I admit that my own experience with editors have been someone troubled. Some have provided vague, theoretical advice that is impossible to apply in any concrete way. Some provide advice that consists largely of seeking to replace my story with their story. Some protest that my material does not voice their personal views and opinions with the perspective that any work that doesn't reinforce their beliefs is inherently deficient.

Some editors have provided specific, clear thoughts on how to make plots, exposition, dialogue and scenes clearer, simpler, more effective and more impactful. Some have provided suggestions on how to reorganize material in order to prevent confusion and achieve immersion in the content. Some have simply provided content to be integrated into the story. And some have read 10 pages and declared that all 350 should be rewritten. So, when dealing with opinions coming from people who are not necessarily skilled in editing, one has to pick and choose but with a clear set of criteria as to what advice is helpful and what advice is not.

There is also a heavy responsibility on the writer to be clear in communicating what it is they want to achieve, because if they can't explain that they want to do a comic book version of SLIDERS that recognizes every aspect of the series including the TV episodes, the comics, the trading cards, the fanfic and the unused pitches and scripts, one cannot fault the editor for looking at a plot outline of incomprehensible continuity references and empty action setpieces and advising the route of a clean reboot with no continuity at all. I trust you understand.

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We could probably just read the transcripts of story conferences we've had out loud -- like where you say that SLIDERS REBORN is not canon, cannot possibly be canon, will never be canon and that Wade is dead god damn it and I say that technically every fanfic is canon, all co-existing on the same multidimensional axis in some form and "Requiem" point-blank establishes that Wade is alive.

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I must confess that I am deeply displeased with how my appearance on the LOIS & CLARK podcast turned out. Discussions of great import were cut from the final product, discussions that were edited out. As a responsible message board poster, I feel I must share these passages that were hidden from you all for reasons too insidious to contemplate.

TOM: " ... welcome, ireactions!"
ME: "Thanks, Tom, thanks for having me here."

[ ... ]

TOM: "So what's your take on how Lois and Lex get engaged and have their wedding so suddenly and so soon?"
ME: "Well -- I think it's something that's peculiar to 90s shows. If you look at SLIDERS, 'Luck of the Draw' has Rembrandt as a goofy, silly, funny everyman who doesn't have a lot of dark edges. But then with Season 2's premiere, he's suddenly firing shotguns, fending off swords, threatening to kill bounty hunters -- even Cleavant Derricks was a bit put off by that. But it goes to show how with 90s shows, development had to take place abruptly because there was no controlling what order in which the show would be aired."
CORY: "Right, right. But getting to back to Lois and Lex -- I mean, they've dated in a few episodes, but Lex popping the question is so sudden."
ME: "It really brings to mind the episode 'Obsession' where Derek Bond immediately asks Wade to marry him. It's a story that ideally would take several episodes, but in the 90s, you have to get to the point -- get into the story and get yourself out within a single episode. It's also a format where sometimes, subplots don't really develop as much as they're reiterated, put in sleep mode, then reiterated, then brought to the forefront. For example, the Quinn/Wade romance was a really big deal in Season 1 -- but then between episodes, Wade and Quinn are suddenly platonic and there's no jealousy or longing until "Obsession" -- when Quinn is crazy jealous over Derek Bond -- but even then, it could just be construed as Quinn not wanting Wade to leave sliding. But I think SLIDERS did a really nice job of handling it where even if the episodes couldn't do progressive, sequential, ongoing character development, every episode finds insight into the characters."
CORY: "What the fuck is going on?"
TOM: "I dunno -- I dunno! Look, man -- we're talking LOIS & CLARK here -- "
ME: "Oh. Oh, yeah! Yeah! Well, this is still relevant to the format of 90s shows, but yeah, okay -- I'm ready to give my total and undivided attention to LOIS & CLARK.
CORY: "Jesus Christ."
TOM: "Relax! Relax! We'll sort this out in editing. So, now on Lois and Lex... "

[...]

CORY: " ... and the thing is with the investigation into Lex, they do so well with finding out everything they need to arrest him, you wonder why they never did it sooner."
TOM: "I know, right? I mean, this whole time, the untouchable Luthor was totally touchable, they just need to retcon in a couple people Luthor's bribed and blackmail them into testifying."
ME: "Well, not all retcons are bad. Some can be quite beneficial. For example, in the Pilot, it's established that Quinn's dad died when he was a teenager. But as the series progressed, this shifted with Quinn's dad having died when Quinn was 10 - 11. And I think the reason why -- Quinn was scripted as a socially awkward geek, but Jerry didn't play that at all -- instead playing Quinn with full force charisma. So the script is saying that Quinn is socially isolated, but the acting is saying the opposite. And it leads to a really multi-faceted character because it means that Quinn is alone because he wants to be alone. And that's why 'The Guardian,' written by the creator of the show, the same guy who wrote the Pilot to say Quinn's dad died when he was in his late teens -- changed it to say Quinn's dad died when he was 10 - 11 -- to make it really traumatizing and to justify why Quinn chooses isolation. And that's the product of many 90s shows where they don't have the benefit of long-term planning and they often need to retroactively declare the plan was there all along."
TOM: "What?!"
CORY: "You know we're done with the SLIDERS podcasts, right? I mean, you heard the last one, didn't you?"
TOM: "Why does everything come back to SLIDERS with you? I mean, we did it, we liked it, but come on! We've moved on! We move on!"
ME: "Yeah, the concept of moving on is something SLIDERS always seemed to struggle with, like the character exits where they made it impossible to watch subsequent episodes without seeing how they reflected on the Professor's death and Wade's off-camera exit -- "
TOM: "Oh for fuck's sake."
ME: "The difficulty of writing characters out while in episodic television is that they chose methods that demanded reversal or follow-up whereas -- "
CORY: "So, I figure we can cut him off now or we can cut him off in the editing stage."
TOM: "Has he said ANYTHING related to LOIS & CLARK?"
CORY: "Uh. I think I could probably edit the bits and pieces of his stuff involving LOIS & CLARK into something halfway coherent and then -- "
TOM: "ireactions! Thanks for being here! We'll talk to you real soon."
ME: "Oh, thanks, guys! Thanks for having me. Can't wait to come on again!"
CORY: " ... yeah... "

And they cut out all that stuff! I've never been so offended in all my life.


























(I'm kidding.)

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For me, the character of Batman is fundamentally optimistic, declaring that our traumas and tragedies will not overwhelm and destroy us but in fact inspire us to do good. In contrast, Frank Miller subsumed Batman into his own miserably self-loathing personality, using Batman to personify Miller's own mindset -- Miller's fetishism for prostitutes, Miller's obsession with violence, Miller's addictions.

The real Batman would not become a bitter old drunk who gets off on violence and dominating others in some pointless fight. The real Batman would accept that he had gotten old and find a successor, a new generation of heroes to inspire and tutor with his knowledge, experience and wisdom. I don't dispute that Miller is a talented visual storyteller, but he doesn't tell Batman stories, he tells Frank Miller stories and the world at large doesn't really know the difference. Sadly.

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Informant wrote:

That said, some of the lessons on the show are pretty horrible. Explaining elections is fine, but arguing for lowering the voting age without teaching kids why voting is for adults is just sloppy.

This criticism is complete and total horseshit. Shame on GIRL MEETS WORLD for having characters who do not share your values and political perspectives! My God, it's so uncharacteristic for children to feel they should have the right to vote. How dare any TV show not reflect Informant's views! You god-damn egomaniac.

But upon sedate contemplation, I must concede that there's a fair point in this. Senator Davis Graham, whom Eric is running against, is shown to have the political skills of a cabbage and given all the depth of a junk mail pamphlet. By reducing him to a complete villain (guy who stole government funds to give to his country club pals, wants to charge children for using public parks), the episode missed out on a chance to examine pragmatic realism versus Eric Matthews being an idealistic nutjob.

A more nuanced, Dan Harmon-esque approach to this episode might have been to have Graham portrayed as a completely reasonable, even mostly ethical politician who has settled for doing some good in exchange for doing some bad while Eric is portrayed as a pie-in-the-sky ineffectual whose campaign team of children wins the election based on the cutesy novelty of a public image where the kids are fighting a corrupt old man when the truth is this is as cynical a media manipulation as any political campaign.

Informant wrote:

I just watched an episode where arts programs are being cut and the kids face off against the evil adults who want to cut them. They win in the end, but I still don't like the lesson. In the real world, money has to come from somewhere. Hard decisions have to be made, whether we like them or not. Keeping arts programs might mean taking money from books, school suppies or even food for less privileged kids. I know it is a kid show, but why tell these stories dishonestly? It is a bad lesson at that point.

This criticism is complete and total horseshit. Oh, so a show isn't being honest if it doesn't represent YOUR pet themes and YOUR particular ideals. Shame on a show for having characters who aren't mouthpieces for you and your belief that arts aren't worth money.

But upon sedate contemplation, I must concede that there's a fair point in this. The episode never actually offers a financial solution to a financial problem, only the sentiment that arts education is WORTH IT and that SOMETHING has to be done.

A more nuanced, Dan Harmon-esque solution would have been to have the school administrators raise all of Informant's points -- that keeping art means losing lunch -- and for the kids to come up with examples of how the art projects actually require a grasp of math, science, history, politics, engineering and social studies in order to be meaningful -- in which case, an art component is built into each of the hard academic sections of their education, taking a small portion from each of those budgets to keep the art classes going, albeit with the grade requirements necessitating the participation of the language, history, math and science teachers.

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I think it is CRAZY premature to start saying that anyone other than Calista Flockhart is going to be on the show less. There have been no announcements whatsoever for the rest and three of these new hires are recurring, not regular. I'm not saying it won't happen because we don't know, but talking about it like it's a certainty as opposed to a theory is too far. I know Informant WANTS to see less of Chyler Leigh, but that's a different discussion. ;-)

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GIRL MEETS WORLD is one of my favourite shows although I don't see it as a TV series as much as a junior high stageplay that for some reason has a professional crew and soundstage. Therefore, my standards for it are extremely low.

I don't think that Marvel has ever produced anything that is sold in bookstores with the same cache and cultural penetration as THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS or WATCHMEN. I mean, I love NEW X-MEN and Matt Fraction's IRON MAN and J. Michael Straczynski's AMAZING SPIDER-MAN and Mark Waid's FANTASTIC FOUR and NEW AVENGERS and CIVIL WAR and SPIDER-ISLAND, and I do think you could analyze all of them deeply and meaningfully, but DARK KNIGHT RETURNS is renowned and famous in a way most comics and Marvel's arent.

That said, I think THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS sucks. I think it completely fails to understand Batman at all and was just significant because it was such a well-promoted contrast to the sixties TV show. A far better portrayal of Batman in old age is BATMAN BEYOND.

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I really can't see Tom playing the same Superman he did on SMALLVILLE. If he played Clark on Superman, I think it'd be a bit like how THE FLASH portrays an older Barry Allen (Henry) looking like the same actor who played Barry in the 1990s or how the SUPERMAN comics use Christopher Reeve's likeness now and then. I wouldn't mix the aesthetics of using Tom with the continuity of Tom's previous SUPERMAN series.

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Hey, I'm not trying to sort out Tom Welling's career here, Informant! I just want a good Superman and Tom is available!

Sorry. I forgot I don't work on this show.

On a side note -- Brandon Routh was almost Superman in MAN OF STEEL. If they'd retained him, every supporting actor around him would have changed. I wonder how that would have felt.

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Informant wrote:

Having Tom play Superman would be weird. Kara doesn't just look different. His Kara looks like Indigo. His Lara looks like Eliza Danvers. His Curtis Knox (who was pretty much Vandal Savage) looks like Jeremiah Danvers. Jimmy Olsen is suddenly black. Cat Grant, Lucy Lane and the General have new faces.

Despite being someone who obsessed over finding a solid explanation for why Jerry O'Connell and Robert Floyd both play Quinn Mallory without looking the same -- I just wouldn't worry about this. At all.

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LAURIE: "Mom, open his gift for you -- "
ME: "Yeah, open mine!"
HENRIETTA: "Oh my -- this is my favourite wine! How did you know this is my favourite wine?"
LAURIE: "I asked you and texted him and he bought it."
HENRIETTA: "How did you FIND it!?"
ME: "The Internet. And driving. I'm glad you're happy with it!"
HENRIETTA: "You don't know how happy this makes me -- "
ME: "Yeah, but that's only because I don't understand anything about alcohol."
HENRIETTA: "Well. Imagine your favourite SLIDERS."
ME: "Huh?"
LAURIE: "Imagine your favourite episode -- that fucking episode you never shut up about, the one where time runs backwards or some shit -- and think of it with a high-definition transfer on blu-ray with all the effects redone seamlessly and with some extended scenes and also a director and writer's commentary and imagine getting it for Christmas. That's how my mom feels now."
ME: "I get it."

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I'd love to see Tom Welling play Superman on SUPERGIRL not in a continuity-oriented sense -- just that I think the actor does a good job of being Superman/Clark Kent (as opposed to acting) and I think he'd do an amazing job. I'd be less in favour of Brandon Routh or Henry Cavill largely because I feel those are two actors who need the special effects -- the hairstyling, the rigs, the lighting, the costume -- to be Superman. In contrast, Tom comes off as Superman just from his affable, earnest, compassionate screen presence matched with his intensely commanding physical persona.

If they can't get Tom Welling, I would like them to hire Gregory Smith who is already working on ARROW as a director. He wouldn't be the traditional image of Superman as a muscled, six foot tall figure, however -- Smith is a toothpick sort of fellow, but Superman's strength doesn't come from his muscles anyway and he could capture Superman's earnest, heartfelt sincerity and love for all.

Sliders Reborn: Revolution (5)
Trapped in a deadly situation, Quinn Mallory is confronted by a spectre of the past -- an old friend from whom he has no secrets. This interlude screenplay features the return of Mallory (Robert Floyd).

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19GS … it?tab=t.0

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This is not the finale of SLIDERS REBORN -- it's an additional chapter that I decided to add because it just felt wrong to omit the character of Mallory from REBORN after everything Robert Floyd did for the series. It was, I confess, a struggle to find some way to justify the presence of Mallory and to find a way for Mallory and Quinn to share scenes together and to figure out what it is they'd talk about. I hope it works.

I tried posting the script in this thread just as an experiment, but the word wraps didn't translate well.

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... so, this was meant as a tribute to the actor who played Mallory -- except I doubt he'd be able to appreciate it because the story makes absolutely no sense unless you remember the Season 2 episode, "Obsession."

Well. It's called fan fiction for a reason!!!

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I have no idea how, but I imagined the Quinn/Mallory script, "Revolution," to be a very short interlude. But I fed my plain text file into the screenwriting software and it's 46 pages exactly -- the length of a 90s TV episode. How does this keep happening?

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I barely remember it. I remember that I didn't hate it, that it wasn't a disaster, but that still left it quite a distance from being good.

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http://www.blastr.com/2015-2-16/matthew … -wolverine

According to Vaughn, had he stayed aboard X-MEN for a second film, that second film wouldn't have even been DAYS OF FUTURE PAST. It would have been FIRST CLASS II with a recast Wolverine, a younger actor playing him in the 70s. The plot would have involved Magneto assassinating John F. Kennedy (for real). Then his third X-MEN film would be DAYS OF FUTURE PAST with the recast Wolverine meeting Hugh Jackman.

From what I can tell, Vaughn made FIRST CLASS as a reboot, not a prequel. Hugh Jackman and Rebecca Romijn's cameos were simply easter eggs; just because SMALLVILLE uses an ice fortress and the John Williams score doesn't mean it's in continuity with Richard Donner's SUPERMAN.

However, FOX marketed the film as a prequel instead of a reboot. Vaughn intended to continue treating his sequel as a reboot, unconcerned that Wolverine joining the X-Men in the 70s would contradict him joining the gang in 2000. But then Vaughn decided to leave FIRST CLASS II to do KINGSMAN. Singer decided to do DAYS OF FUTURE PAST, the studio supported him, and the result was X-MEN: THE LAST STAND: WE TAKE IT BACK.

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I guess, to me, Apocalypse seemed like someone who would be perfectly happy ruling over corpses and rubble. It struck me as a failing of the villain rather than the plot, although I suppose it could just be the latter. While I might theorize that Apocalypse planned on using Rogue, Multiple Man and Wolverine to find and heal all the injured mutants, that's not in the film.

Sebastian Shaw's plan for nuclear war in FIRST CLASS seems to have the same problem.

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I wonder what can be done with you're a director of a film budgeted at several hundred million and you're burnt out. I wonder if Singer could have asked someone like Roland Emmerich, a veteran of mass destruction films, to work with him as a co-director to devise the big action sequences while Singer focused on the detailed characterization he's so good at. Finding a collaborator when you're tapped out isn't a bad idea.

Another response is to demote yourself, which Allison Mack did for Season 10 of SMALLVILLE where she was so exhausted from playing Chloe that she wanted to back off before her lack of interest in the role became apparent onscreen (at least that's my read on her from a podcast interview where she talked about having a midlife crisis during SMALLVILLE) -- and doing six episodes instead of 22 meant she could fake it without phoning it in.

I don't know if Singer is the sort to do that. Judging from FIRST CLASS and DAYS OF FUTURE PAST, Singer either takes full control of a project or benches himself. FIRST CLASS was more a reboot of X-MEN than a prequel. Singer was disinclined to interfere and just offered thoughts on how to make the mutant powers awe inspiring and exciting. DAYS OF FUTURE PAST was a FIRST CLASS PART II until Vaughn quit and Singer took over and decided to make it X-MEN: THE LAST STAND: PART II; he wasn't going to facilitate Vaughn's vision.

A third route is to accept that you are tired and just hack out the material, knowing that due to rushing, it will lack detail, subtext, purpose and clarity -- and then go back later and put that stuff in afterwards. Probably not an option for a film director.

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Singer said in interviews that he doesn't want to do the next X-MEN movie and that he needs to do a different genre and refresh himself -- and APOCALYPSE gives me the impression that this burnout took place during as opposed to after APOCALYPSE. As for the Wolverine plot from DOFP -- the original plan was that APOCALYPSE would have Wolverine in a very central role as the team leader, much as he was central in the first three X-MEN films and DOFP.

However, scheduling and the desire to elevate Jennifer Lawrence resulted in Singer deciding to isolate Wolverine to one sequence where the kids are imprisoned in Weapon X and Wolverine helps them escape. This resulted in setting aside the idea that Mystique had saved Wolverine from Weapon X -- so presumably, she failed or was found out and had to escape without him.

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Apocalypse's motives seemed pretty clear to me? He wanted the strongest of mutants to be the dominant species (which is in contrast to Magneto simply wanting mutants to kill their exterminators) and destroying the world would leave only the most powerful. Those who weren't equipped to survive weren't of any interest to Apocalypse anyway. A bit like Amara on SUPERNATURAL being appalled by these human rodents ruling existence instead of gods like herself.

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Having rewatched X-MEN and DAYS OF FUTURE PAST -- I think the problem is that Bryan Singer is just burnt out on X-MEN but perhaps didn't realize it until APOCALYPSE was underway and it was too late to quit.

DAYS OF FUTURE PAST comes off as Singer's final statement on the series, specifically in the scene where Patrick Stewart and James McAvoy meet. The Professor tells Charles that strength comes not from refusing to feel pain but being able to bear both your own and the pain of others and that it will make Charles stronger than ever.

Then there's the blatant metatextual moments where young Charles reads Wolverine's mind, sees flashes of THE LAST STAND and ORIGINS and starts screaming, "I don't want your suffering! I don't want your future!" with compassion and empathy proving to be powerful enough to change that future to Jean Grey and Scott Summers alive and well in a future where the X-Men and their students thrive in a world without Sentinels.

And APOCALYPSE ultimately feels like it's trying to say what DAYS OF FUTURE PAST says with Xavier declaring: "Those of you are strong -- protect those who are not" -- except Singer seems to have used up all the different variations with which he used physical action, mutant superpowers and vivid fight scenes to express those values and that mindset -- or he somehow lost his sense of how to fine-tune the action to reflect these views. It feels like half the film is action and it's largely detached from characterization.

But I think, in addition to being burnt out and having already said everything he had to say about and with X-MEN, Singer also wanted to change his style for APOCALYPSE.

Having done X-MEN, X2 and DOFP as the more intimate action thrillers, he declared in Variety that for APOCALYPSE, he wanted to do a "mass destruction" superhero film that X-MEN movies had never done before. I think he wanted to do a TRANSFORMERS style X-MEN film with his skill and characters -- except this style is simply not suited to Singer's strengths as a director. He was tired out on X-MEN, he tried to reinvigorate himself with a new approach, but he's deeply unsuited to it.

Maybe he should have quit while he was ahead. It's really sad to me, because my fondness for Bryan Singer's work on THE WOLVERINE's tag scene and DAYS OF FUTURE PAST really fuelled SLIDERS REBORN. I'm currently finishing up a script featuring Quinn and Mallory and it's basically inspired by the Charles/Professor scene of DOFP. Singer's been an inspiration.

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I've been re-reading X-MEN comics and I've hit the Xorn era -- really the Grant Morrison era where the civil rights metaphor of X-MEN was updated to being about youth versus age. Xorn was a fascinating creation and revealing him to be Magneto was a serious gut-punch. It's funny how this era of X-MEN wasn't really that different from a storytelling perspective.

While all the characters cast off their costumes for movie-inspired black leather and the X-Men were outed as mutants now operating in public as part of the X-Corporation -- in the end, Grant Morrison wrote his one series, NEW X-MEN, and the other titles simply carried on as they had in the past, albeit with the NEW X-MEN costumes. Wolverine continued with his solo adventures, UNCANNY X-MEN was an incoherent mess as it had been since the 90s, X-TREME X-MEN had veteran X-writer Chris Claremont doing his usual stuff -- Grant Morrison's radical reinvention of X-MEN seemed entirely restricted to NEW X-MEN.

And yet, when Morrison left the book, he seemed to have effectively told the final chapter of the X-MEN. The issues that followed struggled to reverse Morrison's finale and then floundered cluelessly for years with no direction. Xorn was particularly baffling; UNCANNY later had the X-Men find Xorn -- the real one -- suggesting that there was a real Xorn whom Magneto had been impersonating. Except this Xorn claimed to be the brother of the Xorn who'd betrayed the X-Men -- except how could Magneto's false identity have a brother? EXCALIBUR later showed that Magneto had been trapped on his island during the entire Xorn storyline, meaning the Magneto impersonating Xorn had also been impersonating Magneto.

In an issue of HOUSE OF M, Dr. Strange wondered if the Scarlet Witch's reality warping powers had caused some of the confusion here.

An issue of NEW AVENGERS later revealed, quite incomprehensibly, that Xorn (brother of Xorn-2) had joined the X-Men but then decided to falsely reveal himself as Magneto in order to unite the mutants in an army -- a line of logic so confusing that Marvel just gave up and used the HOUSE OF M explanation in the Marvel Handbook. Magneto would later declare that he wasn't Xorn, but he liked people being afraid of him and knowing that he was capable of all the things Xorn did even if Magneto hadn't done them.

Comics.

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Watching the first X-MEN movie, I'm reminded of the complaints about Bryan Singer clearly not liking the fantasy elements of X-MEN comics, eschewing the yellow spandex, the sci-fi fantasy world building, the hyperstylized action spectacle. It was incredibly ignorant; the costumes needed texture and weight to work in live action and yellow was a flickery, ugly colour on film. The grounded tone of the film made the X-Men feel like they existed in our world as opposed to a superhero universe. The combat had a sense of brutal intimacy and were expressions of the characters. The first X-MEN film also didn't have the money to do widescreen fantasy action; it was made like it was a low-budget TV drama that required imagination and creativity to work past any shortages of resources.

Looking at X-MEN APOCALYPSE, most of what made the first X-MEN special is absent. The budget has rocketed to the point where Cairo can be reduced to rubble and the X-Men battle in a devastated cityscape and the costumes can look comic book crazy now without looking like cheap Halloween costumes -- and the result is that APOCALYPSE, despite some good location shooting and Singer showing normal people react, seems to take place in an exaggerated superhero universe. The limitations that made the first X-MEN film oddly plausible in its absurdities are gone.

I still enjoyed APOCALYPSE plenty, of course, but I would have preferred that Bryan Singer stick to what he's good at -- intimate character pieces. He's not really a crazy action director.

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My friend Ellie asked me to drive her to a fashion show. I agreed but, due to a miscommunication, gave the impression that I would be joining her in the audience as models traipsed down the runway. I made it 20 minutes before the sheer tedium of this experience became too much to bear and I realized that I'd only agreed to drive her home at the end of this -- so I relocated to the hotel lobby and pulled out my computer and worked on polishing Quinn's dialogue and then remembered in "Luck of the Draw," Quinn gets bored at a fashion show and proceeds to walk out in favour of going to the library instead. He would be so proud of me.

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I dunno. Having read quite a bit of your writing, you seem very good at sudden tonal shifts where you can integrate absurdity into your story. I don't know if Bryan Singer is as good at it. The X-MEN films he's helmed along with the FIRST CLASS film were largely grounded in a realistic setting that just happened to have mutants. Any advanced technology existed in relation to mutants. The idea of Magneto raising a chunk of rock into orbit with a breathable atmosphere and converting it into a full fledged space station is something I would find very difficult to justify myself.

That said, Singer wants the next film in space, so you may be onto something.

Mark Millar, in ULTIMATE X-MEN, had Magneto subjected to a mindwipe where he lived as a normal human, a teacher at a school for handicapped children -- and Xavier would visit him once a month to reinforce the telepathic blocks that prevented him from accessing his memories or powers.

The only way I can justify the onscreen events -- Xavier letting Magneto traipse off into the world to have another nervous breakdown of deadly consequence -- is that Xavier let everyone think Magneto went off to his happy ending except Xavier planted a hypnotic suggestion for Magneto to return to the campus later under cover of night, hook himself up to an IV drip and remain sedated and under lock and key in the basement infirmary indefinitely. I have plenty of sympathy for Magneto, but the X-Men are crazy irresponsible to let him off the hook so easily.

I love X-23, the female Wolverine. For anyone not familiar with her -- she's River Tam from FIREFLY. With Wolverine's claws.

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I think there is a good chance that Slider_Quinn21 and I will like the extended cut more than the theatrical cut -- although I base this on the hypothetical that the script for BVS was truncated severely in the theatrical version with key Superman scenes lost (such as Clark not getting involved in wars and hotspots and more sequences of Clark saving people) as well as Batman scenes (such as Bruce revealing why he went from hopeful to a burnt out wreck of a man, presumably because Robin was murdered).

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I enjoyed X-MEN APOCALYPSE, but it isn't a great movie. There are great scenes and great sequences and great moments, but they somehow don't add up. The film has a perfect set of competing values. Apocalypse declares that the strong need to take the world for themselves, that our governments and societal structures exist only to support the worthless and powerless. And then Xavier declares that the role of the strong is to protect those who aren't. Elitism versus compassion for the weak.

Somehow, that message gets a bit muted in endless action sequence upon endless action sequence -- all of them very exciting and filled with great uses of mutant power, none of them scoring that point that compassion for the weak is true strength. There is almost no sense of location by the end -- it's Cairo, but it might as well be one of ARROW's many abandoned factories.

Magneto's plot is pitifully repetitive -- once again, his family is killed and he goes on a grief-stricken homicidal rampage until Xavier talks him out of it and we end waiting for it to happen again in the next movie. In this continuity, Magneto has gone crazy on three separate occasions and then Xavier shakes his hand and wishes him well on his way to his next nervous breakdown? Seriously?

The film desperately needed to wrap up Magneto's arc at least for the film -- ideally, by putting Erik in a dreamworld or wiping his memories and giving him a civilian life. The film does a nice job of showing that Apocalypse and mutants have something resembling a grain of truth in considering themselves a superior race -- but the counterargument never quite lands -- in the end, Apocalypse loses because while he's superior, Jean Grey turns out to be more superior.

The best way would have been for Jean to have worked with Nightcrawler and Scott enough to see their powers in action, perhaps in a mishap or two at the shopping mall. Then, in the final fight scene, Jean's telepathy somehow coordinates their powers to use against Apocalypse in a way that gives them victory.

The bizarre thing is that this is more or less the approach used in the first X-MEN movie: Magneto confiscates Cyclops' visor and immobilizes all the X-Men; Jean uses her telepathy to get Cyclops' visor back and aim his optic blast to take out Magneto and free the other teammates, yet Singer completely missed the chance to put his formula into practice.

I mean, as an X-MEN fan, this is a perfectly solid X-MEN product, but as a feature film, it doesn't really work as a standalone piece of cinema much in the way an episode of THE FLASH wouldn't work if shown in theatres without the surrounding context.

There's also some peculiar continuity choices, including an error: Mystique replaced Striker in DAYS OF FUTURE PAST and took custody of Wolverine. That plot seems to be forgotten entirely in APOCALYPSE with Striker running Weapon X and holding Wolverine captive. Looking back at FIRST CLASS, FUTURE PAST and APOCALYPSE, it's kind of shocking to see that FIRST CLASS introduced a new lineup of X-MEN only for FUTURE PAST to disband the team and kill most of them off camera in the Vietnam war with a refocus on restoring the lineup of the first two X-MEN films -- with APOCALYPSE serving as a second FIRST CLASS, this time for the Cyclops/Jean/Nightcrawler team plus Wolverine.

The trajectory of this second trilogy has been truly bizarre and largely due to Matthew Vaughn backing out of DAYS OF FUTURE PAST and Bryan Singer reworking the film from being focused on the FIRST CLASS characters into a Wolverine film that would undo the deaths of Xavier, Cyclops and Jean Grey so that he could use the characters in the next film without the shadow of LAST STAND having killed them off.

I don't fault Singer for saving his people the second he could, and it was great for FUTURE PAST, but it leaves APOCALYPSE in an odd situation of trying to wrap up what's essentially an aborted trilogy. Imagine if the STAR WARS prequels set up Anakin and Obi-Wan as the leads for the trilogy -- only for ATTACK OF THE CLONES have Luke return and take over as the lead through time travel, relegating Obi-Wan and Anakin to background roles.

Ideally, the FIRST CLASS sequel and the DAYS OF FUTURE PAST repair job should have been two separate films, and after the FIRST CLASS team hit a natural endpoint, then Bryan Singer should have done the Cyclops/Jean/Xavier story.

The continuity of the series is hilariously incoherent at this point. X-MEN establishes that Xavier met Magneto in his teens, that Magneto helped him build Cerebro and that Magneto only started using the mind-blocking helmet in the 90s -- and Mystique clearly doesn't know Xavier personally. FIRST CLASS has Xavier meeting Magneto in their 30s, the government already built Cerebro, the helmet exists in the 60s and Mystique and Charles grew up together. Emma Frost, shown as a teenager in the 1979-set WOLVERINE film is in her mid-30s in the 60s-set FIRST CLASS.

One might think that FIRST CLASS is a reboot with the first trilogy references existing as Easter eggs. However, DAYS OF FUTURE PAST has Wolverine interacting with the FIRST CLASS characters while flashing back to footage from the first three X-MEN movies and the first WOLVERINE film.

Which leads us to baffling timeline issues where Jubilee and Angel, teenagers in the first trilogy appear as teenagers in APOCALYPSE which is set over a decade before the first X-MEN. There's also some incomprehensible discrepancies where Magneto is free to wander about in anonymity in the first three X-MEN movies but is shown to be public enemy number one and convicted as John F. Kennedy's murderer in DAYS OF FUTURE PAST even before he tries to take out Nixon.

None of these errors can be explained by the time travel plot of DAYS OF FUTURE PAST because the discrepancies (births, reputations) originate well before Wolverine was transported to the 70s. The only explanation I can think of would be to say that Wolverine made an initial attempt at time travel but vastly overshot the 70s and had an adventure at some point between 1880 (the year he was born) and 1944 (when Xavier meets Mystique) and somehow created ripples that altered history.

These ripples would have to result in certain family trees producing children named Emma, Warren (Angel) and Jubilation (Jubilee) earlier, Mystique meeting Xavier as a child, Erik not being in the right place to meet Xavier as early as they originally did, the government being more aware of mutants at an earlier point and thus building Cerebro, etc..

Probably something for a comic book to do at some point?

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The fact that Cap has always been used as a symbol is actually a bit of a handicap with a character whose adventures have been running since 1941. It's a description of every Cap story for seven decades. Which would suggest that surely there's space for the one story where Cap's symbolism is corrupted and twisted and broken -- if only to see what would happen. And maybe it won't work, but the truth is that Cap has endured many, many bad stories over the year because he's a very difficult character to write. One more won't do him any harm, and there'll be another 70 years of stories of Cap as a symbol afterwards. You could suck out Steve's brain (which has actually happened a few times), shoot him dead (which happened in the same story), blow him up (happens every other month), send him to a rape camp (well, he's been in concentration camps), turn him into a computer (it happened!), leave him unstuck in time (happened), merge his consciousness with another person (in Cap's case it was the Red Skull) and cancel his comic (it happened twice) -- and it happens over and over and over again and he just keeps coming back.

You know, there was a long period -- a very long period -- when Oliver Queen was dead as a doornail. GREEN ARROW comics featured Ollie's son, Connor Hawke. From 1996 - 2001, Oliver Queen was gone. Now that era is just a footnote. Can you even imagine it? I was there and I can barely believe it ever happened at all.

It's kind of comforting. It's what SLIDERS couldn't give me.

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I dunno. I'm currently writing an action sequence where the sliders are investigating a series of peculiar suicides. It could come out in September near Suicide Awareness Day. Should any story that inspires negative emotions be barred from release because a story element designed to create conflict and evoke concern might come when somebody is conceivably having a bad day?

That said, comics, more than any medium, seem a little overfond of one particular narrative device -- the fakeout. I think of HEROES as a TV show that reflected comics' worst traits and the fakeout was one of the most overused devices on the show. Sylar is Peter's brother! Hal Jordan is a mass murderer! Daredevil has become a supervillain with an army of bloodthirsty ninjas! Spider-Man has been killed and replaced with Dr. Octopus! Professor X is dead! Cyclops is dead! Wolverine is dead! Peter has become a Sylar-esque serial killer! Nathan is dead! Mohinder is dead! Sylar is dead! Claire is dead! Peter is dead! Captain America is dead! Captain America has lost the super soldier serum and aged into an old man! Captain America is an agent of HYDRA! No, not really, just kidding.

The thing is -- even if Captain America were really turned into a HYDRA agent and this is how the writer is going to keep the character going forward -- some future writer would someday undo it. Marv Wolfman was pretty sure Barry was dead forever, Ron Marz declared that Hal Jordan should rest in peace, Marvel was certain Peter Parker's days as Spider-Man were done -- but the truth is that these characters carry on indefinitely and some nostalgic writer will hit the reset button eventually. It's so inevitable that writers have decided to set up and trigger their own reset buttons.

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Another wonky REBIRTH/SLIDERS REBORN similarity jumped out at me -- REBIRTH offers an explanation for why there's a redhaired Wally West and an African American Wally West and why both have the same name (they're distant cousins named after the same grandfather). This new REBORN installment will attempt an explanation for why Robert Floyd and Jerry O'Connell play characters with the same name despite not being the same guy.

On that note, I'm happy to report that I've just completed the first draft of this short script where Quinn and Mallory will, at long last, team up! Sure hope Jerry doesn't balk at sharing the center stage with Robert Floyd for a story (he said somewhat delusionally).

The one thing I'm struggling with -- it's a little confusing to identify who is who at times. Quinn is listed in the script as QUINN and Mallory as MALLORY. However, I wrote Quinn to always address Mallory as "Quinn." ("Quinn!?" "Quinn." "Quinn!" "Quinn." "Quinn?") It can become unclear. And I'm writing a version of Maggie who still calls Quinn by his last name.

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Any copying started with me. The guy who wrote DC REBIRTH also wrote the GREEN LANTERN arc where he had to undo the once heroic Hal Jordan having become a deranged supervillain who killed the Green Lantern Crops.  He revealed that Hal had been infected by a primordial entity of fear that had been hiding within the Green Lantern central battery and it had corrupted his mind and driven him mad.

I stole the corruption idea and applied it to time as opposed to a character -- and that writer eventually applied his method to time as well in DC REBIRTH. It's a fairly ludicrous concept for anything resembling a grounded, realistic drama, but superheroes aren't really meant to be realistic and the sliders can occasionally be excused from realism as well if the circumstances are right... or if the story's executed in a short prequel novella that only offers a brief summary of the full story so as to avoid burying the reader with the weight of how ridiculous the whole thing is.

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Yay, new book to read! Can't wait to see how it all turns out.

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I always thought Dean should have been split in half; one version stays with Ben and Lisa and the other one goes off with Dean. Like on FARSCAPE!

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I thought the finale was okay and they introduced a new situation for the next season. It felt a little (deliberately) anti-climactic, but that's okay. I enjoyed the ride. There were lots of nice, quiet character moments. I did think that Amara desperately needed more characterization in order to make her decision at the end more convincing, though.

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The weird thing is that the legacy aspects of the DC Universe are part of why I never liked the DC Universe that much. While Superman and Batman are great, I dislike the scorched earth approach DC took to the Flash, Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Blue Beetle, the JLA where DC would frequently kill off the most iconic version of these characters and replace them with a new one -- as though the fans' loyalty were to the codename and the costume. It seems really arrogant to expect FLASH fans to be okay with liking Wally over Barry, GL fans to happily take Kyle Rayner over Hal Jordan, GA fans to accept Connor Hawke over Oliver Queen, BB fans to embrace Jaime Reyes over Ted Kord, etc..

There's also the fact that the previous incarnation of the character would always be written out in a bloody and horrific fashion. Barry melted, Hal went insane, Oliver blew himself up, Ted Kord got shot through the head. There seemed to be a shock value oriented contempt for the characters and DC would eventually engage in some truly absurd methods of resurrecting the dead characters. The idea that Hal Jordan went insane because he was possessed by a yellow fear monster is just stupid, albeit executed with such love and grace and style that I didn't mind.

On one level, I am fascinated by how DC mutilated its characters and then repaired them -- because it inspires me to do the same for Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo. On another, it makes me vastly prefer the Marvel approach where their signature characters are not the costumes and codenames for Spider-Man, Iron Man, Captain America, Daredevil and the X-Men -- their investment is in Peter, Tony, Steve and Charles and they know that's what readers come for. They come for the characters. They are our friends. Even when Peter and Steve and Charles weren't around for some time, their absences were played in a way that deepened what those characters meant.

In contrast, DC blows up its own fictional universe and continuity constantly and it's impossible to feel connected to the characters. Since 2011, Superman has been rebooted as a new Clark Kent and readers followed his adventures -- except the pre-2011 Superman returned, the post-2011 Superman has been killed off and readers are now expected to transfer their loyalty back to the pre-2011 Superman again. Wonder Woman got a new origin in 2010, essentially replacing the character with an alternate universe version, who was promptly deleted with another new origin in 2011. It's schizophrenic and it doesn't serve the characters because they're ripped away and replaced so abruptly and suddenly, it's difficult to connect to them -- especially when DC is so casual about wiping them out and acting like it's just the costume and the codename that matter.

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Just an addendum -- I think comic writers from the 60s to 2000s didn't know what they could change and what they couldn't. They understood that when you write Superman, X-Men, Spider-Man, Batman, Green Lantern, etc., you are writing mythic characters, but what are the essential aspects of that myth that everyone associates with the character that a faithful film or TV adaptation would use? When these characters were created and when these characters were at the height of their publishing popularity, it was difficult to imagine them in any other medium -- or that adaptations would be the most visible, most prominent versions of these characters.

For example, the shift from Barry to Wally -- this was DC Comics growing its universe, meeting the passage of time, and telling the next chapter in the legacy of The Flash. The Flash had started out as Jay Garrick, who was popular for a time but faded away. Then the Flash was revised into a new character with the same name and a similar costume and powers, Barry Allen. There was also the sense that Barry's character was a bit played out and dull.

With Green Lantern, sales had fallen on the title dramatically and DC sought to create a controversial, attention-grabbing storyline, so they had Hal Jordan become an insane mass murdering villain who destroyed the GL Corps and replaced him with a new Green Lantern named Kyle Rayner. This was DC attempting to progress into the 90s and create a GL who reflected young adult culture of the era -- soap opera with a 20something GL hanging out at his coffee shop angsting over girls.

However, the end result was that these updated for the 90s/next gen characters were too complicated in origin and backstory to bring to TV and film. It became necessary to roll back these changes and make Barry the star once more. With The Flash, all the next gen characters were unfortunately deleted. With GREEN LANTERN, the GL Corps allowed for all the next gen characters to stick around as supporting cast and in spin-offs while the core GL title focused on Hal Jordan once again. These were two instances where the changes were meant to be permanent, but over the course of several decades, it became clear that they had to be undone.

Grant Morrison, a very popular and inventive writer, attempted to do next-gen changes to BATMAN and X-MEN. With BATMAN, he introduced Batman Incorporated and created a global army of Batman and gave Batman a homicidal 10-year-old son. This was the evolution of Batman's storytelling engine. Unfortunately, it was an evolution based specifically on this particular writer's quirks and obsessions and without him, Batman Inc. faded away -- although the 10-year-old son remained.

With X-MEN, he attempted to replace the X-Men as a metaphor for the civil rights movement with a metaphor for youth culture. He replaced all the costumes with black leather, he had the X-Men revealed to the public instead of being an underground operation. While he did a great job, other writers couldn't quite capture the same tone and after he left X-MEN, the titles returned to the old civil rights approach -- although the X-Men remained publicly known and Cyclops and Emma Frost remained a couple with Jean Grey killed off and kept dead (but time travel brought a young version of her to the present day). In terms of evolving BATMAN and X-MEN to the next chapter, the changes were largely rolled back anyway for the next writer to come in with the default status.

It's only over decades that the essentials -- the defaults, the aspects the public associates with the character -- become clear. Superman will always be a reporter at the Daily Planet and his being a TV newsanchor was eventually undone. The Flash is Barry Allen, Green Lantern is Hal Jordan, the X-Men protect a world that hates and fears them, Batman fights crime in Gotham and not globally and Captain America fights Nazis. The writers can't be blamed for not being psychic or not realizing until the last decade that any changes to those essentials are only temporary. These temporary changes are generally to reinforce that those are the essential elements, sometimes through their absence.

So, right now, the style seems to be to execute GL/FLASH type changes by killing off Captain America and replacing him with Bucky or having Cap go evil, much like the Flash and Green Lantern -- but with the knowledge that this will be undone and to plan for that well in advance and making sure there's a decent story to be found there.

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I was wondering if you would recognize the first actress. She was Marina Oswald in that show you extra'd in. I do enjoy dreamcasting -- I imagine the character as looking like actress #1 but with the acting ability and body language of #2.

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I posted in the DC thread about the DC REBIRTH comic -- but just to summarize: the Flash is unstuck in time, erased from existence. In his untethered state, he witnesses historical events and discovers that reality has been altered: the optimistic world he knew has been revised into a darker timeline where past events are now infused with violence, hatred, anger and monstrosity. The Flash battles his way back to reality and learns that this changed existence is the result of a mad scientist's experiments with time and space. The Flash's return restores hope and love to the universe and offers the chance for repair and renewal.

Part 4 of SLIDERS REBORN, which I wrote early last year, is set in 2001, where Quinn describes four years of wonderful adventures with the original sliders until he was caught in the Combine experiment of "The Unstuck Man," which altered history and left Quinn unstuck, witnessing an altered history where Wade and the Professor were dead, home had been invaded and the multiverse was filled with supernatural monsters and paranormal threats. The situation is revealed to be the result of Dr. Geiger's spacetime experiment where Quinn and his doubles were erased, resulting in a corrupted reality and the nightmare version of the life Quinn knew. Quinn battles his way back to reality and is eventually able to restore the original timeline.

A friend remarked, "You're so far ahead of the curve that you're behind it!" Which is to say that superhero comics have clearly been imprinted on my brain, but I've learned all I can from them and should start studying something new for narrative techniques. Maybe opera!

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Well. Comics aren't really subject to conventional narrative or marketing rules for a variety of reasons. Crazy stuff like this is often necessary to keep the characters in the public view, even within the confines of publishing. When Captain America, Spider-Man, Iron Man, Superman, the X-Men, the Fantastic Four and Batman were created, their creators had no idea that they were starting a decade-spanning, serially ongoing, continuity based narrative with a floating timeline and a shared universe.

Eventually, the creators had to choose what they could change and what had to stay the same as they couldn't keep writing 60s era stories when in the 70s and 80s. Sometimes, the choices were effective. Sometimes they were a mistake. Sometimes, creators and companies stuck to their guns and carried forward, other times, they decided to use the flexibility of the medium to roll things backwards.

Spider-Man, for example, graduated from high school and went to university. With the X-Men, sales were low and Marvel cancelled the book, later reviving it with a largely overhauled cast that proved to be more popular than the first generation. Things changed for both Spidey and the X-Men: Peter Parker married Mary Jane and she got pregnant. With the X-Men, Jean Grey died, Magneto became a hero, Cyclops got married and retired, Professor Xavier left the X-Men in the hands of Magneto while he went off to space. Barry Allen died and Wally West replaced him. The feeling was that these characters would only ever exist in comic books, so comics were free to evolve and change and rework constantly, often making what would theoretically be irreversible changes.

In the 90s, however, Marvel started selling their TV and movie rights and suddenly, there became an urgent need to start rolling back all the changes; to make the comics reflect the default version that a TV show, cartoon or film would use. For the X-Men, all the changes were undone. Magneto reverted to villainy, Jean Grey was resurrected, Cyclops' wife was revealed to be some sort of demon queen and the clock rewound. The fact that previous comics had shown the X-Men to have outgrown this 'classic' situation was discounted.

With Spider-Man, Marvel attempted to retire Peter Parker and bring in a new Spider-Man, a clone named Ben Reilly. The sales crash made it clear that fans' loyalty was not to the costume and the name, but to the specific character, and Peter was reinstated with a time travel plot later undoing his marriage to Mary Jane.

With Wally West, DC saw which way the wind was blowing and decided to make their FLASH comics reflect any future TV show rather than see a TV show force their hand. When Wally became the Flash, the creators had no way of knowing that TV adaptations would be made, that superheroes could become filmable, that their third gen Flash would have a story too complicated to render onscreen.

All this experimentation, some incompetent and some brilliant, eventually made it clear: the comics would inevitably revert to the default status quo that a TV show or film would use. But in the 2000s, Marvel and DC began experimenting with making the kinds of massive changes they'd always had to roll back -- except this time, they would plan out in advance how the rollback would take place and make the experience a strong journey with some lasting effects here.

For example, Captain America was killed off and there was a multi-year story where we saw how the Marvel Universe coped without Steve Rogers and Bucky had to step up and grow a lot. Meanwhile, Norman Osborn took over the Marvel Universe. Eventually, Steve returned, toppled Osborn, but  Bucky remained Captain America until his Winter Soldier past was exposed and he stepped down. Things went back to how they started, but the circle was a fun ride.

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There have been hundreds of stories where Superman murders Lois or Spider-Man is killed stone dead or Daredevil goes insane or where Captain America is turned into a werewolf or a robot or dead -- well, maybe 10 or 20.

This fakeout of Captain America being evil and having been all along merely got published during a slow newsweek. Marvel consistently refused to refute the media presenting Cap and Spidey's deaths as permanent; Joe Quesada even went on Colbert to mourn Steve Rogers' death and present Colbert with Cap's shield.

The DAREDEVIL storyline, SHADOWLAND, had posters where a deranged Matt Murdock grinned murderously at the reader while the text read: THE BIRTH OF THE GREATEST VILLAIN OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE (without any fine print to say that this would all be wrapped up inside four months with Matt back to normal right away). The hype is not the story. The hype should not be reviewed as the equivalent of the story. Of course things will go back to normal; the fun is in seeing how that can happen. Given that the characters can't change permanently, there's nothing wrong with making a meal out of changing them temporarily.

I think my trauma over SLIDERS is part of why I like how all these insane things can happen to superheroes in comics -- the idea that all these mutilating, destructive things can happen to these characters, and they can still come back.

As for Barry Allen, I already wrote about the necessity of bringing him back (and you responded to it!). To copy paste what I wrote:

DC has given no official statements on why they got rid of Wally West and brought back Barry Allen, but the reasoning seems self-evident to me. Wally West was too complicated a character for film and TV.

Wally's origin: Barry Allen is a police scientist who was doused in chemicals struck by lightning that gave him superspeed and then Barry's nephew was struck in a similar accident and became Kid Flash and then Barry died and Wally became the successor to Barry as the third Flash because there was actually a first Flash and who the hell would bother with any of this crap for a TV show or a movie?

All adaptations either used Barry's origin with Wally West's name or just used Barry. DC, realizing that it was only a matter of time before the Flash became a TV show or film, decided to get in line with what would be the most widely seen version of the Flash -- a Flash who is Barry Allen, police scientist. CSI with superpowers. Barry was brought back to life. His absence since 1986 was compressed to a year or two and explained with a cover story of him having been in witness protection.

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It's the original Wally. Sorry, I thought that was clear from saying he was erased in 2011 and that he tries to find Linda. I've edited the post.

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That comment strikes me, rather alarmingly, as someone reviewing the news coverage of the story rather than the story. As for the fact that this isn't a permanent change -- why would anyone want it to be? Ultimately, characters in comics loop back to where they started; it's a cycle of mythology/marketability.

It's just a question of whether this is a SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN type long-term story where Dr. Octopus controlled Peter's body for 20 months or if it's a SHADOWLAND type story where Daredevil was a cackling supervillain for all of 120 days before it turned out he'd been possessed by a demon.

It's a perfectly acceptable narrative technique to present a radically altered backstory and mission of the character that reveals them to be a traitor to everything they ever represented -- only to reveal that it's part of a ruse. Or that the Red Skull has used the Cosmic Cube to alter Cap's history to transform him from an enemy into an ally. And to follow up with a Captain America from the original timeline entering the story or Cap to reveal his secret plan, etc..

With SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN, fans rioted over Peter Parker being killed off as though Marvel would permanently remove such a popular character from publishing. A year and eight months without Peter Parker was a way to examine his morality and purpose through the absence of both; Marvel's doing something similar with Cap and of course they're not going to give away the full story through interviews.

I see this as an interesting exercise: what if Cap's most positive characteristics were applied to villainy?

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Very interesting comic came out this week: DC UNIVERSE REBIRTH. It's written by Geoff Johns, who has taken over as the Kevin Feige equivalent of the DC Cinematic Universe and has written a lot of mythically unifying superhero comics over the years. I think it's the mission statement for the DC movies going forward.

Johns wrote GREEN LANTERN, HAWKMAN and THE FLASH and he started writing them at a time when Green Lantern had become a mass-murdering supervillain who'd killed all his comrades and died, Hawkman had become a confused mess of conflicting timelines and the Flash was dead and had been replaced by his nephew.

With Green Lantern, Johns resurrected the character and all his friends and found a way to reveal that the villainous GL had been mind-controlled and that all the dead friends were in stasis and alive. With Hawkman, Johns used the character's reincarnation-backstory to justify all the contradictory continuity. With the Flash, Johns used the idea of the character having been suspended in the Speed Force to justify his return. With Green Lantern, Johns re-established that GL is part of an intergalactic police force. With Hawkman, Johns focused on the extended lifespan of the character and his historical experience. With the Flash, Johns focused on the character as a forensic police scientist.

Ever since the 2011 reboot, the DC superheroes have been hit and miss. Establishing that superheroes have only been in play for five years eliminated a lot of history. The comics also had a hyperviolent and angry tone that was often at odds with the series. A lot of the continuity was contradictory; how can Batman have a 10-year-old son? How can there have been past generations of Teen Titans? Also, the BATMAN and GREEN LANTERN titles continued their pre-reboot plotlines but in the post-reboot universe, except those plots depended on past events that had now been erased.

REBIRTH has Wally West, the third Flash (the redhaired one), unstuck in time. He was erased in the 2011 reboot. Here, he's drifting from moment to moment, witnessing the new history of this rebooted DC Universe and comparing it to the history he knows. He notes that this is a world where Green Arrow and Black Canary barely know each other -- and they live with a constant emptiness and sense of loss they can't explain. He sees Johnny Thunder of the Justice Society in an asylum, having gone mad from searching for the JSA which never existed in this new timeline. Superman and Batman aren't friends.

This rebooted timeline is described as corrupted. Cynical and grim. Love and hope are broken concepts in this damaged reality. The heroes are angry. Disturbed. Violent. Detached. Their lack of family and friendship makes them weak and alone. Wally, drifting and decaying into the Speed Force, seeks a familiar friend to anchor him to this reality. He sees the other Wally West -- the African American one, a cousin of Wally's. They were both named after the same grandfather. But his cousin never met him and cannot be his anchor. Wally seeks out Batman, but Batman doesn't remember him. He finds Linda, but she has no memory of him.

And then, losing cohesion, he visits Barry Allen -- the second Flash -- the only Flash in this corrupted timeline. Wally thanks his uncle for everything despite knowing Barry doesn't remember him. Wally says good-bye, surrendering to the Speed Force, knowing his individuality and memory will be lost.

But then Barry remembers Wally and rips him out of the Speed Force. Uncle and nephew hug, Barry crying, "How could I ever forget you?" Wally says that someone outside of time reached in and turned the heroes dark and grim, made them detached and lost.

But now that Wally's back, they can begin to restore what was taken away. Even now, says Wally, they're being watched by some malevolent being plotting war.

On the surface of the planet Mars, we find out who this figure is who created this corrupted timeline and stole history from our heroes. It's Dr. Manhattan. Yes, the character from WATCHMEN, last seen declaring his intention to create new life based on his interests, has removed what he deemed inefficient and distracting and unnecessary from the DC Universe -- history, family, legacy and hope. Wally believes a war is coming. A war against apathy, despair, indifference and cynicism.

So -- this comic is very clearly a rejection of a lot of the comics and films that DC and WB have been releasing as of late, and an outright condemnation of WATCHMEN and its effect on comic books and films -- and written by the man in charge of the films now.

At least that's how it seems to me. I'm sure Informant will have his own spin?

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I can't believe anyone is taking this Cap has been a HYDRA agent all along plot seriously. It is so obviously a sting operation.

... well. I kind of like it as a story? I guess I've been reading comics so long that this sort of thing doesn't startle me at all anymore and I continue to enjoy seeing it anyway.

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Terrifying dream:

DAN HARMON: "So who do we want to play Quinn Mallory's teenaged daughter?"

ME: "Uh -- well, she would have to look like a teenaged Zoe McLellan, right? So we find someone who has the same jawline."

DAN HARMON: "I admire your literalism, it must be so tranquil and unchallenging. But fine. If we aim for matching McLellan's jawline, we go with someone like this."

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DAN HARMON: "Or we go for someone who can mimic Jerry's temperament and screen presence instead of someone who resembles an actress who played Jerry's female double in one episode."

ME: "Which temperament are we talking about?"

DAN HARMON: "Well, for me, the definitive Quinn-scene would be from 'Gillian' where Quinn is sitting in the chair, listening to Gillian talk about her problems and full of earnest empathy matched with the vision and intelligence of a genius. This girl has that look."

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ME: "But she doesn't look like Zoe McLellan -- "

DAN HARMON: "God damn it. I quit. I hear Josef Anderson is available and he's clearly more your speed, you hack. Have fun trying to decide which actress plays a character in your imaginary project that isn't actually getting filmed."

ME: "You TAKE THAT BACK! YOU TAKE THAT -- "

At this point, I woke up.

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I keep seeing SLIDERS resembling superhero comics where I suddenly realized that a confusing plot problem could be addressed by bringing in a guest-character who appeared in one scene of one episode and this character's presence would immediately justify all the weird contortions of the plot.

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I have cracked the screen on my smartphone. The tempered glass protector has a tiny, circular opening for the front-facing camera. There's a crack next to the camera lens. Probably from one of the times I dropped it.

Oh well! It was only a $160 phone. And I never use the front facing camera anyway. It's fine. I wonder if it's still waterproof, though.

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I enjoyed LoT much in the same way I enjoyed the better episodes of SMALLVILLE and also AGE OF ULTRON and CIVIL WAR -- it wasn't deep, but it was engaging and fun superhero escapist fantasy. As for why it wasn't particularly satisfying -- I suspect it's simply because LoT lacked the strong character work and philosophical depth that elevates a series from functional to exceptional. Most of the characters are in the same place they were at the start of the series.

Mick Rory remains the gruff and not entirely trustworthy teammate despite having spent centuries as Chronos. Leonard Snart remained self-serving without being evil and his sacrifice was hardly unexpected. Ray Palmer remains earnest and brilliant while being utterly incompetent. Professor Stein remains high minded but often arrogant. Jax remains rough but deviously clever. Rip Hunter remains heroic but troubled and manipulative. Kendra remains well-meaning and unsure of her power. Carter Hall remains arrogant and loyal. Sara remains a charismatic former assassin.

A lot of things have happened to them and they've done some things that are a stretch for their characters, but their dialogue and the performances don't really reflect any of it. It's not exactly BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER where Spike went from being a murderous sadist to a hero. Admittedly, all that takes time, but LoT had a lot of significant stuff happen (Chronos, Ray and Kendra's lengthy layover) with little to no real impact. Ray and Mick mention how they were settled down/training with Time Masters, but their dialogue and behaviour are no different from before these events. When characters are the same at the end as they were at the beginning, it feels like their adventures were just filling time.

It reminds me a bit of SMALLVILLE at its worst where Clark caused his mother's miscarriage and became a petty supervillain in Metropolis who did henchman work for a crime boss and lived a life of absurd luxury during which he threatened both Chloe and Lana only for the following week to have him milking cows and working on the student newspaper and exchanging longing looks with Lana like none of it ever happened.

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I always enjoyed Marvel editor in chief Joe Quesada declaring that DC might as well call themselves AOL Comics as that would at least mean something. That logo is simply two letters in a circle. Personally, I think that DC might be better off using the individual emblem for each hero (Green Arrow's arrowhead, the Flash's lightning bolt, etc.) and just put DC COMICS next to it.

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I liked it up to a point. My problem was with Hive's plan to turn the vast majority of humans into mindless drones. I ultimately found that so fanciful that I didn't believe it would actually happen, given that AGENTS OF SHIELD needs to exist in the larger Marvel Cinematic Universe. And I also didn't feel the show sold us on the dehumanizing horror of that -- all those SHIELD agents get turned and while the team are angry about it, they were all extras.

So I would have shifted Hive's plan -- where his ability to sway Daisy and others would have become global over anyone with Inhuman potential, and he'd be able to turn people against their families and friends the way he turned Daisy. Then, the show would be threatening a horror we'd already experienced and could fear -- and also, if Hive is swaying people covertly, then this could be conceivably playing out even while the next THOR movie is taking place.

That said, I definitely felt all the character moments and I really liked how, as you said, Lincoln and Hive ended up having a quite, civil conversation as they awaited their fates. The end teaser with Daisy using her powers to super-jump was also stunning.

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Amusingly, Tom Cruise used to be Jerry's idol. Jerry worked with him on JERRY MAGUIRE and Jerry's post-SLIDERS career was a shabby and deformed attempt at mimicking Cruise's trajectory as a heartthrob leading man whose good looks would win over an audience. Jerry neglected to develop Cruise's gift for performing characters and making them likable, compelling, forceful, convincing, charismatic and morally admirable -- but Jerry's sneering, smirking, swaggering performances after SLIDERS are very obviously modelled on what he thought Tom Cruise was good at.

During the period where Jerry was reinventing himself from failed would-be movie star to working class TV actor, Jerry again cited Tom Cruise as a model of physical fitness and a good example for him.

The weird thing is, as a Quinn-obsessive, I do feel that the Tom Cruise persona is a part of Quinn -- there is the part of Quinn who comes off as ridiculously attractive young man (who even when middle-aged looks young) who is always good at absolutely everything from bartending to stunt driving to flying planes to combat to science. But there is also another side to Quinn -- the neurotic, isolated, socially stunted loner who lives in his own head and has no concept of teamwork and is so lost in endless thought that he forgets to do laundry or get haircuts.

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Singer has partnered with every showrunner on SUPERNATURAL from the creator of the series to Sera Gamble and Jeremy Carver. It's nothing new. Singer did take a slight reduction in responsibilities Season 11 so that he wasn't managing things day to day as much as he used to, but his role wasn't any different. I don't think Singer will be writing much of anything; his credits on SUPERNATURAL for writing were largely when somebody else's script needed to be rewritten, giving him a co-writing credit. As for "Bloodlines," that seemed to be a clear case of too much interference reducing the script to a painful mess rather than any reflection on Dabb himself.

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Robert Singer has been part of running the show since Season 1; he was Eric Kripke's partner and he's been involved in the show ever since. However, I don't really see Singer as a story-oriented producer. Although he weighs in and encourages and discourages certain things, he's more of a practical producer -- sets, actors, locations, filming schedules, makeup budgets, etc..

A huge part of SUPERNATURAL's excellence is that they know what they can and can't do well on a TV budget and they have a very skillful approach to rendering wars in heaven and the Apocalypse in a way that feels convincing without breaking the bank. And a lot of that is Robert Singer's experience as a director and producer, helping the writers realize their stories in a way that can be filmed and aired with the resources they have -- like saying that having the angels teleport onscreen would be too costly, but having them disappear from the frame between cuts would be effective.

Singer's expertise is why SUPERNATURAL has generally been able to avoid embarrassments like SMALLVILLE building up a Clark/Doomsday fight that lasted 30 seconds or having an 'epic' Season 10 finale consisting of people standing around talking. However, I don't see Singer has having as strong a voice as a writer -- he's more a guy who helps other writers execute their stories workably and visually while giving dialogue a bit of a polish like adding Dean's wisecracks.

SUPERNATURAL has had a lot of writers leave because they'd used up their ideas and felt it was time to move on before they started hacking out their work. Singer, despite being on the show since Season 1, has never experienced this and I think it's because he's not called upon to create ideas, but to help other people realize their ideas.

Andrew Dabb has been on the show since Season 4 and produced many fine scripts.The only script of his I really disliked was that absurd "Bloodlines" backdoor pilot.

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The problem with the CIVIL WAR crossover in comics, in my view -- the Registration Act should have been played consistently as something ambiguous; some heroes are for it, some are against it and the audience is free to choose which side they support. The core CIVIL WAR series by Mark Millar was cautiously non-committal. However, Marvel editorial encouraged every writer writing the tie-ins to use their own opinions. The writers scripting NEW AVENGERS, SPIDER-MAN were largely against Registration and proceeded to portray the Pro-Registration side as the villains. As a result, the readers got the impression that Captain America's team of Secret Avengers were supposed to be the heroes, full stop.

The tie-ins that were Pro-Registration (IRON MAN, FANTASTIC FOUR, SHE-HULK, MS. MARVEL), due to scheduling, came out much later than the Anti-Registration tie-ins and contained the Pro-Registration heroes' justifications -- but the impression that the Pro-Registration side was wrong had become impossible to overturn for the readers who thought the message was that these were the (reluctant) bad guys. As a result, Captain America surrendering to the Pro-Registration side in the CIVIL WAR mini-series came off very awkwardly.

Straczynski seemed to have some sort of breakdown while scripting the CIVIL WAR tie-ins. His work on AMAZING SPIDER-MAN was completely out of sync with the CIVIL WAR mini-series. The reason for that was partially due to Straczynski's style and politics; his view is that all governments are inherently untrustworthy and self-serving, so his version of CIVIL WAR wasn't going to be ambiguous over which side was right. The other part of it -- there were some strange miscommunications throughout; Straczynski was given script pages that mistakenly gave him the impression that Anti-Registration heroes would be imprisoned without trial permanently when Millar's pages were meant to present it as a temporary option. Straczynski was told that Iron Man and the Fantastic Four would profit hugely from the government contracts with Registration; he wasn't informed that all those profits were going to relief funds for survivors of superman battles. As a result, he thought the Proi-Registration side was evil.

Straczynski also scripted FANTASTIC FOUR and he visibly failed to explain why Mr. Fantastic would support the Registration Act, having Mr. Fantastic declare that the law was the law and had to be obeyed. Straczynski, after completing this issue, quit FANTASTIC FOUR in mid-storyline, again confessing that he just couldn't figure out why this character would behave in this way. The subsequent writer who completed the story had Mr. Fantastic reveal that he was mathematically predicting future events, and he believed a terrible superhuman disaster would result without the Registration Act. Later tie-ins would also reveal that Tony Stark felt that superheroes may explore and save people, but ultimately, they fight and would eventually fight each other and terrify the populace and that Registration was inevitable, but with Tony's involvement, it could be humane and empowering instead of fascistic and horrific.

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Sarcasm aside, I don't know what you're arguing for at this point that isn't increasingly detached from anything resembling objective reality. You want to say that BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN is just as successful as CIVIL WAR but CIVIL WAR is receiving preferential treatment lauding its success when CIVIL WAR has earned more in two weeks than BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN has earned in eight.

You want to argue that BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN is actually doing better from an American standpoint when these giant budgeted blockbusters are designed for both domestic and foreign markets. You insist that BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN is a much loved film when the reaction from critics and the audience has ranged from middling to negative. You declare that the production and marketing budgets should not be a concern in measuring success even though CIVIL WAR likely spent just as much as Warner Bros. did on BVS.

Also, you insisted earlier that JUNGLE BOOK can't be considered to be doing that much better than BVS when it has a similar budget and earnings when JUNGLE BOOK has earned in four weeks about as much as BVS earned in eight.

You liked BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN. That's up to you and I am glad you enjoyed it (a sentiment to which you previously responded with 519 words of rage). You feel the Marvel Cinematic Universe "doesn't work" creatively, but you also want to argue that it doesn't work monetarily with claims that Netflix overspends on New York filming (based on your estimates on cost) while declaring that BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN's theorized marketing budget shouldn't be considered (as there are no estimates you feel you trust).

This petulance matched with your meltdown in the DC thread is looking increasingly like tantrums over reality not matching your personal preferences. It would suggest you've just decided that you'll insist upon the supremacy of DC cinema in every area regardless of facts and figures when the only area in which you can reasonably argue their superiority right now is that you personally prefer one to the other. Which, quite frankly, is the only argument you ever need to make when it comes to film and TV.

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CIVIL WAR has been out for two weeks and earned 950 million dollars globally. BATMAN VS SUPERMAN has been out for eight weeks and earned 870 million dollars globally.

I don't think it's hard to see that CIVIL WAR's box office drop is dropping from much higher earnings than BVS. CIVIL WAR probably cost as much as BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN to make and market. There is no way that CIVIL WAR could be reasonably portrayed as anything but a financial success. I also don't think it's hard to see that Warner Bros. would have hoped for CIVIL WAR level success with BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN.

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An interesting recurring line in CIVIL WAR was, "You move." It's from the AMAZING SPIDER-MAN issues that tied into CIVIL WAR which show the event from Peter Parker's perspective. In the stories leading up to CIVIL WAR, Peter had joined the Avengers and taken a job as Tony Stark's protege and second in command. Tony, choosing to help the US Government with the Registration Act, tells Peter that he must reveal his identity to the authorities or become a criminal. Spider-Man unmasks at a massive press conference and joins the Avengers (Iron Man, Captain Marvel, the Fantastic Four, Giant Man, Wonder Man) against the Anti-Registration heroes (Captain America, the Young Avengers, etc.).

However, Spider-Man experiences a crisis of conscience when Tony threatens Peter with imprisonment if he doesn't remain loyal to the Registration heroes, imprisons captured Anti-Registration without trial, accepts billions in no-bid security contracts with numerous countries to enforce Registration, drafts supervillains into hunting down Cap's forces -- and Spider-Man decides to switch sides. Iron Man attacks him and Spider-Man defeats Tony, then meets Captain America.

Spidey says he's not sure what to do -- he cannot stomach the Registration's measures, but the whole world seems sure that Registration is right and that the Anti-Registration heroes are turncoat criminals. Cap tells Spider-Man that a real patriot aligns one's self with what's right and true and that when the rest of the world is insisting on moving away from the river of truth, a true patriot says, "No. You move."

Interestingly, these issues, written by J. Michael Straczynski, were largely undone by continuity and the rest of the CIVIL WAR event. The hostile, threatening Tony Stark of the AMAZING SPIDER-MAN issues was well-meaning and earnest in the main CIVIL WAR series; the supervillains were shown to be totally controlled by mental implants, all the profits from the no-bid contracts were shown to be going into funds for victims of superhuman battles, Stark was looking for ways to help his friends get out of prison, etc..

These issues are also an odd fit with the CIVIL WAR mini-series where Cap surrenders to the Pro-Registration heroes after seeing the fear that normal people have towards the heroes fighting.

Tony would later declare that he'd done wrong with Peter -- and helped Dr. Strange and Mr. Fantastic erase the world's memory of Spidey's secret identity, allowing Peter to resume a normal life again. The CIVIL WAR editor, Tom Brevoort, noted that he'd not edited the AMAZING SPIDER-MAN issues as he wasn't the SPIDER-MAN editor, and that Tony's villainous characterization should not have been scripted that way.

The AMAZING SPIDER-MAN issues were an anomaly, and writer J. Michael Straczynski would confess he couldn't wrap his head around Tony being Pro-Registration and he saw Registration as fascist and morally unacceptable -- as opposed to the CIVIL WAR mini-series presenting Registration in a highly ambiguous fashion. Straczynski quit SPIDER-MAN shortly after this, saying he wasn't good at crossovers and he wished he hadn't gotten involved. The Marvel Universe moved on.

But it's cool that they used his dialogue. (Sorry, Informant.)

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I don't know. As much as I like the shared universe ambition, I'll be the first to declare that shared universes are often a contradictory mess of opposing genres existing in the same space. Even the Marvel Comics universe is kind of a mess with the X-Men hated and feared while the Fantastic Four are loved and adored. AGENTS OF SHIELD, in its first season, seemed like an awkward student fan film rather than being set in the MCU proper while the Netflix material has convinced me that it's the life on the street perspective of the big movies. I agree that a crossover isn't necessary, but AGENTS OF SHIELD really stepped up with WINTER SOLDIER and AGE OF ULTRON, creating the illusion of both fitting into each other well with Coulson's near-season-long secret built into the climax of AGE OF ULTRON -- the terrifying, super-secret weapon was a means of evacuating civilians.

It's probably not as big a deal as it seems, but the CAP3 screenwriters confessing they were totally ignorant of AGENTS OF SHIELD was a huge blow to the sense that it all matters. AGENTS OF SHIELD treated CAP3's registration accords as a minor side detail at best; the tie-in was perfunctory.

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Tony shouting that Steve didn't deserve the shield and Steve leaving it on the ground next to Tony was a really bittersweet moment as Steve tried to show some measure of grace towards Tony's anger.

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Oh, at one point, Matt asked me to review Ian McDuffie's PARADISE LOST: THE COMIC BOOK, a volume that I personally consider unreviewable, resulting in this essay:

http://earthprime.com/essays/paradise-lost-the-comic

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So, I did the unthinkable -- I upgraded my iPad Mini 2 from iOS 8.1.3 to 9.3.1. I hadn't planned on it. I liked all my jailbreak tweaks. But there turned out to be a new feature that made upgrading worthwhile for me, and it didn't even come from Apple. Google released a new iOS keyboard app, Gboard, with swipe-typing, and it was only for iOS 9 and up.

Swipe-typing is so convenient and speedy -- I just couldn't see myself doing without it if it were available. I was kind of nervous because my iPad 2 went from being a capable tablet to a lagging mess after a few rounds of upgrades, but after some obsessive Googling indicated that poor iOS 9 performance on the Mini 2 was anomalous, I did the (irreversible) upgrade.

It's good. A few of the animations are a little laggy here and there, but it doesn't affect usage at all. I liked having the jailbreak feature of pattern unlock and miss it. Jailbreaking also allowed a blue light filter, but thankfully, iOS 9 has one installed. However, the occasional pause for animations makes me think that upgrading any further would be pushing my luck when downgrading isn't possible.

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This final chapter of SLIDERS REBORN keeps giving me pause for thought and I keep wondering if maybe I've gotten overattached to a certain idea. I keep saying that I see the sliders as superhero characters and that the final installment is SLIDERS doing a superhero movie. But -- well, there are certain aspects of superhero films that wouldn't suit the characters at all (like costumes). The main thing I wanted to do -- I didn't want Quinn to ever throw a single punch and to present a version of Quinn Mallory who has become so powerful through his mastery of sliding that he never has to use violence.  But it is *really* difficult to work out situations of physical threat and danger in this fashion and I don't know if I can maintain it. On some level, it is again an instance of personal bias. There was a poster awhile back on this Bboard who kept insisting that Quinn's maturity was best represented through Quinn beating people up and shooting them on a regular basis which made me feel compelled to write a script around rejecting that viewpoint entirely. However, this has put me in a situation where Quinn's pacifism might have become an authorial decision rather than a character decision.

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Just got back from seeing CIVIL WAR. I liked it! It wasn't the cinematic event of the century and it wasn't as significant as I would have liked, but it was very character oriented and very focused on the personal conflicts that become physical ones. It was a very enjoyable piece of fantasy escapism with a lot of strong emotional points. The humour throughout kept the film lighthearted and fun and actually made the more serious moments stand out when the jokes disappear.

I also liked how CIVIL WAR worked in a lot of references to the previous films in a respectful way, like Steve saying "I could do this all day" or the fact that Tony blames himself more than anyone else specifically because he insisted on creating Ultron. The film did a great job of giving every character a significant visual moment and there were really tender moments like the Falcon abandoning Steve and Bucky because he saw War Machine go down.

In terms of consequences, I think killing any one of the heroes off would have pushed the film too far into the bloody vengeance that the Black Panther specifically rebukes and refuses to engage in to the point of refusing to let his father's killer die.

In terms of the criticisms -- anyone looking for a specific political statement in a Marvel Cinematic Film might as well complain that a car sucks because it can't serve as a boat. This is hardly meant to be Serious Cinema. It's a children's fantasy presented for a family audience. Those seeking superhero films of infinite grimness and misery have already had their turn this year.

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The INHUMANS movie was a pet project for ousted Marvel Film executive Ike Perlmutter whose anger over FOX hanging onto the X-MEN rights had him declare that Marvel's film and publishing would use the Inhumans as a replacement for mutants -- hence their increased presence in AGENTS OF SHIELD and the plan to lead to an INHUMANS film -- except Perlmutter was removed from the film side, so while he's still doing the TV and Netflix material, the films are no longer pursuing Perlmutter's interests. In fact, the CIVIL WAR writers were told they needn't even watch AGENTS OF SHIELD.