pneumatic wrote:

creating a 1.022% (720/704) wider aspect.

is there any chance that the stretching caused the artifacts to "smooth" out more, and thus be less visable/pixalated?


pneumatic wrote:

It seems there are episodes where the field alignment issue is not visible in the end credits text, but IS visible in the live action shots.

besides some of the drabby colors of the episodes in s1 and with some in s2, this has been my contention as well but i didn't know how to express it.    it may also be worse during periods of motion.   but nonetheless, universal managed to make the material feel so aged and dated with their poor handling of the stuff.  and it was less of a problem on the 4:3, tube tvs but does not translate well for modern tvs.   

when this was released, however, in 2004, hdtvs were a thing and a lot of people had them.

pneumatic wrote:

Thanks, it looks like the version I've got is the 2004 release.

Here's a screenshot comparison from the same frame: https://imgsli.com/MTU5NTY2

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The one on the right looks better to me.

Though the image on the left doesn't start at the left edge side of the frame properly. You will notice a black bar.  So the slider doesn't show the exact same content when you slide to compare... it kinda shifts so makes it a little harder to compare.

Jim_Hall wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

Universal released the Dual Dimension set in 2004 (s1 & s2)

Then they did a re-release in 2008 I believe of Season 1 individually, and season 2, individually.

Actually, was it 2012?

https://slidecage.com/dvd/season-01/

https://slidecage.com/dvd/season-02/

2012 for the individual ones. The best set in my opinion is the Complete series released in 2014. It's the second one on the page: https://slidecage.com/dvd/complete/. Mainly because it's just packaged way better. It has all the extras that came with the others. If you can find one they quite expensive now.

So universal released S1 and S2 in

- 2004 (Dual Dimension)
- 2012 (individual seasons)
- 2014 (complete series)

Universal released the Dual Dimension set in 2004 (s1 & s2)

Then they did a re-release in 2008 I believe of Season 1 individually, and season 2, individually.

Actually, was it 2012?

https://slidecage.com/dvd/season-01/

https://slidecage.com/dvd/season-02/

@pneumatic  I just sent you a note

pneumatic wrote:
Jim_Hall wrote:

The Mill Creek edition is garbage as far as video quality.

Yep it's pretty bad.  Here's my attempt at cleaning it up so far...

Scene 1 - city square
Scene 2 - forest
Scene 3 - studio
Scene 4 - end credits

To see the actual quality you'll have to download the files and play them with a media player.  The version that plays embedded in your web browser is Google/Youtube's transcode of it, not the original file.

Filters used in this order:

DeCross (reduce analogue rainbow dotcrawl artefacts)
Detelecine to 480p
Deflicker filter (reduce field alignment drop shadow lines)
Convert colourimetry to HD Rec.709
4x AI upscale to 2880x1920p
Downscale & sharpen to 1440x1080p
Slight colour saturation increase

I played around with noise reduction but didn't like the result.  Might have to play around with the thresholds a bit more.

Just going off the top of my head memory wise the lines around objects look cleaner to me and color less faded.  I am pretty sure for some of the janky looking episodes in s1 and s2 a lot of the releases could benefit from such correction.   Not all the releases had such distorted screen credits so maube its not the same type of field alignment issue but there seems to be some other quality issues going on that feel similar.

pneumatic wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

That is great but one thing I noticed is for the letters that were not problematic (e.g. they weren't misaligned) you could argue some of the letters ended up looking  worse (less vibrant in color and softer edges) vs. the original (brighter yellow, and sharper edges, though maybe a bit pixelated).

Yeah I noticed that too.
Here it is vs Universal NTSC : https://imgsli.com/MTU4MDU2

it's much better on the new version

pneumatic wrote:

Got the NN scaler working and the results are great: https://imgsli.com/MTU4MDUx

But it's far too slow, about 0.3fps on a GTX 1070 (about 3 days for a 42min episode)

That is great but one thing I noticed is for the letters that were not problematic (e.g. they weren't misaligned) you could argue some of the letters ended up looking  worse (less vibrant in color and softer edges) vs. the original (brighter yellow, and sharper edges, though maybe a bit pixelated).

The problematic letters in the original, however, it completely fixes... which is very impressive.

pneumatic wrote:

I'm not sure if it's the lesser of 2 evils as it does smudge a lot of resolution out of the image.

Why not then try to add a sharpen thereafter?

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Awesome!!

smile   Haven't heard a mention of it...

pneumatic wrote:

Does anyone know where to buy Season 5 on Universal NTSC DVD?  I can't find it anywhere, even a used copy.   I've already bought the Mill Creek NTSC release but it has the field alignment issue.   I've bought the PAL DVDs but could only get seasons 1-4.   PMs very welcome!

btw I did some experiments in Photoshop and can reproduce the Muck Creek field alignment issue exactly.  Trying to figure out a way to reverse it in Photoshop, then once I know it works in theory it should be translatable to an Avisynth script.  But I'm still not sure if the damage is done in a way that is reversible or not.   It's kind of like lossy vs lossless compression - one of them can be reversed to get a 1:1 copy of the original, the other cannot.   Reversing the field alignment issue may still be lossy.  I think if I knew the exact scaling factor and algorithm they used for the digital zoom which put the fields out of alignment, then maybe I could reverse it 1:1.

I sent you a email through the forum software and a private message through the PMs about your original request a few weeks ago...;)

ireactions wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

I was not a fan of the new BTTF Blu-Ray as well, but I think I heard that it was more reflective of how it may have first appeared in theaters?

The frustrating thing about BACK TO THE FUTURE that you've noted: the previous blu-ray release in 2015 was overseen by producer Bob Gale who amped up the colours significantly to make the film look vibrant and new on HDTV screens. It was done with care and thought, making the film fit for modern day viewing on modern equipment without cheapening the original intentions. The 2020 release may be in 4K and have HDR, but it's completely undone all of Gale's adjustments for HDTV presentation when Gale had found a happy medium between Lucas-style overrevisionism and historical preservation.

I'm currently upscaling SLIDERS episodes 1.03 - 1.09. Just letting it run at home over the weekend while I go on a roadtrip.


The "poppy" colors of the 2015 release are perfect for BTTF, and it's hyper-real, comic-book like sensability.

pilight wrote:

The only way Sliders get rescanned is if a reboot kindles interest in the old show

if they do a reboot, on the other hand, they may want to pretend the first one never existed lol.

ireactions wrote:

This is deeply comforting, thank you!

Universal has been screwing up DVD releases since at least 2002 (the mis-framed BACK TO THE FUTURE release) and right through to 2022 (messed up colours on the new BTTF blu-ray). But if the negatives are still in storage, then perhaps we're just a few regime changes and scanning adjustments away from Universal making better use of its back catalog.

I just watched a hypergrainy AI upscale of "Summer of Love" and it looks like we have a choice between Episodes 1.02 - 1.09 looking really grainy (like a the very grainy Season 2 Turbine PAL release) or like a really waxy watercolour. I guess grain is preferable.

I was not a fan of the new BTTF Blu-Ray as well, but I think I heard that it was more reflective of how it may have first appeared in theaters?

The only way way Sliders gets re-scanned is if Universal does a mass catalog project, as you eluded to, or they decide to scan the titles in distribution -- SLIDERS is lucky enough to still have enough audience demand to be considered a "classic" to be on Peacock.   However, I fear it will go the way of Netflix and Hulu, where they were once comfortable having Sliders on their service  (through 2016, and 2017 respectively, I believe) but eventually as they build high quality, original content, they want nothing to do with it.   The problem is, SLIDERS, looks like shit so it's shelf life will never be as long because of how it looks.   Unless they fix that, eventually, I think Peacock will consider it too low quality to have on there. 

At the same time, Universal could simply do better upconversion and handling of assets and I think it would make for a dramatically more viable product for streaming services over time.   

A.I. keeps getting better and better... I am not sure if it will ever be able to deal with the field alignment issues being spoken on here but if there algorithms take that into account (assuming it is a common enough problem with older content for them to factor in), then make AI can give us a fairly decent replacement for a scan in the future.

Just the existing topaz experiments have taken the content a long way in my opinion.

pneumatic wrote:

Got the 2008 Universal PAL release today and sadly it appears identical to the 2013 Via Vision PAL release - the MPEG2 streams have identical file sizes, and MediaInfo reports the same properties for both.    Visually I can see no difference with an A-B comparison in photoshop toggling the second layer on and off.   

The Via Vision PAL box set from 2019 is I believe identical to their 2013 release since the product codes printed on the case spine are the same for both, eg. "VVE454" for season 1 & 2.

Universal NTSC version is still a month away from eBay international shipping, so no Sliders for a few weeks hmm

Universal NTSC packaging is bulky and the cardboard looks a bit tatty in seller's photos, so I'll probably store the discs in the Universal PAL cases.   That way it's still Universal - consistent with the printing on the discs, just a "better" version of Universal smile

I might still keep the PAL discs as a reference in case I come across some odd episode that might be cleaner.

Oh and if you hadn't noticed in the screenshots I posted earlier, the PAL version can also be much dimmer in terms of brightness, so that's another reason to dislike it.


did you search universal dual dimension on ebay?  Because i see stuff that arrives quickly and is cheap..

https://www.ebay.com/itm/324550543086

https://www.ebay.com/itm/192053266781

https://www.ebay.com/itm/363744351212

https://www.ebay.com/itm/404151367692

a fair amount..

I hope that costs eventually come down enough for universal to go through their library and just re-scan the damn footage (and automatically insert upscaled versions of cgi shots).  But I guess they never will.

Lego_Sliders wrote:

This back and forth between pnuematic and ireactions is just like the Professor and Quinn talking about string theory.

Lol

I am loving it too!

I wonder if some of this relates to comments I've made here in the past about some of the season 1 episodes looking a lot worse than others?

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awesome!

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ireactions wrote:

X-FILES got there first, premiering in 1993. SLIDERS didn't make it to air until 1995.

Was the online community significant? 

Certainly ours was the first to save a show.

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ireactions wrote:

Well, Earth 211 is a quick read. It's just the synopses of the episodes, not full scripts.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030711182 … efault.asp

I think only an insane person would try to write full scripts for even a mini-season of SLIDERS.

Thank you for linking me.

The Sliders fan community really is a historically great one.  As Tracy said maybe the first significant online community for tv.

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ireactions wrote:

It's funny. Earth 211 triggers this hungry, gnawing, painful longing in me, this desire for all of these beautiful synopses to be made into whole scripts. Earth 211 is the true SLIDERS. The SLIDERS we have on our world is a collapsed, broken version of the real SLIDERS.

There are stories in E211 from Transmodiar, Recall317, Nigel Mitchell, Jules Reynolds and others. It all makes me want so badly to find Quinn's timer and slide to this beautiful world where SLIDERS thrived and flourished and FOX polished it like a gem and made it the crowning jewel of their network and Universal stood by Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo for six wonderful seasons of wonder, terror, action, humour, inventiveness, imagination, creativity and SLIDERS truly was that series that never, ever ran out of ideas.

As much as I love what I came up with in SLIDERS REBORN and all the splendid contributions that Transmodiar, Nigel, Slider_Quinn21, Jim Ford of SLIDERSCAST and Informant made to turn the real world version of SLIDERS into a story with a restoration of the original sliders and a closing (but not final) adventure and a happy ending, and as much as I love Tracy Torme's "Slide Effects" story, these fanfics were salves and bandages.

A full-fledged version of Earth 211 is what I would really, really, really want.

I wonder if Steven Moffat (DOCTOR WHO) would ever be inclined to pitch a SLIDERS reboot.

I will have to catch up on my exposure to Earth 211.  I have heard of it but I haven't dived in.

Ha

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Looking good!

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Cool!

QuinnSlidr wrote:

Quantum Leap has been back for two weeks and nobody told me! Come on now. TemporalFlux, where are your Quantum Leap reviews???

So it did come back.... didn't realize

TemporalFlux wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:
TemporalFlux wrote:

With today’s nominations, we now we have a Sliders type movie that stands to sweep the Oscars.  How much longer can Universal ignore what they’re sitting on?

They keep waiting on a prestige creator / showrunner

I guess they’re not interested, but I still think Seth McFarlane / David A. Goodman would be perfect.  Seth has a development deal with Universal right now

I've said this in the past too.  And Orville's episode on the social media stuff was basically what a current day episode of Sliders on network tv would  be.   But there's got to be a desire to want to do things under the sliders brand (and it's brand got tarnished by schlock) or continue with the older characters (and nearly no prestige showrunner would have interest in that).

TemporalFlux wrote:

With today’s nominations, we now we have a Sliders type movie that stands to sweep the Oscars.  How much longer can Universal ignore what they’re sitting on?

They keep waiting on a prestige creator / showrunner

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ireactions wrote:

Probably, SLIDERS reflects how it came from creators who had previously worked on the NAKED GUN series and SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE -- comedies and parodies. In contrast, THE X-FILES was based on KOLCHAK: THE NIGHT STALKER and inspired by the Watergate scandal; THE X-FILES was a criminal procedural in a world of horror while SLIDERS was a dramedy drawing on the talent of sketch comedians.

great observation, makes sense.  (btw, wrong thread?).

we also do see some twin peaks style pacing, cinematography as well, i think.

one interesting thing was i was a HUGE fan of the Naked Gun movies (and Leslie Nielsen) growing up.  It wasn't until SLIDERS was finished that I realized it's Weiss connection and the shared DNA.

TemporalFlux wrote:

That said, I was really struck by the penultimate episode of Peele’s season two, “Try, Try” starring Topher Grace.  It starts slow and is a bit too wordy, but it builds into something really interesting.  On reflection after the viewing, it improves more.  It was a refreshing take on an old sci-fi trope.

agree...

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There's a new movie out called KIDS VS. ALIENS and the originator of it was influenced by.... FIRE IN THE SKY

https://youtu.be/jABzl_8wmY8?t=2331

https://bloody-disgusting.com/?p=3747988

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Regarding the X-Files (and SLIDERS), it's interesting how they were both fox shows, shot around the same time.  Both filmed in vancouver (and eventually relocated to LA).

Does anyone find it interesting that with these similarities, there really feels like there is a different style in how each one was shot.   As extremely respectable as Sliders S1 was, X-Files just seemed to feel a bit better done, a little bit more cinematic, and even more of an expensive feeling.   I wonder if this is because SLIDERS in part had a sitcom-ish tone to some degree, and it was more trying to be reflective of its heavy humor element in how it was shot, etc.

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ireactions wrote:

IOh, in X-CAST, I've just come to the segment where Carter says he wasn't aware that Gillian was quitting until he read about it on the internet at which point he decided to create a cliffhanger with Skinner getting run over -- except Gillian didn't say she was quitting until well-after that episode had been filmed.

I caught that too and was confused.  But never backtracked to look if she had made another set of comments ahead of time..

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Super interesting comments from Chris Carter on the latest episode of the X-Cast podcast yesterday.

I think it was around the 30 minute mark but he said he cast Robert Patrick as Doggett because he had loved what he did in.... Fire in the Sky.

Pretty cool Tracy Torme officially has had a material impact on affecting both the Sliders universe and the X-Files universe.

They were extending season 1 to more episodes right?

They haven't rolled out any new ones, have they?

The initial stuff I've seen is decent tv and I am glad to have it.  I can see why it has done well on streaming. 

I don't think it's anything incredible, it doesn't match some of the magic of the original, but that's OK.  Would much rather have it than not and will continue to support it via streaming.

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I only watched The Return of Maggie Beckett in full for the first time a few days ago.  Wow I was super impressed.  Chris Black really was a star -- I would have loved had he been part of the early writing staff as well.

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ireactions wrote:

I think that AI has its place as an assistant. When writing my fanfics, I had a lot of help: Transmodiar helped me better understand the screenplay format. Nigel Mitchell came up with all the alt-world concepts. Slider_Quinn21 made my last script readable, something I struggled with due to the densely layered plot.

I think it'd be great to use AI to determine if the writing is sufficiently visual, to accumulate scene description details for a human writer to select, to offer dialogue suggestions drawing on machine-learning to review every line of dialogue ever spoken by Jerry, Sabrina, Cleavant and John in any production to create a reference base of their specific vocal mannerisms.

As it stands, any 'writing' from AI is just pulling words from pre-existing content, using thesaurus-algorithms to paraphrase the nouns and verbs and adjectives, rearranging the clauses by assigning importance to any sentences with key words relevant to the query, and presenting a mismash of semi-random content that has been given a bit of polish to somewhat hold it together. An AI episode of SLIDERS would just be inserting the character-names into a STAR TREK or STARGATE screenplay, moving around the language and replacing and paraphrasing names and descriptions.

AI stands for artificial intelligence, but as it stands, it's not really that intelligent. I'd call it assistive iteration; it's not creating, it's just repeating, recombining and repackaging content from different sources, and all those sources were first written by a human. AI is a useful tool to algorithmically review your own writing to determine if your writing is clear, readable, consistent, meets formatting requirements and to gather research, but as a writer, AI basically the Season 3 staff of SLIDERS ripping off popular movies.

If you look on some of the AI-generated plots for SLIDERS on Reddit, the stories are obviously just LEGENDS OF TOMORROW, STARGATE and STAR TREK synopses that have been randomly recombined.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SLIDERS/commen … r_sliders/

I'm not advocating for AI writing, as I agree with your position.

I will say that it's interesting technology that a "dumb" computer can summarize all of the human writing it has collected and provide something comprehensive and decent.

I'll also say chatGDP allows you to say, "Play a text-based game around the tv show SLIDERS (1995)" and it's a decent little thing that we don't otherwise have through official software releases.


My points though largely revolve around bringing characters to life, based on the scripts humans provide it.  That's what I think is potentially exciting about the future.  To be able to play in the SLIDERS playground in a more visual way, via our own scripting.

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ireactions wrote:

I would say: I don't think anyone should be using AI to recreate Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo. I don't agree with the aesthetic of creating a digital pastiche of the actors this way; new SLIDERS content with those characters should either have actors playing the roles (original or recast) or feature writers bringing the characters to life in prose. A simulacrum of Jerry, Sabrina, Cleavant and John is only ever an impression and an imitation rather than a genuine portrayal. Mark Hamill's Luke Skywalker in THE MANDALORIAN and THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT may be a technical marvel, but it has absolutely no acting; it's just repurposing Hamill's old audiobooks and animating old photos.

As someone who has spent a lot of time watching Jerry, Sabrina, Cleavant and John, it was never (entirely) about just typing out their lines. It was instead about capturing how they made me feel.

Jerry O'Connell is 48 years old but has the impetuous energy of a 10 year old. In my fanfics, wanted to capture Quinn's pensiveness and improvisational spirit first and recreating Jerry's line delivery -- the weighty burden of wisdom matched with the thoughtful thrill of adventure -- that's important, but without the characterization beneath it, it would have been an imitation of Jerry's line deliveries without the heart of Quinn Mallory.

Sabrina has this openness in her presence: openly earnest, openly defiant, and I wanted to render how she made Wade a person who wears her heart on her sleeve in ways that can be very low key but also extremely aggressive when pushed.

Cleavant has this brilliance to his performance where he's playing a kidnap victim who is helpless and traumatized, but Cleavant's comedic sensibilities make Rembrandt's situation funny instead of terrifying and disturbing. I wanted that pinpoint perfect sense of comedy to my version of Rembrandt. Too many well-meaning fanfic writers give Rembrandt vaguely ebonics-based dialogue or have him end every sentence with "girl" or "Q-Ball" without thinking about Cleavant's masterful grasp of tone within a scene.

I guess the Professor is actually quite straightforward: he's verbose and bombastic and egotistical, but it's also important to indicate that the Professor has known terrible suffering and tragedy in his life as well as humiliation and disrespect. His pompous, blustering manner conceals insecurity and a painful sense of failure -- although I didn't do a great job with it because my Professor Arturo is generally the cool old man, a wise sage who has almost no dark side whatsoever. The Professor, to me, is Professor Dumbledore. He is Gandalf. He's Temporal Flux. He's Dad. The perfectly imperfect father.

Ultimately, I think SLIDERS should be more than just animating old photos and sound clips, even as fanfic. It might be a neat proof of concept, but I don't want to see an AI recomposition of the original quartet. I'd rather the actors play them.

I cannot stress enough in the name of Quinn's flannel, Rembrandt's shiny jacket, Wade's sweater and the Professor's bow-tie that the opinions of ireactions do not represent those of SLIDERS.tv.

I love how you described each character of sliders.  You really should write the definitive SLIDERS book about the series...

And understand and respect your POV on this.   However, I would argue that technology could provide a great sandbox for finding the right creative approach for fan-fic sliders  work.  You iterate.   It isn't capital intensive (theoretically).  And you correct mistakes and have a real working model  (prototype) to "see" what your last draft is, so you can improve it each time.

It goes without saying that if that working  with the actors again was  a possibility, by anyone, well that  is overwhelmingly the preferred option.  But short of that --  let's face it, it's not really a possibility anymore -- we are left with either the status quo or  new ways to "imagine" it actually happening.

But I understand it might be sacrilege to some.  I prefer to think of it as the creative universe that keeps giving.

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Has anyone watched The Periphery on Amazon Prime.  I was really impressed with the pilot.

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Shroedinger

I'm watching pilot part 2 on Roku Channel which got sliders content as part of their agreement for peacock app to be distributed in the Roku app store.

The quality looks so incredibly bad.   Universal continues to sabotage the shelf life of the series by distributing lesser quality than possibly versions of the series.

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Another new AI art generator popping up.  Eventually will be useful for sliders fan fic.

https://muse-model.github.io/

The edit feature on an image is particularly interesting.

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TemporalFlux wrote:

The explanation is that we as an audience were almost role playing as Sliders.  No matter how strange or awful the slide was, we kept jumping into the vortex each week hoping that the next slide would bring us back home to the show we used to love.

I think this is great analysis, and also why I've made the argument that the show held strong ratings (relatively) for Sci-Fi channel even in S5.   The thing is, because SLIDERS is a new world every week in procedural format, there's ALWAYS the possibility that the show could tap into the potential of its premise and deliver an intriguing, thought-provoking episode.  A serial drama, you can know to "stop" watching at a certain point.  But SLIDERS always had the possibility to deliver.

I do admit though back in the 90s/2000 I was not able to keep up.  When it moved to science channel, I didn't really tune in live to see it (and I am not sure the re-run schedule but not much of that either).  So I myself was not loyal and hardcore but always wanted it to keep going.

I did feel a lot of the magic was lost by season 3.

Sci-Fi channel dropped it because Jerry and Charlie were gone and they felt they had to find new originals that the network could stand on rather than toil in a non-breakout hit that was veering toward descending.

However, for the most part, the extra budget they got by cutting SLIDERS didn't produce a better ROI for  them.  They got a lot of new shows that didn't work.   I understand why they felt they had to move away from it.  They couldn't afford to try to re-invent the show and it was gonna be hard to make the show good when you do a world-of-the-week on the same universal backlot.   And they were not going to be able to bring in some new star actor to the cast, given the tight budget.

I understand why they canceled it -- they needed to focus on bets with upside.  At the same time, I'll also say in the end, the decision didn't pay off.  Sliders -- with its great premise -- was drawing them at least some core of a sci-fi fan base (this is why they acquired it for two seasons originally -- so they could launch new shows off of the audience it would  bring).

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Lego_Sliders wrote:

What is your opinion on the book, RCLF?


I've read about half of it and thought it was well done but as I recall, ireactions strongly is not a fan. 


I think every sliders fan should give it a shot, and see what they think.  I assume Tracy was happy with what Linaweaver did with it, since they maintained a relationship.

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great stuff

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https://archive.org/details/slidersnovel00lina

You can "borrow" the book and ready a digital scan of it (as well as have an AI audio player read the text).

For anybody who doesn't  have a physical copy yet and is interested in checking it out, this is a great (free) option.

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The Lost Art of Forehead Sweat was really such a classic episode.

The irony is die-hards loved it and casual viewers did not.   I think a lot of what hardcore fans vs. the casual audience wanted was in conflict at times.

Is anybody here familiar with Table Top Role Playing Games.   I knew of D&D ( i guess that qualifies?) but didn't really understand the market / active audience around this.

There  is a company called Free League that has licensed numerous properties (including Amazon's Tales From the Loop): https://freeleaguepublishing.com/

The games seem to be niche market, high priced producted ($50 to $100) that attracts a loyal "geek" audience who just loves this stuff.  Since SLIDERS has very high brand familiarity, and a choose-your-own adventure element, I am wondering if SLIDERS may be a good fit for a game publisher.

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I haven't seen Fight For the Future in a year or so won't comment on that.  Although I always liked the big set pieces to it.

I Want To Believe I always actually was not much of a fan of because how dark the subject matter and content was.   It just didn't bother me in the same way in my rewatch the other day.

What I loved was how it made me really think about the concept of faith.  I enjoyed the ambiguity as well.  That's much more what life is like and what faith is like.   I don't think the movie gave me answers but allowed me to dwell / think through the concepts.  And it worked for me as a standalone film or an x files entry because, well, faith is at the center of the x files universe.

That said I understand it's not a film that's everyone's cup of tea. It wasn't even mind up until this point.  But I took a lot out of it this time around and I also appreciated the locations and cinematography.

I see you updated your post to include As Time Goes By

Definitely gains there.  It looks like a 10 percent lift maybe 15.  I would say Seasons Greedings looked 5 to 10 from the screen shots.


It really is too bad we don't have a better source for season 1.

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ireactions wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

I honestly don't remember thinking it was as well done as I did on the last watch.  Maybe my age.  Either way was quite an interesting story.   Far better than the super hero schlock of today.

I fundamentally disagree with this on every level. The entire thesis of THE X-FILES seems to be: you can't make a difference. No one can make a difference. Mulder can't do anything about the alien invasion except talk about it. Scully can't seem to get anywhere in her career: no matter how many times she gets fired or quit, she ends up working at the most disdained department in the FBI.

Even the evil characters can't seem to accomplish anything on THE X-FILES. The alien invasion is never coming; the Syndicate is constantly referring to how "the date is set" and "they're coming, they're here, they've been here for a long time, they're only coming back" and then Season 10 went and declared that the alien invasion was never happening at all and all those ominous, mysterious men were wasting their time.

In addition, THE X-FILES also seemed to be unable to grasp the concept of education. Mulder and Scully never seemed to collate and accumulate their details on the monsters or the Syndicate: by Season 11, they were as incapable of stopping monsters as they were in Season 1.

This is the antithesis of a superhero movie. The superhero movie declares: we can all make a difference and anyone can be a hero. Even the most obnoxious or easily dismissed or ordinary can be heroes. Tony Stark is a drunken moron tripping on ego and liquor; when stripped of his wealth and luxuries and forced to survive, he discovers he has what it takes to battle war itself.

Dr. Donald Blake seems to be a crazy person who thinks he's the Norse God of Thunder and here to help people; it turns out he actually is Thor. Steve Rogers is a washout and a reject who can't find shoes small enough to fit the feet on his frail frame; he is determined to battle Nazis and is given a body that is as strong as his decency of character. Everyone has it in them to be a hero; it's just that not everyone looks hard enough or digs deep enough to find it.

And I know what some will say: well, that's a fairy tale. THE X-FILES is far more realistic (because yes, a TV show about aliens made of black oil colonizing the Earth with bees and supersoldiers is truly very grounded), THE X-FILES' cynicism is believable. But cynicism is easy. Despair and depression and giving up are the easiest options for a person and for a storyteller. It is much harder to tell superhero stories than it is to tell X-FILES stories.

One of the hardest parts of writing the TV show SUPERNATURAL, I think: it has to be finding a way for Sam and Dean to find some solution to beat the monsters of the week, to defeat Lucifer, and to, in the final season, take on God Himself. But THE X-FILES takes the easy way out by never having Mulder and Scully triumph.

Writing THE X-FILES is shooting fish in a barrel: raise mysteries and don't resolve them, create monsters and don't find a way to stop them, have two lead characters passively wander through the story and accomplish nothing whatsoever. Superheroes take much more talent.

I cannot stress enough in the name of Quinn's cat, Wade's teddy bear, Rembrandt's shiny suit and Arturo's bow tie that the opinions of ireactions are not the views of Sliders.TV.

If x files was never a tv series and I Want To Believe didn't have the name x files in it, you would still feel the same?

I think it works well... Either for a x files film or as a standalone creative work.

Out if curiosity do bluray or tv upscalers ever convert a 720 source to 1080 eg if you have a specific setting on?

I do recall in your old experiments you tried upscaling in multiple stages.  An uoconvert to 720 followed by 1080.  I wonder if you did it in turbine though? Maybe something to check if you haven't is converting the 720 there (say 30 seconds of it) to 1080 via artemis to see if you can turn that 5 to 10 percent gain you achieved into something more.

Or maybe as I recall doing it in stages had no better results than one stage and 1080 was more than it could handle.

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I honestly don't remember thinking it was as well done as I did on the last watch.  Maybe my age.  Either way was quite an interesting story.   Far better than the super hero schlock of today.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

The movie that starts out in Dallas featuring very prominent mountains in the background? big_smile

Is that Fight for the Future or I Want T Believe?


I watched the lattet

ireactions wrote:

I don't recall doing more with Turbine's Season 2 beyond the second Daelin segment of "As Time Goes By", and I lost my enthusiasm for upscaling SLIDERS because if Season 1 doesn't look good, what's the point of upscaling any other episode? I also didn't work on it enough to figure out if AI upscaling was any better than on-the-fly smoothing and sharpening. However, it looks like Season 2 does upscale really well and benefits from AI upscaling and not just some non-adaptive filters.

I did attempt to upscale every Season 1 episode with Turbine at which point I realized Turbine's Season 1 video quality was actually worse than Universal's Season 1.

I'm just doing some experiments out of curiosity. I have the feeling that Topaz won't be able to do much with the Turbine versions of Seasons 3, 4 and 5 since those benefitted from advancements in digital videotape while Season 2 was using digital videotape in its earliest form.

Ok maybe I just assumed s2 was a part of that process.  I do distinctly remember turbine ironically being worse than universal for s1 and the realization s1 wasn't that compressed on the universal disc.


Another thing I recall is our conversation around episodes being shot differently and a few of them being on the darker / dimly lit side.

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Watched the directors cut of the first x files movie the other day
   
Thought it was excellent.  Was surprised to see it's only 2.5 minutes different than the original.

ireactions wrote:

"As Time Goes By" finished. I can report that the AI-upscaled Turbine file looks astonishingly good and well beyond on-the-fly filters for SD upscaling. Topaz has resolved the mild fuzziness and transformed all of the blockiness in the Turbine file into crisp, crystalline detail. Also, the new grain effect prevents the waxy look of earlier upscales.

Turbine has added film grain texture to offset the waxy effect of my previous upscales. I was really impressed by how the Pilot episode, being shot and edited on film, could be AI-restored to 1080p and its original film look thanks to Topaz's new film grain feature. This 720p version of "As Time Goes By" looks as crisp as the film-look of the restored Pilot, although I did have to up the grain layer by 25 percent. I don't think a 1080p upscale would quite as sharp, however, as "As Time Goes By" was shot on film but transferred to 1996-era 540 line videotape.

The AI upscale definitely looks better than the Turbine version on an upscaling TV. The small, blocky texture on the the Turbine image looked nice at living room distance; it looked like film grain. However, the AI has converted that into sharper detail and texture: the grainy approximation of texture has become actual texture for dirt on the ground, for the actors' skin. It captures the sharpness of HD quality at edges, although it still doesn't have the fine detail of a true HD image. The wide shots still have a bit of telltale AI-imprecision although the grain effect has offset it so it doesn't distract. 1080p would probably make the lack detail and the wide shot issues more prominent.

Currently upscaling "Season's Greedings". I don't know if Turbine can this one better than the TV's on-the-fly upscaler, however. Season 3 seems to be using a 1997 digital videotape format for editing and effects that seems to capture even more of the original film's detail in a downscaled state.

It's truly ironic: each subsequent season of SLIDERS seemed to get crisper, sharper and more detailed even as the writing production became clumsier, shoddier and shabbier. The better SLIDERS' image quality became, the less it had to show.

This is great news but forgive me for misremembering....  turbine season 2 were already a part of older upscaling experiments.

I Understand the algorithms have been upgraded to add grain since those attpts but what is new about this upres vs the one earlier this year that has rendered much better results?

ireactions wrote:

Well, I wonder, with Season 1: what if the solution is to aim for 480p instead of aiming for 720p or 1080p or 4K?

I have recently been upscaling a 2000s TV show called 15/LOVE which is another shot on film, edited on digital videotape product. The low budget videotape is not really adequate for a 720p upscale and it looks like a slightly below average DVD. I found that when aiming for 480p only and just using Topaz to sharpen up the details and add film grain, it went to excellent DVD quality, but aiming higher than that would have caused too much warping as the AI didn't have enough film grain to enhance. Could high quality DVD level video be achievable with the Season 1 episodes?

I personally don't see the point of making Seasons 2 - 5 look HD if Season 1 is only ever going to be SD; I'd say identify the best that can be done with Season 1 and then ensure Seasons 2 - 5 match that. No one needs to see a pristine rendering of the radioactive worm in Season 3 while only getting a fuzzy rendering of Quinn and Wade's first date.

A high quality DVD would be lovely for season 1.  I agree it is a perverse idea to strive for an HD like S3 while also having a far inferior s1 on hand. 

Although, I believe the samples as we have for s1, with some adjustments to color/contrast and when watching from afar, are certainly an order of magnitude or two better than the universal dvd and give me great pleasure.

The close up shots as well are certainly like a good dvd.   This is where we get the biggest gains, and that is a non-trivial achievement.  Some of the smoothing is a bit much yea, but at least it is clean, sharper, more alive, more realistic.

For me, the biggest issue with the season 1 in the dvd releases has been a combination of non-vibrant (faded) colors, fuzzy, blotchyness to the edges/lines (any text on screen makes this particularly obvious), and too much of a darker look (which makes me feel like I am watching a poorly preserved film from the 70s).   

I don't recall where our conversations netted out earlier in the year, but I seem to recall talk that the Universal dvd actually was  better for s1 than turbine (perhaps maybe just in my opinion, or maybe we both agreed), and the  pilot itself as well.  Maybe I am misremembering.    I do also recall perhaps thinking S2 was better for Turbine than Universal, but still not looking quite the way we'd like it.

I also recall that the frame rate created a movement/ghost affect with the PAL format.  I am sure different tvs and dvd players that we are outputing on all play a role in the ultimate quality.

All interesting observations.

As it happens, just a few days ago, I had a dream in which I was taking in an upscale of SLIDERS and Season 1 was looking great.

I continue to believe that the technology will continuously improve until we can get a better approximation of how Season 1 looked when it was shot on film.

I have lost all hope that SLIDERS audience is big enough to justify a re-scan of the negative and re-edit (through automatic, imagine-matching means) because even at a very low cost at $15k per episode, the market is just not there with SLIDERS fans.  Yes, there is passion around it but so many fans are not attached to the series the way we all are here.  The type of people who would shell out $50 to $100 for an s1 blu-ray are limited in number.  Five years ago we had a better chance but every year, people care less and less.  For those who would, I feel like we have a much deeper relationship with the show and characters, in a way that connects us to a feeling we get from it, that was built into us 25 years ago.

If I ever came into money (which I won't, but if I did...) I would consider partnering with a blu-ray company myself, pay for a license to re-release it on blu-ray and do a new scan through that means.  I guess we could always keep pushing Turbine, to push Universal.   I just don't think Turbine could sell enough units to cover the costs in any case.

Now if Universal valued the old show, and wanted to bring it back with the older characters, maybe they'd consider it but not now.  Peacock at this point is a giant failure of a business.   They are not going to be able to do many originals and rely on premium subscription revenue.  There's only so many streaming platforms people are willing to subscribe to and Peacock is like in 4th or 5th place.

Regarding Topaz, I continue to also wonder about if the Gaia algorithm would yield better results for some of the content.   I also, if I ever get into time (to not have to constantly deal with economic worry), will one day try to embark on a project to edit these things from different material.  With the Wide Shots using a difference algorithm / source than the close ups.   Although, I think the  water color wideshots are pretty tolerable at living room distance.     I guess I'm at a point where I feel like the closer we can bring SLIDERS back to looking "new" and crisp, the closer we are to having it back again, as if it were fully in our lives the way it was 25 years ago.   I know for me, it is definitely a series that gave me so much comfort when it aired... it was an escape, it was great characters that worked together to get out  of the situations they were in as a team, it tapped into the possibilities of how our world could look, it had the young physics student that felt a little bit like us, it had the wise, at times sardonic, professor who brought elder, leader feel but had his own imperfections. 

I don't know, but I definitely dream of us getting one day a true HD version of this great show, particularly the early material.   Already, the samples of the past topaz work has allowed me to re-live the series again, see it "new", see it not as a fuzzy, dated memory, but to re-witness it again.   It has helped me profoundly enjoy the series in a way I otherwise would not have.  When we first watched this series, on our 4:3 tube tvs, it looked great.   There was no compression, the colors were there, and those tvs were a lot more forgiving.  It's helped bring it back to that experience.  That's part of the challenge as well now.  Our newer TVs are bigger pictures, more lines of resolution, etc etc.  And we're dealing with a poorly archived S1 and to a similar but lesser degree S2.