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ireactions wrote:

ELLIE: "Is this about that TV show you like? The one about time travellers?"

https://s-marketwatch-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/s.marketwatch.com/public/resources/images/MW-IG176_DocBro_ZH_20200508152409.jpg

lol - you two sound like a lot of fun!  smile

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Was watching one of the news shows tonight, and they were throwing around accusations that the San Francisco city government is paying to provide drugs and alcohol to the homeless so that they will stay in the hotel rooms they’ve been sequestered in.  I have no idea if any of that is true, but the segment ended with the quip - “if this keeps up, the only people who’ll live in San Francisco are the homeless.”  That led to me to the seed of a parallel reality idea.

So the pandemic has led many businesses to have employees work from home.  This has left many buildings in downtown business districts vacant.  We’ve also seen from many tv shows, celebrities broadcasting from home are very dressed down (unshaven, mussed hair, no make-up).  I believe that behavior to be intentional (celebrities purposefully trying to seem relatable during this crisis), but the picture is that working at home seems to be an excuse to let yourself go.

So let’s carry this forward through time if the spirit of these changes just stay this way.  People won’t need suits and dress clothes any longer, so they’ll donate them to charity.  More homeless will likely appear due to lack of jobs, but the now vacant buildings in downtown could be taken by the city government and converted to rudimentary housing.

Looking at a snap shot in time, you could see a world where the people in business suits walking around downtown are actually the homeless - and the shabby people walking around the edges of society are the people who have jobs and money.   A total reverse of a societal norm with an almost plausible explanation; and also a perfect opening for some Sliders to end up on skid row when they thought they were going somewhere different.  It could also be a good opportunity to explore what it’s like to be homeless when you never expected to be (as Sliders become when they’re lost).

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Somebody showed me this deep fake - I think they could pull it off for real!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OJnkJqkyio

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Flash should have been the hardest hit by the Crisis changes because it was so dependent on parallel worlds.  But the one thing that seems to be important here is that the post-Crisis Team Flash never had a Harrison Wells.  Ever.  Until now.

All of the Harrison Wells in the series were parallel universe doppelgängers that now no longer ever existed.  Cisco and Caitlyn would have been left to figure everything out alone.  This also brings up an interesting question about the Savitar saga (if it still happened) - who died in Iris’s place?  It wasn’t a Harrison Wells.

Another big change post Crisis - Barry never had Jay Garrick.  All of the season two Zoom story is out the window; but the valuable thing lost is that later discussion Jay had with Barry about time travel.  Without Jay to explain it to him, Barry would have likely damaged time more severely before he stopped; and as a result, Barry would feel even more guilty about it.  Barry may have been so consumed that he couldn’t face past mistakes.

But I believe that’s the issue - post-Crisis Barry was missing some important support structures that taught him lessons and helped him grow.  I don’t know how much they’ll delve into it, but I think our Barry is a lot more mature than the post-Crisis version he replaced.

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Slide Override wrote:

Some of those concepts presented I couldn't say if I would personally love them or not, both the style of how it was executed and having meaningful / significant payoff, plays a huge role in the outcome of concepts ... but I do know that I would have at least enjoyed the ride!

And as things evolve during the script process, they can easily grow.  Everyone has their own process, but I tend to start with one scene and build everything out from there.  When originally conceived as a pure Sliders story, my only thought about game show world was the scene where Arturo has to return something through customer service and play Password.  Starting with that core, I then figure how we get to that scene and how we exit from the situation it creates.

For the second episode of Declassified, the one scene in my mind’s eye was the government’s secret menagerie of nightmares collected for study from parallel worlds.  Cell after cell filled with living fire and Zercuvian flat-landers and the like; all kept with the intent to weaponize or otherwise co-opt for the US government.

To escape their predicament, the Sliders hit the switch to open all the doors and release the chaos.  But the one scene to build on?  A cell opens, and the camera starts near the floor panning upward in a slow, ominous manner.  A figure steps forward.  We are panning up as it spreads its arms and puffs its chest soaking in the power of its freedom.  We pan up to the face now fully feeling this must be a “big bad”.  We see the face.  It is an “Invasion” era Kromagg.

Then we hear a clunk sound. The Kromagg jerks.  It’s been hit in the back of the head and falls to the floor unconscious.  This reveals Gibbs standing behind it with a now dented fire extinguisher.  While looking down at the Kromagg, Gibbs exclaims,

“I’m NOT gonna go through THAT again!”

And that would be the last time we ever see any Kromagg or monster in my version of Sliders.  lol.  Of course, by that point we would know Gibbs is a seasoned Slider; the implication is that he must have dealt with them before just like we did as viewers.

Slide Override wrote:

Have you written anything of your own? I would love to read more of your work.

I have done a few other things, but I still hold hope that some of them may be published one day. As a result I’ll keep them to myself for now.

My favorite of them is something I pitched to Marvel Comics.  Usually a writer is writing a Marvel character hoping to leave some little stamp on the trademarked character; but I came to realize that my idea was actually unique, and I was trying to get Marvel to put their stamp on it.  There’s really no need for that.

I tried a few submissions to Marvel, though.  At the time Marvel had some “Unlimited” series meant to showcase short stories from new talent.  I decided to take a stab at X-men.  The guidance from Marvel then was that X-men was meant as an allegory for teen angst.  I had always thought the X-men was an allegory for civil rights, so that was a head scratcher; but if they wanted teen angst, I would give them teen angst.

Below is the submission titled “Reflections”.  It’s in a different format than the Declassified script, so hopefully it will display correctly:

https://www.docdroid.net/ivrsLeK/unlimited-x1-doc

The script was rejected, but Marvel said it was because they were not accepting new characters at that time.  In hindsight, I think Marvel was planning for their cinematic future.  Any new character in an X-men story could only be exploited by Fox due to the licensing agreement in place.  Marvel was wanting characters they could exploit for themselves through their coming movie studio.

Another of my favorite purely Marvel ideas was a Spider-man story that I never expanded into a formal script.  The idea was to present a perspective about how we view police men and women, but doing so through Spider-man.

Some in society use the police as a tool to “scare their kids straight”, but that sends the wrong message in my opinion.  Though there are bad eggs, the police are often the only people who will help you; and if you are too frightened to ask, then you may have thrown away your chance for help.

The story would have featured a child in the Marvel Universe.  To discipline her child, the mother would use Spider-man as a bogeyman - “if you don’t behave, then Spider-man is going to get you.”  The problem?  This child’s bedroom is directly underneath Peter Parker’s apartment; so every night, the terrified child sees Spider-man crawl by his window.

The child grows up.  One day in New York, he rounds a corner to find Spider-man in pitched battle with Mysterio - the villain who can make all fears come to life.  Spider-man attempts to remove the now grown child from danger, but he fights back in a panic flailing against the fear that Spider-man was about “to get him”.  The distraction leads to Spider-man being injured and in danger of dying.  Can childhood fear be overcome to save a life?  Will there finally be a realization of who the good guy really is?  Anyway, I thought it was an interesting idea to explore.

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I am growing more concerned about the direction we are taking in response to this virus.

https://dot.la/coronavirus-usc-app-2645887533.html

This is a shade, a beginning, of the social credit scoring system used in China.  The China system builds an aggregate score based on everything - financial history, employment history, social media history, medical history, etc. For instance, if your body mass index is too high (you’re overweight), then you aren’t allowed to ride the subway so that you’re forced to walk more. You may even be restricted on where you can eat or what you can buy all under the thought of “this is what’s best for you.”  The problem is, who is deciding what’s best for *you*?  You should decide that - the decision should not be made for you by taking your choices away.

We’ve been inching towards this for years in the US (such as Mayor Bloomberg banning Big Gulps for our “own good”), but this virus may push it over the edge.

https://pics.me.me/boy-did-i-call-it-or-what-george-orwell-64205480.png

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Slide Override wrote:

Anyway, just my immediate thoughts about reading.

All in all, Declassified is a really good idea that was written extremely well. With some tweaks, I personally feel like it would have been great and definitely has a lot of potential.

Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts; and you hit on something that’s definitely true.  I knew realistically that this would be a one off film if it even happened at all, but I couldn’t help myself - I crafted it with the idea that it would be an ongoing series.  As such, there were areas left unexplored and unexplained along with seeds planted for future revelations.  A second episode would have picked up where we concluded as though the second part of a movie.

I also followed an inspiration (or lesson) from another work - the Nicholas Cage film “Adaptation”. Truly, I don’t think this was a very good movie, but that seemed to be the point.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptation_(film)

The movie begins to meander into the weeds as it goes on, but it takes a turn when Cage’s character seeks out an experienced author for advice.  The author explains that you must have a simple goal for a story - you must have a character that goes on a journey to find themselves changed some way in the end.  Without that, the story is just a bunch of stuff that happened.

Working from that principle, I fashioned this story as a journey for Alli.  She begins believing she will find adventure but grows to learn that the actual experience she jumped into can be frustrating and mundane.  Even in another reality, life is still life.

Future stories were intended to follow the same journey model.  Episode two would be Gibbs’s journey.  Episode three would be Reese’s journey.

When I originally wrote Sliders: Declassified, I also wrote some notes about where the future would lead (in some cases over a long period of time - like a season or series wide arc).  You can read them below.  I will warn that they may make you unhappy; but like all ideas, nothing was set in stone.

http://freepdfhosting.com/ea01747f41.pdf

With regard to Bennish, you are definitely correct about my presentation of him; and you’ll see that in those notes.  In truth, I was not sure Bennish would even be a permanent part of a cast - the series idea was built around the other three.  But Bennish was chosen as a kind of touchstone to the original show that would get us started.  Also, while the hope was for Jason Gaffney to take part; I was also hedging my bets.  If you could find the right actor, you may be able to pull off a “good enough for fan film” Bennish with a wig, sunglasses and a goatee.

Another interesting note about Bennish comes in the years that followed the original draft of Declassified.  It became clear over time that a fan film wasn’t going to happen; so I considered making it an online comics strip series.  I was inspired by The Ten Doctors on Rich’s ComixBlog:

https://comics.shipsinker.com/downloads/

It was a simplistic pencil drawing presentation as storyboards.  No splash pages or creative arrangements; just a grid of boxes filled with story.  I contacted Rich about adapting Declassified, but he was not interested; so I then tried some other artists.  During that search, artist Michelle Bridges did some preliminary work but ultimately did not go forward.

It was during this phase that I re-thought Bennish a little.  With the time that had passed, Bennish was likely pushing forty by the time of Declassified.  What would he be like at that age?  I had the idea that Bennish’s worst nightmare had come to pass - he was losing his hair.  But not content to accept it, he took action.

In 1995, Bennish looked like he could have stepped out of the counter culture of 1965.  Following that scale, a Bennish in 2010 would look like he stepped out of 1980.  What was the counter culture movement in 1980?  Punk.  What if Bennish shaved half of his head clean but left his remaining long hair hanging down one side?  He could have the recognizable profile at one angle, but a new dimension of character added.  Bennish could be a man struggling to accept middle age.

Though not exactly what I envisioned, Michelle created this mock up for the look I’m talking about:

http://freepdfhosting.com/69698c2421.pdf

In any case, I thought you may enjoy some more insight into where it could have been going.  The entire thing was really just a fun thought exercise for me; it made me feel like I did when I was explaining plot holes in the show.

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Recently, Grizzlor started a discussion about how to revisit Sliders.  My response noted that it should be a continuation with new characters, but I don’t believe that really conveys my feelings on it.

On this forum in 2007 / 2008, SL4ever (Dexter Goad) posted that he wanted to make a fan film based on Sliders.  The budget would be non-existent; there was likely no chance one of the original actors would take part (at the very best, maybe one could be convinced).  But the idea sparked something in me.  If you had to strip Sliders down to its very core with little to no resources to pull from - how would you do it?  It was a challenging thought exercise that led me to fully examine why I loved Sliders.

And “Sliders: Declassified” was written in May 2008.

To take you back to that time for a moment, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were still in a heated primary contest with the winner unknown.  Nouriel Roubini (the financial expert known as Dr. Doom) was on cable news talking of a coming housing market crash that would plunge the world into a devastating recession.  The other commentators openly laughed at him.  And not to forget, 13 years had passed since four regular people in a San Francisco basement fell through a vortex to become lost in the multiverse.

So, why do I love Sliders?  Below is my response:


http://freepdfhosting.com/dbc626c123.pdf



A special thank you to ireactions for his help in editing, formatting and title graphic designs.

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I can only think of one way their social distancing plan might work in the Arrowverse; and even it wouldn’t work well over a long term.

They could have each show rewind with characters having to re-live a past season; and then they could deep fake the hell out of it to make it new.  It would be a kind of “meet me half way” between live action and animation; but faster and less expensive than animation.

For instance, the only person in the room filming this Forest Gump scene was Tom Hanks; but it looks like a fully populated scene

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7e/0a/78/7e0a78a2fb437d657212ab96e5ec61d4.jpg

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Truly...that sounds like some awful television.  But it would be a new level of irony to see Flash using Zoom.

Grizzlor wrote:

Depends on what medium they're going for.  Peacock service needs content, though one would assume the budget wouldn't be great on there, though Sliders proved over and over again that wasn't a showstopper.

Peacock is planning a new Battlestar Galactica for their service, and that’s likely not cheap.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/movies/ba … ease-date/

ireactions wrote:

Congratulations! I wonder what single item I'd be willing to spend $402.11 on.

...

Auto body repair work.

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/a1b7129c950433c9919f5670c92ef83aa1c682d9/55_344_1971_1183/master/1971.jpg?width=700&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=ab166fc24298a3d65b21148c434767ba

I imagine the buyer was more interested in the attached production documents (or maybe just a big Del Rubio sisters fan).  My main interest would be in documentation of filming locations; but I got out of that whole game a long time ago.

For each person, the question comes down to why do you love Sliders?  Is it the characters?  The actors?  The overall concept?  The writing?  Is it the brand? (which includes everything - especially the name).

I think the brand is important because it draws in people.  The fond memory is there labeled as Sliders; and millions of people watched Sliders on Fox.  There is pop culture that can keep it alive in people too (as I’ve noted on this board several times, that little blue vortex still occasionally pops up in shows sending people to other dimensions; and I don’t believe that to be a coincidence).

To give an example of why I feel brand is important, I would cite the original Knight Rider vs Viper.  Both shows feature a man and his super car fighting crime.  Both shows can be considered successful - Viper lasted for four seasons on network and in syndication - Viper made people some money.  But how many of you even remembered Viper until I brought it up now?  I bet you’ve remembered Knight Rider more despite its failed reboots that didn’t respect the brand.

I’m really not interested in some other show that evokes a legally distinct echo of what I’ve loved. It would be extremely hard to capture my heart as a fan; that space is already filled.  I would only be left comparing the pretender to what I loved; and it would likely never live up to that memory.  The same can be true of a total brand reboot; but at least the brand is there to draw you in and give it a chance.

I would note an exception in Orville, though; and I was initially repulsed by the idea.  The only reason I tried it was because of the creators involved, and they didn’t disappoint.

So, what would I like to see with Sliders?  A continuation with new characters that play in the same multiverse as the original series.  It could retain the brand; give the new show room to live and breathe; and leave the door open to occasionally visit the memories as more than a subtle wink.  It would be part of the family and not a stranger at the door.

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Could this be the escape clause?

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news … tion-69495

On Monday, officials in New York announced the cancellation of the state’s Democratic presidential primary, calling the event “essentially a beauty contest,” and a risk to public health in the face of the coronavirus pandemic.

...

Although Bernie Sanders is officially out of the race, Biden does not yet have an overall majority of convention delegates. As of April 27, the former vice president has 1,305 of the 1,991 delegates needed to clinch a first-round coronation at the party’s convention. New York offered 320 delegates up for grabs, 274 pledged to the primary winner; a prize that would have brought Biden closer to the nomination.

If New York’s decision triggers other states to cancel their own primaries, it is entirely possible that Biden could arrive at the Democratic convention without a guarantee of the nomination. 

Assuming the convention begins without a majority of delegates pledged to Biden, the nomination process, during which delegates conduct floor votes, would become a live-fire exercise, rather than a pro forma step in Biden’s coronation as nominee.

If Biden does not secure a majority on the first ballot, delegates could offer another candidate from the floor.

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I had wondered what label they would give an economic downturn following the Coronavirus shut down.  I bet this one will stick - “The Great Repression” (since we technically did it on purpose):

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-g … 2020-04-27

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An interesting new piece of evidence:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/2 … deo-207670

Confirming that’s her mother may be challenging, but the details given by the caller are compelling.  It was apparently believed to be bad enough behavior then to lead to her mother making that call.

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I agree that Weaker Sex was more focused on the male perspective, but I get the impression that the original idea teased in that article may have been a little too much on the female side.  To capture both perspectives and draw in viewers, I would try looking at a more common ground.  What do men and women argue about?  Give something both can relate to so that viewers are engaged; and then take the opportunity to maybe get them to see things from a different perspective.

One example would be from an article I read years ago - the argument over what to eat.  The woman usually asks the man, and then the man often says it doesn’t matter to him and defers to the woman to try to please her.  This instead has the opposite effect and angers the woman.  And if the man does present a decision, the woman starts giving other options which angers the man because he thought the problem was solved but she wouldn’t seem to accept it.

Why does this happen?  The article presented that what the woman is looking for is options to choose from - not to be told what to do or have it thrown back to her to decide alone, but instead be given options she can pick from.

So how do you use this to present a different way of looking at things through an alternate reality where women dominate?  Maybe you could have a world where everything is polled.  Arturo goes to buy an ice cream; he makes his decision; but the clerk presents three other options before allowing him to buy. This starts to annoy Arturo who demands his ice cream; and then the clerk says he needs to fill out a satisfaction survey.  Arturo loses his cool.

The theme would be “How Arturo learned to love and loathe the poll”.  Keeping the election plot line, we could see that primaries aren’t used on this world - for instance, you could have 3 Democrats to choose from on general Election Day.  Arturo would be the unusual sole candidate for his party; polls showing that people like his solitary strength as one, clear choice that cuts through what many voters have come to see as a muddy process of uncertainty.  This then leads to the crying stunt to throw the election and shatter what people perceived Arturo to be.  Arturo would no longer be an easy, quantifiable certainty.

It’s not much different than what we got, but it opens a door for discussion of why primaries are not used on this world.  Then we can explore what women want and how Arturo’s decision to cry ultimately didn’t give him what he wanted (losing the election).  Why?  Because after the crying, women were given their multiple options to choose from in one man - the ability to choose drew them in where they were previously repulsed by his one dimension.

Anyway, one rough idea of how the differing viewpoints could be presented.  There’s a lot to mine there in the differences between how men and women think; and better avenues than just plugging a woman into the bully mentality or sexual predator stereotype.

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I do believe masks in public should be mandatory for the time being, and I realize that contradicts my earlier statements on the Bill of Rights.  But I would point to US laws requiring people to wear seat belts while driving (the car being put in gear as the line in the sand).  Should a person have the freedom to decide if they want to wear a seat belt?  There are arguments.  But they’ve been tested in lower courts:

https://www.cga.ct.gov/PS98/rpt/olr/htm/98-R-1198.htm

Both decisions accept the argument that the legislature has a rational and reasonable basis to believe that unbelted drivers and passengers endanger the safety of others, not just themselves. For example, unrestrained drivers may be more likely to lose control of the vehicle during the accident and injure other parties. Unrestrained passengers may be thrown against the driver or others in the vehicle. In Kohrig and Hartog, the courts echoed similar decisions in other cases to the effect that preventing and reducing injuries and the societal costs associated with them are valid state interests and thus a valid exercise of the state's police power.

Rulings on constitutional issues in these situations have also stated that your constitutional rights can be limited for the public good but it must be done in the narrowest, least constraining way possible.  Wearing a seat belt while driving is a small request just like wearing a mask in public is a small request.  And like all modern cars having seat belts put in by the manufacturer (the user isn’t burdened with buying a seat belt separately), a mask is also easy to make from all types of materials.  I do wish the PSAs flooding tv would demonstrate ways people could do it with items they already own.

It’s also worth noting that failure to wear a seat belt while driving is only punishable by a fine; you are not arrested just for that.  And due to a recent US Supreme Court decision, the status of your license is not even affected if you are unable to pay the fine.  You do have to show up for the court date on your ticket, though - or else you are cited as a failure to appear and your license is then suspended (and possibly a warrant issued for your arrest).

Our basic rights can be respected while also enforcing public safety.  But arresting people for not wearing a mask?  That shouldn’t be done.  Studies have shown that if just 80% of a community wears a mask, it effectively stops spread of a virus.  And I’m confident that percentage range of people would go with obeying the law if they knew they could be fined for not doing it.

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I tend to watch both CNN and Fox because the truth usually lies in the middle of two opposing viewpoints.  Tonight, I was watching Tucker Carlson’s show on Fox; and something said did concern me.

Tucker was interviewing the governor of New Jersey, and he asked the governor a question regarding the so far limited arrests for social distancing as people attend worship services across the United States.  Tucker asked the governor, “Did you consider the Bill of Rights before imposing orders that restrict those rights?”  The governor responded “No.”  Tucker then asked what gave the governors the power and authority to suspend the Bill of Rights?  The governor replied “That’s above my pay grade - you’ll have to ask someone else.”

I know the argument - it’s for the public good that we temporarily suspend what the United States was built on.  I imagine some would angrily say “You’ll get your precious rights back soon enough!”  Is that where we’re at?  Do we have a guarantee we’ll get it back?  There’s even theoretical talk during a CNN interview with Dr. Anthony Fauci that “immunity papers” will need to be presented to rejoin society.  They checked your papers in Nazi Germany too.

We tend to rationalize giving up our rights in inches, and it reminds me of a poem by Martin Niemöller titled “First They Came”.  It was about the genesis of Nazi Germany.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.


Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.


Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.


Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

How much will we let them take before we’re unable to speak any longer?  Something to think about.

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Though the original comics were a serialized epic, the Phoenix saga had a natural break that made it a two part story; and it suffers without that.  I thought the Fox movie was okay, but it did feel a bit hollow to me.  It felt like a direct to video sequel if I had to qualify it.  For the type of story it was, it felt small - limited by something.

I’m looking forward to what Disney does with X-men now, but I don’t think they’ll revisit Phoenix, Days of Future Past, etc any time soon (if ever).  Watching the comics right now and knowing Feige is  in no hurry for X-men, I’m wondering if they’ll follow the road map Jonathan Hickman is laying out.

The House of X storyline presents many interesting ideas, but the core is the mutant story as they embrace that they stand apart from humanity and walk this gray line between heroes and villains.  After Disney uses a movie to introduce the characters and give us the alternate timelines leading up to House of X, the story could then explain a lot - mainly why we haven’t seen mutants in the MCU before now (because they were hiding on Krakoa until they were ready).  It could also easily set up the Avengers vs X-men movie rumored to be a goal for the MCU.

This is also one of the times I’m 100% behind a race swap on characters like Xavier and Magneto (rumor that they want Denzel Washington for Magnus).  In my mind, those were already black characters wearing white skin - the veiled allegory to the 60’s Civil Rights movement had defined those characters in many ways (Martin Luther King vs Malcolm X).

In any case, we’ll see.  There’s a lot of potential with X-men left; Disney doesn’t even have to touch the ground Fox already covered.

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The management of that factory waited until 240 people were sick before they shut it down?   Around 3,700 people work at that plant; so that’s around 6% of the work force.  To give perspective under that thought, that would be like waiting until we knew 20 million + people in the US were infected before we shut it down.  I said “knew” - a certainty like that plant was looking at.  I’m not talking about the ones not known.

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The thing I don’t understand is why we haven’t made masks mandatory in public for this.  The types of masks we would use don’t work well as a shield, but they work as a “catcher’s mitt”.  If you’re sick or don’t realize your sick, it stops you from spreading germs.  It’s a lot better option than destroying the world economy.

And as with everything, I know the reflex is to blame Trump; but he isn’t even needed for this.  The cities can make their own ordinances; the legislatures and governors can make their own laws.  They did it in 1918:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/americas … index.html

But the current push seems to be to not hold your local officials accountable for anything.  Contact your mayor, your city council, your state representative - ask why we’re not doing this?

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Grizzlor wrote:

Boston Globe is pay-walled TF.

Strange.  It’s not walled for me.

Well, to give an excerpt of the fun alt-history part:

James Pindell of Boston Globe staff wrote:

Superseding the federal law on elections is the 20th Amendment, which makes it clear that if the Electoral College doesn’t reelect Trump, he and Vice President Mike Pence must vacate their office on Jan. 20.

In other words, it is not Constitutionally possible for Trump to extend his term even if Congress delays the election.

But just say the Nov. 3 election was delayed past January 2021. What would happen? Here is where things could get pretty wild. Buckle up.

Without Trump or Pence around, the third in line to become president is Nancy Pelosi. Pelosi fans, however, shouldn’t get too excited about her becoming the first female president. After all, if there is no general election held before then, that means that Pelosi, who as a member of the House has a two-year term, also wouldn’t be reelected. In fact, every member of the House will no longer be in office as of Jan. 3.

This then kicks over the title of president to the fourth person in line, the US Senate pro tempore. As the longest-serving member of the majority party, Iowa Republican Chuck Grassley has that title. But Grassley won’t be president either.

That’s because 35 of the Senate’s 100 seats are up for election this year and, if their elections aren’t held, they won’t be seated by the time Jan. 20 comes around. And because 23 of the 35 seats are currently held by Republicans, the vacancies would give Democrats the Senate majority. Then, in this surreal unlikely power vacuum world, Senator Pat Leahy of Vermont — who would be 80 years old — would likely be the first president from New England since JFK.

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The short of it is, Trump doesn’t really have the power to postpone the election - the Constitution lays that power solely with Congress.  But the article below lays out some interesting scenarios. 

My favorite is a wild idea you might see on Sliders - a world where everything shakes out to see Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont become President as the next person legitimately in the line of succession come January 20, 2021.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/03/ … ronavirus/

But yeah - I feel depressed turn out and lack of passion for those supporting Biden will give it to Trump.  A new federal mail-in voting and ballot harvesting law is dead in the water - it doesn’t matter what Pelosi tries to tie it to.

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Grizzlor wrote:

I doubt a live action movie is what Don Bluth had in mind.

It wasn’t, but it looks like it led to this.  I doubt we would see this happening without that animated pitch.

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If only people had known in advance...

https://www.theminutemanblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Joe-Biden-Creepy.jpg

The “Creepy Joe” label wasn’t a random Republican attack.

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Looks like this may have actually paid off.  Netflix was one of the studios Bluth pitched the animated film to, so it likely started the discussion.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2020/03/27 … -starring/

And Ryan Reynolds as a live action Dirk the Daring could be pretty perfect.

I can’t remember if Torme has ever commented on this, but I suspect that the idea of Stephanie was revisited with Daelin Richards (season two’s “As Time Goes By”).  What leads me to suspect is that there were indications Stephanie’s boyfriend was bad for her (just like Daelin’s in some realities).

So looking at Quinn’s interaction with Daelin, I think we can get an idea of how it could play out with Stephanie.  Obviously, chemistry between different actors will vary.

RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

How about doing a read of the Sliders novel by Brad Linaweaver?

Linaweaver isn’t a very good writer or researcher, but the novel does have some value.  His novelization was based in part on the scripts for the pilot movie, so the novel does feature scenes that were filmed and not used.

Of particular interest are the scenes featuring Stephanie (Quinn’s neighborhood crush).  Though we ultimately never saw her, the part of Stephanie was played by then Melanie Pearson (now Melanie Bradshaw).  Here’s some footage of her in other shows from the 90’s era which give an idea of what her performance may or may not have been like:

https://youtu.be/CbhakL4v6UA

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ireactions wrote:

Temporal Flux said that the people voting for Trump didn't actually think Trump would help them; voting for Trump was a way to damage a government that had done nothing to help those citizens survive a collapsing economy and debilitating addiction and the breakdown of essential services and a social safety net. It was a protest vote, a scream of outrage.

I just wish the Democratic Party had attempted some introspection after the loss.  I’ve never seen them ask themselves “what did we do wrong?”  Instead, they say “Russia helped Trump cheat”; “Trump voters were uneducated”; “Hillary won the popular vote, so the Constitution must be outdated and unfair”; etc. No real attempt to learn from the failure or perform an outreach to the voters they lost - only blame.  It’s a shame.

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So has chloroquine stopped working, or is it just not being used for some reason?  I was surprised to learn about it only tonight - it’s not being reported at all.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/life/202 … icial.html

The important part at the bottom - it can work as a preventative measure blocking the virus.

Look at the date of that article - February 20.

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And here we are:

https://www.the-sun.com/news/539494/cor … med-guard/

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pilight wrote:

If today's date was October 13, Trump would "postpone" the election.  He may yet attempt to do that anyway.

You would probably want him to.  One of the things that got Trump elected was low turn out in certain areas; and this virus would depress turn out.

Trump would be better served to let the election happen as planned.  Trump’s passionate supporters would turn out; but that passion just isn’t there for Biden.  Biden’s votes have been driven by fear; and in a battle of fears, fear of getting infected is going to win.

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If today’s date was October 13, I would agree Trump is done.  But it’s happening now with eight months for it to play out before Election Day.  What does a person’s life look like in October?  I believe that’s what is going to tell the tale, and really what always does in these elections.

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Has there been any movement on either Superman & Lois or Green Arrow & The Canaries?

Superman has already been picked up for a full first season:

https://www.scifinow.co.uk/news/superma … by-the-cw/

Green Arrow & The Canaries won’t be decided on until May:

https://screenrant.com/green-arrow-cana … uggenheim/

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In line with the credibility questions of Cosmic Book News, we have this:

https://cosmicbook.news/marvel-taking-over-dc-comics

Incredibly hard to believe.   But then again - who would have thought the UK would leave the EU and Trump would be President.  We live in a parallel universe these days.

I would also point out that this did in fact almost happen before.  Marvel was set to outright buy DC in the 80’s, but didn’t go through with it over fear of the feds getting involved.

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And speaking to Didio’s successes, I think another thing that hurt him recently was Batman stumbling a bit under Tom King.  I liked some of what King was doing, but it was an unrelenting destruction of Batman that lasted too long, and I believe ultimately readers were so beaten and bruised that they crawled away.  The failure of the Catwoman marriage was probably the turning point for many as it was a gut punch after the build up to it.

And as many have noted, when Batman sales are hurting - usually the higher ups start paying special attention.

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And now this:

https://cosmicbook.news/att-closing-dc- … van-sciver

If they were smart (and AT&T is not smart), they would license the publishing out to other companies. Even Marvel has already done this by letting IDW print its kid’s line using Spider-man, Avengers, etc

If IDW didn’t jump at the chance for DC, I imagine there are other companies like Boom Studios that would love a shot. Don’t see Image doing it, though - they have a unique business model where Image basically licenses out their logo to put on a book (the company itself doesn’t fund much).

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Probably most relevant here given the comics creators and modern ideas that have been involved in these shows, but Co-Publisher Dan Didio was just fired by DC Comics.  Didio has been the guiding voice behind DC’s direction over the past 10 to 15 years (including what he’ll most be remembered for - the New 52, which rebooted all of DC Comics).

Didio was about to reboot all of DC Comics again with his Generation Five initiative (aging up Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne, etc into their 80’s with their children and other characters taking over the monthly titles).  The problem?  Didio was reportedly doing this with big ideas but without a real plan; he was just going to improvise it as it went along and let his employees carry the burden (much as he did with many during New 52).   But this time, his editors started quitting en masse, and that got Warner’s attention.

So with Didio gone, where will DC go now?  Lots of rumors, but I think it’s safe to say we won’t see a line-wide reboot with Generation Five.  That’s likely to now go down as an interesting footnote in history.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2020/02/21 … dc-comics/

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Maybe it has to do with the method used to bring the double over?  On Supergirl, I think they mentioned that a wormhole opened bringing the various doubles to the bar.  On Black Lightning, his daughter was phasing in and out of other realities more directly connected to her doubles (even sharing the same head space).  On Flash, Nash is his own special circumstance thanks to the direct influence of the Anti-Monitor.

Did they say how Beth came over?  I haven’t really been watching Batwoman.  Seems to me she’s more of the Black Lightning method.

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This is how Flash season one should have ended.  Barry makes Eddie realize the truth about himself, and Eobard blinks out of existence.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/14/the-flash … ut-as-gay/

Joking aside, I’m honestly shocked they didn’t do it given the themes these producers constantly promote.

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I would watch MOTOROLA as long as it had John Reed-Davis in it.

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The problem was Margot Robbie:

https://nerdist.com/article/margot-robb … r-journey/

She wanted an R-rated film.  She wanted Birds of Prey.

I remember another article that mentioned Warner wanted changes after the test screenings, but Margot fought them on it.  Ultimately Warner let Margot have her way; but I’m now thinking Warner may have seen some the same problems we see now (such as there being no need for an R rating just to preserve a few curse words).

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Here’s a good look at some season one filming locations:

https://slidecage.com/show/film-locations/

Of note would be the exterior of Rembrandt’s apartment:

1152 Montgomery St, San Francisco, CA, 94133

http://www.slidersimages.com/1a/1a337.jpg

http://www.slidersimages.com/1a/1a338.jpg

http://www.slidersimages.com/1a/1a339.jpg

And some exterior shots from U.C. Berkeley:

University Dr, Berkeley, CA, 94708

http://www.slidersimages.com/1a/1a057.jpg

The remainder of San Francisco locations listed on that site are areas that were driven through during the car scenes.

For more images from the Sliders pilot movie:

http://www.slidersimages.com/1a/1a_1.htm

While in San Francisco, you may also want to visit the Chancellor Hotel.  Sliders never filmed there, but the name was used in season three as the hotel the Sliders stayed at (as mentioned in “Double Cross”).  The name would be changed to The Chandler Hotel in season four after the real life Chancellor Hotel objected to the use of its name on Sliders without permission.

https://www.chancellorhotel.com/

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A funny thing would be if they did a story highlighting how J’onn inadvertently created a memory “virus” that’s spreading through person to person contact because he altered so many people.  Slowly the world starts to lose it’s mind, and the only cure is to reset everybody to their post-Crisis life with no memories of before.

It would be an interesting way to point out all the differences to us, and then wipe it all away so we don’t re-visit the issue forever.  It’s kind of what happened in the comics as Crisis became this vague memory of something that happened but people really weren’t sure what.

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I didn’t give much weight to the sonic screwdriver observation.  The sonic is in fact unrecognizable from the second Doctor era.  His sonic really was just a screw driver that dismantled equipment and opened door locks (though once it was repurposed into a torch to cut through something).  The modern sonic (as used in the latest episode) is primarily a scanning device with some kind of monitor read out judging by the way it’s used.

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So I see the news popping around, and I had to watch the newest episode out of sheer curiosity (so their ratings scheme worked on me at least).  A new black female Doctor that somehow fits into the Doctor’s past even though we know all of the regenerations.  Of course, theories are flying around about parallel universe doppelgängers or lies or other tricks; but I think the answer could be so obvious that it wouldn’t even cross anyone’s mind.

First, the new mystery Doctor’s TARDIS interior looks a lot like the very first TARDIS.  Second, this new Doctor is on the run from the Time Lords.  This fits pretty nicely with the second Doctor, and there’s some grey areas in his history near the end (including the Time Lords altering and erasing his memories before he regenerates into the third).

There may be no regeneration involved here.  This new, forgotten Doctor could be the second Doctor in extreme disguise.  After all, to the social issue obsessed people producing this show, what’s better than a black female Doctor?  A post-op transsexual black female Doctor.

And I’m done again.

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I think the Supergirl episode made some effort to explain the Ezra Miller appearance while not directly addressing it.  No parallel earths could be detected; yet we know they are out there.  Or are they?

DC toyed with the idea of “layers” post-Crisis; and that culminated in Hypertime:

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Hypertime

The concepts are similar enough to make comparison moot, but the thought is that the Anti-Monitor only destroyed one layer of reality.  There was another layer he couldn’t even detect; and that’s why Ezra Miller popped up in the speed force when the multiverse was supposed to have been destroyed.  Ezra was not from the multiverse; he was from Hypertime.   And it’s actually a pretty elegant explanation if you look at it as the difference between movies and tv and animation - layers not connected at all yet still exist.

Of course, the Arrowverse was and still is a bit clumsy with this idea by having older movie versions in the tv multiverse; but I think that comes from the free form nature of how they make their shows.  There is no plan, per se’ - they just make it up as they go along.

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Just watched the premiere episode of a new NBC show, “Zoey’s Extraordinary Playlist”:

https://www.nbc.com/zoeys-extraordinary-playlist

I really enjoyed it.  It’s not anything ground breaking - just a quirky female lead in kind of a mash-up between Eli Stone and Crazy Ex-Girlfriend.  It’s also set in San Francisco and even had a passing joke about parallel realities.  But I think what really hooked me in was her family.  For the past four years, I lived that with my father; and it just really caught me off guard seeing that all of a sudden in this crazy little show.  They’ve got a fan in me.

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Looks like ratings are significantly down for Whittaker’s second season premiere:

https://deadline.com/2020/01/dracula-do … 202819405/

I haven’t watched it yet, but I imagine the ratings are more to do with people’s opinions of last season than the quality of this premiere episode.  It doesn’t help that the commercials make it look completely derivative of James Bond (likely more in the vein of a parody).

Parodies are fine (Tennant did some - most notably Voyage of the Damned that mirrored the old disaster movies like The Poseidon Adventure); but is there an appetite for it when the audience isn’t as forgiving and willing to give it a chance?  Davies and Tennant had an enormous amount of good will; people would tune in probably no matter what the commercial looked like.

I do agree with some of the comments in the above article, though.  It’s not really fair to compare Whittaker’s second season opener with Capaldi’s second season opener.  Capaldi’s debuted in September while Whittaker had the advantages of a holiday (when more eyes should be available).  Of course, New Year’s is a party holiday which takes people away from their TVs (either because of an actual party or a hangover); and that’s really why Christmas is better.  Chibnall seems intent on proving he’s different, though - even at the expense of reason.

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If I remember correctly, the Peacekeeper Wars situation is caused by some contractual issues.   I think Universal / SyFy completely funded Peacekeeper Wars, so use of that series has to be negotiated separately from the main series.

A similar thing happened with Firefly.  Fox kept the tv rights and only allowed Universal the right to make feature films.  A stray thought here - Disney owns Firefly now.  Hadn’t thought of that.

Funny how stuff in science fiction usually ends up happening in real life at some point.  Doesn’t this sound like the start of Sanctuary Districts?

http://www.citizensagain.com/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_Te … pace_Nine)

And when did we see the concept in use on Star Trek?  2024

I enjoyed it; but I wish we could have had more of *that* Adam Driver in the rest of the series.

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Overall, I’ve had fun watching it even though there are things that have been mishandled.

One of those problems is Pariah.  While they kept his story beats in some form, the portrayal of the character is way off.  Pariah is supposed to be an emotional wreck.  I mean falling to his knees crying all the time emotional wreck.  In the comics, he had been forced to watch Infinite death and destruction like some evil version of Quantum Leap.  Tom Kavanaugh just doesn’t seem to know what to do with it.

Also, Pariah was more of an accidental hero.  In his great despair and desperation, he leapt at someone on a dying earth to save them; and to his surprise it succeeded as they were transported with him to the next doomed earth.  In the comics, that was Lady Quark; for tv it would seem the intention was that this be Black Lightning, but they instead presented it like it was something Pariah meant to do.

So there are missteps and things that could be done better, but I’ve enjoyed it.  Luthor’s parts so far are probably my favorite; and I really liked the Smallville scene for many of the reasons SQ21 did.

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Will it get them anywhere?  Doubtful.  But I give them credit for trying.

https://josephmallozzi.com/2019/11/23/s … -new-hope/

Since Disney owns it all now (thanks to buying Fox), they should make the option available to watch the original trilogy as it was first presented in theaters.  Yeah - it would have visual fx problems, but that’s part of the charm.

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Even though Routh was the big star, he had really fallen after that.  But for his accident and resulting death, I’m confident Christopher Reeve would be somewhere in the Arrowverse too (Reeve would only be 67 today).  His star never rose past Superman, though; and even his time as Superman lost its luster at the end.

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Possibly something for Grizzlor to catch:

https://deadline.com/2019/11/jerry-ocon … 202783811/

I think it’s because the formula is tired at this point.  They try to dress it up a little, but it’s really the same thing every time.  I think they would be better served to flip the script and give the opposite angle.

SkyNet had to realize it could lose in its gambit to kill Sarah Connor, so wouldn’t it have an insurance policy?  What if it also sent a contingent of Terminators into the future?  As we know from our own history, we often become complacent and don’t respect the past after a few hundred or a thousand years.  This “sleeper cell” of Terminator infiltrator units could suddenly appear out of their time bubbles; blend into society, and go about the business of resurrecting SkyNet.

That idea would give us a look at something new - where does humanity progress to after defeating the machines?  And with no specific target this time, this could bring Terminator back to its horror roots as we’re left to a guessing game on who is a Terminator.  Lastly, they could still have their near unstoppable nature for a reverse reason this time - the Terminator technology is so antiquated that humanity is too advanced to deal with it.  Similar to how Moore’s Battlestar Galactica presented that the Galactica survived the initial attack because it was still hard wired and off the grid.

That’s what I think the franchise needs.  Go full on sci-fi while also taking us back to the horror roots of the unstoppable monster.

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Time for this year’s left field Flash theory!

So Barry is fated to die in the Crisis.  What if they go through with it for real?  Barry dies - gone for good.

As we know, Wally takes up the Flash mantle in the comics; but I don’t think that will happen on the show.  The actor who plays Wally can’t commit; and I really doubt they would bring in a new, white Wally from the multiverse.  There is another option, though.

Iris has a strange history in the comics:

https://www.cbr.com/should-the-cws-flas … ts-future/

The new show runner Eric Wallace was directly asked if the show will ever address Iris’s comic book life in the 30th century.  His simple answer - “Yes.”

https://www.cbr.com/the-flash-showrunne … -season-6/

What If Barry dies and a new Flash appears after Crisis.  He takes off the mask and he’s Grant Gustin, but he’s not Barry Allen.  He’s Bart Allen - Barry’s grandson who’s traveled from the 30th century to hide in the 21st century with the help of his grandmother - an older Iris using an image inducer to appear young.  And what better way for Bart to hide than step in the shoes of his grandfather.  People will think he’s Barry Allen if he can pull off the act with Iris’s help.

Like many families, a descendant can look exactly like their ancestor.  This happened in my own life as I one day found a photo, and I asked my mother when I took that picture.  She said “That’s not you - that’s your father at your age.”  It fooled even me.

So we’ll see what happens!  I’ve been wrong with my theories every year so far; but even a broken clock is eventually right - twice a day in fact.