ME: "So, this script from your writing partner that you're reviewing -- are there dinosaurs and vampires and zombies and toy-sized cars with laser cannons?"
MATT: "Yep!"
ME: "I must tear up my outline of the Battle of San Francisco, then. Damn."
MATT: "Your own fault! You shouldn't have given me that glorious idea. I shared it -- and he used it."
ME: "Does his script have an evil double screaming, 'You only control a vortex -- I AM THE VORTEX!!!'?"
MATT: "I think the real question is -- does yours?!"
ME: "Yes."
MATT: "Jesus. You really put your poor readers through the gauntlet, don't you?"
ME: "I get it. You're not a superhero guy! You're also not insane."
MATT: "Haha! I like superheroes when the conceit of the story is one of superheroes. It's when you start grafting fantastical elements onto an otherwise grounded story that I drift off. SLIDERS started as four misfits with a bit of tech that takes them to parallel universes."
ME: "All superheroes started out as misfits with a bit of tech. You just described every superhero."
MATT: "It just seems ridiculous to go to extremes when you can tell a cool story that's just a twist on the original."
ME: "The original had such trauma and horror and madness and savagery. And the monsters. The way they lost their friends one by one, the way they all died -- the only way I can embrace it is to see all that as their superhero origin story. Or at least that's what I tell myself at night so that the sliders don't have to be dead."
MATT: "So why isn't Remmy a superhero?
ME: "He is! They all are. Or they will be, by the time I'm done."
MATT: "Rembrandt! Hahaha!"
ME: "That said, it's possible you and I are thinking of different things when we say superhero. To me, the definitive superhero is Tom Welling in Seasons 8 - 10 of SMALLVILLE, where every episode had some intense CG effects with lots of slow motion and frozen landscapes where Clark is using superspeed to pull people out of burning buildings or defuse bombs or evacuate locations or yank individuals from cars about to crash. And that's the sort of thing I see the sliders doing when I say I see them as superheroes. They SAVE people."
MATT: "I just see SLIDERS as a sci-fi drama about ordinary people to behave in an ordinary fashion. It's a perfect conceit. These four people have no control over where they travel. Only that they travel through different versions of their hometown. Then it became a 400 mile radius, which makes them unable to form a benchmark against their own reality. Then it allowed them to control their destination, which takes away from the splendor of the unknown. Then they were fighting a shapeshifting cartoon villain. After experiencing living flames, dragons, shapeshifters, midget magic, regular magic, triple earths, mechanical earths, youth-giving worm shit, etc.. It became ridiculous. I like a grounded concept. SLIDERS abandoned that. And thus, it because dumb."
ME: "I think maintaining the grounding is very important for an ongoing series. And for continued development of the series. But for the end -- The End -- I think that's the time to go nuts. For the series finale, I want them to have full control of their tech and I want them at their highest point at the top of their game."
MATT: "Is this thing going to end like how BATTLESTAR GALACTICA ended? With Ronald Moore inserting himself into the narrative like a loon and walking away?"
ME: "I already wrote the ending. Click here to see it."
MATT: (reading the three pages or so of script) "Missing an Oxford comma in the first line. No capitalization of "Sliders" on the second line."
ME: "I never capitalize 'sliders' when referring to the characters. You've noticed that already; you changed it in all of my reviews. I also don't use Oxford commas."
MATT: "Wrong and wrong. Double wrong!"
ME: "Hmmm?"
MATT: (finishing his reading) "Those are wrong opinions. And you capitalize The Sliders at the end, anyway. YOU BREAK YOUR OWN RULE."
ME: "Well, I capitalize it for the final page -- but only because it's been earned. There are plenty of sliders at the end. Everyone in the city is a slider. But Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo -- they aren't just any sliders, they are The Sliders."
MATT: "This is a very good ending."
ME: "Then let it be known: the only part of SLIDERS REBORN that Matt liked was The Ending. Because it was OVER!"
4,261 2016-02-20 16:12:48
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
4,262 2016-02-19 16:14:14
Re: The odd self-awareness of Sliders: a mini-essay (5 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Funny how your link goes to dialogue written by SLIDERS' Marc Scott Zicree and brings us right back to SLIDERS.
Setting aside my choices -- the truth is that THE X-FILES and SLIDERS were early adopters of a TV format where the status quo is not static and unchanging, and they handled ongoing development in awkward, ham-fisted, clumsy ways that resulted in anomalies of metatextual commentary.
With THE X-FILES, it was as often accidental as it was deliberate. With SLIDERS, it was largely accidental with a few instances where it was deliberate. Both shows ended up in a position where they set up what Martin Izsak calls "narrative debts," where the audience is made to expect something the show fails to give. In both cases, that debt was a resolution to an alien invasion the various plots related to that issue.
When you build up to a payoff you can't deliver and then you have the chance to come back over a decade later, there aren't really that many options. With THE X-FILES and SLIDERS, you can only do one of two things.
You can either do the big climax 10 years too late -- or you can turn into the swerve. You can willfully present the anti-climax, acknowledging that it's not quite what one hoped for with self-aware dialogue that is essentially reaching out to the audience in an apologetic fashion. And then you move on.
4,263 2016-02-19 10:34:47
Re: The odd self-awareness of Sliders: a mini-essay (5 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Aside from episodes written by Marc Scott Zicree and Chris Black in Seasons 4 - 5, any behind the scenes implications are unintentional. Intangirble's remarks about Quinn are a welcome relief after years of "Quinn Mallory was never worth your time" and "Quinn Mallory is a bad person" and "Quinn clearly went insane."
It's interesting to look at SLIDERS' sister series, THE X-FILES, which occasionally jumped into the metatextual in Seasons 2 - 4, a little more often in Seasons 5, delivered a Season 6 & 7 full of comedy episodes, and had two comedy episodes across two years for Seasons 8 - 9. The comedy episodes were often metatextual, pointing out certain absurdities in THE X-FILES format such as Mulder and Scully having no personal lives and never solving any cases.
These funny episodes were often entirely unlike the serious show surrounding them; the reason was that show creator Chris Carter had a certain hands-off approach to editing his writers; he liked to let them develop their own versions of the characters and the show each week while still keeping his own in the mix.
This is an approach that might have served SLIDERS well where, a few times a season, there'd be a more deconstructive approach to the series. SLIDERS did this by accident and in a slapdash and self-imploding fashion; THE X-FILES did this purposefully and in a self-exploring manner.
[Self indulgent, semi-delusional rambling continues.]
It's also interesting to compare how SLIDERS and THE X-FILES both ended with a massive back catalog of unresolved plots revolving around an alien invasion plot that any in-continuity revival would need to address before getting on with the business of SLIDERS and X-FILES stories. Both shows returned, SLIDERS in 2015 and THE X-FILES in 2016. Both shows chose a very metatextually literate way of moving away from the mistakes of the past.
THE X-FILES returns with what is essentially Season 23 with Seasons 10 - 22 having taken place offscreen aside from a brief return for Season 15. The alien invasion teased for Seasons 1 - 9 and set for Season 19 apparently never took place. There was no invasion, and believer Fox Mulder concedes that his life has become "a punchline" and later receiving confirmation: the alien invasion conspiracy was, is and ever shall be a massive hoax. Later episodes have Mulder dis-spirited but then realizing that even without aliens, there's plenty of monsters of the week to investigate.
NEW MEXICO MEDICINE MAN: "You were never even close! Warring aliens lighting each other on fire and other such nonsense!" MULDER: "I was being cleverly manipulated." | MULDER: "A decade of my life in this office -- I was being led through a dark alley to a dead end, just as they planned." | MULDER: "Scully -- back in the day -- is today."
SLIDERS REBORN, aside from 2-minute webisode, is essentially Season 20 of the series and declares that all the resurrections and returns happened during the untelevised timegap of Seasons 6 - 19. When the alien invasion is brought up, the sliders rememeber it, but the world at large has no recollection of it at all. It was dealt with offscreen, it doesn't matter, what matters is that Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo are back. Little metatextual exchanges take place.
REMBRANDT: "When exactly did we become friends, Q-Ball? Was it when you left my car in an iceberg?! Was it when you sent me to an alien battlefield and told me I was home!? Was it when you left me sliding alone for a year!? You never even taught me how to recharge the timer!" (Wade and Arturo cast furious looks at Quinn, Quinn throws his hands in the air helplessly.)
Ultimately, both shows declare that the alien invasion plots that took a stranglehold on them in their latter years are not really what they're about and use metatextual writing to create a self-aware anti-climax. They proceed to declare that the best way to pay tribute to the past while moving forward is to focus on the characters, revealing who they are and what they're doing today.
4,264 2016-02-17 18:36:19
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
ME: "Matt, I destroyed another cell phone."
MATT: "Hahahahahahahahahhaahahahahha!!!"
ME: "Thanks, buddy."
ME: "And after that long-ass post on the BBoard about how you finally got yourself under control with the gel casing and temper-proof glass cover."
ME: "This time, I bricked it. No, wait. It's fixed. I was able to sideload the OS back onto the internal memory. Hmm. This was funnier when it was destroyed. I'm sorry I was able to fix my phone, Matt. When I started this chat, I thought it would be funnier than it turned out, much like Season 3 of COMMUNITY."
MATT: "Don't be silly. Season 3 of COMMUNITY didn't start out funny at all."
4,265 2016-02-17 18:03:45
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
And a brand new note on my smartphone history: I have bricked my Moto G 2015. Android enthusiast does not mean Android expert.
Marshmallow has this neat function of merging the microSD storage with the internal memory storage. I activated the merging. Later, I found that Google Play had updated some apps I preferred unaltered, so I went into recovery, wiped the OS, reflashed the ROM -- or didn't, in that the recovery could no longer install ROMs because it couldn't access the merged memory partition in order to flash the ZIP files. So now the phone has no operating system and no immediately obvious way to install one.
It's a puzzler! :-D
4,266 2016-02-17 17:31:50
Re: The X-Files (437 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I think "Requiem" can only be understood by reviewing both the aired episode and the original script by Michael Reaves on EP.COM.
4,267 2016-02-16 20:29:23
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
The Moto G 2015 camera. The reviews really didn't do this camera justice -- it is the poorest excuse for an imaging device ever sold in a smartphone. Holy crap. I don't know why Motorola set its denoise filters so high, but every single image from every single camera app has about as much detail as a watercolour painting seen through a blur filter. The denoise effect is clearly built right into the camera firmware. It is so awful that XDA developers came up with a modded version of the built-in camera app that lets you turn off this less than useless and utterly pointless noise reduction algorithm and finally get a decent photo.
I suppose it's not as bad as Samsung making it necessary to install Cyanogenmod on the S3 just to get a decent anything.
4,268 2016-02-16 20:22:34
Re: The X-Files (437 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I enjoyed this episode a lot, although I would've liked it more if it had aired as Episode 4 rather than 5. This was clearly meant to come after the lighthearted were-monster adventure, following up on Mulder's mid-life crisis with Agent Einstein's cutting and accurate condemnation of M&S's careers. (That said, they must have something going for them given that they were hired back to a security-clearance heavy job after a 14-year hiatus during which six of these years were spent as a wanted federal fugitives.)
I don't disagree with your criticisms, in an odd turn for us both. I'm as flabbergasted as you are. However, I sometimes find myself not worrying too much that a writer's view of reality doesn't reflect actual reality. Sometimes, it's interesting just to live on Planet Carter and its knotty, contradictory complexity. This is without question one of Carter's most lighthearted efforts ever and one of the *very* few happy endings he's ever offered. This is quite possibly one of the few X-FILES stories where the lead characters actually managed to save some lives.
To me, this episode was what I WANT TO BELIEVE wanted to be as a film -- a criminal procedural that, due to Mulder's presence, suddenly takes on paranormal and supernatural overtones. But where I WANT TO BELIEVE was a hackjob scripted in a mad rush in a few weeks before the writer's strike, "Babylon" was clearly someone enjoying what they're doing.
It's weird. As you can tell from my posts, despite talking a lot about THE X-FILES, I don't actually like it very much. It's just that it's from an era I care about (being contemporaneous with SLIDERS) and it defined genre fiction and received everything denied to SLIDERS (creative freedom, secured actors, high budgets, a feature film, grounded production values) while still being quite a lot like SLIDERS (long, drawn out, confused, incoherent and kind of pointless). I'm not a fan of THE X-FILES as much as a polite acquaintance -- but I actually like this mini-series.
4,269 2016-02-16 16:29:39
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Well, I'll certainly review your book when it comes out.
**
It's true. My history with smartphones is terrible.
Nexus 4: Cost $0 on a two-year contract. Left it on the roof of my car and lost somewhere on the freeway. Replaced with:
Samsung Galaxy S3 (1): Sold a PlayStation I wasn't using to justify buying this one. Dropped it in water in the bathtub, ruined the sound board. Sold for spare parts (the screen was still good), using the money to buy --
Alcatel Idol One Touch Mini: 4GB of internal memory and a single-core processor proved inadequate for Google Maps navigation, so I sold it along with a first-gen iPad, using that to buy --
Samsung Galaxy S3 (2): I slipped on ice and fell, landed on the phone inside my pocket and the screen cracked. I paid for a screen replacement and got a shoulder-strap holster with a magnetic clasp. A year later, the magnet failed and the phone fell out and hit the pavement, cracking screen again. This time, I sold the phone for spare parts (everything but the screen) again.
Samsung Galaxy S3 (3): With the contract on the Nexus 4 expired, I bought a $0 Samsung S3. At this point, tempered glass screen protectors had become prominent and affordable. Aside from water, the S3 suffered the same drops and falls and impacts as before, but the tempered glass and gel case held and the phone stayed good as new. However, after surviving a liquid spill, I decided to start looking at waterproof options. There were some open box Moto G 2015s on sale for $160 and my pristine S3 easily fetched $200.
Moto G 3rd Gen: I think I've got the hang of this now. Tempered glass and gel case for drops and falls, and a waterproof backing to protect from water. This one will last.
The best that can be said of the past disasters, however -- I've really only ever paid money for *one* smartphone; ever since then, I've been trading things in to get new phones. And both my $0 phones were genuinely $0; the monthly rate I signed up for was the same as for a bring-your-own-device plan, either due to clerical error or a desperate need to clear out unsold S3 phones.
4,270 2016-02-15 21:44:27
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I bought some oversized bottles of sparkling water and their unusual height had me constantly knocking them over and I managed to spill one all over my Samsung S3. Thankfully, due to an unusually tight case and some uneven distribution of liquid, the device was unharmed -- but this was something of a tipping point for me. I decided to sell off the S3 and use the proceeds to buy a third-gen Moto G (it's waterproof). The S3 actually sold for more than the Moto G cost me. The tempered glass protector and case had the S3 perfect shape, but for some reason, it was having the original box it came in allowed me to charge a premium that a buyer was willing to pay. I can't say what I'm thinking here because I am disinclined to mock a customer, but maybe whoever's reading this could go ahead.
The Moto G 2015 is cool. A Nexus 6 with cheaper internals and impressive externals. Plain Android, so unlike my S3, no custom ROMs are needed to evade manufacturer bloat. Except, comparing it to my S3 -- it looks bigger than the S3, but the S3 used physical buttons where the Moto G uses onscreen buttons, so the area of screen usage is about the same as the S3. The camera has a dual-tone flash that makes photos a bit yellow. The battery isn't removable, although it lasts two days on a full charge, so even when suffering from wear, it'll still be good. There's only 4.53 GB of usable storage after Android is installed -- although there's some built in software that merges the internal storage with my 128GB microSD. It won't affect my usage, yet it has to be noted that in nearly every way, this phone is a bit of a step down from the S3.
But it's waterproof. :-D
4,271 2016-02-15 19:20:34
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Are the sliders icons of science fiction? To the world at large, no. But that doesn't mean they aren't or can't be iconic. As a quartet, the sliders are larger than life figures who embody an idealized vision of human potential and represent the belief that ideas and ingenuity can solve any problem. Within Seasons 1 - 2, nearly every dilemma is resolved by cleverness, improvisation and the ability to put concepts into practice.
The claim that icons need "a clearly defined ethos" or a "prime directive" or "some other thing that defines their objectives" is little more than exclusionary, claiming what an icon isn't without any idea of what it is. Icons are not made by ticking off checkboxes.
An icon defines a genre, format or form of storytelling, becoming immortalized in memory and identified with that genre. Indiana Jones is an icon of adventure stories because the character is supremely well-suited to the genre in imagery and application. Luke Skywalker is an icon of space opera, Sherlock Holmes is an icon of detective fiction, etc..
The sliders are in some ways genre defiant in that they can fit into any kind of story, any format, any genre. They can be the stars of the story or they can die in the first shot. They can be supporting players, the protagonists, the villains, the establishment or the rebels.
I would say that the sliders are somewhat paradoxical in that they are icons of the science fiction anthology format -- a format that usually doesn't have regular characters. The icons of this genre, before SLIDERS, were Rod Serling's narrator in THE TWILIGHT ZONE and the Control Voice of THE OUTER LIMITS. However, the SLIDERS storytelling engine allows for the show to have the same range as an anthology and the characters are ideally suited to being plugged into any kind of story.
You have scientific brilliance with Quinn and Arturo and interpersonal brilliance with Wade and Rembrandt. You have age and wisdom in Rembrandt and Arturo and youth and innocence in Quinn and Wade. You have cynical conservatism in Arturo and counter-cultural revolution in Rembrandt; you have daring and bravado in Quinn matched with compassion and empathy in Wade. There's no limit in how you use them; if you can't use the main version of the characters, you just use doubles that week.
The other part of the SLIDERS iconography is that the characters *look* memorable; they are costumed and coiffed in ways that make them distinct and recognizable in any lighting and angle. You have the flannel and jeans and hair of Quinn Mallory, the eccentric dressiness of Wade, the stout and broad figure of Arturo and the lean and ostentatiously clothed Rembrandt with his absurd suits.
As a quartet, they stand out in silhouette. The image of the four sliders in shadow running towards us is one of the most vivid TV images of the 1990s and completely in tune with the sliders: distant, aloof figures on the edge of infinity, but when we get closer, we see that they are complex and conflicting human beings.
Also, all four have highly distinctive speech patterns thanks to both the Season 1 - 2 writers and the actors who played them; as a pastiche writer, I found that all four voices lent themselves beautifully to prose-approximations of the onscreen characters.
Mulder and Scully, despite the simplistic definition of being the believer and the skeptic, are just as muddy and contradictory as the sliders; "The Truth is Out There" and "Trust No One" are rarely accurate to the show from which they originate. They don't have distinctive costumes. They don't have a prime directive they haven't violated or an objective they haven't failed at or undermined. Mulder and Scully are the sliders' contemporaries -- Jerry O'Connell and David Duchovny played basketball together in Vancouver. Yet, Mulder and Scully are icons while the sliders are barely remembered. Why?
Very simply, THE X-FILES was successful. It was well-marketed, had high viewing figures, was strongly merchandised, and managed to make it seven seasons before it starting losing original cast members. It had a strong following of both diehards and casual viewers. As a result, Mulder and Scully are the definitive supernatural-procedural characters and achieved pop cultural iconography and immortality.
In contrast, SLIDERS made it all of one season split across two years with a massive hiatus after the first nine episodes followed by three seasons that are impossible to reconcile with the Pilot episode. The show failed to embed itself in the popular consciousness because it was frequently incoherent and often unwatchably poor. But the characters in the first twenty-two episodes transcend all that.
They're icons to me. To me, Quinn Mallory is one of the greatest fictional characters ever created and he stands next to Batman, Spock, Sherlock Holmes and Dr. House. I accept that they're not icons to the public, but aside from popularity, they fulfill the basic requirement: they define a genre and format (sci-fi anthology) and are ideally suited to that genre and format. And I don't think anyone should be declaring that iconography is off limits to the sliders just because they themselves don't see it.
4,272 2016-02-14 11:02:45
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
So, regarding those script notes where I blew them up at the end by telling the writer, "Never mind, these changes I suggest are too much, your story's great the way it is" -- I woke up this morning and suddenly knew how to rework my suggestions into minimal additions and tweaks instead of total replacements.
It's this new philosophy of editing I have. I think the main turning point that got me here -- I was critiquing one of Matt's scripts and giving him ideas for major changes to to fix the problems and Matt said he didn't feel he could make those changes even though he agreed with the criticisms. He later sent me a set of notes from a different reviewer where this reviewer had precisely the same complaints I did -- but his solutions to the problems were small, precise and subtle changes that involved altering lines of dialogue and adding a few things here and there -- things Matt was willing to change. Ever since then, I have followed that example towards editing for Matt's stuff and for this other writer. Tweaks and additions instead of replacements. Things the writer wouldn't balk at considering.
4,273 2016-02-13 21:42:13
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I spent a few happy months with the Moto E LTE. It’s pretty amazing how this $100 phone was completely capable for all my smartphone needs – responsive Android performance, all-day battery life, a sub-HD screen good enough ebooks, great Google Maps experience – all the stuff that usually comes at 3 – 4 times the price. Only 5GB of memory left after Android, however, but a microSD could handle 3/4 of the app storage and all the media storage. It's not a phone for gamers. It was good enough for me until I was defeated by the camera.
Occasionally, at work, I need to photograph displays and the Moto E LTE’s camera produced images too fuzzy, grainy and imprecise to be any use. There’s no flash. So I had to go back to my Samsung S3 superphone (which my niece declined). The cheap end of the smartphone market has mostly caught up to the S3 (aside from the flash), but it was nice to have a phone so inexpensive to replace that it wasn’t unnerving when it suffered drops and falls.
Well. I’m sure my mother will lose the smartphone I bought her any day now, so it’s good to have this waiting in the wings.
4,274 2016-02-13 19:57:54
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I don't have the energy to argue that the sliders can be icons right now. I spent a chunk of my afternoon doing chores and also writing up notes on a script that somebody sent me. I thought this script was really excellent, absolutely superb -- but I had a few small suggestions and little tweaks that I thought would recontextualize the ending and give the same ending more impact and meaning. I wrote out what I would change -- little additions or alterations to specific scenes -- and then what I thought would be replacing one final-act scene with a different one.
Except replacing that scene meant replacing a whole bunch of other scenes and suddenly, I wasn't finding neat ways to deepen this writer's story as much as I was simply replacing his style and craft with my own and my grasp of screenwriting doesn't even begin to approach his, and by the end, I realized I hadn't offered notes on his story; I'd given him a completely different story and it wasn't even a better story -- it was just my story instead of his.
So my notes ended with me saying, "You know what -- ? These notes aren't helping you tell your story, they're just replacing it. I've changed my mind. Don't do any of this. You wrote a great script! I should leave it alone."
Which means this was a complete and total waste of time. God damn it.
4,275 2016-02-13 16:25:40
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (934 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I have total confidence that CIVIL WAR will be good. Joe and Anthony Russo did an amazing job on all their COMMUNITY movies and WINTER SOLDIER.
4,276 2016-02-13 16:24:48
Re: DC Superheroes in Film (1943 - 2024) (1,098 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Hey. I reposted TF's Marvel Universe thoughts in the Marvel thread: http://sliders.tv/bboard/viewtopic.php?pid=1818#p1818 Let's keep this thread for talking about how Slider_Quinn21 hates old people and how anyone over 30 can't fight crime!
;-)
4,277 2016-02-13 16:23:31
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (934 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Just want to put TF's post somewhere suited for us to keep talking about it!
Informant wrote:Maybe if Civil War had been the first Captain America movie, it would have made more sense. These characters wouldn't know each other, or how to work with each other. They would be uneasy, and conflict could arise. But one of the first things you learn about using a gun is that you don't even point the thing at anything that you don't intend to destroy. I honestly can't buy into a plot where Captain America or Iron Man would intend to kill each other, and if that is taken off the table, the whole thing looks more like childish bickering than a real plot. If Civil War had been the first movie, it would have explained why those two characters bicker so much later, but earlier bickering can't explain them full-on turning on each other.
The trailers place emphasis on super-hero registration, but I'm not sure that's the full reason for the fight. In the previous Cap movie, Zola insinuated that the Winter Soldier killed Tony Stark's parents. I'm not sure how much Tony cared about his Dad, but his Mom may be a different story. In that light, such a revelation would be analogous to Batman finding out that his parents were killed by Superman's pal Jimmy Olsen. Would Bruce care if Clark claimed Jimmy was brainwashed at the time?
As for Civil War, I think the comic idea worked a little better than this movie spin; but it had problems too. The comics presented the spark point as a bunch of kids playing hero which led to the destruction of a town (including a school full of kids). The government then pushed for super powered registration and mandatory training of people with powers. It was a metaphor for the current U.S. debate on gun control and school violence. Despite Cap's own experience in being helped by his army training, he saw too much of a Nazi / Jew dynamic in the idea of registration; so Cap was opposed. Iron Man had a more modern point of view removed from the idea of Jewish concentration camps because all he had ever seen of that was in books or movies. It was of an academic exercise to Tony while Cap had his heart in it.
We may see some of the above brought up in the movie version of Civil War; might see none of it. I don't think think Civil War was a response to Batman v Superman, though. I think it was a response to the Spider-man rights becoming available. Marvel wanted a quick way to shove Spidey into things as part of a big event; and the comics version of Civil War fit that bill.
4,278 2016-02-11 17:49:30
Re: The X-Files (437 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I think they had to spend at least two episodes on William. His departure from the series was a massive emotional blow and there is no way he could be ignored. Also, Carter intends to use him in some fashion. I think the problem is that there is no sense of progress due to the altered episode order. The plan was Episode 2 presents William as a source of grief and loss and agony and regret while Episode 5 shows the strange and twisted joy and the maddening longing Mulder and Scully have when they think of him, leading to Episode 6 where... who knows?
Instead, what we have is the reverse and instead of progression, it's repetition. This messed up airdate order has also caused other problems. The X-Files office makes no sense. It's fully furnished in Week Two, yet bare and nearly vacant in Week Three. Week One has Mulder realizing the alien conspiracy is a hoax and who knows what else as well. Week Two has Mulder casually referring to the Syndicate's alien human hybrid colonization plot like it's real and believing in the paranormal. Week Three has Mulder with no belief in the paranormal and regaining that belief. Mulder's character arc is seriously confused now.
It's pretty awful that 21 years after SLIDERS, FOX still can't air episodes in the right order.
4,279 2016-02-10 21:49:18
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
It's never clear what the Sliders are fighting for, only what they fight against. We don't know what they want these worlds to look like, only that they want them to be different from what they are. Often the reasons for resisting the status quo are selfish, the world is preventing them from sliding or doing something else they want to do. They need the prime directive or "truth, justice, and the American way" or some other thing that defines their objectives.
Why do they need a prime directive? Do they need one to be declared as superheroes or just to be heroic?
The idea that survival is in some way selfish is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read; is it selfish to eat or breath or drink water or disinfect your hands or take medication or work? Regardless of whether the sliders were serving themselves, they never based their survival by preying on others; the idea that not dying is somehow an inconsiderate act is so lunatic and peculiar I don't even know what this conversation is about anymore other than you disliking the idea of SLIDERS as superheroes.
The sliders were regularly shown in the first two seasons to be deeply concerned with the people they met. The sliders cared about the Revolution in the Pilot. Arturo, despite his ego, cared about the men of "The Weaker Sex." Rembrandt cared about Caroline in "Last Days" and Arturo tried to protect the world from the atom bomb. Quinn cared about Coach Almquist in "Eggheads," Wade cared about Ryan in "Luck of the Draw." And that's just Season 1.
Furthermore, the sliders were clearly shown to represent the impact of new and unfamiliar ideas on enclosed systems of authoritarianism, making the sliders anarchic figures of revolution. They took down the monarchy and the CDC, scored wins against despotic communism, saw the truth of even a presumably intellectualist Earth and saved the world from an asteroid. The fact that they saved themselves too hardly diminishes their achievements. The idea that the sliders are not heroes is completely at odds with what is in scripts and performances and onscreen; with that approach, you might as well be talking about a completely different television show.
Were the sliders often portrayed as villains? Unquestionably -- but that had almost nothing to do with the true nature of the sliders and more to do with the incompetence of the writers. It was never deliberate. There's a mountain of heroic deeds here. To claim the sliders aren't superheroes is one thing, but to say they're not heroic is to either be ignorant of SLIDERS or deliberately dismissive of its content.
4,280 2016-02-10 21:39:53
Re: The X-Files (437 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
On William: the Season 10 comics were, originally, going to feature William as a villain with telekinetic and telepathic powers. Carter, in his consulting capacity with the comics, vetoed this. He said he had plans for William and making him a villain didn't fit those plans. This was part of why the Season 10 writer thought his material would be canon, and that was the intention -- until "My Struggle" declaring that there is no alien conspiracy made the comics and the Revival completely at odds.
So, there are plans? That said, I think it's obvious that planning is not and never has been one of THE X-FILES' strengths.
As for Informant's issueI wonder if part of the problem is the messed up episode order. Had the episodes aired as intended, "Home Again" would be episode 2 and Scully's mother dying and referring to William would have been the start of bringing up Scully's agony. After a hiatus for episode 3 and who knows what for episode 4, "Founder's Mutation" would have been episode 5 where we see a different take on the William issue, seeing the imagined joy and warmth in Mulder and Scully's fantasies of their son.
Instead, the fantasies were the introduction to the arc and then the follow-up was reiterating the pain when the reiteration had been meant as a reintroduction.
4,281 2016-02-10 04:46:51
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I think the sliders costumes were pretty distinctive; they all had stand-out sets of clothes and hairstyles that made them recognizable from any angle. Being nomads in the multiverse also gave them a superpower; as Dan Kurtzke pointed out in his "Young and the Relentless" podcast, the sliders can revolt against the authorities, give up their life's savings, speak the truth to power and bring it crashing down -- because once they leave, they'll never be seen again and they can do whatever they want without consequence or repercussions, a power well beyond ordinary people. That is their "increased capacity to act and exert power and demonstrate agency."
And if you don't think all the sliders having guiding philosophies and are benevolent individuals, I don't know what show you've been watching! SLIDERS is the show where the characters stumble into dystopians and proceed to bring the ruling class to its knees and often within 46 minutes. SLIDERS is the show where the characters have the incomprehensible superpower of getting hired into jobs with no social security numbers or work histories.
I don't know why you even watch this show if you think the SLIDERS stand for nothing. If you think the sliders don't work as superheroes because they're not costumed and caped vigilantes, that's fine, but in arguing that no one could or should see them as superheroes, you seem compelled to tear the series down just to put your personal view of it above another.
4,282 2016-02-09 18:47:08
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
One moment of similarity -- watching Fox Mulder experience a midlife crisis on THE X-FILES made me feel really pleased that I gave Quinn his own midlife crisis, albeit one of a different nature. Matt joked that I should sue Ten Thirteen and FOX for stealing my idea and remarked that Jerry and David Duchovny played basketball together in the Vancouver years. I have a certain (meaningless and groundless) pride in knowing that I gave Quinn Mallory his midlife crisis before Chris Carter gave Mulder one too.
4,283 2016-02-09 18:44:29
Re: The X-Files (437 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Another pretty solid episode of THE X-FILES, and one that neatly repairs something I always despised about this series -- I hated how the monsters of the week were never resolved, and I hated how there was often no personal stake for Mulder and Scully in the cases of the week. Here, that lack of resolution is compared to Scully's grief over how her mother's death leaves her with unanswered questions and the case of the week is matched against Mulder and Scully's loss of their son.
4,284 2016-02-09 17:33:25
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I love SUPERGIRL. It's as flawed as THE FLASH, but it's earnest, heartfelt and it's clearly got a higher budget than THE FLASH and ARROW combined.
4,285 2016-02-09 17:16:36
Re: EP.COM: New Articles in the Archive from Sci-Fi (5 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Last month...
LAURIE: "What the heck is that giant box?"
ME: "It's the Sci-Fi Channel's press files on SLIDERS! The guy who runs the Earth Prime site sent 'em to me to look them over. He hasn't found the time to do so in the 10 or 15 years he's had it."
HENRIETTA: "This is the gentleman from Pasedena? How much did that cost to ship?"
ME: "I paid him back his seventy bucks or so."
LAURIE: "You spent SEVENTY DOLLARS for the privilege of doing filing?"
ME: "I've never bought anything SLIDERS related except for the one DVD set for fourteen dollars. So, since 1995, I've spent eighty-four dollars on SLIDERS. How much have you spent on SUPERNATURAL?"
LAURIE: " .................. a lot."
4,286 2016-02-08 19:45:04
Re: Rewatch Podcast (356 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
In a hilarious note, the boys erroneously refer to "Paradise Lost" as the episode with animal human hybrids -- but later, they agree that "A Current Affair" wasn't as bad as the "worm crap" episode! But all things being equal, Tom notes a mistake in my notes -- I thought Clinton Derricks Carroll was in "The Alternateville Horror"! I can't remember why I thought this. Maybe I thought I saw Clinton in "Alternateville" in the wideshot with all the doubles?
This is the first time in recorded history that I have made a mistake. Now I know how the rest of you must feel.
4,287 2016-02-07 20:19:36
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I'm not really in favour of working class authors giving away free books. Until you sell the movie rights for a six figure sum, I'm afraid I'll have to continue buying your books.
I don't think of the sliders as superheroes in terms of them going on patrol or wearing costumes or getting in MAN OF STEEL type fight scenes -- or even ARROW type fight scenes. I just think that, consciously or not, they use superhero tropes. They come out of nowhere, descending upon people in bad situations. The sliders do what they can to help -- and then they disappear. The sliding concept, if controlled, allows for at-will teleportation and allows for certain FLASH-style action sequences, but you probably wouldn't have Arturo or Wade shooting heat vision or anything.
I imagine the sliders could visit the DC and Marvel universes. Personally, I always liked Temporal Flux's idea of the sliders visiting an Earth with a superhero, but the superheroes' powers are all clearly repurposed sliding technology.
4,288 2016-02-07 15:28:56
Topic: EP.COM: New Articles in the Archive from Sci-Fi (5 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Hi, guys. Courtesy of the Sci-Fi Channel, EP.COM has added 16 items to the Article Archive. Included are in-depth interviews with Jerry, Charlie, Cleavant, Sabrina and Kari. Sabrina reacts to the breeding camp, Kari explains why she was so awful to Sabrina and Charlie shares how he got started in acting.
http://earthprime.com/articles/new-arti … i-archives
In 2005, after SLIDERS was put out of our misery, the Sci-Fi Channel was clearing out its offices of unneeded items and quite inexplicably had press files containing every SLIDERS article they could find. Also inexplicably, they boxed up their files and shipped them to Matt Hutaff of EarthPrime.com because he, I dunno, asked nicely. Matt figured he'd get his assistant to scan and retype anything of value.
Ten years later, Matt, still without an assistant, was forced to consider that he had vastly overestimated his future success. However, with The Box taking up valuable space in his garage, Matt realized it was time to ship The Box to a trusted ally who would happily sort through the contents, categorize the clippings, press releases, internal documents, memos, letters and painstakingly retype every single article of value.
Since there was no one like that, he sent it to me some time before Christmas. I sped-read through the contents of The Box and selected 16 items worth sharing -- in-depth interviews with cast and crew and the odd editorial regarding the show. However, I sure as hell wasn't going to be retyping all that.
I ran the pages through a scanner, created a PDF and ran the documents through Adobe Acrobat's optical character recognition software. The results were unreadable gibberish, likely due to many of the articles being faded and low-res photocopies.
Every few days, I'd run the file through another OCR program, continuing to do this for about a month. This weekend, I finally found ABBYY Finereader, which was accurate enough to require only minor corrections here and there before posting. So hurrah!
What stood out to me was how journalist David Martindale seemed to write a lot of SLIDERS articles and interview Sabrina and Kari. It'd be neat to compare notes with him someday and ask if Sabrina or Kari ever had anything off the record to share.
4,289 2016-02-06 22:00:13
Re: Bboard Updates and Registration (58 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Comics re-uploaded. I lost my copies too, strangely. Ended up having to search some dark corners to find them.
4,290 2016-02-06 20:28:29
Re: Rewatch Podcast (356 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Tom and Cory remarked, when talking about "Please Press One," that they didn't get why Mallory is described in Bboard posts and newsgroup posts as a "con man" character. There is little to indicate this onscreen. This was something Robert Floyd and Bill Dial talked about in interviews; how Jerry's Quinn was a scientist and Rob's Quinn would be a street-smart criminal. Onscreen, this doesn't really play out and it's a massive misconception and misunderstanding. Jerry's Quinn was perfectly street-smart in his own way. As early as "Prince of Wails," he convinces an armed resistance to consider him an ally. Quinn could also be arrogant and self-absorbed, so the idea that Quinn was some sort of Steve Urkel geek while Rob's Quinn could be the muscle is just baffling. I'm not really sure how to make the identity crisis work in terms of what we saw onscreen.
My suggestion would be to present Mallory as a genius just like Quinn -- except Mallory's genius is myopically focused on money and little else; his grasp of mathematics extends only as far as finances and is useless for sliding and science, and with a running joke that the sliders would never consider Mallory's moneymaking scam artist skills to be admirable or even recognize it as intelligence.
One thing I have been trying to do for SLIDERS REBORN is create a role for Robert Floyd. A role where he could play Mallory and be interesting without having to impersonate Jerry -- in fact, they'd be onscreen together in a buddy cop sort of way. But I've been unable to figure out Mallory's character. It's a bit embarrassing -- "Slide Effects" was me selecting what I liked about SLIDERS and dismissing all the rest, while SLIDERS REBORN has me trying to embrace every facet of the series -- but Mallory and Colin are two characters I just can't figure out.
I don't care about Colin in the slightest, but I feel really bad about Mallory's exclusion, because Rob *really* engaged with SLIDERS. It is the worst reviewed season, described by the series creator as the worst year of the show with the production team creatively disengaging from the show and documenting their disinterest online. But Rob did his very best with the material and he paid tribute to Jerry O'Connell and Quinn Mallory and he honoured them -- which makes me feel bad that I have yet to find a way to return the favour in my anniversary special.
4,291 2016-02-06 19:55:31
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (934 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
So, Coulson flat out murdering Grant Ward.
I generally don't approve of superheroes executing defenseless antagonists, partially because it deprives future writers of villains. That said -- I really wasn't feeling any kind of moral ambiguity towards Grant Ward's death. Ward had killed a shockingly high number of innocent people and proven impossible to incarcerate, meaning every episode in which he was killing more people was an episode where Coulson and the SHIELD team look incompetent.
I thought the final hunt for Ward was a really gripping two-parter and I really liked the silent moment in the mid-season finale with Coulson crushing Ward's hart and throwing away the hand that did it along with the rage and hatred. I was also really moved by Gemma's wordless grief that Will hadn't made it back alive. It really says a lot about how much actors define a show after they've grasped their characters.
The reviews were hilariously caustic towards this two-parter, mocking how the HYDRA soldiers battering down the walls are represented through animatics and how any monster that geeky Fitz can defeat is hardly worth HYDRA's efforts. It is, of course, always easy to mock. AGENTS OF SHIELD has gone from being a joke to me to a real high point of the Marvel Universe.
4,292 2016-02-06 17:55:06
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I enjoyed Season 3 of ARROW -- until Oliver died, and then it became very laboured, confused and tired. Oliver's resurrection was absurd and nonsensical and his return from death caused all kinds of problems. We're expected to take Thea's death seriously when Oliver's was irrelevant; we have Oliver vowing never to leave his city again only to leave it a few weeks later; we have a League of Assassins that wants to engage in a complex effort to unleash a biological weapon on an entire city in order to eliminate a single target (couldn't R'as have just bought a gun?) and Felicity's pedestal turned her into an object rather than a person.
I've enjoyed Season 4 much more and am less troubled by the faults, although they're present. I'm having a good time with Felicity. I got the impression the Calculator knows exactly who Overwatch is and who Oliver Queen is; why else did he just happen, as Informant puts it, to get himself involved in Team Arrow? So, that didn't bother me too much, nor does the uncertainty over who rests in The Grave (for reasons I posted above). That said -- Informant is right, especially about Felicity having skipped rehab. The reason that stuff doesn't trouble me: I don't really think of ARROW as a realistic drama. It's an impressionistic, exaggerated, larger than life escapist fantasy.
Seasons 1 - 2 of ARROW were just as absurd, from Oliver apparently building his base under the nightclub with one day of sledgehammering, Diggle pretending to be a smoker when he isn't one and wouldn't smell like one, Thea's addiction issues vanishing after a stern talk, the Black Canary being unmasked to reveal a complete and total stranger whom Oliver inexplicably recognizes as a Sara Lance who looks nothing like the Sara Lance of Season 1, Sara Lance charging into battle with that ludicrous push-up bra, the Huntress becoming Evil because she discovers Oliver has an ex-girlfriend he talks to now and then -- ultimately, I've learned to accept stuff like that and Felicity wheeling around in that chair like she was born in it because ARROW isn't a realistic show. It's a fantasy.
It's no sillier than Barry Allen apparently being the only police scientist in Central City with a lab that Barry and only Barry ever uses. Or Barry being dispatched to crime scenes despite his lengthy coma making it unlikely he would be permitted to work cases without an extensive psych evaluation to make sure his work would hold up in court. Or Star Labs being in operation with funds, vehicles and equipment after FEMA declared it a disaster zone. Or THE FLASH's inability to explain how the prisoners in the Pipeline prison go to the bathroom (Ray Palmer even asks how the prisoners "complete the transaction" only for Cisco to get distracted from answering the question).
As for the large LEGENDS cast -- I suspect it's simply being practical in that they need to have some characters they can kill.
4,293 2016-02-06 17:43:14
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I think Matt's theory is that I'm drawing on superhero comics for SLIDERS. I have, after all, always seen the sliders as superhero characters with their own very distinct set of superpowers. The final script presents the sliders as full-fledged superhero characters in that they have the power to transport anyone and anything to anywhere on Earth. The idea of creating a gateway of energy to draw in dangerous objects and expel them somewhere is reminiscent of Superman using his super-breath or the Flash generating a whirlwind to draw away toxic fumes from people. Superheroes are often, at climactic moments, in a position where their enemies are at their mercy.
I'll be happy to buy and read your book regardless of where it lands on any list, although I understand the importance of this program to your career.
4,294 2016-02-05 21:35:19
Re: Rewatch Podcast (356 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Okay, I added "gobsmacked" back in.
In other news, I have sent Sliders Rewatch all the deleted scenes and trivia for Season 5 now -- just hit send on an E-mail containing all the notes for "To Catch a Slider," "Dust," "Eye of the Storm," "The Seer," the feature film (never made), and the 2009 series finale outlined by Tracy Torme (never made). While I know a lot about SLIDERS thanks to Temporal Flux, I know far, far less about LOIS AND CLARK, so I suspect this marks the conclusion of my contributions to the Rewatch Podcast unless they want a guest. Looking forward to hearing what they do next!
Behind the Scenes Information Courtesy of Temporal Flux
A Current Affair Trivia
• Information here is from Keith Damron.
• This episode was written by the infamous Steve Stoliar, personal friend of David Peckinpah, former personal assistant to Groucho Marx and writer of Paradise Lost," largely considered upon its air date to be the worst episode of SLIDERS ever made.
• He also wrote Season 4's "Net Worth," largely infamous for reportedly being a Sabrina Lloyd story without Sabrina Lloyd.
• Stoliar pitched SLIDERS does the Lewinsky story.
• It was wildly popular with Dial, Peckinpah and Black, but not Damron.
• Keith Damron thought it was unlikely Universal would approve this story.
• It was approved.
• The script came in.
• Damron, busy with other episodes, had absolutely no time -- none whatsoever -- to rewrite the script, and it was filmed almost entirely as written.
• Unlike "Paradise Lost" (written according to production's preferences for monster movies and hacked up before and during filming) and "Net Worth" (crippled), this episode is genuinely representative of Steve Stoliar's skills as a writer.
• Stoliar pitches a simple, straightforward concept.
• There's some weaknesses on display such as Rembrandt, Diana and Mallory's inability to realize why Maggie was disguised and some absurdities like the gang entering a room with the President despite holding a device that's counting down.
• But there's also tremendous effort at world-building and an effort to define all the characters and make them more than their plot functions.
• Paradoxically, there's also their reduction to plot functions: Bobby Hawks is appalled by the idea of faking a story, but ultimately goes along with it because the episode needed to wrap up.
• There's effective, good-natured humour without the marked mean spiritedness of other SLIDERS stories from this era.
• This episode had no script editor working on it.
• Steve Stoliar is a decent writer. Not a master of the format, but he's decent.
• SLIDERS blogger Ian McDuffie remarked that script-editor Keith Damron was arguably the worst writer to ever work on SLIDERS, but that "Sometimes, we are blessed with his days off."
• Bobby Hawks is a pastiche of Matt Drudge.
• President Jeffrey Williams is a pastiche of Bill Clinton, right down to the hand gestures.
• Production did not have enough extras for the final press conference, so the extras were filmed in four separate shots and the shots were them combined into a single shot.
• This episode, for scenes not filmed in the Chandler, uses a leftover set from the COLUMBO TV movie, "Ashes to Ashes."
• (Does it really look so different from the Chandler that it made a difference?)
• Oddly, that COLUMBO TV movie was directed by Patrick McGoohan, whose writing, acting and directing on THE PRISONER were homaged in the script for "Please Press One."
• McGoohan stumbled into Keith Damron's office one day when looking for the bathroom, disappointing Damron, who wanted to pitch a PRISONER reboot -- and I admit that a Damron-PRISONER couldn't have been any worse than the actual reboot.
The Java Jive Trivia
• The information regarding this episode is from Matt Hutaff of Earth Prime dot com and Season 5 script editor Keith Damron.
• This is the first episode of SLIDERS with a Rembrandt double that doesn't feature Clinton Derricks Carroll. (Error: I mistakenly thought Clinton was in "The Alternateville Horror." He isn't.)
• This episode was written by Janét Saunders, David Peckinpah's assistant since Season 3.
• They had a good relationship and Janét pitched him this episode for Season 5 and also another to come.
• Janét had explored the Universal Backlot and found locations that could be used in this story.
• In the original story, there was a lot of Depression-era gangster action with the story opening with Rembrandt rescuing Angie from the Dropper Daddy's Gang who just killed her boyfriend.
• Angie was not a manager at the Velvet Slipper, merely a singer who helps Rembrandt get a job as a bass player.
• Prohibition on alcohol never ended in this version; there was nothing about caffeine being illegal, and Angie's boyfriend was informing on some alcohol producing gangsters.
• Angie would get kidnapped and the sliders would try to rescue her and fail, but succeed in bringing down the gangsters.
• It was meant to be a showcase for Rembrandt and Cleavant's singing.
• The original title of the pitch was "Black and Bluesey" and can be seen in the Odds and Ends at EP.COM.
• Damron and Dial decided that caffeine would be illegal to add more of an alt-world flavour, which I think was a good idea.
• However, the final product was impaired due to lifeless direction and a low music budget.
• Music composer Danny Lux was too busy with scoring SLIDERS and THE PRACTICE and ALLY MCBEAL.
• Bill Dial turned to songwriter friend Peter Andrews to write "He Must be Dreaming."
• The filming of this episode was a popular event; even the hands-off Sci-Fi executives came to set to watch the musical performances.
• According to Temporal Flux: Dial and Damron needed to make this episode another low-cost effort in order to redirect the money to the epic and expensive series finale.
• This was, upon airing, considered to be one of the worst episodes of SLIDERS ever made.
• But then, SLIDERS managed to make some more that were even worse.
Return of Maggie Beckett
• Information here is from Temporal Flux and Keith Damron.
This is another episode by Chris Black ("Common Ground," "The Alternateville Horror," "Slide By Wire," "Way Out West" and "Applied Physics."
• As with all Black episodes, there is a strong fascination with Maggie and Kari Wuhrer.
• Chris Black wanted to address the role of Maggie's father in her life and Dial and Peckinpah were happy to let him do what he liked.
• However, the prop department negligently got Maggie's last name wrong.
• There is no real story behind this, but it speaks to how the production really didn't care about what the hell they were doing even if writers here and there did.
• The character of the General in this episode is meant to be Tom Beckett from QUANTUM LEAP -- albeit unofficially.
• Originally, the title for this episode was "Waiting for Beckett," but the title didn't clear the legal department for some reason. It was a reference to the Samuel Beckett play, WAITING FOR GODOT.
• In Seasons 4 to 5, numerous space stories had been pitched, especially with the sliders landing in a spacecraft seconds before it launches.
• Most of these stories were rejected until Chris Black pitched this one.
• Damron and Black were then put in competition, both to create a space-based pitch that Dial and Peckinpah would agree to buy.
• Damron pitched a sliders-land-in-a-launching spaceship story where the sliders accidentally take the spaceship with them to another world with an overpopulation crisis and the sliders have to decide whether to hand over the spaceship or withhold it -- because without the spaceship, they can't slide off this world.
• Chris Black pitched something far simpler and his pitch was bought.
Damron good-naturedly declared it to be his favourite episode of Season 5.
• This is the most popular episode of Season 5 among the fan base.
Easy Slider
• Information below is from Temporal Flux of Dimension of Continuity.
• This story was pitched because David Peckinpah's obsession with motorcycles was well-known to the staff, especially his assistant and the writer of this episode, Janét Saunders.
• She thought he would insist on buying it.
• Peckinpah was not in a lead role for Season 5, but he was technically still the boss.
• The original pitch featured Kari Wuhrer heavily and was a Maggie love story.
• However, Peckinpah's distance from the show meant he wasn't pushing for this episode to be made and it was on the verge of being rejected.
• Then his mistress -- no, not his wife -- mentioned that a motorcycle episode could offer the chance for her to do some stuntwork.
• Peckinpah commissioned the episode for this reason, although his stated reason was that he liked the costuming opportunities for Kari. "I see Kari in tight leather -- go with it!"
• This Kari costume never happened due to rewrites.
• According to Temporal Flux: When Cleavant Derricks heard about Peckinpah commissioning an episode to suit his girlfriend, he lost all hope for SLIDERS.
• Cleavant realized that the show was not about making a series, it was just Peckinpah and Dial screwing around and with Sci-Fi unlikely to renew for another season after O'Connell's departure made them lose all faith, this was most definitely the end.
• The other reason Cleavant was sure no renewal was coming: he knew Sci-Fi had committed their budget elsewhere for the next season of TV; they'd set nothing side for a sixth season of SLIDERS.
• Robert Floyd, in contrast, was sure there would be a Season 6 -- the ratings were excellent, he noted. Sci-Fi would have to be insane to cancel their highest rated series.
• Surely, Rob felt, given SLIDERS' first-place position on Sci-Fi, they would find the money somewhere.
• Never in the history of SLIDERS has anyone ever been so very, very wrong.
• This episode is also infamous for another reason: before Season 5, there was a prominent SLIDERS side run by a man with the handle of "The Expert."
• The Expert had a lot of behind the scenes information on SLIDERS, frequently revealing plots of future episodes (although he would't ruin them). He had contacts in production.
• Before Season 5, the Expert posted a ton of information on what was coming with episode plots such as Conrad Bennish Jr. returning, Colin getting blown up, etc..
• Temporal Flux also revealed the plan for Bennish to return for Season 5.
• The Expert also revealed that one planned episode for Season 5 was "Sleepless in San Francisco," a Maggie love story and various details of this story.
• In a chat, Season 5 script editor Keith Damron declared that the Expert and Temporal Flux had made up all their claims and that none of these events would take place in the show.
• Keith Damron said there was no "Sleepless in San Francisco" story.
• Shortly after this, the Expert took down his site.
• Fans theorize that these leaks were a sting operation to identify the Expert's contact, and he took down his site to protect his source.
• The Expert's episode capsules remain online at EarthPrime.com and Temporal Flux purchased most of the Expert's SLIDERS materials.
• I would also add that TF's reveals and exposes would, in time, come to equal if not dwarf the Expert's output.
• Temporal Flux insisted that Jason Gaffney (who played Bennish) had been booked for appearances only for this to be abruptly cancelled and that the Expert's reports had not been wrong -- although, as with any TV show, some stories might not make it to air as initially planned (and reported on by the Expert).
• Keith Damron maintained in chats that TF and the Expert were liars and had fabricated "Sleepless in San Francisco" and the Bennish arc.
• This left a nasty impression on SLIDERS fandom. The Expert and TF are beloved figures of fandom.
• Keith Damron, in contrast, was seen as the mediocre writer of "Lipschitz Live" and considered to have little to no credibility when put against the Expert or TF.
• It's amusing that someone employed by the show was seen as an untrustworthy charlatan.
• Meanwhile, fan figures of no official standing were seen as definitive authorities on the series.
• Keith Damron was seen as attacking Temporal Flux and the Expert, and by extension, attacking the SLIDERS fan base who were the only reason Damron had a job in Seasons 4 - 5.
• SLIDERS would never have made it to Season 3 or 4 or 5 without that devoted and campaigning audience.
• Later on, Matt Hutaff was able to get his hands on a pitch for "Easy Slider." The original version as pitched.
• This original pitch was exactly in line with the Expert's information on "Sleepless in San Francisco," the pitch Damron claimed didn't exist, the pitch Damron claimed that TF and the Expert had fabricated.
• It was a rough version of what would become "Easy Slider" with the aired episode having made it Mallory's love story instead of Maggie's.
• Matt was also able to get Tracy Torme to definitively confirm that Bennish had been scheduled for Season 5.
• This made it blatantly clear that Damron, for whatever reason, had been lying and had done so with great malice towards the Expert and Temporal Flux as well as the fans, seeking to portray the fan experts as liars.
• For this reason, moreso than his bad scripts and bad editing, Keith Damron is the second most hated man in SLIDERS.
1) David Peckinpah
2) Keith Damron, hated for his 'outreach' to SLIDERS fans and also for his Year 5 Journal where every bad Season 5 decision is documented.
3) Bill Dial, hated for the Season 5 finale and Season 5 in general as well as sabotaging Season 4.
4) Jerry O'Connell, hated for abandoning the show and lying about why, claiming that there was a Season 5 budget cut (there wasn't).
5) Kari Wuhrer, hated for abusing Sabrina Lloyd.
6) Peter Roth, hated as the FOX executive who demanded John Rhys-Davies be fired
7) Robert Greenblatt, hated as the FOX President who declared the Season 3 monster episodes to be superior to Seasons 1 - 2.
8) Steve Stoliar, hated for writing "Paradise Lost."
9) William Bigelow, hated for writing "The Chasm."
10) Doug Molitor for the Slide it Yourself fiasco.
• The story original "Easy Slider" pitch is here: http://earthprime.com/etcetera/the-original-easy-slider
• There exists the possibility that Damron, as an staff member, was obligated to say what he was told to say by his employers.
4,295 2016-02-05 21:32:17
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
They said that John Constantine cured Sara from dying if she doesn't indulge the bloodlust, while Thea will die if she doesn't kill.
4,296 2016-02-05 11:56:19
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
ringringring ringringring ringring click
"Cisco, it's Overwatch! We need -- "
"Hi! You've reached STAR Labs! We're currently engaged in an extradimensional journey to a parallel world of unknown threat and danger from which we may never return! Please leave a message and we'll get back to you should any of us return from Earth 2 alive."
4,297 2016-02-04 18:54:56
Re: The X-Files (437 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
The problem with Darin Morgan is that he is, by his own admission, a slow writer. The only reason he was able to contribute a script to the Revival: "Were Monster" was originally an unfilmed script for the NIGHT STALKER reboot that was bought shortly before the show got cancelled. Morgan was able to rewrite his existing story for the Revival.
I think he could be a great story editor, but he apparently got burnt out on THE X-FILES after two seasons and he only lasted eleven episodes on FRINGE in a similar role.
Clearly a man meant for film.
4,298 2016-02-04 16:49:51
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
ME: "Scenes I conceive keep showing up in my TV shows. The third REBORN script has the sliders opening a vortex that sucks up all the doomsday clocks. THE FLASH's mid-season finale had the superheroes opening a vortex that sucks up all these bombs."
MATT: "Hahaha!"
ME: "And AGENTS OF SHIELD had Agent Coulson fighting Grant Ward and knocking Ward to the ground -- and Ward was immobilized and of no immediate threat -- and then Coulson, in a fit of rage over a loved one, crushed Grant's heart using his robot hand and was then was rather regretful. Robot hand. Hmm. Now it sounds stupid."
MATT: "Stupid? More like AWESOME."
ME: "It's just like the rewritten 'Mother and Child' scene where Quinn killed the Kromagg. All these similar scenes I write showing up in superhero shows. What does it mean?"
MATT: "It means the absolute glut of superhero programming is frying your brain to a crisp."
4,299 2016-02-03 19:48:12
Re: REBOOTING Sliders for the Twenty-First Century (26 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I think a far more cost effective route for SLIDERS would be an even lower budget -- either prose or the screenplay format. However, to really engage with an audience -- well, first, it has to be licensed. Don't get me wrong, a script being posted on EarthPrime.com is official enough for me, but that won't pass muster if aiming for mainstream.
Also, it would have to be in a digital format and be extremely, extremely cheap and also very short. Maybe the Pilot redone as a short novella or a screenplay sold in ePub and PDF. Paradoxically, it would have to be written by a big name writer willing to take a low advance on a brilliant project in the hope of returns down the line.
So, instead of me writing it -- we'd approach JK Rowling or Neil Gaiman or Stephen King or Suzanne Collins or Veronica Roth -- someone huge, prepared to give the series a massive start, and then you'd have me, Informant, Slider_Quinn21, Mike Truman, Temporal Flux and Nigel Mitchell write short novellas with our big name opener returning every 3 - 4 volumes.
This proposal, paradoxically, operates on having a very low budget and yet requires hugely expensive writers to provide their services for pennies on their usual rate to start.
4,300 2016-02-03 18:05:39
Re: REBOOTING Sliders for the Twenty-First Century (26 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Temporal Flux attempted a comic revival in the years after the cancellation. The problem, unfortunately, was that the investment was too high and the return too low. Currently, I don't think there's a sufficient readership for SLIDERS comics without a very capable publisher willing to engage in deficit financing. So, it's unlikely, but stranger things have happened with properties even more obscure than SLIDERS.
THE X-FILES: SEASON 10 was what inspired my own SLIDERS stuff. SEASON 10 was very much a for-the-fans product that would be incomprehensible to anyone but the die-hards -- and yet, there was a sufficient readership to make the comic a massive financial success (albeit one that was wholly ignored by the TV show making an unexpected return). However, THE X-FILES was an international success, as was BUFFY. FIREFLY less so, but, like THE X-FILES, there were enough die-hards to make a comic profitable.
I'd be curious to read these more obscure comics of ancient TV shows someday -- but I admit, I'm probably not going to watch SIX MiLLION DOLLAR MAN or KOLCHAK anytime soon.
4,301 2016-02-03 16:00:51
Re: Rewatch Podcast (356 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
ME: "I'm stuck on this part of the 'Net Worth' Redux script. I've finished everything else, I've fixed all the other plot problems in the story, except -- I can't figure out how Quinn is supposed to survive getting shot at with a bazooka that brings the hotel crashing down around him. I'm really starting to lose hope that I can come up with a solution."
MATT: "Why do they have to fire a bazooka? Is that set in stone? Couldn't the Rovers or whatever the fuck they are called have pirated a piece of tech from the Onliners? Some pulse technology that knocks everyone out without damaging the building?"
ME: "But the bazooka!"
MATT: "I mean, you're trying to reverse engineer a solution to a problem that is fundamentally stupid. So just change the problem to something less stupid. That whole scene is tard-level dumb, you should come up with a completely different scenario. Barring that, change the nature of the weapon and be done with it."
ME: "I didn't want to see it that way, I guess. I wanted to see it as an impossible situation, which Quinn tends to thrive on."
MATT: "Quinn doesn't thrive on that stuff."
ME: "What!?"
MATT: "He is adaptable at BEST. Quinn is not MacGyver. He is not going to engineer a solution out of getting hit by a bazooka."
ME: "MacGyver?"
MATT: "Have you never seen MACGYVER?"
ME: "Is that a TV show?"
MATT: "Are... are you fucking with me right now?"
[ME: "I've heard it used as a verb."
MATT: "I am gobsmacked."]
ME: "I'm reading the Wikipedia entry on MACGYVER now. But I always thought the best way to handle Quinn was to put the character in insane, impossible, no-win situations. And then come up with some absurd, implausible, nonsensical contrivance that allows him to succeed while using his genius to dismiss any plot problems that may result."
MATT: "See, and that's a problem that was perpetuated by the writers. Each member of the team had a particular skillset. Quinn was the enthusiastic genius. Arturo was the realist, the skeptic. Rembrandt was the street-smart voice. Literally, the voice. And Wade was the devil-may-care element of playful chaos. As time went on more and more things were subsumed by Quinn because he was easiest to write for -- he was the lead, after all. So he became the hacker, the sweet-talker, the fucking lockpick master. But if you are looking at a basics approach, Quinn should be totally out of his element when staring down a bazooka."
ME: "This Wikpedia page on MACGYVER is really inspiring. This reads like the greatest TV show ever made, Matt. 'The clever solutions MacGyver implemented to seemingly unsolvable problems – often in life-or-death situations requiring him to improvise complex devices in a matter of minutes – were a major attraction of the show, which was praised for generating interest in the applied sciences, particularly engineering, and for providing entertaining storylines.' This is totally what Quinn should be!"
MATT: "I'm telling you -- Rembrandt needs to take center stage for a moment. Arturo needs to be a disbelieving boob."
ME: "Matt, MacGyver is the perfect model for Quinn Mallory! Quinn is going to beat that bazooka even if it kills me. MacGyver will lead the way!"
MATT: "God help us."
4,302 2016-02-02 20:04:44
Re: The X-Files (437 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
SCULLY: "So now you're saying that you were attacked by a six-foot horny toad?"
MULDER: "Whoa! Let's just keep this within the realm of the natural sciences."
Let's be clear. This was a brilliant episode. And I know I'm being a killjoy, but Scully being aware that she's immortal isn't a very good idea. If it weren't for the fact that this is only a six episode season, it would be disastrous. As much as I love HIGHLANDER, THE X-FILES really does depend on physical threat and danger and the characters being aware that they can be harmed.
Setting that aside, however, it raises all sorts of issues the show is seriously ill-equipped to address. Why would an immortal Scully give up William? She'd be the human shield of infinite uses. Why would an immortal Scully allow Mulder to get depressed over lacking tangible proof of the supernatural? If she's aware that she can't die, she might have cheered Mulder up by stabbing herself through the heart a few times. Why hasn't Scully run a full range of tests on herself to determine how her immortality works and used that to help Mulder in proving the existence of the paranormal?
Why is Scully afraid of the were-monster in this episode? Why does Mulder worry about her confronting suspects alone? Why was Mulder worried when Scully got thrown into a wall last week? When did Scully come to realize and accept her immortality? How has she coped with knowing she'll outlive everyone and everything? What's her stock portfolio like with her longevity in mind?
The immortality is neat if Scully isn't aware of it. The timeloop of "Monday" suggests that Scully probably gets killed *all* the time -- it's just that the onscreen events are the final version in which she didn't die. But that prevents Scully from being aware of her immortality.
It's probably best if this one line is treated as a joke, because it's a bit like the magic blood that cures death in STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS.
4,303 2016-02-01 21:13:34
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
The accelerometer on my Windows tablet had stopped working. It is stuck in landscape mode.
... I give up. This thing is clearly not a tablet.
4,304 2016-02-01 19:58:29
Re: Rewatch Podcast (356 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Behind the Scenes Information Courtesy of Temporal Flux, Keith Damron and Robert Floyd
New Gods for Old Trivia
• According to TF: This script was originally called "God's Country," written for Season 4 with all the sliders getting infected by nanites except Colin.
• It wasn't filmed in Season 4, but rewritten and filmed for Season 5.
• It was written by David Gerrold, a prolific science fiction writer who is famous for the Tribbles episode of STAR TREK and the time travel novel, THE MAN WHO FOLDED HIMSELF. It was a truly seminal novel about how -- oh, wait, you know this one. Never mind.
• After two episodes where the Jerry/Rob identity crisis for Mallory was ignored, "New Gods for Old" uses the nanites to definitively declare that Jerry has been erased.
• According to TF: Part of this was due to Dial's unwillingness to put any effort into showing Jerry O'Connell any respect in the series due to his anger towards Jerry for leaving the show.
• The other part: Damron and Dial were having trouble managing the freelance writers.
• They had given conflicting notes to the freelancers: some had been told to write Mallory with the name "Michael," while others had been told to use "Quinn-2" or "Quinn" or "Mallory."
• Some had been told that the character was a Jerry/Rob blend, others had been told it was Jerry in Rob's body, others had been told it was Rob with a secondary set of memories from Jerry.
• With all these contradictions and Dial's hostility towards Jerry O'Connell, the decision was made to just give up on the identity crisis arc. Dealing with it was interfering with Dial's preference for playing Solitaire during writers room meetings.
• As a result: the scripts for "Strangers and Comrades" had no Quinn-moments added and "The Great Work" had all the Quinn-moments removed.
• "New Gods for Old" declared that Quinn was gone now.
• Robert Floyd was deeply disappointed by this episode.
• Robert Floyd also loves this episode.
• He called it an episode that had "Great writing with a great concept!" The ruminations on free will, self-harm, self-determination, collective thought -- he adored it.
• And then, with the ending, Floyd said, "There was an emptiness. It took some cards off the table -- the one thing I wish we could have kept more than anything."
• He was very disappointed that Quinn was gone.
• On the Bboard, fans speculated that Floyd had asked the producers to end the merging plot so he wouldn't have to imitate Jerry.
• Floyd flat out denies this. "I loved having them both; it was more fun to play as an actor."
• He said he had gotten pretty good at his Jerry impression and could have kept it up for a whole season, although his preference was to do two minds in conflict so that imitating Jerry would be one part of a complex identity crisis.
• Floyd approached Bill Dial and according to Floyd, Dial said that he felt "New Gods for Old" was one of Season 5's best scripts and he didn't want to change a thing about it.
• Dial's statement is in stark contradiction to confirmed facts: "New Gods for Old" was a Season 4 purchase that had seen four different drafts.
• Which leaves us with only one explanation from TF: Dial didn't want to rewrite all the freelance scripts to be consistent in featuring the dual personalities.
• It was too much work. Solitaire was calling.
Please Press One Trivia
• This episode was considered by Keith Damron to be William Bigelow paying homage to Season 1 episodes where the sliders encounter and defeat a dystopian regime.
• Throughout Season 5, the production had a standing refusal against buying any stories they considered formulaic and declared their desire to avoid stories with the sliders teaming up with the local resistance.
• (This also led to refusing broad alternate history concepts like a world where Nazis won WWII or where the South won the Civil War.)
• However, Damron thought it would be great to do a story about the customer service experience from hell.
• Interestingly, the episode's script is full of references to THE PRISONER, and around the time Season 5 of SLIDERS was filming, THE PRISONER star Patrick McGoohan was directing a COLUMBO TV movie on the stage next door to the Chandler.
• Damron was deeply disappointed by the 'scoop' that abducts Maggie and the 'mini-scoop' that chases her around later.
• The 'scoop' was meant to be a frightening truck with a mechanical claw to capture Maggie, and from reading the script's allusions to THE PRISONER, it's meant to be a Rover-esque horror.
• (This might not make much sense to you if you're unfamiliar with THE PRISONER.)
• Instead, one was a generic black van and the other was like a remote controlled car.
• The claw was replaced with a tractor beam.
• Damron added the scenes where Rembrandt reprimands Mallory for knowing how to steal a car in order to pad out the running length of the episode.
• Arlo was originally a high tech rebel hacker teenager.
• Damron rewrote the character into a disgruntled Data Universal employee.
• With only three guest-stars and generic hallways, "Please Press One" is one of the cheapest episodes of Season 5, made due to determined penny pinching.
• At this point, it was definitively known that Season 5 would be the final season of SLIDERS.
• With no support from the Sci-Fi Channel and Sci-Fi having committed their future funding to THE INVISIBLE MAN and FIRST WAVE, they'd allocated nothing for SLIDERS.
• Production knew this, and were therefore making plans.
• The economics of Season 5 allowed the producers to make episodes for less than the $700,000 - $850,000 per episode, then move the saved funds to a subsequent episode.
• This would be done on several episodes to come in order to set aside money for an epic series finale.
• This epic series finale would never be filmed.
4,305 2016-01-31 21:01:29
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
It's a solid story to explore. I wrote about death from a few different angles in one of my books, as the characters were desperately trying to make sense of their lives when some vital piece of their world was missing. Trying to reclaim it is impossible. They just keep slipping away, like sand through your fingers. But the space they leave behind isn't exactly empty either. They don't cease to exist. The questions you have for them are still there. The need to hug them is still there. They are an active influence on your life even if you can't have a conversation with them.
Quinn could tell her that nothing is lost forever because when his father died, he left pieces of himself behind that influenced the man that Quinn became and what he did with his life. Because of that, he has seen worlds where time flows backwards. He has been a ghost, communicating with his friends through the help of a medium. He has seen dinosaurs. He's lost people he loves, seemingly forever, only to have them come back into his life. His entire life is built on a foundation of witnessing the impossible. All of that was because of what his father left behind. And there are probably days when he sees something, either in himself or in the worlds around him, that bring back some other piece of his father. Sometimes, those pieces fit together in ways that make him see his father in a slightly different light. He's still learning about the man, and from the man. It just takes more time and patience than it used to. And in those moments when he realizes something that he never noticed before, for just a second or two, it's like the present is overlapping with the past, existing in the same moment... which he has also seen happen.
Sorry. I started rambling there after a while and it got a little corny.
No, it's very good. I don't know if it has anything to do with losing a beloved TV show and believing that it will return. Believing that the sliders will come back because the storytelling engine of parallel universes and the timer that takes them there is so versatile, so flexible, so limitless in function and concept that Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo can survive anything from being blown up to seeing their TV show cancelled. Their resurrections, reunions and returns were impossible. Quinn and Arturo and Wade were *dead.* But they came back anyway. They will always come back.
The stuff about Quinn's dad has nothing to do with that.
But I don't know if that's really a *problem*! Again, this is where Matt would say that my feelings about the TV show are not actually relevant to the characters from an in-universe standpoint whereas your stuff about Quinn's dad is wholly and totally relevant.
4,306 2016-01-31 18:22:00
Re: SLIDERS REBORN: The twentieth anniversary special continues on EP.COM (40 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I'll check out some of the X-FILES stuff.
I guess the reboot script is probably best in that the actors won't need to try imitating the actors. They can be their own versions of Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo. It'd be silly to do SLIDE EFFECTS or SLIDERS REBORN because both are using the reader's familiarity with Jerry, Sabrina, Cleavant and John to summon their voices to the story. The 2013 script was still doing a pastiche of the 1995 actors, although it wouldn't be hard for decent actors to interpret the lines in their own way.
4,307 2016-01-31 14:30:46
Re: SLIDERS REBORN: The twentieth anniversary special continues on EP.COM (40 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Well, that's up to you. I certainly won't stand in the way. But they did a PRISONER adaptation where they found a completely charmless performer to play Patrick McGoohan's suave, forceful, aloof, outraged, gallant Number Six. They don't seem to be very good at casting. The Alice Drake character was supposed to be an English spy and should sound like Emma Thompson speaking perfect English. For some reason, they cast someone with truly peculiar pronunciation and a hesitant line delivery that gives the impression she doesn't know the language.
I think Tom and Cory's impressions are fine as comedy spoofs, but impressions don't really lend themselves to drama.
4,308 2016-01-31 12:18:30
Re: Rewatch Podcast (356 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Okay. I've finished off all the trivia notes for Season 5, the Feature Film that Never Was and the 2009 Series Finale That Never Was. I just need to rewatch two more episodes ("To Catch a Slider" and "The Seer") for deleted scenes and then all my research for the Rewatch Podcast is done.
4,309 2016-01-31 12:12:23
Re: SLIDERS REBORN: The twentieth anniversary special continues on EP.COM (40 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I would never stop anyone from doing an audio adaptation of SLIDERS REBORN, but I also wouldn't encourage them. I've heard their PRISONER audioplay and it's terrible, completely failing to capture the charm of the lead character's performance. I think having impressionists perform SLIDERS REBORN is completely self-defeating; the point of the REBORN scripts is that they are pastiches of the actors.
The reason the scripts are lengthier than one would expect: the scripts don't just contain the dialogue. They contain all the acting as well. The body language. The physical behaviour. These are imagination-fuelled simulations of Jerry, Sabrina, Cleavant and John -- so that when you read it, you can hear those actors in your head as opposed to impressionists.
I don't think SLIDERS REBORN is really suited to anything other than it's current format. It's a media tie-in novel that uses screenplay format.
Anyway. I also wouldn't submit anything that isn't done. SLIDERS REBORN will finish in 2016, though. The Rewatch Podcast boys can confirm that I just sent them a beat sheet for the final installment -- it's just lacking in details I want to add in before scripting in full.
4,310 2016-01-30 19:45:21
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I don't know if this is wise or appropriate, but I generally use my fiction to have characters act out my psychodramas. A scene in SLIDERS REBORN has our troubled teen, Laurel Hills, noting that her mother is dead on this world and dead in every version of reality, as established by the current state of the multiverse. Quinn urges her not to believe that Ms. Hills is gone. Quinn tells her that nothing is forever lost because ______________________ and if something loved and lost is _____________________, then it can come back.
I actually have no idea what sentiment to put into these two blank spaces. In my experience, sometimes, you lose things and you can't get them back and you simply have to move on. Anybody reading this who has never lost something or someone is either very lucky or very lonely. Why would Quinn be making this absurd declaration that everything lost can come back? How could he possibly justify such a remark?
I dunno. It's just how I feel about SLIDERS, you see. It was lost -- but I sincerely believe in opposition to reality that so long as I remember it and care about it, it will come back -- although it had to come back in the form of PDF screenplays posted on the Earth Prime website, and I feel that Quinn would say SOMETHING to this effect to comfort a troubled teenager whose dead mother can't be found in this reality or any other. I just don't know what that something would be.
This is normally where Matt tells me to stop requiring that a story represent my feelings.
4,311 2016-01-30 17:57:51
Re: The X-Files (437 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
In another offbeat choice -- Scully is immortal. THE X-FILES, as I said above, was never awesome about continuity, but they did a few neat things now and then. The episode "Dreamland II" had Mulder bodyjacked by a man in black who cleans Mulder's apartment and destroys Mulder's room of pornography, replacing it with a waterbed. Nine episodes later, "Monday" opens with Mulder waking up in this same waterbed and telling his landlord he doesn't know where it came from. And in Season 3, a psychic who can tell how people will die is unable to read anything off Scully, for some strange reason. In Season 6's "Tithonus," Scully encounters an immortal photographer chasing Death; the photographer explains that someone took his death for him and now Death can't see him. The episode ends with Scully fatally shot -- until the photographer takes Scully's death for her.
So, Scully is immortal. Given Scully's doubts about the man, she doesn't seem to believe or even be aware of this. Four episodes later, in "Monday," Scully dies in an explosion -- and then time is looped back to the beginning of the day. The timeloop continues to repeat -- until Scully lives.
... this is completely insane and something the show is now compelled to avoid referring to too often -- in that the 'realism' of the show is severely impeded if Scully becomes aware that she can't die. In the fictional reality of the series, we know Scully can't die so long as the actress lives. But it is a really peculiar choice to remove even the illusion of peril, to the point where every subsequent episode endangering Scully depends on you not immediately remembering that she is protected by a timeloop. In fact, some of the more ludicrous and random ways in which Scully has survived may be due to the timeloop repeating (offscreen) with the onscreen events being the version where she lived.
"Tithonus" is a great episode and Scully is a great character, but I question the wisdom of declaring in-universe that the character is indestructible.
4,312 2016-01-30 00:57:36
Re: The X-Files (437 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I was watching "Triangle," "Dreamland" (1 - 2) and "How the Ghosts Stole Christmas." The four episodes have Mulder and Scully encountering ghost ships, body swaps, UFOs, government conspiracies, haunted houses, going about X-Files investigations business as usual. Except these four episodes are set during a period when Mulder and Scully had been fired off the X-Files. They've been reassigned to little more than data entry work.
Which means that when they go out to the Bermuda Triangle and Area 51 and spend Christmas ghost hunting, they're not engaging in their profession. It's not their job. So, if Mulder and Scully are engaging in X-File investigations together, it's because hanging out and chasing paranormal creatures is their default approach to life now. Before, it was a job. Now, it's simply all they know -- with the show often poking fun at how Mulder has no personal life outside the X-Files.
On another level, this is also THE X-FILES' peculiar inability to deal with continuity. Despite the show having the FBI reassign Mulder and Scully, they still continue to investigate X-Files cases with a scene here and there where their new boss reprimands them for unauthorized work or use of resources. Outside of that, these stories could just as easily take place before the resassignment or after their reinstatement.
The overall effect, however, is that it's hard not to see Mulder and Scully in a romantic light when they choose to be with each other in what's now their private time and engaged in their former professional pursuits.
4,313 2016-01-28 23:14:57
Re: The X-Files (437 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I think it's likely that Mulder, as a criminal profiler who's come face to face with sadistic serial killers of every stripe, wouldn't want any nutcase out there to be able to purchase firearms without the necessity of permits, background checks, registration, mandatory training, etc.. But I dunno. In Mulder's line of work, guns have regularly proven to be useless and worthless. But I can see Mulder feeling that anyone without a criminal record and sufficient safety training should be permitted to own a gun.
4,314 2016-01-28 16:40:38
Re: The X-Files (437 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Mulder's politics -- I dunno! I'm sure he votes, but given his opinions on the shadow government, I'm sure he thinks the electoral system is a joke. That said, I too find it difficult to believe that Mulder would not broadly support the right to bear arms, although where he stands on registration, permits, concealed and open carry laws is another issue entirely. As someone who worked in law enforcement as a forensic psychiatrist, he might support restrictions on sales, background checks, registration, permits, etc..
I don't think doing THE X-FILES set in 2012 would work if the show airs in 2016. THE X-FILES tries (and often fails) at realism, and the point of the series was that all these strange events take place in visually and physically plausible environment that's our world. It's not really worthwhile to strand THE X-FILES in the past just to get around the alien invasion deadline when it's a dead end anyway.
I was pretty much expecting the colonization plot to be declared to have been dealt with offscreen in some fashion. I expected it to be dealt with in the 2008 movie in a somewhat oblique manner or with some declaration that pollution / reality TV / blue light from smartphones / wifi signals / whatever had rendered Earth unfit for colonization and the aliens had decided that Earth wasn't worth the trouble anymore -- and that while Mulder was disappointed not to see aliens, there were still plenty of vampires / ghosts / werewolves / sorcerers / psychics / telekinetics and whatnot to deal with, so he had plenty to occupy his time.
My favourite casual dismissal would have been the alien colonists' plan involving using human reproductive urges as part of the telepathic drive needed to reproduce their species in human hosts, except their reproductive process would require male/male and female/female pairings -- but a significant portion of the human population had their prejudiced attitudes so deeply engrained that aliens realized it'd be impossible to use the humans as a host race long-term.
MULDER: "Yeah, that's right. Homophobia saved us all." SCULLY: "That's one truth we need to keep buried, Mulder."
I always thought maybe THE X-FILES should have done a "Post Traumatic Slide Syndrome" -- a faux series finale of sorts, just to explain why it couldn't happen. We sort of got this -- in that FIGHT THE FUTURE had Mulder urinate on a poster for INDEPENDENCE DAY.
4,315 2016-01-27 20:25:31
Re: The X-Files (437 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I have to admit -- while I am clearly fascinated by THE X-FILES, the truth is that I'm more intrigued by what could have been on screen rather than what's actually there.
"My Struggle" actually reminds me of a series of Spider-Man comics -- in AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #2, Spider-Man was getting a radio fixed and discovered that the workshop was also a base for aliens plotting to invade the Earth. The lead alien was a villain called the Tinkerer and Spider-Man thwarted their invasion. In the years to come, however, other writers presented the Tinkerer as a human being. Also, as Spider-Man comics progressed, Spidey fighting aliens was just weird.
About twenty years later, another writer brought the aliens back and Spider-Man fought them again, only to discover they were humans in costumes. It was pretty funny.
4,316 2016-01-27 18:21:18
Re: The X-Files (437 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
That would have worked much better. But I'm still not sure that any of this works. We saw a flashback to thousands of years ago, with a caveman being attacked by the black oil. That same black oil was uncovered by a boy in "Dallas" (a desert version of Dallas, with mountains in the background) and sparked the first movie.
Agreed. This retcon was never going to be perfect. I think the only way to get around that stuff would be for a later episode -- maybe the finale -- to show clips of that stuff along with the Syndicate members worrying about the hybrids and the virus and the whatnot -- with the voice of the Cigarette Smoking Man narrating --
And then end with him saying to Mulder: "A tale of terror from before the dawn of life on this planet -- stitched into every page of the story of the human race -- and the most perfect fabrication of falsehoods to lead you and a hundred other self-important fools on a merry chase to nowhere." With the implication that all those historical scenes are part of the Smoking Man's false web of lies and that the Dallas stuff was also staged -- or maybe it was the black oil, but it wasn't part of a colonization plot, that was something the CSM let loose.
Never going to be perfect, but there's ways to make retcons easier to swallow. I think retcons can work so long as the audience can feel like if they're willing to accept the alteration, they're getting something worthwhile in return.
It's kind of funny how this kind of retcon is usually seen in comic books with multiple writers of differing intentions -- whereas Carter was always in charge of THE X-FILES and he's blowing up his own work.
4,317 2016-01-27 17:45:12
Re: The X-Files (437 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
It was very kind of you to say that I should be working in TV -- but if you'd read the original SLIDERS REBORN outline (and you're welcome to see it), you would eat your words.
I'm more of an editor, I think. When people have ideas, I'm good at helping them present those ideas with visual impact and emotional resonance. "I want to reveal that Seasons 1 - 9 were all a trick and there's no alien invasion!" I can help you do that. "I want to have my two heroes locked in the trunk of a car for 12 pages but I can't come up with a good reason!" I can sort that out for you. When it comes to coming up with original ideas, however -- eeeek.
Pretty much every good idea in SLIDERS REBORN was either created by Matt Hutaff and Nigel Mitchell or done as a reaction to them pointing out that something was nonsensical / silly / confusing / stupid. I think I'm just really good at presenting the final version.
4,318 2016-01-27 16:50:04
Re: The X-Files (437 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Yeah -- one of the issues I took with the conspiracies Carter presented was this: we are all slaves of the corporate military complex at this stage. So it is lost on me how Mulder and O'Malley seemed to think that there was an additional endgame -- or some further end than what it already is. What exactly is there to prevent?
And it's amazing that it aired on FOX! That said, I'm not convinced there are risks to drinking water with fluoride or that genetically modified foods are riskier than organic foods.
I posted on Reddit: I think "My Struggle" was a good story but it wasn't told quite right. Here's how I would have done retconned the myth-arc with Carter's new take.
In declaring that there is no conspiracy, I think "My Struggle" needed to: (a) show at the beginning that Mulder is no longer sure he knows anything about the aliens or colonization (b) provide strong evidence that debunks colonization and (c) choose specific scenes from previous episodes and explain how they took place in this new version of continuity where colonization was a hoax.
I would not have used the New Mexico Doctor to establish and confirm Mulder's new theory. Instead, I would do the following.
Establishing Mulder's Doubts: I think our opening scene needed to be a flashback to December 22, 2012. It's Mulder and Scully in a bunker. Mulder is telling Scully what he thinks the aliens are doing to the population -- the bees, the black oil. He couldn't find any way to stop it, all they can do now is hide. But Scully feels doubts; there were no signs in the days leading up to the invasion; they locked themselves in the bunker one day in advance -- Mulder's afraid to turn on the satellite TV or radios and hear what horrors are taking place.
Scully turns on the TV and radio. Everything is normal. There is no invasion. Scully drags Mulder to the surface, leads him into the city. Everything is fine. No alien attack. Scully is overjoyed and relieved. Mulder is crushed and shattered.
So, this immediately sets up how everything Mulder believed in was wrong and it broke him. Later scenes set in the present establish very specifically why Scully dumped him: the man was depressed over not being murdered by aliens. For God's sake.
This would weight to Mulder being irritated by people joking about alien invasions.
Debunk Colonization: I think the evidence that Tad O'Malley showed should not have been an alien replicant vehicle. Instead, it should have been the contents of a military bunker he uncovered. The bunker contains the black oil -- but it's a highly advanced prop.
There's also facial prosthetics for people to dress up as the faceless rebels. An apparatus for setting people on fire. Prop aliens and alien costumes. Holographic emitters to create the illusion of UFOs. Stockpiles of hallucinogenic drugs that could create the illusion of missing time.
In short, Tad shows Mulder the prop closet for 1013's productions and this now makes Mulder realize that what he's seen could have been staged.
Reviewing Previous Episodes: So, when Mulder shares his new theory with Scully -- that there is no alien conspiracy -- I would have Scully respond with recounting the events of previous episodes. The spaceship in FIGHT THE FUTURE. The supersoldiers. Mulder's abduction. Mulder then replies with his opinions on how those events could have been staged. Scully points out the Syndicate members all believed in colonization. Mulder suggests that contact with aliens might have been limited to one person who would filter and alter any information he received.
Mulder's theory: war is the primary means by which society is industrialized and now the primary factor in controlling the population of individual countries. A falsified, simulated war against an alien race would be a means to global control.
Basically, I don't think Chris Carter's ideas were bad. I think his ideas are brilliant! I just think maybe he didn't do as great a job as he needed to on selling these ideas to his audience.
4,319 2016-01-25 20:39:57
Re: The X-Files (437 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
The more I think about Mulder switching from believing in an alien invasion to a consortium of men with commandeered alien technology, the less I believe it -- at least as it's presented onscreen. This is a massive 180 from nine seasons and 203 episodes in which the alien invasion was presented as genuine and real. And I think the problem is that Carter hasn't really thought through how to debunk the alien conspiracy. The last time THE X-FILES was on TV, Carter laid out the impending alien invasion with an hour of characters sitting in court explaining various clips. Fourteen years later, the alien conspiracy is declared to be non-existent, the faceless rebels are ridiculed -- because Carter says so now. The reality around the characters has shifted. Nobody could possibly go back and watch the myth-arc episodes and think, this is totally building to a story where it's all debunked!
In fact, there is no real debunking to be found onscreen. So, if there is no colonization plot, who were the faceless rebels and what's the black oil and were the Syndicate also tricked and if there's no alien invasion then who created and deployed all the supersoldiers!?!?!?!? Paradoxically, I absolutely believe this retcon was an inescapable necessity, but I'm not sure the execution was quite right. I think the problem is that I don't believe the script for "My Struggle" is actually *informed* by any clear sense of how to debunk the mythology -- it's simply been declared as fraudulent by authorial decree.
Apologies for the blatant self promotion here, but I decided that, regardless of logic, sense or reason, Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo would be alive and well for SLIDERS REBORN. But I did know how they came back to life. I could explain it. I could explain how they ended up back home and why the Kromagg invasion never happened. I just didn't think it was interesting enough to put in the scripts. But I did have an answer. It wasn't necessarily a great answer, but I can certainly tell you what they did after Season 5 and what happened. I just preferred to do Season 20.
Well, we're on Season 24 of THE X-FILES and I get the uncomfortable sense that Carter doesn't really know what happened between Seasons 9 - 24 and he doesn't really care how Season 24 reflects on the nine seasons he's retroactively altering.
I think we need a webcomic or a digital novella to offer a retconned view of Seasons 1 - 9 to really sell this reworking.
4,320 2016-01-25 18:51:46
Re: The X-Files (437 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
It was a blog post.
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Oddly -- at one point, I joked to Matt that Joel McHale had a role in THE X-FILES and he'd be playing Informant. This was before I knew that Tad O'Malley would be a 9-11 Truther.
I did get the sense that Mulder and Scully were just spouting their catchphrases at each other. It worked for me in that these two people have known each other for so long that they just speak in shorthand.
I think Chris Carter is a fine writer, but he has constantly written stories he doesn't want to write. It's very obvious that Carter doesn't want to write epic alien invasion stories or fate of the world situations. He wants to write grounded, done-in-one procedurals with supernatural overtones. Any time he tries to write an epic, he stumbles. "My Struggle" had to reintroduce THE X-FILES and pay off the overdue alien invasion without interfering with letting the next four episodes' writers do their monsters of the week in their way in their own style. In that sense, Chris Carter did a nice job.
The only thing that really, really, really did not work -- the majority of the fans are complaining that Mulder talked to one alien abductee, saw one man-made spaceship and declared that the alien invasion was a hoax and totally changed his beliefs in ten minutes. This isn't actually accurate. The dialogue clearly establishes that Mulder has doubted the alien invasion for ten years, ever since he met the Roswell doctor who autopsied aliens and declares the faceless rebels setting people on fire to be absurd nonsense.
However, for this transition to work -- I think "My Struggle" needed to make it clear from the first scene: Mulder no longer knows what to believe. So ideally, the first scene should have been Mulder and Scully in a bunker on December 26, 2012. Mulder is ranting about how the world has been destroyed, doomsday is here. Scully says she understand why he thinks that, she just doesn't *feel* it. She turns on a radio. A TV. Everything is normal. They ascend to the surface. There was no invasion. Scully is overjoyed. Mulder is crushed. And that is where Mulder lost his way and his relationship with Scully -- Scully couldn't be with a man who found the absence of an alien invasion to be cause for misery.
Instead, Carter's characterization -- like Tim Kring's -- is vague and unspecific and Mulder having been doubtful of Colonization for ten years is thrown out so suddenly that one could easily miss it. That's why that plot point doesn't land, in addition to the retcon being in total contradiction to pretty much every onscreen myth-arc event ever, albeit no more contradictory than all the other contradictions in that mythos.