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Just a small follow-up --

What happened with David Peckinpah and Bill Dial could have happened to any one of us. We've all held crazy grudges to the point where they warp logic, reason, sense and basic facts. We've all engaged in ill-advised and hurtful pranks because causing people alarm and annoyance seemed more important than regarding each other with respect and kindness. Turning Quinn into a pivotal Chosen One in an interdimensional war is something any fanfic writer might misguidedly do after a long STAR WARS marathon. Turning home into a Kromagg battleground is something any artist might do when mistaking cynicism and horror for depth and meaning.

It's just that when we screw up, we're probably not doing it on a national stage, but that's merely due to circumstance. David Peckinpah had the grave misfortune to be in a very bad place when he was creating broadcast drama. Don't know much about Bill Dial other than many staffers describing him as a petty jerk and Robert Floyd describing him as a sweet and loving genius. But given that Dial spent his post-SLIDERS career getting in stupid online fights with slider1525, it's safe to assume he was a pretty messed up guy as well.

Could've been any of us. For that reason, my final SLIDERS script will be dedicated to David Peckinpah and pay tribute to some of the ideas he introduced to the show.

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omnimercurial wrote:

Did you get around to watching the Sci Fi "Humans" ireactions? Apparantly that is getting a Season 2 with all the original cast. In the case of Misfits however the Show was a suprise success which could explain some of it.

BEING HUMAN's US remake aired its fourth and final season in 2014. I don't mean to be rude, but I have to ask -- are you from the past? In a recent post, you said you'd discovered a new show called RINGER which lasted one season between 2011 - 2012. It's like you're writing posts from 2 - 3 years behind.

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I wonder -- how about a SLIDERS gender-flipped reboot where Quinn, Remy and Max are women and Wade is a man?

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Hmm. Never mind. I was having a bit of a creative crisis here, but I've decided that being derivative is okay so long as the borrowed ideas are, if not SLIDERS-esque in their presentation, at least presented in a way that's tailored specifically to Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo. I think SLIDERS REBORN has, up to this point, been a fun read. It's not a transcendental experience that will expand your consciousness and redefine every preconception you've ever had, but it's a good time! And so long as it stays a good time, it's worthwhile. Thank God. I can go to bed now.

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I don't know enough about Red Dwarf to comment, but I will say that UK television operates on a much lower economic scale than American television. The reason American TV can have 22 - 25 episode seasons is because of the huge amount of money available to pay and maintain a large writing staff with the resources to produce and film material relentlessly. The reason American TV can keep actors for seven years is because of huge sums paid to the actors to make them contractually obligated to stay with the show for multiple seasons.

In the UK, actors are only contracted for one run of episodes at a time unless it's a huge-scale, globally popular project like DOCTOR WHO and even then, the contracts are short compared to US television. Shows like HEX, BEING HUMAN, MISFITS and others only have the budget to shoot a small number of episodes a year. The money is not enough for an actor to live off of for the year, so they have to find other jobs in the meantime. Sometimes, a new season of the show is commissioned -- but the actor is not available as they've taken another job or they have no wish to return or they've lost interest -- and so the faces change.

The TV series, MISFITS, had a carefully chosen cast with the perfect blend of actors -- and one by one, they fell through the cracks of single-season contracts. The final episode of MISFITS had absolutely nobody who'd been in the first episode and each departed character left MISFITS adrift, confused and indistinct as a show with no idea of what it was about. HEX tried to play losing its lead character as shocking, but it was just awkward. BEING HUMAN had a fairly reasonable way of removing its lead actor that worked -- but then the supporting actors decided to leave with the lead actor and it was just inane, with one character dying offscreen between seasons and the other being abruptly killed off.

The system just doesn't work. I have no idea how they can fix it.

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Scene from "Regenesis":

QUINN: "We travelled so far and saw so much. And now everyone we ever met, everything we ever saw -- Remmy, it's all gone. What was the point? What was it all for?"
REMBRANDT: "Well, it's been twenty-one years and the four of us are still together. Living in the same house with eighteen Maggie Becketts and your mom. What else d'you need to know?"
ME: "Crap. I think I stole this sentiment from GIRL MEETS WORLD. Damn it. WHY AM I SO INCAPABLE OF ORIGINAL THOUGHT?"

Ian McDuffie once said SLIDERS would destroy you. I protested that it would simply reveal you, and what I feel is being revealed here is that my writing is good and original, but the parts that are original are not good and the parts that are good are not original.

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And now for another episode of Tech Talk, with Quinn Mallory (or rather, the only person to put words in Quinn's mouth in recent years).

I managed to write about 65 per cent of SLIDERS REBORN's second script on the iPad with a Bluetooth keyboard. But there came a point when I needed the beat sheet side by side with the script, maps and photos of San Francisco next to the word processor, cross-sections of digital clocks next to Final Draft. And the desktop/HTPC setup in the living room wasn't conducive to Work. At this point, I sold some old phones and bought a new laptop. The Asus Transformer T100 CHI. It's a 10-inch Windows 10 tablet with a keyboard.

It's not a powerhouse laptop -- but there's something incredibly *cool* about it. It's very cool; this thing is made of metal and the surface always feels refrigerator chilled. And it's 2.3 pounds. The speakers are surprisingly robust once volume normalization is activated. The screen is sharp; 1920 x 1200 pixels is pretty impressive for $425. It's running on Intel Atom with 2 GB of RAM and eMMC memory, but it's incredibly responsive. Mostly. Firefox freezes every two seconds on this machine, but an offshoot, Pale Moon, runs just fine, suggesting it's less this laptop and more Firefox.

The battery life is a little weird on this thing. I've gotten nine hours of typing and web searches on the laptop. But when watching video or reading comics, it only gets about 3 - 4 hours. It's probably because typing and reading text don't require more than 10 per cent brightness, but multimedia has me raising the brightness to the 9/10 mark.

There are other quirks that are a little odd. The keyboard-mouse dock connects to the tablet section via Bluetooth. Periodically, the keyboard dock loses the connection with the tablet and I need to turn the dock off and on again. About once a month, the touchpad becomes oddly slow and unresponsive and I've had to run a repair-install on the mouse drivers and software.

There's no USB port, only a microUSB 3.0 port, so I had to spend five bucks on an adapter and a USB 3.0 hub to get me some full-sized ports. There's only 64 GB of memory in the tablet, so I had to put in a 128GB microSD card to store more files. The screen is ridiculously reflective; I had to put an anti-glare protector on it to use it outside of pitch-black rooms. The back of the tablet was hard to grip, so I had to put a plastic skin to reduce the risk of dropping it.

There's a back-facing camera on the tablet. I have no idea why it's there or how to even get a program to use it.

So, it's a weird little machine, but I have come to love it and have produced a SLIDERS screenplay and novella with it that, at this point, four whole people have read. I was kind of hoping it could replace the iPad, but the battery life just isn't there for video playback or full-brightness use. But it's kind of cool.

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Sometimes, I feel so crushingly insecure about my writing. Nigel Mitchell gave me alt-histories, I picked and chose from his ideas and I may have picked and chosen all the wrong things. And then there's the, well, stealing. "Good artists borrow, great artists steal?" That's actually a misrepresentation of the actual philosophy, which is that bad artists imitate while great artists may imitate but will ultimately improve on the original. I don't know if that's what's happening here.

The resurrection of the sliders is stolen from THE WOLVERINE. Quinn's seeming indifference to people in trouble only to reveal he's been formulating a plan to help is stolen from... oh, any number of DOCTOR WHO novels, throw a rock at my shelf and you'll hit one just like it. The recitation of events from absurd Season 3 episodes with exasperation or deadpan calm is likewise stolen from DW along with the doomsday clocks modelled on "The Power of Three"'s McGuffins. The scripting style is lifted from Dan Harmon's episodes of COMMUNITY, Laurel is written by looking at my friend Laurie and replacing all her biographical details while keeping the attitude, the doomsday situation is stolen from "Last Days," there's a bunch of bantering exchanges in "Revelation" modelled on the brother-sister arguments in WONDERFALLS, the disarming of the doomsday clocks is stolen from the disarming the bombs sequence in the FLASH/ARROW crossover, the technobabble is modelled on Steven Moffat's approach to plot devices, Quinn's intelligence is portrayed in sequences 'inspired' by SHERLOCK, the confrontation is stolen from "The Other Slide of Darkness" and it's kind of ironic that a series like SLIDERS is really revealing my own failures of imagination here. I'm writing "Regenesis" now and it has weaponized sliding -- the ability to teleport anything and anyone to anywhere on Earth is the most dangerous weapon ever conceived -- and it is so painfully obvious to me that I'm treating sliding like superspeed in THE FLASH.

That said, the audience doesn't seem to mind too much, at least not the ones who write to me -- they notice parallels with DOCTOR WHO, but they say reading the scripts was a great time. And I'm glad. But it *bugs* me.

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Someone recently commented that the only difference between SLIDERS REBORN and "Slide Effects" is that REBORN will likely end up about 460 pages in total while "Slide Effects" is 46 pages and pretty much the same story.

It was rather harsh and hurtful, but it had the one virtue of being arguably true. ;-)

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I find myself pondering -- how about imagining SLIDERS for a different market and demographic? What if it were a 22-minute Disney Channel sitcom aimed at pre-teens or an edgier MTV 22-minute dramedy aimed at the teen and college-age viewing audience? Would Quinn be 13 - 15? Maybe Wade's his college-aged computer science tutor?

Or how about imagining SLIDERS as a BBC production? I guess it would resemble the original SLIDERS in that, as with most BBC shows, constant cast turnover would mean that almost none of the Season 1 characters would still be in the show by the final season.

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ireactions wrote:

Hunnh. I was typing up my thoughts on the fifth episode -- but my thoughts are pretty much the same as the ones I had on the fourth episode, only with different scenes to give as examples of Kring's flawed writing.

.... so, nothing to add here. *sigh* It's really sad to see.

Um. I have pretty much the same opinion of the sixth episode. Well. I'll say this for HEROES REBORN; it's certainly efficient to review! All you need is an initial review and to set it up like a form letter.

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Tom and Cory enjoyed "Genesis" and "Prophets and Loss" plenty, and I could see why. They pointed out how both episodes, respectively written by executive producers David Peckinpah and Bill Dial, are extremely skillful pieces of television.

Cory points out how efficient the scripting is. "Genesis": the Season 3 cliffhanger, Maggie's breathing and the Kromagg invasion of Earth are established in a mere 10 - 15 minutes. The atmosphere of the invasion is horrific and compelling with background details and precise lines of dialogue indicating how the Kromaggs are merciless sadists.

Peckinpah remarked in an interview that he hesitated to make "Genesis" as dark as he did, but he committed to selling sheer helplessness of the human race and how the Kromaggs are totally implacable and unstoppable. It's a shocking turn of events; the sliders' homecoming is a nightmare. Once again, Peckinpah is a professional screenwriter and he does a professional's job in rendering the content. Cory and Tom noted how all these details created a compelling sense of loss and darkness.

The same can be said of "Prophets and Loss." Tom notes how well-structured the script is throughout. The Cadmus character witnesses the sliders' vortex and calls it in, yet this never comes up when the sliders are captured, an odd note that pays off at the end. When the sliders are brought in for questioning, the authorities are friendly, warm, charismatic and the sliders are awkward, nervous and led into giving themselves away.

Tom notes how intricate and subtle the scripting is, letting the conversation play out in almost real-time as an amiable chat becomes a forced detention. Cory and Tom were also impressed by the carefully crafted characterization where only Gareth is seen to operate the machine that incinerates people.

It's also a nicely shot episode. Location filming, great blocking, terrific guest-stars with David Birney as Cadmus and Connor Trineer as Samson. Well done, Mr. Peckinpah and Mr. Dial. I HATE THESE TWO EPISODES. They are two of the worst episodes of SLIDERS ever made. They completely DESTROY EVERYTHING in SLIDERS that matters to me and if I had the time and energy, I would personally round up every DVD set of Season 4 and return them to NBCUniversal through their front window with a complimentary brick attached to every box.

"Genesis" completely destroys the SLIDERS storytelling engine. Once you have the Kromaggs invade 'Earth Prime,' the sliders officially no longer come from our world and they have no connection to anything the audience considers home because there was no Kromagg invasion on our world the last time I checked. As a result, you can no longer use the sliders as audience surrogates and compare alternate realities to their own world with a contrast that is in any way meaningful to the viewer. The fundamentalist-ruled Earth of "Prophets and Loss" is a ****ing paradise compared to the Earth of "Genesis."

Anyone can relate to feeling homesick. There is absolutely nobody who can relate to being the chosen one in an interdimensional war that has turned your adopted Earth into an alien battleground and sent you searching for a mysterious superweapon that might liberate your world. That's just nonsense.

There's also the fact that "Genesis" warps SLIDERS into something *incredibly* convoluted. Quinn Mallory found the gateway to parallel dimensions. But on his first adventure, he lost the way back home. Simple Straightforward. Elegant. Beautiful.

Quinn Mallory found the gateway to parallel dimensions, but once he made it home, home was invaded by the Kromagg Dynasty, a race of interdimensional conquerers, and then Quinn's mother revealed to him that he was actually a refugee from a different dimension in which humans and the Kromaggs once lived in peace until a war between their races saw the Kromaggs driven off with an obscure superweapon that Quinn is now hoping to find in order to liberate his adopted home and oh my God this is terrible.

And Wade. Okay. This is just stupid. Setting aside David Peckinpah's obvious misogyny and unprofessionalism towards his employees present and former -- the script completely mishandles this because it sets up Wade's situation as one that needs to be resolved. This is just idiotic; if the actress has left, Wade's capture is a plotline that can only be resolved if Sabrina Lloyd returns, and after "Genesis," she sure as hell won't. Martin Izsak, a noted SLIDERS reviewer, observed that SLIDERS had created a "narrative debt" that it couldn't possibly pay off.

Mike Truman said, very simply, they should have killed Wade off. Let Quinn and Rembrandt mourn a corpse with the face off camera. And move on. That's one way. I wouldn't have done that.

I would have modified Starke's line to Quinn and have Starke say that Wade is about to be shipped off with numerous women to a rape camp. Then, when Marta, Rembrandt and Maggie rescue Quinn, Quinn insists they go to rescue the women as well. They storm the holding area -- only to find numerous Kromagg corpses and a hole in the wall. Wade is gone.

Resume the same plot as before with Quinn receiving the message from his birth parents, considering with Rembrandt and Maggie whether or not they'll stay and fight Kromaggs or search for the superweapon. And then, fiddling with a radio, they suddenly hear a broadcast. It's a speech being given by "Commander Wade Welles" of the human resistance, saying she's hacked the Kromagg frequencies. And she urges everyone -- soldier or prisoner, slave or civillian -- to keep fighting and not to give up. (Hire a soundalike?)

Quinn and Rembrandt realize that while Wade is fighting the war back home, they have to slide off and find weapons to aid her in the war. And we end on that. If Sabrina Lloyd returns to play Commander Welles, awesome. If not -- we know what she's doing and we're glad she's doing it.

It would certainly make "Prophets and Loss" more palatable, where Quinn and Rembrandt are upbeat and cheerful. Because as aired, "Prophets and Loss" makes no sense whatsoever for the characters. How can Quinn and Rembrandt be so lighthearted? So cheerful? So upbeat? So at ease? Quinn's mother is a Kromagg prisoner. Everyone Rembrandt has ever known or cared about is enslaved or dead. Bennish. Alesha. Danielle. Daelin. Wing. The Professor's son. Rembrandt's parents. Hurley. Wade.

And furthermore, how can the sliders be so utterly indifferent to the resistance back home? The timer lets them slide back to Earth Prime. How can they be joking around and hanging out? Why aren't they periodically sliding back to Earth Prime with supplies for the people fighting and dying for their world?

"Prophets and Loss" features Quinn and Rembrandt encountering a despotic regime and toppling it with absurd ease. If it's so easy, so simple, so straightforward, why did they ever leave Earth Prime under Kromagg rule?

I think the reason SLIDERS was so special to me in Seasons 1 - 2 and parts of 3 was because I would have loved to be a slider. Having amazing adventures with the best of friends. But the delight and joy was mixed with the tragic longing for home.

With Season 4, I don't want to be a slider and I can't relate to these people at all. The Kromagg Invasion has warped these characters into something unrecognizable, especially with their bizarre lack of reaction immediately afterwards. The Kromagg Invasion plot is not something SLIDERS can execute properly without a commitment to ongoing, episode-to-episode characterization.

And the Kromaggs. Okay, I'm out of energy. I'll deal with the Kromaggs when we get to "Common Ground."

It's really sad. Season 4 brought with it freedom from FOX, freedom from episodes being aired out of order, freedom from the numerous content restrictions that came with airing on a major network. Season 4 could have done absolutely anything. But instead, Season 4 dismantled the very concept of sliding by turning the sliders from relatable human beings into aliens.

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I was a huge fan of MY SECRET IDENTITY, featuring Jerry O'Connell as a superpowered teenager. And when I saw the Pilot commercials with Jerry saying, "Same planet -- different dimension," I was very keen to see more. I found the Pilot rather alienating and ugly as a child and "Fever" was extremely disturbing, but I felt utterly compelled by the characters and their situation. I wasn't too keen on the show until "Prince of Wails" -- Rembrandt's grumbling monologue about wishing he'd taken the freeway instead of the shortcut past Quinn's house made me laugh uncontrollably. Quinn inspiring the rebels, Wade inspiring the Prince and the Prince's entire arc through the episode delighted me. And at that point, I just loved SLIDERS so much, although I preferred the light comedy to the darker episodes. The Professor was the father figure I'd always wanted; wise but flaws, and when he gets angry, it's not terrifying, it's hilarious.

I really love the comic side of SLIDERS, which you can probably tell from the more recent screenplays I've written. Abed Nadir on COMMUNITY, as scripted by Dan Harmon and Chris McKenna, says the following of TV:

"There is skill to it. It has to be joyful. Effortless. Fun. TV defeats its own purpose when it's pushing an agenda. Or trying to defeat other TV. Or being proud or ashamed of itself for existing. It's TV! It's comfort. It's a friend you've known so well and for so long. You just let it be with you. And it needs to be okay for it to have a bad day. Or phone in a day. And it needs to be okay for it to get on a boat with Levar Burton and never come back. Because eventually, it all will."

The sliders were my friends. That is the saddest, most pathetic thing I have ever said about myself. But anyone who has ever read my writing or seen my posts on this Bboard already knew that to be true.

I would say that a huge part of what's kept SLIDERS in my life is the (online) friendships I've made. Because there was a time when I fled SLIDERS. The horror show of Seasons 3 - 5 reminded me a bit of how bleak and miserable Russian World and Fever World were and I stepped away from SLIDERS when the Professor died. It was too bleak. Too horrifying. When it started airing weekly on the SPACE channel in Canada, I rediscovered it and loved it and despised it in equal measure. And then Temporal Flux and I would instant message a lot over AIM and I asked him so many questions and pleaded with him to help me understand how SLIDERS could have become such a mutilated monstrosity. TF was so patient. So kind. So reassuring. And there was that time I accidentally uploaded porn onto the Sci-Fi Channel server and he came to my aid.

If you must know: I was working on some manipulated images for the Infinite Slides fanfic project and they needed a decent photo of Season 3 Maggie where she wasn't glaring or scowling or sexually aroused. I searched the web and was also combing through the Sci-Fi Channel's FTP server. I found a neat photo (not on Sci-Fi's site) where Kari had an unusually neutral expression and Season 3-esque hair, but she was also naked. I was also dragging Season 4 photos off the Sci-Fi Channel site, thinking I might be able to mix and match faces and hair. At the time, my computer was really slow and prone to freezing up and I managed to drag the nude photo of Kari onto the Sci-Fi Channel server and replace one of the publicity photos with the nude image.

I was so sure Sci-Fi was going to track me down and sue me for this. I was also afraid that my mother would find out I had a nude image of Kari Wuhrer on the computer. I was 13-years-old. I swear to God I only had the nude photo for artistic purposes, but I didn't think that would fly with her.

TF talked me off the ledge and helped me sort it out, finding me the contact info for Sci-Fi's web design firm and they amended the situation. I also hear he saved Christmas for someone awhile ago.

I've also become really close with Transmodiar over the last few years, although I probably won't share too much of the nonsense we've been engaging with until I finish the twentieth anniversary special. Unless I change my mind.

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I posted my review in iTunes and the review just DISAPPEARED and didn't SHOW UP IN THE PAGE! DIE, iTunes! Die die die! Ugh. iTunes is so awful I have to use iMazing just to get files on and off my iPad Mini.

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Slide Override wrote:
ireactions wrote:

Tracy Torme conceived a story, "Slide Effects," to undo the David Peckinpah era in a single episode and get back to basics with Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo. The story rewinds time to the Pilot, then reveals the scenario (and all the episodes from "The Exodus" onward) to be a Kromagg simulation.

Oh wow. That would have been a massive 'f - you' and had the potential to get the show back on track. A shame, though I kinda feel like the damage had been done. I wonder if it could have taken off?

Well, you can see one fan's version of "Slide Effects" here. That said, it is a *fan*work. The second half of the 46-page script consists almost entirely of the Season 2 sliders watching clips of Seasons 3 - 5, horrified by the future ahead of them. This would not have been how Tracy Torme would have done it.

For one thing, Torme would never have bothered to watch Seasons 3 - 5 in their entirety. For another, TV doesn't really work that way; you can't have two whole acts confined to the same location with people standing around talking. I imagine that, rather than a clipshow, Torme's story would have had the Kromaggs tempting the sliders with offering a permanent illusion of home and happiness in exchange for information that would allow them to invade the sliders home Earth.

The sliders would have the chance to live (dream) lives of life where sliding was never created. But the sliders would reject the offer, declaring that sliding has made them all the best they can be and that they would never trade their adventures and friendship for anything.

At this point, they would escape the simulation, escape the Kromaggs, and slide off to new adventures, having realized that as long as Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo are together, they're home.

I don't think it would necessarily have been spiteful and angry towards Seasons 3 - 5 -- in that I don't think Torme would have been sufficiently familiar with the episodes to say much about them.

omnimercurial wrote:

Why not a Combination approach? New and Original Sliders/Original Sliders Older Doubles? New Characters to appeal to new viewers and the Awesome Foursome for us Old Skool Fans? Your new Stuff ireactions features A New Girl and original Sliders dabbled with Guests even if usually for a one off Slide to varying success so perhaps...? Balancing it all might be difficult but I feel it a worthwhile endeavour.

I think the NEXT GENERATION approach is something you only get to do if the previous generation was a success, which SLIDERS simply wasn't. Also, I think it is a little selfish to inflict a NEXT GENERATION approach onto a modern day audience. We got to see Quinn discover sliding. Step into the vortex for the first time. Experience a parallel reality for the first time. Knowing that he was a pioneer.

I feel like if we restart SLIDERS with sliding having been around for 20 years, we are denying our fellow audience members the chance to experience the joy and wonder of discovery that we got to feel in 1995. Admittedly, the Pilot undermines this almost immediately with Smarter Quinn having discovered sliding before our Quinn, so this is *entirely* a personal opinion that you can easily dismiss.

SPOILERS FOR REBORN


















"Reminiscence" declares that there was the original Tracy Torme timeline for Seasons 1 - 4, but due to the events of "The Unstuck Man," reality was altered and the version of SLIDERS we watched on television was a corrupted, damaged version of the actual events. For example, "Reminiscence" refers to "Paradise Lost," but describes it as an overpopulated world where death had been conquered and birth was seen as an abomination -- indicating that the sliders did experience versions of Seasons 3  - 4 before the Combine warped their lives -- it's just that they were similar concepts and plots executed Torme & Weiss style.

In the original timeline, Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo probably did encounter another Kromagg invasion, encountered an America ruled by religious fundamentalists, accidentally rescued a Kromagg commander, encountered a world dominated by virtual reality, got stuck in a slidecage, saw Quinn and Wade living in a bubble universe, etc.. So you could do Wade's POV of Season 4 by pretending that Torme and Weiss took the same concepts and rewrote the scripts top to bottom.

And then you could do a secondary POV where when asked about the events of Seasons 4 - 5, this alternate Wade from the Geiger-corrupted timeline describes being raped and impregnated and giving birth before she got her brain cut into and was put inside the jukebox from the movie BIG. (I suppose you could always soften it up by saying that the Kromaggs were simply harvesting her eggs and that the Wade in "Requiem" was a clone-slash-cyborg with some of the original Wade's memories and the real Wade escaped before that.)

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LOST ROOM is great. Eerie. Mysterious. And filled with ideas; it's like five seasons of a TV show in three movies, and I loved the hypercompressed, concept-filled story with a series finale built right into it. The ending was suitably ambiguous, serving both as a conclusion AND allowing for more stories someday. It wasn't like PARALLELS; LOST ROOM was fine all by itself -- although I certainly wouldn't mind seeing more. Best kind of ending. :-)

Ack! I meant "Revelation" and "Reminiscence." "Regenesis" has not even been written yet.

I've been at this too long.

Funny story: In her autobiography, Melissa Joan Hart (Clarissa) semi-brags/has regrets about hooking up with Jerry O'Connell!

The explanation only makes sense if you've read "Revelation" and "Regenesis," so let me know if/when you ever do. :-D

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Hmm, yes. I, too, have many works of sublime brilliance that will forever change the world and the people in it -- or would, except that they were never written, completed or published. Fellow writers will understand what I mean.

A couple days ago, I was putting together a list of Seasons 1 - 5 episodes for EP.COM. Just to mess around with the webmaster, I also included Season 6 -- which consisted entirely of the fanfics listed above.

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God damn it. I hate the whole world and everything in it -- but I only feel that way when I'm trying to get iTunes to work on my computer.

... but you guys plugged SLIDERS REBORN and I owe you. Fine. Fine fine fine fine fine. I will find some way to get iTunes going. Dagnabbit, it CRASHED AGAIN. Uh. I think my friend, Laurie, has a MacBook. I'll go see her tomorrow.

If you get to the Season 4 episodes, I have a suggestion for how to handle it. :-)

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Generally, I think that when a show premieres, the actors have about 10 years where they still look to be relatively the same age as when they started. Tracy Torme conceived a story, "Slide Effects," to undo the David Peckinpah era in a single episode and get back to basics with Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo. The story rewinds time to the Pilot, then reveals the scenario (and all the episodes from "The Exodus" onward) to be a Kromagg simulation. This story, however, depends on the actors still looking to be close to their 1995 ages. You could sort of get away with a 31-year-old Jerry pretending to be 20 again -- lengthen the hair, watch the angles -- and then, when Quinn wakes up, you could have the lines and age in his face come off as the texture of reality versus the softened look of the simulation.

"Slide Effects" was a viable one-episode solution to getting SLIDERS back on track until about 2005. It's a shame the show wasn't brought back before that point for at least a short six episode run. That was the simplest, most effective, most immediate way of creating a bridge from Seasons 3 - 5 back to the simplicity of the original concept.

After 2005, the options became more complicated.

The only viable route I can see to reviving the show today and with the original cast is having older doubles discover sliding at a later point in their lives. Possibly with some gimcrackery to subtly hint that these are the same people we met in 1995 -- it's just that, for some reason, their memories were altered or history was changed.

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Thanks, TF! I suspect that the title may end up being "Recruitment."

"Regenesis" is set one year after "Revelation." The sliders will have gone from being a ragtag team of five to a much larger operation. I don't know how necessary the shorts will be, but if the contrast between the characters at the end of "Revelation" and the start of "Regenesis" is too jarring without a transition, the shorts can be used to facilitate the character shifts. If I do end up doing the shorts, I'll likely want to find some linking plot between them. The linking plot could probably be the sliders recruiting people to join them.

Oddly, the novella that fills in the 2000 - 2015 gap between "The Seer" and REBORN was at one point called "Reassessment" -- in that the plot featured Dr. Matthew Liebling performing a psychiatric reassessment of a patient claiming to be an interdimensional travelled named Quinn Mallory. The plot stayed the same, the title became "Reminiscence."

The titles all beginning with RE may be silly, but I've committed to it now. :-) I know you don't really read fanfic, but, as always, thank you for your encouragement.

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ireactions wrote:

.................................

I think I might need to expand SLIDERS REBORN to six installments.

(That agonized wail in the distance is the voice of the EP.COM webmaster who is terrified at the notion of having to talk through another installment of this series over Google Hangouts instead of doing actual work.)

(Oh relax. I just realized that there's a one-year gap between "Revelation" and "Regenesis" and about five 10-page shorts might be necessary to address the time gap.)

(Anyone want to suggest titles beginning with the letters R and E?)

Informant wrote:

Repurposed
Repose
Rerun
Relive
Rehash
Reconstitute
Redirect
Remix
Resume
Reassemble
Relish
Reverberate
Recognize
Reset
Recast
Revisit

Thanks, Informant. It may be "Reassemble." It may be "Remix." It may be nothing. I'm going to finish Part 5 and see if the time gap is a something that should be filled or something that should be left alone.

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.................................

I think I might need to expand SLIDERS REBORN to six installments.

(That agonized wail in the distance is the voice of the EP.COM webmaster who is terrified at the notion of having to talk through another installment of this series over Google Hangouts instead of doing actual work.)

(Oh relax. I just realized that there's a one-year gap between "Revelation" and "Regenesis" and about five 10-page shorts might be necessary to address the time gap.)

(Anyone want to suggest titles beginning with the letters R and E?)

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SLIDERS (2013): http://freepdfhosting.com/ab3f9e4b78.pdf -- It was an interesting enterprise. Writing a reboot script for SLIDERS with all the advantages that shows like FRINGE, CHUCK and COMMUNITY enjoyed. It didn't work out for a variety of reasons. The main reason is that I think it was asking way, way, way too much of the message board posters to work together on the story.

Posters gradually stopped contributing; I posted the script and received pretty much no feedback for almost half a year from the very people who'd written the outline. Why? Because I had turned a fun discussion into Labour and Effort and it wasn't a good time for them anymore. They didn't want to form a writer's room; they wanted to banter about an imaginary reboot. My fault, everyone. I seek to atone with this thread.

At the time, this zero-budget, PDF screenplay format seemed to be the future of SLIDERS, but the project quietly faded away like a lavishly planned date that we suddenly found we couldn't afford. Except that really *did* turn out to be the future -- in format if not in content.

intangirble wrote:

The only way I could see to do it would be to film your (ireactions') scripts, bringing back the Fab Four and casting them as their older selves. That's the only reboot I'd tolerate.

Uh. Read "Revelation" and "Reminiscence" before you commit to that opinion. :-)

It's odd. Reboot used to mean restarting continuity. Now it means bringing back any series that's been away for awhile. SLIDERS REBORN is not a realistic revival. It only appeals to 15 - 20 people on the Internet. I don't think of SLIDERS REBORN as the 2015 live-action revival anyway, I think of it as the 2015 comic book. REBORN is not something that can introduce SLIDERS to a new generation of fans.

I've always liked Temporal Flux's idea for a reboot. In 2000, he told me his idea for a SLIDERS movie. It would be a new Pilot. In 2001, Quinn Mallory and his friends find the gateway to parallel worlds, but on their first adventure, they lose their way back home. These would be doubles of the original sliders on an Earth where Quinn was older when he discovered sliding. Quinn would be studying for his doctorate, Wade would be designing promotions for Doppler Computers, Rembrandt would be a music teacher and the Professor would be the same. The 1995 - 2000 sliders would be set aside.

As the years passed, I have mentally updated the characters for this reboot. So, in my 2015 approach to TF's idea: Quinn would be a tax accountant who lost his passion for science after failing to create anti-gravity in 1994. Wade would be a tech journalist who has become utterly fed up with doing laptop and smartphone reviews. Rembrandt is running a coffee bar and moderately successful, but he only truly comes alive on open mic nights when he sings for an audience. The Professor is in disgrace after proposing some theory the scientific community was not prepared to accept and is now writing scientific study guides for desperate high school students. They are all failures in some way, some more than others.

Quinn and Wade have not been friends since that strange day in 1994 when Quinn kissed her and then denied it ever happened. The Professor and Quinn lost their relationship in 1994 as well, when Quinn mocked and insulted the Professor in full view of his class. Quinn has no memory of these events and never been able to explain himself.

When Amanda Mallory dies, Quinn goes to the house to clear out his things before selling the property. He visits his old basement for the first time in years, examining his abandoned anti-gravity project. And then he accidentally triggers the vortex. After visiting a parallel Earth and returning, Quinn finally realizes what happened in 1994; he opened a gateway to parallel worlds that must have attracted a sliding double who kissed Wade and insulted the Professor. He calls Wade and the Professor and pleads for them to visit; he explains what happened and shows them the vortex. Wade is eager to explore, the Professor reluctantly agrees, and when they step into the void, they accidentally draw in a passing Rembrandt as well and the adventure begins again.

Interestingly, when Matt Hutaff and I were discussing REBORN, Matt preferred the 'older doubles discover sliding for the first time' angle to a post-"Seer" approach. But Matt had a brilliant idea to make it so that these older doubles actually *are* the 1995 characters and just don't know it. It was a very clever idea that I shall decline to share here, but it might come to something. Someday.

I was *extremely* tempted by the reboot option, especially with Matt's little twist. But I ultimately decided against it.

Part of this was because I did not want to write Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo meeting for the first time. That struck me as the wrong note for an anniversary special. It seemed more appropriate to write a Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo who'd known each other for 20 years. And there was also one other reason that I need to withhold for a little while longer. ;-)

TLDR: The REBORN project is not a realistic revival; think of it as the comic book. There are ways to 'reboot' with the original cast.

It's time to revive that old chestnut: how would you bring back SLIDERS at this point?

At least one or two boards ago, we talked about bringing SLIDERS into the twenty-first century and updating it with ongoing continuity and characterization and more complex backstories. I think I messed that thread up -- basically, I declared that we should write scripts based on the thread and we managed to complete one, but it drained the fun out of the thread. It turned a laid back discussion into Work. Since then, I have learned my lesson. So. No work here! Just chatter! You have unlimited budget. Unlimited casting! How would you bring back SLIDERS?

(I have always had a secret fondness for Pete1525's story idea where John Rhys-Davies revisits the characters and locations from "This Slide of Paradise" and confronts animal human hybrids.)

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That's good to hear! Hey, if you have contact with him, would you mind asking about the status of the LOST ROOM comic? It was announced. But then quietly faded into nothing with no release ever made.

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Transmodiar wrote:
ireactions wrote:

I mean, next you'll be writing SLIDERS novels to explain why FOX episodes took place in the wrong order.

Says the guy who earnestly asked me if it mattered that his fanfic started the day the pilot aired instead of the day Quinn slid as established in the pilot. wink

I actually did write a novel to explain why the FOX episodes took place in the wrong order. Well. Novella. Let's not go (too) crazy.

It's a very fan-oriented sort of thing. I never expect to see that sort of stuff in an actual TV show!

Transmodiar wrote:

Hey - spoilers!

Oh, it's fine. I didn't say what the explanation actually was or why it comes up. It's fine.

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There was once an entire DOCTOR WHO novel written around the fact that "Revenge of the Cybermen" mentioned 12 moons of Jupiter when there are (I think) 63. Possibly one of the most unnecessary efforts ever to explain a minor discrepancy. I mean, next you'll be writing SLIDERS novels to explain why FOX episodes took place in the wrong order.

And now, the recent episode of DOCTOR WHO has presented an in-universe explanation for why the Twelfth Doctor looks just like a previously-seen guest-star who was played by the same actor. I hand over my Award in Obsessive Geekery Towards Unnecessary Explanations to Steven Moffat and Russell T. Davies; clearly, I can't compete and the better men have won.

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Transmodiar wrote:

So now we know who to blame. wink

Yes. And also whoever wrote the tag scene of THE WOLVERINE.

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I just love all the crazy, lunatic ideas in BTTF2. Dehydrated pizza. Spinal treatments that involve tethering one's self to the ceiling and walk around. Flying cars. 3D shark movies with no glasses. Dust-repellent paper. Telecommunications systems with video chat and... fax machines. A paradox that may destroy all of existence or may merely be confined to our own galaxy. A dark timeline so horrific it's funny. And then the second half of the film where Marty time travels back into his own original movie and his past self ends up knocking him unconscious by accident.

There's also all the great, loving humour. Marty's 'inconspicuous' costume is a black hat and a leather jacket that makes him stand out in every scene. Doc Brown disguises himself as... himself. The hilarious hoverboard chase.

I find that most of my favourite movies and TV episodes are overstuffed with mad ideas never explored in great detail but used for striking and memorable visual effect and filled with incidental elements that make the landscape oddly plausible despite the plot's exaggerated absurdity and matched with comedic yet earnest characters whom you could lock in a closet together and still find interesting to watch.

I do think the first BTTF is a better film, but BTTF2 is the one I enjoy most.

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Technically, it's Matt's great job -- I just found modern-era candid photos of Jerry, Sabrina, Cleavant and John!

Nice to see you here again. You know, the first installment of SLIDERS REBORN is *your* idea.

You posted on the old-old Bboard that you wished "The Seer" had ended with Cleavant coming out of the vortex to find Quinn, Wade and Arturo waiting for him, achieved through body doubles and voice impersonators and previously filmed footage. Other posters said this would have been too random, too weird, too inexplicable -- but I was really taken with it.

I think they should have done it for Season 5. They didn't need to worry about explaining it in the next episode because there wasn't going to be one. I ended up writing your idea into a script to begin my SLIDERS series.

Without your post, I don't think SLIDERS REBORN would exist. :-)

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Had a pretty intense story conference earlier with one of the editors on SLIDERS REBORN. There is something very comforting about having your work reviewed by someone who is fundamentally against the story you want to tell and isn't won over by your ability to pastiche Jerry O'Connell's performance. An editor who is suspicious of your story's credibility, purpose and plot elements on every level is an editor who is asking tough questions about potentially glaring issues. Some flaws are acceptable. Like choosing real-world dates over in-universe dates. But some questions must have answers prepared, such as why this character does A and why this character wants B and why are they disagreeing?

It is so much better to engage with these questions when expanding a general outline into a beat sheet rather than to engage with them while writing scenes only to realize questions have been raised and you don't have answers, but you have 111 pages already written that make these questions you're not prepared to address glaring and obvious.

I urge all writers to have their material reviewed by someone predisposed to find fault with it. If you're writing detective novels, show them to someone who can't stand such things. If you're writing romance novels, give them to me for review! And if you're writing continuity-based intrigue based on science fiction plot devices standing in as metaphors for disagreements between fans, have someone who finds that sort of writing silly look over your stuff and challenge what you're doing.

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I love BACK TO THE FUTURE II. It's my favourite of the three. Which puts me in a distinct minority. :-)

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This is a post about Writing.

So -- in SLIDERS REBORN, the date given for Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo's first slide together is March 22, 1995. That's the day the Pilot aired and "Reprise" and "Reunion" were posted on Earth Prime exactly twenty years to the day of that first airing.

"Reprise" also uses the airdate of "The Seer," February 4, 2000, as the date of that episode's events. March 22 is reiterated in "Revelation" and "Reminiscence." The date is significant to the plot. "Revelation" is all about Quinn's darkest secret, the secret of 1995.

Except I just rewatched the Pilot and the date given in the episode clearly puts the day of the first slide as September 27, 1994.

Whoops.

Um. I've been willing to change my work, as indicated in the previous page of this thread. But this one -- perhaps it's stupid, but I have decided to leave it alone and allow SLIDERS REBORN to converge with the real world in this instance. In my vision of the show, we began our journey with the sliders on the same day they began theirs.

Oddly, there's actually an explanation within the "Reminiscence" interlude novella that accounts for why the date shifted. Anyone noticing the error and awaiting an explanation would receive an answer. One that is completely unintentional and yet unmistakably present.

What an error to make for someone who wants a SLIDERS revival project so much he made his own!

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Ah, Peter. Shame on you. Say, how exactly do you get the Messages in Time? I know you mentioned how in a podcast, but I can't remember which one.

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No point leaving copyrights you own sitting around if you can get some cash out of them! :-)

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"Slither" is terrible. One of the worst episodes of SLIDERS ever made. Tom and Cory highlighted a lot of the moronic points: Rembrandt's discarded shirt is later referred to as Quinn's shirt. The sliders foolishly take separate vacations with massive distances between them. Maggie and Wade would never agree to be alone together for extended periods.

The one point that didn't seem to offend Tom and Cory too much, however -- was Quinn declaring his intention to abandon the sliders, abandon the chase for Rickman and abandon his pursuit of the timer holding his home coordinates. All to be with Kyra. Tom and Cory found it to be one odd note among many odd notes for Season 3 Quinn.

I found it to be utterly devastating to the Quinn character. As Mike Truman noted in his review, Kyra is an obvious sociopath and manipulator. And for the first time in the series, Quinn has a real chance of making it home (or at least, he thinks he does).

Quinn Mallory has indeed changed since Season 2. He's become oddly caustic and callous, strangely flirtatious, unusually aggressive and much less intelligent. But even this altered version of Quinn has no logical or emotional reason to abandon an opportunity to make it home in favour of being with a woman who will obviously betray him at the first opportunity!

"Slither" is full of incoherent logic, poorly considered storytelling and nonsensical developments and this is before we even get to the super-intelligent snakes that can knock out electricity to buildings and down a plane. And it completely destroys Quinn Mallory's character. There is nothing admirable, understandable or workable with this character anymore. This is Quinn's worst depiction to date in the series.

(Season 4 will be even worse in this area.)

"Dinoslide." It's not bad! Cory and Tom raised issues with the military personnel being suspicious of Maggie and the sliders, saying this doesn't match "The Exodus." I actually thought it quite reasonable that some people didn't trust Maggie due to her association with Rickman even if Maggie was the one to expose Rickman as a murderer.

The episode is very well-filmed with stunning cinematography and location work. The action is compelling. I'm not in favour of SLIDERS stories that use force and violence, but as action hours go, Peckinpah's scripting is capable and filled with strong exchanges. There's a grim sense of humour in the T-Rex being used for food. Malcolm's gift to Rembrandt is touching. It's a fun action episode.

Where the story really falls apart is Rickman. He's not threatening. He's just ridiculous. As I said in my post on "The Exodus," there's really nothing human in this character. He's just a bunch of cartoonishly villainous traits. He's also a coward. He doesn't want to achieve anything other than eke out his days on stolen brain fluid; he doesn't care about the sliders beyond wanting to escape them. He isn't actually dangerous to the sliders outside of them pursuing him.

It's weird how Peckinpah is a decent writer whose script is impaired by the need to involve the Rickman character, yet Peckinpah's the reason Rickman's even in the show! Rickman's in the show because the producers wanted Roger Daltrey and his band to perform for the cast and crew and spend two weeks partying and filming an episode between binge drinking sessions.

Cory's right to say "Dinoslide" should have been the Season 3 finale. It's not a transcendental life experience, but it has the sliders revisiting the "Exodus" colony and it looks beautiful.

It's certainly better than the chaotic mess of "This Slide of Paradise." This is the worst hour of television ever made. Completely unwatchable. The guest-characters are just a mess of exaggerated 'animalistic' behaviours. Dr. Vargas is an unrelatable, inhuman lunatic. There is absolutely nothing onscreen that appeals or entertains.

The animal human hybrids are not remotely interesting or believable and they fill the screentime to the point where it's unbearable.

And then the ending. It's nice that Wade and Rembrandt are mercifully sent home and are freed from this trainwreck of a series. But the Quinn/Maggie romance is just nonsensical.

The two characters have no common ground, no mutual respect, no partnership -- the show has never bothered to explore any aspect of their friendship aside from a contrived sexual attraction. Jerry, despite his flirty performances, seems incapable of performing any actual interest in Kari Wuhrer.

Kari, despite her skill at conveying sensuality, seems unable to indicate that she's sexually interested in Jerry. Even after months of filming together, Jerry and Kari have the onscreen rapport of two strangers who vaguely recall walking past each other at a gas station.

And then Quinn says they slid into the future. Tom says he can hear the voices of a thousand SLIDERS fans screaming out in rage. Cory suggests the line may have been meant sardonically. Oh, Cory. You dear, delightful man.

And Tom. Oh, Tom. Tom performs "Tears in my Fro" for us. It is a wonderful performance. I really liked how Tom chose an upbeat, joyful, energetic approach to the song.

It actually reminded me of something Sliderscast noted in their "King is Back" podcast. Jim Ford observed that our Rembrandt sang "Tears in my Fro" as a melancholy love song while Rembrandt-2 sang the same song in a fast, high-energy fashion that showed why Rembrandt-2 was a star and our Rembrandt wasn't.

"The King is Back" feels so far away. With "This Slide of Paradise," we have a smart, satirical show having collapsed into doing bad monster movies. "The King is Back" is so flawed, so clumsy. A Rembrandt double who doesn't look like a Rembrandt double. Quinn and Wade rushing to rescue Rembrandt -- but making a stop at the concert venue first to check out some Rembrandt-impersonators.

But then there's the scene where Rembrandt and Rembrandt-2's performances are compared to each other. It's so insightful. So thoughtful. It shows such love and care for its characters.

Whereas "This Slide of Paradise" has the sliders blissfully unconcerned when Rembrandt runs off to fight with animal-human hybrids all by himself.

Season 3 is a terrible show. And Season 4 is actually worse in many ways The really sad thing is that SLIDERS was so close -- so very, very close -- to turning itself around. The Sci-Fi Channel renewal caught everyone by surprise.

Tracy Torme was prepared to return to the series. John Rhys-Davies was prepared to return to the series. Sabrina was contracted for Season 4, as were Jerry and Cleavant (and Kari).

But, as is frequent in the history of this series, Universal and the Sci-Fi Channel didn't understand what they'd bought. Sci-Fi's bizarre opinion was that SLIDERS worked best with three men and one woman -- and that it didn't matter which woman was retained.

Who could watch Season 1 and declare the show worked better because it was three men and one woman? Could it be, instead, that one of those men was a Shakespearean actor with an intensely commanding screen presence? And that the one woman was a capable actress who had chemistry with all her castmates? Kari Wuhrer, in Season 3, seems to be acting in a completely different production from the other actors.

Temporal Flux has noted that the regime that bought SLIDERS for Sci-Fi left the Channel shortly before the development process for Season 4. Others less enamoured of the series, less interested in it, took over that process.

The studio, Universal, didn't seem to be concerned with content, either. They wanted more episodes of SLIDERS, but were largely unconcerned with what would be in those episodes.

It's like the people and entities in charge of SLIDERS' future only viewed it in the context of a balance sheet. Episode numbers. Syndication potential. Deficit-financing. Return on investment. Contracts. Show business with no concern for the show, only the business, and they didn't even handle the business that well.

The Season 3 budget was badly mismananged, which is why so many back-9 episodes look cheap and ugly. A man had died during production due to negligence. And yet, David Peckinpah, the ringleader of this decaying circus, was retained. He should have been fired.

Even if you set aside his hostility towards Rhys-Davies and Lloyd and the quality of his work, he presided over a severe misallocation of funds and he wasted Universal's money. And he certainly had nothing to do with getting SLIDERS renewed for a fourth season; it happened in spite of him.

Tracy Torme made a bid to regain control of his series for Season 4. Tom says that Tracy hoped to bring John back as an alternate Arturo. This is inaccurate.

Tracy's Season 4 premiere would have been "Slide Effects." Quinn wakes up to discover it's 1995. Arturo is alive. Rembrandt and Wade have no memory of sliding. The scenario is revealed to be a Kromagg mental simulation along with all the episodes Torme didn't like or watch. The sliders escape and slide off to new adventures. Kari would have been released from her contract; she would never have appeared on SLIDERS again.

But David Peckinpah had signed a multi-year contract with Universal. If Torme returned to the show, Peckinpah would be dismissed -- but Universal would have still been obligated to pay Peckinpah.

Universal decided to go with Peckinpah for Season 4 rather than pay both him and Torme. SLIDERS had escaped the FOX Network, but they had inflicted a lazy, indifferent and unprofessional manager onto the series and that manager never left.

There is a terrible irony to the fact that fan support is technically what kept making SLIDERS worse -- that the continued renewals meant more and more episodes in which Peckinpah and his hires could find new and terrible ways to mutilate the series into a twisted parody of what it once was. The fans saved the show in the sense that they prolonged its diseased and withered state.

The sad truth is that sometimes, things don't get better. Sometimes, we find ourselves in the deepest of holes with no means of escape and then someone will hand us a shovel.

SLIDERS could have changed everything. It could have galvanized our society into realizing the value and importance of choice. How a single choice can change everything and impact everyone. How even the refusal to make a choice is in itself a choice. How every possibility we face is critical and crucial, how our awareness of how our present choices affect our future situations. It could have united us as a planet and a people in confronting all our challenges with knowledge, imagination, curiosity and teamwork. SLIDERS could have saved us all.

David Peckinpah destroyed sliding. He destroyed the future. There is no hope. There is no tomorrow.

Behind the scenes information courtesy of Temporal Flux.

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Heyyyy! http://www.earthprime.com/reborn I finally managed to get all the sliders' faces on the SLIDERS REBORN page and at their current 2015 ages! :-D

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So, I'm continuing to flesh out the general outline for the fifth and final installment of SLIDERS REBORN and -- I don't know if this is the right approach, but I'm trying to do all the tiring things first. Rather than try to come up with alt-history details and location descriptions when writing the script, I'm gathering all that information now for each individual scene.

Rather than struggle to work out a fight scene when trying to get to the end of the narrative, I'm working out the details now. That way, when writing the script, I can simply focus on the fun stuff (dialogue and pacing). I made the mistake of shrugging off plotholes and errors in the outline thinking I'd just fix them at the scripting stage and when I hit a problem I couldn't solve at the scripting stage, I was in too deep to have any perspective.

I don't know if this approach will be more successful than what I was doing before, but what I was doing before turned out to be rather painful in the end. Writing "Revelation" almost killed me.

Hopefully, this will be an improvement.

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I also just remembered that "Reprise" was 'inspired' by THE WOLVERINE -- specifically the tag scene in which Wolverine is shocked to find himself facing his dead mentor, the wise Professor, who was last seen vapourized in the third X-MEN movie. Wolverine stares at the miraculously restored and resurrected Professor, looking like he's ready to cry. "How is this possible?" he asks.

"As I told you a long time ago," says the Professor, "you're not the only one with gifts." The scene cuts off before any further explanation is provided.

I would insert a thank-you to the writer in the "Reprise" script, but I actually don't know who wrote the tag scene.

Boy. Been awhile since our last Sliderscast, hasn't it?

I really miss the boys. I listened to the April Fool's podcast where they pretended it'd been a STARGATE podcast the whole time and I laughed uncontrollably at Dan's over-the-top performance as a STARGATE obsessive. I listened to the podcast where Dan, Jim and Ian somehow went from talking about "In Dino Veritas" to agonizing over "Paradise Lost."

I know everyone's gone nuts over Sliders Rewatch, but there's a delightful friendliness and informality to the Sliderscast that I really miss. Come back soon, guys? I also need you to plug SLIDERS REBORN some more.

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Hunnh. I was typing up my thoughts on the fifth episode -- but my thoughts are pretty much the same as the ones I had on the fourth episode, only with different scenes to give as examples of Kring's flawed writing.

.... so, nothing to add here. *sigh* It's really sad to see.

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Is it actually in HD? Or is it just a standard definition image that's being played at 720p/1080p?

I have a few blu-rays where it's just a 480p image that's been stretched to a 1080p resolution with a bit of sharpening and recolouring. The image quality is acceptable, but it's like an upscaled DVD. I watch SLIDERS on my HDTV with Cyberlink PowerDVD's HD upscaling.

The software 'smart-stretches' the 4:3 image into 16:9 by stretching the sides of the picture and zooming in slightly so the image doesn't look distorted. The software also ups the pixel contrast slightly so that edges are more jagged and there's more grain on textures. It creates the illusion of slightly more detail by 'roughening' the picture. And the image has a slightly lower-contrast, not distractingly so, but enough to diminish the flaws in the sharpening. It's not actually HD, though. It's just that playing the DVD without the enhancements would offer a slightly blurrier, pillarboxed image while the enhancements make the video letterboxed and moves it from somewhat inadequate to mostly adequate.

Watching an upscaled SLIDERS on a laptop is a pretty ugly experience, but it looks good if watching it in a living room where you're sitting back from the screen.

Also, it looks good in motion, but the screencaps look ugly. All the jagged edges from the sharpening are just ugly.

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chaser9 wrote:

I didn't even make the 'connection' until you mentioned it, guess I was too busy enjoying the story. Great work.

Thanks, Chaser9!

Informant wrote:

I haven't read the story yet (I will. I'm just way behind) but if you're not copying the plot or scenes of the Doctor Who episode, I don't think there will be a problem. If you were selling the story, people might comment on the similarities, but a lot of stories are inspired by other stories. I guess it is more about how you make the story your own. What happened to me was someone taking my thoughts and my words and claiming them as their own.

But as long as people are doing something uniquely their own with the stories, it doesn't really matter.

Hmm. Well, there are no scenes in SLIDERS REBORN: "Revelation" that resemble DOCTOR WHO's "The Power of Three." With a direct comparison:

Both "Po3" and "Revelation" feature a small, innocuous object scattered across Earth in a quantity of billions. In both stories, the objects are of unknown origin and subjected to intense scrutiny and interest and are part of a plot to destroy the world.

In "Po3," the cubes are inscrutable and implacable. The characters can't take them apart or learn anything about them. The cubes don't actually *do* anything until the third act when they start electrocuting people to death.

In "Revelation," the sliders dismantle the clocks and learn about the internals. The clocks also have sociological impact across the Earth because the countdown to an unknown outcome is disturbing and the clocks are powered by a peculiar power source that can be repurposed for other uses.

In "Po3," the characters investigate the cubes but learn nothing about them and the story is resolved without using any information drawn from examining the cubes.

In "Revelation," the sliders examine the clocks, take them apart, and later apply the knowledge they gathered from the earlier scenes. The explanation for the clocks is tied into sliding.

I dunno. I feel like the main differences are how "Revelation" is 'better' than "Po3" at least in how its mystery-box-item is handled. And "Po3"'s main problem is that it was radically restructured at the editing stage in a way that likely obscured and confused the story, resulting in questions raised and going unanswered (what did the alien have against humans and why was it necessary for the cubes to lie around for a whole year before they started murdering people?). So "Revelation" is not flawed in the areas where "Po3" was flawed. It has its own flaws!

The main conception for the doomsday clocks in "Revelation" was the realization that if the sliders were going to explore three parallel Earths in a single story, all three Earths needed some common element to link them. And I always thought "Po3" was a really great idea that didn't work out too well as aired and decided, "I need a common element, I'll use something like the 'Power of Three' cubes but make sure that my explanation for my McGuffin is directly tied into the sliding concept."

Okay. I've decided to add a note at the end of the "Revelation" script:

The author wishes to thank Chris Chibnall for inspiring the doomsday clocks with his Doctor Who episode, “The Power of Three,” in which billions of cubes were scattered across the planet Earth by an alien antagonist seeking to exterminate the human race by using his cubes as electroshock murder machines.

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I have another question for Informant.

Where do you stand on writers copying other writers' ideas? I ask because you were the victim of plagiarism.

"Revelation" doesn't copy dialogue or scenes. But the main plot is that billions of clocks have been randomly dropped across three parallel Earths. No one knows who they came from or why they've been distributed in this way. All the clocks are counting down in perfect sync. And when large scale disasters or wars or epidemics have taken place, the clocks have briefly sped up in their countdown. The populace thinks the clocks count down to the end of the world.

This is clearly 'inspired' by the DOCTOR WHO episode "The Power of Three." That said, "The Power of Three" flamed out spectacularly by completely failing to answer the question of why mysterious cubes had been distributed all over Earth or why an alien seeking to exterminate humanity let his murder machines sit around doing nothing for a year or what his grudge was with humans. I think I gave it my own spin by using countdown clocks and having people react to living under a countdown.

But how does Informant feel about it? Not the story itself -- I'm sure you haven't read it -- but what do you think about drawing on other people's ideas like this?

I felt it was okay since SLIDERS REBORN is free, but I have concerns about the artistic merits of this approach.

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I'm actually open to making more revisions to "Revelation." I felt I couldn't wait for Nigel Mitchell to give me feedback.  But one thing I find "Revelation" lacked was Tracy Torme's satirical humour. I'm not very good at that; my humour is more about characters snarking and referring to crazy events in the past like the time Wade made out with a robot who happened to have the same name as the last guy she dated.

So, if Nigel wants to give me some alt-Earth jokes to put in, I will probably do that and reupload the file. For future generations. :-)

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Sorry if I sounded hostile.

The first draft of "Reminiscence" was not Quinn telling his story to a psychiatrist to explain how Seasons 3 - 5 were resolved. The first draft was Quinn cornering Amanda Mallory in a coffee shop. She wouldn't remember who he was. He would sit her down and tell her the entire story of SLIDERS from his particular perspective.

Matt Hutaff read the draft and pointed out that it was an awkward piece of work indeed. He said it was ridiculous to declare that Amanda would sit with a stranger for an hour listening to a deranged recollection of lunacy. That made no sense whatsoever.

He also said he thought it was silly to try to offer in-universe explanations for why Season 1 episodes aired out of order, why Season 2's additional sliders vanished, why Season 3 had magic, why Season 4 was miserable and why Season 5 didn't have any Quinn-doubles and was constantly reusing the same sets. He thought the methodology for restoring the original sliders was nonsensical and incomprehensible and raised all sorts of questions about the process.

I rewrote the story so that Quinn was now talking to a psychiatrist so there'd be a reason for someone to sit through this story. The information Quinn conveyed, I kept largely the same, but I had the psychiatrist ask *all* the questions Matt raised and had Quinn answer them.

I think this is the way to handle feedback on fiction; if you're clear on the story you want to tell, then use feedback to consider *how* you tell it.

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Well, he or she wanted me to A) bring back Colin Mallory and B) write a resolution to the Season 4 Quinn from Kromagg Prime/Colin spy-plot storyline. I wasn't going do that. Dear God.

However, he also got confused by an idea I didn't communicate as fully and clearly as I should have. And I think communicating information clearly and effectively is something any reader should expect for their investment of time. I wouldn't change *content*, but I might improve the delivery if possible. :-)

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Over in the REBORN thread, a reader commented that he was confused by a specific aspect of the "Reminiscence" interlude novella. I reviewed his complaint, added two paragraphs to the novella, and the issue was resolved. So there's also this opportunity to respond to reader feedback and fix things to aid the reader experience.

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If you're not happy that Logan, Mallory and Colin don't/can't exist in this current state of continuity, or that there are no pre-1995 divergences in alt-history -- well, that's only what the current situation is as of "Revelation" and "Reminiscence." And it's only been the situation between 2001 - 2015.

There is one more chapter, and "Regenesis" will not leave things as they are. By the time I'm done, if someone wanted to do SLIDERS REBORN Part 6, they could. And if they wanted to tell a story about Mallory or Colin or Logan, they can do that too. SLIDERS REBORN is SLIDERS' series finale, but it's not a finale that prevents future stories. It is simply a point of... something for the original sliders. I will decline to reveal what it is for now.

I myself have no intention of doing this, but my successor (assuming for the moment that there is one) will be free to do so.

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I have quietly added something to the Odds and Ends section of Earth Prime: the "Slide Effects" screenplay in which Quinn wakes up to discover that it's 1995, time has been rewound to the Pilot, all his friends are alive and well, and only Quinn has any memory of sliding.

I have to say, I really like how things are going on Earth Prime as of late -- in that while I loved Matt's "Seer" review and Ian's blog, we were getting rather downbeat and depressing and I feel like our recent additions have been much more life-affirming and optimistic. :-)

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Okay. I added a few passages to "Reminiscence" and reuploaded:

I told the Professor and Wade about the altered memories I'd witnessed. The monsters and the supernatural creatures and the insanity and madness.

The Professor told me that these were symptoms of a broken reality, the effect of Geiger's experiment reaching into the past as well as the present. He said that so many of my doubles had been sliders who'd been entangled in the realities of infinite worlds -- and ripping them out of existence was the equivalent of pulling load bearing walls out of a building. And he said that the Kromagg machine would only make it worse.

The Professor said we couldn't stop the machine. This reality warping engine -- it was spread out across 17 parallel Earths, all linked in function, gradually burning up individual universes as fuel to widen its influence. The Professor said the best we could do was repurpose it -- reprogram it to build instead of destroy.

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Hi again. My reasoning was this:

We had the original version of SLIDERS -- call it the Tracy Torme version -- for four years. Then in Season 5, we had the events of "The Unstuck Man" where Quinn and all his doubles were ripped out of reality. This wasn't just a case of Quinn's doubles going missing; they retroactively never existed.

Quinn remained in existence as scar tissue on a damaged multiverse, but removing his doubles cracked reality and broke the concepts of cause and effect. Quinn and his doubles were sliders, many entrenched and entangled in the history of infinite numbers of Earths; ripping them out would be like tearing out load bearing pillars in a building.

This retroactively affected past events. This manifested in small ways at first -- episodes happening in the wrong order, additional sliders vanishing and being forgotten -- but the effects became more pronounced closer to the ground zero point: magic and the supernatural in Season 3, the nonsensical Kromagg Prime backstory of Season 4 -- and then we had the present of Season 5 in which reality was now dying, the symptoms shown via parallel Earths shrinking and collapsing (hence all the episodes set in the Chandler hotel and on the Backlot). And there were no more Quinn-doubles, hence Quinn's peculiar absence from Season 5.

So, the version of SLIDERS that we saw on TV is actually a Geiger-corrupted version of the *real* SLIDERS.

In Season 5, we have a paradox: how can be there no Quinn-doubles? The only explanation is that not only were all of Quinn's doubles deleted, they were retroactively erased from history. But if he doesn't exist, who created sliding? In most time travel movies, paradoxes are resolved before consequences arise; this is what happens if they're not resolved. You get the craziness of Seasons 3 - 5; things stop making sense and it ripples into the past as well.

I will confess that the logic of this doesn't make clear, linear sense, but I feel this can be excused if the story declares that reason, rationality, cause and effect are broken concepts after the Geiger experiment with the effects affecting both past and present.

It is, essentially, a metaphor for the FOX Network's interference. :-)

But if it's confusing, a re-draft may be in order.

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I am pleased and delighted that you enjoyed "Revelation" and "Reminiscence."

The doomsday clocks were indeed inspired by the cubes in "The Power of Three," but I like to think I made it my own by highlighting the countdown and comparing the countdown of the clocks with the countdown of the timer in the 1995 series. And I think my idea for what the clocks do was a *little* more inspired than making then electroshock murder machines. :-)

Strangely, the method for rebooting the multiverse actually came from a conversation with Robert Floyd -- I was interviewing him and he was talking about the technobabble he had to memorize and how he was really fascinated by the concept of a "recombinant universe" and I decided to incorporate that as a small tribute to a wonderful man who did so much for SLIDERS and Quinn Mallory.

The actual lift from DOCTOR WHO in "Revelation," I think -- is actually from "Day of the Doctor." The Doctor saves Gallifrey by putting it in another dimension safe from the Time War, just as Quinn and friends save reality by shifting the doomsday clocks into a pocket dimension that Quinn-2 can't reach.

As for "Reminiscence"'s idea for restoring the original, pre-Geiger timeline by using Rembrandt as a template -- strangely, that was Matt Hutaff's idea. And it also wasn't. I sent him the first draft of "Reminiscence" and he remarked that I gave no clear explanation for WHY the reunited Quinn, Wade and Arturo were searching for Rembrandt because I couldn't think of one other than friendship. "They need to find Rembrandt for Reasons," he remarked, followed by, "No, I think I get it -- they need Rembrandt because he was the only one of them to live out both timelines, right?" I cheerfully put Matt's interpretation into the story and moved on.

As for Colin. Well.

I'm not averse to building the latter seasons into my vision of SLIDERS. SLIDERS REBORN is an effort to treat SLIDERS as myth and legend, first by presenting the original quartet as iconic figures. I tried to do that with "Reunion" acting like Quinn being 'lost' and Wade and Arturo dying were no big deal, that SLIDERS would have inevitably brought them back if it continued, and that the original quartet are the definitive core of the SLIDERS mythology.

Next, I sought to incorporate many variations of the SLIDERS legend into REBORN, seeking to produce an unstoppable super-myth that validates and embraces nearly every aspect of the series. I'd say the 'display room' scene and using Maggie as a character represent that, and "Regenesis" will further declare that just about every version of SLIDERS belongs in SLIDERS REBORN. Diana will be there. Maggie will be there. The rock-star vampires and the radioactive worm and the pancake parasites and the Dream Masters and the intelligent flame and the fat-craving zombies and the dragon will be there.

But there were some variations I failed to incorporate. The one that disappointed me most -- I could find no way to incorporate Mallory into the story. The problem is that, despite Robert Floyd being terrific, the presence of Quinn Mallory played by Jerry O'Connell renders Mallory irrelevant and Mallory's existence is also confusing. He's a double who isn't a double? Also, with the story having erased Quinn from the multiverse and the absence of Mallory doubles in Season 5, there seemed to be no logical way for Mallory to appear.

I attempted to bring him into the "Reminiscence" novella, but my beta-reader found it *entirely* too confusing and I had to remove him. I felt bad about it. Which is why I was so pleased to pay tribute to Robert Floyd in the Earth Prime interview and wanted Mallory's *memories* to at least play a role.

The other variation I failed to incorporate is Colin Mallory. The character does not sit well with my interpretation of Quinn. In my view, Quinn is isolated. Awkward. Alone. Traumatized by the loss of his father. Loved but never truly understood by his mother. He skipped two grades and was smaller than his classmates, physically intimidated, always on his own. The brother character screws up all the family and interpersonal dynamics I consider central to Quinn Mallory. And to bring him in was to once again bring in more confusion.

So, with Mallory and Colin, I found it best to simply label them as part of the Geiger-corrupted timeline created when Quinn was ripped out of reality along with all his doubles. There is a single mention of Colin in "Reunion" -- Quinn says that the Kromaggs took away his identity and made him think he had a brother. Which vaguely implies that the Kromagg-clone plot may have briefly come up during the events covered in "Reminiscence" but quietly sets aside the Quinn-from-Kromagg-Prime backstory.

I don't see myself revisiting Season 4 in terms of clarifying its narrative. The Kromagg Dynasty was erased from the multiverse. That's the end of them. It may be dismissive, but I think Kromaggs have had enough influence on the SLIDERS legend. Still, I have done my best to pay tribute to every season. Season 4's cryo-tube from "The Chasm" and the Sonmoha virtual reality technology from "Virtual Slide" are featured, and the aluminium-missing periodic table from Season 5's "Heavy Metal" along with the clown painting in "Map of the Mind" also appear.

Anyway. Thanks so much. :-)

Well, there's always the archived version?

https://web.archive.org/web/20080429204 … t/blinker/

I kind of wish I could hang out with Blinker. I think we live in the same town.

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*closes eyes*

I can't seem to stop editing the "Revelation" script and uploading new versions. I keep spotting typos. Just now, I noticed that I forgot to introduce a character's first name -- only gave his last -- so when the sliders later address this character by his first name, it's completely baffling. I don't know how I would ever be able to release a printed book.

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I would say my biggest mistake with REBORN was not talking about the plot issues I was having, instead trying to find some technobabble to resolve the issue and only digging myself into a deeper and deeper hole until Matt took away my shovel and threw me a rope ladder.

I would say the most ridiculous and stupid part of REBORN is, well -- the graphics. I mean, creating images of four actors standing next to each other would just be a half-day photoshoot for a real TV production. For SLIDERS, we have to cheat with putting Jerry's 2015 face on his 1995 costume and compositing photos of Jerry, John, Sabrina and Cleavant next to each other. And I did a pretty decent job at first with 100x100 pixel images, but then Matt upped the 'featured image' resolution to 800x300 pixels for the Earth Prime redesign. I actually found some pretty recent photos of Jerry, Cleavant, John and Sabrina, but so far, my efforts to put them in the same image together have been pretty hideous. I'm hoping to get it right for the final chapter.

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Behind the scenes information courtesy of Temporal Flux.

John Rhys-Davies, at a convention, told a story about his last days on the SLIDERS set. Despite being fired, he had wanted to leave SLIDERS. He performed his death scene, and as he was leaving the set, he passed by the producers. They were huddled around a TV watching a movie. They were watching the movie SPECIES.

Tom and Cory hilariously highlighted the terrible inattention to sound design in this entire episode. And Cory notes the truly bizarre choices with the Maggie character. If they wanted a sultry, flirtatious, promiscuous character, why did they write her as a solder/fighter pilot/spy/intelligence officer? Maggie as sexuality-defined object completely undermines the military aspect of the character.

And then there's the ending. Quinn and friends condemn an entire Earth to its doom due to a parasite they brought to this world and failed to contain. SLIDERS is completely incapable of addressing this on any level. And once again -- there is very little artistic challenge in having the characters fail and lose. There is very little advantage in having a surgically augmented Barbie doll prance around on the screen.

Which brings us to "Stoker." There's just no thought behind this episode. Tom and Cory ask lots of questions: even if they accept this week's villains as immortal vampires -- what allows vampires to telekinetically control cars and their inner workings? Or fire electricity through guitars? And then -- if DRACULA was never written on this Earth, why are all the characters named after Bram Stoker's various creations?

It's really sad. Because the truth is that SLIDERS could do a vampire story. I mean, it could be so interesting. Quinn and Arturo trying to understand the rules behind how these vampires work, how their powers function, and how they could be challenged. Wade and Rembrandt exploring the psychology and artistry of the creatures. But none of that is here -- the vampires are played as invincible with whatever powers are wanted on a whim -- but then Quinn beats their experienced and powerful leader with a stick! You can hear Tom and Cory on the verge of falling into hysterical laughter, losing any ability to take SLIDERS seriously.

*sigh*

By the way, the rock-star vampires from "Stoker" will make an appearance in SLIDERS REBORN. :-)

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"Sole Survivors." I thought it was funny how Tom and Cory started noting when the show would bother to provide names for its guest-stars and laughed uncontrollably when Cory said he couldn't even make out Erica's name in the dialogue.

Oddly, for a late Season 3 episode  -- I don't hate "Sole Survivors." The original script, which can be found on Earth Prime, was better. The rewrite is a fairly functional, capable, competent hour of TV and Tom and Cory seemed mostly okay with it.

It's a zombie story; it's SLIDERS doing monster movies -- and as I've said before, any story is conceivably a SLIDERS story. And as zombie stories go, "Sole Survivors" has some strong character moments and a good sense of action and pacing. I can even bring myself to accept zombies in the SLIDERS mythology since there's an effort at a rational explanation.

There's some seriously impressive work at depicting Quinn's brainpower in this episode. It's been sorely lacking as of late, but I was really impressed with how this episode showcased his mental agility while fighting the infection. He gathers the equipment and ingredients to cure himself, he gets Debra's generator back online, he saves the day.

But, as Tom and Cory note, there are lots of flaws, too. Quinn pranking his friends with pretending to electrocuted  -- I'd say it's out of character, but the truth is that I barely recognize this flirtatious, smug, skirt-chasing action hero as the Season 1/2 character. It's strange how this bizarre note, however, is in a fairly strong episode for Quinn.

The guest-characters are pretty incapable and hopeless. Dr. Tassler and Debra seem to go out of their way to be threatened by the zombies. The zombies inexplicably start capturing people at the end. But these aren't aggressively annoying.

I just really, really, really hate this episode. Or rather, I hate this body of episodes. "Paradise Lost," "The Last of Eden," "The Exodus" and now "Sole Survivors" have turned SLIDERS into one of the most depressing shows of the 1990s. And it was airing alongside THE X-FILES. Sliding is no longer a fun adventure that the viewers would want to join. Sliding is, instead, an endless journey through despair and hopelessness and death and zombies represent that wholly and totally.

I think if you had one or two episodes like "Sole Survivors" -- horror and misery and agony and terror -- that'd be fine. But when it's *every* single episode *every* single week  -- well, there's a reason for that.

"The Other Slide of Darkness" is another grim march through misery and depression. This is now the sixth episode in a row that is utterly miserable on every level with unhappy, troubled, angry, abrasive characters.

Rickman is truly bizarre. Tom and Cory note how the explanation for his altered appearance doesn't match "The Exodus" and also note error upon error upon error in the story. Very simply: Quinn-2's character is completely incoherent. He recognizes Quinn on sight as the same Quinn he met in the Pilot. How?

He claims to have given the Kromaggs sliding. But the Kromaggs had been sliding for decades if not centuries, given that adult Mary was raised by Kromaggs as an infant to be their Speaker. How could the Kromaggs have raised Mary from infancy to adulthood in the two years between the Pilot and Invasion?

And once Quinn-2's motivations fail to withstand scrutiny, his helping Rickman and wanting Quinn to kill him becomes impossible to analyze or understand.

Tom and Cory also note how absurd it is that Quinn-2's followers are intimidated by a floating head and how the ending is unintelligible and cuts off practically in mid-scene. "The Other Slide of Darkness" bears all the marks of Season 3's unprofessionalism: unreviewed scripts, unconsidered story elements, and absolutely no concern for viewer enjoyment. Aiming for depth through diving into darkness.

But here's the thing: misery and despair are easy. Depression and anger require absolutely no artistry, no craft, no skill, no talent. What did SLIDERS have at the start? A sense of wonder. Delight. Joy. Look at the impish glint in Quinn's eyes at the end of the Pilot when he asks his friends where they'll slide to next. What does it have now? A disengaged cast, writers who are grimly waiting out their contracts, an executive producer who is incapable of doing his job and the original creators have fled the set.

Many posters have talked about how Sabrina Lloyd does such a great job of showing Wade's trauma and grief and degenerating mental state  -- and sure, it's an impressive performance, but artistically, is that really an achievement? Anger and fear are easy. Wonder and joy are hard and impossible to achieve by a regime that's pretty much given up.