intangirble wrote:

So... many people on the Internet over the past 20 years have been asking, "What happened to Wade?" As in, it's a common enough query that you can get Google to autocomplete for it

I'm alive.

... I never believed you were dead. In terms of basic quantum mechanics -- if you accept that the multiverse generates new realities through constantly splitting at each point with multiple outcomes of possibility, then all sliders generate multiple versions of themselves across every parallel Earth they visit. An exploration of this concept can be found in the documents and evidence gathered by Mike Truman here: http://slidersweb.net/otherworlds/317/

In terms of raw emotion, I also never believed you were dead because I just couldn't.

You have escaped prisons, holding cells, offices, strongholds, caves and outmaneuvered petty thugs, fascist dictators, corrupt businessmen, murderous doubles and killer robots -- so the idea of the Kromaggs being able to hold Wade Welles captive for long really didn't ring true.

My suspicion has always been that the sliders who survive are ones with an innate sense of risk calculation and spatial awareness, able to capitalize on the smallest of opportunities for the largest of gains. It's what kept you all alive.

In the darkest, coldest depths of my mind, I imagined Wade Welles bound and immobilized, surrounded on all sides by implacable foes and unstoppable forces. Her captors certain she was in their power. But in every imagining, the enemy would look away for the briefest of moments. The merest flicker of the eye -- and in that moment, Wade would be free and there would be nothing and no one who could possibly stop her.

And on some level, that's true for everyone here. Everyone believed that if they sifted through all the evidence, all the accounts, all the records of the sliders' adventures, repeatedly, constantly and endlessly and if the influx of new information never, ever stopped, we would eventually find something to tell us what we all knew to be true -- that you were still out there.

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tom2point0 wrote:

On a side note, how do you like our "Quick Impressions?" Just a bit of goofy fun!

The impressions are indeed hilarious -- they're so random and bizarre -- taking the scripts and reading them in the voices of Sean Connery and Christopher Walken. I don't understand why you would do this -- I just know that it's absurd and memorable.

Wow.

It feels like yesterday that I logged into the Sci-Fi Channel chat room and people were bemoaning the cancellation of the show.

I honestly don't know how creating a semi-HD version of SLIDERS on blu-ray could be in any way challenging, costly, difficult or time consuming, and I especially don't understand how the Pilot could be a challenge for anybody with even a cursory knowledge of free video software. The Season 1 - 2 DVD was released with a ghastly transfer. An extremely low bit rate for every episode -- except the Pilot, the only episode on the Season 1 - 2 box set not covered in hideous scanlines from deinterlacing errors. There are plenty of open-source tools available to upscale it to near HD. First, a good transfer from the master tapes is needed. This was done for the Pilot; it should be done for every episode and blu-ray could handle the large file sizes with ease.

Second, the episodes need to be converted from 4:3 to 16:9. This is again, very easily done. Smart-stretch algorithms from any open-source codec pack can be set to stretch the sides of the video while zooming in on the center. This expands the video to letterbox with distortion so minimal it's unnoticeable. The result is a detailed standard definition image playing on an HDTV, so there'd be a lack of detail and fuzziness.

To compensate, a low level of grain should be added to the footage in order to give the illusion of detail and texture where none exist. The final step should be a slight adjusting of the brightness-contrast ratio. The image needs to be subtly contrast-reduced and brightened; this will obscure the lack of sharpness and detail. The result will be a suitable video image for HDTVs when watched at a reasonable distance from the screen. It won't look good projected to a cineplex theatre; it'll be good enough for home. This isn't difficult; I already do this with every episode of SLIDERS just from playing it off the DVD via my HTPC.

That said, if Universal can't even get the episode order right on the DVDs, they're not going to do any of the above.

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Well, they explained how Claire died. Aside from that...

Ugh, this show. I thought it was supposed to be about superheroes. I thought it was supposed to be fun. Instead, it's so laboured, slow, self-important and the sweet, earnest, good-hearted Matt Parkman is a villain? What the hell is that?

This is one of those areas where it's such a drastic 180 from before that some detailed explanation for how and why Matt's turned from good to evil is absolutely required. The vagaries of Tim Kring's characterization are not acceptable in most circumstances; with Matt, it is absolutely impossible to believe his cruelty or willingness to use his powers to murder when the only motivation offered is *money* and a seat of on the lifeboat he doesn't even believe in.

Disgusted.

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Kickstarter for a PITCH!? What the hell?

That said, I adore ANASTASIA and TITAN AE... but a pitch!? Why do they need half a million dollars for a pitch!? That seems incredibly high for the possibility of a movie.

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Tom and Cory, in the recent podcast, said that the SLIDERS comics aren't canon. The canonicity of the SLIDERS comics was an amusing debate in a Sliderscast:

Mr. Stargate: "The comics are not canon!"
The Savior: "They are canon."
Mr. Stargate: "How the fuck can they be canon?"
The Savior: "Tracy Torme said they're canon."
Mr. Stargate: "God damn it! Fuck! Fine! Whatever!"

That said, the comics became irreconcilable with the TV show; "Darkest Hour" has the sliders make it home and leave again and "Deadly Secrets" offers an account of Wade's parents contrary to "Season's Greedings" -- so I think the comics have to feature doubles of the sliders -- which means they are technically canon within the SLIDERS multiverse if not canon for the specific versions of the sliders we saw on television.

"But ireactions! If that's your opinion, why does one of your SLIDERS REBORN scripts have Rembrandt talking about how he once had to fight two-dimensional beings in ARMADA?!!"

..........

Whoops.

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My consultant's name is Nigel Mitchell. You can find his SLIDERS fanfic here:
http://web.archive.org/web/200810101623 … chell.html

His website is here:
http://nigelgmitchell.blogspot.ca/

He's like the Douglas Adams of SLIDERS fanfic. The other writer I really like, Mike Truman, is the Steve Brown of SLIDERS fanfic. (Steve Brown wrote "In Dinos Veritas" and "As Time Goes By," and Mike does the same blend of high concept feeding intense characterization.) I've always thought of Temporal Flux as the Tracy Torme of SLIDERS fan fiction -- he hasn't written much, but his influence is everywhere. I used to suspect that Torme and TF were the same person.

(They're not.)

I didn't really like HELLO LONESOME -- the story was good, but the cinematography was baffling. Important details and props were out of frame, the placement and blocking of actors did not reflect the underlying emotions of the scene, etc.. DOPAMINE was a solid work, but the artificial intelligence plot was very awkwardly represented in the form of a clumsy 3D model. It was a few rewrites away from excellence. UNIVERSAL SIGNS is also very strong, but the soundtrack was very intrusive.

I don't know this for certain, but I get the sense that Sabrina Lloyd is like Robert Floyd -- acting is important to her, but other things have taken priority. Floyd will act for friends now and then if asked; I got the sense that Sabrina was personally acquainted with these filmmakers and would come out of retirement briefly for them before returning to her studies at Columbia and focusing on her daughter.

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In terms of a follow-up on "The Seer" -- I think the only realistic option is distance. In the Pilot Redux arc, 2015-Quinn would find the video journals from 1994 with some additional videos from 2001-Quinn. 2001-Quinn could, in very general terms, indicate what happened after "The Seer."

"Sorry for the long hiatus between diaries -- the last few years have been like an out-of-body experience. Quite literally, in one case. I'm sorry to skip to the end of the story, but here's what's going on -- we're looking at an interdimensional war on all fronts and it's going to destroy all of reality. The Kromaggs, the Zercurvians, the Reticulans, Prototronics, Geiger Applied Research, the Slide Rulers -- it's war and all my friends are dead.

"I have only one option left. I can kill sliding. I have access to a set of cross-dimensional machines. I can rewrite universal constants and remap them so that sliding can retroactively cease to exist in any dimension anywhere. We'll all live the lives we'd have lived if sliding never came to be.

"But I have a feeling this would only be a temporary delay of a decade or two. I know me -- and I know you. Even amnesia, discouragement and a vastly different set of dimensional barriers wouldn't stop me forever. So I'm leaving this message for me -- for you.

"These video journals are an account of everything I did before I removed sliding from the equation. If you're watching this -- I hope you've had a good life up to this point -- that you've been happy. Fulfilled. Maybe you're married to Wade and the Professor's the godfather to your kids and Rembrandt's their music teacher. Maybe you built that flying car after all! I just hope the years have given you some of the wisdom and perspective I lacked before stepping through that gateway.

"Good luck. This message will self-destruct in 10 seconds.

"Kidding."

**

If you wanted a direct follow-up -- what happens next -- I think this would be your only real option given how the actors have aged:

http://www.earthprime.com/content/rebor … eprise.pdf

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So, Matt protested an aspect of the Wade-roleplaying thread and Wade replied with an image showing her expression. I was rather impressed because intangirble pulled that screencap from UNIVERSAL SIGNS (2004), a near-dialogue-free film about a deaf man starring Sabrina Lloyd.

Another good source of screencaps for Sabrina-expressions is a movie she did called DOPAMINE.

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And now for another episode of Tech Talk:

I just lost four hours of my life. I was trying to design a poster on my little laptop, the T100 Chi -- and the wifi kept cutting out. Troubleshooting processes accomplished nothing, nor did resetting the router. So I ended up uninstalling and reinstalling different versions of the wifi router. Eventually, it dawned on me that Windows 10 had been updating all my drivers and the new wifi driver doesn't work. Which prompted another search for some way to prevent Windows 10 from fixing things that were working perfectly well without being updated. I did, however, manage to watch several Season 4 episodes of SLIDERS during this time and also do quite a bit of laundry and vacuuming and other non-computer stuff while all this was running.

So annoying. I don't understand this obsession with updates outside of security patches and bug fixes. If something is working just fine, leave it alone, Windows! If you have hardware that runs just fine with an older version of the operating system, then don't force upgrades to an OS not suited for the processor and RAM, Apple! This reminds me -- I already don't update iPad apps unless there's a new feature I want; I'm going to turn off auto-updates for my Android phone as well. This obsession with new seems to assume up-to-date means good.

One of my SLIDERS REBORN consultants was telling me recently how he felt so out of place in fanfic writing when Season 4 of SLIDERS rolled around. There he was, working away on his Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo novellas -- and then everything he wrote suddenly seemed stupid, because no matter what adventures he created for them, it'd all end with Arturo dead, Wade in a rape camp, and Quinn and Rembrandt originating not from a world we could consider home but a Kromagg outpost. That it made him feel like all his stories were out of date and worthless because they weren't in touch with what was new even thought what was new sucked.

I wanted to see if I could talk about consumer gadgets and somehow shift it back to SLIDERS.

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I'm not looking for anything -- you guys are free to post whatever you want and so am I. If your ideas are Season 6, Episode 1, then post away and with my blessing and enthusiasm! I mean, I'm writing SLIDERS REBORN; who am I to declare that the only good SLIDERS stories are entry-level stories?

I just got really torqued when I presented an entry-level story and someone with zero-imagination told me the entry-level story could be made "better" by making it as alienating as possible to a new audience. It's not a crime to lack creativity, but I find it offensive to declare that someone else's work on the grounds would be "better" if any new ideas were removed.

It's not a secret that the creator of Earth Prime and the creator of Sliders.tv/Dimension of Continuity are at odds. I was so proud, so very pleased to take Temporal Flux (DoC)'s reboot idea and Matt Hutaff (Earth Prime)'s "sliding was erased from history and reality" idea and combine them into something welcoming, accessible and new. It was the product of two people who were once friends but aren't anymore -- and putting that Pilot Redux pitch together was my little tribute to what they once were and what they both did for SLIDERS.

I have no problem with people saying they don't like the "history was altered" plot and would prefer that it just be no doubles. I have no problem with NDJ critiquing my suggestion that Rembrandt run a coffee bar. I have no issue with someone saying, "Ehh. I'd rather see Season 6, Episode 1."

But it pissed me off to see someone who has never had a single original idea for SLIDERS ever declare that he can make the Pilot Redux better by replacing its creativity with regurgitated leftovers from Season 5. That's arrogance with nothing to back it up. And I got really angry about that. But *only* that.

I find it really sad that Seasons 3 - 5 have such a stranglehold on the imagination in this thread. When I wonder what a new SLIDERS would be, I think I would want to see:

  • An episode on a world where all copyright laws have become unenforceable and nothing new is being created or sold

  • An episode where the impoverished can earn a living wage by signing up for experimental drug trials that can be life-threatening and deadly

  • An episode where America is the sweatshop labour capital of the world

  • A reality-TV episode where TV producers spotted the sliders' entry and are now following them around 24/7

  • A silent movie episode on an Earth where spoken communication is considered a gross violation of propriety as texting was created much earlier in history

  • An episode where it's become impossible to verify whether anything is true due to advanced imaging techniques and the ability to plant false information with multiple layers of sourcing on the Internet

  • A mumblecore episode

  • A found footage episode

  • A procedural episode in which the sliders try to find answers for an unsolved murder that happened back home but not here

  • An episode from the point of view of a guest-star on a parallel Earth who encounters the sliders and is forever changed

But the majority of the ideas in this thread are how to pick up after "The Seer" and I think that's really unfortunate because it shows how SLIDERS really damaged its fans, sapped them of their creativity and imagination and confined them to only ever imagining sequels, remakes, extensions and revivals of the back catalog of unresolved plots. The fact that these stories were not only upsetting but incomplete has created permanent scar tissue on the fans that they are constantly picking at. I feel really bad for all of us.

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My advice -- choose one character's internal point of view, even if you continue to use third-person language. Use that one character's perspective on the characters and surroundings and his or her reactions to everything in order to tell the story. This will allow you to use more description in a way that's comfortable for a prose reader and begin the process of adapting the characters to text-description rather than live-action performance.

If you must use a completely detached perspective without an internal viewpoint to create mystery (like with the evil sliders), keep it short.

The best character to use for the internal point of view is probably Colin because his ignorance and innocence are useful for exposition.

Oh. There was a moment from that time you met Agents Mulder and Scully of the X-Files Division and you clearly had a crush on Scully. A documented account can be found here. However, this event may be apocryphal or the adventure of a double.

Excerpt from Sliders: X-Marks the Spot
Scully noticed Wade staring at her out of the corner of her eye.

Scully wrinkled her brow at her. "What? Why are you staring at me?"

Wade held up a hand. "Oh, sorry. It's just -- I've never met a female police officer before."

Scully snapped her belt buckle into place. "I'm an FBI agent, not a police officer."

"I've never met one of them, either."

"Fascinating. Let's go, Mulder."

Mulder backed the car out and began to drive to the address on the file.

Scully noticed Wade staring at her again. She rolled her eyes. "Now what?"

"You carry a gun?" Wade asked.

Scully raised an eyebrow. "Obviously. I had it pointed at you a minute ago."

"Yeah, I know, but, like, you carry it all the time, right?"

Scully folded her hands over her lap, glaring out the front windshield. "When I'm on duty, yes."

"You ever kill anybody?" Wade asked.

Scully paused before saying, "A few, yes."

"Cool," Wade whispered. "You ever get in any car chases?"

"Not really, no."

"Ever hang from a helicopter?"

"No."

"Ever kick down a door?"

"Yes."

"Grab somebody's car and tell them 'This is official police business?'"

"No."

"Dust for fingerprints?"

"Yes."

"Ever bust up a drug ring -- "

"Ah, yes. No."

"Ever talk to a Mafia kingpin?"

"Yes."

"Shoot up some Martians?"

"No."

"Drive on two wheels?"

"No."

Wade held up her hands, miming firing an automatic rifle. "Ever bust up a drug ring, where they're, like, shooting at you with bullets flying all over the place, and so you grab an Uzi, and mow 'em all down like grass? Thpt-thpt-thpt-thpt -- "

"Mulder," Scully said, "how long until we get to that warehouse?"

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The teaser is very intriguing. The content is strong with the idea of two sets of sliders on the same world, one evil, one from Season 4. Evil!Colin's behaviour is instantly disturbing.

I'd say that the main problem is the prose and perspective. The main content of your first scene -- the sliders emerging -- is just dialogue. And the dialogue is fine, but there really isn't any other meaningful information other than the banter between the sliders. Enjoyable banter, surrounded by prose that doesn't inform us about the characters or the setting or the atmosphere or the tone in any meaningful way.

This is not a unique problem in fan fiction. The reason this is happening to you: you are attempting to convert a set of television characters into prose, but your grasp of the characters is in terms of physical performance from the actors and spoken lines of dialogue, all from a detached third-person perspective. Prose, by its nature, requires delving more deeply, either in offering internal perspective within a character's thinking or in focusing on environment, atmosphere or exposition.

The only real way around this is to devise 'literature-friendly' versions of the characters and settings that are suited to the prose format -- or you could just say screw it and write a screenplay.

Or you just carry on as you are now, accepting that flaws and mistakes and material that isn't quite right is all part of the process of learning as a writer and even if this story isn't all you want it to be, you will grow from it. I can promise you that I will read it -- but right now, I have to go out, I have a hankering for potato chips.

Does anyone here know of a fellow enthusiast of sliding named Andrew Low?

I owe him twenty dollars and no, I will not adjust for inflation. God damn it.

**

Will REMBRANDT sing and cry at the wedding? :-D

Hmmm. This reminds me. Back in the day, we had a betting pool going on whether or not Wade was bisexual.

... if Wade would care to settle it, this would mean the winner would receive a significant sum sufficient for a matinee movie and a small soda. :-D

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The fact that you are typing all your posts on a Galaxy Ace is AMAZING.

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I like your explanation for Mallory. It remains absolutely baffling to me that Season 5 never provided any such explanation. I don't know what the hell they were thinking. They probably weren't. But I still don't see how this bypasses the need for an explanation -- none of the information you suggest was ever onscreen, meaning the script can't assume the reader already knows it and it would be necessary to spell it out. And again, for what purpose? To bring in a character to do things that Jerry's Quinn can do just fine?

And this comes back to my problem with the Mallory character; he was badly written because the route chosen to make him contrast with Quinn made Mallory totally unnecessary. Quinn was 'street-smart' in his own way.

I think that the best way to approach Mallory would have been to make him more a variant on Quinn. Jerry's Quinn was focused on mathematics as a tool for addressing physics and quantum mechanics as well as engineering and computer programming. I think Floyd's Quinn should have been focused on mathematics as well -- but seen it all only in terms of money. And this would have played up the criminal aspect of Mallory more; he's obsessed with money and scamming some out of people even if he can't take it with him. Basically like what we saw of him trying to profit off Maggie's hair in "The Return" but even moreso. Then there would be a clear contrast between the Floyd-personality and the Jerry-personality.

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I have to say, I am a little sad by how this thread has turned out.

I don't understand the obsession with Kromaggs and the invasion of Earth and the cliffhanger of "The Seer." Why do you want to extend stories you clearly didn't like? Why would you want a SLIDERS reboot meant for a new audience to deal with episodes this new audience likely hasn't seen?

In my view, the main challenges of a SLIDERS revival are coming up with cool parallel Earth ideas, one per episode and creating a show that will never run out of ideas and also using the more serialized approach of modern TV. What would a SLIDERS with ongoing character development and running plots be like? What would a SLIDERS with detailed character backstories revealed over multiple seasons be like? What would parallel Earths be like with modern day filming and special effects where digital cameras, background composition and CG augmentation be like?

What would the timer look like?

Don't let me prevent you from enjoying the show however you like, of course. :-)

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sliders5125 wrote:

Ireactions, the above works, but would work better if Rembrandt is the key to hiding everything and he purposely has found away to stay busy in Quinn s life so that every time Quinn is talking about antigravity machine etc. Rembrandt eyes lite up in terror and he suggests other scientific endeavors ....Rembrandt and the proffessor could be the key to distracting Quinn over the years up to the point where he does start sliding again ....instead of a 2001 Quinn hiding sliding it was a Rembrandt that somehow met up with the proffessor in 2001 after the kromagg cure of the finale and they had developed this magic machine to go back in time and stop Quinn from presuming sliding past the initial test the hid the tapes and all evidence leading to sliding from Quinn to keep our Earth from going through all of the awful events sliding had brought.

Rembrandt would be a tortured soul and the guy with the experience knowing that he eliminated both the good and the bad that sliding had accomplished. ..telling himself more bad than good happened over the 5 year journey...and now that the team is forced to slide again hoping they don't make the same mistakes trying to find home...or a safe supstitite for home.

You have completely missed the point of the story proposal.

Story Element: Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo discover sliding in 2015 instead of 1994.

Purpose: This gives SLIDERS a new start but with the original actors; we have the original chemistry, the original faces -- but we can start the show again and do it right this time without being encumbered by having to resolve plots like Logan St. Clair, the Professor's illness and which one slid, liberating Earth Prime, saving Wade, splitting the Quinns, recovering Colin, overturning the Quinn from Kromagg Prime backstory.

Your Revision: Rembrandt and the Professor have been hiding sliding from Quinn.

Your Result: The fresh start is lost, because your version has Rembrandt and the Professor, for whatever reason, still remembering sliding and the 1995 show. Meaning that this Pilot Redux would once again be forced to deal with the anti-Kromagg virus and all the other debris of Seasons 3 - 5. The result would be a story that is completely alienating to an audience who hasn't seen those episodes and it would distract from the point of SLIDERS, which is to have them exploring at least one new parallel world every week.

That's what a mass media, broadcast version of SLIDERS has to be about. Every episode features at least one new parallel Earth. It's not about Kromaggs. It's not about saving Colin. It's not about following up on Quinn's offspring. That is just noise. Debris. If a revival of SLIDERS on TV doesn't create a new series that can reach a new audience, it is pointless to make one.

                                                                                           

Story Element: Sliding was erased from history due to unknown means that are mysterious and never fully explained, allowing everyone in reality to live the lives they would have lived had slide-tech never existed.

Purpose: This clears the slate, allowing a new audience to begin the journey with the sliders on the ground floor with nobody remembering the 1995 show. They can discover the multiverse for the first time.

Your Revision: Rembrandt remembers everything and is traumatized by it.

Your Result: Sliding isn't new, it's old and tired and the characters are actually bored and irritated by it -- which are not the emotions I'd want to provoke in a potential new audience.

                                                                                           

Story Element: The videotaped journals from 1994 are the only aspect of the original timeline.

Purpose: This isolates any continuity references to one specific area -- the videotapes. They might be incomplete. They might be out of order. They might be damaged or unintelligible in places. This controls how much continuity the show has to deal with and allows the show to focus on creating new stories rather than being obligated to rehash and resolve old stories.

Your Revision: Rembrandt would constantly bring up the past.

Your Result: The show is incomprehensible to anyone who hasn't seen those episodes.

                                                                                           

?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

TF suggested a way to restart the series with the same old faces discovering sliding, which I updated for 2015. Matt suggested a story direction that would make it so they aren't just the same faces; they're the same people. And I found a way to bring in the past that would be controlled and isolated in this Pilot Redux so we could focus on new worlds and new stories. Each of these ideas made the Pilot Redux "better" by widening its appeal to fans and newcomers.

One would think that to make this story "better," as others have, you would look at the story's goals of providing a simple, welcoming, accessible introduction to SLIDERS and find ways to make it even more so.

When your 'improvements' take the simple, welcoming and accessible and render it convoluted, alienating and confusing, then you haven't made it "better" -- you have made it worse.

I find you delusionally arrogant. Temporal Flux and Matt Hutaff may be at odds, but they're two of the most imaginative and creative people in this fandom, and when I combined their concepts, the results were magnificent. You are seriously punching above your weight to declare that you will make their ideas better by replacing them with your own -- especially when your ideas are empty rehashes of Season 4 - 5 plots which are devoid of parallel worlds concepts, originality or creativity.

When these are the ideas you have to offer, you've no business telling anyone how to make their story "better."

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Warning: there is a bit of ego in this post. Or at least faux-ego. With SLIDERS REBORN, I am (pretending to be) leading the SLIDERS property. I have a (largely imagined) responsibility to shepherd this property in a fashion that is accessible for its audience.

That's largely an audience of SLIDERS fans, a decision for which Matt Hutaff has been (correctly) critical. Doing a direct sequel to "The Seer" albeit with a time gap, treating the sliders as familiar characters to whom the readers are being re-introduced -- SLIDERS REBORN isn't a mass-audience product, it's not an entry-level story for a new generation of SLIDERS fans.

That's something I think media tie-in material can do because the target audience is the fans. Examples of such products include DOCTOR WHO comics and novels, the X-FILES SEASON 10 - 11 comics, STAR TREK novels -- writers feel comfortable assuming the audience is familiar with the mythology, continuity and signifiers.

I enjoy using continuity as a *tool*. I don't throw in references randomly; they are present because they create a feeling of intimacy between the characters and the reader. They create a sense of shared experience: we all saw Rembrandt lose his Cadillac, we all saw him admit he had no idea how to recharge the timer, we all saw Wade revealed as a mutilated human computer. When I bring these things up in scripts, I think it makes the reader feel like they are one of the sliders.

However, continuity references that don't serve a plot or emotional purpose are a distraction. They interrupt pacing. They throw off the rhythm of scenes. It's like pausing in the middle of a song to interject some unnecessary commentary before pressing play again. As I said, Mallory's presence brings in so many questions and requires that the story stop in place completely in order to answer them. It's disruptive.

I mean, SLIDERS REBORN has some crazy long scenes -- but those scenes are filled with the voices of the characters whom we all missed and longed to see again, so I felt that was simply giving the audience everything they wanted and more -- but if they stopped suddenly to explain who Mallory is and why he's there and how he can exist -- the energy would instantly deflate.

HIGHLIGHT TO SEE SPOILERS

When Smarter-Quinn from the Pilot shows up in REBORN, it was necessary to account for how he was in "The Other Slide of Darkness" as a suicidal shaman of a forest tribe who claimed to have given the Kromaggs their sliding technology. This was so convoluted that I decided to address it very distantly -- first with acknowledging that "Darkness" did happen through having Rembrandt comment that the last time the sliders saw him, Smarter-Quinn was wearing a crazy wig and facepaint. Then finally, I had Smarter-Quinn mention that when reality was rewritten, he went insane (which indicates his claim to have given Kromaggs sliding was a delusion), but he found himself eventually. Anything more would have been disruptive.

Mallory in SLIDERS REBORN would serve no purpose. The whole concept for Mallory was fundamentally flawed; the idea was that he would be more street-smart where Quinn was book-smart. Except Quinn's intelligence was completely capable of addressing physical and practical problems through improvised solutions and quick-thinking -- so Mallory wasn't actually bringing anything to the table that Quinn didn't already have; if anything, he brought less. If Quinn is in the story, Mallory is completely unnecessary.

Robert Floyd, very cleverly, focused on the identity crisis; the idea that Quinn and Mallory were two separate, conflicting personalities who would both have different perspectives. Mallory would be selfish, emotional, insincere; Quinn would be moral, analytical, heartfelt. Mallory would be empathetic and eager to engage with people; Quinn would be withdrawn and secretive. Quinn would be a risktaking crusader for justice; Mallory would want to save his own skin first. That peculiar dynamic would honour Jerry O'Connell while creating something new -- which truly speaks to how much Floyd respected Quinn Mallory and SLIDERS. But if Jerry's Quinn is present, this simply isn't needed.

Colin also serves no purpose; if you have Jerry as the young scientist, you don't need another one. Colin's naivete and innocence are also unnecessary because Quinn already had that sense of wide-eyed wonder or would if he were written correctly.

Ultimately, my (imagined?) responsibilities are to serving the original four -- Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo. The original and iconic sliders. But in my view, the best version of Sliders would have Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt, Arturo, Maggie, Colin, Mallory and Diana all sitting at the table together. If my story needs an action-girl with spy skills, that's Maggie; if my story needs to give Arturo another scientist who isn't Quinn to bounce off of, that's Diana. And I have some ideas for how to integrate the Season 3 monsters into a Season 1 - 2 style version of SLIDERS. But Colin and Mallory -- how do they serve the original four?

I have found no satisfactory answer and no one has been able to give me one -- so I'm steering clear of them outside of isolated visual and in-dialogue reference.

[SLIDERS REBORN SPOILERS. READ IT HERE FIRST.]

I've yet to commit myself to the idea that I'm writing about your double from a TV show version. It's possible that I'm reconstructing events based on eyewitness accounts, documented evidence and the Professor's blinkered and egotistical version of events. Given the pan-dimensional nature of the events of SLIDERS REBORN involves two altered timelines that culminated in the city of San Francisco being merged with 800 parallel versions of itself and then being attacked a year later by pancake parasites, fat-craving zombies, animal-human hybrids, rockstar vampires, radioactive slugs, Dream Masters, super-intelligent snakes, dinosaurs... and toy cars with laser cannons, very odd... anyway. For all we know, this is merely the three-dimensional perspective on a cosmically indescribable event taking shape in a five-part documentary in which noted actors Jerry O'Connell, John Rhys-Davies and Cleavant Derricks play Quinn, the Professor and Rembrandt, Taissa Farmiga plays Laurel Hills and Angie Everhart plays you if Sabrina Lloyd won't come back from Uganda.

Or I'm just completely insane. Who can tell? Anyway -- on my end of the multiverse, Quinn has a daughter. A bratty half-pint of a 15-year-old. She's sardonic and curious and troubled and anomalous and gay. You're not her mother, though -- she's the product of Quinn's awkward fumbling with that Jane Hills lady on that Earth where all the men died off and in-vitro wasn't available for... uh, some reason. Given your double's relationship with Quinn developing, she feels some responsibility to Laurel -- but she also finds Laurel an uncontrollable hellraiser. But that's not important!

Currently, I've compiled my perspective on events into three screenplays and a novella. One long-time follower of your exploits informed me that he very much enjoyed the material and felt the characters truly came alive, that he could hear their voices so distinctly, so vividly. He could hear all of you. Quinn. Rembrandt. Arturo. And of course, Wade. He enjoyed the scripts so much he wrote a TV Tropes page on the story. And he wrote little descriptions of Quinn, Rembrandt and Arturo -- how Quinn is the Guile Hero who bypasses violence with cleverness. How Rembrandt is the incompetent who turns out to be more capable than he realizes. How Arturo is so smart he figures out Quinn's master plan without Quinn ever verbalizing it.

And then he got to Wade -- and he couldn't identify anything remotely unique about your portrayal in SLIDERS REBORN. Certainly, he'd enjoyed your character and you'd had many amusing lines and hilarious observations and helped save the world -- but he couldn't point to any specific goals or actions that reflected something unique and individual to you and you alone. You were funny. But all the sliders were funny, so in terms of what you brought to the table, you were The Girl.

This embarrassed me so deeply that I spent weeks wandering the streets wondering what exactly defines Wade Welles, what makes her stand out when standing next to Quinn, Rembrandt and Arturo. The only thing that came to mind is that she's been, in some documentaries and reconstructions, played by Sabrina Lloyd. That's what defines you. Which seems to be something similar to the problem you're having in that you have no idea what you bring to the table in your relationship with Quinn.

I finally decided that your primary character trait would be a streak of relentless practicality that allows you to execute absurd and difficult ideas in grounded and realistic terms matched with an aptitude for resolving interpersonal conflict that completely eludes Quinn, introverted little weirdo that he is. An ability to delegate effectively and also produce practical application to otherwise theoretical concepts. It troubles me that I could only figure out what your deal is by Part Five of Five and find ways to demonstrate it in order to complete your double's arc... but better late than never?

So maybe you can also put this to use in sorting out your stuff with Quinn.

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I said I wasn't going to deal with Colin in SLIDERS REBORN and would just write him off as the product of an altered timeline. But then I felt so terrible about failing to include Mallory in REBORN -- so awful that I wrote Robert Floyd a letter of grief-stricken apology, explaining that Mallory is really hard to introduce because his presence instantly raises questions (Why is his name Quinn and why doesn't he look like Jerry and why doesn't he have doubles and... ), questions that are a massive distraction, questions which I can't answer.

Rob was absolutely devastated to learn that his character had been excluded from a piece of fan fiction for a TV show he worked on for one season 15 years ago -- which is to say he didn't really understand what I was talking about and was also quite pre-occupied with a busy schedule of COCKTAIL THEATRE performances.

(I'm not crazy. I front-loaded the E-mail with some news articles I thought he'd find interesting; the fanfic chatter was in a post-script. The articles, he did understand and find hilarious and I'm transcribing them for Earth Prime.)

Anyway. I felt so much worse after that. So I wrote a scene where Rembrandt has a photograph of Mallory. Except then, it became necessary to also address Colin and his absence as well. So I grudgingly did so. God damn it.

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Earlier, I said that in pre-REBORN discussions, Matt had come up with a way to do the "older doubles make their first slide" Pilot Redux -- but with a twist to indicate that these older doubles were in fact the original sliders we met in 1995.

Recent discussions have made it clear that the REBORN finale will be the end of the road for my SLIDERS writing -- so I think I feel okay with sharing the secret twist of how the 2015 Pilot characters would have been revealed to actually be the 1995 characters.

Matt was really not onboard with the in-continuity approach I proposed for REBORN. My first draft was poor and made a lousy case for treating SLIDERS as a unified supermyth.

In response, Matt offered a simpler story for a new Pilot -- set on Earth Prime where the Kromagg invasion never happened. At first, it seems like the Pilot Redux characters are older doubles of the originals discovering sliding for the first time.

However, the Pilot Redux ends with a revelation: these aren't older doubles at all. They are the original sliders -- they lost their memories of sliding because sliding was erased from history.

Matt left it up to me to sort out the execution of this twist. My thoughts on how to do this at one point went very surreal but have now become very grounded -- it's a new version of the Pilot, a new beginning for a new audience. I would use Temporal Flux's take, but updated for 2015.

Quinn Mallory is a tax accountant who lost his passion for science after failing to create anti-gravity. Wade Welles is a tech journalist who has lost her enthusiasm for writing gadget reviews after failing to get her journalism startup to succeed. Rembrandt Brown is a coffee house owner whose only joy is singing for an audience on open mic nights (a reference to the Java Jive and, I think, more in tune with Rembrandt's jazz-and-soul background than a nightclub). And Professor Arturo is a writer of high school science study guides who failed to keep his tenure after a scientific theory for which the world was not prepared.

Quinn is estranged from Wade and the Professor after a strange incident in 1994 that he has never been able to explain. When Amanda Mallory dies, Quinn goes home to clean out his stuff and sell the house. He encounters his anti-gravity machine but also finds something that wasn't there before -- videotapes he doesn't recognize. A video journal he never made, featuring a 1994-Quinn who did discover sliding. Quinn follows what he sees in the video journal and opens a vortex for the first time.

In terms of the plot, the video diaries would serve the role that Smarter-Quinn played in the Pilot: explaining sliding to our Quinn.

Throughout the Pilot Redux, the 2015 Quinn would be watching these videos to try to benefit from his double's experience. In addition to the 1994 video diaries, there'd also be video diaries from 2001 where 2001 Quinn apologizes for his lengthy absence. Subsequent diaries would have 2001 Quinn describing a terrible cataclysm on the horizon; an interdimensional war on all fronts and how all his friends are dead.

The final entry would be 2001 Quinn addressing 2015 Quinn -- saying that he has been forced to take drastic measures. He's found a way to retroactively alter reality so sliding never existed -- meaning everyone will live the lives they would without sliding. The only remnant of a multiverse with sliding will be these videotapes.

2001 Quinn says that he will take measures to prevent his amnesiac self from ever reconstructing the technology. But, he confesses -- he doesn't believe he can stop his future self from creating sliding -- his best hope is to slow the process down so that when he does rediscover sliding, he'll be older, wiser and more prepared for the responsibility.

So, the 2015 Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo would be validated as the 1995 characters, but they wouldn't remember the 1995 TV series outside of the video journals. It would just be background; the fact that this has happened before would be a subtle, low-key note in an otherwise new beginning.

Good? Bad? Too subtle? Too much? I don't know. I really liked Matt's idea, I really liked Temporal Flux's reboot idea. I decided not to do it, but now it's here. Someone else can use it.

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Tom and Cory applauded me for noting that Penny is meant to represent Wade in "Common Ground." That wasn't me, that was Ian McDuffie. I even linked to his review.

-- ?!?!

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Tom apparently has the NARCOTICA comic on which "Just Say Yes" was based. He dislikes Dennis Calero's art. I'll have to respectfully disagree; I thought Calero did a great job of using a more impressionistic approach to SLIDERS, focusing on mood and atmosphere as opposed to detail and photorealism. His approach to the characters allows the likenesses to be off because they're illustrative representations of the sliders rather than attempts to copy photos. I also thought NARCOTICA was well written because Jerry O'Connell's script isn't about how DRUGS ARE EVIL. Jerry's script is about how drugs are being used as a means of societal control on this alternate world, which shifts the situation into a more nuanced state of moral ambiguity.

I dunno how the Jerry who wrote this comic constantly comes off as a sub-literate moron when talking SLIDERS in interviews.

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"Just Say Yes" is an inept effort to demonize drugs and dramatize addiction -- very odd, given that David Peckinpah and Bill Dial saw their TV producer jobs as ways to enable their addictions. Strange how "Just Say Yes" is the one story these people are qualified to tell and they couldn't do it.

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Tom really highlighted my distaste for the Season 4 arc. Cory and Tom enjoy "Alternateville" as a fun, light episode. But, as Tom says, it feels totally out of place when Season 4 started with the invasion of Earth Prime and the enslavement of Wade and Amanda Mallory and the deaths of all the Pilot characters. Against this backdrop, it's just awkward to see stories like "Alternateville." They don't fit the dark situation the show has created.

Which is precisely my argument against the Kromagg Prime arc; it doesn't widen the stories SLIDERS can do; it narrows them until stories that aren't connected to the Kromaggs no longer suit the characters. Season 4 is actively trying to take away the stories SLIDERS can tell until using the full breadth of SLIDERS stories now feels wrong. And it seems to have left the fanbase permanently damaged.

There's over fifty Season 6 fanfics and the majority of them are Kromagg war epics. There's at least fifteen pitches for alternate visions of Season 4 that start with the Kromagg invasion of Earth. Towards the end, most of the fanfics were about the Kromagg myth-arc.

A fanfic writer from that era recently told me that he couldn't stand Season 4 and it made him stop writing SLIDERS fanfics. He didn't want to write for Quinn, Rembrandt, Colin and Maggie searching for a superweapon; he didn't relate to that team. He wanted to write Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo, but writing stories with the original quartet in a post-"Genesis" era made him feel like he was stuck in the past and out of date, that the only stories that belonged in SLIDERS were focused on fighting Kromaggs rather than exploring parallel worlds.

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omnimercurial wrote:

To be fair NDJ agreed Rickman needed to be stopped. The thing is though.... Violence is not Quinn's go to option unless pushed into it. You point this out yourself in your newer posts quite succinctly when discussing his Mind and Problem solving being a core quality and more impressive asset than brawling alone. I believe Quinn would aim to immobilise and capture Rickman if given a choice. Rickmans medical condition is likely to kill him without additional victims anyway so Death is likely, but an execution? No.

I do not believe Quinn would have ever stopped pursuing Rickman. But I also don't believe Quinn would have killed Rickman, at least not if he were written correctly.

I think Quinn would have found some way to strand Rickman in a state of quantum suspension, imprisoned and 'frozen' inside the interdimensional tunnel -- with the intention to one day find a cure for Rickman's condition, release him from limbo and repair his damaged body and mind.

Anyway. I thought NDJ raised an interesting approach to Season 4. "Mother and Child" has a plothole: why don't Quinn and Rembrandt try to use the anti-Kromagg virus on their home Earth? NDJ suggested a missing scene / plot where their memories were erased.

NDJ wrote:

Since the commander used his mind tricks on everybody at the facility, it’s not that big a stretch to think he used it on the sliders to make them forget about getting it for themselves (especially since he used mind control to hide a weapon during Quinn’s pat down).

It makes me think: Season 4 is filled with awkward beats and characterization that were could have been made reasonable with some added scenes.

What if "Mother and Child" in addition to the Kromagg mindwipe, there was also another scene? A scene where Quinn abruptly separates himself from Colin, Maggie and Rembrandt -- making some flimsy excuse that doesn't fool Rembrandt. Rembrandt finds Quinn  Quinn is crying. The failure to find Wade again has hit him hard, and Quinn rages over how they've broken into 15 Kromagg bases trying to find Wade and "we never have time." He wonders if this is pointless, if they should give up. Maggie calls for Quinn and Quinn suddenly pulls himself together, his face resuming the cold stoicism he had before.

And maybe the final scene is Quinn staring blankly at wall in the Chandler and then Rembrandt drags him outside and down the street. Rembrandt points across the street. We see, at a distance, a slender redhead with an apron waiting on a table at an outdoor restaurant. Rembrandt says that on a lot of worlds, Kelly Welles and Wade opened a chain of Internet cafes; any time Rembrandt sees a Turing Treats in the phone book, he knows Wade's around.

Rembrandt tells Quinn: watch her. Go up to her and talk to her and take her to the movies, or walk by once and then walk away. He tells Quinn to do whatever he has to do, but he can't give up. They have to keep searching for the superweapon. They can't give up. And we'd end on Quinn alone, looking at the Wade-double. Does he approach? Does he leave? Fade out.

Another major sticking point is "Revelations" where Quinn is apparently not going to accompany Rembrandt back to Earth Prime to liberate it from the Kromaggs. I would probably imagine a missing scene where Colin confronts Quinn about this: and Quinn reveals that now that they have the weapon, they can free their home Earth, but Wade and Amanda Mallory are still out there. Rembrandt and Quinn had an agreement: Rembrandt would take the weapon home. Quinn would go search for Wade and his mom.

It would add weight to Jerry's half-hearted performance in the final scene when Maggie tells Quinn she hopes he gets home someday and Quinn says he does too -- but what he's really thinking about is how his search for Wade is once again on hold.

That said, I think the whole Kromagg Prime arc of Season 4 was awful awful awful no matter how many tweaks might have been made. But "Commander Wade Welles" and Quinn putting on a brave face for the others while crying over Wade when nobody's looking would have helped a little. (A little.)

I'm 'hearing' a lot of anger in her words, to be honest. A cold and icy fury.

"People often ask me if I miss doing SLIDERS and I tell them no, I don't miss it."

{Of course I miss SLIDERS. I miss the family atmosphere. I miss John and Cleavant and Jerry. I miss the way the producers cared about giving my character some backbone and making her less the love interest. I don't really miss Vancouver -- so cold -- but I miss SLIDERS and I miss the fans as well.

{But I don't miss what the show turned into. I don't miss a show with abominable scripts and indifferent producers who see the making of a TV show as an expense account for binge drinking sessions. I don't miss Kari Wuhrer's screeching insecurity. I don't miss the cave set. I don't miss the horifically misogynistic environment.

{I had to get the hell out of there.}

"I went as far with that show as I could and I wasn't being challenged as much as I wanted to be in my life.""

{I mean, we have producers treating TV like it's something to make between binge drinking sessions. They turned John's exit into an on-set rock concert for two weeks. The scripts are a mess with contradictory dialogue. When actors blow lines, the directors don't care to get another take.

{They don't want to do anything that's even slightly challenging or difficult, they don't care if the performances need more time, if the continuity between shots is off, if the sound editing isn't done, if characters' names aren't mentioned -- they don't care. I could sleepwalk through the scene and they'd be satisfied. I don't want to work with people like that.

{I had no reason to stay.}

"I just felt that I wasn't getting anything out of it anymore.""

{I was so depressed. So sad. Look, let's be frank; nothing I do will ever matter as much as SLIDERS because nothing I do will ever have this kind of devoted, loyal fanbase. Sean Connery's always going to be a spy and I'll always be a slider. But showing up to work for people who don't care about the material we're producing or the audience to whom we're appealing and who treat women like sexual commodities -- I just couldn't live like that anymore. I'm sorry that's what the show became.}

"So I left and no, I won't ever look back."

{I feel sorry for Kari Wuhrer. I'm never going to be the Maxim covergirl, Playboy's not going to call -- and yeah, casting directors think teenaged boys might crush on me and that definitely helps with finding work -- but I'm hired for my acting, not because my bosses have sexual fantasies about me. Well. If they do, it's not the only reason.

{The only reason Kari can pay her rent is because the people who hire her are masturbating to her. Nobody likes her work or her talent or her screen presence or her approach to material or the way she considers a scene or her mannerisms or her line deliveries or her sense of comic timing -- and if SLIDERS is the right place for her, then it's not the right place for me.

{That's not the work I want to do; that's not what I want on my reel and filmography. I want to work for the Aaron Sorkins, not the David Peckinpahs.}

"I'm in a breeding camp? I have to say I was a little surprised about that. But it's okay. They had to get rid of my character somehow. I don't think there was anything malicious about it."

{I think it's sad that they did that to my character. I think it's sad they did that to the fans because that's who they really hurt.

{It couldn't hurt me. I don't work there anymore. And I think that's a pretty clear indicator of how toxic that set is for a woman -- so the fact that Kari thrives there is really tragic.

{That said, I didn't rule out doing a few episodes, but I sure as hell did after the rape camp plot. If they ever asked me to come back to the show, I would set my asking price well above what they'd pay. So all they did was sever any possibility of a future professional relationship. Sure hope they don't come looking for a guest-appearance from me!}

Anyway. I think Quinn needs to have a talk with you, Wade. I'm a little surprised that you agreed to marry him when you don't really know where he is right now.

On my end of the multiverse -- Wade is 43-years-old and got her Master's Degree in Social Work and spent years working as a school guidance counselor. Currently, she's switched her focus to counseling people dealing with interdimensional issues. Pretty heavy caseload. A lot of work and responsibilities and running around different offices in San Francisco. She sees Quinn in the evenings and at meetings and they have dinner a couple nights a week, but they lead separate lives with separate goals -- and they spin into each other's orbits now and then.

Wade would also like to be a stepmother. Laurel laughs at her for this.

{{First, something for intangirble. Matt Hutaff of Earth Prime sent me a box of SLIDERS clippings from the Sci-Fi Channel's press office. He never had time to go through the 2,000 clippings. I reviewed the material and found 12 items of interest for future addition to EP.COM's article archives.

{{I just wanted to share this for intangirble first -- a clipping where Sabrina Lloyd is interviewed and reacts to the rape camp.

http://s16.postimg.org/yqery5v8h/sabrina_lloyd_on_the_breeder_camp.jpg}}

[SLIDERS REBORN SPOILERS. READ IT HERE FIRST?]

Hi, Wade. How's the hair growing? It may be hip-length by the time you finish reading this message.

From what I can tell, I'm not currently working with your Quinn. I'm working with a different Quinn. Your Quinn appears to be 23 - 24, engaged with random sliding and he may or may not overcome the demons of his past. Both our Quinns have the same origin.

Quinn skipped two grades and was smaller than his peers, ostracized for his intellectual prowess, abused and threatened. When 11-year-old Quinn approached his father for help, his father refused to intervene. Quinn screamed at his father that he hated him, Mr. Mallory withheld any response and left -- and those were the last words Quinn ever spoke to his father. Mr. Mallory died in a car crash afterwards.

Later, Quinn was attacked by one of the bullies. Quinn defended himself with a baseball bat and permanently injured the boy. Quinn blamed himself for his father's death and for nearly crippling Brady.

From these incidents, Quinn developed an instinct for withdrawing and isolating himself -- except in one instance. He made an exception for Daelin. There is no data consistent across parallel universes with regards to Daelin except in one area: she left him. Not by choice; her parents moved -- but she left him and Quinn, once again alone, closed his heart.

By 1995, Quinn was an incandescently charismatic youth but with humility and restraint. In some instances, this was to his credit: in his classes with Professor Arturo, he pretended not to know the answers a show of solidarity with his classmates.

In others, this was socially damaging and psychologically crippling: despite you being clearly besotted with him, he pretended not to notice. Recall that day you told him you'd scored the hockey tickets, brimming with eagerness and hope for your outing.

Thank back. Was he oblivious? Or was he cautiously avoiding eye-contact and direct engagement? Shielding himself? Because when you two were faced of the end of the world and you told him that there were things about you he didn't know, he leaned in to kiss you, indicating he'd always known how you felt. I noticed, when you visited his house, his mother didn't recognize you and you peered about the interiors with great curiosity -- meaning that despite being on such good terms with Quinn that you would be going to hockey games, he had never invited you over. Not once. Not ever.

Note also that while on friendly terms with his classmates, he was close to none of them and his mother didn't know what he was doing in the basement. And why was Quinn creating sliding in a basement lab? Using discounted Doppler products and junkyard finds? Why not a university lab? Why not as a school project?

Why wasn't Quinn, an athletic, attractive grad student, dating? He likes women; his relationship with his mother shows clear respect for them, he wouldn't have had any trouble appealing to others.

The answer is that Quinn's life was defined by his secrets. Distance let him keep his secrets. But it also deepened the damage and led to the carelessness and recklessness of the first slide where he got himself and three others lost.

I think your Quinn and mine have consistent adventures up to 1996 or so. Our Quinns most definitely grew during the first two years of sliding; the boy who was overwhelmed by the Soviet World is not the commanding and clever man who trounced Logan St. Clair and Prototronics with ease as he forced them to release you from their custody and engineered an escape.

I don't know what happened next to your Quinn. Maybe he continued to grow and advance, becoming a master of the interdimension and seeking ways and means to topple injustice, bring equality and freedom to world after world and solve every single problem of civilization with knowledge and ideas. Maybe he got you all home but continued to be driven by curiosity and wanderlust and never stopped exploring. Maybe he created a team of sliders to continue exploring while he moved into a different situation where you and he could start a family with a stable environment. Or maybe he became a tax accountant.

Regardless, the man who mentored his younger self and addressed his guilt and remorse was now prepared to fall in love again someday.

What happened to my Quinn, however, was more unfortunate. He learned of a Kromagg plot to collapse the multiverse and restore it with only Kromagg-approved variations on reality.

Quinn set out to stop them and succeeded, but at a terrible price: in 2001, the multiverse was destroyed and Quinn only managed to rebuild a portion of it; every Earth in existence now had an identical history up to March 22, 1995 (or, in your timeline, September 27, 1994) with variations in history existing only after that point. To make matters worse, no new Earths would split from post-1995 decision points.

Quinn was able to send his friends back home, and with the shift in reality, home had never been invaded. His friends could resume their lives after a six year absence. But Quinn discovered that the 1995-limitation had damaged the multiverse. The injustices and failings of Quinn's home Earth were now multiplied to infinity without divergence or alternative.

The concept of sliding was broken and Quinn would now devote the rest of his life to alleviating the harm he'd caused.

Once again, Quinn's life was defined by a shameful secret. A secret well beyond misplaced guilt over his father's death in an automobile accident or injuring an attacker in self-defence. A secret for which he despised himself, a secret he could not bring himself to share with anyone.

And fourteen years later, Quinn has degenerated back into the state he was in when you first met him: isolated, withdrawn, alone except for his mother and even she is kept at a distance. And every failure to create new universes has made him pull farther and farther back. He's dressing the way he did in 1995 (flannel and jeans), even has the same hair -- which is attractive, but also indicates his mental downturn.

Could he have met someone new? He couldn't let anyone into his life, because if he did, he would have to reveal his secret. It would never be an equal relationship and Quinn would never risk letting anyone get close enough to have to expose himself.

Would he have dated casually, had the odd liaison? Perhaps -- but given his bedroom is now enmeshed with a recreation of his basement lab, Quinn clearly set up his life so that it would be impossible to ever bring anyone home.

Could Quinn have just gone the route of casual sex with bringing dates to a room at the Dominion Hotel or the Motel 12? He may have considered it, but ultimately chosen to maintain his emotional and physical seclusion. He wasn't going to look up Daelin; he wasn't going to track down Holly the Chandler-manager. Quinn, for all his faults, never lies to himself. He was alone. He accepted it.

There's really only one person whom Quinn might let into his life and his heart at this point. Only one person who might pierce his boundaries and barriers. Just one.

Which is why Quinn so carefully avoided you (or rather, your double) for 14 years.

That said, I have some hope for Quinn -- the recent discovery that he has a daughter forced him to open up. He wasn't going to isolate himself from his child; he wasn't going to deny her a father or himself a daughter -- and opening himself up to his kid will force him to open up to others. But this Quinn is so fundamentally damaged and so entrenched in interdimensional matters -- I have serious doubts he could relate to a 'normal' person at this point.

Anyway. I assume the 1995-limitation will be addressed seeing as we're having this conversation. And I wouldn't assume that your Quinn has the deficiencies of my Quinn. (I imagine he has plenty of his own.)

omnimercurial wrote:

I think Quinn opposes Injustice where he finds it but he is also the type of person that gets tunnel vision and a little obsessive on 1 particular thing at a time. If he saw Human Trafficking occuring, yes he would oppose it and throw his intellect at the problem but.... As an immediate thing ie a Short term goal. I think Quinn only has room for one long term overarching dominant goal at a time whereas juggling multiple short term goals is very much a thing e can do.

How would you know? ;-)

During the four seasons Quinn was on the show, he was sliding randomly. When during the show did he ever have the chance to demonstrate long-term planning and project management skills? Does the fact that he was never in onscreen situations where he could plan long term mean he was incapable of doing so? Or that he couldn't learn?

That said, a Quinn with no long-term thinking who has been made this way by sliding -- that's a valid take on the character. There are definitely Quinn-doubles like that out there; some other writer might write Quinn in this way and it would be a legitimate interpretation. It's just not mine. The Quinn of REBORN is not a nomadic college student. He's a 42-year-old man who has had 14 years to refine his technology, methodology, body, mind, spirit and soul and make himself superhuman while still remaining socially awkward, troubled, disturbed, withdrawn, isolated, and a messy dresser who forgets to get haircuts.

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Anyway. Some excerpts from the final SLIDERS REBORN script. Up to this point, this scene best represents what I ultimately want for SLIDERS.





               EXCERPT FROM SLIDERS REBORN: REGENESIS

               For Rob Floyd



               INT. SLIDERS INC. BOARDROOM - NIGHT

               Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo step into the boardroom,
               followed by five Maggie-doubles (Allison, Mags, Bex, Peggy
               and Meg) as well as Diana. Everyone sits. Rembrandt is
               carrying a LARGE, FRAMED PHOTO -- and he puts the photo frame
               in the vacant chair next to him.

               The photo frame holds an image of Mallory (Robert Floyd).

                                   ALLISON
                             (to Rembrandt)
                         Okay. Who's the guy in the photo?
                         And why do you always bring that to
                         meetings?

                                   REMBRANDT
                         He should be sitting at this table.
                         He ain't here anymore, but he sure
                         earned his place.

                                   ALLISON
                         Nobody knows who he is!
                             (looking to Quinn)
                         Mallory! Tell your buddy he's being
                         weird.

                                   QUINN
                         Remmy, you're being weird.

               Rembrandt looks furious.

                                   QUINN (CONT'D)
                         Just hang his photo on the wall.

               Rembrandt's eyes widen as though this simply failed to occur
               to him. He stands, picks up the photo frame and moves to the
               wall --

                                   QUINN (CONT'D)
                         I already drilled in a hook in the
                         center.

               Rembrandt finds the hook and hangs the photograph of Mallory.
               Mallory now overlooks the boardroom table.

                                   REMBRANDT
                         Could we get Colin up here too?

                                   QUINN
                         Could we not? I'm still getting
                         over how he was one of fifteen
                         clones programmed to kill us.

               Rembrandt nods and happily returns to his seat, Laurel comes
               in, pushing a cart of coffee and tea. She sits down while
               Diana stands and moves to the head of the table.

                                   DIANA
                         Alright, this is the forty-third
                         weekly meeting on the subject of
                         addressing the 1995-limitation on
                         the multiverse as well as reality's
                         inability to split and generate new
                         dimensions. Thank you all for
                         coming to brainstorm.

                                   ALLISON
                         Whose turn is it to throw out an
                         idea this week for fixing the
                         multiverse?

                                   PEGGY
                         Uh -- Brown's up this week, right?

                                   DIANA
                             (checking a notepad)
                         Yes!

               The Maggies all groan with dismay. Rembrandt looks hurt.

                                   ALLISON
                         Why are we asking the soul singer
                         for scientific theories?

                                   ARTURO
                         Ms. Beckett, I am most disappointed
                         to witness such intellectual
                         elitism.

                                   MEG
                         Oh, look who's talking.

                                   ARTURO
                         Mr. Brown is an artistic spirit
                         with a creative mind.

                                   MAGS
                         He's only going to come up with
                         useless bullshit.

               Rembrandt looks longingly at the door to the boardroom.
               Arturo looks to Quinn for help, Quinn mouths something
               vaguely.

                                   ARTURO
                         Mr. Brown is also the only slider
                         in this room who didn't die; he has
                         seniority and it's his turn.

                                   LAUREL
                         Stop mentioning that you all died!
                         It's god-damn creepy!

               As Arturo nods agreeably, Rembrandt stands while Diana sits.

                                   REMBRANDT
                         Well, I was kinda taken with the
                         other Q-Ball's idea -- the one he
                         tried last year. You know, with the
                         doomsday clocks.

                                   WADE
                         Well, yeah. Quinn's always been
                         very smart.

               She smiles fondly at Quinn and Quinn can be seen flushing
               with pleasure.

                                   WADE (CONT'D)
                         Aside from ripping off an episode
                         of Doctor Who and nearly killing
                         everybody, the doomsday clock plan
                         did have the benefit of being one
                         that would work.

                                   LAUREL
                         I'm sure Rembrandt isn't suggesting
                         we go with Smarter Quinn's plan to
                         kill everybody -- and yes, I'm
                         calling him that, I went there,
                         it's fine.

               Everyone looks to Quinn to confirm this, he shrugs
               indifferently.

                                   REMBRANDT
                         Well, uh -- I know the big problem
                         is that we want to take out the
                         1995-limitation without taking out
                         the people living under it. I was
                         wondering if we could try doing
                         Smarter Quinn's plan after
                         everyone's died. Like, we could set
                         it on a timer.

                                   ALLISON
                         What?

                                   PEGGY
                         I don't understand anything you
                         just said. Is that word salad? Are
                         you having a stroke?

                                   DIANA
                         I believe what Rembrandt's asking
                         is this: is there the possibility
                         of employing Smarter Quinn's plan,
                         but making preparations so that the
                         collapse and replacement of our
                         reality takes place after the human
                         race has gone extinct?

                                   REMBRANDT
                         Yeah!

                                   QUINN
                         It'd be humane. It's sensible. It's
                         currently not feasible.

               Rembrandt's face falls.

                                   QUINN (CONT'D)
                         I said currently not feasible! The
                         problem is that there might not be
                         enough of a multiverse left to
                         rebuild at the endpoint -- but this
                         is an avenue we need to explore.

                                   ARTURO
                         Well done, Mr. Brown.

               Rembrandt nods, looking relieved. He takes a seat. Diana
               leafs through her notes.

                                   DIANA
                         I believe the Professor wished to
                         raise a concern?

                                   ARTURO
                         Thank you, Dr. Davis.

               The Professor stands.

                                   ARTURO (CONT'D)
                         My friends, I have been privileged
                         to see the convergence of ideas
                         over the past forty-three weeks.
                         However, I would be remiss if not
                         to advise that we begin
                         consideration of what is becoming
                         an uncomfortable truth.

                                   LAUREL
                         If this is going to be a long
                         speech, can I go to the bathroom
                         first?

                                   ARTURO
                         We may need to consider that there
                         is no way to remove the 1995
                         limitation without destroying this
                         present incarnation of reality.

                                   QUINN
                         Professor!

                                   ARTURO
                         We must consider how to confront
                         this situation.

               Quinn stands as well. Facing his teacher.

                                   QUINN
                         We are confronting it. We're going
                         to fix this.

                                   ARTURO
                         Mr. Mallory -- I believe that a
                         multiverse without the 1995
                         limitation is essentially a new
                         multiverse entirely -- one that
                         cannot co-exist with our own. They
                         would be mutually incompatible. One
                         would replace the other.

                                   QUINN
                         There's got to be some way to make
                         new universes form around the ones
                         we have right now --

                                   ARTURO
                         The notion is ridiculous.

                                   QUINN
                         Oh, come on. It happens all the
                         time!

               The Professor looks incredulous.

                                   ARTURO
                         What?! When?

               Quinn looks like he's struggling to think of something. His
               hands flail desperately, then --

                                   QUINN
                         It happens in Star Trek?

               Arturo glares at Quinn.

                                   ARTURO
                         Star. Trek?

                                   LAUREL
                         Oh, yeah! The 2008 movie! There was
                         a rebooted continuity, but the
                         novels and video games still take
                         place in the old timeline.

               Arturo looks to the Maggies, Wade and Rembrandt for help.
               Then he looks to Diana.

                                   DIANA
                         There are some contradictions
                         between novels and the games?
                         Specifically, Wesley Crusher, who --

                                   ARTURO
                         All right! So, in our search for
                         positive examples, we have a single
                         feature film --

                                   REMBRANDT
                         Well, hang on, Professor. The new
                         Terminator did the same thing.

                                   LAUREL
                         Did it? I thought that the Genisys
                         continuity replaced the Terminator
                         II timeline --

                                   DIANA
                         Yes, but the Guardian and the
                         version of Skynet in the film were
                         also from separate timelines,
                         suggesting co-existing timelines in
                         a quantity of at least --

                                   ARTURO
                             (roaring)
                         Will you people shut up?!

               He glares around the room at Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt, Laurel
               and Diana. When his glower hits the Maggies --

                                   BEX
                         Hey! I haven't even spoken yet!

                                   ARTURO
                         This conversation has degenerated
                         into a pointless discussion of
                         cultural trivia that has no bearing
                         whatsoever on our deliberations!

               Wade stands.

                                   WADE
                         What the Professor's saying is that
                         he's really happy with all the
                         great ideas that've come out of
                         this group.

                                   ARTURO
                         If we have assembled merely to
                         debate the merits of the latest
                         effort to exploit overexposed
                         copyrights, kindly be certain to
                         exclude me from any subsequent
                         concursions!

                                   WADE
                         The Professor's also impressed with
                         you, Remmy -- the whole idea to
                         blow up the multiverse after life
                         is done living in it? Really good.

                                   REMBRANDT
                         Hey, thanks, Professor!

                                   ARTURO
                         If none of you here have anything
                         further to contribute, then be so
                         good as to disperse and dispense
                         with any further pretense of
                         meaningful discourse!

                                   WADE
                         And now that we've come up with a
                         neat new angle to think on, we
                         should get some dinner, get some
                         sleep and get back to work
                         refreshed and recharged!

               Arturo turns towards Wade, his face red with fury. Wade
               smiles sweetly at him. Arturo storms out of the boardroom. At
               a distance, the sound of a slamming door can be heard.

                                   LAUREL
                         Dude just hates the new Terminator.

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Another note -- I have decided to take a break from this forum. I am experiencing a considerable amount of RAGE within two threads and I need some time to cool off. So, this isn't good bye, but I will see you all again after a sufficient interval of time. Rest assured that if you experience any technical difficulties, any odd glitches in the Bboard, any trouble at all with the software and web hosting -- TOUGH. I'm taking time off.

See you next week. Don't burn the place down while I'm away.

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250GB? That's pretty awesome. The little netbook on which I currently type this has a 64GB eMMC storage option. It's basically slow flash memory. But it's got the responsiveness and speedy startups that you describe on your SSD, although I'm sure yours is better. I use the eMMC drive for software and I keep all the files on a 128GB microSD card. Periodically, I move long-term storage files to an external 2TB hard drive.

On the computer front, I've had to make some choices. I am fed up with Adobe Flash; it's a security nightmare and a resource hog. I have uninstalled it from my computer. I have gone into Google Chrome and shut it down in the built-in plug-ins. It was kind of time consuming because I have multiple installs of Chrome on my computer; one for general browsing, one that's logged into all my social media and forum accounts and one that's logged into my business accounts and one that's logged into all my banking accounts. But it had to be done.

I also had to remove all PDF reader software from my computer. I don't know what the hell is up with Adobe Reader DC, but it took to opening PDFs for a split-second and then instantly closing. Foxit Reader, the light PDF reader I've recommended to people for years, has taken to throwing ads in my face. I would buy a paid version except it's also developed this hideous ALL CAPS INTERFACE. I still have to keep Adobe Acrobat X for editing PDFs now and then, but for a PDF reader -- I've just set my computer to open them all in Google Chrome.

I installed a new build of Android 5.1.1 on my phone today. It now has a built in blue-light filter for the evening! Very cool. And there are now notification toggles for creating a WiFi hotspot, which I think is darned handy. In contrast, Apple just released iOS 9.1 and I am still running iOS 8.1.3 on my iPad Mini 2 and I am not going to upgrade it. I haven't seen any articles declaring that iOS 9.1 slowed iPad Mini 2s down, but I just don't want to risk upgrading to a new OS when there's no option of downgrading if it doesn't work out.

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I've spent years never sure what the right pain medication is for my occasional aches and pains, alternating between buying jumbo bottles of Aspirin or Tylenol or Advil and losing track of which one works best for me. So, I've been buying small amounts for the last six months and keeping track of what worked or didn't for what. Tylenol seems really effective and relieving headaches; Aspirin helps a little and Advil seems to do nothing. Both Advil and Aspirin seem very effective for relieving body aches like soreness after a six hour hike. And I seem to need gelcaps; they seem more effective in smaller doses and Aspirin doesn't come in gel caps. I hope Quinn would approve of this sort of journalled over the counter drug experimentation to remove the need to decide which painkillers to buy in the future when shopping.

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New episode! "World Killer" and "O Brother Where Art Thou"!

Feedback of WHAT? Whatever your feedback is in this thread, it clearly hasn't any bearing on my story since you didn't bother finishing to read even one of the full-length scripts before telling me it was bad.

With the SLIDERS 2013 project, you told me that the scene where Malcolm tells Rembrandt the entire world history made no sense; Malcolm doesn't know Rembrandt's from a parallel Earth, he'd see no reason to impart generally known, common information. I rewrote it, moving Malcolm's exposition to the news snippets.

At one point, you told me I shouldn't try to work so closely with other posters who would never match my level of commitment and that I would always be disappointed. I switched to writing all the outlines myself but running them past consultants.

Withe the first draft of the REBORN outline, you said that characters often moved the story along through means that made no sense, such as the action sequences, Laurel being telepathic, etc.. Specific. Clear. Which made me think that I could count on you for reasoned criticism that would actually relate to my writing.

Instead, you read 18 per cent -- 18 per cent -- of SLIDERS REBORN and proceeded to tell me 100 per cent of it should be rewritten. I didn't realize it was such a stressful, overbearing, taxing requirement that people read the material before saying how it should be revised.

If some other poster read 1/5 of my writing and told me I should change the other 4/5, I would have shrugged it off, but I valued your opinion. I sent you outlines and scripts for this as early as 2014 and I seriously considered your advice and I thought we were friends. Apparently, not so much, since you don't feel you need to read the damned scripts before declaring that plots and characters need to be cut.

It's great that you've got so much time to type up your thoughts on SLIDERS REBORN but no time to actually read it first. Your criticism has been largely incomprehensible in that way critiques are when the critic is largely ignorant of the material: vague and inaccurate, irrelevant to the actual material (because you don't know the material) and utterly worthless.

Spare me -- and this thread -- anymore of your less-than-useless opinions on stories you haven't actually read.

RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

I felt what I read was substantial enough (an hour's worth of screen time if this were a movie) to provide the type of reactions one might solicit in audience testing, for instance. I really don't think he would try to solve every world problem on such a large (infinite) amount of earths but I don't think it matters a great deal to the overall story.

I just re-read "Reunion" and I see nothing that indicates Quinn is trying to save infinite numbers of Earths. Within the script, his attempts to improve situations are confined to his home Earth.

If Quinn Mallory being a force for good is something you find out of character -- that is so incomprehensible to me that I can't see you enjoying any of this project even if you get around to finishing it. I don't understand how that could possibly be a problem; I don't see how (or why) I could possibly address that. That is simply a non-starter for me.

"Killer cyborgs are silly," "Laurel brings about global collective consciousness is silly," "Try to find a more plausible way to get from point A to B" -- "You have crafted set pieces strung together by the flimsiest of machinations that make no sense," "Your continuity references are so thick I have no idea what you're referring to and I've seen the show enough for most" -- "I don't understand how the Season 5 Combine affected events in Season 1" -- those are criticisms from you and Matt and Christian that I can understand.

"Quinn Mallory should not be heroic" -- sorry. We have come to a parting of ways on this project.

You're free to like or dislike however much of REBORN you read, but at present, REBORN is 276 pages. You read 50 of them. I don't see how you can claim scenes need to be cut when you have no way of gauging whether or not they paid off at a later point; I don't see how you can declare Laurel Hills needs to be removed from the story when you don't really know what the story is. The fact that there is no telepathy or war games across San Francisco should tell you the scripts bear little resemblance to the outline I first sent you.

This is not the first time you have spoken badly of my writing. In the past, you have called my writing clumsy and poorly conceived and badly executed. Matt has also regularly noted serious errors and glaring discrepancies and logical failures in my writing. I was always happy to see that, because the criticisms were specific to the material and therefore very helpful as opposed to -- as opposed to whatever the hell this is supposed to be.

I don't see what you could possibly have to say about REBORN beyond the general impression that you're not really into it and probably won't finish it, which is the only fair or reasonable reaction I think any reader could have after reading 50 pages out of 276.

RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

I thought after putting in all that time to producing these pieces, the series deserved to be read and commented on by the dedicated members here.

I'm not troubled by a small readership for various reasons.

First, I never expected a PDF screenplay series sequel to a TV show cancelled in ignominy and disgrace 15 years previous to have a huge readership beyond the 15 - 20 people who have read it and sent me messages.

Second, I wrote REBORN because I wanted a twentieth anniversary special, and when NBCUniveral (correctly) declined to commission one, I made my own. It's something of a SLIDERS tradition that the fans have to make their own merchandise, their own collectibles, their own DVD cases, and now, their own anniversary special.

Third, because I was writing REBORN as a niche project, I wrote it as a sequel to Seasons 1- 5 with all continuity intact (or memories of the continuity intact, at least), meaning that the project is likely incomprehensible to anyone who didn't see all five seasons of the show.

Fourth, the PDF screenplay format is still lengthy and requires time and commitment and it's probably best enjoyed on an e-reader or a tablet and preferably one with a good-sized screen. This isn't something you can read on your phone.

Informant liked "Reunion." Cyrokin liked Parts 1- 4, as did intangirble. Martin Markov liked it. Nigel Mitchell liked it. Slan, Christian, i_am_scifi, James Clarkson, general_vulcan, Do De, "Erika," rootofunity, NeutroBlaster96, Hondoh, Aaron Orenstein, Omountains and noothername liked it. Slider_Quinn21 said he'd get back to me on it.

I once asked Nigel Mitchell why he published ebooks on Amazon to a small audience. He replied that their existence made him happy. That's good enough for me as well.

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RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

My feedback on Quinn's endeavor isn't terribly important but I would say I didn't buy that he would be worrying about condom drops in africa or free global wi-fi or stopping human traffickers.  Quinn never struck me in the show as overly idealistic or concerned with the plight of every human being where I believe he would take all that on. Wade maybe though, heh. I could see Quinn focusing his time on helping worlds obtain break-through technologies they didnt have before that help deal with the largest issues facing humanity. Like Malaria vaccines.

You've lost me on this one. Maybe we have different views of the character, but my vision of Quinn is that he is a moral and social crusader. A nomadic wanderer who battles injustice and is filled with compassion for the weak. He rallied the rebels in "Prince of Wails," he stood with the sick and dying in "Fever," he fought to restore the Constitution in "Time and Again World," he used Gillian but inspired her in "Gillian of the Spirits," he fought the effort to change education into commercials in "Young and Relentless."

Why wouldn't Quinn want the world to have global wifi? "Time and Again World" has him appalled at the idea that people could have knowledge and history withheld from them. "Young and the Relentless" had him believing in the power of education.

Once Quinn made it home in 2001, he had sliding. The power to transport any object to any location he chose. I think that a Quinn who would not be committed to using his power for the benefit of all is a Quinn who has no business being the star of this show. And why wouldn't Quinn be protecting our world? His mom lives here, man. His mom lives here!

The real question is why he hasn't done *more* -- addressed in "Revelation." (Sliding is broken.)

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"Reunion" starts with all the sliders separated and distant. The reason: I have two wishes for the sliders: to know that they made it home and that the 1995 series ended happily, and to see them sliding again. The two are mutually exclusive; sliding, while fun to watch for me, was hellish for them. So I started with 3/4 of the characters retired from sliding. The Laurel Hills character was a plotting necessity; her situation forces the sliders to reluctantly get the band back together and step back into the vortex. 

If you read only 50 pages, then you missed all of this.

There is no way, in my mind, that a Rembrandt in his 60s and an Arturo in his 70s would resume the kind of random sliding that drove the 1995 show. But random sliding is SLIDERS' storytelling engine, so that's where I needed them to end up. If a story requires characters to agree to something they very much don't want to do, the story must construct reasons and situations to justify it. Therefore, REBORN doesn't have the sliders back together until its final pages, and they only start sliding again on its last page. I had to earn it and Laurel was a plotting necessity to make that happen.

As for Quinn's situation -- I don't really know what you're talking about. I do not understand how to apply your comments to my scripts. But on that subject: REBORN has a serious problem at the outset; if Quinn has full control of sliding, then the character is vastly too powerful and impossible to write. However, if after 20 years, Quinn doesn't have full control, then he's incompetent. "Reunion" has Quinn saying he has to be careful with sliding, that he can't make waves, that caution is why he isn't saving the world with slide-tech, and the narrative clearly and unambiguously establishes that he is lying. It's stated outright in the dialogue. All is explained in "Revelation."

If you only read 50 pages, then you missed this as well.

In terms of patterns of feedback, the response to "Reunion" has been uniformly good, the response to "Reminiscence" has been good aside from one area of confusion (fixed). The response to "Revelation" has been more varied -- the main criticism is that the plot is extremely unwieldy and haphazard. Because it's presented entirely in terms of the sliders sitting around talking and the character voices are vivid, it's enjoyable and satisfying as an experience, but troubled and inconsistent as a work of science fiction. It doesn't explore the ideas enough; it's more interested in treating the SLIDERS like sitcom characters where listening to them talk is an end in itself.

Complaints have also been that some "Revelation" scenes are *extremely* long -- although given that REBORN is all about spending time with the characters again, 10 - 15 page scenes of the sliders chattering may not be excessive but instead going above and beyond in giving the readers their reunion.

I would say the most problematic aspect of "Revelation"'s plot is the universal key card that works as a credit card and key with any lock or banking system in any universe. That's ridiculous. At the same time -- Smarter-Quinn is a genius; I don't see how he could function interdimensionally without something like this universal key. I have no idea how it would work; I just know that it's something Smarter-Quinn would have.

The first half of the climax is a long, long, long speech from Smarter-Quinn delivering a massive infodump. But -- it's the voice of Smarter-Quinn, which, to me, is interesting because it's the voice of Smarter-Quinn and a darker pastiche of Jerry O'Connell. Your mileage may vary.

My personal dis-satisfaction with "Revelation" -- the world-building's fine, but there's not enough of the little incidental, minor details of alt-history that Tracy Torme always peppered into his scripts. Tracy's comedic voice is present in the characters; his sense of social satire is not as strongly in evidence.

The most critical complaint with "Revelation," in my view: while all the characters have lively and distinctive voices, Professor Arturo and Wade suffer from the overstuffed plot. While they both have lots of funny moments and neat things to say, they do not have personal goals that are fulfilled by the narrative and it's hard to say who they are as people based on SLIDERS REBORN. Arturo is the wise Professor, Wade is.................................................. funny. But all the characters are funny. I'm going to see if I can't give Wade a good finale in the final script.

I certainly don't think my work is perfect, but I feel like the flaws you point out aren't flaws as much as they are different choices. I chose A. You would choose B.

I hope you will not take this remark harshly given our long friendship, but I firmly believe that good, reasonable criticism is accompanied by specific examples and a proposed solution and not based on a mere 18.12 per cent of the existing material.

Sorry -- I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Whether you like Laurel or don't, I am completely baffled by how anyone could look at REBORN and say she needs to be removed from the story when the original sliders would not reunite if she were not present. I'm finding your criticisms about Quinn's work... unintelligible. I have no idea what you're trying to say.

I'm looking over our E-mails. You read the original outline, where Part 2 is composed entirely of action set-pieces where Maggie and Hurley are killer cyborgs that the sliders fight and Laurel manifests telepathic powers.

You told me that these story elements were implausible and unbelievable and advised that I find more grounded means of advancing through the story. The scripts for REBORN, as posted online, do not contain killer cyborgs or telepathic powers and there are only two fight scenes in Part 2, each one lasting less than a page and both confined to the first third.

You and Matt had a lot to say to me. I agreed with all the problems you guys raised, but I came up with my own solutions to addressing them. A reader in this thread raised problems as well that prompted a rewrite.

I have thought hard on your post and I cannot understand what you're saying at all -- which is so very odd, because I had no difficulty understanding your extremely negative reaction to the first REBORN outline and making changes.

I'm thinking maybe reading only 50 pages isn't enough to offer an opinion -- or at least not one that I can put to use in making revisions.

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Transmodiar wrote:

How would Quinn have time to develop and nurture sliding technology when they were constantly on the run? With the exception of The Weaker Sex, the timer gave them at most a week before moving on to the next port of call.

In my mind -- I think Season 3 should have started with "Double Cross" -- and with a different ending. An ending where the Professor assumes his dead double's identity and the sliders take over Prototronics and start using it as a home base.

They'd still be doing random sliding every week, but with the knowledge that the exit slide would take them back to Prototronics.

I feel like this would have been a nice way to keep the premise of the show -- but add a little incremental progress in the sliding technology so that it doesn't feel like Quinn, the 'genius,' accomplished nothing in two years.

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I don't disagree, of course. Two of my favourite moments for Rembrandt: his shotgun slinging in "Into the Mystic" and his intimidating the secretary in "Murder Most Foul."

I just think that there is more to being a hero than beating people up. Force and violence are easy. Fists and guns, knives and bombs -- I imagine that there are plenty of potential SLIDERS stories where Quinn would have to use such things. But I would never want to be the default-setting for Quinn. I would never measure a person's worth or competence by how many people he can hurt.

There are times in the series when Quinn's physical inabilities have been nonsensical, most notably in "El Sid" and "The Young and the Relentless." I get that Sid is tough, but it's ludicrous that Quinn is completely unable to defend himself. And Kyle Beck intimidating Quinn and withholding the timer when Quinn is muscled and toned and towers over Kyle -- absurd. I just don't think fighting is particularly interesting as a solution or resolution. Any TV hero can shoot a gun or punch a villain; it's a science hero who can think his way to victory and that's what makes Quinn great.

I'm not saying you can't have Quinn punch and kick and shoot his way out; I'm just saying it doesn't really speak to Quinn Mallory. It's generic. And I don't know how much more you can really showcase Quinn's physicality beyond "As Time Goes By" and "Double Cross."

I found myself thinking about this quite heavily when writing SLIDERS REBORN. Jerry is like Tom Cruise in the MISSION IMPOSSIBLE movies. Tom Cruise is jumping onto planes that are taking off, leaping off rooftops, diving out of skyscrapers, and I imagine Quinn being as superhuman if not moreso. But I found it more important, in the fight scenes here and there, to emphasize how Quinn is skillful rather than how Quinn is strong. When captured by two police officers, he slips out of his handcuffs, handcuffs one to a bikerack and knocks the other one unconscious and proceeds to steal their car -- but it's the police radio that's really useful because it helps him dodge the manhunt. That's how I see it -- the physicality is a component, but it's not the defining trait.

Note: Please don't feel obligated to consider REBORN as supporting evidence in our discussions.

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Personally, I think Quinn had gotten as action-oriented as he needed to in "As Time Goes By" and "Double Cross" in his multiple fight scenes and physical confrontations. But I don't really think that the willingness to fight or engage in hand to hand combat or gun battles is a sign of progression; the more meaningful growth would be to see Quinn use his intelligence to bypass the need to threaten or attack others. I think Quinn's maturity as the seasons passed should have been shown in higher levels of responsibility and ability -- not in fighting, but rather with sliding technology.

How would he use his knowledge and scientific skills to better the multiverse? To create interdimensional relationships between worlds? To take on larger-scale problems? I think, had Tracy Torme stayed on the show and brought in Marc Scott Zicree, there would have been more variants on the sliding technology: the slidewave, the slidecage, maybe the Combine and other aspects. "Into the Mystic" touched upon interdimensional economics; Zicree approached interdimensional politics.

I also think that part of Quinn's maturity would have been mentoring new characters; as the show progressed, I think new sliders should have been introduced with the originals serving as teachers to the next wave of sliders.

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Congratulations! I've never had that experience with an SSD replacement before. Probably because the hardware around the SSD was a bottleneck to any SSD advantages.

It's strange to me, however, that your computer was getting slower and slower. When my computers are slow down, the solution is generally a combo of defragmentation, reviewing the startup apps and cleaning out the internals. Of course, if a hard drive is breaking down due to wear over time, replacement is the only option.

I replaced the HDD once on my AMD laptop, putting in an SSD and boosting the RAM from 4GB to 8GB. The results weren't super-inspiring. On the HDD, the laptop was slow. Constantly stuttering and regularly unresponsive. It was the kind of laptop that couldn't play HD Netflix video (although it did fine with SD video). With the SSD and extra RAM, the laptop didn't freeze anymore. It was still slow in that programs took more seconds than I wanted to start and connect, but it didn't freeze up anymore. Still couldn't play Netflix HD, though.

This home theatre PC is still on an HDD. I'm interested in switching to SSD, but I'm still using the 500GB storage space and I'm not sure I can reduce to 128GB right now, which is about all I'm willing to pay for presently with SSDs.

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Oh God (or the manufacturers of SSDs, who are unto Gods). Please don't let this be Informant's last post.

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NDJ wrote:

I'm sorry that you think the guy you liken to Batman and Superman would kill someone- because I can't remember a time a superhero ever did that. I'm also sorry that you think it makes someone a bad person for not wanting to kill someone or would hesitate- even if the person deserves to die. Perhaps you forgot that I did mention that they did need to stop him. I know what I wrote, I know I meant; and I was not splitting hairs. If you want everything spelled out onscreen for you before you believe it, please remember that 29.7 years wasn't mentioned on screen until season 3. Clearly you want a fight and I am done giving you one.

You're sorry? You are indeed sorry. I am not sorry.

I am not sorry to tell you that there is NO SCENE in "Mother and Child" where the Kromagg telepathically removes knowledge of the anti-Kromagg virus. It is not in the script. First, you raised the telepathy as a possibility; now you declare it is a certainty. It is not. You just made that up.

I am not sorry to refuse to follow you in your tortured logic where I am somehow at fault for declining to take into account a scene that does not exist outside your imagination. Perhaps you have your own version of "Mother and Child" in your head; I am not obligated to review it, only the version that aired. At least 29.7 had a deleted script page; what have you got? Nothing whatsoever.

I am also extremely not sorry to declare that it is a moral tipping point for Quinn to be blissfully unconcerned with ALL THE PEOPLE Rickman will kill.

I'm not sorry to point out that you defending Quinn for refusing to let his friends go home in "The Exodus" is you declaring that  kidnapping and unlawful imprisonment is okay by you!

I never likened Quinn to Superman. As for Batman, he never needs to kill as demonstrated in an issue of DETECTIVE COMICS Batman put R'as Al Ghul in a mental hospital with faked paperwork to keep the man in a permanent coma.

Superman has superstrength/heat vision/invulnerability/flight/a fortress in the Arctic. Batman has infinite money and over 20 sidekicks and a limitless utility belt of plot convenient gadgets. Quinn had a god-damn TV remote. Of course Rickman should have been killed. If they didn't have the stomach to do it personally, they could have sent him to Earth Prime (where he'd suffocate) or send him back to the military settlement (where his own people would have executed him) or they could have stranded him on some wasteland world where the lack of fresh brain fluid would have seen him die.

Once again -- I am astonished that stopping murderers is any sort of moral conundrum for anyone with even a splinter of conscience, responsibility or concern for their fellow human being.

I congratulate you -- you've achieved three firsts in the SLIDERS community. Lots of posters have said that Quinn's arc across four seasons make sense because he's a bad person -- but you're the first to do that while expressing that you're totally cool with Quinn holding innocent people prisoner and letting murderers run free, and that your dream-journal version of "Mother and Child" is canon.

There are, sadly, people in this world who think it's okay to strip others of their freedom and self-determination. People who see injustice done and choose to turn a blind eye. And people who would rather fabricate scenes in TV episodes rather than admit their argument has some gaping holes. It's a defect of humanity to be concerned with only one's self and to be indifferent to the suffering of others. And to rationalize it, saying we'd all be twisted and mutilated by bad experiences and so too would Quinn.

We shouldn't do that to Quinn. We should not make the sliders more like us. We should be more like them. We should regard the unknown with curiosity and wonder and confront problems with knowledge, strategy and confidence in the power of ideas.

I suspect the reason most fans see no issue with tearing Quinn down is because few, if any, have ever regarded him an iconic superhero; they don't see the precious creation that is being destroyed. And that's fine. That's just a difference of opinion -- but this is the first time I've ever seen anyone declare that kidnapping and enabling of a serial killer is in any way sympathetic or morally defensible.

That's delusional, deranged and diseased -- and you demonstrate precisely why I object so strongly to rationalizing Quinn's Season 3 - 4 behaviour as in-character.

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NDJ wrote:

I have never and would never say Quinn was a bad person. I don't think being selfish (wanting to keep the people you love in your life), not wanting to go home (having the adventure end and having nothing to do but deal with your loss) and not wanting to catch his mentor's killer (not wanting to kill someone) makes him a bad person.

OF COURSE NOT WANTING TO KILL RICKMAN WOULD MAKE QUINN A BAD PERSON.

Rickman is a serial killer. He's travelling to worlds where no one knows of him and no one can be prepared for him. Every moment the sliders don't take him down is a moment where he's going to kill someone. So, yes -- the sliders not pursuing him or even considering giving up on tracking him down is indeed a moral crisis point -- Rickman's an interdimensional serial killer and they're the only ones who can follow him. If Quinn considers abandoning the pursuit for Rickman, then he is responsible for Rickman's subsequent victims -- every single one -- because he decided to quit trying to take this lunatic down. There is absolutely no moral quandary about killing Rickman -- he's an unrepentant murderer. That and having an English accent are his only character traits.

If you know that someone is a murderer and you decide it's not your problem and let them go off to kill more people, then yes, you are a bad person. The legalities are fuzzy; failure to report a crime is a misdemeanor in some states while a felony in states with mandatory reporting laws. But do the vagaries of the law absolve anyone from an incredibly obvious moral responsibility? Is this seriously up for debate? Is this even a question?

Failing to report a murder is wrong. Knowing in advance that someone will be murdered and declining to make efforts to prevent it is wrong. This is something I never thought I'd have to say on a SLIDERS message board.

And if Quinn knows that someone is going to be murdered and decides it's not his problem because he could hang out with Kyra, then YES, he is a bad person and I have been wasting my time with him.

My friend Val, when she was 12, discovered that this college guy she was friends with had been raping girls. Not her, of course -- she was a little too old for his tastes. Val proceeded to beat the rapist senseless with a toaster, locked him in a bathroom and fled for a police station. I have never been prouder of her. If she had shrugged it off and gone home to watch MY LITTLE PONY, she would have been responsible for every victim that man went on to rape.

Holy shit. I really never thought I'd have to have this discussion with anyone, anywhere, ever. Well. Thanks for that.

"The Exodus" makes no sense whatsoever no matter how you twist Quinn's character into knots. Let's say that Quinn has, for reasons that are incomprehensible, decided he's not going to let Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo get home. Arturo would have knocked Quinn unconscious or sat on him while Wade and Rembrandt tied him up, then they'd roll him into the vortex home. Furthermore, Rickman is, throughout the story, hostile and paranoid about the sliders because they threaten his command and his control of the situation; the story provides no motive for Rickman to want to keep the sliders around after they've found a suitable Earth as a settlement. Quinn's behaviour warps the entire story for no reason other than to have the other sliders get angry at him for contrived reasons.

NDJ wrote:
NDJ wrote:

Since the commander used his mind tricks on everybody at the facility, it’s not that big a stretch to think he used it on the sliders to make them forget about getting it for themselves (especially since he used mind control to hide a weapon during Quinn’s pat down).

First- I never said the Kromaggs wiped people's memory- I said they messed with people's minds. This is an established fact in the series-starting in season 2. What kind of show has to outline every little detail, every single time as if the viewer has no common sense?

"Wiping memories" / "messed with people's minds" -- hair-splitting. You declare that Kromagg telepathy must be why the sliders didn't try to secure the anti-Kromagg virus in "Mother and Child" -- there is absolutely nothing onscreen to support that assertion. It's not a piece of information subtly communicated; it's not hinted at -- it's not there. At all. The sliders are searching for a weapon to free their home Earth of Kromaggs. They found one in "Mother and Child." And then they leave it. The failure to address this in any fashion is not subtle storytelling that feels little details can be filled in by the viewer's common sense; this is a massive gaping hole in the story that renders the rest of the season incoherent.

There is no reason for the sliders to keep searching for the Kromagg Prime superweapon when a perfectly serviceable countermeasure exists on an Earth that's stored in the timer's coordinates. If the Kromagg erased the sliders' memories/messed with their minds, this absolutely has to be present onscreen or it leaves a glaringly unanswered question that undermines every story that follows.

Oh, and not to go off on a tangent, but if anyone reading this knows of any murderers out there or murders about to take place, CALL THE POLICE. If you don't, you are a horrible person and I will not want to write fanfics about you. Jesus.

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Regarding "Genesis" and "Mother and Child" -- I think Quinn and Rembrandt would have relentlessly hammered the Kromagg facilities with attacks on their computer systems until they had a trail on Wade. They would not have stopped until they died. As for the Kromaggs wiping the sliders' memories of the virus or the Slidecage equations not working -- I honestly think that once you're left with making up unwritten and unaired scenes to justify the story, it's pretty clear that the story is broken. As for Quinn being selfish, not in a hurry to go home or to catch his mentor's killer, being a bad person -- dear God.

WARNING: The following post contains ANGER because I am absolutely furious. However. Please be aware that my fury is directed towards someone's opinions and thoughts as opposed to the someone who is opining and thinking them. I mean, you can be pissed off with a person's opinion while still liking the person, right?

I get very upset -- I get incredibly angry -- when fans portray Quinn as a sociopathic monster. I'm not sure which one makes me angrier; the show doing this or the fans doing it afterwards -- Ian's blog of "Revelations" where he describes Quinn as a bad person who isn't worth your time infuriated me almost as much as the episode.

I'm also torqued about this because I asked a fellow fan, recently, if he had any opinion on whether Quinn and Wade might be a couple in 2015 and he responded with a response similar to what's above: declaring that Quinn Mallory is a piece of trash and of course Wade wouldn't want him. It pissed me off. I think what he really meant was that Wade wouldn't want to marry Jerry O'Connell.

The reason I get so upset: Quinn is an icon of genre fiction, an analytical science hero who can stand next to Mr. Spock, Sherlock Holmes, Dr. House, Spider-Man, Indiana Jones, Batman and the Fourth Doctor. He is one of the greatest fictional characters created in the twentieth century. Quinn Mallory is a superhero -- his superpower is his superbrain, his ability to improvise absurd and efficient solutions on-the-spot in moments of crisis. A character who is driven by tragedy and loss but emerges from his trials not only intact but renewed and inspired and possesses a revolutionary spirit and a sense of wanderlust and is guided by an impeccable sense of morality and compassion.

And he created sliding. You can do anything with this character, put him in any kind of story in any kind of role. He can be a bystander or a hero, a catalyst or a leading figure, a background element or an icon who inspires.

These efforts to declare that the Season 3 - 4 character is the same as the Season 1 - 2 character simply emphasize his character flaws -- his myopia, his impulsive nature, his recklessness -- but declare them to be the whole of his character, seeking to rationalize periods where the character was being written badly as explorations of his darker side, ultimately ending with the conclusion that Quinn is a selfish, hateful, uncaring villain.

This strikes me as astonishingly pointless in the extreme: attempting to rationalize poorly-considered screenwriting for a superb figure of science fiction by saying he was never a hero at all. You've justified Quinn's incoherent trajectory by replacing him with a completely different character.

If Quinn Mallory is so unworthy of our respect, if he is not a force for good, then SLIDERS is and always has been a pointless waste of time and so is this Bboard, the websites, the fanfics, the screenplays, the essays, the blogs and the reviews. Yet, many fans -- in fact, I would say most fans -- take this view of Quinn because it lets them maintain the in-universe perspective. NDJ. Ian McDuffie. Slider_Quinn21. Informant. I list their names not to demonize them, but to observe that I am in a minority (probably of one) when I express my distaste for their rationalizations.

From the in-character perspective, these rationalizations don't build Quinn up as a multifaceted character; they just take away what make him unique and powerful and immortal. In trying to insist that the post-Torme Quinn is the same character that Torme and Weiss created, all you end up doing is destroying what Torme and Weiss created.

And it just infuriates me. Because Quinn is one of the greatest science heroes of television. You can do anything with this character. He does not need to be a refugee from an advanced parallel Earth and a pivotal figure of an interdimensional war. He does not need to be a vengeful hunter pursuing a fugitive, he does not need to be a gunslinging warrior, he does not need to be a callous cowboy, he does not need to be paired up with a Baywatch babe, he does not need a convoluted origin story.

And he most definitely does not need to be a man who refuses to let his friends go home and isn't interested in bringing his mentor's killer to justice and is indifferent to his friend being raped and is unconcerned about everyone he knew back home being enslaved and murdered. None of that deepens the Quinn Mallory character at all. None of that touches upon what makes him special. That's just drug addiction, alcoholism, family tragedy and depression talking, most of it David Peckinpah's.

In fact, it's not even deliberate. All of that is entirely *accidental*, filmed and aired because the actor was hungover that day. Because the scripts weren't properly reviewed. Because rehearsals were slapdash. Because the writers saw screenwriting as something to do between Solitaire binges. (That's not an exaggeration.)

Quinn is a very simple character to use. All Quinn needs is to be put in crazy, bizarre, ludicrous situations of intense risk and danger to life and sanity and to come up with clever, on-the-spot solutions to save the day. That's it. That's all you have to do. If you are having trouble coming up with plausible ways for the characters to advance the plot, use Quinn's genius to fast-forward the process. That's what this character was built to do. He cuts through narrative like a knife cuts through butter.

There's also the fact that all of these efforts to demonize Quinn both onscreen and after the fact make no sense whatsoever. Because if Quinn were really selfish and lazy and uncaring, he would not be a slider. He would find some paradise world and retire. That's what Jerry O'Connell would do with sliding, and the constant inability of fans to distinguish between actor and character is absolutely maddening and infuriating for me. That's what I see here, in these rationalizations. In these attempts to explain the inexplicable. A conflation of actor and character.

In ireactions-world -- which you need not take seriously and where absolutely nobody but me lives -- there is Quinn Mallory as created by Torme and Weiss. And then there is a second role with the same name and actor but written with little thought and care by David Peckinpah, Bill Dial, Keith Damron, Steven Stoliar.

One is an icon of genre fiction, an analytical science hero. And the other is a character also played by Jerry O'Connell, an actor who has played many roles, including Woody Hoyt, Andrew Clemens, Charlie Corbone and Phil Ohlmyer.

Jerry O'Connell is not Quinn Mallory. Jerry is just the mask that Quinn wears.

In my mind, to argue that the Season 3 - 4 character is the same as Season 1 - 2 is the equivalent of claiming that Jerry's CROSSING JORDAN and CAMP WILDER characters are the same person as well, except this is far more destructive. And if these analyses serve only to tear Quinn down, then they're pointless and useless. Admittedly, I say this as someone trying to write Quinn and therefore have a vested interest in seeing the character as a going concern. Which, as a goal in itself, is completely insane, so feel free not to take any of this into account.

I have really, really, really tried -- on two separate occasions -- to rationalize S1-2 Quinn with S3  - 4 Quinn. When writing Quinn Mallory in stories, I have always left myself open to the possibility that the post-Torme characterization can be rationalized. When writing "Slide Effects," I wrote that Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo would witness the moment in "Mother and Child" where Rembrandt says they have to go find Wade and Jerry delivers, "I don't know if we have enough time" with absolutely no emotion.

I wrote in _______________ in the outline for Quinn's reaction. I decided: when actually scripting that scene, Quinn would say whatever came naturally. He could explain himself. He could justify himself. I left it up to the character. And when I got to that page of the script, Quinn's explanation was that the scenario was part of a Kromagg mental simulation and he was subconsciously aware that the events he was experiencing weren't real and that was the point where he no longer believed in the situations he was living. I didn't plan that. I put Quinn in that scene, and that was what he had to say for himself. When writing REBORN, I again put Quinn in the same situation and got largely the same answer; he didn't recognize what he was seeing. Wasn't him.

Again. This is just my personal opinion and you will, of course, note that this entire post is almost like I'm trying to defend Quinn as though he's a personal acquaintance. As though he's my loved and treasured friend. From reading this post, you might think that I have a relationship with Quinn in the way some people have relationships with Jesus. You'd be right.

They have recorded two new episodes, but there was an equipment failure and the sound is out of sync. They're trying to fix it as they edit their two tracks together.

I'm re-listening to the podcasts and really loving them. There's a hilarious screwup in the earlier episodes of Sliderscast where Jim keeps hesitating to introduce the Sliderscast, almost saying "Lanterncast." There's a joke where Dan and Jim pretend to have lost track of which episode they're reviewing due to the confused FOX running order -- on the original listen, this joke enraged me and I snarled at the boys for wasting my time like this. But now that I know them better, I laughed uncontrollably.

"The Weaker Sex" also has a hilarious moment where Dan declares, near the end of the podcast, that he did a great job with the episode summary at the beginning. Jim is about to agree and the protests -- *Jim* did the recap this week, not Dan. Dan replies by standing with his comments.

I meant eccentrically formal in that you sometimes wore what might be considered office-attire, but with some unusual colours or flourishes like a neck-scarf or a blazer with pipe-lining. Sorry to hear about the buzz cut.

If you and Quinn were spending more time together and he needed to get some new clothes, how would you have him dress these days? I get the sense he'd take the path of least resistance with clothes. Would you have him still in flannel and jeans? Or would you have him move on to the sporty shirts and sweaters and leather jackets that he favoured when the geographic spectrum stablizer had you all landing in LA? Or something else? Blazer and sweater-vest geek chic?

And how about the hair, hmm? The Quinn I've been working with has experienced a, shall we say, psychological reversion and he's back to wearing his hair the way he did when he was living a lonely life in his basement workshop and rarely remembered to get it cut. But the last I saw him, he was reunited with Wade again. Do you think you'd encourage him to get it trimmed back to the shorter length he had in LA?

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intangirble wrote:

I agree with ireactions about Quinn's depression, to a point. There are some very good points there, and I definitely thought he was out of character in late S3 and what I've seen of S4. That said, there's a difference, too, between how a person would face horror the first few times and how they face it after they've been traumatised over, and over, and over again.

The main problem is that all the points in the latter seasons where Quinn's behaviour is beneath contempt and hateful and repulsive are also points where the character work and story make no sense.

"The Exodus": Why exactly does Quinn refuse to let his friends go home? The script provides no explanation whatsoever -- and also offers no reasoning to establish that home is really home after the experience of "Post Traumatic Slide Syndrome."

"Slither": Why exactly does Quinn want to abandon sliding for Kyra when a) he is in pursuit of the Professor's killer and b) that killer has his home coordinates?

"Genesis": Why does Quinn have no interest in tracking down Wade, after three/four years of regularly getting separated from his friends and rescuing them from their captors? The same question must be asked of Rembrandt.

"O Brother Where Art Thou": Why is Quinn so insistent that Colin abandon his whole life to go sliding? The timer can store coordinates and open gateways to previously visited Earths; why does Quinn tear this person away from his life?

"Mother and Child": See "Genesis." Also: if there's a virus that can stop Kromaggs, why doesn't Quinn try to bring it to Earth Prime? Why doesn't Rembrandt?

"Revelation": Quinn has the means of bypassing the Slidecage. So why doesn't he open a gateway to his homeworld? Quinn asks his parents for the superweapon -- but he declares that Rembrandt will be returning to his home Earth without Quinn? Why doesn't Quinn care to accompany Rembrandt for this weapon Quinn wanted to look for in "Genesis"? Why is Rembrandt unaffected by this? Why does Rembrandt approach Isaac Clarke for the weapon instead of the Mallorys who built it? And even if this isn't Kromagg Prime, why aren't Quinn and Rembrandt interested in bringing this Earth's anti-Kromagg weapon to Earth Prime?

So, in every single case where Quinn's characterization takes a downward turn, the story around him is also incoherently nonsensical and illogical with glaring errors that make it impossible to work out what's supposed to be going on.

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Hunnh. I found that outline that a poster, KerrAvon (not sliders5125) wrote as a follow-up to Season 3's cliffhanger where Arturo stars in a sequel to "This Slide of Paradise"! But first:

There was one poster on this Bboard, awhile back -- his posts have most definitely been deleted from existence. Let's call him Jensen. Jensen declared that he was going to save SLIDERS because he had the magic words -- more specifically, Jensen had the magic numbers. Numbers that, in a specific sequence, formed Tracy Torme's phone number. He proclaimed that he would be contacting Torme to do something about a SLIDERS revival.

He followed up by posting his shocking, heartbreaking, tragic discovery that phoning Tracy Torme and telling him to revive SLIDERS wouldn't actually bring about that happy outcome as Torme doesn't control the rights to SLIDERS. (I think, as creator, he shares about 10 per cent with Robert K. Weiss.) Jensen, in the course of this phone call, attempted to pitch his ideas to Torme. Jensen told Torme that the best way to revive SLIDERS would be:

  • To do a new version of Season 4 set in 1998

  • To follow up on the Season 3 cliffhanger with a remake of the Kromagg Invasion of Earth and the sliders' search for a superweapon

  • Also explain why the Season 4 Kromaggs looked different from "Invasion" by saying the Season 4 Kromaggs were the foot soldiers

  • To have Wade return to Season 4 a quarter of the way in as a brainwashed villain for the rest of the season

  • To then reveal that the Earth in "Genesis" wasn't the Earth in the Pilot

  • To have a huge Kromagg War blowout to end the series.

Try to imagine Tracy sitting through this phone call.

Jensen proceeded to lament that Tracy seemed resistant to hearing anymore of these ideas and that it was a real shame and did anyone on this message board have an agent so they could properly pitch these ideas? Torme, said Jensen, declined to hear more without an agent involved. Jensen then declared that clearly, SLIDERS was on its way back and Torme was clearly keen to do some SLIDERS stories if only someone would please get Jensen an agent.

Message board posters had many questions for Jensen. Why did he want to have a 2014 revival of SLIDERS set in 1998? Why did he wish to explain plot holes in Season 4 if his story was designed to replace Season 4 with his own version? Why did he want to revive a series loved for its characters and make one of them an evil villain? How did he expect the 2014-era actors to play their 1998 characters? Why was his pitch for SLIDERS devoid of any ideas for parallel Earths? Why did he want Tracy Torme to write this story when Torme has not even seen Season 4 and couldn't write a Season 4 Kromagg war epic even if he were forced to? If he didn't have any interest in the characters or parallel Earths, why was he trying to revive SLIDERS?

At this point, the web host crashed and the conversation ended. Let's move on.

KerrAvon wrote:

some fanfic of my own as to how Seasson 4 should have been done:

Say they shitcan  the mysoginist, woman hating, pig Peckingpah and renew the contracts of JRD, Lloyd and Wuhrer...
Wade and Rembrandt land but they are not home: turns out that the world visited by Quinn and Maggie in EXODUS pt 1 was not the homeworld but Azure gate Bridge world (Hell, Quinn can't recognize the homeworld anyway, several times he's been mistaken)

They are debating whether to return to THIS SLIDE OF PARADISE world when they meet up with Autoro. Turns out that the one who slid in PTSS was indeed his evil double and it is he who is killed on Maggie's homeworld by Rickman.  Auturo has spent the last few months perfecting sliding and has constructed his own timer complete with wormhold tracking device. Quinn had put the Rickman timer in Rembrandt's pocket prior to shoving him and Wade into the Vortex and armed with the data they decide to return to vargas' compound. Auturo wants to check and double check before sliding and this takes a few weeks...

Finally, they are ready and they slide to the THIS SLIDE OF PARADISE hellhole world.  They reach Vargas' compund and find it in ruins.  The hybrids are all dead. they were killed off by simple diseases that they had no natural immunity for after all the exposure to Rickman and the other sliders.  Using the tracking device the sliders set out in search of Quinn  and Msggie.

The last three weeks Quinn and Maggie has been having some adventures of their own. They finally land on a world where Dr. Jensen is alive and well. Seems that on this world it is Maggie who was injured in the skiing accident and she is paralyzed. depressed she convinces our Maggie to help her end her life.  Maggie realizes her love for Stephen and decide to remain with him. Quinn begs her to stay with him but she refuses.

Heartbroken, Quinn prepares to slide but a vortex opens and the other three emerge. they have a tearful reunion. After much debate they have to make a decision: should they return to Azure Gate Bride World or continue searching for the homeworld?  They decide to continue the search....

This could have been handled in a 5-8 episode arc. Some episodes would be dedicated to Quinn and Maggie's adventures while some episode would be about the other three. Anyway just some thoughts, of what could have been...

Okay. I remember it being a lot longer -- but maybe what I mis-remembered (besides the poster) was the idea that this... outline... be executed over the course of eight episodes. I also mis-remembered the content; I thought there were scenes of Arturo fighting animal human hybrids. There aren't. I feel like this outline really tries to convert hammering the CTRL+Z on the keyboard into a logical sequence of events. It's trying to play fair.

It is also weirdly obsessed with continuity. I think there are three ways to use continuity. One is to seek to use continuity to try to make multiple stories feel like one big story by highlighting their connections and telling sequels. Another way is to feel the need to address previously established plot points individually in an effort to follow-up or reverse them. And then there's using continuity in an effort to create a sense of shared experience for both characters and the audience.

There is something completely derivative and unimaginative and crushingly dull about doing a sequel to "This Slide of Paradise" -- but that's not what this author is trying to do here, not really. This writer is, instead, seeking to confront the horror of that episode and expel it, leaving the sliders purified and renewed at the end of this exercise. And I kind of admire that. There's genuine interest and respect for the characters in this outline. There's a real desire to put the characters in difficult situations -- like being forced to wander through "This Slide of Paradise."

Anyway. Arturo is totally going to fight animal human hybrids in SLIDERS REBORN. I know it's crazy. I've been warned that this is not going to turn out well. But -- I really think I can pull this off AND make it feel like a Season 1/2 episode. And if I can't -- Tom and Cory will give a detailed account how it all went so horribly wrong in their podcast! :-D

Via Twitter, I just mocked Martin for constantly talking up DOORWAYS as some masterpiece.

However, in the middle of poking fun at him, it suddenly occurred to me that Martin is one of the few people to get SLIDERS any press lately, so I then recanted and encouraged him to talk up DOORWAYS forever.

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NDJ wrote:

I don’t think Quinn's characterization was too awful. It was after “The Guardian” that we really start seeing the shift. Real world answer is less Torme more Peckinpah. In universe answer is this is how Quinn deals with the impending death of Arturo- the knowledge of which he had to carry alone for quite some time. The death of a person you depend on has got to take its toll. Don't get me wrong, Quinn's change was too far, too fast

While many, many fans have tried to wrangle Jerry's performances and the clumsy characterization into some kind of logical arc, it's never made sense to me in an in-universe perspective. I don't think it ever will.

We've seen what Quinn Mallory is like when he's depressed and... well, it's not like late Season 3 or Season 4. I think Quinn, when depressed, actually hides it with efforts to ride the momentum of desperation. The Torme/Weiss Quinn faces the horror of discovering the Professor will die by trying to mentor his younger self. The Torme/Weiss Quinn reacts to Wade's apparent death by grimly accepting he'll have to carry on without her. And while losing Arturo would have been tough -- we *already* had an example of how Quinn reacted to losing his (real) father and it wasn't like "Slither." Which is not to in any way diminish how awful Quinn can and will feel -- I'm just saying that depression and grief are a little more subtle if this character is written correctly.

In real-life, Jerry O'Connell is super-charming and winning and endearing. In SLIDERS, the Jerry O'Connell megawatt smile is a falsehood. Jerry O'Connell is simply what Quinn allows you to see of him. I guess what I'm trying to say is that even a depressed Quinn puts on a pretty good show. The abrasive loon of late Season 3 and the emotionless weirdo of Season 4 aren't Quinn at all -- just the actor playing a different role that happens to have the same name.

So, what's your hair like these days? And why'd it suddenly go red in Year Three? And what was up with going from the eccentrically formal outfits to the leather jackets and LA model apparel? And how does Wade Welles dress today?

I thought I was obsessed with SLIDERS -- I mean, I can't stand Season 4 and I will be rewatching most of Season 4 in the weeks to come for REASONS -- but I've got nothing on this Martin guy and his obsession with DOORWAYS and his constant insistence that the show was awesome and SLIDERS ripped him off. It's really pathetic -- DOORWAYS is unwatchable. The only reason that Pilot isn't the worst hour of television ever made is because of "This Slide of Paradise," and even then, they're nearly tied. The is only one reason Martin constantly declares DOORWAYS to be a masterpiece -- he knows that barely anyone has ever seen it.

Good God, man -- move on. While I am ridiculously fixated on SLIDERS, I think it's pretty obvious that SLIDERS brings me a lot of joy as opposed to bitterness, recrimination and delusion.

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Tom and Cory remarked that there was nothing to Penny in "Common Ground." No characterization.

Ian McDuffie offered an intriguing thought in his review -- Penny is Wade. Or rather, Rembrandt looks at Penny and all he can see is what happened to Wade and is being done to Wade.

"Rembrandt's blind because he sees Wade in every face he sees. He’s looking for reasons to hate the ‘Maggs when he stalks those corridors, but he’s also looking for Wade. So when he meets Penny, a test subject with pep and strength and youth and a great haircut, all he sees is Wade. So he fights hard to save her, threatening himself, threatening the group, and sure, kind of threatening Penny, too. He’s doing it out of revenge, but also out of shame. He left Wade behind, he says, and there is honest pain in his eyes. But that pain is guiding his mission so fiercely that he can’t see the consequences of his actions. He accuses Quinn of wanting to abandon Rembrandt’s Earth (to which Quinn beautifully replies “it was my Home, too”), and goes on rage-benders trying to avenge every person ever who ever lived.

"Of course, it’s hard to actually see that without looking very, very hard. There’s subtlety in the script, but once it leaves the page it’s lost in an ugly miasma of overscored and overdirected nonsense. Every shot seems to last too long, like it’s waiting for a voiceover that will never come."

http://www.earthprime.com/roulette/we-c … mon-ground

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... so, in addition to watching GIRL MEETS WORLD and BEST FRIENDS WHENEVER, I am also watching LIV AND MADDIE.

LAURIE: "What the ****? That's for teenaged girls."
ME: "It's intriguing."
LAURIE: "Because it asks meaningful, relevant questions that all young girls grapple with, like the pressures of being a famous actress? Holy ****, they're really in tune with youth culture."
ME: "Yeah, but -- I mean, it's like -- like every episode of SLIDERS that ever had a double."
LAURIE: " ...... I've never seen that show. What're you talking about?"
ME: "It's like ORPHAN BLACK."
LAURIE: "Wait, what?! It has one actress playing a hundred different characters and having crazy amazing chemistry with herself?"
ME: " .... well, it's one actress playing two characters. And they have lots of scenes together... but usually through a body double or an obvious splitscreen effect. And there's not much chemistry between the two characters because they don't have the budget to do actual physical interaction with both their faces in frame... And to be honest, the actress doesn't really do a very good job of distinguishing between her two roles as the tomboy and the diva -- it takes like 10 episodes because she starts giving her diva persona a higher-pitched voice."
LAURIE: "Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait -- you watched TEN EPISODES of this?"

Anyway. I don't think SLIDERS would work on Disney.

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It should be said that Slider_Quinn21 didn't write this entire post in one go. It's actually a compilation of different things he's said over the years.

I still agree with 65 per cent of all of the above.

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Not that I put much stock in trying to iron out the contradictions of SLIDERS' latter years -- but Smarter-Quinn in "The Other Slide of Darkness" was clearly insane and nothing he said could be trusted or taken seriously.

And as obsessive as I am about SLIDERS, I can't offer any real explanation of how it works beyond (laboured) metaphors. Ireactions science is the worst manner of lie in fiction today, created through skimming Wikipedia and randomly choosing words and phrases, seeking to produce technobabble that is an impenetrable fog in the hope that nobody will even try to understand it.

Alright. I suppose that's clearly a decision.

**

INT. BEDROOM - NIGHT
Wade is asleep in bed, face down in the pillow. She reaches towards the other side of the bed, reaching for something that isn't there. She suddenly stiffens. Gradually drifts into wakefulness.

She rolls over and sits up to find Quinn sitting up in bed as well, staring straight ahead at the blank wall in front of their bed. Wade looks at the blank wall with confusion.

WADE: "Whuh -- where's our Olitski painting -- ?"
QUINN: "Under the bed. It was distracting me."

Wade rubs her eyes.

WADE: "Distracting you from... ?"
QUINN: "The problem of co-existing multiverses is, for all intents and purposes, a simple lack of correlation between quantum mechanics and the classical kinematics of opposing stationary and transitional systems. The Professor's wrong -- we can fix this -- we just need to determine a quantum kinematic description that doesn't require deterministic causal prediction."

Wade stares blankly at Quinn. Then she reaches for the night stand and grabs a volume sitting next to the lamp. It's a copy of QUANTUM MECHANICS FOR DUMMIES. She opens the book and flips to the index, then flips to the middle of the book. After reading a few passages --

WADE: "I don't think the Professor was saying you can't do it -- he was just saying you need to prepare for the possibility that -- "
QUINN: "We're sliders, for God's sake! We have no business saying determinism's the only acceptable outcome for configuration and momentum spaces!"

Wade is lost again. She flips back to the index of the book. Flips again to a section closer to the beginning. Her fingers trace over the pages --

WADE: "Well. Okay. But just because you're practicing fire safety doesn't mean you don't maintain extinguishers. I mean -- "
QUINN: "Wade -- just because relativity and quantum theory can't be incorporated into a single unified theory doesn't rule out the rigorous and repeated empirical evidence that they're both true. The other Quinn solved the equation by declaring that a paradox justified their mutual co-existence through -- "

Wade closes the book and whacks Quinn in the shoulder with it.

QUINN: "Ow!"

Wade gets up from the bed and heads towards the door. As she opens it --

WADE: "I feel like this isn't a conversation. I feel like you're just talking to yourself. I'm going back to my room, see you in the morning, I'll see if the Professor's awake and have him come here; clearly, that's who you'd rather be in bed with right now."
QUINN: "Ask him if he's considered looking at this from the perspective of a mesoscopic reality -- "

QUANTUM MECHANICS FOR DUMMIES is seen flying through the air. It hits Quinn in the chest.

CUT TO:

INT. HALLWAY - NIGHT

We see Laurel and Rembrandt standing on the stairs to the hall, both holding ice cream sundaes in hand. They're at the top of the stairs just as Wade comes out of Quinn's bedroom. Wade freezes for a moment, spotting Rembrandt and Laurel, then lets out a tired groan and turns away down the hall.

Quinn pokes his head out into the hallway.

QUINN: "Wade! Wait! I'm sorry! I'm sorry -- "
WADE: "You are sorry. Ugh. Good night."

Quinn turns to see Laurel smirking at him. Rembrandt looks carefully impassive.

LAUREL: "Blew it again, huh?"
QUINN: "I've got a lot on my mind -- "
LAUREL: "I'm starting to see why you haven't had a date since 1996."
QUINN: "That is not true! I've had dates since -- " (he suddenly pauses, performing mental calculations) "Oh my God. It is true!"

He looks at Laurel with alarm.

QUINN: "Wait! How do you know that?" (looking to Rembrandt) "How does she -- "

Laurel's smirk widens, Rembrandt looks apologetic. Quinn fumes at Rembrandt.

REMBRANDT: (gesturing at Laurel) "She made me, man! She made me!"
QUINN: "How did she make you!?"
REMBRANDT: "I asked her if she wanted to hear a great Q-Ball story! She said yes!"
LAUREL: "Dated your middle school teacher, huh? And then you dated yourself -- "
QUINN: (horrified) "I did not!" (beat) "It was the other way around."

Laurel begins to cackle with terrifying laughter as she proceeds down the hall, Rembrandt beginning to giggle as well as he follows.

REMBRANDT: "Let me tell you, Laurel -- there was this time he almost gave up on sliding for this lady snake charmer!"
LAUREL: "Oh my God, I have to hear this."

Quinn watches them go down the hall.

QUINN: (shouting after them) "That does not count! That was an altered timeline! I wasn't myself! Those were super-intelligent snakes! The Professor had been shot and blown up after getting his brain sucked out!"

Arturo comes down the hall, regarding Quinn and his remarks curiously.

ARTURO: "I begin to question the wisdom of us all residing within the same domicile."

**

I guess this was a long-winded way of saying thanks.