I'm going to say something controversial.

It doesn't matter if Marvel is panicking. They probably are, but I don't care. The important thing is whether or not Joe and Anthony Russo are panicking or if they are out to make a good movie. That's all that matters.

I'm sort of half-watching THE DEFENDERS while doing some design work.

The main problem: THE DEFENDERS is all about the machinations and grand plans of the Hand organization, and the creators clearly have no idea what this organization wants or why it does anything. It seems to me, just from an outside perspective: DAREDEVIL's Season 2 showrunners, Marco Ramirez and Doug Petrie, featured the Hand in their season and made them a mysterious and vague clan of evil ninjas with lots of ominous foreshadowing (references to the "Black Sky," a giant hole in Hell's Kitchen, disturbing resurrections) -- with the belief that someone else down the line would have to be the one to offer some explanations.

The imagery of ninjas and a vaguely Japanese aesthetic were viewed as sufficient definition, except the Hand even as originally created in the 1980s is based in exoticizing Japanese culture and history as ceremonially barbaric.

Then IRON FIST took hold of the Hand storyline, and didn't seem to know what to do with them either, at least not effectively. The Hand were presented as the enemy of Danny's people, of the mystical city of K'un Lun, except Danny seems as much an enemy to K'un Lun as the Hand in stealing the Iron Fist, and we can never see K'un Lun onscreen, so we have no idea why the Hand is opposed to them. The Hand is one mysterious organization defined by their opposition to another mysterious group, the city of K'un Lun. So again, due to the vagueness of K'un Lun, the Hand remained vague in Iron Fist. A distant ninja cult of different factions of unclear goals again.

Then the Hand returned to Ramirez and Petrie for their stewardship of THE DEFENDERS, and Ramirez and Petrie now had to come up with some answers for who the Hand were and what their goals were. Since IRON FIST's Harold Meachum had been ageless and immortal as the result of a deal with the Hand, they decided that the Hand's grand prize was immortality. And since IRON FIST had mentioned dragons a lot, they decided that the prize was acquired through a dragon corpse. They decided that the dragon corpse was holding up New York City and that the city would collapse if it were removed... but these 'answers' only created more issues.

The AVENGERS movie succeeded in convincing audiences that New York City was under threat from aliens thanks to New York City background plates and stock footage showing the metropolis under attack. But THE DEFENDERS never convinces us that Alexandra Weaver and Elektra and Madame Gao and others, wandering around corporate hallways and boardrooms, can actually destroy New York City. There is no visual connection between their conversations and digging and the idea that the NYC skyline will fall. There's no sense of urgency: it's never explained at what point in the ongoing extraction that the city will start sinking. THE DEFENDERS never makes it clear how close or far the city is from the end.

It also seems to me that extracting one dragon body is probably one of the smaller scale enterprises for a centuries old organization like the Hand where their immortal members have not been urgently waiting on fresh dragon corpses.

Looking at another shadowy organization of mysterious goals, the Syndicate on THE X-FILES: despite the common knowledge that its mythology was confused and improvised, I would say that it was coherent on a macro level even if, at the micro level, things got confused. The broad strokes: the aliens are the original inhabitants of Earth who left in the Ice Age, transformed into parasitical viruses that manifest as black oil, infected most sentient life in the universe, are planning to return to Earth to use humans as broodmares and (re)colonize the planet -- all that is pretty clear and an obvious criticism of Americans as colonists who destroyed Indigenous Peoples.

However, broadly, THE X-FILES knew what the Syndicate and the Colonists wanted and what the metaphors were (government corruption, Colonization, a select elite securing their own safety and security while the rest of humanity would be infected by Colonists who would rip apart each human host to birth their offspring). I do not feel Marco Ramirez and Doug Petrie even got the broad strokes worked out for the Hand.

The various rival factions of the Hand are confusing: it's never clear who's with whom. It's not clear why the Hand are so desperate for more immortality when they just spend their days having ponderous conversations. Is Madame Gao's ambition really to just limp around warehouses as hypnotized slaves package heroin? Alexandra's motive is because her immortality is failing, yet there is no panic or desperation in Sigourney Weaver's performance.

Yes, the Hand has no shortage of ninja henchmen and expensive real estate, but what are they doing with any of it? Ripping out dragon bones and incidentally destroying New York City seems like it's on the level of a working brunch for an organization of this scale, not the sum of their ambitions, except to see them onscreen, they seem to have very few ambitions.

What made Colonization on the X-Files compelling: it declared that Americans would soon be on the receiving end, from aliens, what European settlers had inflicted upon Indigenous peoples via the alien colonists.

What metaphor might there have been for the Hand?

To me, Daredevil's defining dialogue is when Fisk beats him into the ground, ranting, "This city doesn't deserve a better tomorrow! It deserves to drown in its own filth!"

Daredevil replies, "This is my city. My family."

So I think -- I would want the Hand to be the opposition of Daredevil's philosophy, where as far as they're concerned, New York City only exists for them as part of their machine. I guess, if we have to stick with the plot: all the industry and pollution (and nuclear waste?) of New York City has been deliberately guided by the Hand over the years to create chemical reactions to make the dragon body more volatile and powerful and, when extracted, it'll create an explosive chain reaction beneath the city.

The Hand leaders find merely walking on the streets of New York City to be intolerable and look forward to how after a few centuries, what was once the city will become a natural landscape. They both look down upon the common people while seeding their self-destruction. The Hand are hastening the reactions and sending their most expendable and devoted to create a pipeline that, upon extraction, will cause an underground collapse.

The Hand also offer the Defenders a deal to comply. Matt is offered the resurrection of his father. Luke is offered evacuation for his social circle in Harlem. Jessica is offered the chance to have her memories of Killgrave erased and to live without grief and pain. Danny is offered the chance to return to K'un Lun, resurrect everyone the Hand killed and rule it on their behalf.

I assume the they're all extremely tempted despite their consciences until Frank Castle shoots down every Hand representative, at which point Matt grudgingly thanks Castle.


MATT: "I was seriously about to cave, Frank."

FRANK: "I know you were, Red. You're only human. You going to have any issue with me taking out half the room?"

MATT: "This is some sort of death and resurrection cult, so... probably fine."

I finished Season 1 of THE PUNISHER, watched one episode of THE DEFENDERS and just stopped. DEFENDERS is so dull and I remember it being so tedious and boring that I can't get through it again.

In Season 1 of THE PUNISHER, a traumatized soldier turned bomber publicly threatens Karen Page. Frank Castle goes ballistic. "This piece of shit's going after Karen. Nobody goes after her! Not on my watch! Karen!" He proceeds to intervene, exposing himself after having faked his death, getting shot, nearly getting blown up, also being severely beaten just to rescue Karen and contain the bomber in a walk-in freezer.

His absence in Season 3 of DAREDEVIL where Fisk was gunning for Karen and she was hunted by both assassins and the FBI is bizarre... unless you assume he was slightly off camera, killing ten assassins for each one Karen evaded on camera.

So, the Punisher. I rewatched Seasons 1 - 2 of DAREDEVIL and Season 1 of THE PUNISHER and the entire conspiracy surrounding Frank Castle's family is near-unfathomable, and I say that as someone who can explain to you the Clone Saga, that thing where Frank got angelic powers, how DOCTOR WHO novels and audioplays and comics fit into the TV show and how AGENTS OF SHIELD fits with AVENGERS: ENDGAME.

The explanation appears to be:

Back in Afghanistan, Frank, Billy Russo, Colonel Schoonover, and William Rawlins were part of an off-the-books wetworks/assassination squad called Cerberus. Unknown to Frank, Cerberus was smuggling heroin back to the US inside the bodies of dead soldiers.

Rawlins saw Frank as a potential loose end or whistleblower and organized a complex Central Park gang war between the Kitchen Irish, Mexican Cartel, and the Dogs of Hell bikers with Colonel Schoonover using it as cover to assassinate Frank and his family.

Billy Russo was aware of it and wasn't personally involved in murdering Frank's family, but assisted in the coverup. The coverup also involved District Attorney Reyes from Season 2 of DAREDEVIL who pursued Frank's arrest and prosecution after he survived to contain the true reasons behind the conspiracy.

The sheer number of people involved in assassinating one target, Frank Castle, is just... ludicrous. If someone were trying to cover up a crime, this amount of contractors and labour and distraction is in fact extremely attention-grabbing. A covert plan that requires multiple military assets and three separate street gangs and the Distinct Attorney is not covert at all, especially when the DA turns Frank's court case in Season 2 of DAREDEVIL into what everyone describes as "the trial of the century".

There's also the fact that Frank Castle doesn't seem to even be aware that Cerberus was smuggling drugs. In Season 1, Frank considers Billy Russo a trusted friend and never even contemplates Russo being a traitor or a murderer or having anything to hide from Frank until Billy tries to shoot Frank in a stairwell. So what rationale did the Cerberus team have to think Frank was a threat to their secrets?

I do not understand this at all. I think the entire storyline defies understanding.

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As far as I can tell, Mohan Kapoor was accused of sexual harassment by someone over Twitter. There have been no charges filed. No proof was posted, not even the supposed photos he sent. Anyone can pretend to be anyone on Twitter. Anyone can say anything on Twitter. Just because someone tweets it doesn't mean it's true or that they're who they claim to be. I'm not saying that the accusation is true or that it's false; I'm just saying that 'posted on Twitter' is not 'verified and credible' in itself.

As for Yusuf Khan showing up, I think it made sense! They had a bank robbery story, they needed a civilian ally, and this character was effective.

Thanks for sharing this. I would like to say I'll listen to it soon... but I am really hypnotized by The Televised Podcast covering the first two seasons of BATWOMAN and the final season of SUPERGIRL right now! I will return to other podcasts after I finish this one.

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And from another thread:

RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

Newer and newer technologies give me hope that we will see our foursome gang together again, with some new material. At least we won't be solely reliant on the studio and the economic model. 

Happy 30th to something that has all given us comfort in what can be the difficult and often intriguing world we live in, with so many possibilities.

I see where this is going. Please do not use AI video generation to create new episodes of SLIDERS.

*shudders*

Wouldn't stop you, begging you not to.

I had the first season of DAREDEVIL on while doing some data entry and document organization work on Saturday, and I have to say, I highly recommend watching it.

I had the second season of DAREDEVIL on while doing the same work on Sunday, and I have to say, it's not terrible and not great, but it's worth getting through it (and THE DEFENDERS) to get to the superb Season 3.

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Thank you for sharing this, DarkTempTrez. I'm not on Twitter, but I wish everyone joy of it.

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There's a lot Democrats can do to resist Trump.
https://newrepublic.com/article/192962/ … d-congress

But none of it will happen if they keep capitulating to Trump like Chuck Schumer and John Fetterman refusing to filibuster. Or if they tune out and hide like James Carville Jr. Or if they focus on harassing transgender people the way Gavin Newsom is doing. Or if they spend their days calling people liars for discussing the fact of public record that Kamala Harris lost the election.

I should note: there's also some continuity confusion in the transition from Season 3 to BORN AGAIN: Fisk in Season 3 was totally defeated and jailed. In HAWKEYE, he's free and an active crime boss again. In ECHO, he's unsteady but still free. I delve more into the continuity here:

https://sliders.tv/bboard/viewtopic.php … 094#p17094

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I don't know if he's legally allowed to talk about it, but if he's looking at a court date, it could be foolish to discuss the case in public. It might be best to make his plea, accept whatever deal he's likely to get (community service and fines, I imagine) and make things right before speaking on it. It might even be best to see his therapist and work through it before taking it out to a public forum. I mean, I've been putting my mental health on display for all of you over the years and I think you and I would both agree that it's been terrifying.

So, the Punisher in DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN.

Frank's appearance is richly layered, laden with emotion and subtext, with Frank's worldview being an absurd belief in an eye for an eye while yet speaking fundamentally to Matt's grief and struggle to recapture who and what he used to be.

What's absurd: the Punisher's scene is a reshoot. Jon Bernthal was approached by the original producers of BORN AGAIN and he flat out refused. He only returned when the retooling with Dario Scardapane, a former PUNISHER producer, led to Bernthal being re-approached, this time with an offer of creative input as well as a PUNISHER Disney+ special that Bernthal will write.

https://ew.com/jon-bernthal-daredevil-r … e-11698647

I don't think anyone would be lost if they started with DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN... but why? I remember, as a kid, my father, for reasons I'll never understand, rented me BACK TO THE FUTURE II and THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK before BACK TO THE FUTURE and STAR WARS. I wasn't totally lost... but why do it?

Anyway, The first season of DAREDEVIL introduces Daredevil and the Kingpin. Season 2 introduces the Punisher. After that comes Season 1 of THE PUNISHER's solo series. Then comes THE DEFENDERS which features Daredevil and other Marvel Netflix heroes (Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Danny Rand) which has an ending that leads into Season 3 of DAREDEVIL.

While you can watch LUKE CAGE (two seasons), JESSICA JONES (three seasons) and IRON FIST (two seasons), the characters are introduced well enough in DEFENDERS. Also, LUKE CAGE and IRON FIST end on soft cliffhangers (no peril, just interesting new paths that weren't explored due to cancellation), but JESSICA JONES has an ending.

DAREDEVIL's third season and final season ends on a spectacular conclusion that teases future storylines but serves as a powerful and climactic finale to the entire Daredevil saga. Then there's second and final season of THE PUNISHER which is okay, and the Punisher is actually pretty key to what comes next.

DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN picks up on several years after DAREDEVIL's third season and does some interesting work, and also delves deeper into the Punisher and where he's gone since Season 2 of his show. All these aspects of the Netflix DAREDEVIL and THE PUNISHER shows have more resonance if you've seen them before watching BORN AGAIN.

But yeah, if you watched BORN AGAIN, you wouldn't be any more lost than I was watching BACK TO THE FUTURE II and THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK first... but why?

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Some will often brag about how pleased they are to see people rounded up and imprisoned as illegal immigrants. They don't seem to realize that mass incarceration isn't about safety or stopping criminals. It's about corporations that earn profit from each prisoner added to their headcount.
https://afsc.org/newsroom/ice-signs-mas … new-jersey

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I have been listening to Talkville, but I haven't been listening since the Season 5 finale rewatch because I got really into a Supergirl podcast, The Televised Podcast, and I am compelled to listen to all of it (it ended after Season 6 of SUPERGIRL) before getting back to anything else.

However, if the DUI had been discussed on Talkville, it would be all over Reddit and Bleeding Cool and every other news site that mines celebrity podcasts for clickbait. I haven't seen anything, so I think it's safe to assume Tom hasn't spoken on it.

... people screw up. Hopefully, he took his lumps, paid for what he did, and moved forward.

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Compassion isn't just allowed, it's essential.

Thank you for sharing this.

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I got suspicious when I got to Page 3 of their fanfic at the repeated use of "furrowed brow". I began doing a search for all the repetitive phrases and the sheer number of repetitive text made it pretty clear this was AI because a human, even if they were repetitive, wouldn't use the exact same sequence of adjectives and nouns in the exact same order every time, even if they kept using the same words. Furthermore, these specific phrasings, structures and vocabularies are highly characteristic of Gemini 2.0 Flash, the very same tool I had been using to rewrite that SCREAM fanfic. I recognized all the tics. I would not have been as adept at spotting AI generated text from a tool I don't use, like GPT 4o or Claude or whatnot.

They definitely got offended because they felt I was being condescending, and you know what? I'm going to accept your criticism and concede that I have some problems to work on.

But the offense was also because: my comments were exposing how they couldn't actually explain the writing choices made because they hadn't made them. The answer to each of my questions was: a language model made the choice due to statistical probably and data scraping.

Regardless, I thank you for your criticism of my faults and I bow to it. I need to do better.

I totally agree with everything you said. I can see why and how they ended up making the choices that they did, but it's created all the issues you describe. The decision to maintain the Netflix style of vague allusions to superheroes without naming them specifically has left DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN feel like a separate universe that's similar to the MCU but not actually the MCU, like SUPERMAN AND LOIS being adjacent to the Arrowverse.

My suspicion: cameos and such in the films may have been added in reshoots, given Kevin Feige's attitude of shaping film (and TV) narrative in post, with the process of commissioning scripts and teleplays, having production take over completely with no writer involvement, then having post-production and reshoots happen at which point Feige would become more involved.

However, for DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN, the post-production/reshoot resources were devoted to revising a lightweight legal drama to be closer to the grimdark Netflix series and to bring in Karen and Foggy while still having them absent for the bulk of the first run of episodes. This may have made it difficult to add more MCU connections... which is probably why it was foolish and absurd to have even attempted a Disnified-Daredevil in the first place given that they had to reshoot it and hammer it back into the Marvel Netflix mold.

I really agree that Anthony Mackie or someone should have been present in WANDAVISION, HAWKEYE, MOON KNIGHT, ECHO, MS. MARVEL, MOON KNIGHT, SECRET INVASION, AGATHA ALL ALONG, ANT-MAN III, THOR: LOVE AND THUNDER, SHANG-CHI, DR. STRANGE II, ECHO and AGATHA, and also present in DAREDEVIL. The shared universe feeling is severely lacking without that.

Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

That's why I wonder if they needed a Nick Fury for Phases 4-6.  Someone who could pop into these shows and movies and make it feel connected.  I think Sam Wilson makes a lot of sense to be that guy, trying to hold the Avengers together in some way.  But they could really use anyone.  I mean, heck, use Coulson.  Say that Tony brought him back with the Snap and now he's the new Fury.  I know that might upset Agents of Shield people but it is what it is.

Speaking as an AGENTS OF SHIELD person, I wouldn't be upset or offended by Agent Phil Coulson showing up and claiming that Tony Stark revived him with the second Snap and making no mention of the LMD from the end of AGENTS OF SHIELD. AGENTS OF SHIELD has been off the air for nearly five years. It's safe to imagine that SHIELD has, in five years, changed from how we last saw it in the series finale.

If Coulson were resurrected with the LMD version not referred to despite AGENTS OF SHIELD, Coulson's return would only offer proof of my personal belief: that Phil Coulson is one of the greatest superheroes of the 21st century, a figure of action and calm who will always return in our darkest hour and he will save us all.

It would demonstrate that Coulson's cool under fire, his steadiness in the face of magic books and Ghost Riders and killer robots and exploding Earths and impending death are significant and essential. Agent Coulson showing up isn't upsetting, it's validating. And I'd find some way to make the continuity work.

In fact, I would have found it very amusing if Coulson showed in in WANDAVISION and explained that Stark resurrected him. Followed by Coulson getting slashed in the chest in HAWKEYE to discover that under his skin is robotic hardware for a Life Model Decoy.

Followed by Coulson determining in MS. MARVEL that he wasn't resurrected and his LMD memories were altered to make him think he was the real Coulson.

Followed by THE MARVELS where Nick Fury explains to Coulson that he was resurrected but the trauma put him in a coma and Fury brought in Dr. Strange to tether Coulson's consciousness to the LMD copy and merged their memories so that Coulson could eventually get his real body back.

Followed by AGATHA where Agatha tells Coulson that magic doesn't work that way and he's obviously a robot whom Nick Fury found more controllable if he thought himself a man. Followed by AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY where Nick Fury tells Coulson that Agatha was messing with him and Nick will never try to 'control' Coulson because Coulson is so self-controlling that it's unnecessary.

Followed by AVENGERS: SECRET WARS where the real Coulson and the LMD meet each other and it's explained that every previous explanation is partially true and Coulson's consciousness has been split and must be recombined.

Or you could just have the real Coulson back in WANDAVISION and a digital comic explaining that the Snap merged the LMD and biological Coulson into one being. That's fine too.

I think it would be fine if Coulson and SHIELD came back and they weren't the same Coulson and SHIELD from the TV show. It's the nature of spies to reinvent themselves for every era, and if some parts of their history aren't acknowledged -- well, throughout history, spies have been honoured and spies have been hanged, but for the most part, spies have been ignored.

Yeah, I just watched Episode 3, and with all the reshoots and edits to move it closer to the Netflix series, we once again have a version of a DAREDEVIL show that seems to exist within a sub-universe of the MCU rather than the actual MCU.

Fisk's loathing for vigilantes and claiming they're an affront to the rule of law is nonsensical in a world where the Avengers were a government sanctioned team and Captain America is a guest of the president at the White House. The Avengers may have disbanded, but Fisk has no authority over SWORD or SHIELD. The absent MCU connections, as you say, make no sense: Matt's friends in the superhero community (aside from Spider-Man whom Matt wouldn't remember) would be far better equipped to guard witnesses than a retired police detective like Cherry. There has been no mention of the Snap aside from BORN AGAIN relying on HAWKEYE's vague explanation for how Fisk got out of jail. One has to wonder if the pre-reshoot version of Episodes 2 - 3 had more connections to the larger MCU.

Also, don't expect Matt to get back in the costume for several more weeks.

Setting all of that aside, Episode 3 is a reworked version of the original Episode 3 and obviously, any scene that mentions Foggy or features Vanessa Fisk as played by Ayelet Zurer was added after the original filming and editing of this episode. This is the show that Marvel hired Matt Corman and Chris Ord to write: a legal drama set in a courtroom, presumably with a darker edge added by Dario Scardapane's additions and subtractions.

And it's got a lot of strong moments, from Matt urging Hector to value a life without vigilantism to how Matt will disregard any rules or agreements to serve a client with whom he sympathizes. But... wouldn't this be a better story if Foggy and Karen were in it instead of Heather, Kirsten and Cherry? Wouldn't it be more effective if Foggy were the one observing that Matt is too close to the case and Karen were the one trying to sneak the witness to the courthouse?

This is clearly an inherited problem for Dario Scardapane, and it starts at the top with Feige nonsensically greenlighting a Charlie Cox DAREDEVIL project without Deborah Ann Woll and Elden Henson, nonsensically shooting six episodes without Foggy and Karen, and sensibly (and yet nonsensically) backtracking to rehire Deborah Ann Woll and Elden Henson while still being obligated to use some version of these already-shot six episodes.

I suspect that I'll be able to review every episode of DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN this way across Episodes 4, 5, 6 and 7. I remember, when reviewing HEROES REBORN, there came a point where I just started referring to a previous review for newer episodes becausae the previous review seemed to apply just as effectively to the current episode to the point where reviewing the show had become an exercise in completing a form letter. I suspect I'll feel the same way about BORN AGAIN for another month or so.

DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN is good, but it's struggling with a lot of issues that are not the fault of showrunner Dario Scardapane, but issues nonetheless. Spoilers.




















I've watched the first two episodes of DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN and what seems to have happened here: allegedly, the first six episodes were shot with Foggy killed offscreen in some explosion, Karen not mentioned at all, immediately dismissing the Netflix setup and switching to lightweight courtroom drama and goofy superhero comedy, while showing Fisk as Mayor of New York.

Why? What I've heard -- unsubstantiated -- is that Kevin Feige wanted a Charlie Cox series, but he wanted a lightweight and fun adventure, and wanted Daredevil without the angst of the Netflix show or the characters who added to the darkness. In addition, Henson and Woll would have, in returning to the show, been able to negotiate higher salaries that a newer cast couldn't demand.

It's been rumoured that Feige approved this version of the BORN AGAIN series from showrunners Matt Corman and Chris Ord, signed off on it, the first six episodes were filmed, Feige watched them and was horrified at how utterly unreleasable the series was. I'm not clear on what was wrong, but the rumours are that it started with Foggy dying off camera in an explosion and then shifted to non-traumatic courtroom antics.

Feige shuttered it when the writers' strike hit, planned to remount, and the BORN AGAIN series was now further mired in ridicule and mockery. It was already being criticized for not rehiring Deborah Ann Woll and Elden Henson, for dismissing the previous three seasons, and now it was being mocked for creating a fresh start only to produce something so bad that Feige didn't want to release it. It was a PR quagmire.

Feige hired former PUNISHER producer Dario Scardapane, who declared that Deborah Ann Woll and Elden Henson had to be rehired, full stop. Supposedly, Feige conceded that rehiring them would reverse the negative publicity surrounding the project and conceded it would have been cheaper to just hire them in the first place.

And in a more concrete area of fact: Feige and Scardapane both noted: due to the budget and production schedule, Marvel was in no position to simply throw out the six episodes filmed without the Karen and Foggy characters. Scenes could be reshot; sequences could be re-edited, but these six episodes with no Karen or Foggy had to be used.

Scardapane proceeded to rehire Deborah and Elden and shoot a new first episode where this time, Foggy dies onscreen instead of off-camera, and this time, Foggy dies in front of a terrified Karen at the hands of Bullseye whom Matt hunts down and beats into the ground and then throws off a four story building, executing him, only for Bullseye to... survive it.

(It is not explained how Bullseye survived being thrown off a four story building by Daredevil, but Season 3 of the Netflix show ended with him receiving a metal alloy being grafted to his skeleton that would make him superhumanly resilient.)

Scardapane then scripted the first episode to have Karen move to San Francisco in grief and frustration with how Matt went silent with her after Foggy's death and wasn't there for here, and when Matt regained his senses and finally reached out, Karen had decided to move, returning briefly only for two scenes to see Bullseye sentenced.

Scardapane's script then rebuilt a new version of the original plot with the Kingpin becoming Mayor of New York City (as opposed to already being mayor), and with the heavy context of (a) the history of the Netflix seasons now specific instead of vague and (b) Matt reeling from Foggy's death even as he's astonished by Fisk's return and rise to power.

This enabled Scardapane to (a) use the six filmed episodes, but reshot in parts and with new scenes added and all re-edited to be adopt a more serious tone and (b) account for how Foggy and Karen weren't in these six episodes, which were filmed without them, and which could not simply be discarded.

Karen will apparently be back once the six episodes are used up, and Foggy is apparently back in Season 2, despite his character being dead as of the Season 1 premiere. It is unclear if Foggy will be back as a regular or as a guest-star in flashbacks.

In the first episode, Karen feels like a token presence, appearing just to be thrown away. But the power of Deborah Ann Woll's performance is palpable. Elden Henson, one scene in a bar and one scene outside a bar, establishes himself as Matt Murdock's emotional tether to humanity and decency without which Matt risks becoming the self-destruction, suicidal force of rage and misanthropy he was in Season 3. The moment he takes a bullet in the chest and dies is the moment Matt Murdock starts to spiral.

When watched without the behind the scenes context, the way Karen and Foggy are dismissed seems tokenistic, having them appear just to get rid of them. When watched with the understanding of how much Dario Scardapane struggled just to get Deborah Ann Woll and Elden Henson in the show at all, and how he has to wrangle six episodes they're not in that he still has to use -- it's very clear how much Scardapane appreciates these characters.

There are some... continuity issues from poor Dario Scardapane inheriting a confusing setup. Originally, it wasn't really clear if the Netflix show was really in continuity with the MCU beyond rehiring Charlie Cox and Vincent D'Onofrio. Scardapane declared that the Netflix show was canon, period. That's splendid, but it creates some difficulties.

In Season 3 of the Netflix show, Fisk confessed to criminal conspiracy and was sent back to jail. He did so because Daredevil threatened to release evidence that Vanessa Fisk had ordered the death of Agent Ray Nadeem, which would send Vanessa to jail even if Fisk stayed free; Daredevil further threatened that should anything happen to Karen Page or Foggy Nelson, Matt would release the footage of Vanessa ordering Nadeem's murder.

In HAWKEYE, Fisk is walking free. It's unclear how he isn't in jail beyond a reference to the Thanos snap in INFINITY WAR. The audience is left to assume that key witnesses or investigators and evidence vanished during the Snap that eliminated 50 percent of all life in the universe, leading to Fisk's freedom, and he was able to ensure he remained that way even after the missing people were restored. It may be that Matt was one of the people erased, and the evidence was lost during his disappearance.

The uneasy truce is referred to in BORN AGAIN: Fisk tells Matt that he had nothing to do with Foggy's death, saying, "I kept my promise." And Fisk promised to stay in jail... unless the Snap led to circumstances where the authorities simply had to release him. Another very real possibility is that Captain America (or someone with his level of authority) freed Fisk because without someone in charge of organized crime, the body count would be higher without Fisk than with him.

I guess we can go with the idea of the Snap causing evidence and witnesses to be lost, but because the Netflix seasons are now definitively in continuity, it's very strange to go from Season 3 where Fisk is in jail to BORN AGAIN where Fisk is winning the New York City mayoral election in a landslide.

Given the lawless world we see, I see no plothole where the Fisk's criminal past is a liability in politics, but his freedom from jail is a peculiar continuity point that is never explained on camera.

BORN AGAIN is much closer in style to the Netflix show than HAWKEYE or SHE-HULK, but it creates another oddity: soon to be Mayor Fisk declares that he is a changed man and that he will not tolerate costumed vigilantes like Daredevil running around the city.

This is a bizarre comment in a world where Captain America, the Winter Soldier, the Hulk, She-Hulk, Hawkeye, Captain Marvel, Kamala Khan, Spider-Man and Thor are running around. Fisk, as mayor, has no jurisdiction over state and federally-backed superheroes, especially ones who work closely with the US Army and SWORD, even if SHIELD is currently a covert operation unknown to the public. Furthermore, any authority Fisk might have to curtail superheroes ceased when, following Endgame, the Sokovia Accords were repealed.

Fisk claiming he won't tolerate superheroes in his city might make sense in a world where Daredevil in Hell's Kitchen is one of the few superheroes around, but it makes little sense in the larger context of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. One has to assume he's referring to street-level superheroes only, and obviously, Dario Scardapane is mimicking how the Netflix show treated New York City like a little sub-universe where the Avengers are never seen, but now that DAREDEVIL is in a Disney+ show, that disconnect seems... well, disconnected. There is no larger reference to other superheroes in the Marvel Cinematic Universe so far.

Scardapane also makes an effort to do something unexpected in Matt and Fisk's first faceoff. Despite the massive enmity and hatred between them, Scardapane chooses to depict Matt and Fisk as frenemies rather than bitterly antagonistic. Fisk declares that he is genuinely changed by what happened in ECHO, that he is no longer the Kingpin, and truly seeking to serve his city.

Matt declares that he was raised to believe in redemption, but also in retribution should Fisk's change of heart prove false. This is a very interesting and not invalid turn from their previous savagery and loathing, and it's clear that after many years and Matt's breakdown over Foggy, Matt would welcome Fisk seeking redemption.

However, the seeming (but unsubstantiated) reason for the change: there were six episodes filmed with Fisk already Mayor of New York City with Matt having accepted it and not actively trying to bring Fisk down. When BORN AGAIN had a vague connection to the Netflix series, this might have been tolerable, but the presence of Karen and Foggy would make it bizarre that Matt wouldn't devote himself to destroying Fisk's mayoral term after their history of bloody opposition.

Note that in the Season 1 finale, Fisk savagely beat Matt while screaming, "I wanted to make this city something better than it is. Something beautiful. You took that away from me! You took everything! I'm going to kill you! This city doesn't deserve a better tomorrow. It deserves to drown in its filth! It deserves people like my father! People like you!"

Sardapane could revise and re-edit and shoot some new scenes, but he couldn't completely replace those six filmed episodes, so this enemies-to-frenemies adjustment was to justify why Matt won't kidnap and murder Fisk in a fit of rage during episodes 2 - 7, something Matt would have been angry enough to do in the Netflix show.

The situation is... difficult and Dario Scardapane is really struggling. It's astonishing that BORN AGAIN is tight, focused, emotional, or even coherent, given the circumstances.

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You're right that I was a bit careless with my use of the word "competent". The job of president is to run the country, and Trump is by definition incompetent because he can't do it. However, Trump isn't merely unable to run the country, but actively sabotaging its ability to function or work with other countries. For example, his threatened tariffs on Canada (hi) are going to destroy US access to Canadian metals for automotive production, fertilizer for farming, and electricity that powers US homes. Trump isn't just incompetent; he's actively malicious towards his people and immediately so.

I would say that Lex and Fisk have what I'd call an extended honeymoon period. All their lives, Lex and Fisk have wanted people to see them as generous, heroic, self-sacrificing, serving the common good, and acquiring power by difficult means in order to serve their people.

All their lives, Lex and Fisk have quietly and then overtly hated people for failing to see what simply isn't there. When acquiring political power, Lex and Fisk will declare to themselves and others that they will put their power to use for the good of all and they will. For awhile.

Invariably, Lex will fret and fume that Superman still gets more adulation than he does and start building supervillain armour and engaging in illegal orders out of sheer pettiness.

The Honorable Wilson Fisk, Mayor of New York City, loves his city and wants to protect it and do right by it. That's what he tells himself and he may even believe it; that's what he believed as the Kingpin, murdering and killing his way to control of the NYC underworld. Fisk will always act on his love for New York City... until it fails to love him back.

However, with Trump, there is no grace period. There is no honeymoon. There is simply a sick and twisted freak of privilege and ego and greed.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

So small spoilers for episode one of Daredevil.  Not a major spoiler or anything you wouldn't see coming from a mile away (and yes you're in the right place).

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So Fisk becomes mayor of NYC.  And the parallels to Trump are pretty aggressive.  It's a little upsetting to see, but here's the thing that I keep thinking:

I think Fisk is better than Trump.

Fisk is a literal murderer, but in scenes where it doesn't make sense for him to lie or put on a show, he talks about wanting to be better.  He talks about how much he loves the city.  Maybe he's doing it for money or power or whatever, but as mayor, he starts making improvements.  He doesn't appear to be sexist or racist or selling out the people for his personal gain. 

Fisk is a bad guy, but at least he's making an effort.  I haven't seen Trump make an effort once in a decade.  And we know a lot more about Fisk than we do about Trump.  I'm sure there are bodies that belong to Trump.  He almost certainly hasn't done it himself like Fisk would, but I'd be shocked if he hasn't had people killed. 

I used to think it was so silly that a comic book villain would be elected mayor or president.  President Lex Luthor seemed so ridiculous and over the top.  And here's the thing:

I think Lex Luthor is better than Trump.

Lex is a monster, but I do think he cares about humanity.  He wants things done his way, and he wants to be the guy that gets celebrated...but he occasionally will step up and fight with the heroes when he realizes what side he needs to be on.  Do you think Trump would do that?  I certainly don't.

In some ways, we live in the ridiculous world.

In terms of President Lex Luthor: he was pretty effective as president, resolving near-wars and conflicts with diplomacy, cleverness, technology and relentless support for metahumans and the Justice League, with Luthor leading the war effort in OUR WORLDS AT WAR against Imperiex and saving the Earth. (There was some question as to whether or not Luthor had prior knowledge of the attack, and he was cleared by telepathic scan, but it may have been rigged.)

In the end, Lex was defeated not because of his presidential performance -- he was excellent -- but because he couldn't let go of his obsession with Superman, made false claims that Superman was drawing a Kryptonite asteroid to Earth, and then put on a crazy supersuit to attack Superman and a variety of heroes, leading to Superman punching Lex out of the suit and out of the White House with Lex buried in charges of illegal orders and falsifying evidence to declare Superman an enemy of state.

The overall sense was that if Lex had focused on his job instead of his weird hatred for Superman, he probably would have served two terms in adulation instead of not even finishing one and crawling out in infamy.

The world has gotten so crazy that Luthor and Wilson Fisk seem like sensible options as leaders: compared to Trump, they're actually competent. However, we have to consider that they may not actually be better; they may simply hide their sociopathy better.

Lex Luthor is an egotistical narcissist who needs to act out his petty vendettas against anyone whom he feels has ever slighted him whether it's someone at a Smallville bake sale who was a little brusque or Superman himself. Regardless of how long Lex held it together as President of the United States, he would have snapped sooner or later whether in his duties or in his obsession with Superman.

Wilson Fisk is a career criminal who used crime to bolster his sense of weakness and insecurity that came with poverty and being uncultured; he once murdered a man for interrupting a date and making him feel awkward and started a gang war over this slight; he ordered numerous murders when creating his empire including Karen Page; he ordered allies murdered to frame Daredevil; he killed Ben Urich for investigating him; he ensured Agent Ray Nadeem went into debt by eliminating his sister in law's insurance coverage in order to make Nadeem's credit score prevent him from being promoted above Fisk's control; he steered Benjamin Poindexter into sociopathy by getting him fired from the FBI and murdered Poindexter's friend Julie Barnes to keep Poindexter pliable and unstable; he ordered Agent Ray Nadeem's death; he engineered the death of Maya Lopez' father to control her and kidnapped Maya's grandmother.

That's just some of what we know. It's a safe bet he's done more.

Maya's powers clearly affected Fisk's mind in some way at the end of ECHO.

MURDOCK:"I was raised to believe in grace. That we can be touched by the divine and be transformed. So if you say to me that you're a new man, I say fine. But you should know I was also raised to believe in retribution. So if you step out of line, I will be there."

FISK: "This caution that you're giving me. Who's it from?"

MURDOCK: "Just stay in your lane. I'll do the same."

FISK: "I'm going to be mayor of this town. And when I am, I will not tolerate people running around in silly costumes. The rule of law will prevail. And should you go back to any of your old activities, there will be consequences."

MURDOCK: "Well then. It appears we really do understand each other."

FISK: "I love a man who rises above his nature. Good luck with that, Murdock."

MURDOCK: "Good day, sir."

But whether or not Fisk is a changed man, whether or not he's pretending or whether or not he's fooled himself -- it's really irrelevant. We have to assume Fisk will, given enough time, turn on New York City and seek to destroy it, even if he convinces himself that he's serving it. And to prefer him over Trump is not really a moral judgement on anyone. They're both bad. But one is competent.

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On a slight tangent (as I still haven't seen episode 2 of DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN): earlier, someone claimed that transgender women in sports is an issue because people who were born men have physical advantages over women. However, a Salon article covering how Gavin Newsom has decried transgender women in sports notes:

The NCAA estimates that there are fewer than 10 transgender athletes out of 510,000 participants in college sports. While it’s more difficult to track the immense universe of high school sports, the numbers at that level are likely just as small. For example, of the 170,000 high school athletes in Michigan, only two are trans girls.

An International Olympic Committee study conducted at the University of Brighton in England and published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine found that trans women consistently performed worse than cisgender women in tests measuring lower body strength, lung function and handgrip strength. Furthermore, the differences in bone density were negligible.

https://www.salon.com/2025/03/09/democr … top-trump/

With this in mind, the fearmongering over transgender women in sports strikes me as bigotry and hate speech, seizing upon a small number of transgender athletes in sports to claim danger in order to justify a deeply engrained prejudice.

Episode 2: "Any Day Now"

The sliders arrive in a San Francisco dominated by the colossal, unfinished skeleton of a bridge stretching across the Pacific. This Trans-Pacific Unity Bridge is a 30 year project for a bridge to Asia. The Golden Gate Bridge is abandoned while this incomplete, decades-in-the-making bridge has consumed San Francisco's resources for a generation. Sections of the incomplete bridge keep detaching and collapsing. 

The prevailing cultural attitude is to be persistent and to shame anyone seen to abandon or give up on any pursuit or goal, which makes the sliders feel really weak, worthless and guilty about fleeing their homeworld.

Arturo, while leafing through a pamphlet about the bridge, determines that the bridge project is unworkable and always has been. His rant sees him reluctantly pulled into an anti-bridge fringe group seeking a spokesperson to argue that the bridge is a collective delusion and a waste of time and resources. Quinn, accompanying the Professor, determines the whole bridge project has been a scam since it started and finds the original lead engineer who knew the bridge was hopeless.

Meanwhile, Rembrandt and Wade, wandering the streets, spy a troupe of street singers whom Rembrandt eagerly joins. Rembrandt is engaged to perform at a celebration event for the start of the next construction wave for the bridge. Wade, accompanying Rembrandt through the pre-event setup, sees how people have devastated their livelihoods on business plans and investments in anticipation of the post-bridge economy, yet convince themselves that the completed bridge will cover all their losses.

At the concert, Rembrandt sings a song about lost dreams and moving on, and then the event organizers show a celebration video -- except Wade has replaced it with one provided by Quinn and Arturo where the original bridge engineer reveals that the bridge was never workable and is totally unachievable. The populace react with dismay and grief, and as the sliders leave the concert, they hear about a new project: an under-ocean tunnel from San Francisco to Asia, for which the city has great enthusiasm. The sliders groan and, exasperated, they slide out, having made their own peace with giving up and walking away.

I am excited beyond excited to watch DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN this week! Even if it isn't the greatest, I've missed Deborah Ann Woll so much. It'll be good to see her. Also, I saw through ECHO and I want a payoff.

I don't have time to write the full stories, but over time, I'm going to write short summaries for nine more episodes of a season of SLIDERS (2025) with a season finale.

I think, inevitably, the first season ends with the sliders going home to confront their problems, face their fears, address their issues, and they will live to regret it. (Haha!)

I got a comment on my outline:

I very much like what you have done here and it makes some sense. However it’s a little bit negative to me that none of them would have any family or friends that they loved enough to ever want to return back. Not sure what that says about our characters and I feel that makes them less compelling. Not sure I would route for loners that didn’t love any family or friends. These would be people that weren’t morally good enough to face their own problems but to me our sliders we watched were the most moral and that is partly why I loved them.

To continue to watch a show and route for people unwilling to face their own problems whilst they are our prism looking at other worlds problems and whilst they sometimes make a start to fix other worlds problems- well I don’t think I would route for them or feel or have an affinity with them enough. I love the start of what you have done but I feel that if they didn’t slide to the next world they would be ok with missing it and returning home.

Surely some of these worlds would be bad enough that doing some prison time or facing problems back home would be seen as an ok alternative. E.g. they go to a world with no penicillin or another with lottery euthanasia or one where nazis or nazi oligarchs are in charge and do nazi salutes on TV and blame countries that have been invaded in the oval Office for being invaded…. Also I assume they may be able to steal or make money in their travels to enable them to sort some of their problems when they return home.

Really Quin’s problems would be largely resolved when he returned home and explained what he had discovered and they looked into it. The USA would involve him in a secret operation to go to other worlds and eg find ones where we could exploit natural resources, find one that’s slightly in the future, obtain future tech etc etc. he would probably be able to solve all their problems by exploiting this tech he created.

I’d be ok with having the background problems you mentioned forcing them to feel the need to slide once or twice but with the twist that this led to them requiring to jump before the timer said. After a couple of episodes they discuss it and agree to return home but before doing so they are in imminent serious danger and jump.

The jump starts the timer and means that unless they jump they will be stuck indefinitely. There would then be an irony that they wanted to escape their earth only to find other earths were worse. And that when they did wish to return home and face their problems they realise they couldn’t and were now set on jumping through the multiverse one parallel world to another. And they still wanted to get home despite all the problems they will face.

Also on a side note I would definitely have them miss a slide once after a few years and have them have to invent sliding again. Montages etc. thankfully they were on an advanced world etc. problem is though that they don’t have coordinates home….but they can go back to that earth as a base whilst they scout other worlds.

My response:

I know that American TV has taught us that heroes should always fight the good fight and stick with their ongoing challenges. But I think that heroism has limits, perseverance has a threshold at which it becomes untenable, people have the right to recognize when a situation is unworkable and choose to walk away. We should not apply a moral judgement to someone choosing to disengage from a situation that is no longer working and where they do not have dependents.

Wade is looking at jail for standing up for civil rights; Arturo is being sued for exposing higher education as a debt trap; Rembrandt's poverty is a societal failure and not Rembrandt's own doing; Quinn is being hunted for stealing medicine to try to keep his mother alive.

These are real life issues: protest should be a civil liberty in a democracy that is often systemically shifted into a criminal offense; education is all too often a scam to create financial servitude to creditors; poor people are a failure of society and not the people; and I've read horrible stories of people being denied life-saving dialysis because they couldn't afford it.

These problems are problems of a deeply troubled society as opposed to personal failings or bad choices on the part of the person facing them, and as I read about these things happening in real life, I wondered if Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo could be dealing with them and if they would even want to find a way back home.

I recognize that this is an inversion from what the show was when it was first filmed in 1994 and broadcast in 1995, and I understand that it may be unwanted and unwelcome. It's just the world I'm seeing outside my window.

There was a time when I thought poorly of people who cut their losses and ran. Now, I think anyone who wants to leave a bad situation should be empowered to do so.

The theme of SLIDERS (2025) is clearly: you have the right to walk away, to decide something isn't working, there should be no moral condemnation for retreat or withdrawal, and this 'never give up' mentality of American television is a delusion and a lie.

Thank you for listening to my TED Talk.

I think Episode 2 would probably need to start lightening the mood a little, and strike some balance between goofy comedy and misery-horror.

(Restaurant.)

REMBRANDT: "I cannot believe US greenbacks were thrown all over the streets of the last world. Like, why?"

ARTURO: "Inflationary crisis? A shift to digital currency? Regardless, we were all wise to stuff our pockets and bags and shirts and trousers."

QUINN: (examining the timer) "Good news, I've got the chronometer synced for the quantum gravimetric transvibrational respositioning process. We'll have a to-the-millisecond countdown of how long the timer needs to recharge using exotic matter in advance of the rift to keep us one step ahead of being dragged home to jail and jail and... all the other stuff we're running from that I won't say outright because it's awkward." 

REMBRANDT: "Sorry. The what process?" 

QUINN: "The quantum gravimetric transvibrational respositioning process. It's what makes interdimensional travel possible. I call it the QGTR manifold equation process for short."

REMBRANDT: "That's the short version!? Q-Ball, you need one word! Something can be a verb and an adjective."

QUINN: "I like the QGTR manifold equation process, it's a perfect name."

(The waiter approaches.)

WAITER: "Hi! Just give me two minutes for our menu to update and you can select your state and party preferences, then I'll be right with you. Half price sliders today no matter which side of the aisle!"

WADE: "What in the crazy... ?"

REMBRANDT: "Sliders! Sliding! Q-Ball, that's the name for your coronary grad school whatsit! Call it sliding!"

QUINN: "We're not calling it sliding! Professor! Tell him! It makes interdimensional travel sound like a park for little kids!"

ARTURO: (good-naturedly) "Now, Mr. Mallory, I find that 'sliding' has the benefit of being a mere two syllables and from my recent court struggles, I can tell you that brevity is an asset."

WADE: "And since we're sliding, we could call ourselves the sliDERS. Fits on a protest sign."

QUINN: "We are not naming quantum gravimetric transvibrational repositioning after a mini-hamburger!"

WADE: (very condescendingly) "Boy, sliding is making you cranky; let's get you some sliders and make you a happy slider."

ARTURO: (almost sadistically) "Sliding has spurred a craving; I find myself partial to the onion rings."

REMBRANDT: (happily) "And the go-to slider for a hungry slider is a slider with pickles and a touch of that ol' bacon."

WADE: "I'll go for the vegetarian slider which is the perfect slider for a vegetarian slider."

QUINN: (bleakly) "I can see that this is going to stick."

(Later)

(Quinn sits quietly on the floor of the hotel room.)

(Rembrandt sits next to him.)

REMBRANDT: "You got a grudge against chairs and sofas?"

QUINN: "I can't... "

REMBRANDT: "Talk to me, man. We're all we got on this crazy ride."

QUINN: "All this money. This hotel room. Two days ago, I was mixing dialysis solutions for my mom because I couldn't pay for the real thing. I was sleeping on a tarp. And now... for lunch and this room, we spent enough cash to cover four sessions. Two weeks. I needed this money so badly and I couldn't get it and now I have it and my mom's gone and I just can't -- "

REMBRANDT: "I'm sorry, Q-Ball. I've had rough times too. I spent a month living out of my car last year."

QUINN: "Sounds humbling."

REMBRANDT: "It was the Ritz compared to how, this month, I was on the verge of living in a tent. But Quinn, you doing well now doesn't mean you weren't doing your best before. These worlds are crazy. And in all the crazy, d'you really think your mom would be upset for you staying warm and eating well?"

QUINN: "No."

REMBRANDT: "'Course not. She'd be proud of you for surviving."

QUINN: "Would your mother be proud of you?"

REMBRANDT: "Heck, no. She'd take it as a personal insult. Momma Brown was one petty meanie. Your mom wasn't like that."

QUINN: "You never knew my mom."

REMBRANDT: "I know you."

Slider_Quinn21 wrote:
Grizzlor wrote:

Agatha was entertaining, but as usual, too short.  Just as you're getting into it, cliffhanger ending.  Very frustrating.

Interesting, you didn't feel like it was a completed first season?  There's certainly more to the story but I didn't feel like it cut off in the middle of a season.  I would expect this story to either get picked up in a second season of Agatha or maybe something like the Vision show or Young Avengers.

Like Grizzlor, I too felt that AGATHA ALL ALONG seemed to cut off abruptly with the search for Tommy. That said, my expectation (although I don't know it for a fact) is that this plot will continue in VISIONQUEST.

A terrific, eerie and disturbing show, and I loved how AGATHA refuses to make Agatha in any way redeemable or sympathetic.

In both outlines for the 2019 pilot and the 2025 pilot, Quinn's mother passes away, but the context is very different.

In the 2019 outline, Wade and Arturo pass by Quinn's office at the accounting firm and neither are happy to see him.

WADE: "You!"

ARTURO: "You!"

QUINN: "What?"

WADE: "You're asking me what? You walked out on our marriage! I woke up one morning and on your pillow was a cashier's check and the paperwork!"

QUINN: "You weren't happy, I gave you half of everything and left you alone!"

WADE: "What kind of heartless robot are you?"

ARTURO: "The unambitious kind! What are you doing here, Mr. Mallory!?"

QUINN: "Accounting... ?"

ARTURO: "The most talented graduate student in my class! The brightest of the already incandescent! And you had one failure -- your fanciful 'anti-gravity' -- and for that, you turn into a form filling automaton and throw away your potential!"

WADE: "And your marriage!"

QUINN: "I... it wasn't working! So I stopped! I -- "

(Quinn's phone rings. He picks up. He mumbles a response and hangs up, staring blankly into space.)

ARTURO: "What the  devil is the matter with you now?"

QUINN: "My mom had a heart attack. She's dead."

(There is a long, awkward silence.)

ARTURO: "But upon further consideration, Mr. Mallory, I may have been too hard on you."

WADE: "Yeah, it takes two to divorce. Quinn, I'm so sorry, let's drive you to... wherever you need us to drive you to."

ARTURO: "Indeed, indeed. We'll help."

This would lead to Quinn and Arturo and Wade cleaning out the old Mallory house after Quinn's mother has passed, and finding that the anti-gravity machine is a sliding machine.

But in the 2025 outline:

The plot has Quinn trying to recharge his mother's dialysis machine with a zero point battery that instead fries the San Francisco power grid, and rips a hole in reality. Quinn barely notices because his mother suddenly seizes and dies, just as Wade enters the basement of the foreclosed home where Quinn and his mother had been living with all the medical supplies Quinn stole to try to treat his mother while holding out for a transplant that never came. The rip in reality expands into a vortex, sucking in Quinn, Wade, and a passing car driven by Rembrandt (a rideshare driver) with Professor Arturo (Rembrandt's passenger).

On the next world, Quinn and Wade emerge from the vortex and then dodge Rembrandt's car as it flies out into a ditch. Quinn and Wade are relieved that Rembrandt and the Professor are okay as they extract them from the crashed car, the Professor is familiar with Quinn (a former student) and recognizes the vortex and Quinn is mute and in shock. Wade (a science student in this version) is explaining how Quinn's zero point battery opened what seems like an interdimensional gateway -- and then Rembrandt erupts in rage, yelling at Quinn for his carelessness, his recklessness.

REMBRANDT: "You are crazy! You knocked out power to the city! Your sci-fi sinkhole almost killed me! I almost died!"

(Quinn stares right through Rembrandt, blank.)

REMBRANDT: "What's wrong with you? Say something! Say -- "

WADE: "Stop it!"

REMBRANDT: "What?!"

WADE: "His mother just died! Stop it!"

REMBRANDT: "What... ?"

ARTURO: "Is there any chance, Ms. Welles, that Mr. Mallory's mother died peacefully many weeks or months ago surrounded by loved ones -- "

WADE: "She died two minutes ago will you shut up!"

(Quinn suddenly collapses to his knees in tears.)

REMBRANDT: "Oh, no! Kid! I'm so sorry. I love my momma too. No, not really, but oh, man. This is terrible. But no one's... hurt... no, I... "

ARTURO: "Give him some space, Mr. Brown."

(Quinn begins to weep as Wade rushes to his side.)

WADE: "Quinn. Quinn? Look at me."

QUINN: "I... couldn't make the battery work... "

WADE: "That doesn't matter -- "

QUINN: (holding up the timing mechanism) "It was all for nothing!" (screaming) "She lay there knowing I was going to fail! I couldn't power the machine! I couldn't help her! I let her die! She died knowing I was useless and worthless!"

(Wade wraps her arms around Quinn.)

WADE: "No! No! Sweetie, no. She died knowing you did everything you could. She died knowing -- that you loved her."

(Wade kisses Quinn on the forehead. Quinn cries, burying his face into Wade's shoulder.)

(Rembrandt stares at Quinn and Wade. Quinn looks up from Wade.)

QUINN: "I'm... " (through the tears) "Sorry about your car."

(Rembrandt lowers himself to sit next to Wade and Quinn and cautiously puts a hand on Quinn's shoulder.)

REMBRANDT: "It's just a car. I'm so sorry about your mom. So sorry. You're a good boy. You loved her. No way she didn't know that."

ARTURO: (looking off into the distance) "I'm going to take a look around. Stay here." (looking at Quinn briefly) "Take a moment, but we may not have many to spare." (preparing to set off) "We don't know where we are."

... this is a nightmare. We went from PARKS AND RECREATION to TRUE DETECTIVE.

I blame Slider_Quinn21 for this. He told me "SLIDERS writes itself" and I can't seem to look away.

One of my Sliders games: I have a reboot document that I update every few years, based on Temporal Flux's elevator pitch, and usually assuming that this reboot will use the original actors at their current ages.

1994 (TF)

Wade Welles is a dreamer who failed to find direction in life. Rembrandt Brown is a soul singer who failed to hang onto his 15 minutes of fame. Professor Arturo is a genius who failed to gain recognition for his brilliance. And Quinn Mallory is a grad student who just failed to create anti-gravity... but may have discovered something else instead. SLIDERS: a journey through what might have been and what could be. Sometimes, getting lost is the best way to be found.

Usually, it was just a matter of changing the sliders' professions.

2012

Wade Welles is a dreamer who failed to find direction outside of selling smartphones and laptops. Rembrandt Brown is a voice coach who failed to hang onto his 15 minutes of fame. Professor Arturo is a genius who failed to gain recognition and now writes science fiction novels. And Quinn Mallory is a lab technician who just failed to create anti-gravity, but may have discovered something else instead... SLIDERS: Sometimes, getting lost is the best way to be found.

2016

Wade Welles is a dreamer who failed to find direction outside of writing smartphone reviews. Rembrandt Brown is a music teacher who failed to hang onto his 15 minutes of fame. Professor Arturo is a genius who tutors desperate college kids after failing to keep his tenure. And Quinn Mallory is a mechanic who failed to create anti-gravity, but 20 years after giving up, he realizes that he may have discovered something else instead... SLIDERS: A journey through what if and what could be.

2019

Wade Welles is a dreamer who never got out of high school and now teaches students that she hates. Rembrandt Brown is a musician who never became a star and now runs a coffee bar he hates. Professor Arturo is a genius who never got the recognition he deserved and now writes high school study guides he hates. And Quinn Mallory is a divorced accountant who hates his job and never managed to create anti-gravity... but 25 years after giving up, he realizes he may have discovered something else instead... SLIDERS: A journey through what never was and what still could be.

Somehow, I have ended up here:

2025

Wade Welles is a college activist facing serious jail time after a protest turned violent. Rembrandt Brown is a musician on the verge of becoming homeless. Professor Arturo is a genius being sued into oblivion by the scam university he exposed. And Quinn Mallory is a physics grad student on the run from the law after stealing dialysis equipment to keep his mother alive. When Quinn attempts a zero point battery to charge his mother's machine, he blows out the San Francisco power grid, his mother dies, and then he discovers his failed battery has split open the very skin of reality and he has created something else instead... SLIDERS: sometimes, the only way forward is to leave it all behind.

My God. What have we done to this world?

What would SLIDERS be in 2025? I don't think the sliders, in 2025, would be lost in the multiverse and trying to find a way back home. I think the sliders in 2025 would be sliding out into the multiverse in a desperate attempt to escape home and never go back. They would be fleeing a nightmarish Earth: our own.

I don't believe that planet Earth in 2025, never mind America, is a place to which the sliders would want to return if they had the capacity to leave.

The original SLIDERS treated 1994 America as a troubled but ultimately utopian society. In the first episode, the American dollar is shown to be so available that an injured construction worker can receive some just by filing a lawsuit, Wade can turn down huge sales in favour of bigger sales later, and Quinn can create sliding from junkyard parts. In the Russian-ruled America of the parallel Earth, the Russians fear the American dollar bill, a potent symbol of resistance and revolution.

A few episodes in, the show became a bit more critical of the present, questioning society's obsession with professional sports and questioning the gender bias and questioning our attitudes to population growth. But it's merely saying that 1994 America is silly as opposed to dangerous or exploitative or evil. 1994 America is safe and comforting and stable and their home.

In 2025, I do not believe the sliders would see home as a utopia or even safe or stable. I believe that if the sliders could leave, they would hope to never come back.

What if... ?

Rembrandt Brown is a musician facing bankruptcy and homelessness. Professor Arturo is a genius being sued into oblivion after he exposed his university as one giant scam to put students in generational debt. Wade Welles a college activist is looking at jail time after attending a protest that turned violent. And Quinn Mallory is a physics student turned fugitive after stealing medical equipment and supplies to keep his mother on dialysis after their insurance ran out.

Quinn attempts to create a zero point battery to recharge his stolen dialysis machine. He blows out the San Francisco power grid and fails to provide the electricity, his mother dies and then Quinn discovers: his battery has split open the skin of reality in the basement of the abandoned and foreclosed house where he was trying to keep his mother alive.

Wade, a former classmate trying to bring Quinn some supplies, arrives in the basement. The gateway expands and yanks Quinn and Wade in along with a passing Rembrandt (driving a rideshare) and his passenger (Professor Arturo).

The new sliders land on a parallel where objective truth has been completely eroded. Misinformation and propaganda are rampant, and where society is fractured into warring factions based on competing narratives. The sliders pool their talents to create a timing mechanism to reopen the rift to take them home while exploring this dangerous world.

After an adventure and reopening the rift, the sliders return to their home Earth -- only to find the house surrounded by police pursuing Quinn and Wade. Meanwhile, Professor and Arturo are inundated with new voicemails from lawyers and creditors.

The sliders elect to reopen the vortex and escape to a parallel Earth rather than remain in the misbegotten situation that passes for home.

On the next Earth, Quinn and the Professor determine: Quinn's accident created a permanent tear in reality. The timer is linked to this rift back home. A rift that will pursue the sliders across all realities. The timer they've built can feed off the advance energies of that rift and create an alternate gateway a few minutes in advance of the rift. It can take the sliders to a new world in order to dodge the rift each time. The time between slides will sometimes be hours, sometimes days.

But if the sliders fail to slide, the rift will draw them back.

The sliders must continue to slide. For if they fail to slide, they'll be taken home, and home is the last place any of them ever want to be.

SLIDERS
2025

Sometimes, the only way forward is to leave it all behind.

Dear God. Is this really where we are? I think it might be.

Uh. I feel bad about this. Slider_Quinn21 once said that SLIDERS writes itself. This one... wrote itself.

Sorry.

Special thanks to Temporal Flux.

Very interesting article on how DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN was overhauled:
https://collider.com/daredevil-born-aga … -reshoots/

AGATHA ALL ALONG is such an impressive show that I find myself watching even the end titles and credits, which I normally skip. I am only on episode 7.

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I hope you're right.

I'll keep an eye out for the big stuff and post it here.

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Trump wants to be President for Life.
https://newrepublic.com/article/191848/ … -preparing

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Ginger Mint from Tetley's:
https://tetley.ca/products/soothe-tea

Echinacea and Elderberry from Traditional Medicinals:
https://www.traditionalmedicinals.com/p … rberry-tea

My ginseng tea is Uncle Bill's, a Canadian-grown brand, but this is what I saw in the US:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Prince-of-Pe … pe=REGULAR

I finished YOUR FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD SPIDER-MAN. It is a solid, very enjoyable season of a new show, and it really works as the third season of WHAT IF as it actually offers an interesting WHAT IF concept: what if Peter's mentor was a corrupt industrialist like Norman Osborn instead of a morally shaky industrialist like Tony Stark? It tells stories that could not be told in the main MCU continuity and leverages every point of uniqueness and exclusivity in this specific version of Spider-Man. It's both a WHAT IF and a mainstream depiction of Spider-Man.

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Twinings Lemon Ginger: A blend of citrus and spice.

Celestial Seasonings Bengal Spice: A spicy, sweet tea.

Echinacea and elderberry: For immune system boosting.

Ginseng and blueberry: For energy.

Ginger mint: Stimulating and soothing.

CAPTAIN AMERICA: BRAVE NEW WORLD was okay. If I'd seen it in summer 2024, I would have considered it okay. But in February 2025, it's simply inadequate. I posted why here.
https://sliders.tv/bboard/viewtopic.php … 058#p17058

That said, I've enjoyed most Marvel movies including the recent run, so one inadequate movie is not a big deal to me. It's probably a big deal to Kevin Feige, though, that the entire franchise seems to be spiraling from the lack of A-listers, the fallout of Jonathan Majors, the critical failure of SECRET INVASION, the box office failure of THE MARVELS and ETERNALS, etc.. And I liked THE MARVELS and ETERNALS a lot.

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On a slight tangent, because I wrote that adaptation of that SCREAM story, I got a message from a fanfic writer asking for a consult. It started badly and ended worse.

NORA: Can you read my novelization of the first season of the MTV SCREAM series? It’s not the best writing of mine, but it’s 100% way different than the show, but improved and better.

ME: (Receives file) Improved and better... ? I don't really understand why you're writing a novelization of a show you don't seem to like.

NORA: oh i love the show!!!!(: More details, more stuff added, fillers that weren’t filled in taken out. Only thing I didn’t like were fake tears when someone died. in the book, I added more details more in depth to her character. When will is killed, she just doesn’t stop and see, she screams to the top of her lungs. I’m going to write a separate part of emma’s voice over what she thinks feels etc

ME: Okay, I'm reading your novelization. The descriptions are very vivid. I think you mean vise like grip, not vice like.

NORA: Yeah there’s a lot of stuff in the show that didn’t make sense that i took out and replaced. you’ll see what I mean it’s hard to explain. imma fix that whole thing up. and exactly. I haven’t even finished episode 8 yet.  I don’t wanna make too many changes in the novel from the series like I wanna keep the story in the way it is but take out all stuff that doesn’t make sense and put new stuff in along with fillers that were not filled incause there was a lot of them and season one and the fact that I’m in the process of writing in the entire season and the book is pretty damn impressive

ME: I've read a few pages of your pilot novelization. It seems solid, but I will note: you're spending a lot of time describing how things look, as though describing a TV show. Prose isn't a visual medium, so it tends to be more effective if you focus on how it feels to experience and live in that scene as opposed to what it looks like to watch the scene.

NORA: That’s my idea for it is to make it look like you’re watching a show what you’re reading a novel because some people have a problem watching versus reading so this isn’t just for horror is also for people who have disabilities I can read better versus watching something or they have hearing aids. Because there are people out there who have a hard time hearing or watching something so I did it also for people who have disabilities

ME: Also, when you have two characters talking, it's important to put their dialogue in separate paragraphs. That way, the division between who's talking is clear.

NORA: That’s what I’m working on like I said I got a lot of cleaning up to do but it’s gonna take a bit but once the whole book is done I’m gonna have an editor completely added the entire book to clean it up and polish it. I’m gonna be doing something different I’m gonna be having a killer’s POV on how he tastes Clark and ties into the tree that are stabbing him because there’s just a lot of stuff that wasn’t filled in the show that I’m gonna fill in

ME: You call Brooke the queen bee of the school. Wasn't that Nina? Brooke was only referred to as queen bee after Nina's death in the TV show, and in this chapter of your novelization, Nina is still alive. 

NORA: Nina called her that’s her nickname. It’s all in the book. The pilot is 100% different in the novel

ME: The only reference I'm seeing to queen bee in the show's dialogue: Noah says Nina was the queen bee in episode 8. So Brooke isn't queen bee of the school until after Nina dies. Also, your book does not contain any reference to "queen bee" being Brooke's nickname. And I've read the four sections and you've sent me a prose adaptation of the pilot episode and, as far as I've read, the next three episodes of the TV show. But it's not "100% different." It does have a few extra scenes and details that seem arbitrarily altered.

NORA: Like i said, it’s not going to be 100% accurate, mainly flowing with the story with fresh takes on them. Everything is being edited and etc. Is there at least any pros that you like about us so far

ME: It reads really well. It's easy to tell what's happening. You call the Lakewood Slasher a "reaper." I'm not sure the Lakewood Slasher is really a reaper, which tends to be a description of the Grim Reaper.

NORA: yes i know this …. it’s something different

ME: The Brandon James mask is a face and the raincoat doesn't really fit the reaper cloak profile. The movie described the costume as a Father Death costume to excuse the ghost mask instead of a skull mask. But if you don't have a skull mask or a reaper's robes, your killer can't be described as a reaper.

NORA: Ik. like i said, wanted to do something different.

ME: But you use an image of the Lakewood Slasher on your book cover and that's not a reaper. Also, why are you changing the most popular girl from Nina to Brooke, anyway?

NORA: i’m not ….im going by the story . like i said it’s a WORK in progress. gotta give me credit ….

ME: The TV plotline is pretty explicit that Nina was the most popular or notorious girl in school until she died, and only after that did Brooke become "queen bee". Why did you change it? The reason the story makes Nina more popular than Brooke: that way, when Nina dies, every character has a reaction, whether it's a main character or a guest star or an extra. So demoting Nina is confusing to me. What are you trying to accomplish?

NORA: Nina’s character wasn’t really explored so there was no need to. Couldn’t find no background on her, no reason why she was the way she was, what video files she had, nothing. Can’t just make something up that wouldn’t make sense to the readers.

ME: I still don't understand. Why did you change her popularity?

NORA: Because her character wasn’t explored

ME: I don't see how that corresponds to changing how popular she was.

Her role as the first victim whose death, due to her popularity, is a high profile, high attention event. I don't see how changing that helps the story. It seems really random.

NORA: Just went with how it goes

ME: But that isn't "how it goes". Look, I understand that sometimes, there are characters we don't like. Nina is not an easy character to like. She is unpleasant, hurtful, cruel. However, I think that, as writers, we should find some point of interest and something to care about for every character we write, even ones who irk us.

And when writing a novelization of a live action work, we should at minimum appreciate the function of the character, and in Nina's case, her popularity is the catalyst for the season arc: an extremely high profile murder. To alter her popularity doesn't serve the plot; it strikes me as you taking a passive-aggressive jab at a character you disliked by removing the only thing she had going for her, really, her popularity. To remove that undermines the storyline you're novelizing.

Also, your complaints about Nina... they betray a certain unfamiliarity with television. When adapting a TV story to prose, it's important to at least understand why the TV show was written the way it was, even if you didn't care for it.

TV characters don't always need a ton of backstory. Emma doesn't have a ton of backstory. TV characters are often about the actor's performance rather than in-depth details of their lives. In Nina's case, Bella Thorne's acting conveys everything about her: she has control issues, she's domineering, she treats everyone as a game piece to belittle and mock, and the set design of her home shows: she can get away with it because her family is wealthy. As we learn more about how she was blackmailing people in Season 1, it's clear that she didn't need the money; she just liked being in control.

Nina wasn't onscreen much because they only had actress Bella Thorne for two days of filming and also, the character dies in the first episode, so there wasn't much room to explore. TV is a very time limited medium. To criticize the lack of background is not a reasonable criticism of TV.

As someone writing the novelization, it's up to you to engage in the exploration, to create the background, to delve further... rather than to just declare there's nothing to write.

I'm also concerned that your comments indicate a certain dislike and contempt for the show. It makes me wonder why you are writing a novelization if you think so poorly of how it handled its characters, even a relatively small but critical one like Nina. I wonder if you are writing out of spite towards a TV show without understanding why it made certain choices, even if you disagree with them.

Changing Nina's popularity, making the Lakewood Slasher a "reaper" when he is not -- these are arbitrary changes that seem really random, and when choices in writing are made without purpose or intent, the product becomes haphazard. I think when we change something in an adaptation, there should be a clear reason beyond "that's just how it goes" or "I didn't like that character."

NORA: Dude…:i didn’t write nothing about nina cause I don’t like her, i didn’t write anything cause there’s nothing about her there ..i have nothing dislike any of the characters, there was just nothing there for me to fill in for her .

ME: If you feel that there is "nothing there", why are you subtracting what little there is, her popularity, from her and giving that role to Brooke? Nina dies at the beginning of the story, handing that role over to Brooke by default anyway, so saying Nina was never popular or notorious seems like a really arbitrary change. Unless this isn't a novelization, but an alternate universe?

NORA: wow….this is EPISODE BY EPISODE. Things have been changed. I’m sorry that it does not live up to your standards, but a lot of stuff is different and for you to bash someone’s work is not okay whatsoever

ME: I have no idea how "EPISODE BY EPISODE" pertains to randomly changing a character's social status when it's essential to the plot... and if "a lot of stuff is different", why is it a novelization? How is it "bashing" to ask you why your novelization is making the changes that you're making?

NORA: SHUT UP ABOUT MY WRITING 

ME: I noticed that 'your' writing keeps using the same phrases. "Brow furrowed" appears 53 times, "a voice laced with" appears 37 times, "his movements swift and deadly" appears 48 times. This and the text "You’re using 2.0 Flash Experimental" appearing at the start of Chapter 3 tells me this is AI generated text. The Wiki entry for Brooke calls her the "queen bee," but your AI has applied that term to her prematurely by using it before Nina's death. The Wiki entry for the Lakewood Slasher also refers to him as a "reaper," mistakenly so. I think your AI tool scraped those entries without spotting the mistakes. It seems to me that calling this writing a "fresh take" is a deflection over how your AI has made some errors.

NORA: I SPENT TWO YEARS WRITING THIS AND YOU ARE TRASHING IT

ME: You took two years to write this -- using AI -- and you're only seven episodes in? At a rate of novelizing 3.5 episodes a year, you're not going to be done with all 24 episodes of the show until 2030. When you started writing this two years ago, the show was eight years old. The show is now 10 years old. At your rate of completion, it will be 15 years old. Are we sure we can consider that "fresh"?

NORA: STOP SHITTING ON MY BOOK

ME: Are you sure it's your book? This is a novelization of a TV show. You didn't write the outline or any of the dialogue. And judging from the AI-generated prose, you also didn't write any of the descriptions. Why are you so offended by my comments about a story you didn't plot with dialogue you didn't script and descriptions you didn't write?

NORA: FUCK YOU AND FUCK OFF

(Nora has left the chat.)

Jesus. I can't believe I keep getting caught up in fanfic consultations that always end up like this one even without a phony and a fraud misrepresenting a machine's work as their own. What is wrong with me? Is it a cry for help? I am going to call my therapist.

Of 35 Marvel movies, I think I have only disliked three -- IRON MAN II (meandering tedium setting up future movies), CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER (where it feels like Cap only spent a week fighting in WWII) and CAPTAIN AMERICA: BRAVE NEW WORLD (bland product that seems especially out of touch in 2025). Unlike a lot of people, I loved ANT MAN III, ETERNALS, THE MARVELS, THOR: LOVE AND THUNDER and my dislike for recent Marvel product has been the blandness of THE FALCON series, the pointlessness of SECRET INVASION and the tedium of ECHO. Creatively, I think the recent run of movies has been terrific...

And yet, I concede that there has been a lack of headliners. In the earlier phases, the films were clear: these movies are about Iron Man, Thor and Captain America. Ever since ENDGAME, it's been unclear who the A-list is: the last THOR film was likely the last for awhile; Tony Stark is dead; Steve Rogers is retired; Spider-Man is A-list in the real world but a minor hero in the actual Marvel Cinematic Universe. Shang Chi, Dr. Strange, Ant Man and the second Black Panther are all more peripheral characters than the main stars. It's no longer clear which characters are the leads, especially with Sam Wilson seeming more like a passenger than a protagonist in his own TV show and his movie.

Maybe the hope was to do a post-A-list run of films, but the Marvel franchise, despite my fondness for almost all of it recently and historically, does seem to be in decline.

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I just realized I forgot to watch WEREWOLF BY NIGHT and AGATHA ALL ALONG which I will address post-haste.

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Those applications are very different from writing fiction. The reason AI fiction tends to be very poor: language models operate on pattern recognition and hard information. They don't actually understand emotion or how imagery and dialogue elicit a response; they only mimic the language of emotion and imagery and conversation. That's why AI struggles and fails to create descriptions that evoke and build themes, character arcs, atmosphere and pacing. They don't actually experience those things; they're just following common patterns of language. They can't make choices to create these aspects of story. As a result, all the choices in dialogue, jokes, descriptions and emotionality are random verbiage, even when directed otherwise. They can analyze it beautifully, but they can't produce it.

That's also why AI writing keeps emphasizing tone of voice and movement. These are quantifiable, tangible aspects of narrative as physical elements, as captured in language. AI doesn't experience and therefore doesn't understand character conflict, realization, revelation, grief, resolve or resolution. Its writing is always surface level description because its data exists in terms of surface level elements.

This lack of understanding will be a constant handicap because language models don't actually understand anything. It's simply a set of algorithms mimicking patterns in training data. It's not experiencing or learning or thinking. It's just creating text that presents the illusion of doing so.

AI is only ever about pattern replication and extrapolation. Storytelling is not about mimicking existing patterns, but rather about building on existing patterns to innovate and create new ones.

Future language models may be less repetitive, but the lack of actual understanding and experience remains a handicap no matter how many descriptive variations exist.

Sorry to hear about the spoilers. While I personally don't care about spoilers, a lot of people do and more importantly, Marvel has portrayed themselves as very concerned with spoilers: fake trailer shots, special effects as decoys, threatening Tom Holland... which makes their indifference for THUNDERBOLTS alarming. THUNDERBOLTS may be a lower budgeted project that doesn't have the money to do all the spoiler camouflaging, however, which may be why you're seeing things get spoiled that more expensive Marvel films would obscure.

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I finished ECHO. My God, that show was boring. Even at five episodes, Echo wanders around her hometown doing nothing much, and when the Kingpin appears, she reiterates that she is done with him... which she already conveyed exhaustively in HAWKEYE when she shot him in the face. What was the point of this show?

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I finished WHAT IF and I honestly found Season 3 to be weak and boring. With the exception of the two part finale, none of the episodes seemed to present vital or meaningful stories, and so many of them like a Shang Chi/Kate Bishop teamup or a Howard/Darcy relationship could have just been done in the main universe, despite some shifts in setting. I thought it was also very odd that Riri Williams, who only appeared in the BLACK PANTHER sequel, got a whole episode of focus; we barely know the prime Riri, so showing an alternate version isn't very meaningful.

I'm not sure what went wrong here, but I think it's best that the show take a break for now, even if it was good to see Peggy Carter back in action for two episodes.

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I just got back from CAPTAIN AMERICA: BRAVE NEW WORLD... and there honestly isn't a lot that's new and very little that's brave. It's basically a higher budgeted episode of THE FALCON AND THE WINTER SOLDIER and despite some flairs of excitement and some good jokes, it comes off as bland, empty product that, in its political leanings, is naively out of date and utterly out of touch.

Were Marvel movies always like this? Were they always nothing more than functional, passable spectacle if Robert Downey Jr. wasn't there to ad-lib? Were they always formulaic, vacant filler when fake feminist Joss Whedon wasn't there to punch up the scripts? It seems to me that Marvel movies are and always have been product, but sometimes, that product was elevated by vision, and when the director of a Marvel film is just executing the formula, it comes off as product.

I guess I have always thought of the Marvel movies as like instant ramen noodles. Instant ramen fine on its own, but instant ramen is vastly improved by visionaries adding in fresh vegetables, eggs, meat, and even possibly replacing the instant ramen itself with fresh noodles. Movies like the GUARDIANS trilogy, WINTER SOLDIER, RAGNAROK, ENDGAME and BLACK WIDOW replaced the ramen; movies like CIVIL WAR, CAPTAIN MARVEL, THE MARVELS, all the ANT MAN films added fresh ingredients. But CAPTAIN AMERICA: BRAVE NEW WORLD is just the ramen.

Also...

SPOILERS











I don't understand why they told this story of the Leader and Red Hulk and Thunderbolt Ross and Betty Ross in a CAPTAIN AMERICA film. These elements and this plot are all a Hulk story, except Mark Ruffalo doesn't appear in this film and Marvel doesn't have the distribution rights to do Hulk-titled films. What we have here is a Hulk storyline that for some reason features Sam Wilson instead of Bruce Banner at the center of it. It's very much a square peg in a round hole, much like TITANS trying to do an adaptation of UNDER THE RED HOOD but removing Bruce Wayne and using Dick Grayson because the rights for Dick were easier to acquire.

What is the point of making a Hulk storyline the center of a Captain America film? Captain America fans will be disappointed at not receiving a Cap story; Hulk fans will be disappointed that the Hulk isn't even in this film.

One would have hoped that Sam Wilson's feature film as Captain America would feature a story written for Sam instead of one that seems written for Bruce Banner but with Bruce removed and replaced with Sam for rights and legal reasons.

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So, CAPTAIN AMERICA: BRAVE NEW WORLD -- I've decided to put some of my thoughts in the political thread. This film was meant to come out in the summer of 2024, and maybe if would have been adequately adequate then. But the film presents a US president villain whose appetites for destruction, betrayal, disloyalty and war are all played as understandable flaws in an inherently good president as opposed to a deranged lust for power.

The film also declares that no one is above the law and even a US president who betrays his oath of office and his country will be held to account by his nation with Captain America serving the will of the a grateful executive branch when Captain America fights this president gone bad and brings him down.

That's simply not the world we live in, and CAPTAIN AMERICA: BRAVE NEW WORLD may have been fine if released in summer 2024, but released in February 2025, it's just not good enough. This is a vision of Captain America that is simply unacceptable to me at this time.

But I know that it was just an accident.

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A constant claim by Biden supporters, including Simon Rosenberg and others: the economy under Biden was great, and voters were mistaken to think that it was not.

However, this Politico article notes: unemployment rates discounted people who were underemployed. Median wage statistics tracked full time wages, not wages from underemployed, part-time workers. As a result, this created flattering numbers for the economy that did not reflect reality.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ … y-00203464

This seems like the sort of mistake an Uber executive running Democrat strategy would make.

I find this lines up with Bernie Sanders' view that Democrats, despite tax credits and supports for the middle class, had effectively abandoned the working class. They couldn't even see the working class or conflated them with the middle class.

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I used to think I was the second biggest fan of SLIDERS in the world (TF is obviously the first since he has a collection of props), but I have to bow to someone who would retrieve a CRT television from a trash heap to watch SLIDERS.

I admit, I would probably do the same if I had space for a CRT TV in my home, but I don't.

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ME: "As a fanfic author, I'd like to bring something to your attention."

EMMA: "Oh God."

ME: "What was the last thing you ate before you engaged in your current quest to take down a serial killer once and for all?"

EMMA: "Toast."

ME: "What was the last thing you drank?"

EMMA: "Coffee. One cup."

ME: "Are you aware that this one slice of toast and this one cup of coffee was 60 hours ago? And that you haven't eaten since then and you haven't had so much as a glass of water as you've run around Pennsylvania and Louisiana hunting the Lakewood Slasher?"

EMMA: "Wait, what?"

ME: "Also -- the last time you performed your ablutions, how long did you spend brushing your hair and applying makeup?"

EMMA: "Like ten minutes. Hey, what do you mean -- "

ME: "So: 60 hours ago, you combed your hair and applied makeup and you had one peace of toast and one cup of coffee; you then began searching for the Lakewood Slasher and dodged several attacks and fought him twice and during all this time, your 10 minutes of hair and skin care remains completely intact without a single touchup. You haven't eaten a single meal or drank any fluids in two and a half days, and yet, you haven't collapsed from hunger or dehydration. You haven not slept for 60 hours; you're as energetic as though you just woke up. You were in a car crash at the 45 hour mark and emerged with the full agility of an Olympic athlete and your hair and makeup have not changed. Have you even needed to go to the washroom since breakfast?"

EMMA: "No!"

ME: "And you're aware; you look like Willa Fitzgerald. You have almost no body fat to draw on for reserves, so the fact that you're in perfect fighting trim on no food or water or sleep and don't have a hair out of place -- well, it might suggest that your fanfic author is excusing you from certain human fragilities. And that your writer is more on your side than you think."

EMMA: "Okay, okay. But you realize: even if I never get tired, being awake for 60 hours of mayhem and violence has driven me pretty close to insane."

Speaking for myself: Episodes 2 - 9 of SLIDERS are so far gone that even a purist could not claim that the episodes in the condition that they exist in any way represent how those episodes looked on original broadcast. On a CRT television, those episodes looked sharp enough and clear enough; it's only on HDTVs that all the flaws become apartment. The other episodes of SLIDERS don't need AI upscaling or reconstruction. Using AI image generation to rebuild Episodes 2 - 9 would be reproducing an acceptable facsimile of something that otherwise does not exist. I personally would be fine with that.

When we look at the 4K AI version of TRUE LIES, it looks like a plastic abomination and an embarrassing mutilation of a film that exists in 1080p and looks just fine in 1080p. With those broken episodes of SLIDERS, there isn't really a good version to turn to, so why not rebuild it?

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So, awhile ago, there was a 2015 TV show called SCREAM on MTV, about a slasher hunting high school students, and a complex mythology. Inspired by the feature films, the TV series was less a comedic, metatextual take on horror movies and instead explored the anxieties and trauma of school shootings through the analogous fiction of a slasher killing teenagers (played by early twentysomething actors).

Despite a massive launch, MTV's inability to market shows effectively and two short seasons (only 24 episodes in total) and about 300,000 viewers by Season 2 meant SCREAM never really had much of a chance. The show was beautifully shot and wonderfully performed especially with standouts Willa Fitzgerald, Bex Taylor-Klaus, John Karna and the brilliant voice actor Mike Vaughn as the Lakewood Slasher.

The show ended on a pleasant note but with a lot of loose ends. Inexplicably, MTV renewed the show for a third season, but then fired the entire cast and crew and started a new storyline with new characters that had no connection to the first two years, and then found themselves with a 'third' season that was unmarketable: if aired as a third season, the viewers would wonder if this new storyline would be abandoned like the oriignal and not bother. MTV ended up not even airing this third season, selling the six episodes to an affiliate two years later that burned it off over three nights. 

Awhile ago, a YouTube vlogger who makes SCREAM commentary videos (footage of the films and TV show, his voiceover) declared he was writing a novel to wrap up the MTV SCREAM series, to be released in monthly chapters over his Patreon. After he finished this book, LAKEWOOD: A SCREAM STORY, I subscribed for a month and downloaded the whole ebook and... it is awful. Tenses jump from past to present. Commas and periods are missing. Names are mis-spelled. Characters do nonsensical things like knock on the door of the home in which they live instead of using their keys. At one point, a woman in a burning car decides to make a phone call rather than try to open the door and get out of the car. A police officer asks what he should do if he finds out the location of an active serial killer.

Out of curiosity, I tried putting this barely-readable volume through Google Gemini Flash 2.0, half-chapter by half-chapter to see what AI could do. AI could fix the tenses and punctuation and get them consistent and also spell characters' names the same way throughout. AI could even identify incredibly obvious errors like a woman knocking on the door to her own house. However, when it came to more complex issues, AI could be very hit and miss.

One impressive achievement for AI: the original novel had a sequence where a police detective learns that the serial killer broke into the police station and marked an abandoned train station on a map with a knife. For some reason, our detective in charge sends two uniforms to poke around instead of having the entire train station cordoned, secured and examined by a forensics team. AI was able to create a new chapter and address this, passing all the uniformed cops' dialogue to the detective character, adding in a forensics team, and following proper police procedure.

However, for scenes that consisted of bland exposition, AI could only clean up the grammar; it couldn't infuse them with deeper meaning. When scenes and sequences lacked a thematic purpose or point and consisted of characters reiterating the plot, AI could only clarify and refine what was there. It couldn't come up with jokes or deeper meaning or any meaningful statement on anything.

AI could broaden the descriptions with sensory details, describing carpets and lights and skies and coffee cups in excessive detail. However, these excessive details were often reused in other scenes; there seemed to be a narrow algorithm that often generated the same flickering yellow lights and cracked concrete whether describing a bowling alley or a house or a hospital. And none of it was purposeful in creating a lighthearted or frightening tone; it was just verbiage.

Reused descriptions were also very common in very uniform patterns of describing speech and body language.

"That's a possibility," she said thoughtfully, her tone pensive.
"It doesn't have to be that way," he said hopefully, his tone optimistic.
He emerged from the car, his movements cautious and concerned.
She stepped out of the office, her movements firm and unyielding.

The AI consistently provided each verb for speech with an adjective and then a needless dependent clause, or repeatedly used the noun "movements" and then attached two adjectives. The AI consistently used phrases like "the air was thick with" various smells and "her furrowed brow", often multiple times in a paragraph.

However, I found it had its uses. There came a point when just touching up the original prose was no longer effective and it was necessary to write new scenes. But I didn't have time to do it, so I would write a bullet point list of events, actions and key dialogue, and AI would generate a prose version of my outline.

This prose would have all of the problems mentioned above,  and either underdescribe or overdescribe actions, sensory details, settings tones of voice. However, it was a lot easier and faster to rewrite and replace poor but present prose than to write it on a blank page. The AI would sometimes make very cursory nods to the specific themes I tried to indicate in my outlines, or miss them entirely, but it still provided a framework for me to add it in whether through replacing or altering the descriptions and dialogue. At times, AI would provide only a two sentence summary of what I'd imagined as a more complex exchange; I could ask it to expand, but even that expansion would be repetitive and uninsightful until I rewrote it.

AI could help me get through a lot of the problems that often made me feel blocked in writing. At one point, I needed to know what police procedure would be for specific evidence. The AI, while a clumsy wordsmith, could describe the appropriate procedure and even put it in some poorly worded paragraphs for me to revise into my own voice. In another scene, I needed information that a medical examiner could plausibly provide from examining a body. AI could generate the jargon, although I stripped it back to the bare minimum.

At another point, I was stuck on how the characters could, outside a building, quickly get to the roof without going in. AI suggested some options (HVAC maintenance, skylight access) and a process by which the characters could ascend. When the characters were caught in a deadly situation and I couldn't think of a way out, AI could offer some ideas. As a result, problems that would normally stop me for days or weeks became something I could work through in an hour. Rewriting this person's fanfic would have taken a year and it wasn't worth that kind of time; AI allowed me to do it over the course of two weeks.

Slider_Quinn21 has talked about struggling with writing and I wonder if he might try AI. Not in these sense of generating a novel. But in terms of writing a bullet point outline for each scene, having AI generate a very poor but present version of the prose that he could then use as a raw draft to rewrite into a first draft.

Of course, there is quite a bit of find and replace needed as I went to work stripping out 172 variations on, "she stepped out of the car, her movements taut and tense" or "her voice troubled" or "the air was thick" or "the smell of stale beer" or "her face etched with worry" and all the highly repetitive writing tics.

I am not sure AI will get 'better'. These repetitive flaws might be amended, but it can't seem to address theme, meaning, insight or purpose unless a human provides those things first. Upon assembling the makeshift novel after a week, I determined that this SCREAM story was effectively a story about ableism and how society often stigmatizes people with disabilities. The AI could not see that, could not refine it, could not hone in on it independently.

When I pointed it out, AI could offer research and statistic and analysis and even refer to the theme in new content, but it couldn't create drama to explore and present it without me first providing an outline and key points for dialogue, and even when it produced those scenes, it was in repetitive prose that lacked intent and purpose and deliberate decision. It would emphasize scenic details that weren't relevant to the theme of stigmatization; it would focus on body language that was irrelevant to the scene being about societal disdain for disabilities.

I doubt AI writing will ever be good. It might have fewer repetitions, it might generate more verbiage pertaining to theme, but I suspect it will always lack artistic intent on its own. It doesn't create art. It generates words and presents data. I think more advanced language generation will be like modern CGI in movies: CGI has become more elaborate and more complex -- but it still looks like an advanced cartoon, you can always tell it's computer generated, and it never looks that real.

The best way to see AI writing might be the way CG can produce animatics. The AI writing is not a final product, but rather reference material to help a human write the actual story, just as Blumhouse will often use CG to produce a cheap animated version of a movie before deciding whether or not to spend the money on filming it with real actors and sets and locations.

AI will not make a bad writer a good one, but it can fix grammar and spelling and provide a subpar working draft, effectively a very rough and artless version of what a writer might imagine, and spare them the trouble of getting those first words down on the blank page.

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I was writing some fanfic for the MTV TV show SCREAM and I had... a painful moment with the series lead, Emma Duval (Willa Fitzgerald).

EMMA: "You've been playing me, this entire time; you've been playing with me!"

ME: "No. No, that's not true. You're my friend, Emma. I care about you, I wouldn't hurt you."

EMMA: "You killed my mother! You killed Audrey! You killed Noah and Gina and Stavo's father and all those cops! You had the power to stop that; you had the power to change all of it! The first go around with Piper Shaw! The legacy she left that Kieran kept going! You let me think Audrey was out to kill me; you let Riley and Zoe and Rachel die and for what? Entertainment? Because, what, I'm your favorite show? Why didn't you just snap your fingers and end it? Or reverse it!?"

ME: "That. Is not. And never has been how it works."

EMMA: "Oh, isn't it? What about SLIDERS? Quinn Mallory was gone. Wade Welles was dead. Professor Arturo was dead! Rembrandt Brown, fate unknown! I've read SLIDERS REBORN. You helped write those fanfics. You saved the sliders. You brought them all back to life and you brought them all home! How could you love me as much as you say you do and not do all of that for me!? You can bring all my friends back to life! You owe me that! You owe us all that!"

ME: (oddly calm detachment) "I... don't. I can't give you that... and I don't owe you that."

(Emma is disgusted.)

ME: "I am... a fan fiction writer. I examine a fictional reality and I observe its rules and bindings and I must operate within them. (very cautiously) And in your world... get stabbed? Shock, organ damage and blood loss. (carefully) Cut in the throat? Asphyxia and air embolism. (soft) Caught in an explosion? Burns if not complete immolation. (gentle) Return to the town where the local serial killer has been biding his time and waiting? The risk of death increases exponentially. (sad) Targeted by four serial killers over the span of six years? The risk of death increases even more. I can change things within the rules of your reality... but I can't... I can't change the rules themselves. And for that... I am truly sorry."

(Emma slaps me in the face. I stare at Emma sadly, refusing to flinch or look away. Emma slaps me again and walks away.)

ME: (quietly) "I'm counting myself lucky she didn't shoot me or throw me off a balcony."

(Quinn Mallory approaches.)

QUINN: "Are you alright?"

ME: "No."

QUINN: "You know what I'm going to tell you."

ME: "I don't."

QUINN: "Yes you do. I'm going to remind you that I exist in a science fiction fantasy where reality is malleable and changeable. You can create reality-warping machines that alter life and death and reverse the course of events and roll them back to an earlier point of reality. You can create new universes to restore what's been lost. You can use every loophole in every clause to bring me back. And I'm going to remind you that Emma Duval exists in the world of a somewhat meta-aware slasher horror television series called SCREAM where those loopholes that you use to save your fictional friends are significantly more limited and highly curtailed by physical realities that my world can set aside."

ME: "I know."

QUINN: "So... I'm going to ask you to remember all of that."

ME: "Please... please forgive me."

QUINN: "I'm going to ask you to forgive yourself for not being a god."

**

ME: "Emma, please. It's not like that. With Quinn... there are so many levers of power and strings to pull. Combines and alternate realities. With you... I don't have as many. I stacked the deck in your favour in every way I could. I didn't kill your friends. I failed to save them. There's a difference."

EMMA: "I know. I know."

ME: "Forgive me?"

EMMA: "Okay."

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Simon Rosenberg who turned out to be pretty wrong in predicting a Kamala win for the 2024 election, suggests a new strategy for fighting the Trump and Musk robbery of the US Treasury: criminal referrals.
https://www.hopiumchronicles.com/p/time … s-for-elon

I don't think I would trust any more of Rosenberg's polling analysis in the future, but in terms of strategy, he could be onto something.

The Jacobin had an interesting article pointing out: Obama and Biden weren't any different from Trump in deporting migrants. Obama and Biden were just a bit better than the rest at drawing media attention elsewhere:
https://jacobin.com/2025/02/democrats-t … guantanamo

However, Trump has thrown government and the entire globe into chaos whereas Obama and Biden were more stable and workable and weren't attacking Canadians via tariffs.

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Trump's recent executive orders attacked the transgender community, stripping funding from gender affirmation procedures that, I've read, reduce suicide risks. Another threatens funding from schools that let transgender studnets use bathrooms consistent with their identities. Another bans transgender athletes from women's sports. Trump says it's to protect women.

https://www.vox.com/politics/398382/tra … rump-lgbtq
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … hletes-ban

The hateful intent and rhetoric of these executive orders resembles some of the things Grizzlor has said, but I don't believe that Grizzlor and Trump come from the same place. I no longer believe (and never really did believe) that Grizzlor hates transgender people. I think there is some divide between how Grizzlor really feels about transgender people and what he wrote in his first post, some loss of nuance, and the second post is, I'm sure, closer to his views than his first.

Grizzlor has voiced concerns about biological differences of men in transgender identity specific to settings of physical conflict (sports and prison) that inclusion may not address. Transgender women in prisons and sports is... clearly a more complex issue than I thought it to be. The fact that people who were men at birth have distinctions that cannot be dismissed by gender identity is a challenge in integration and inclusion.

I don't know what to do about it or what to say about it. I don't know how to reconcile those challenges with my belief that transgender people are human beings with human rights. I also don't know if minors should have gender affirming surgery and medications.

This was a lot of verbiage to say nothing, really.

However, I do know that none of this legislation from Trump is in any way about addressing these biological and physical differences or about protecting women in any way.

Donald Trump is a convicted sexual abuser; his cabinet is filled with men who have assaulted women. These executive orders are simply to isolate, curtail, assail and harass transgender people and tell them they are not human and don't have civil rights and liberties and to remove any medical and institutional supports they have. They are to score political points, to win the approval of bigots.

Trump's orders are abhorrent. These people don't care about women at all and are doing this out of hate and contempt and and opportunism and the belief that some people are less human than others, and that's not Grizzlor. I apologize for ever suggesting it could be.

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Good to know. And as I am empowered by my Tim Hortons discount card to speak for all Canadians:

We as Canadians collectively pledge to be tireless in defending our economy, sovereignty, natural resources and pilight's inalienable right to give his opinion of Kamala Harris as a weak and ill-prepared nominee who was selected and not elected, for pilight to give any personal opinion regarding any known matter of public record, and for pilight to do so without being accused of dumb and random crap that he never actually said.

**

Just now, at the clinic, I asked the nurse if she could take a second pint out of me. She said she could not, that I'd donated enough blood, and she asked what the problem was. I told her: I was afraid to go home and read Sliders.tv and whatever godawful thing a certain someone might have posted while I was out. She said she didn't know what that was and gave me another juice box.

You may wonder why I'm so torqued. Why pilight being insulted and harassed is infuriating. The answer is: I don't appreciate being taken advantage of.

I just reloaded my Tim Horton's prepaid card; I have the floor and speak for all Canadians for another half-hour. So, as I've established, we Canadians are a bitter and grudge-bearing lot.

We are still pissy over the Treaty of Paris of 1783, the unfair split of the Oregon Treaty of 1846, the USS Nashville sailing into the Great Lakes in 1907, the States trying to integrate British Columbia into a West Coast military command point in 1934. And I guess there was that time in 2012 when Slider_Quinn21 offered to help me write a SLIDERS story and didn't come through. These have all irked us nationally as Canadians, but the thing that really burns our collective Oka cheese: when someone breaks a deal again and again.

When someone makes a deal and they burn us once, we as Canadians are acrimonious. When you burn us multiple times, we become downright vengeful. Of course, we have to note that Slider_Quinn21 came back to help us with the SLIDERS REBORN fanfic in 2016, so we marked that situation as a promise kept.

But when Canadians make deals, we expect you to live up to them. And a certain poster here -- let's call him 'Bryan' -- has broken our deal. Repeatedly.

Bryan was told that it was not appropriate to arbitrarily accuse people of being Trump supporters every time he didn't like their less-than-uniform support of Democrats. Bryan was told that it was not acceptable to hijack conversations with unproven claims of voter fraud in 2024. Bryan was told it was not acceptable to hijack conversations with arbitrary accusations of Trumpism.

He was warned to stop, by my count, eight times. He kept doing it. He was warned that he would be banned if he kept doing this on two separate occasions, by my count. After the tenth instance (by my count), he was banned and it should have been over. It should have been finished. It should have been done.

But then God spared Bryan. Or rather: Slider_Quinn21, who is unto a god, gave Bryan a second chance. Slider_Quinn21 was the first person Bryan had ever attacked on Sliders.tv with accusations of Trumpism for Slider_Quinn21 worrying that Biden would lose in 2024. Slider_Quinn21 was the first target of Bryan's abusive and harassing tendencies... and Slider_Quinn21 forgave him and asked for Bryan to be pardoned and reinstated. I saw Slider_Quinn21's mercy and grace and I was moved and humbled by it.

I bowed to what God and Slider_Quinn21 asked of me and Canada. The deal was struck: Bryan could return so long as there was no further hijacking, unfounded accusations and unproven claims of 2024 electoral fraud.

Bryan has broken every term of our agreement, much in the same way Donald Trump has broken every agreement he's ever made. Every single one. Bryan has trespassed and stepped over every single boundary, just as Donald Trump has done the same in his life.

Bryan has proven duplicitous, dishonest, dishonourable and utterly untrustworthy. He agreed not to make false accusations. He agreed not to post his conspiracy theories. His last several posts have contained all of the supposedly curtailed behaviours with a declaration that he should never have ceased in the first place. Like Donald Trump, Bryan's word has no bearing on his conduct.

Bryan has no respect for boundaries. When told that to stop posting unproven claims of 2024 voter fraud and false accusations of Trumpism, Bryan's approach was to claim any news article that reported the 2024 Democrat loss was from a fraudulent and untrustworthy news outlet or to make the same accusations but claim they were corrections, and then simply posted more unproven claims and made the false accusations outright.

When Bryan is given a boundary, he treads on the boundary lightly and gradually and then steps over it entirely. Like Donald Trump, he is incrementally disrespectful of boundaries, creeping and encroaching; he denies he is preparing to break the boundaries when this is spotted; he then breaks the boundaries and claims he wasn't previously curtailed from doing so and that the boundaries either didn't exist or weren't ones he should have to follow.

Bryan is manipulative and controlling. He constantly claims that he is leaving Sliders.tv, bids farewell to 'everyone' (even though he's accused us all of fascism for not being sufficiently groveling to his political party of choice), attempting to trigger guilt and regret and make certain people feel a sense of loss -- and then he comes back, tactically seeking to capitalize on the hope for reconciliation and a second chance in order to continue trespassing on boundaries and ignoring all agreements.

This is precisely how he took advantage of Slider_Quinn21's goodwill and patience and forgiveness, and now Bryan flaunts that abuse of Slider_Quinn21's kind nature as Bryan declares he should never have ceased the behaviours he barely ever stopped to begin with, and then he complains that he isn't liked for "some reason" as opposed to the mountain of reasons accumulated over every broken promise and trespassed boundary and the chances upon chances that he's abused.

As Canadians, when we see you take advantage of our kind-hearted friends, we will detest you on a deeply personal level that makes it difficult to breathe.

We Canadians can spot an abusive, harassing manipulator like this from a one kilometer distance. We Canadians can tell that the only real difference between Donald John Trump and Bryan here is that Bryan claims to vote Democrat and is probably less in debt.

Canadians loathe people who have consistently proven that their word is worthless.

And let's be clear: Slider_Quinn21, like any friend, is only human too. But here's the thing: we Canadians know that when Slider_Quinn21 doesn't come through, it's because he had a screenwriting obligation or because he was tired, we forgive it, we consider asking less of him, and we save our national rage for someone who's actually out to screw us over time and time again.

We know that when Bryan turns on us and breaks our deal, it isn't because he's tired or disoriented or busy. It's because he's malicious and deceitful and most importantly: he fundamentally doesn't respect us or you or me or anyone but himself.

As Canadians, we also have a particular contempt for people who give false apologies. Who apologize for their misdeeds, give assurances that they understand the strain and pain they have caused -- and then proceed to inflict more of the same in exactly the same way and prove that any apology past or present or future is as worthless as their word.

And as Canadians, when you break your word with us, we consider you an active hostile. When your apologies are proven meaningless because you repeat the same behaviour, we find you treacherous and duplicitous. When you gradually creep upon boundaries to break them, we find you incrementally insidious and manipulative.

We will consider you to have destroyed your lifetime allotment of any leniency or goodwill.

We will no longer trust you. We will monitor your actions. We will resent the exhaustion and drain of managing the situations you constantly create.

We have been hurt so consistently and repeatedly by you that we have gone from wounded to wrathful and now, we will document your behaviour and how you suckered us and launched unprovoked attacks on our friends time and time again and then we'll comb through every loophole and clause and then we're going to get back at you just as hard as you got us by striking at a precise moment in a specific way that will be small-scale and trivial and inconsequential and not in any way physically or financially or professionally harmful and yet incredibly annoying and aggravating and exasperating from now to eternity because we Canadians are petty, we are obsessive, and we despise people who exploit the goodwill and forgiveness of others, who take no accountability, have no integrity, and demonstrate total disregard for fair dealing.

Satire inspired by https://thebeaverton.com/2025/02/editor … dians-are/

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Hi, again. Grizzlor, I'm sorry for the conflict. I had a very bad reaction to your first post, but reading your second has made me see things and see you very differently.

The original post, if reviewed in terms of observed discomforts and with the framework that males are more violent than females, takes on a remarkably different angle in the context of your follow-up post.

Grizzlor wrote:

My thoughts were to protect young girls and women, who remain the most frequently victimized part of society, mostly by men.  I'm not backing down on barring biological men (post-puberty ages) from women's sports.  Particularly at the high school or collegiate level.  There are competive fairness concerns as well as physical injury concerns.  Anyone born male has inherent biomechanical advantages and those can be dangerous, just as an NFL linebacker would pose a risk to someone like me, who is not a pro.

I don't have any opinion on anything sports related. I think that this is a very interesting opinion and something I would think about, that's engaging with biological characteristics of being born male or female as opposed to gender identity. It is a much more nuanced, and, I have to say, absolutely fascinating and complex portrayal than the original post implied.

I think the original comments about violent offenders were inadvertently generalized -- whether it was in how I read it or how it was written -- to transgender identity being a threat as opposed to male biological advantages in situations of physical conflict or competition, partly due to wording, partly due to me feeling attacked.

Grizzlor wrote:

I bashed "Drag Queen Story Hour," again, to some an innocuous idea, to others it was another instance where "normies" felt Liberals may have lost their minds.  I myself, have no problem with it.

Well, you did say, "I'm as socially liberal as you will find.  If my niece/nephew were subjected to that, I would raise hell!!!  WTF are we doing????"

In light of your second post, I have to conclude that either I have misread your comment about "raising hell", or you mean it very differently from how it was written. I don't know what you meant by it, especially as drag and transgender are not synonymous, but the comment in the first post doesn't correspond to the more measured perspective of the second. I am going to assume it's something in tune with the second.

I would now observe, when comparing your original post and this one, you observe people's prejudices, but write about them in a way that suggests that you share those biases... and you don't, but you have some specific concerns.

Grizzlor wrote:

Not in the United States, because they don't largely allow mixing of genders in a prison, there are very small numbers of trans women in women's jails.  The studies also show that people who were born male, retain the same statistical pattern regarding criminality as those who remain "male."  Don't blame me, it's the Y-chromosome.  https://committees.parliament.uk/writte … 18973/pdf/

My reaction to the original comments were because it seemed to present transgender people as threats in general as opposed to being specifically about violent offenders and/or physical competition in sports. I am sorry for the misunderstanding.

Grizzlor wrote:

if you're born male, you're far more likely to be violent than those born female.  That is a blanket statement on the whole of Earthly mammals.

Grizzlor wrote:

He's supposed to be in the medical field of some sort, yet wants to argue against human biology.

This last sentence, if misunderstood in the wrong context and mistaken for a general comment on transgender studies, could seem like arguing that transgender identity is an argument against human biology; when in a paragraph about how individuals born are male at least statistically more aggressive than female, it takes on a much more nuanced and thoughtful perspective.

I have never really thought about or studied the biology of whether men are more aggressive than women, but statistically, violent crimes are slanted towards male perpetrators. The second post about male-born people having higher levels of aggression and physical advantages strikes me as observable reality.

Women wouldn't have to struggle and battle for every inch of civil rights and liberties if men weren't physically stronger. I don't think I have ever argued one way or another on whether or not men are more violent than women due to biology, but I have certainly made that argument statistically, if not here, then elsewhere. So it is not something I could or would argue against.

The specific issue of transgender people in sports or transgender violent offenders in prison is so specific that I understand that comments in that area are not meant to be about transgender people in general.

I am sorry again for our conflict. Thank you again for a very detailed, very thoughtful, very interesting response that I will probably be contemplating and reading more about for weeks if not months.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

On behalf of all Americans, we are sorry.  Canada is supposed to be our friend, and I don't know why we're treating our friends this way.  We also do not want to make you an American state.  At the moment, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

I hope America can find its way out of what we've become, and I hope Canada will forgive us when we do.

Well, America isn't Americans. I doubt you or anyone you know, even the Canada hostile neighbours you may have, personally started a trade war. Even Republicans aren't keen on 25 percent tariffs, hence their pleading for the pause; it's going to massively increase costs for Americans. Even the threat of a trade war (paused for a month) has hurt Americans and Canadians alike, so the damage is on both sides due to one person's non-existent grasp of trade.

The trade war was paused. But that bell can't be unrung. As a Canadian, I am a bitter, angry, vengeful little creep and I will hold a grudge forever until I have seen it arrive at a satisfactory resolution, and I have an extremely peculiar standard for resolution that most human beings fail to meet.

I am someone who is offended by groveling apologies because I consider them insincere. Grizzlor is one of the few people whose responses I have ever accepted as 'apology' because Grizzlor's responses are distinctly unapologetic; they always convey that while he didn't mean to insult me personally, he's not changing his personal opinion. That was sincere and that I can respect.

And because I will hold American's decision to tariff Canada over America forever (or until my country gets a Grizzlor-esque response from American leadership), I will no longer trust American businesses. Pause or no pause, I can't count on being able to trade with them equitably. I can't count on being able to do business with Gillette or Neutrogena or Amazon or Netflix... so I will be looking at alternate arrangements to replace as much American commerce in my life with Canadian, Japanese and Korean commerce instead.

Anyway. Nothing for Slider_Quinn21 to apologize for on the trade war front.

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I see QuinnSlidr, despite accusing everyone on this forum of being a Trumpist, has decided to return to it.

I have warned QuinnSlidr repeatedly about his abuse and harassment and he has continued to engage in it. He continues to engage in conversation hijacking: someone posts facts and a perspective about one political subject (say, Kamala and presidential primaries); QuinnSlidr hijacks it with a response about a different subject (a false statement from Trump saying Biden's presidency was stolen from him) and then accuses the poster of being a Trump supporter for protesting the conversation hijacking. This is abuse and harassment. Donald Trump also engages in this tactic.

QuinnSlidr's hijacking includes claims that the 2024 election was stolen, citing 'facts' that are speculative comments from social media or vague statements from politicians known to be delusional. He has been asked to cease posting this content and claiming they are proven facts. No election official or even Kamala Harris herself has contested the election results. QuinnSlidr has no explanation for why how air-gapped voting machines were supposedly hacked (something something Starlink) or why Kamala Harris didn't contest the election.

QuinnSlidr has made harassing claims that no person or news source that reports or discusses the Kamala loss is credible because they don't accept his unproven conspiracy theory as fact. This is abuse and harassment.

QuinnSlidr has also accused every single person here of being a Trump supporter for not finding his lack of evidence credible or for protesting his conversation hijacking and his ongoing pattern of abuse and harassment. QuinnSlidr agreed to cease this behaviour but shortly resumed it in full force.

QuinnSlidr has, by my new count, declared that he is leaving Sliders.tv on four separate occasions, bid a regretful farewell to everyone (and note that he accused everyone of being a Trump supporter and by his own account should have no good feeling towards anyone here) -- and then he comes back. This is abusive behaviour: abusers often declare they are leaving to give their targets a false sense that the situation is over and to induce guilt in the hopes that their return will be tolerated. His claim that he is leaving this thread is clearly as serious as his previous farewell messages.

It's clear that he intends to continue this behaviour in full force because Slider_Quinn21 has given him complete and total immunity to do so.

QuinnSlidr is very much like Donald Trump. Donald Trump also repeats unproven statements as though repetition makes them fact, claims any source that doesn't grovel to him is invalid, cites unrelated information to justify false attacks, creates false assocations to attack people, regularly says he is leaving a relationship and then returns to it to engage in more abuse, and brags about total immunity.

QuinnSlidr is only permitted to post here because Slider_Quinn21 -- the first person he ever arbitrarily accused of Trumpism -- asked for QuinnSlidr's ban to be lifted. As I expected, QuinnSlidr has resumed the behaviour for which he was originally banned. His claim to no longer participate in this thread is obviously as untrustworthy as his regular farewell posts claiming that he will leave. He'll be back.

In the same post, he declares that he regrets ever pausing his abuse and harassment, effectively declaring intent to resume full time.

Slider_Quinn21 was unable to come up with a remedial course of action when asked for one earlier. I asked him to get back to me in a week, but QuinnSlidr's behaviour then escalated to declaring he should never have stopped his abuse and harassment and false claims, effectively meaning he never will. This has moved up the timetable.

I was initially thinking that when QuinnSlidr inevitably posted any more of his Trump style abuse and harassment, I could try to move those future posts to a separate thread. People could go to this separate thread if they were in desperate need to read more comments where QuinnSlidr accuses anyone and everyone of being a Trump supporter.

However, then my mother had so many medical appointments booked today that I realized: I wouldn't have time to monitor this. I have no time for QuinnSlidr any more. QuinnSlidr has been given multiple warnings about his behaviour and was banned for it once. Every time he says he's leaving this board, he returns shortly. He has now declared that he will never again cease his abuse and harassment and demands to be thanked for it.

Going forward, I'm going to suspend his account any further abuse and harassment. The length of these bans which will depend on my schedule and how available I am to monitor the situation.

I recognize that when Slider_Quinn21 asked for QuinnSlidr to be unbanned, I said I would defer to his arbitration on this. But when the arbitrator says "I don't have the heart to chime in" and only suggests inaction without response, then the arbitrator has ceased to arbitrate.

My agreement was to defer to an active and involved arbitrator. I thought I could wait a week, but QuinnSlidr is now Trumpianly bragging about how he should never have paused (and therefore can continue) his abuse and harassment. An arbitrator is supposed to resolve conflict, but the arbitrator's avoidance conveyed impunity and immunity to an abusive harasser and the conflict escalated. This is the opposite of arbitration. There is no arbitrator here. And I must now move forward as I see fit.

Sorry, Slider_Quinn21. I know you didn't mean to abandon your post; you got tired and I don't blame you at all. No one's paying you to do this. I'm tired too.

The only reason I'm posting here today is because, after a rough week with my mother's health, I had to take a day off at home... and the QuinnSlidr problem has taken up most of it. His pattern is unacceptable, pathological and clearly unchangeable given how he's had 12 warnings, he got to come back after being banned, and he still won't curtail his behaviour and now says that he never will.

The fact that his defender "didn't have the heart" to get involved gives me the impression that even he knew it was a lost cause.

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I would say this whole response from Grizzlor had a lot more nuance (explaining that your concern was more about people who were already violent criminals).

Thank you for writing it. I really appreciated it and felt great relief with reading each and every paragraph.

I'm not going to apologize for responding to a post that was shocking and required numerous responses to parse it and requiring an explanation before we resume our usual deliberations about ray guns and vampire slayers.

Your comments as originally presented did not center on violent criminals. You have clarified that your issues are with violent offenders, that you were offering observations of others' discomfort as opposed to your own, and that is to my immense relief and gratitude.

I've never seen you take attacks lightly; I don't either. Looking at TrekBBS, moderators instantly ban people for transphobia instead of having a discussion and asking the person to answer for it. Slider_Quinn21 advised just asking you to explain. And he was right.

Anyway. I appreciate you explaining what you meant. And I want to apologize to you again for all the times I didn't ask you for an explanation and a conversation. I don't feel that's what happened here, but because of all the times it did happen, I really can't take issue with your frustration about it. So I'll simply say thank you for being a friend.