I think there is a good chance that Slider_Quinn21 and I will like the extended cut more than the theatrical cut -- although I base this on the hypothetical that the script for BVS was truncated severely in the theatrical version with key Superman scenes lost (such as Clark not getting involved in wars and hotspots and more sequences of Clark saving people) as well as Batman scenes (such as Bruce revealing why he went from hopeful to a burnt out wreck of a man, presumably because Robin was murdered).
3,961 2016-06-02 16:48:19
Re: DC Superheroes in Film (1943 - 2024) (1,098 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
3,962 2016-05-31 18:27:07
Topic: X-Men/Legion/The Gifted/Deadpool (45 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I enjoyed X-MEN APOCALYPSE, but it isn't a great movie. There are great scenes and great sequences and great moments, but they somehow don't add up. The film has a perfect set of competing values. Apocalypse declares that the strong need to take the world for themselves, that our governments and societal structures exist only to support the worthless and powerless. And then Xavier declares that the role of the strong is to protect those who aren't. Elitism versus compassion for the weak.
Somehow, that message gets a bit muted in endless action sequence upon endless action sequence -- all of them very exciting and filled with great uses of mutant power, none of them scoring that point that compassion for the weak is true strength. There is almost no sense of location by the end -- it's Cairo, but it might as well be one of ARROW's many abandoned factories.
Magneto's plot is pitifully repetitive -- once again, his family is killed and he goes on a grief-stricken homicidal rampage until Xavier talks him out of it and we end waiting for it to happen again in the next movie. In this continuity, Magneto has gone crazy on three separate occasions and then Xavier shakes his hand and wishes him well on his way to his next nervous breakdown? Seriously?
The film desperately needed to wrap up Magneto's arc at least for the film -- ideally, by putting Erik in a dreamworld or wiping his memories and giving him a civilian life. The film does a nice job of showing that Apocalypse and mutants have something resembling a grain of truth in considering themselves a superior race -- but the counterargument never quite lands -- in the end, Apocalypse loses because while he's superior, Jean Grey turns out to be more superior.
The best way would have been for Jean to have worked with Nightcrawler and Scott enough to see their powers in action, perhaps in a mishap or two at the shopping mall. Then, in the final fight scene, Jean's telepathy somehow coordinates their powers to use against Apocalypse in a way that gives them victory.
The bizarre thing is that this is more or less the approach used in the first X-MEN movie: Magneto confiscates Cyclops' visor and immobilizes all the X-Men; Jean uses her telepathy to get Cyclops' visor back and aim his optic blast to take out Magneto and free the other teammates, yet Singer completely missed the chance to put his formula into practice.
I mean, as an X-MEN fan, this is a perfectly solid X-MEN product, but as a feature film, it doesn't really work as a standalone piece of cinema much in the way an episode of THE FLASH wouldn't work if shown in theatres without the surrounding context.
There's also some peculiar continuity choices, including an error: Mystique replaced Striker in DAYS OF FUTURE PAST and took custody of Wolverine. That plot seems to be forgotten entirely in APOCALYPSE with Striker running Weapon X and holding Wolverine captive. Looking back at FIRST CLASS, FUTURE PAST and APOCALYPSE, it's kind of shocking to see that FIRST CLASS introduced a new lineup of X-MEN only for FUTURE PAST to disband the team and kill most of them off camera in the Vietnam war with a refocus on restoring the lineup of the first two X-MEN films -- with APOCALYPSE serving as a second FIRST CLASS, this time for the Cyclops/Jean/Nightcrawler team plus Wolverine.
The trajectory of this second trilogy has been truly bizarre and largely due to Matthew Vaughn backing out of DAYS OF FUTURE PAST and Bryan Singer reworking the film from being focused on the FIRST CLASS characters into a Wolverine film that would undo the deaths of Xavier, Cyclops and Jean Grey so that he could use the characters in the next film without the shadow of LAST STAND having killed them off.
I don't fault Singer for saving his people the second he could, and it was great for FUTURE PAST, but it leaves APOCALYPSE in an odd situation of trying to wrap up what's essentially an aborted trilogy. Imagine if the STAR WARS prequels set up Anakin and Obi-Wan as the leads for the trilogy -- only for ATTACK OF THE CLONES have Luke return and take over as the lead through time travel, relegating Obi-Wan and Anakin to background roles.
Ideally, the FIRST CLASS sequel and the DAYS OF FUTURE PAST repair job should have been two separate films, and after the FIRST CLASS team hit a natural endpoint, then Bryan Singer should have done the Cyclops/Jean/Xavier story.
The continuity of the series is hilariously incoherent at this point. X-MEN establishes that Xavier met Magneto in his teens, that Magneto helped him build Cerebro and that Magneto only started using the mind-blocking helmet in the 90s -- and Mystique clearly doesn't know Xavier personally. FIRST CLASS has Xavier meeting Magneto in their 30s, the government already built Cerebro, the helmet exists in the 60s and Mystique and Charles grew up together. Emma Frost, shown as a teenager in the 1979-set WOLVERINE film is in her mid-30s in the 60s-set FIRST CLASS.
One might think that FIRST CLASS is a reboot with the first trilogy references existing as Easter eggs. However, DAYS OF FUTURE PAST has Wolverine interacting with the FIRST CLASS characters while flashing back to footage from the first three X-MEN movies and the first WOLVERINE film.
Which leads us to baffling timeline issues where Jubilee and Angel, teenagers in the first trilogy appear as teenagers in APOCALYPSE which is set over a decade before the first X-MEN. There's also some incomprehensible discrepancies where Magneto is free to wander about in anonymity in the first three X-MEN movies but is shown to be public enemy number one and convicted as John F. Kennedy's murderer in DAYS OF FUTURE PAST even before he tries to take out Nixon.
None of these errors can be explained by the time travel plot of DAYS OF FUTURE PAST because the discrepancies (births, reputations) originate well before Wolverine was transported to the 70s. The only explanation I can think of would be to say that Wolverine made an initial attempt at time travel but vastly overshot the 70s and had an adventure at some point between 1880 (the year he was born) and 1944 (when Xavier meets Mystique) and somehow created ripples that altered history.
These ripples would have to result in certain family trees producing children named Emma, Warren (Angel) and Jubilation (Jubilee) earlier, Mystique meeting Xavier as a child, Erik not being in the right place to meet Xavier as early as they originally did, the government being more aware of mutants at an earlier point and thus building Cerebro, etc..
Probably something for a comic book to do at some point?
3,963 2016-05-30 18:18:46
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (927 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
The fact that Cap has always been used as a symbol is actually a bit of a handicap with a character whose adventures have been running since 1941. It's a description of every Cap story for seven decades. Which would suggest that surely there's space for the one story where Cap's symbolism is corrupted and twisted and broken -- if only to see what would happen. And maybe it won't work, but the truth is that Cap has endured many, many bad stories over the year because he's a very difficult character to write. One more won't do him any harm, and there'll be another 70 years of stories of Cap as a symbol afterwards. You could suck out Steve's brain (which has actually happened a few times), shoot him dead (which happened in the same story), blow him up (happens every other month), send him to a rape camp (well, he's been in concentration camps), turn him into a computer (it happened!), leave him unstuck in time (happened), merge his consciousness with another person (in Cap's case it was the Red Skull) and cancel his comic (it happened twice) -- and it happens over and over and over again and he just keeps coming back.
You know, there was a long period -- a very long period -- when Oliver Queen was dead as a doornail. GREEN ARROW comics featured Ollie's son, Connor Hawke. From 1996 - 2001, Oliver Queen was gone. Now that era is just a footnote. Can you even imagine it? I was there and I can barely believe it ever happened at all.
It's kind of comforting. It's what SLIDERS couldn't give me.
3,964 2016-05-30 17:52:23
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (927 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I dunno. I'm currently writing an action sequence where the sliders are investigating a series of peculiar suicides. It could come out in September near Suicide Awareness Day. Should any story that inspires negative emotions be barred from release because a story element designed to create conflict and evoke concern might come when somebody is conceivably having a bad day?
That said, comics, more than any medium, seem a little overfond of one particular narrative device -- the fakeout. I think of HEROES as a TV show that reflected comics' worst traits and the fakeout was one of the most overused devices on the show. Sylar is Peter's brother! Hal Jordan is a mass murderer! Daredevil has become a supervillain with an army of bloodthirsty ninjas! Spider-Man has been killed and replaced with Dr. Octopus! Professor X is dead! Cyclops is dead! Wolverine is dead! Peter has become a Sylar-esque serial killer! Nathan is dead! Mohinder is dead! Sylar is dead! Claire is dead! Peter is dead! Captain America is dead! Captain America has lost the super soldier serum and aged into an old man! Captain America is an agent of HYDRA! No, not really, just kidding.
The thing is -- even if Captain America were really turned into a HYDRA agent and this is how the writer is going to keep the character going forward -- some future writer would someday undo it. Marv Wolfman was pretty sure Barry was dead forever, Ron Marz declared that Hal Jordan should rest in peace, Marvel was certain Peter Parker's days as Spider-Man were done -- but the truth is that these characters carry on indefinitely and some nostalgic writer will hit the reset button eventually. It's so inevitable that writers have decided to set up and trigger their own reset buttons.
3,965 2016-05-27 18:06:05
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Another wonky REBIRTH/SLIDERS REBORN similarity jumped out at me -- REBIRTH offers an explanation for why there's a redhaired Wally West and an African American Wally West and why both have the same name (they're distant cousins named after the same grandfather). This new REBORN installment will attempt an explanation for why Robert Floyd and Jerry O'Connell play characters with the same name despite not being the same guy.
On that note, I'm happy to report that I've just completed the first draft of this short script where Quinn and Mallory will, at long last, team up! Sure hope Jerry doesn't balk at sharing the center stage with Robert Floyd for a story (he said somewhat delusionally).
The one thing I'm struggling with -- it's a little confusing to identify who is who at times. Quinn is listed in the script as QUINN and Mallory as MALLORY. However, I wrote Quinn to always address Mallory as "Quinn." ("Quinn!?" "Quinn." "Quinn!" "Quinn." "Quinn?") It can become unclear. And I'm writing a version of Maggie who still calls Quinn by his last name.
3,966 2016-05-27 14:10:27
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Any copying started with me. The guy who wrote DC REBIRTH also wrote the GREEN LANTERN arc where he had to undo the once heroic Hal Jordan having become a deranged supervillain who killed the Green Lantern Crops. He revealed that Hal had been infected by a primordial entity of fear that had been hiding within the Green Lantern central battery and it had corrupted his mind and driven him mad.
I stole the corruption idea and applied it to time as opposed to a character -- and that writer eventually applied his method to time as well in DC REBIRTH. It's a fairly ludicrous concept for anything resembling a grounded, realistic drama, but superheroes aren't really meant to be realistic and the sliders can occasionally be excused from realism as well if the circumstances are right... or if the story's executed in a short prequel novella that only offers a brief summary of the full story so as to avoid burying the reader with the weight of how ridiculous the whole thing is.
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Yay, new book to read! Can't wait to see how it all turns out.
3,967 2016-05-27 14:08:33
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (927 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I always thought Dean should have been split in half; one version stays with Ben and Lisa and the other one goes off with Dean. Like on FARSCAPE!
SPOILERS
I thought the finale was okay and they introduced a new situation for the next season. It felt a little (deliberately) anti-climactic, but that's okay. I enjoyed the ride. There were lots of nice, quiet character moments. I did think that Amara desperately needed more characterization in order to make her decision at the end more convincing, though.
3,968 2016-05-27 11:17:39
Re: DC Superheroes in Film (1943 - 2024) (1,098 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
The weird thing is that the legacy aspects of the DC Universe are part of why I never liked the DC Universe that much. While Superman and Batman are great, I dislike the scorched earth approach DC took to the Flash, Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Blue Beetle, the JLA where DC would frequently kill off the most iconic version of these characters and replace them with a new one -- as though the fans' loyalty were to the codename and the costume. It seems really arrogant to expect FLASH fans to be okay with liking Wally over Barry, GL fans to happily take Kyle Rayner over Hal Jordan, GA fans to accept Connor Hawke over Oliver Queen, BB fans to embrace Jaime Reyes over Ted Kord, etc..
There's also the fact that the previous incarnation of the character would always be written out in a bloody and horrific fashion. Barry melted, Hal went insane, Oliver blew himself up, Ted Kord got shot through the head. There seemed to be a shock value oriented contempt for the characters and DC would eventually engage in some truly absurd methods of resurrecting the dead characters. The idea that Hal Jordan went insane because he was possessed by a yellow fear monster is just stupid, albeit executed with such love and grace and style that I didn't mind.
On one level, I am fascinated by how DC mutilated its characters and then repaired them -- because it inspires me to do the same for Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo. On another, it makes me vastly prefer the Marvel approach where their signature characters are not the costumes and codenames for Spider-Man, Iron Man, Captain America, Daredevil and the X-Men -- their investment is in Peter, Tony, Steve and Charles and they know that's what readers come for. They come for the characters. They are our friends. Even when Peter and Steve and Charles weren't around for some time, their absences were played in a way that deepened what those characters meant.
In contrast, DC blows up its own fictional universe and continuity constantly and it's impossible to feel connected to the characters. Since 2011, Superman has been rebooted as a new Clark Kent and readers followed his adventures -- except the pre-2011 Superman returned, the post-2011 Superman has been killed off and readers are now expected to transfer their loyalty back to the pre-2011 Superman again. Wonder Woman got a new origin in 2010, essentially replacing the character with an alternate universe version, who was promptly deleted with another new origin in 2011. It's schizophrenic and it doesn't serve the characters because they're ripped away and replaced so abruptly and suddenly, it's difficult to connect to them -- especially when DC is so casual about wiping them out and acting like it's just the costume and the codename that matter.
3,969 2016-05-27 11:03:41
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (927 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Just an addendum -- I think comic writers from the 60s to 2000s didn't know what they could change and what they couldn't. They understood that when you write Superman, X-Men, Spider-Man, Batman, Green Lantern, etc., you are writing mythic characters, but what are the essential aspects of that myth that everyone associates with the character that a faithful film or TV adaptation would use? When these characters were created and when these characters were at the height of their publishing popularity, it was difficult to imagine them in any other medium -- or that adaptations would be the most visible, most prominent versions of these characters.
For example, the shift from Barry to Wally -- this was DC Comics growing its universe, meeting the passage of time, and telling the next chapter in the legacy of The Flash. The Flash had started out as Jay Garrick, who was popular for a time but faded away. Then the Flash was revised into a new character with the same name and a similar costume and powers, Barry Allen. There was also the sense that Barry's character was a bit played out and dull.
With Green Lantern, sales had fallen on the title dramatically and DC sought to create a controversial, attention-grabbing storyline, so they had Hal Jordan become an insane mass murdering villain who destroyed the GL Corps and replaced him with a new Green Lantern named Kyle Rayner. This was DC attempting to progress into the 90s and create a GL who reflected young adult culture of the era -- soap opera with a 20something GL hanging out at his coffee shop angsting over girls.
However, the end result was that these updated for the 90s/next gen characters were too complicated in origin and backstory to bring to TV and film. It became necessary to roll back these changes and make Barry the star once more. With The Flash, all the next gen characters were unfortunately deleted. With GREEN LANTERN, the GL Corps allowed for all the next gen characters to stick around as supporting cast and in spin-offs while the core GL title focused on Hal Jordan once again. These were two instances where the changes were meant to be permanent, but over the course of several decades, it became clear that they had to be undone.
Grant Morrison, a very popular and inventive writer, attempted to do next-gen changes to BATMAN and X-MEN. With BATMAN, he introduced Batman Incorporated and created a global army of Batman and gave Batman a homicidal 10-year-old son. This was the evolution of Batman's storytelling engine. Unfortunately, it was an evolution based specifically on this particular writer's quirks and obsessions and without him, Batman Inc. faded away -- although the 10-year-old son remained.
With X-MEN, he attempted to replace the X-Men as a metaphor for the civil rights movement with a metaphor for youth culture. He replaced all the costumes with black leather, he had the X-Men revealed to the public instead of being an underground operation. While he did a great job, other writers couldn't quite capture the same tone and after he left X-MEN, the titles returned to the old civil rights approach -- although the X-Men remained publicly known and Cyclops and Emma Frost remained a couple with Jean Grey killed off and kept dead (but time travel brought a young version of her to the present day). In terms of evolving BATMAN and X-MEN to the next chapter, the changes were largely rolled back anyway for the next writer to come in with the default status.
It's only over decades that the essentials -- the defaults, the aspects the public associates with the character -- become clear. Superman will always be a reporter at the Daily Planet and his being a TV newsanchor was eventually undone. The Flash is Barry Allen, Green Lantern is Hal Jordan, the X-Men protect a world that hates and fears them, Batman fights crime in Gotham and not globally and Captain America fights Nazis. The writers can't be blamed for not being psychic or not realizing until the last decade that any changes to those essentials are only temporary. These temporary changes are generally to reinforce that those are the essential elements, sometimes through their absence.
So, right now, the style seems to be to execute GL/FLASH type changes by killing off Captain America and replacing him with Bucky or having Cap go evil, much like the Flash and Green Lantern -- but with the knowledge that this will be undone and to plan for that well in advance and making sure there's a decent story to be found there.
3,970 2016-05-27 10:41:24
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I was wondering if you would recognize the first actress. She was Marina Oswald in that show you extra'd in. I do enjoy dreamcasting -- I imagine the character as looking like actress #1 but with the acting ability and body language of #2.
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I posted in the DC thread about the DC REBIRTH comic -- but just to summarize: the Flash is unstuck in time, erased from existence. In his untethered state, he witnesses historical events and discovers that reality has been altered: the optimistic world he knew has been revised into a darker timeline where past events are now infused with violence, hatred, anger and monstrosity. The Flash battles his way back to reality and learns that this changed existence is the result of a mad scientist's experiments with time and space. The Flash's return restores hope and love to the universe and offers the chance for repair and renewal.
Part 4 of SLIDERS REBORN, which I wrote early last year, is set in 2001, where Quinn describes four years of wonderful adventures with the original sliders until he was caught in the Combine experiment of "The Unstuck Man," which altered history and left Quinn unstuck, witnessing an altered history where Wade and the Professor were dead, home had been invaded and the multiverse was filled with supernatural monsters and paranormal threats. The situation is revealed to be the result of Dr. Geiger's spacetime experiment where Quinn and his doubles were erased, resulting in a corrupted reality and the nightmare version of the life Quinn knew. Quinn battles his way back to reality and is eventually able to restore the original timeline.
A friend remarked, "You're so far ahead of the curve that you're behind it!" Which is to say that superhero comics have clearly been imprinted on my brain, but I've learned all I can from them and should start studying something new for narrative techniques. Maybe opera!
3,971 2016-05-26 22:53:31
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (927 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Well. Comics aren't really subject to conventional narrative or marketing rules for a variety of reasons. Crazy stuff like this is often necessary to keep the characters in the public view, even within the confines of publishing. When Captain America, Spider-Man, Iron Man, Superman, the X-Men, the Fantastic Four and Batman were created, their creators had no idea that they were starting a decade-spanning, serially ongoing, continuity based narrative with a floating timeline and a shared universe.
Eventually, the creators had to choose what they could change and what had to stay the same as they couldn't keep writing 60s era stories when in the 70s and 80s. Sometimes, the choices were effective. Sometimes they were a mistake. Sometimes, creators and companies stuck to their guns and carried forward, other times, they decided to use the flexibility of the medium to roll things backwards.
Spider-Man, for example, graduated from high school and went to university. With the X-Men, sales were low and Marvel cancelled the book, later reviving it with a largely overhauled cast that proved to be more popular than the first generation. Things changed for both Spidey and the X-Men: Peter Parker married Mary Jane and she got pregnant. With the X-Men, Jean Grey died, Magneto became a hero, Cyclops got married and retired, Professor Xavier left the X-Men in the hands of Magneto while he went off to space. Barry Allen died and Wally West replaced him. The feeling was that these characters would only ever exist in comic books, so comics were free to evolve and change and rework constantly, often making what would theoretically be irreversible changes.
In the 90s, however, Marvel started selling their TV and movie rights and suddenly, there became an urgent need to start rolling back all the changes; to make the comics reflect the default version that a TV show, cartoon or film would use. For the X-Men, all the changes were undone. Magneto reverted to villainy, Jean Grey was resurrected, Cyclops' wife was revealed to be some sort of demon queen and the clock rewound. The fact that previous comics had shown the X-Men to have outgrown this 'classic' situation was discounted.
With Spider-Man, Marvel attempted to retire Peter Parker and bring in a new Spider-Man, a clone named Ben Reilly. The sales crash made it clear that fans' loyalty was not to the costume and the name, but to the specific character, and Peter was reinstated with a time travel plot later undoing his marriage to Mary Jane.
With Wally West, DC saw which way the wind was blowing and decided to make their FLASH comics reflect any future TV show rather than see a TV show force their hand. When Wally became the Flash, the creators had no way of knowing that TV adaptations would be made, that superheroes could become filmable, that their third gen Flash would have a story too complicated to render onscreen.
All this experimentation, some incompetent and some brilliant, eventually made it clear: the comics would inevitably revert to the default status quo that a TV show or film would use. But in the 2000s, Marvel and DC began experimenting with making the kinds of massive changes they'd always had to roll back -- except this time, they would plan out in advance how the rollback would take place and make the experience a strong journey with some lasting effects here.
For example, Captain America was killed off and there was a multi-year story where we saw how the Marvel Universe coped without Steve Rogers and Bucky had to step up and grow a lot. Meanwhile, Norman Osborn took over the Marvel Universe. Eventually, Steve returned, toppled Osborn, but Bucky remained Captain America until his Winter Soldier past was exposed and he stepped down. Things went back to how they started, but the circle was a fun ride.
3,972 2016-05-26 17:42:57
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (927 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
There have been hundreds of stories where Superman murders Lois or Spider-Man is killed stone dead or Daredevil goes insane or where Captain America is turned into a werewolf or a robot or dead -- well, maybe 10 or 20.
This fakeout of Captain America being evil and having been all along merely got published during a slow newsweek. Marvel consistently refused to refute the media presenting Cap and Spidey's deaths as permanent; Joe Quesada even went on Colbert to mourn Steve Rogers' death and present Colbert with Cap's shield.
The DAREDEVIL storyline, SHADOWLAND, had posters where a deranged Matt Murdock grinned murderously at the reader while the text read: THE BIRTH OF THE GREATEST VILLAIN OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE (without any fine print to say that this would all be wrapped up inside four months with Matt back to normal right away). The hype is not the story. The hype should not be reviewed as the equivalent of the story. Of course things will go back to normal; the fun is in seeing how that can happen. Given that the characters can't change permanently, there's nothing wrong with making a meal out of changing them temporarily.
I think my trauma over SLIDERS is part of why I like how all these insane things can happen to superheroes in comics -- the idea that all these mutilating, destructive things can happen to these characters, and they can still come back.
As for Barry Allen, I already wrote about the necessity of bringing him back (and you responded to it!). To copy paste what I wrote:
DC has given no official statements on why they got rid of Wally West and brought back Barry Allen, but the reasoning seems self-evident to me. Wally West was too complicated a character for film and TV.
Wally's origin: Barry Allen is a police scientist who was doused in chemicals struck by lightning that gave him superspeed and then Barry's nephew was struck in a similar accident and became Kid Flash and then Barry died and Wally became the successor to Barry as the third Flash because there was actually a first Flash and who the hell would bother with any of this crap for a TV show or a movie?
All adaptations either used Barry's origin with Wally West's name or just used Barry. DC, realizing that it was only a matter of time before the Flash became a TV show or film, decided to get in line with what would be the most widely seen version of the Flash -- a Flash who is Barry Allen, police scientist. CSI with superpowers. Barry was brought back to life. His absence since 1986 was compressed to a year or two and explained with a cover story of him having been in witness protection.
3,973 2016-05-26 15:58:54
Re: DC Superheroes in Film (1943 - 2024) (1,098 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
It's the original Wally. Sorry, I thought that was clear from saying he was erased in 2011 and that he tries to find Linda. I've edited the post.
3,974 2016-05-26 15:33:47
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (927 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
That comment strikes me, rather alarmingly, as someone reviewing the news coverage of the story rather than the story. As for the fact that this isn't a permanent change -- why would anyone want it to be? Ultimately, characters in comics loop back to where they started; it's a cycle of mythology/marketability.
It's just a question of whether this is a SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN type long-term story where Dr. Octopus controlled Peter's body for 20 months or if it's a SHADOWLAND type story where Daredevil was a cackling supervillain for all of 120 days before it turned out he'd been possessed by a demon.
It's a perfectly acceptable narrative technique to present a radically altered backstory and mission of the character that reveals them to be a traitor to everything they ever represented -- only to reveal that it's part of a ruse. Or that the Red Skull has used the Cosmic Cube to alter Cap's history to transform him from an enemy into an ally. And to follow up with a Captain America from the original timeline entering the story or Cap to reveal his secret plan, etc..
With SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN, fans rioted over Peter Parker being killed off as though Marvel would permanently remove such a popular character from publishing. A year and eight months without Peter Parker was a way to examine his morality and purpose through the absence of both; Marvel's doing something similar with Cap and of course they're not going to give away the full story through interviews.
I see this as an interesting exercise: what if Cap's most positive characteristics were applied to villainy?
3,975 2016-05-26 15:29:48
Re: DC Superheroes in Film (1943 - 2024) (1,098 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Very interesting comic came out this week: DC UNIVERSE REBIRTH. It's written by Geoff Johns, who has taken over as the Kevin Feige equivalent of the DC Cinematic Universe and has written a lot of mythically unifying superhero comics over the years. I think it's the mission statement for the DC movies going forward.
Johns wrote GREEN LANTERN, HAWKMAN and THE FLASH and he started writing them at a time when Green Lantern had become a mass-murdering supervillain who'd killed all his comrades and died, Hawkman had become a confused mess of conflicting timelines and the Flash was dead and had been replaced by his nephew.
With Green Lantern, Johns resurrected the character and all his friends and found a way to reveal that the villainous GL had been mind-controlled and that all the dead friends were in stasis and alive. With Hawkman, Johns used the character's reincarnation-backstory to justify all the contradictory continuity. With the Flash, Johns used the idea of the character having been suspended in the Speed Force to justify his return. With Green Lantern, Johns re-established that GL is part of an intergalactic police force. With Hawkman, Johns focused on the extended lifespan of the character and his historical experience. With the Flash, Johns focused on the character as a forensic police scientist.
Ever since the 2011 reboot, the DC superheroes have been hit and miss. Establishing that superheroes have only been in play for five years eliminated a lot of history. The comics also had a hyperviolent and angry tone that was often at odds with the series. A lot of the continuity was contradictory; how can Batman have a 10-year-old son? How can there have been past generations of Teen Titans? Also, the BATMAN and GREEN LANTERN titles continued their pre-reboot plotlines but in the post-reboot universe, except those plots depended on past events that had now been erased.
REBIRTH has Wally West, the third Flash (the redhaired one), unstuck in time. He was erased in the 2011 reboot. Here, he's drifting from moment to moment, witnessing the new history of this rebooted DC Universe and comparing it to the history he knows. He notes that this is a world where Green Arrow and Black Canary barely know each other -- and they live with a constant emptiness and sense of loss they can't explain. He sees Johnny Thunder of the Justice Society in an asylum, having gone mad from searching for the JSA which never existed in this new timeline. Superman and Batman aren't friends.
This rebooted timeline is described as corrupted. Cynical and grim. Love and hope are broken concepts in this damaged reality. The heroes are angry. Disturbed. Violent. Detached. Their lack of family and friendship makes them weak and alone. Wally, drifting and decaying into the Speed Force, seeks a familiar friend to anchor him to this reality. He sees the other Wally West -- the African American one, a cousin of Wally's. They were both named after the same grandfather. But his cousin never met him and cannot be his anchor. Wally seeks out Batman, but Batman doesn't remember him. He finds Linda, but she has no memory of him.
And then, losing cohesion, he visits Barry Allen -- the second Flash -- the only Flash in this corrupted timeline. Wally thanks his uncle for everything despite knowing Barry doesn't remember him. Wally says good-bye, surrendering to the Speed Force, knowing his individuality and memory will be lost.
But then Barry remembers Wally and rips him out of the Speed Force. Uncle and nephew hug, Barry crying, "How could I ever forget you?" Wally says that someone outside of time reached in and turned the heroes dark and grim, made them detached and lost.
But now that Wally's back, they can begin to restore what was taken away. Even now, says Wally, they're being watched by some malevolent being plotting war.
On the surface of the planet Mars, we find out who this figure is who created this corrupted timeline and stole history from our heroes. It's Dr. Manhattan. Yes, the character from WATCHMEN, last seen declaring his intention to create new life based on his interests, has removed what he deemed inefficient and distracting and unnecessary from the DC Universe -- history, family, legacy and hope. Wally believes a war is coming. A war against apathy, despair, indifference and cynicism.
So -- this comic is very clearly a rejection of a lot of the comics and films that DC and WB have been releasing as of late, and an outright condemnation of WATCHMEN and its effect on comic books and films -- and written by the man in charge of the films now.
At least that's how it seems to me. I'm sure Informant will have his own spin?
3,976 2016-05-25 16:51:19
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (927 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I can't believe anyone is taking this Cap has been a HYDRA agent all along plot seriously. It is so obviously a sting operation.
... well. I kind of like it as a story? I guess I've been reading comics so long that this sort of thing doesn't startle me at all anymore and I continue to enjoy seeing it anyway.
3,977 2016-05-23 09:22:40
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Terrifying dream:
DAN HARMON: "So who do we want to play Quinn Mallory's teenaged daughter?"
ME: "Uh -- well, she would have to look like a teenaged Zoe McLellan, right? So we find someone who has the same jawline."
DAN HARMON: "I admire your literalism, it must be so tranquil and unchallenging. But fine. If we aim for matching McLellan's jawline, we go with someone like this."
DAN HARMON: "Or we go for someone who can mimic Jerry's temperament and screen presence instead of someone who resembles an actress who played Jerry's female double in one episode."
ME: "Which temperament are we talking about?"
DAN HARMON: "Well, for me, the definitive Quinn-scene would be from 'Gillian' where Quinn is sitting in the chair, listening to Gillian talk about her problems and full of earnest empathy matched with the vision and intelligence of a genius. This girl has that look."
ME: "But she doesn't look like Zoe McLellan -- "
DAN HARMON: "God damn it. I quit. I hear Josef Anderson is available and he's clearly more your speed, you hack. Have fun trying to decide which actress plays a character in your imaginary project that isn't actually getting filmed."
ME: "You TAKE THAT BACK! YOU TAKE THAT -- "
At this point, I woke up.
3,978 2016-05-22 20:11:05
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I keep seeing SLIDERS resembling superhero comics where I suddenly realized that a confusing plot problem could be addressed by bringing in a guest-character who appeared in one scene of one episode and this character's presence would immediately justify all the weird contortions of the plot.
3,979 2016-05-22 19:33:51
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I have cracked the screen on my smartphone. The tempered glass protector has a tiny, circular opening for the front-facing camera. There's a crack next to the camera lens. Probably from one of the times I dropped it.
Oh well! It was only a $160 phone. And I never use the front facing camera anyway. It's fine. I wonder if it's still waterproof, though.
3,980 2016-05-20 15:02:27
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I enjoyed LoT much in the same way I enjoyed the better episodes of SMALLVILLE and also AGE OF ULTRON and CIVIL WAR -- it wasn't deep, but it was engaging and fun superhero escapist fantasy. As for why it wasn't particularly satisfying -- I suspect it's simply because LoT lacked the strong character work and philosophical depth that elevates a series from functional to exceptional. Most of the characters are in the same place they were at the start of the series.
Mick Rory remains the gruff and not entirely trustworthy teammate despite having spent centuries as Chronos. Leonard Snart remained self-serving without being evil and his sacrifice was hardly unexpected. Ray Palmer remains earnest and brilliant while being utterly incompetent. Professor Stein remains high minded but often arrogant. Jax remains rough but deviously clever. Rip Hunter remains heroic but troubled and manipulative. Kendra remains well-meaning and unsure of her power. Carter Hall remains arrogant and loyal. Sara remains a charismatic former assassin.
A lot of things have happened to them and they've done some things that are a stretch for their characters, but their dialogue and the performances don't really reflect any of it. It's not exactly BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER where Spike went from being a murderous sadist to a hero. Admittedly, all that takes time, but LoT had a lot of significant stuff happen (Chronos, Ray and Kendra's lengthy layover) with little to no real impact. Ray and Mick mention how they were settled down/training with Time Masters, but their dialogue and behaviour are no different from before these events. When characters are the same at the end as they were at the beginning, it feels like their adventures were just filling time.
It reminds me a bit of SMALLVILLE at its worst where Clark caused his mother's miscarriage and became a petty supervillain in Metropolis who did henchman work for a crime boss and lived a life of absurd luxury during which he threatened both Chloe and Lana only for the following week to have him milking cows and working on the student newspaper and exchanging longing looks with Lana like none of it ever happened.
3,981 2016-05-19 20:45:07
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I always enjoyed Marvel editor in chief Joe Quesada declaring that DC might as well call themselves AOL Comics as that would at least mean something. That logo is simply two letters in a circle. Personally, I think that DC might be better off using the individual emblem for each hero (Green Arrow's arrowhead, the Flash's lightning bolt, etc.) and just put DC COMICS next to it.
3,982 2016-05-19 17:06:01
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (927 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I liked it up to a point. My problem was with Hive's plan to turn the vast majority of humans into mindless drones. I ultimately found that so fanciful that I didn't believe it would actually happen, given that AGENTS OF SHIELD needs to exist in the larger Marvel Cinematic Universe. And I also didn't feel the show sold us on the dehumanizing horror of that -- all those SHIELD agents get turned and while the team are angry about it, they were all extras.
So I would have shifted Hive's plan -- where his ability to sway Daisy and others would have become global over anyone with Inhuman potential, and he'd be able to turn people against their families and friends the way he turned Daisy. Then, the show would be threatening a horror we'd already experienced and could fear -- and also, if Hive is swaying people covertly, then this could be conceivably playing out even while the next THOR movie is taking place.
That said, I definitely felt all the character moments and I really liked how, as you said, Lincoln and Hive ended up having a quite, civil conversation as they awaited their fates. The end teaser with Daisy using her powers to super-jump was also stunning.
3,983 2016-05-17 15:28:32
Re: Jerry O'Connell hides from Tom Cruise (2 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Amusingly, Tom Cruise used to be Jerry's idol. Jerry worked with him on JERRY MAGUIRE and Jerry's post-SLIDERS career was a shabby and deformed attempt at mimicking Cruise's trajectory as a heartthrob leading man whose good looks would win over an audience. Jerry neglected to develop Cruise's gift for performing characters and making them likable, compelling, forceful, convincing, charismatic and morally admirable -- but Jerry's sneering, smirking, swaggering performances after SLIDERS are very obviously modelled on what he thought Tom Cruise was good at.
During the period where Jerry was reinventing himself from failed would-be movie star to working class TV actor, Jerry again cited Tom Cruise as a model of physical fitness and a good example for him.
The weird thing is, as a Quinn-obsessive, I do feel that the Tom Cruise persona is a part of Quinn -- there is the part of Quinn who comes off as ridiculously attractive young man (who even when middle-aged looks young) who is always good at absolutely everything from bartending to stunt driving to flying planes to combat to science. But there is also another side to Quinn -- the neurotic, isolated, socially stunted loner who lives in his own head and has no concept of teamwork and is so lost in endless thought that he forgets to do laundry or get haircuts.
3,984 2016-05-16 16:38:18
Re: Supernatural (267 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Singer has partnered with every showrunner on SUPERNATURAL from the creator of the series to Sera Gamble and Jeremy Carver. It's nothing new. Singer did take a slight reduction in responsibilities Season 11 so that he wasn't managing things day to day as much as he used to, but his role wasn't any different. I don't think Singer will be writing much of anything; his credits on SUPERNATURAL for writing were largely when somebody else's script needed to be rewritten, giving him a co-writing credit. As for "Bloodlines," that seemed to be a clear case of too much interference reducing the script to a painful mess rather than any reflection on Dabb himself.
3,985 2016-05-16 15:47:42
Re: Supernatural (267 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Robert Singer has been part of running the show since Season 1; he was Eric Kripke's partner and he's been involved in the show ever since. However, I don't really see Singer as a story-oriented producer. Although he weighs in and encourages and discourages certain things, he's more of a practical producer -- sets, actors, locations, filming schedules, makeup budgets, etc..
A huge part of SUPERNATURAL's excellence is that they know what they can and can't do well on a TV budget and they have a very skillful approach to rendering wars in heaven and the Apocalypse in a way that feels convincing without breaking the bank. And a lot of that is Robert Singer's experience as a director and producer, helping the writers realize their stories in a way that can be filmed and aired with the resources they have -- like saying that having the angels teleport onscreen would be too costly, but having them disappear from the frame between cuts would be effective.
Singer's expertise is why SUPERNATURAL has generally been able to avoid embarrassments like SMALLVILLE building up a Clark/Doomsday fight that lasted 30 seconds or having an 'epic' Season 10 finale consisting of people standing around talking. However, I don't see Singer has having as strong a voice as a writer -- he's more a guy who helps other writers execute their stories workably and visually while giving dialogue a bit of a polish like adding Dean's wisecracks.
SUPERNATURAL has had a lot of writers leave because they'd used up their ideas and felt it was time to move on before they started hacking out their work. Singer, despite being on the show since Season 1, has never experienced this and I think it's because he's not called upon to create ideas, but to help other people realize their ideas.
Andrew Dabb has been on the show since Season 4 and produced many fine scripts.The only script of his I really disliked was that absurd "Bloodlines" backdoor pilot.
3,986 2016-05-15 16:29:18
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (927 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
The problem with the CIVIL WAR crossover in comics, in my view -- the Registration Act should have been played consistently as something ambiguous; some heroes are for it, some are against it and the audience is free to choose which side they support. The core CIVIL WAR series by Mark Millar was cautiously non-committal. However, Marvel editorial encouraged every writer writing the tie-ins to use their own opinions. The writers scripting NEW AVENGERS, SPIDER-MAN were largely against Registration and proceeded to portray the Pro-Registration side as the villains. As a result, the readers got the impression that Captain America's team of Secret Avengers were supposed to be the heroes, full stop.
The tie-ins that were Pro-Registration (IRON MAN, FANTASTIC FOUR, SHE-HULK, MS. MARVEL), due to scheduling, came out much later than the Anti-Registration tie-ins and contained the Pro-Registration heroes' justifications -- but the impression that the Pro-Registration side was wrong had become impossible to overturn for the readers who thought the message was that these were the (reluctant) bad guys. As a result, Captain America surrendering to the Pro-Registration side in the CIVIL WAR mini-series came off very awkwardly.
Straczynski seemed to have some sort of breakdown while scripting the CIVIL WAR tie-ins. His work on AMAZING SPIDER-MAN was completely out of sync with the CIVIL WAR mini-series. The reason for that was partially due to Straczynski's style and politics; his view is that all governments are inherently untrustworthy and self-serving, so his version of CIVIL WAR wasn't going to be ambiguous over which side was right. The other part of it -- there were some strange miscommunications throughout; Straczynski was given script pages that mistakenly gave him the impression that Anti-Registration heroes would be imprisoned without trial permanently when Millar's pages were meant to present it as a temporary option. Straczynski was told that Iron Man and the Fantastic Four would profit hugely from the government contracts with Registration; he wasn't informed that all those profits were going to relief funds for survivors of superman battles. As a result, he thought the Proi-Registration side was evil.
Straczynski also scripted FANTASTIC FOUR and he visibly failed to explain why Mr. Fantastic would support the Registration Act, having Mr. Fantastic declare that the law was the law and had to be obeyed. Straczynski, after completing this issue, quit FANTASTIC FOUR in mid-storyline, again confessing that he just couldn't figure out why this character would behave in this way. The subsequent writer who completed the story had Mr. Fantastic reveal that he was mathematically predicting future events, and he believed a terrible superhuman disaster would result without the Registration Act. Later tie-ins would also reveal that Tony Stark felt that superheroes may explore and save people, but ultimately, they fight and would eventually fight each other and terrify the populace and that Registration was inevitable, but with Tony's involvement, it could be humane and empowering instead of fascistic and horrific.
3,987 2016-05-15 16:09:56
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (927 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Sarcasm aside, I don't know what you're arguing for at this point that isn't increasingly detached from anything resembling objective reality. You want to say that BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN is just as successful as CIVIL WAR but CIVIL WAR is receiving preferential treatment lauding its success when CIVIL WAR has earned more in two weeks than BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN has earned in eight.
You want to argue that BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN is actually doing better from an American standpoint when these giant budgeted blockbusters are designed for both domestic and foreign markets. You insist that BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN is a much loved film when the reaction from critics and the audience has ranged from middling to negative. You declare that the production and marketing budgets should not be a concern in measuring success even though CIVIL WAR likely spent just as much as Warner Bros. did on BVS.
Also, you insisted earlier that JUNGLE BOOK can't be considered to be doing that much better than BVS when it has a similar budget and earnings when JUNGLE BOOK has earned in four weeks about as much as BVS earned in eight.
You liked BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN. That's up to you and I am glad you enjoyed it (a sentiment to which you previously responded with 519 words of rage). You feel the Marvel Cinematic Universe "doesn't work" creatively, but you also want to argue that it doesn't work monetarily with claims that Netflix overspends on New York filming (based on your estimates on cost) while declaring that BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN's theorized marketing budget shouldn't be considered (as there are no estimates you feel you trust).
This petulance matched with your meltdown in the DC thread is looking increasingly like tantrums over reality not matching your personal preferences. It would suggest you've just decided that you'll insist upon the supremacy of DC cinema in every area regardless of facts and figures when the only area in which you can reasonably argue their superiority right now is that you personally prefer one to the other. Which, quite frankly, is the only argument you ever need to make when it comes to film and TV.
3,988 2016-05-15 15:07:31
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (927 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
CIVIL WAR has been out for two weeks and earned 950 million dollars globally. BATMAN VS SUPERMAN has been out for eight weeks and earned 870 million dollars globally.
I don't think it's hard to see that CIVIL WAR's box office drop is dropping from much higher earnings than BVS. CIVIL WAR probably cost as much as BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN to make and market. There is no way that CIVIL WAR could be reasonably portrayed as anything but a financial success. I also don't think it's hard to see that Warner Bros. would have hoped for CIVIL WAR level success with BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN.
3,989 2016-05-14 17:21:35
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (927 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
An interesting recurring line in CIVIL WAR was, "You move." It's from the AMAZING SPIDER-MAN issues that tied into CIVIL WAR which show the event from Peter Parker's perspective. In the stories leading up to CIVIL WAR, Peter had joined the Avengers and taken a job as Tony Stark's protege and second in command. Tony, choosing to help the US Government with the Registration Act, tells Peter that he must reveal his identity to the authorities or become a criminal. Spider-Man unmasks at a massive press conference and joins the Avengers (Iron Man, Captain Marvel, the Fantastic Four, Giant Man, Wonder Man) against the Anti-Registration heroes (Captain America, the Young Avengers, etc.).
However, Spider-Man experiences a crisis of conscience when Tony threatens Peter with imprisonment if he doesn't remain loyal to the Registration heroes, imprisons captured Anti-Registration without trial, accepts billions in no-bid security contracts with numerous countries to enforce Registration, drafts supervillains into hunting down Cap's forces -- and Spider-Man decides to switch sides. Iron Man attacks him and Spider-Man defeats Tony, then meets Captain America.
Spidey says he's not sure what to do -- he cannot stomach the Registration's measures, but the whole world seems sure that Registration is right and that the Anti-Registration heroes are turncoat criminals. Cap tells Spider-Man that a real patriot aligns one's self with what's right and true and that when the rest of the world is insisting on moving away from the river of truth, a true patriot says, "No. You move."
Interestingly, these issues, written by J. Michael Straczynski, were largely undone by continuity and the rest of the CIVIL WAR event. The hostile, threatening Tony Stark of the AMAZING SPIDER-MAN issues was well-meaning and earnest in the main CIVIL WAR series; the supervillains were shown to be totally controlled by mental implants, all the profits from the no-bid contracts were shown to be going into funds for victims of superhuman battles, Stark was looking for ways to help his friends get out of prison, etc..
These issues are also an odd fit with the CIVIL WAR mini-series where Cap surrenders to the Pro-Registration heroes after seeing the fear that normal people have towards the heroes fighting.
Tony would later declare that he'd done wrong with Peter -- and helped Dr. Strange and Mr. Fantastic erase the world's memory of Spidey's secret identity, allowing Peter to resume a normal life again. The CIVIL WAR editor, Tom Brevoort, noted that he'd not edited the AMAZING SPIDER-MAN issues as he wasn't the SPIDER-MAN editor, and that Tony's villainous characterization should not have been scripted that way.
The AMAZING SPIDER-MAN issues were an anomaly, and writer J. Michael Straczynski would confess he couldn't wrap his head around Tony being Pro-Registration and he saw Registration as fascist and morally unacceptable -- as opposed to the CIVIL WAR mini-series presenting Registration in a highly ambiguous fashion. Straczynski quit SPIDER-MAN shortly after this, saying he wasn't good at crossovers and he wished he hadn't gotten involved. The Marvel Universe moved on.
But it's cool that they used his dialogue. (Sorry, Informant.)
3,990 2016-05-14 05:33:51
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (927 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I don't know. As much as I like the shared universe ambition, I'll be the first to declare that shared universes are often a contradictory mess of opposing genres existing in the same space. Even the Marvel Comics universe is kind of a mess with the X-Men hated and feared while the Fantastic Four are loved and adored. AGENTS OF SHIELD, in its first season, seemed like an awkward student fan film rather than being set in the MCU proper while the Netflix material has convinced me that it's the life on the street perspective of the big movies. I agree that a crossover isn't necessary, but AGENTS OF SHIELD really stepped up with WINTER SOLDIER and AGE OF ULTRON, creating the illusion of both fitting into each other well with Coulson's near-season-long secret built into the climax of AGE OF ULTRON -- the terrifying, super-secret weapon was a means of evacuating civilians.
It's probably not as big a deal as it seems, but the CAP3 screenwriters confessing they were totally ignorant of AGENTS OF SHIELD was a huge blow to the sense that it all matters. AGENTS OF SHIELD treated CAP3's registration accords as a minor side detail at best; the tie-in was perfunctory.
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Tony shouting that Steve didn't deserve the shield and Steve leaving it on the ground next to Tony was a really bittersweet moment as Steve tried to show some measure of grace towards Tony's anger.
3,991 2016-05-14 05:10:33
Re: Earth Prime site updates (18 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Oh, at one point, Matt asked me to review Ian McDuffie's PARADISE LOST: THE COMIC BOOK, a volume that I personally consider unreviewable, resulting in this essay:
3,992 2016-05-13 18:42:16
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
So, I did the unthinkable -- I upgraded my iPad Mini 2 from iOS 8.1.3 to 9.3.1. I hadn't planned on it. I liked all my jailbreak tweaks. But there turned out to be a new feature that made upgrading worthwhile for me, and it didn't even come from Apple. Google released a new iOS keyboard app, Gboard, with swipe-typing, and it was only for iOS 9 and up.
Swipe-typing is so convenient and speedy -- I just couldn't see myself doing without it if it were available. I was kind of nervous because my iPad 2 went from being a capable tablet to a lagging mess after a few rounds of upgrades, but after some obsessive Googling indicated that poor iOS 9 performance on the Mini 2 was anomalous, I did the (irreversible) upgrade.
It's good. A few of the animations are a little laggy here and there, but it doesn't affect usage at all. I liked having the jailbreak feature of pattern unlock and miss it. Jailbreaking also allowed a blue light filter, but thankfully, iOS 9 has one installed. However, the occasional pause for animations makes me think that upgrading any further would be pushing my luck when downgrading isn't possible.
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This final chapter of SLIDERS REBORN keeps giving me pause for thought and I keep wondering if maybe I've gotten overattached to a certain idea. I keep saying that I see the sliders as superhero characters and that the final installment is SLIDERS doing a superhero movie. But -- well, there are certain aspects of superhero films that wouldn't suit the characters at all (like costumes). The main thing I wanted to do -- I didn't want Quinn to ever throw a single punch and to present a version of Quinn Mallory who has become so powerful through his mastery of sliding that he never has to use violence. But it is *really* difficult to work out situations of physical threat and danger in this fashion and I don't know if I can maintain it. On some level, it is again an instance of personal bias. There was a poster awhile back on this Bboard who kept insisting that Quinn's maturity was best represented through Quinn beating people up and shooting them on a regular basis which made me feel compelled to write a script around rejecting that viewpoint entirely. However, this has put me in a situation where Quinn's pacifism might have become an authorial decision rather than a character decision.
3,993 2016-05-13 17:39:07
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (927 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Just got back from seeing CIVIL WAR. I liked it! It wasn't the cinematic event of the century and it wasn't as significant as I would have liked, but it was very character oriented and very focused on the personal conflicts that become physical ones. It was a very enjoyable piece of fantasy escapism with a lot of strong emotional points. The humour throughout kept the film lighthearted and fun and actually made the more serious moments stand out when the jokes disappear.
I also liked how CIVIL WAR worked in a lot of references to the previous films in a respectful way, like Steve saying "I could do this all day" or the fact that Tony blames himself more than anyone else specifically because he insisted on creating Ultron. The film did a great job of giving every character a significant visual moment and there were really tender moments like the Falcon abandoning Steve and Bucky because he saw War Machine go down.
In terms of consequences, I think killing any one of the heroes off would have pushed the film too far into the bloody vengeance that the Black Panther specifically rebukes and refuses to engage in to the point of refusing to let his father's killer die.
In terms of the criticisms -- anyone looking for a specific political statement in a Marvel Cinematic Film might as well complain that a car sucks because it can't serve as a boat. This is hardly meant to be Serious Cinema. It's a children's fantasy presented for a family audience. Those seeking superhero films of infinite grimness and misery have already had their turn this year.
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The INHUMANS movie was a pet project for ousted Marvel Film executive Ike Perlmutter whose anger over FOX hanging onto the X-MEN rights had him declare that Marvel's film and publishing would use the Inhumans as a replacement for mutants -- hence their increased presence in AGENTS OF SHIELD and the plan to lead to an INHUMANS film -- except Perlmutter was removed from the film side, so while he's still doing the TV and Netflix material, the films are no longer pursuing Perlmutter's interests. In fact, the CIVIL WAR writers were told they needn't even watch AGENTS OF SHIELD.
3,994 2016-05-12 17:21:00
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (927 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
This is painful, especially when there were reports of ABC being keen to find some way to renew it in the way FRINGE got renewed every year. But the truth is that even the Season 2 renewal was a miracle. The series was CRAZY expensive due to the period setting, even with the short episode orders. ABC stuck with the show and received a ratings bomb for AGENT CARTER's second season. However, given the mighty Marvel machine, I don't really think this is the end for AGENT CARTER; there'll probably be a series of view on demand episodes at some point in some form and format, if only to wrap the series up properly.
3,995 2016-05-12 16:41:08
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I would prefer to see SUPERGIRL continue as it has, albeit with fine-tuning the series a bit so that its contradictory elements aren't so contradictory. The massive budget cut that will result from shifting to the CW network? I'd handle that by having at least one-third of the season be Supergirl-light episodes in the way Superman was usually a cameo role on LOIS AND CLARK. Nothing wrong with focusing on Kara Danvers instead of Kara Zor-El for a few weeks at a time.
As for the problem of the DEO and CATCO being two separate and contradictory entities -- I'd merge the two where the DEO starts using CATCO as a cover for its operations and none of the CATCO employees notice that their workplace has been unknowingly re-purposed into an information center for spies. I'd shift Winn into working at the DEO full-time and put Jimmy in a CATCO outpost in the city as a crime reporter, and have him supporting Kara in the Supergirl-lite stories while Winn and Alex feature heavily in the Supergirl-centric adventures. This would also allow for hiring the the supporting actors for 13 episodes a year instead of the full 22 the way SMALLVILLE would handle cast.
If Mehcad Brooks has to leave, send him back to Metropolis and have him return occasionally as a guest-star. If Callista Flockhart can't stay on full time, I'd like her to be running her empire from afar and to be a constant voiceover/cell phone presence -- maybe she's just globe-trotting but literally phoning in her work. If Jeremy Jordan doesn't stay, have him hired by the DEO on a secret mission. If Chyler Leigh can't be retained, have her searching for Dean Cain offscreen. If David Harewood doesn't make the jump to LA... well, he's the god-damn Martian Manhunter; he can have a different face.
But yeah, I guess you could have Supergirl fall into the ARROWverse as well.
3,996 2016-05-11 15:46:11
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Or they just start doing flash forward every episode! I mean, they flashed forward twice this season and it worked out awesome!
3,997 2016-05-10 19:56:04
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (927 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Well, any movie that enters $700 million in two weeks is still a runaway success.
3,998 2016-05-10 18:18:51
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (927 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Question: Does anyone know the marketing budget for Civil War? I did a quick search, but couldn't find it.
Not sure, but any movie that makes $700 million in five days can be considered a runaway success even if it spent BVS levels in marketing and production.
3,999 2016-05-09 20:54:49
Re: Supernatural (267 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I always thought the show had generally compared God (as opposed to Chuck) to John Winchester, specifically in Season 4 - 5 where the angels, in the absence of God, are running along their pre-determined course to bring about the Apocalypse, deprived of free will much as John took away Sam and Dean's choices and drafted them into monster hunting. Dean explicitly describes God (again, as opposed to Chuck) as a "deadbeat dad with a lot of excuses."
In Season 6, it's revealed that Castiel, after Lucifer was sealed, immediately announced to the angels that God had given them all their freedom, which would appear to be the end goal of God subsuming himself entirely in the Chuck personality and only intervening in small ways (rescuing Sam and Dean and providing them with exposition to get them in the same place). Once the angels had free will and the Apocalypse was averted, God retired entirely and Chuck became the whole personality.
Of course, this led to additional problems: the free-willed angels were eager to get the Apocalypse back on track, much to God and Castiel's dismay. Castiel unlocked the Leviathans, Sam unlocked Amara, Lucifer impersonated God by using John Winchester's face in visions for Sam and Chuck threw his hands in the air and gave up.
I thought it was pretty neat how Rob Benedict maintain's Chuck's affable, vulnerable persona until Megatron calls him a coward, at which point Benedict affects an enraged, vengeful presence and his face seems like little more than a mask for a terrifying force behind it, only for the final scenes to see both sides of Chuck merged into one as Chuck plays the guitar. Also, the episode seems to be annoying people who are always fun to annoy with its apparently offensive claims that Chuck is hands-off and is in some ways inferior to humans.
4,000 2016-05-09 13:21:53
Re: Supernatural (267 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
It struck me as making the point that Chuck has free will; that he can make decisions (such as in Season 5 when he declared through Joshua that he was done interfering with humanity and angels and demons) and then note that occasionally, his children need a hand and he has to step in now and then.
The main point this episode made, at least for me, is that Chuck isn't THE God of the Bible, the divine shaper of all existence and events. Chuck is just the guy who originated existence in the way you or I might produce children without planning and controlling every aspect of their lives. And every child has to realize that their parents and caregivers aren't infallible and perfect and are in fact no less prone to error and screwups.
4,001 2016-05-09 10:41:06
Re: Supernatural (267 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
It seems rather arbitrary to me to declare that everything Chuck in this episode was a lie because he's been involved in previous episodes, especially when those past episode are addressed in dialogue. Chuck outright states that his appearances in Seasons 4 - 5 were because he wanted a "good seat" for the Apocalypse and that "acting's fun" and later, Metatron says that the "deadline" is Amara destroying all of reality, which Chuck doesn't deny at all. The episode repeatedly highlights how Chuck can't / doesn't / won't control people. And also, if Chuck was going to get involved all along, it would undermine what this episode has to say about Chuck stepping back from reality to encourage choice and free will -- which he demonstrates by deciding to intervene in Amara's fog.
4,002 2016-05-09 04:25:36
Re: Supernatural (267 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I see nothing onscreen to indicate that Chuck's sentiments (not wanting to get involved, allowing Amara to destroy Earth) were anything but genuine -- and I don't see anything onscreen to suggest that Chuck deciding to intervene at the end of the episode wasn't a decision spurred by Metatron convincing him to do so.
4,003 2016-05-08 15:03:19
Re: Supernatural (267 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
It struck me that SUPERNATURAL actually divorced itself from religion and theology with this episode of SUPERNATURAL where we finally get Chuck's point of view. He was masquerading as Chuck in every previous episode; everytime Chuck expressed fear or suicidal impulses, it was a performance, albeit a performance where he began transitioning into the Chuck persona so deeply that it became his identity as God as well.
"Don't Call Me Shurley" point-blank declares that God isn't omnipotent or omniscient, nor does he have a grand design or any kind of plan for existence. The human race, Earth and the angels were simply "experiments" and his creations often had unexpected situations and results such as turning evil, resurrecting brothers better off dead or demonic, etc.. Chuck claims he "barely" contained Amara the first time and that he also couldn't predict future events, which would explain why his maneuvering Sam and Dean into containing Lucifer saw the subsequent apocalypse that led to the Leviathans escaping.
So what it comes down to is that everything in the SUPERNATURAL universe exists due to a series of accidents from a being who may seem all-powerful from a human perspective but is actually flawed and vulnerable and capable of severe errors in judgement. God in SUPERNATURAL doesn't lord over existence; he merely originated it and then chose to step back, which largely removes Chuck's authorial presence from controlling events to merely chronicling them.
If anything, this makes Chuck even more of a representation of Eric Kripke, with the only slight shift being that in a real-world context, Chuck doesn't solve everything because that would make it impossible to tell SUPERNATURAL stories whereas in-universe, perhaps further divine intervention would warp the SUPERNATURAL universe and demolish free will and self-actualization.
4,004 2016-05-08 14:50:59
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (927 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Still have not seen it. It's hard to justify going to the cinema when I have such a lengthy Netflix queue -- I'll probably watch it soon because it ties into AGENTS OF SHIELD -- or rather, AGENTS OF SHIELD ties into the movie while the movie's screenwriters confessed to being wholly ignorant of AGENTS OF SHIELD. ("What's an Inhuman?")
4,005 2016-05-08 14:49:48
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
With comic books -- well, I was recently reading WITCHBLADE, THE DARKNESS and its assorted crossover mini-serieses which include FIRST BORN and ARTIFACTS as well as its spin-offs, ANGELUS and the ongoing ARTIFACTS. I would read WITCHBLADE until the ads or the letters page informed me that there was a crossover. Then I would switch to reading THE DARKNESS and read until I was synced up with WITCHBLADE. Then I'd read the crossovers, then move back to reading WITCHBLADE until I hit the next crossover at which point I'd double back and continue with THE DARKNESS until arriving at the crossover again. Sometimes, I didn't read things in the right order but would only realize halfway in and I would start over again at the crossover point and get it right this time.
4,006 2016-05-07 13:32:55
Re: Supernatural (267 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
SUPERNATURAL started as a crappy X-FILES clone, but it's come to have some very meaningful reflections on free will, divinity, choice, consequence and theology. I really liked Chuck's frustrated rant about why he abdicated as God; "The training wheels have to come off! Nobody likes a helicopter parent" followed by pointing out that he has constantly resurrected Sam and Dean and Castiel only for them to make lousy choices. I remember, in the Season 2 finale, feeling annoyed that Sam and Dean were responsible for unleashing armies of demons upon the world in opening the doorway to hell; Chuck now expresses that same exasperation. And I liked how, when Chuck intervenes once again, it's done with the indication that further intervention will be at the cost of his continued existence; he won't be absent or indifferent; he'll be dead. Hopefully, Chuck will bring Felicia Day back to life before he goes -- which would, of course, trigger an existential crisis of faith in Informant and promptly cause him to lose all confidence in Chuck.
4,007 2016-05-06 18:40:59
Re: Earth Prime site updates (18 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I received an E-mail a few weeks ago complimenting me on how the character of Razor in SLIDERS REBORN was a very strong original creation. Terrifying.
4,008 2016-05-06 09:25:18
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Well, FRINGE seemed to transition from New York City to Vancouver reasonably well. Certainly, the show will *look* a little different, but modern colour correction and lighting advances by leaps and bounds with every day; in this day and age, Season 3 of SLIDERS could have looked more like Vancouver. But personally, I too, would like to see SUPERGIRL moved to wherever Informant does his extra work and then he could be our inside man on the show.
4,009 2016-05-05 17:38:08
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Well, having cost-assessed BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN as basically letting WB break even, the same perspective applied to SUPERGIRL yields an even worse result. SUPERGIRL's ratings don't justify a $3 million per episode licensing fee. WB either needs to reduce the fee (as they did for CHUCK) to offset the lower revenue in advertising or the show needs a lower budget -- and I don't know if it's even possible. Berlanti has said outright that SUPERGIRL can't be done on a CW budget; the show uses lavish wire rig effects and detailed location filming and intricate fight scenes that require just as much practical work as well as CG. I don't see where costs could be cut; the show is already struggling to render Supergirl. There's a reason why Clark rarely flew or had extensive superfights on SMALLVILLE.
Creatively, I think SUPERGIRL tried to cast too wide a net. As a family show, the content was fine, but the contradictory approach to Kara and her world (she's an adolescent adult who's a glorified intern as a highly placed espionage officer) resulted in a version of Supergirl who wasn't one or the other or much of anything. The result was a character and a show that was internally opposed to each facet of itself and the final product was confusing despite the accessible nature of the stories. I'd like to see a second season, but I really could not blame CBS if they simply couldn't afford it.
4,010 2016-05-03 15:29:13
Re: DC Superheroes in Film (1943 - 2024) (1,098 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
From my perspective, Informant, you have plenty of reason to be happy. You got MAN OF STEEL, which you liked, followed by BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN, which you liked, which earned enough money that you're going to get SUICIDE SQUAD, WONDER WOMAN, AQUAMAN, THE FLASH, JUSTICE LEAGUE, SHAZAM, GREEN LANTERN CORPS, JUSTICE LEAGUE II and THE BATMAN from the same creators. If the fact that other people disliked BVS diminishes your enjoyment of a film clearly tailored to your obsessions, then the problem is on your end; you have put entirely too much of your mental territory into the hands of strangers.
4,011 2016-05-03 09:22:11
Re: DC Superheroes in Film (1943 - 2024) (1,098 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Feel sorry for Informant? Quite frankly, **** Informant. Informant can **** right off. Informant was looking forward to BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN and he enjoyed BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN and while we can debate its creative merits and earnings endlessly, it's set the direction that the DC Cinematic Universe is going to follow AND he's going to get an extended cut that will likely be in theatres. The only winner here when it comes to BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN is Informant.
And we should be pleased for that. It's a bit like how the Sliders Rewatch podcasters enjoyed "The Exodus" Parts 1 - 2. We despise those episodes, but I'm glad they enjoyed watching John Rhys-Davies get shot and blown up after getting his brain sucked out -- because we should never want anyone to have a bad time.
This was a rather caustic way of saying that I'm happy Informant's happy.
4,012 2016-05-02 19:12:00
Re: DC Superheroes in Film (1943 - 2024) (1,098 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I think that while BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN was Informant's favourite movie of the year, the miserable reviews, crashing downfall in ticket sales after the first week and overall negativity towards the film can hardly be dismissed from a historical standpoint even if one disagrees with it from a personal standpoint.
4,013 2016-04-30 19:23:21
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I would install Android on the T100 Chi if I could get it to dual-boot. It works fine as a mini-laptop. The truth is that despite my increase use of my phone for RSS feeds, social media, E-mail, instant messaging, ebooks, etc., there are times when you just need a laptop. I can plug this laptop into the HDMI ports of TVs, use the memory card slot and USB ports to help friends do data transfers, sort files, convert documents, have documents open side by side, etc.. A PC may not be the speediest route for some tasks, but it's always going to be the more versatile machine when facing off against a phone or tablet.
If it weren't for comic books, I would have probably sold the tablet by now, although it is my preferred web browser until I want to type something. The only quirk this laptop has that I haven't entirely solved -- the Bluetooth touchpad used to go haywire and lose all sensitivity, seeing the cursor move around either sluggishly or randomly. Eventually, I found that disabling touchpad scrolling and gestures fixed it, so I think the driver was badly programmed. It kind of sucks to have a touchpad where you can't scroll -- or it would if you didn't have a touchscreen.
****
And now on alternate character interpretations in a long-running series:
So, I've been catching up on WITCHBLADE comics lately. Sara Pezzini is a New York homicide detective who finds a mystical bracelet that can form body armour, fire bursts of energy, form weapons and equipment and appears to have had a long line of female wielders who used it to fight evil. The first 79 issues were mostly crap until visionary writer Ron Marz came aboard the book and changed it from a bad girl in a metal bikini series to the eerily supernatural police procedural with feminist overtones that it probably should have always been. Marz was caustic in interviews towards the previous incarnation of the comic -- but he was super-respectful in his actual scripting, maintaining the previous mythology and making sure not to contradict his predecessors -- except in one case.
The original WITCHBLADE writers had an unhealthy fixation on one of the lead antagonists, Ian Nottingham, an assassin in the pay of a wealthy industrialist. In the first issue, Ian murders Detective Sara Pezzini's partner. In the following issues, Nottingham is portrayed as a mysterious, deadly, romantic figure who approaches Sara and attempts to save her from monsters. Sara is attracted to him despite the fact that he's a remorseless killer who executed her friend.
Throughout the first 79 issues of the series, Nottingham kills numerous people, most of them criminal figures and is shown to be largely in thrall to his masters but with an inexplicable attachment to Sara -- and the series presents him as an appealing, romantic, desirable man with long, flowing hair, a katana blade, rippling muscles and Sara perpetually in awe of his silent, moody, detached, aloof persona. They work together on occasion to fight monsters, Ian always disappearing afterwards before Sara can decide whether to have sex with him or arrest him.
Ron Marz took over the series and wrote a brief two issue arc with #92 - #93 where Nottingham returns, being chased by the Yakuza whom he claims are pursuing him because he helped the Japanese justice department against them. He asks for Sara's help.
Marz scripts Nottingham very differently; the mysterious, tormented, terse assassin has become chatty, condescending, flirty, and constantly flattering Sara and putting down her work as a police officer. He kills numerous Yakuza agents while insisting to Sara that he's doing his job to fight for justice. It's revealed that Nottingham is lying; he wasn't working with the police in Japan; he was killing Yakuza leaders to take their power for himself -- everything he said to Sara about justice was just manipulative rhetoric; his attraction to Sara is just an empty mind game and this time, Sara punches him out and arrests him at last.
Marz takes a formerly mysterious, detached, thoughtful, and in some ways unknowable figure and first re-characterizes him as obvious and shallow before revealing that he's a selfish man whose every spoken word is worthless crap. On one level, Marz has written a completely new character and given him the same name as an old one. On another, Marz is making the point that strip away the mystique and romance from the Ian of #1 - 79 and you get the Ian of #92 - #93: a self-serving, manipulative murderer whom Sara should have arrested ages ago.
I just wonder if there's a smoother way to handle it. I guess it's something you only need to consider if you're taking over from a previous writer.
4,014 2016-04-30 19:23:20
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I would install Android on the T100 Chi if I could get it to dual-boot. It works fine as a mini-laptop. The truth is that despite my increase use of my phone for RSS feeds, social media, E-mail, instant messaging, ebooks, etc., there are times when you just need a laptop. I can plug this laptop into the HDMI ports of TVs, use the memory card slot and USB ports to help friends do data transfers, sort files, convert documents, have documents open side by side, etc.. A PC may not be the speediest route for some tasks, but it's always going to be the more versatile machine when facing off against a phone or tablet.
If it weren't for comic books, I would have probably sold the tablet by now, although it is my preferred web browser until I want to type something. The only quirk this laptop has that I haven't entirely solved -- the Bluetooth touchpad used to go haywire and lose all sensitivity, seeing the cursor move around either sluggishly or randomly. Eventually, I found that disabling touchpad scrolling and gestures fixed it, so I think the driver was badly programmed. It kind of sucks to have a touchpad where you can't scroll -- or it would if you didn't have a touchscreen.
****
And now on alternate character interpretations in a long-running series:
So, I've been catching up on WITCHBLADE comics lately. Sara Pezzini is a New York homicide detective who finds a mystical bracelet that can form body armour, fire bursts of energy, form weapons and equipment and appears to have had a long line of female wielders who used it to fight evil. The first 79 issues were mostly crap until visionary writer Ron Marz came aboard the book and changed it from a bad girl in a metal bikini series to the eerily supernatural police procedural with feminist overtones that it probably should have always been. Marz was caustic in interviews towards the previous incarnation of the comic -- but he was super-respectful in his actual scripting, maintaining the previous mythology and making sure not to contradict his predecessors -- except in one case.
The original WITCHBLADE writers had an unhealthy fixation on one of the lead antagonists, Ian Nottingham, an assassin in the pay of a wealthy industrialist. In the first issue, Ian murders Detective Sara Pezzini's partner. In the following issues, Nottingham is portrayed as a mysterious, deadly, romantic figure who approaches Sara and attempts to save her from monsters. Sara is attracted to him despite the fact that he's a remorseless killer who executed her friend.
Throughout the first 79 issues of the series, Nottingham kills numerous people, most of them criminal figures and is shown to be largely in thrall to his masters but with an inexplicable attachment to Sara -- and the series presents him as an appealing, romantic, desirable man with long, flowing hair, a katana blade, rippling muscles and Sara perpetually in awe of his silent, moody, detached, aloof persona. They work together on occasion to fight monsters, Ian always disappearing afterwards before Sara can decide whether to have sex with him or arrest him.
Ron Marz took over the series and wrote a brief two issue arc with #92 - #93 where Nottingham returns, being chased by the Yakuza whom he claims are pursuing him because he helped the Japanese justice department against them. He asks for Sara's help.
Marz scripts Nottingham very differently; the mysterious, tormented, terse assassin has become chatty, condescending, flirty, and constantly flattering Sara and putting down her work as a police officer. He kills numerous Yakuza agents while insisting to Sara that he's doing his job to fight for justice. It's revealed that Nottingham is lying; he wasn't working with the police in Japan; he was killing Yakuza leaders to take their power for himself -- everything he said to Sara about justice was just manipulative rhetoric; his attraction to Sara is just an empty mind game and this time, Sara punches him out and arrests him at last.
Marz takes a formerly mysterious, detached, thoughtful, and in some ways unknowable figure and first re-characterizes him as obvious and shallow before revealing that he's a selfish man whose every spoken word is worthless crap. On one level, Marz has written a completely new character and given him the same name as an old one. On another, Marz is making the point that strip away the mystique and romance from the Ian of #1 - 79 and you get the Ian of #92 - #93: a self-serving, manipulative murderer whom Sara should have arrested ages ago.
I just wonder if there's a smoother way to handle it. I guess it's something you only need to consider if you're taking over from a previous writer.
4,015 2016-04-30 18:59:35
Re: DC Superheroes in Film (1943 - 2024) (1,098 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I think the Marvel movies are as successful as they can in presenting the Marvel Universe as a single reality given that all the characters are from completely different genres that would ideally exist in their own world. As for DC -- stepping back from my personal opinions, I think we could all agree that creatively, DC is quite happy with their approach to their universe. WB executives stood up and applauded at the first screening of BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN. They didn't cancel any upcoming movies. They are looking to add a bit more humour. Aside from that, however, they're continuing as planned.
4,016 2016-04-29 15:42:57
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I had an exchange for SLIDERS REBORN that I could never find a place to use.
ARTURO: "Ms. Welles! Contact Mr. Calhoun, see if he's familiar with this individual."
WADE: "Which Gomez Calhoun? The TV addicted one or the overparented one?"
ARTURO: "The overparented one. The adopted one left the city to flee his mother again."
I never found a place where the sliders needed to deal with motels, so it never came up.
4,017 2016-04-29 11:43:34
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I don't think the DC cinematic universe is considered to be on the same multidimensional axis (as Smarter-Quinn might put it) as SUPERGIRL and the CW shows. I don't think Barry's tachyon accelerator could take him to the Snyder films' universe -- at least not in terms of the storytelling logic set up so far. When we saw flashes of other dimensions, we saw Melissa Benoist's SUPERGIRL and we saw the 90s FLASH TV series in which Barry Allen looks like John Wesley Shipp -- but that makes TV sense in that Barry in the 90s show was older and would look like the CW Flash's father -- who is also played by John Wesley Shipp. Also, we've met Tina McGee in the CW universe, who was also a character on the 90s FLASH show and also played by the same actress, Amanda Pays. The Trickster, played by Mark Hamill in the 90s show, is again played by the same actor in the CW show.
The CW series is set in a parallel version of the 90s universe in which Barry was born at a later date in time for some undisclosed reason. Either this is a parallel universe where Henry and Nora Allen conceived Barry at a later point in their lives, or the cross temporal battles between Eobard Thawne and Barry Allen altered the 90s FLASH timeline into the CW FLASH timeline. This was done partially in tribute to the 90s show (which the FLASH showrunners really like) and partially due to their casting choices; I wouldn't say they conceived the show as an alternate timeline for the previous show, but it's what they ended up making. The only discontinuity is that Iris West's one episode of the previous FLASH show had her played by Paula Marshall who obviously isn't an older or younger version of Candice Patton.
It's a bit like Temporal Flux's idea for rebooting SLIDERS where the original characters discover sliding at a later date in life. And it's a bit like Matt Hutaff's idea for rebooting SLIDERS -- where a cosmic cataclysm altered reality in a way that delayed the inciting incident of the series.
Alternatively -- the Ezra Miller version of the Flash had a different mother or father and it, like Robert Floyd's Mallory, actually a brother of the earlier version of the character but with the same name.
4,018 2016-04-29 10:55:31
Re: DC Superheroes on TV & Streaming (1966 - 2024) (1,683 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
My theory is that the ARROW producers messed up. They filmed the graveyard scenes in when filming the premiere having no knowledge that (a) Barry would lose his speed (b) Oliver would be enduring a betrayal on the team (c) Oliver was dealing with his engagement being called off or (d) who the hell was actually dead.
As a result, when this episode came, they reused the premiere footage and script pages despite the fact that their flash forwards no longer fit the present situation. The simplest solution would have been to reshoot or re-edit Grant Gustin's appearance so that he's seen to walk off camera without indicating whether or not he super-sped away -- there'd still be a continuity error in the premiere, but it at least wouldn't be a reminder.
The flash forwards very much don't fit with the actual context that we're given -- a serious problem resulting from flash forwards done without any idea of what that context will be. The flash forwards have Oliver and Felicity shattered by whatever happened -- vengeful, angry and broken. But what we saw this week was that Diggle was the only one in that state; if anything, Laurel's death has made Oliver and Felicity clear and focused on Laurel's legacy and determined not to sink to the level of their enemies. The flash forwards had Felicity and Oliver vowing bloodsoaked revenge; but the actual present-day episode is completely at odds with that; Laurel's death has made them recommit to the Black Canary's legacy of justice, not vengeance. These are two completely opposing reactions and they don't fit together at all.
As loath as I am towards retcons to repair sloppiness, it would have been best to refilm the flash-forwards so that Oliver and Felicity declaring Damien must die is simply a pragmatic wish to prevent more loss rather than lashing out due to Laurel's death. And Laurel's death is really the team's fault. They had the source of Damien's power RECONSTRUCTED and RESIDING IN AN INSECURE LOCATION KNOWN TO THEIR ENEMIES OH MY GOD HOW DUMB IS THAT?!!?!?!?!?!?
4,019 2016-04-27 20:39:04
Re: Personal Status Updates! (759 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
I have developed an unholy addiction to my Windows 10 tablet. I don't know what the hell is wrong with me. I keep trying to use it as a touch browser / comic book reader / e-reader / instant messenger every few months. It's always a disaster. The only decent e-reader app that doesn't crash and freeze on Windows 10 is Kobo and half the time, it won't boot if there's no wifi connection. The touchscreen keyboard is an abomination with no swipe typing and a layout that constantly sees the backslash take the place of a space. The comic book reader frequently presents a black screen as the next page, the thing randomly stops responding to touch input and every single time I use it as a tablet, I have to reinstall at least one driver (the accelerometer or the suddenly lost network protocols).
I'm using the Asus T100 Chi, but my friend Henrietta has the Surface Pro 3 and it has exactly the same issues. I need to stop wasting time trying to use this thing something it's not when I already have an iPad mini. I just feel compelled to TRY every now and then and it is always, always, always a mistake. Maybe I should sell it and get a non-touchscreen / no-detachment laptop instead.
4,020 2016-04-27 17:43:40
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Slider_Quinn21 (927 replies, posted in Sliders Bboard)
Oh, let's run with it for now. I'll reorganize the posts later.
The key point I'm trying to make is that Slider_Quinn21 says you're seeing things that aren't there in MOS and BVS -- but they were there in the scripts (at least, I feel 85 per cent sure they were) and they were most likely filmed (I'm 80 per cent sure) -- but then they were cut from the film.
The film would appear to indicate that Superman did try to move the fight in MOS (since he's not an asshole) and that Superman was rescuing people (because why else would the movie have Bruce describe the flattering Daily Planet coverage and have Clark express depression that he failed to stop the bomb "because I wasn't looking for it") and that tons of people blame Superman for the Black Zero crisis (because Batman sure as hell does) -- but the visuals aren't entirely there to support this, leading to a coldly dispassionate distance from the character that seems to be unintentional.
Whereas with the Marvel movies, you *couldn't* cut this stuff from the film; they're the core of the action sequences and cannot be removed.