I really enjoyed the final season of Andor.  I think the show does a good job of making Star Wars more grounded and human.  I rewatched Rogue One, and I found myself really enjoying it.  I think I really liked it when I originally saw it, but it might be my favorite Star Wars movie.

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I haven't seen Mission Impossible: Final Reckoning yet.  But I'll hopefully see it in the next couple of weeks so I can read and respond.

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I'm interested in the fact that, apparently, China has created a thorium reactor.  I didn't know what thorium was until last night, but I'm interested in any technology that will help turn the tide our war against climate change.  Some of my friends know about some of this stuff, and one of them said that China could probably make this viable this year.  The US might be 15 years away (although he doesn't know if this is the same "15 years away" that we always are from fusion reactors).

I'm sure Trump and his anti-science brigade, as well as all the oil companies, will do what they can to make this not viable.  What I would like is for one of these oil companies to be pragmatic and get on the forefront of one of these alternatives.  They could make trillions if they play their cards right.

It is fascinating, though.  I think most Sliders fans think that season 5 is better than season 4 from a storytelling perspective, but I don't think season 5 resembles the Torme years much more than season 4 did.  I feel like they had more artistic control - Peckinpah was less active (right? am I misremembering?) and Jerry's influence was gone.  They moved away from being Kromagg heavy, but they stayed with more Sci-Fi concepts and less alternate history concepts.

I think there was an opportunity to do what they wanted, but it feels like they made a conscious decision to just do more of the same.

(Disclaimer: it's been forever since I've seen any of Season 5).

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Well I'm glad I watched it when I did, then.  That's crazy.

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My wife and I are pretty good about expenses.  We have a budget on a family spreadsheet, and every week we download our expenditures for the week (we have separate credit cards), and we compare our expenses to how we've performed.  We meet for 5 or so minutes a week to discuss, and if we've overspent on any category, we talk through any changes that we need to make.  It's basically a free version of what you might find with any budgeting apps. 

One thing we've done is give ourselves each a certain amount of money (we call it our "allowance") that we can use without any sort of reaction from the other person.  This is usually something that we're doing for fun without the other - if I go out to dinner with my friends or if she wants to get some sort of spa experience.  This usually makes us give second thoughts to purchases that might otherwise be made without conscious thought.  And I think the same applies to any of our categories - making the categories separate and as specific as possible makes you think about the purchases more often.  For example, we ate at more restaurants during mother's day weekend, and so we're going to do less eating out the rest of the month to compensate.

Interesting about your cash back cards.  The bank I use does 1% cash back for all purchases, and then 5% cash back for a rotating grouping of categories on a quarterly basis.  It might be grocery stores one quarter and gas stations another.  I agree that those cards seem to have value, and I think every little bit helps.

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Interesting.  I watched it a couple of weeks ago.  Because of the interactive nature, I know it doesn't work on all devices so you might just not be able to see it?

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I don't think I've seen Black Mirror since before "Bandersnatch."

It can be hit or miss.  I recently rewatched Bandersnatch and think it was a fun concept.  The story itself isn't super Black Mirror-y.  I think some of it strays a bit from the stuff that I like the most ("how would people react if *insert technology* was introduced?") and that's what I liked about Common People.  If you wanted to try it again, there's probably some lists that would do better at picking which episodes to watch and which to skip than me.  But I think, since Bandersnatch, my favorites are:

Season 6
Beyond the Sea
Demon 79 (although technically this is "Red Mirror" - an attempt at horror)

Season 7
Common People
USS Callister: Into Infinity (if you've seen the original - obviously watch that one first)

In season 5 (which I didn't pick any), I think all three are pretty good but all flawed in their own way.  "Joan Is Awful" is very entertaining and I really wanted to like Bete Noire more than I ended up liking it.

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I really enjoyed this season of Black Mirror.  A lot of attention, I assume, has been on the sequel to USS Callister and the semi-sequel to Bandersnatch, but my favorite episode was "Common People."  A terrifying look at a super-realistic way that technology would both really help people and potentially hamstring working class families.  I think the others were generally pretty good.  I think "Bete Noire" is a really fun episode that I think has an ending that was maybe a little too ridiculous, even for this show.  "Hotel Reverie" has some good character work, and I assume is one of the ways movie production could go.  "Plaything" was a bit of fun, but also maybe a bit of a mess.  "Eulogy" was a great character piece starring Paul Giamatti.  And USS Callister: Into Infinity is still great, although probably not as great as the original.

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SPOILERS FOR THUNDERBOLTS*

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I really liked Thunderbolts*.  I think the movie was a lot of fun, and I think the characters were really good.  I agree that Pullman's Bob is really good, and he did a good job of both being very scary and intimidating and being really vulnerable.  It's pretty incredible that Marvel was able to get all these huge stars to play, essentially, second-level characters and for a movie about them to be really fun.

We got a movie of:

- Captain America's Friend
- Three characters from the Black Widow movie
- The villain from a forgettable Ant-Man movie
- The secondary villain from the Falcon and the Winter Soldier streaming show

Some of that is a little reductive, but it's all true.  And it's a pretty great movie that I think will do well financially.

I would like to focus on a couple of things I didn't really like, though:

- The New Avengers.  I know it's played like it's a joke, but it bothered me for two reasons.  One, it's not a joke.  They are the Avengers, enough for it to really bother Sam Wilson.  I understand why Red Guardian would do this, and I think it makes a lot of sense for Yelena, Walker, and maybe Ava.  But what is Bucky doing?  He was already an Avenger, technically, and it doesn't seem like he ever wanted to be in the spotlight like this.  I think it would've been a better character move for him to turn it down.

And it shines a light on the fact that the Avengers are gone...for no reason?  I was about to write about how there are a handful of Avengers that are still active, but I guess that's not necessarily true.  In fact, I guess Phases 4-6 haven't done a terrible job at explaining where each of the Avengers is:

- Iron Man (Dead)
- Captain America (Retired)
- Hulk (Off world with his son?)
- Thor (Off world with his adopted daughter)
- Hawkeye (Retired?)
- War Machine (Replaced by a Skrull, Retired?)
- Falcon (now Captain America, working solo)
- Spider-Man (forgotten by the Avengers, working solo)
- Captain Marvel (off world)
- Black Panther (T'Challa is dead, Shuri is in Wakanda)
- Ant-Man (Not sure)
- Vison (dead)
- Black Widow (dead)
- Wanda (dead)
- Guardians (not really Avengers, off world)

Every one of those appeared in phases 4-6 or was dead in Endgame.  So they've actually done a better job than I thought at referencing why the Avengers aren't around, but they really haven't directly referenced it.  It's unclear to me if Hawkeye is actually retired, what the status is of War Machine and Ant-Man, and why none of the new characters have been recruited.  It's unclear to me why the Avengers were allowed to be over, even if I understand why individuals aren't active Avengers anymore.

And I think it all links to that scene at the end of Shang-Chi.  It seemed like Shang-Chi was in the fold, and it seemed like the Avengers existed in some form at that time.  I know Carol has space stuff to do, and Bruce was still around.  So when Bruce did his stuff from She-Hulk...did he just leave and the Avengers building was just empty?

I get that we're going to get a lot of this in Avengers: Doomsday, but it just feels super disorganized that it hasn't been referenced.  Why all these characters felt comfortable leaving the Earth defenseless, and no one thought that was a problem.  I think they've done an okay job of answering the job piecemeal, but like a lot of phases 4-6, it just doesn't feel cohesive.  And this random team being introduced as the New Avengers and then that just being okay just feels weird to me.

I also wish they'd gotten Sam to show up in the post-credits.  In fact, I wish Brave New World was more about this than what it was actually about.

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DieselMickyDolenz wrote:

Slow Horses - I'd read the first book. Enjoyed the season based on that book to binge the series.

I recently watched this series myself.  Really liked the characters, and Gary Oldman is incredible as the lead.  Maybe the most fun I've had watching a series in a while.

Hey DMD!

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Okay that's awesome.  I love the inside scoop, and I think it helps a lot with context.  And now I can sorta understand where everything was going and how/why it changed.

I guess the last question is: why kill Foggy?  There are (unsubstantiated?) rumors that Foggy will come back.  Maybe he faked his death or maybe he comes back with MCU nonsense, but if you're going to bring him back why kill him?  I understand he was dead in the original vision, but Foggy's death doesn't really play a part in episodes 2-7.  Karen moved to San Francisco.  Couldn't Foggy have moved away too?  I saw an interview with Cox and D'Onofrio where they talked about needing to jolt the series (I think Cox referred to Foggy as "the heartbeat of the MCU" which is pretty crazy for a character who technically was only in the MCU for 10 minutes?).  But I think you could've accomplished that with Foggy and Matt having a falling out or something like that.

The other question that I have is about continuity.  If Born Again originally had a loose connection to the Netflix seasons but also had a loose connection to the MCU (the strongest tie was Kamala's dad?)....then what is it?  Deadpool, I think, did a great job of connecting to both the MCU and the existing continuity.  We all thought that Deadpool would live in his own space, but this is literally Daredevil living in his own space.  No past and no future.

And, again, I don't think we needed Captain America to beat up Fisk or for the Chitauri to be involved.  But I think Born Again could cover some really interesting material.  Captain America and Iron Man were seemingly beloved by everyone, but would people differentiate between Daredevil and Captain America?  Would street-level superheroes be seen differently than Avengers?

What's crazy is that they had all the pieces to do this.  You're in the MCU - so just a couple of years ago, in universe, half the population disappeared and reappeared because of a purple alien fighting a bunch of superheroes.  New York City, where this is set, was the location of an alien attack.  This is the same universe where a giant hand is sticking out of the earth and Captain America just fought the president.  And you have, built into the show, these "man on the street interviews."

"I loved Tony Stark, but these street-level superheroes are nothing but criminals to me."

"If these guys were dangerous, the Avengers would've stopped them.  I think they're helping."

"Superheroes saved by Grandma in the blip.  I'll never see any of them as criminals."

And Fisk would have to fight this in his smear campaign.  I would assume all the Avengers have a 90+% approval rating.  He would need to make a clear case that Daredevil and White Tiger are different than Captain America.

And I don't think the show did any of that.  And it's just bizarre because it's staring right at their faces.  It's a show that doesn't seem to want to be in the MCU because it hurts its own argument.  Nolan's Dark Knight series is probably hurt if Superman is out there somewhere, and I think Born Again is a little hurt by the idea that incredibly-popular superheroes exist.

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I think it all sorta ties to the idea that these MCU shows could've been a really cool street-level look into how the Avengers' actions impacted people.  It started really promising with Falcon and the Winter Soldier having the government react to the Snap/Blip.  But all that seems to have washed over.  Despite all the crazy stuff that's happened in the MCU, their world and our world are pretty much the same.  Which is bonkers.

I know that they can't have the worlds diverge too much because they still need to film in our world.  But you wouldn't need to pay Robert Downey Jr. to be in these movies to make them feel cohesive.  Dialogue is basically free, right?

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I watched Ant-Man and the Wasp.  I really didn't remember anything about that movie, apparently, outside of the post-credits scene.  Which I maintain is one of the best ones that the MCU has done.  Great cliffhanger and great tie-in to Endgame.  I thought it was a pretty fun movie.  I think Ant-Man really works, and I'm sad that Quantumania ended up being such a disaster for the MCU (critically, financially, and even creatively).

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I think Daredevil was pretty solid.  And when you understand the behind the scenes hodgepodge that it was, I think it's amazing that it's anywhere near as good as it was.  I'm still unsure of what the show as going to be, though.  If we basically got episodes 1-6 of the original concept as episodes 2-7, what was the real difference?  Would the original season, minus missing out on Foggy and Karen (which I know is important to ireactions) really have been so bad that they needed to overhaul it?  Unless they made changes, those shows were pretty good.  I didn't think there was an obvious jump in quality.

I understand they didn't have the Punisher right, and they needed Foggy and Karen to make the whole show feel more cohesive.  But I guess it didn't feel like a dumpster fire that had to be rewritten.

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I rewatched Black Widow in advance of Thunderbolts* coming out.  I thought it was a lot of fun, and I think it was a good set up for Yelena and Red Guardian.  I think, obviously, it would've been a bit more fun if it had come out before Endgame, but it is what it is.  I'm still surprised when Jeremy Renner never shows up, but he has a voice cameo and is pictured in the post credits.  I also get why they didn't shoehorn a male star in Scarlet's movie, but I think it's weird that Cap didn't make an appearance.  I think a more complete story would've shown what Cap was up to and how he reunited with Natasha, but I can see why that wasn't what was done.

Taskmaster seemed completely wasted and might be completely wasted in Thunderbolts*.  I think she needed an action sequence where she used all her Avengers skills to win a fight.  She basically did some cool posing but mostly failed.  I think we needed to understand how formidable she was.

All in all, I liked it.  I'm going to try and watch Ant-Man and the Wasp to get some setup for Ghost.  I barely remember that movie.  I feel like I still have a pretty good feel for John Walker, since we spent so much time with him in FATWS.

I had a chance to see an advanced screening tonight but wasn't able to make it.  I'll try and see it the week after it comes out.

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The China stuff is absolute nonsense.  Trump doesn't care about China, and tariffs wouldn't even be on the top 50 ways to hurt China if you thought they were a threat.  Tariffs are being placed to hurt American businesses so that Trump can get loyalty from CEOs in exchange for tariff relief.  It's always a grift with Trump, and it's never about the reasons he uses.  If you ask 10 Trump administration people, they're all going to give different reasons because it's all BS.

Trump wants to help Russia by destabilizing the West.  And again, the tariffs help China way more than it hurts them.  People are still going to buy goods from China so it doesn't affect China there.  Businesses can pass the price along to the consumers so it doesn't affect them (unless the price becomes untenable).  The only people hurt are American consumers.  And China not only will get the same business from Americans, but they'll get additional trading from people that want free trade agreements (so far, Japan and South Korea).

So the winners are:

1. Trump (for getting whatever he wants)
2. Russia
3. China

Again, the people hurt the worst are almost certainly poor Trump voters.  And since there's still a tariff on thoughts and prayers, good.

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Trump paused his tariffs.  I hope it's a permanent pause.  As much as I have enjoyed Trump looking like an absolute moron on the global stage and having republican influencers turning on him, the tariffs were going to cause decades of irreparable harm to the country my kids live in.  The global market was basically going to cut the US out (they still might) - Canada was starting trade agreements with Europe, Japan and South Korea were going to China.  That kind of stuff would cause damage that isn't as easily fixed by a future competent administration.

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Oh dang, I meant to link to it.  Now all of this could be complete and utter BS because I tried to find the twitter chain and it's gone.  I haven't read the leaked script (if there is one) and I have no idea if this guy or his main source is reliable.  But if it's fanfic, I think its fun fanfic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SHeSUoN2ZM

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So I am way behind on this, but I recently watched a video that outlined how "The Kang Dynasty" would have played out.  I won't get into the plot of the dropped movie (but I'll have minor "spoilers" from plot details that almost certainly don't matter anymore), but what was most interesting to me was the idea that Phases 4-6 were supposed to feel more cohesive.  I've been wondering who the "Nick Fury" should've been for the Multiverse Saga - and it was supposed to be Jonathan Majors.

According to the leaks, this is how the Council of Kangs was supposed to be unveiled:

- Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania - Intro to Kang the Conqueror
- Loki (seasons 1 and 2) - Intro of He Who Remains and Victor Timely
- Deadpool and Wolverine - Mid-Credit Council of Kangs scene
- Agatha All Along - Introduction to Immortus
- Moon Knight (Season 2) - Introduction to Rama-Tut
- X-Men 97 (Season 2) - Introduction to the Centurian and formation of the Council of Kangs
- Fantastic Four - Background on the first multiversal war.  Some sort of connection between the TVA and the Fantastic Four would've been made because The Kang Dynasty starts with Reed reaching out to the TVA.

So it's not a ton more but it would've given proper intros to the primary figures in the Council of Kangs spread across the movies.  I think if we'd gotten all this, it would have felt more cohesive and felt like it was building to something.  It would've also revealed that Kang the Conqueror survived Quantumania so the whole "he got defeated by Ant-Man so how scary could he be" idea is a bit of a mess.

I think Marvel's problems were:

1) Covid messing with the release schedule.  I still think it would've been better if Spider-Man had come out after Multiverse of Madness and the original plan would've been used for those two movies (it would've been an evil Dr Strange helping Peter and America would've shown up to help). 

2) The decision to hire Jonathan Majors.  This isn't Disney's fault.  I think Majors could've been a great villain, but he ended up just being a bad dude.

I think the original plan sounds interesting, and I think The Kang Dynasty sounds interesting.  I would've loved to have seen how it worked out if the original plan had been followed.

Now is any of this actually how it was supposed to happen?  I don't know.  It's hard to say.

1. We got Ant-Man and Loki as is.  None of that would've changed.  Sounds like Deadpool and Wolverine would've had a mid-credits scene so that movie would've been mostly unchanged (but it introduced anchor beings, which was a big player in Kang Dynasty).

2. Immortus in Agatha?  I don't see how?  Any guesses?

3. Kang stuff in Moon Knight and X-Men 97 season 2s?  Could explain why we haven't had season 2s of either of them yet.  Seems a bit weird to make it season 2 of Moon Knight and not season one, but maybe they had a ton of confidence in season one.  The video implied that there was references to Rama-Tut in Moon Knight season one, but I wouldn't have gotten them.

4. Kang in Fantastic Four.  Makes sense and could explain why that movie had so many changes.

All in all, this makes me feel a little better that there was a plan, if this is true.  And Marvel didn't just suddenly get bad at cohesion - they're the victims of having to massively change course because their lynchpin became unusable

I do wonder why they didn't just recast.  Especially with something like Kang.  With a multiversal person, you could come up with any number of reasons why they look different, or you could do what was done with Rhodey or the Hulk and just ignore it.  It feels like a better idea to stick to the plan with a recast than anything else, but maybe they didn't think they could get it done quickly enough with someone who could carry the weight.  I don't know.

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I don't disagree.  I've generally liked everything that Marvel has released, even the stuff that probably won't go anywhere like Moon Knight.  I guess my biggest concern is that the process doesn't feel cohesive.  I don't know if it's not cohesive, but it doesn't feel that way.  And the whole universe sorta feels aimless.

Now if you're talking about a season of an anthology show like Black Mirror or a list of A24 films or whatever, it doesn't have to feel cohesive and you can enjoy something here or there.  But in a shared universe, I would like to hope that all the building blocks are setting something up that will reward me for my loyalty. 

Phase one is Tony and Steve's story.  They became heroes, became Avengers, fought, and came back together to save the world before their journeys ended.  But if T'Challa didn't have his journey, the Avengers couldn't have won against Thanos.  If Scott Lang didn't have his journey, the time heist wouldn't have been possible.  If Stephen Strange hadn't had his journey, maybe Tony dies before he could save the day.  Carol Danvers, the Guardians, Thor and Loki, Peter Parker, etc all had their parts to play.

Even small stuff.  Ant-Man (2015) may not feel super important, but Scott meeting Sam at the Avengers compound has a direct through-line to the time heist.  Thor: The Dark World is much maligned, but it introduces one of the infinity stones.  Even smaller stories contributed to the overall story.

Right now, it just feels like independent stories.  And some of that is okay.  They've done so many stories since Endgame, and not every one of them needs to be a puzzle piece.  Moon Knight doesn't need to contribute to defeating Doom for it to be enjoying or worth existing, but I just don't feel like any of it is building to anything.  And part of that is that we're not "checking in" on anyone.  I don't know what Dr. Strange is doing since he left with Charlize Theron.  We don't know what Spider-Man is up to.  We don't know what the Avengers are doing about the Ten Rings.  Brave New World implies there are no Avengers, but that didn't seem to be the case in Shang-Chi.

I think some of this could've been accomplished with a series of post-credit scenes that make the universe feel whole.  Sorta like a mini-movie that is being told via post-credit scenes to just keep our pulse on what's happening in the greater universe.  I think Sam would've been a great guy to put in a few of these movies, but it could've also been someone like Wong or Shang-Chi or someone like that.

But even if actor availability is a concern, they could simply catch us up with dialogue.  Sam could've told us what other Avengers were up to in Brave New World.  Daredevil could tell us what Spider-Man is doing.

And maybe all of this will work in retrospect.  It's unlikely the Sam/Scott fight in Ant-Man felt important at the time, and I'm not 100% sure that scene was even written to connect to Civil War.  But in retrospect, it works.  So maybe we'll look back and see more ties than we think there are now.  But I still think it doesn't feel like anyone is behind the wheel right now.

And I worry that they're going to have to devote time in Doomsday to catching us up.  And I think some of that could've been done in dialogue, in cameos, in crossovers, or even supplemental materials (One Shots or whatever).  It's just crazy to me that we've had so much content but so little continuity.

I'm still all in on Marvel.  My enthusiasm hasn't waned a ton.  But I just wish some of that cohesiveness was still there, and I worry that Doomsday is going to have to do so much heavy lifting instead of storytelling.

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I completely agree, but the Russos might be panicking a bit as well.  Their post-Endgame movies have all either been dull or been bombs, and their most recent is (allegedly, I haven't seen it) a disaster.  They probably need Marvel as much as Marvel needs them.

What's frustrating to me is that Phases 4 and 5 have had so much content, but it all feels so aimless.  To be fair, Thanos barely did anything prior to the very end of Phase 3, instantly became a great villain, and retroactively made it seem like he was the villain of Phases 1-3.  Maybe if there'd simply been an avengers movie in Phase 4 or 5 it would feel more cohesive.  The story of the Infinity Saga is basically told in the Avengers movies and Civil War.  Despite all the content, we haven't really had anything like that so far.

It can definitely work out.  Maybe the Russos do their best work in the Marvel sandbox, and maybe this has all been building to Doomsday and Secret Wars.  I'll be seeing it ASAP when it comes out.  But when DC rushed things to get to Justice League, it was because they didn't have enough time.  That wasn't Marvel's problem, and that's what's frustrating.  I know some of this is because of Jonathan Majors, but I feel like it still would've been rushed.

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Did anyone see the casting for Avengers Doomsday?  Is that a spoiler?

I have no idea how they're going to manage adding the cast of (spoiler?) to this movie.  I think the multiverse is a cool concept (obviously), and it's fun to have worlds collide.  But I really think this was the wrong decision for phases 4-6, and I'm worried Marvel is doing a panic move.

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Dan Carlin is known for a podcast called Hardcore History, but he has a more modern politics podcast called Common Sense.  He doesn't do that podcast very often (he hasn't done one in years), but he did one for the beginning of the second Trump administration.  I think he's very good and has an interesting perspective on both Trump and the decades-long increase of power for the executive branch.  I recommend people check it out.

https://www.dancarlin.com/common-sense/

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Spoilers for Episode 5 of Daredevil

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So they did their first MCU crossover.  I remember hearing about this, but I'd completely forgotten.  And I'm unsure how I feel about it.  On one hand, it's exactly what I'm looking for, and it might be the perfect link for this particular show.  On the other...Kamala's dad??

I'll start with the positives.  They aren't bringing in a big movie star (editorial - I know the actor playing Mr. Khan is allegedly some sort of criminal, I don't know anything about it), nor are they bringing in someone who requires big time CGI.  In fact, it was someone who couldn't help Matt at all.  If it had been Sam Wilson in civilian clothes or Rhodey or Nick Fury, Matt would've had help.  In this case, it's an established MCU character (he's probably appeared in more MCU material than some people you wouldn't expect) that couldn't help Matt in any way.  And there was an on-screen reference to Ms. Marvel.

So in that minute, Matt felt connected to the universe.

But at the end of the day, its a little bizarre that they picked Mr. Khan.  This feels like the type of cameo where they'd go to Jon Favreau and get Happy Hogan to show up.  If you'd told me there would be an MCU crossover in episode 5 and gave me 1000 guesses, I might never have gotten to Kamala's dad.  I might've gone off the board and picked Iron Fist and assumed that was technically an MCU character.

But I asked for it, and I got it.  I don't need Spider-Man to show up (I know he can't) and have the two of them fight aliens, but it's nice to know that the show isn't ashamed of being in the MCU.

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I don't know if its essential.  There are ties to previous seasons but they're pretty loose with it.  I think if you have a general idea of any version of Kingpin or Matt Murdock, you'd be okay without watching anything previous.  The show does a pretty good job of setting the stage, and any knowledge of seasons 1-3 would just be used as context more than anything.

If you decide to watch without having seen seasons 1-3, let us know.  I'd be curious to see how it feels.

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Yeah, I would think the same thing.  I tried to look but also didn't see anything.

Which is surprising to me because I think Rosenbaum is good about getting people to talk about controversial stuff.  But maybe Welling put his foot down or maybe he isn't legally allowed to talk about anything.

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Does anyone actively listen to Talkville.  It looks like they've had new episodes since the arrest - has Tom referenced it?

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I just don't understand the disconnect between the universe now.  In the past, they'd throw Chris Evans in Thor: the Dark World for a sight gag.  Falcon would show up and fight Ant-Man.  Even if you don't want a direct crossover, dialogue is free.  Fisk should either acknowledge that Daredevil and White Tiger are different from government-sanctioned heroes like Captain America, or someone should be challenging him on that front.

I really thought that, following Endgame, the idea of fleshing out the universe via TV shows was a great idea.  The problem is that they've made the universe even more closed off.  And I wonder if the Snap was just too big of an event to follow up on.  Because the Snap/Blip is almost never mentioned outside of a few scenes.  Normal characters never mention it.  And the world seems to have completely rebounded to the point where nothing seems different.  I really liked that recovery from the Snap seemed to have been a huge part of Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

But think about the show/book "The Leftovers" - they made one of the best shows of all time based on the idea that 3% of people disappeared without a trace.  That happened in the MCU (and then they came back!) and now everyone in the MCU is the bullpen at the Daily Planet after Man of Steel.

Maybe they should've had Doctor Strange write a spell that compels people to return to their lives and forget about Thanos.  At least there would be a reason.  Or maybe they need to stay away from situations that would drastically affect society.

But...I went on a tangent.  I think, even if they wanted each show to live by itself, they could have people make references that make the universe feel cohesive.  If Fisk mentioned Captain America or the Avengers, it would feel like the MCU.  Making a shaded reference to Spider-Man is cool, but it feels like the references they'd make in the Netflix show (the big green guy.  the thing that happened in the city).

That's why I wonder if they needed a Nick Fury for Phases 4-6.  Someone who could pop into these shows and movies and make it feel connected.  I think Sam Wilson makes a lot of sense to be that guy, trying to hold the Avengers together in some way.  But they could really use anyone.  I mean, heck, use Coulson.  Say that Tony brought him back with the Snap and now he's the new Fury.  I know that might upset Agents of Shield people but it is what it is.

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I thought I'd typed out a response but I guess not.

I knew a lot of the behind the scenes, but I actually thought they reshot the whole thing.  I think that makes a ton of sense.  I thought there were some continuity errors (like Bullseye surviving the fall without much fanfare) but I think that makes a lot of sense.  I'd also heard that there was almost no Daredevil in the original version and 2.75 episodes in, there's been very little Daredevil.

So it makes sense, although I'm a little disappointed that we're still getting 2/3 of a show that was deemed unwatchable.  I think what we've seen so far is pretty good.  But it's a little different through the lens of seeing it as a Frankenstein creation.

I do agree with you on the oddity of both a separation from the Netflix show and the MCU.  I agree that the public probably wouldn't be massively in favor of slander of heroes.  Even street level vigilantes, I assume, would be popular celebrities.  So when it's argued that heroes like Daredevil or Spider-Man or White Tiger are criminals hiding their faces, I don't think that would really fly in a world where Iron Man and Captain America brought half the living beings in the universe back to life by punching a big purple guy.

In episode 3, no spoilers, there was a scene where Daredevil is trying to protect someone and has his PI associate protecting him.  And I'm like "you know She-Hulk".  I know whether or not he knows Spider-Man is a tricky question but he knows Spider-Man!  He knows Luke Cage and Jessica Jones.  Why is he letting a retired cop protect this guy when he knows different people depending on what is canon.

This all kinda goes into the soup of "what is the MCU after Endgame?"  Because we've had so many hours of material, but I still don't think this feels like a cohesive universe anymore.  Like during Falcon and the Winter Solider, they talked about all the way the worlds' governments responded to billions of people returning from the dead.  I thought it would be super useful for these TV shows to give more street-level info on this world and how normal people are reacting to stuff in the Marvel universe.

And it turns out that no one seems to even care or talk about the Snap anymore.  No one talks about superheroes.  It's just our world with minor changes.  And I think, especially in a show that's doing what Daredevil is doing, we should be getting the big differences with our world and their world.  And they don't seem to want to commit to that, whether they think it messes with the realism of Daredevil or what.  But I think it's okay to ask the question "what is the point of Daredevil when there's a flying Captain America"

And I think the answer should be the same thing that Captain Marvel told the Avengers in Endgame.  There are a lot of people who aren't directly protected by the Avengers.  That's what Daredevil and White Tiger and Kamala Khan and Moon Knight and those people are for.  Or, at least, that's what I think they should be for.

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To me, Trump's biggest flaw isn't his incompetence.  If anything, I think it's the thing about him that I like the most.  If Trump were competent, I think he'd be much more dangerous.  The fact that the Hitler we're getting is really bad at his job might actually save the US because Trump is really really bad at getting things done.

My issue with Trump is that he doesn't seem to ever have the American people's best interests at heart.  I'm not sure he hates the United States, but he certainly does a lot of things to actively hurt it.  If Trump actually loved the United States and wanted it to be great, I wouldn't hate Trump as much (obviously, I still would).  But Trump is actively trying to sell the country out.  He's actively trying to diminish the country and make it less safe for my children.  He's attacking allies that we will need to placate powers we need to be standing up to.  And he's convincing my fellow countrymen that it's okay to do that.

I was thinking about what could get Americans united.  And if Russians actively attacked the US.  Let's say Russia invaded Alaska and secured some of our oil fields there.  Instead of rallying around a common enemy, I bet the narrative would be either that the Russians didn't really do it or that it's okay that they did.  If aliens attacked and we needed to unite as a species, it would either be that the alien invasion is fake or that it's good that they're taking over.

I think, with time, some of this will go away.  I thought it would need to be defeating Trump in a spectacular fashion.  At this point, it may need to be Trump failing in a spectacular fashion, even if it means the next president will need to dig us out of economic and social catastrophe.

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So small spoilers for episode one of Daredevil.  Not a major spoiler or anything you wouldn't see coming from a mile away (and yes you're in the right place).

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So Fisk becomes mayor of NYC.  And the parallels to Trump are pretty aggressive.  It's a little upsetting to see, but here's the thing that I keep thinking:

I think Fisk is better than Trump.

Fisk is a literal murderer, but in scenes where it doesn't make sense for him to lie or put on a show, he talks about wanting to be better.  He talks about how much he loves the city.  Maybe he's doing it for money or power or whatever, but as mayor, he starts making improvements.  He doesn't appear to be sexist or racist or selling out the people for his personal gain. 

Fisk is a bad guy, but at least he's making an effort.  I haven't seen Trump make an effort once in a decade.  And we know a lot more about Fisk than we do about Trump.  I'm sure there are bodies that belong to Trump.  He almost certainly hasn't done it himself like Fisk would, but I'd be shocked if he hasn't had people killed. 

I used to think it was so silly that a comic book villain would be elected mayor or president.  President Lex Luthor seemed so ridiculous and over the top.  And here's the thing:

I think Lex Luthor is better than Trump.

Lex is a monster, but I do think he cares about humanity.  He wants things done his way, and he wants to be the guy that gets celebrated...but he occasionally will step up and fight with the heroes when he realizes what side he needs to be on.  Do you think Trump would do that?  I certainly don't.

In some ways, we live in the ridiculous world.

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I've started Daredevil: Born Again.  One problem, and it's a problem we've seen with the MCU in general with the additional output, is how does this connect to anything?  And it's not like "Daredevil lives in his own space" because he's appeared in two things in the MCU already.  I'm not fully done, but I'm not sure how Born Again ties in with She-Hulk.  When does this take place?  I don't think we need Sam Wilson to cameo, but it would be nice for this to feel like it exists in the MCU, unlike the original three seasons.

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I talked about it after the election.  I think he has the means to try it.  I think there's enough a) support for Trump and b) political apathy that he could probably make it happen without massive civil unrest.  All he has to do is use the FBI to "prove" that elections are unsafe or under attack and "delay" them.  And the delay never ends.

Reasons to not be pessimistic:

- Trump is very old.  Who knows if he'll survive the four years that he's president.  Who knows what mental state he'll be in four years from now.  Look at how Biden aged from 2020 to 2024, and Trump is aging the exact same number of years. 
- Trump enjoys all the attention he's getting and wants that to continue.  He's still in the "honeymoon" phase and everything is still new and exciting.  Let's see how he's doing when his approval rating goes back in the toilet and he has to spend all day defending all the stupid things he's done.  If being president is fun, this is the fun part.  We know Trump ran to keep himself out of prison and because he enjoys when people call him Mr. President.  There's no way he enjoys most of the rest of the job.  I thought there was a chance he wouldn't run again because the job was probably a pain in the butt - he has to wake up early and people make him read stuff and he has to talk to reporters and all that stuff.  I don't know if the charges against him changed the calculus or not, but I think there's a decent chance he doesn't want the job anymore.

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I'm still not watching any news or reading anything or involving myself in this stuff.  Good luck to everyone that is.

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Okay so I saw Cap 4.

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Hmmm, I think you might be too hard on Captain America: Brave New World.  While I certainly agree that this is a Hulk movie acting like a Captain America movie, I do think a lot of it works as a Captain America movie.  I think it seems like it's trying to be the Winter Soldier (it feels as close to that as any movie since), and I think Captain America's relationship with the president is something that should be explored.  And then it's a natural extension, for me at least, to bring in Ross' supporting characters.

It could've been a purer Captain America movie if they'd Sidewinder the main villain (instead of the Leader) and made the president someone else.  But then I assume you lose the Red Hulk and the movie becomes something more potentially forgettable like Thor: The Dark World.

I think the movie probably would've been better served to have Bruce Banner in it, but I can see why they didn't want to go that route.  If Banner is there, he might overshadow Sam in his first movie.  It was okay to have Downey in Civil War and make that a mini-Avengers movie because it was Chris Evans' third movie.  If you make it a Hulk movie starring Captain America, it might be a bad look.  Especially for the first movie for a black Captain America.  You don't want that to turn into, on purpose or by accident, "The Hulk and his buddy Sam"

I think there were two natural stories for this movie.  One is perfect but logistically impossible.  The other I'm not sure why they didn't do, but it might have been too late to pivot.

1. Make it a Captain Hydra story.  What's the villain that would affect Sam the most: Steve.  What's the theme of this saga of MCU movies: the Multiverse.  If you bring back Chris Evans as Captain Hydra, brought into this universe by...something...and you have Sam having to face all his fears and hopes and dreams.  He gets to literally see if he's a better Captain America than Steve.  I think that movie is a better story for Sam, it's a better fit for the Multiverse Saga, and it's a bigger draw for people to have Chris Evans return.  But I think they're saving that for later, which is a shame.

2. Make it a "Putting the Avengers back together" story.  Maybe even some kind of Oceans 11 type movie where Sam spends the first act going to see Scott and Rhodey and Shuri and the other Earth-based heroes and trying to figure out who wants to join the team.  They'd all turn him down for one reason or another, but we'd also get to get status updates on everyone.  He tries to reach out to Captain Marvel or Thor or whoever.  Maybe it pivots into some kind of Young Avengers movie with Sam as the leader.  I don't know.  But I think it would make the universe feel cohesive again to have an understanding of what's going on in this universe because I think that's what we're missing. 

In so many ways, the world of the MCU is so much bigger, but we have no idea the state of the world right now.  Why aren't there any Avengers?  Even if most of the original Avengers died, retired, or moved on....there were a hundred Avengers at the fight in Endgame.  None of them wanted to stick around and keep doing good?  That's why I think phases 4-6 should've been about "what does it mean to be an Avenger?" "Can you have a life and be an Avenger or is being an Avenger your life?"  "Does the world need the Avengers" - stuff like that.  I think right now we don't understand what's going on, and that's the reason why the MCU is struggling to me.

But back to the movie we did get.  I think one of my other disappointments is that we didn't really get much of Sam's life.  Nando v Movies brought this up in his review, but Sam's life seems to be pretty changed from where he was in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.  Where's his family?  Where's his nephew(s)?  What is his deal - he seems to have some kind of headquarters.  Who's paying for that?  Who sends him on missions?  Is he a mercenary for good?  He seems to be enjoying being Captain America, but how's the rest of his life going?

Other than that, I thought the movie had good action.  I think the character moments we got with Sam were pretty good.  I still don't understand his position on the super soldier serum, but that doesn't bother me too much.  It was bizarre that we kept getting references to the Celestial but not a single reference to the Eternals.  I think the movie felt pretty unique - I didn't think it felt like any other MCU movie before.  I liked seeing the Leader, although I didn't love the look they gave him.  I think Giancarlo Esposito was wasted a bit, although he was good with what he was given.

All in all, I didn't hate it.  I think there were some wasted opportunities, but I can understand why they went the route they went.  I'm hoping that this can be considered the end of the "Covid era" of MCU because I do think Covid ruined a ton of the post-Endgame era.  With scheduling delays and changed storylines and altered release schedules and abandoned ideas, I think Covid messed with a lot of the master plan.  And I'm hoping Thunderbolts or Fantastic Four, which started development in the post-Covid era (at least FF did), can start to fix the heading of the ship.

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I thought it was also very odd that Riri Williams, who only appeared in the BLACK PANTHER sequel, got a whole episode of focus; we barely know the prime Riri, so showing an alternate version isn't very meaningful.

Multiverse of Madness and No Way Home were originally flipped.  There's concept art that shows America Chavez helping out Spider-Man, and the Dr Strange in No Way Home was supposed to be the evil Dr Strange from Multiverse of Madness that defeated our Dr Strange in that movie.  Multiverse of Madness was supposed to end with a cliffhanger that had Dr Strange defeated and trapped on an alternate Earth.

It makes sense when you think about it.  The movie is pretty nonchalant with parallel universe stuff, and that's because audiences were supposed to be introduced to the Multiverse in Dr Strange.  America showing up would've helped the kids understand what was happening and how to stop it.  And, the biggest, Dr Strange's behavior is explained.  Instead of doing this really irresponsible spell that almost gets the universe destroyed, it's a bad guy doing it.

The same thing happened with Ironheart and What If Season 3.  Ironheart was supposed to be out by now - it finished filming in November 2022.  So I'm guessing it was supposed to air in 2023 or at the very least early 2024.  Not only would audiences get to meet Riri but they'd also meet The Hood (who shows up in the Wild West episode).  In both cases, the episodes probably make more sense when you have any idea who those people are.

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I'm not upset about spoilers, I'm just confused.  I hope it isn't that they don't care because I think Thunderbolts could be a lot of fun, and I think adding Taskmaster to trick audiences should be fairly cheap or easy.  I don't think they needed to reshoot the whole movie with Taskmaster to fool audiences, but they could've shot certain shots with Taskmaster in the background and used those shots for the trailer.  If they didn't want to pay the actress to show up (and I don't even know if they paid whoever was in Black Widow to come back for this), they could've used anyone - Taskmaster wears a mask.

Now that I'm off social media, I do try to avoid spoilers (it's much easier), but it doesn't bother me if I read something.   Sometimes I forget while watching a movie and can maintain suspense.

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Obviously since I'm here I love multiverse stories, but I think Phases 4-6 should not have been multiverse themed.  I think it should've been "Avengers Disassembled" and should've been about the world losing its heroes.  We are almost done with this saga of movies, and we still have no idea what the state of the Avengers is.  I haven't seen Captain America yet (I might see it tonight), but even that would be pretty late in the game for us to have almost no information.  Does the team still exist?  In what form?  Who's on it?  Where are the others?  The only indication we have that there is any sort of team is in the post credits of Shang Chi.

I think Sam Wilson should've been the star of Phases 4-6, and it should've been him trying to hold the Avengers together after he takes the mantle of Cap (which happened very early in Phase 4).  He should've shown up in most of the movies, pleading with Thor to stay on Earth or pleading with Dr Strange to stick around.  And in the absence of those guys, he should be active in recruiting new people.  Something like Multiverse of Madness should've featured a patchwork Avengers failing to stop a threat and Dr Strange coming to save the day.

Instead of....nothing...the running story through Phase 4-6 should be that the Avengers were a special group that cannot be easily replicated.  Tony loved being Iron Man, Steve Rogers had no life, Banner was an outcast, Thor didn't know many people off the team, and Barton/Natasha were soldiers that treated it like a job.  Most of the remaining team have lives they want to maintain.

I don't think we necessarily needed every movie to be a mini Avengers movie, but we needed the movies to tell the story of a world that doesn't have a team standing by anymore.  So solo movies should've been about heroes taking on too much or struggling to work in a broken team.  Movies like Ant-Man and Thor and Dr Strange should've been about legacy members trying to make it work as the ones left to carry the mantle.  And new characters should've been about Sam trying to find people that can work together.

And phase six could end with the Avengers figuring it out and starting a new team that allows members to come and go and respond when they can.

Phases 7-9 could be Multiverse as we see this new team facing versions of the old team (and themselves) coming back to haunt them.

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Spoilers for Thunderbolts, probably.

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So the trailers for this movie have been pretty good, I think.  I think it will be a fun team, and I think the characters will have a chance to expand.  But we saw it with Suicide Squad, and we're seeing it with Thunderbolts.  The team being advertised is six people: Bucky, Yelena, Red Guardian, John Walker, Ghost, and Taskmaster.  Except all the major scenes only have five members.  In the elevator, it's five.  When they're walking down the street together, it's five.  When Red Guardian is giving his big speech, it's five.

Taskmaster clearly dies very early in this film, and the marketing isn't even trying to hide it.  Unlike when they hid Spider-Man in the Civil War trailer until their big reveal or hid Fat Thor in the Endgame marketing or they hid the Spider-Men in No Way Home or they added back in the Hulk for Infinity War...they aren't even doing any trickery.  They aren't going back in and adding Taskmaster to make it seem like she's in this movie.  In the Super Bowl spot (which I really like), she's essentially tacked on to the end of it to make it seem like she's in the movie even though she's barely in the trailer before that. 

Now the trailer mostly ignores Ghost as well, but at least she's involved in the action.  You can tell she's in the movie.  We know Taskmaster is in the big ambush sequence (I assume at the very beginning) but she's basically gone in every other shot.  So like Slipknot in the original Suicide Squad, I assume she's only in the movie to die and slightly raise the stakes.  Which is fine...but I would've preferred if Marvel wasn't openly parading that in all the trailers.

Especially since Taskmaster wears a mask.  They could've had a stuntperson in the Taskmaster costume for every shot and use those shots in the trailer.  When they're just standing around listening to Red Guardian's speech, throw in the Taskmaster double for the trailers.  In the car ride that Bucky attacks, throw Taskmaster in for the trailers.  If that's too expensive, throw her in in post.  Not in every shot but just enough for us to believe that she's in more than one scene.

It's no big deal at the end of the day, but I'd either prefer they ignore her completely or add her back in.  The way they're doing is a little awkward.

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I'm seeing Captain America this week.  I've heard nothing but bad things but I'm hopeful it'll be entertaining.

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The Canadian character is also blessed with excellent precision: we know not to strike our friends even as we retaliate against our enemies. We know our enemies are not Grizzlor, Slider_Quinn21, pilight, Temporal Flux or even Informant. We know who we're fighting.

Make no mistake: even though we're currently in a transition (the soon to be former prime minister resigned, Slider_Quinn21 needs some time to think), we Canadians are furious, we have electricity and we're not afraid to stop selling it, we have long memories, and we hold very bitter grudges.

On behalf of all Americans, we are sorry.  Canada is supposed to be our friend, and I don't know why we're treating our friends this way.  We also do not want to make you an American state.  At the moment, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

I hope America can find its way out of what we've become, and I hope Canada will forgive us when we do.

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Biden absolutely shouldn't have run for another term.  He ended up doing the right thing, but it was too late.  If you look the way the wind ended up blowing, it might not have mattered no matter who the candidate was.

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Personally, I set that selection over election aside because I liked Kamala. pilight did not set it aside, and pilgiht has every right to not set that aside and to consider it indicting and disqualifying and a clear indication that Kamala should never have been the nominee. As his facts are correct, he has the right to offer an opinion of the facts, and he should not be abused and harassed for it.

pilight has every right to hold and present his personal reaction to the objective facts of Kamala being selected, not elected. pilight did not make up his own facts. pilight did not attack others for declining to accept his personal reactions and speculations. I can't say what's going on in pilight's mind because he's been guarded on that, but his conduct has been exemplary in sharing his personal opinion as a personal opinion, and he has not engaged in conversation hijacking or false accusations or abuse and harassment.

I agree with all that.  I only disagree with the premise that there was ever a chance of an open primary.  If the Democrats would've run a primary, anyone that could've beaten Trump would've chosen to sit it out.  It would've been a primary for the sake of doing a primary, and it would've ended up with the same result.  I guess you could technically argue that if they'd spent 4-6 weeks doing a primary across the country that Kamala's "honeymoon period" could have come later and maybe that would've helped her.  But I doubt it.

I also think that even if Kamala had chosen not to run, there wouldn't have been a true open primary.  It was political suicide for Kamala to run herself.  Losing a presidential election is typically career death (which is why Trump still won't admit he lost), and it would've killed the career of Whitmer or Newsom to run on a shortened timeline and lose.

pilight is perfectly okay to think it mattered.  And I think he's right if Biden had dropped out in 2022.  But aside from that, I think a phony primary that Kamala would've easily won wouldn't have affected the outcome one bit.  And a true primary would've taken way too much time and probably also wouldn't have affected the outcome one bit.

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I'm sorry, guys.  I had a rough day yesterday (no big deal, nothing consequential) and I don't have the heart to chime in here right now.  Maybe I will later.  I guess my half-hearted response would be some combination of the same argument I made in regard to Grizzlor (we can't afford to lose anyone and we need varied viewpoints) and "go back to your corners and cool down."  I don't want QuinnSlidr to leave, and I don't like the idea of any sort of temporary ban in this case, but I do agree that QuinnSlidr should probably voluntarily avoid this post for his own mental health.  And maybe do the same with the news.  It can be stressful and a break from it might help.

For my two cents, I'll say this:

1. Kamala wasn't directly elected by primary voters

2. Outside of Biden stepping down months earlier, I don't see how it's logistically possible for the voters to have done a second primary.  And I don't recall that ever being something that was on the table.  And I think if they did something like that, it would've gone exactly the way that Biden's primary went - a couple of random nobodies would have run against her and she would've easily won.

Would some kind of fake primary have helped Kamala win?  I can't imagine there's any chance of that.  So I think, in the end, that argument is invalid.  Biden "won a primary' but did he?  People voted for him, but (and I apologize for this comparison), Putin wins a lot of elections.  Because the elections aren't real elections but just rubber stamps to make us feel better.

The real problem is that we think that incumbents shouldn't be challenged.  We think challenging a sitting incumbent is a sign of weakness, and it will expose the incumbent to challenges in the general election.

And my response to that is "....good?"  If an incumbent can't beat a challenge in a primary, they probably can't win a challenge in a general election.  And if the point of a primary is to get the best possible candidate, then every primary should be an open primary.  The problem is that people assume all primaries are going to be dirty and negative.  I think if the Democrats had run a true open primary but kept it positive, it wouldn't have hurt anyone.  And if Biden was the best candidate, he'd win.  If not, then "....good?"

The problem with the Democrats in the two elections they lost to Trump is that they kept saying how important it was to defeat Trump, but they didn't make any effort to get the best Democrat.  Hillary didn't face a true primary and neither did Biden or Harris.  I'm not convinced that Newsom or Whitmer or Mayor Pete could've beaten Trump, especially with how things went.  It seems like Trump was always going to win.  But in 2016, Hillary was just so historically unpopular in her own party and then went out of her way to alienate the Bernie voters.  She was clearly the better candidate, but she wasn't electable because of all her baggage with voters.

And I'm guessing if anyone had joined in a primary against her, they would've beaten her and probably won the presidency.  Heck a super old crazy socialist (my own editorializing - I like Bernie but I think that description fits) made it way closer than it should've been, and no one had ever heard of him previously. A real candidate would've beaten her the same way Trump beat her.  Obviously if Biden's son hadn't died, I think he would've run and won.

So in summary, I don't think a primary would've mattered because I don't think a real primary would've happened.  Everyone lined up behind Kamala - that was the primary.  It would've been a waste of time to frantically throw together a process where people would put Kamala's name on a ballot just to check a box.  And they didn't have any time.

And again, I don't think anyone was going to beat Trump.  I think Kamala did as well as anyone else would've.

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So as a favor to me, everyone should calm down and take a breath.  Everything sucks right now, and as a favor to me, just drop it and let's move forward.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD7G0M6GbJs

This sums up my "Democrats need to reach stupid voters to win" argument.

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I have a friend who is a public school administrator in a mostly-Hispanic school in North Texas.  He's nervous because all the immigration rumor mill is driving everyone crazy at his school.  And now there's apparently some executive order that forces all schools to be patriotic (his words, I didn't read the order or look into it). 

Literally everything that's coming out of the White House makes my stomach churn.  This is why my head is going six feet into the sand.

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But even that is fixable in time.  You can rehire the people that leave the government or hire new people.  We've had bad presidents before.  We've had terrible presidents before.  The next president cleans up whatever mess is created.

I maintain that Trump is a singular enemy and that "Trumpism" doesn't have the same ferocity without Trump both being alive and in power.  Even if you're being really generous, Trump is dead in ten years.  And without their messiah, I don't know if there's any singular vision for Trumpism.  It could splinter.  It very well might split the party in two or more pieces.  His voters will almost certainly splinter.

There's a light at the end of the tunnel.  It might be two years away, it might be four years away, it might be 100 years away.  But Trump won't win forever.

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If there's one thing that helps me not go crazy because of Trump's win, it's this: unless Trump takes the drastic step to eliminate elections (which could work because of the many ways its worked in the past or could blow up in his face), anything he does is reversible, some of which could be reversed four years from now.  Even if Trump ruins the economy or guts the government or gets 9 Republican members on the Supreme Court, it can be fixed.  The last one would obviously take decades, but it's all reversible.  Trump's presidency will fade.  His influence will fade.  His legacy will fade.  And unless he's infamous, before long he'll just be in a list of names that most people can't remember every name on.

Donald Trump wants to live forever and for his name to echo forever.  But some day, sooner than he'd like, he will be dead and his name will eventually be a footnote to most people that aren't presidential scholars.

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Disney+ released the first two episodes of "Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man" - I think they were entertaining, but it's weird that this show exists.  I get that they don't want to isolate themselves to a small section of MCU Peter's story, and I guess the cartoons are all kinda their own thing (What If is the most MCU-relevant and even that doesn't really take place in the main MCU universe at all).

Oh and people are mad that they race-swapped the Osborns, and they're also mad that they race and gender swapped Dr. Connors.

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I really thought Kamala had momentum, and I thought the math was on her side.  I thought she'd at least eke out a 270-268 win, and I was starting to really hope that the polls had it wrong enough that she could win overwhelmingly.  The fact that he won still blows my mind, and I probably haven't allowed myself to come to terms with it.  The fact that he won the popular vote really blows my mind.

So my opinion is worth nothing, it seems.

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I think it's important to let people reassess their thoughts and clarify.  I think it's possible that Grizzlor has some misconceptions, and I think people should be allowed to make mistakes.  This thread is called "Discuss and Debate" and I think it's important that we have differing viewpoints.  Informant went off the deep end, but I think we lost something when we lost our most conservative voice.  I think a Republican (not necessarily a kool-aid MAGA person) might've helped us understand what happened and why it happened.  In our case, since we were all fairly behind Kamala, we were a bit lost.  It was more of a consolation session than a debate.

Grizzlor has been a member here for almost ten years and God knows how much longer before that.  He's been in the Sliders community for around as long as I have (the Sliders BBoard Hall of Fame has his oldest post in 2002 and mine in 1999 but both are probably before either of those dates), and I don't think he meant to offend.  I don't want to speak for him, but I think he would take the time to think about how his remarks bothered you and try to either reframe, restate, or form a new opinion.

We have a handful of people that post here.  Informant has the third most posts and hasn't made a post in six years.  He, Transmodiar and ominmercurial are in the top ten in posters that haven't posted in years.  We had 8 registrations in 2024 who made zero posts.  I want everyone to be kind, but this group isn't going to get any bigger.  The last episode of Sliders aired 25 years ago next week.  I would like Grizzlor to feel welcome here, and I want Grizzlor to make others feel more welcome here.

That's my thoughts.

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Ughhhh.  I know it can happen to anyone, but I'm really disappointed.  I'm interested to see what his response is on the podcast.  Or if the podcast continues, I suppose.

I watched it.  It wasn't really bad.  It was just...nothing.  I don't think I gained anything by watching it, and I don't understand what the point was even if this went to series.  If we wanted a "spies but Star Trek", we could do Starfleet Intelligence.  Especially if these guys are supposed to be mostly good guys.  If there's Starfleet oversight into Section 31 to make sure they don't do anything Starfleet wouldn't approve of, then there's literally no point in Section 31.

What the Georgiou movie should've been

This movie shouldn't have taken place in the Prime universe.  Georgiou should've been sent back to the mirror universe and should've tried to get back to her position of power, only to uncover a plot to take over the Prime Universe.  And she should've had a change of heart and decided to thwart the plan.  To stick with canon, I imagine she couldn't have regained her power, but maybe she ends as some kind of 3rd party mercenary doing some good.  I don't know.  But "MIRROR UNIVERSE STARRING OSCAR WINNER MICHELLE YEOH" would've sold as well as Section 31:the Movie.  Maybe better.

What is Section 31?

I think Section 31 is mostly entertaining, but it fails in a couple ways.  It does nothing to help us understand Section 31, either in this era or trying to mash it into something that fits in the DS9 era.  I'm pretty good at headcanon, and I still can't think of a great way to fix this.  And I truly hate new Trek's way of "here's a deliberate screw up of canon and we'll write a way around it later"

I would've rather had new Trek do that thing where they invent a dark ops Starfleet division, and then at the end of it, Section 31 shows up and shuts it down because *they're* the real dark ops Starfleet division.  Make it one of those things where it looks like they don't know their canon - have it called "Darkfleet" or something stupid like that - and then at the end, two guys dressed like Sloan show up and shut it all down.  Or recruit whoever into the real Section 31.  Basically retcon it like they did the Mandarin in the MCU.

But this watered down Section 31 that's out in the open just doesn't jive with what we've already seen.  And this movie doesn't help that in any way.

I just didn't think this movie needed to be made the way that it was, and I think they need to stop with Section 31 unless they're going to do a Q-level mindwipe of the entire galaxy.  I love ireactions' idea of "Section 31 captured a Q somehow" - that could be a really cool story.  And if it ends with the Q forcing Section 31 to go deep deep underground, then...sure.  But outside of that, leave the whole thing alone.  You've done enough.

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ireactions wrote:

I consider myself non-binary, which can fall under a transgender categorization.

I've definitely misgendered you in the past.  At the risk of being woke, what are your pronouns?

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In the interest of being our resident peacemaker, I want to add some things:

1. I don't think Grizzlor meant to offend
2. I don't think Grizzlor is MAGA

I add the second point because of the question I asked: where does Grizzlor get his news.  And I ask because I feel like, oftentimes, Grizzlor uses language and talking points that I've seen come from right-leaning politicians and media members.  The fact that he's regularly used the word "woke" is, in particular, odd to me.  Because, up until the date of the election, I considered myself to be pretty plugged in to the discourse, and I'm still not 100% sure I could define what wokeness is.  When you ask MAGA, they describe it in a sort of "you know it when you see it" or "I know I don't like it" way.

If I was forced to guess, "woke" means treating people with kindness and empathy regardless of what their situation is, and trying to get to a place where everyone can be treated fairly and equally.  So if a person gets here illegally in pursuit of a better life, it's finding a way to treat them with respect and try to help them find that better life they sought.  If it's a transgender person, it's helping them find their true self and treating them the way they want to be treated.  If it's a black male, it's helping them navigate the systemic racism that exists in our society (whether we want to see it or not) so that they can have the same opportunities that I (a white male) have.

I don't think being woke is negative.  I also don't think I saw Democrats embracing "woke" or "being woke" or even defending aspects of "being woke."  When asked about transgender prisoners getting sex change operations, Kamala Harris said she followed the law.  The same law that was followed under Trump's administration.  And yet it was twisted into some sort of ridiculous plan by Harris to turn everyone transgender.  Trump talked about kids leaving for school one gender and coming back another.  As if that process doesn't take months/years, and as if schools are allowed to give major surgeries in some sort of coat closet without parental consent.  What's true is that schools can't even give out an aspirin without parental consent.

Republicans have created this word and then they create conservative nightmares out of thin air.  They twist words and they find extreme examples and make it seem like it's the norm.  If "woke" is "being nice to someone even if they're different" then I don't see a problem with it.  If "woke" is forcing children to undergo dangerous surgeries against their will, then that's just a boogeyman that never has and never would exist.

So I feel like Grizzlor must get his news from something right-leaning even if that's not his intention.

Now I do think Grizzlor is right that Democrats need to veer away from socially liberal topics because Republicans have made them incredibly toxic.  Ted Cruz, someone who is generally pretty hated in Texas even by conservatives, was able to win what should've been at least a pretty competitive race by running almost exclusively on "Colin Allred wants to sex change your kid".  He didn't run on the border or the economy or anything else.  Just trans issues.

I don't know how they pivot away from these issues without leaving behind people that have already been abandoned by too many people, but I don't see how Democrats can win if they don't minimize their public support for stuff like this.

Democrats need to focus on economic issues and helping low-income people.  Anything else they need to put to the side for now.  Society will come around and support marginalized peoples - it always does - but now seems to be a time when progress simply isn't going to be able to be made.

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I can't speak to anything that's happening because I'm actively not paying attention, but Grizzlor, I'm genuinely curious where you get your news.

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I do know that people here in Texas are either really excited or really nervous about the ICE raids.  I guess I'm just waiting on everything to get super expensive.  Illegal immigrants cook a lot of our food, wash our dishes, build a lot of stuff, work on our oil derricks, and take care of our lawns.  I don't know who people think are going to do all these jobs if we get rid of everyone here illegally, but I know that whoever takes the job is going to cost a lot more.  Gasoline and restaurant prices are definitely going to go up, and I assume yards in richer areas simply won't get taken care of because the labor will just be gone.

And of course the people who complain the most would never be willing to do any of these jobs themselves.

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The resulting film is so narratively bland and devoid of life or purpose that I don't understand why they made it.

My guess is trying to capitalize on the fact that they had an Academy Award winning actress.  I assume if "Everything everywhere all at once" didn't exist, this movie wouldn't either.

I'm like 20 minutes in, and I don't think anything has happened?  I'm not sure I remember where Georgiou ended up on Discovery.  I know she was dying because she switched times and universes, and the Guardian helped her.  But I guess they just sent her back to the original Discovery time period?  Wouldn't it have been more interesting to put her back in the Mirror Universe and have a movie set there?

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

I 100% agree with you on that one, Slider_Quinn21. But, my notifications for all the major news apps (ABC7, CNN, MSNBC) are setup as such that everything that happens comes through on my iPhone, so I get short headlines from all the major news networks. So it's hard to tune everything out. I can only handle this in small doses anyway.

The day after the election, I cleaned out my phone.  I deleted the Apple News app, I got rid of the news widget on the far end of my home screen, and I made my browsers (at home and work) default to a blank screen instead of a "random news" screen.  I'm not withdrawing fully from the world - I don't go out of my way to avoid news - I find out plenty from my friends' group chat and just existing in the world.  And I'm not going to go out of my way to slam my head so far in the ground that I don't know about stuff like the LA wildfires or stuff like that.  Even trying to avoid inauguration stuff, I organically found out that it'd been moved inside.

But I'm off social media (I've been off twitter for a while and I haven't been on facebook since election night), and I've eliminated any way my phone can update me on stuff.  I am actively avoiding listening to the news when my wife has it on, and I will absolutely avoid when my in-laws have Fox News on (I'll go to a different room).  But I'll find out about stuff second hand and that's fine with me.

As far as what Trump's done, none of that is too unexpected.  And honestly, I know things are going to get bad but any executive order that Trump does can be undone by the next guy.  Now if Bolton gets killed that's obviously permanent, but the rest of it can be fixed in four years.  The Paris Accords will have lasting damage, but that was to be expected.  I expect things to be bad with Trump, and I'm prepared for a lot of bad stuff.  What scares me is stuff that can't be undone or we can't come back from.  And we won't really know that until we see if we have free and fair elections in 2026 and 2028.

I did talk with one of my friends the other day, and he said he's somewhat optimistic that the MAGA movement might schism in 2026.  After the midterms, Republicans don't have any use for Trump anymore.  He can't run again (assuming we have elections), and they're going to have to pivot to giving Vance credit for whatever is happening (like Democrats did with Harris).  That could fracture the base because there are people that aren't Republicans - they're only loyal to Trump.  So what do those people do when Trump is out of the picture?  Trump's endorsements obviously help, but they aren't foolproof.  And when I was monitoring this stuff online, they're just as quick to turn against Republicans that aren't fully loyal to Trump as they are Democrats.

I don't know.  Maybe something to keep an eye on.

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

Slider_Quinn21: How much good will do you think that Trump threw away today with all of his executive orders?

My guess: 250%. And then some.

We're not part of the Paris Climate Accords anymore as of today.

Thankfully, at least, the clown is unable to will away birthright citizenship because it is a constitutional right.

God help us all.

I would love to chime in, but I have no idea what Trump did yesterday.  I paid no attention to his inauguration - I only found out it had been moved inside in passing.  I took my kids to a basketball game and watched no news.  As my wife watched the news this morning, I listened to a comic book podcast while I helped get the kids ready for school.

I don't know what Trump did, and I'm going to do my best to not find out on my own.  Anything I learn might come from here.  I'm not adverse to knowing, but I'm not going to allow that man any more headspace for me.  If he wants to burn the world down, I'll enjoy whatever time I have left.

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I think both things can be true:

1. I think Democrats need to reform.  They needed to reform even if they'd won.  The current makeup of the party isn't sustainable and the people want different things.  They can't be the party of the working class and suburban educated people.  It doesn't work.  They need to shift back to what the party was trying to be under Obama, and that means winning back the MAGA people that voted for Obama.  That was a winning formula.  Clinton/Biden/Harris's route is too dangerous and relies exclusively on people hating Trump.

2. Things aren't that bad.  And Trump is going to immediately throw any goodwill he gets out.  His ideas are disastrous, and if he implements anything he wants, it will make the economy way worse than it was under Biden.

And pointing at the approval rating is pointless.  We are at a really polarized situation where the opposite party will say they disapprove no matter what the president is doing.  The maximum approval rating is 50%.  So unless you get everyone in your own party to approve, that's the best you can do.  Trump will have similar approval ratings no matter what he does, and I expect his to get much worse.

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Yeah.  It's not necessarily a terrible era to be in.  The Empire is gone but there's new dangers.  There's an excitement of something new.  I don't think the First Order has shown up in any way in any of these shows.  It feels exciting and fun.

But it's like setting a fun show in the World Trade Center in the late 90s.  It's a morbid thought but the entire New Republic is destroyed in the Force Awakens.  By the end of the Last Jedi, the entire Resistance can fit on one ship.  There's just an ominous feel to this whole era.  Even when things are good, you know it eventually turns very bad.

I know I harp on this a lot, but it's just such a dark cloud on any new Star Wars.

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Okay I watched all of Skeleton Crew.  Overall it was a fun story and I'm glad it exists.  I do have two comments, one spoilery and one not.  If you don't want spoilers, just stop here.

1. I like that the people on At Attin refer to "The Great Work" - I'm confident that phase wasn't even original to Sliders when they did it two decades ago, but it definitely made me think of Sliders.

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2. So...Wim is definitely dead in canon?  Skeleton Crew takes place in 9 ABY and the Force Awakens is 25-30 years later.  The ending seems to imply that Wim's destiny is to work with the New Republic, possibly flying an X-Wing.  But if that's the case, Wim is going to put himself right into the middle of what we know is a losing fight.

Now obviously some people working for the New Republic survived and either went into hiding or joined the Resistance.  And I'm sure fan theories will pick a specific background actor who must be Wim to prove that he survived through Rise of Skywalker.  But that's the issue with dealing with this stuff at this time when we know how bad things get.

To me, if Star Wars starts again, they need to leave this era.  Either go 1000 years ahead or 1000 years behind.  I think this era is too bogged down.  Let's say that Rey and her friends finally defeated the evil and restarted a more modern Jedi and they thrived for 1000 years.  Now let's do something new.

Yeah, still doing well here in Texas, although we've had some snow.  Thanks for looking out!

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I guess I'd like to see stories that show that these characters can all be leaders.  That the Avengers can take many shapes.  That there isn't just one road to victory.

Maybe what an Avengers would've looked like if Tony didn't make it out of the cave.  What the Avengers would've looked like if Zeus sent Loki to Earth to learn a lesson instead of Thor.  What if Rhodey was Captain America instead of War Machine?

But I would try and branch things off of something that happened in one of the movies.  Make it a direct connection to what happened instead of only new ideas.