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If I had faith in free and fair elections, this would look terrible for Republicans.  They're basically forced to hope that people don't watch the videos or are willing to be fully lied to.  They're also walking a fine line with their second amendment base by speaking out against people carrying legally in Minnesota.  It'll be interesting if Democrats can find some common ground (that Republicans are forced to take) and can get some gun control stuff passed.  But while the Republicans are being pretty evil, the Democrats have been completely unable to seize the moment.

In fact, polling suggests that Kamala Harris would be the frontrunner to win the 2028 nomination.  As happy as I was to vote for her in 2024, I think it would be a disaster if she were the nominee in 2028.  To me, the only candidate is Newsom because he's been the only one to stand up to Trump and beat him at his own game.  I think they'd have a real chance to pick up some of the apolitical people who voted for Trump.  Those people only care about Trump's "alpha male personality" and that's where Newsom has been hitting Trump.  Since those people don't care about issues, they should have no issue jumping from Trump to Newsom.  But they'd never vote for Harris.

Trump has historically low approval ratings.  The optics for all the stuff he's doing is failing except for his ultraloyal base.  JD Vance keeps embarrassing himself and fighting with MAGA people. The signs are there for this whole house of cards to collapse.  But with full control of the government, I think Trump has a thousand avenues to put his thumb on the scale, and I think he will use at least one of them.

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I have not, but I have 3 months free of Apple TV so maybe I'll add it to the list.

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Grizzlor wrote:

Made me watch this interview now.   blehhhhhhh.  Well I didn't think it was that bad, just dumb.  Conan as he always did took a number of her flat comments and improved some zingers.  Far from the "worst interview of all-time," that's for sure.  I mean, there's Vince McMahon vs. Bob Costas in the ethos, after all.  Kari was always pretty ditzy in public, that's for sure.  Anyway, I found the segment awkward but Conan produced several good laughs.  idk what she was trying for there, but bombed, oh well

This was sorta how I felt watching it myself.  She was super awkward but Conan was able to salvage it.  They usually do planning for these interviews so I don't know if Kari went off script or if she was just bad at it.

But she certainly came off as bad and unlikeable.  I think she's lucky to have had any sort of career at all.

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I was never the biggest fan, and I would always sorta drag my feet restarting it.  But I was always pleasantly surprised at how much fun it was and how much I liked the characters.  I don't think it was ever my favorite show, but I think I genuinely liked just about every episode.

Oooh, how are you liking For All Mankind?  It took me a few episodes to get into it, but I've really enjoyed it.

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Grizzlor wrote:

I enjoyed the final season, it was a bit dumb story wise, but honestly, how many times can you have the same villain to defeat.

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I thought it was a bit unrealistic that this group of kids was able to cross a wormhole into an alien world and defeat a huge monster and a wizard without anyone even getting hurt.  I think most of the people that went on that final mission were probably unnecessarily in danger, but I think they all earned their hero moment for story's sake.

Dumb, yes.  But I thought it worked.

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I finished Stranger Things.  I think I heard that people didn't like the finale, but I thought it was good.  And while I don't think this was ever my favorite show, I was always impressed and surprised at how much I liked it.

I look forward to whatever the Duffer Brothers do next.

Anyone else watch it?

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I know I sound like a broken record here, but I just can't get myself too worked up about this.  Trump won.  The people who voted for Trump are going to have higher costs for goods and healthcare and lower wages and less jobs and the same level of taxes, and they don't care.  The "America First" and "No New Wars" people don't seem to care.  The only person who seems to care is Marjorie Taylor Greene.  I know Trump's approval rating is low, but he has a rock-solid floor that will support him no matter what.  And as long as that floor consistently votes how Trump wants in primaries, no one is going to turn against him.

It's just very depressing.  We're not even a full year into this, and he's got so many more fights he wants to start.  He owns Congress, he owns the courts, he owns the police, he owns the military.  It's Trump's world, and we have to live in it.

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Oh I know that Putin doesn't care about how many Russians die, but there aren't an unlimited number of Russians to fight for him.  Maybe they only lost the worst of their fighters, but I have to think that losing 250,000 soldiers would risk whatever fight Putin has in mind next.  Whatever military hardware was lost would have to be replaced.  Training hundreds of thousands of new soldiers takes time.

So even if Putin gets total victory in Ukraine, isn't he weakened for whatever is next?

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Interesting article came out that was trying to spin Trump's physical deterioration as nothing.  But it ended up increasing speculation that the guy isn't doing well.  What I can't understand is that a stubborn man in his late 70s who refuses to take care of himself and is popping all kinds of pills, eats like a pig, and never works out is still walking around.  Even with being a) rich and b) president, Trump said himself that he doesn't listen to his doctors' medical advice.  So when his lead doctor is telling him he's the healthiest person he's ever met and he's eating like he's 17, does having the best medical team in the world help?

So is Trump's body surviving just to make me angry?

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So I think Putin won the war in Ukraine as soon as Trump won.  It's painfully obvious that Trump is doing whatever Putin wants, and Trump is so in love with Putin that it's crazy that the media won't call him out on it.  When Trump said that he'd win the war on day one, that's the promise that I figured he'd keep because Trump would do anything, including sending US ground troops to fight alongside Russia, to get Putin the win.

The fact that we're almost a year into Trump's presidency and Zelenskyy is alive is incredible to me.  He's the guy I felt the worst for when Trump won.

So I think it's just a matter of time until a) Trump forces Zelenskyy to take a deal and b) Putin breaks the deal and insists on more land.  Two of the three people in this are negotiating in bad faith, and Zelenskyy is trying to straddle the line between saving his people and saving his country.

One thing I sorta disagreed with in the article is that there haven't really been any consequences.  I think this war has highlighted the idea that Russia is a huge military superpower.  I know invading any country is difficult, but if Russia was as powerful militarily as people thought, this war should've been over years ago.  The only thing propping Putin up is nuclear weapons.  If nuclear weapons suddenly disappeared, I wonder where Russia would even rank in the world in terms of military strength.

I also wonder how much this has set Russia back.  I know that Russia has a collective spirit to fight for Russia, but their supply of soldiers isn't infinite.  250,000 soldiers can't be easily replaced, I wouldn't think.  All the military hardware they've lost will have to be replaced.  Maybe it's no big deal, but I just can't imagine it's not.

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So Trump is doing something really dumb at the moment, which is to say that "affordability is a con job."  Now he's already pivoting away from it, but telling people the economy is great when people know that it isn't is such a dumb strategy that would never work, no matter how charismatic you are.  The solution here seems to be simple and something Trump does with everything else - which is to blame Biden.  I think he could get 2-3 years of runway out of his base if he blames Biden.  He does this as well when he says "we inherited the worst economy of all time" or whatever nonsense he spews, but telling people that are struggling that they're not struggling is very dumb, even for Trump.

Especially when the people who elected him are going to struggle a ton.  The "I know how to get elected but have no idea how to govern" crowd continues to shoot themselves in the foot.

Another interesting thing I've been thinking about.

2024 - Republican
2020 - Democrat
2016 - Republican
2012 - 2012 - Democrat (Incumbent)
2008 - Democrat
2004 - Republican (Incumbent)
2000 - Republican
1996 - Democrat (Incumbent)
1992 - Democrat
1988 - Republican
1984 - Republican (Incumbent)
1980 - Republican

In other words, we flip flop in every election since 1988, which was the last time that the presidency stayed in the same party with a different candidate.  Not only that, we're getting more impatient.  We used to give the president the full 8 years, but we aren't doing that anymore.

If we have fair elections in 2028, not great for JD Vance.  And it might mean that incumbents don't have the same protections they used to have either.

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Grizzlor wrote:

On perhaps the most insane front, we are now bombing Venezuelan cocaine cartels and threatening to illegally depose the dictator there.  While Trump pardons a Honduran former president and convicted cocaine trafficker.  I feel as though this may be the biggest story to come.  What is this lunatic doing?  An invasion of Venezuela is not even popular with MAGA.

I do feel like Trump is losing it.  He called Walz the R word.  He said "affordability is a con job" when people are struggling to afford stuff.  I think he's shedding voters, and I think his mental decline is getting to him.  I also wonder if Trump's alternate reality is starting to get to him.  If he truly believes that the economy is incredible and prices are way down and that his approval rating is 90%+, then it probably would be maddening to get questions about things.

But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter.  The fact that we were right about Trump being old and crazy doesn't matter.  He's president and will be for three more years.  I don't have any faith that anyone would try to usher him out of office, and he could have an approval rating of 0% and it wouldn't matter.  I think it's a foregone conclusion that the Democrats would win the House if we have elections next year (and maybe the Senate based on how terrible elections are going for Republicans - look at the Tennessee election yesterday).  But who cares?  As Grizzlor said, Trump doesn't need Congress to do anything he's trying to do, and the Republican Congress isn't doing anything anyway.

The only thing that would change things is if Trump's monkey heart gives out, but even if it does, Vance being less crazy will maybe lead to slightly more sanity but it won't improve anything.  I'm just not willing to buy into any sort of good news until I believe there will be fair elections, not only in 2026 but in 2028.  I'll still vote, but I'll believe it when I see it.

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Yeah, Trump legitimized Mamdani, and I'm not sure what he got out of it.  Trump even basically allowed him to call him a fascist and a despot, and Mamdani didn't walk any of it back.  I'm curious how Fox News and the other Trump media handled that because they'd spent weeks demonizing him.  So I'm wondering if Trump went off script or if he'll walk back his praise of Mamdani, or if everyone will just forget about it all.

What's crazy is that Mamdani's meeting was about the most normal thing that's happened in 5+ years of Trump presidency.

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Trump getting along with Mamdani is so bizarre to me.  Did Mamdani charm him out of his element?  Is Trump up to something?  Is it all theater?

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I think the Epstein files are a hoax...not in the way that Trump says they're a hoax (i.e. not real) but in the sense that it affects nothing.  I don't think anything in the Epstein files, even if it's concrete evidence against Trump, will affect anything.  His voters do not care.  I keep hearing whispers that this would be the thing that takes Trump down, or it will lead to a bunch of Republicans abandoning him, or that it will lead to his impeachment.

There is nothing that will do any of that.  I think most people either already think that Trump is a rapist or don't care either way.  He's either a pedophile or he's a necessary evil.  That's the two camps.  I mean you already saw Megan Kelly come out and basically say that being a pedophile isn't even that big of a deal, and she has teenage daughters!  I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't see laws passed in Florida that lower the age of consent to below whatever Trump is accused of doing.  I think Republicans would be more likely to lower the national age of consent to 10 or 11 than do anything to Trump.

He's been in the public eye for decades and he's been under immense political scrutiny for a full decade.  If anything was going to take him down, it would've already happened.  Like I said, the only escape we have from Trump is how long modern medicine keeps him alive.

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I mean maybe you're right and he wouldn't care if Congress was 100% Democrats so why bother with messing with the midterms.  He got his tax breaks, and he gets to do whatever he wants so who cares about getting anything done?  He shut down Congress and it didn't affect him one bit.

I guess the elections he'd want to cancel are in 2028.  But I still think 2026 could be a dry run.  I just don't feel like there's any reason to be optimistic.  People are putting all their hopes in the Epstein stuff, but it could be released that Trump did the whole operation and that Epstein was a patsy and I don't think it would matter.  Trump said he could shoot someone in broad daylight and not lose any support and he was right.

So we just gotta wait until his monkey heart finally gets clogged with Big Macs for this nightmare to be over.

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I agree that it would be illegal, but I struggle with understanding who would stop him.  Congress has decided to be impotent.  The federal courts have been an okay firewall (they recently forced Trump to fund SNAP), but the Supreme Court has gone out of its way to give Trump whatever power he wants.  And even when they disagree with him (potentially, on tariffs), Trump has already laid out the groundwork to de-legitimize them or bully them into obedience.

Trump runs the FBI, and their leaders are loyalists
Trump runs the military, and their leaders are loyalists
Trump has de-legitimized the media, and the media leaders are Trump loyalists
The people can still protest (for now), but the Republicans are trying to de-legitimize those.  And even internally, I've heard younger people are getting tired of the protests because they don't accomplish anything.  Whether its Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter, or No Kings...there's great support and huge showings but what has changed?

But maybe you're right.  Maybe he wouldn't go so far as to simply cancel elections.  I don't know.  But I shouldn't have this little faith.

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My optimism is gone still.  I think it will be too easy for Trump to manufacture a situation where there are no midterms.  With the government shutdown and military in major cities, I think he's pushing buttons to try and create a situation where people push back enough for him to declare martial law.  I think the die has already been cast, and I think they're just waiting for the rationale to do it.  And I think if people don't take the bait, he'll just do it anyway.

Other than throwing lavish parties and ruining the White House, Trump has been doing two things:

1. Putting loyalist military into blue cities
2. Complaining about voter fraud

I think he'll use some combination of those two to "delay" the midterms, but like the shutdown, it will just be indefinite.  Or he'll hold bogus elections where Republicans win with 80-90% of the vote.

I hope I'm wrong, but there's a tariff on hope and I can't afford it.

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Oh sorry I guess I never gave an update.  I was able to get my dose of Moderna at a local pharmacy as well.  You have to meet one of the qualifications to get it, but a) my BMI is one of the qualifiers (because BMI is a sorta worthless metric) and b) they don't check so you can just say you do (not even which one) and get it.

So I got mine about a month ago.  My wife got hers a couple weeks later.  We didn't get ones for the kids because it's a bit more of a challenge, but they got their flu shots.  Hopefully it's good enough!

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I think Coogler could make anything work.

I think conspiracies are a whole lot less fun post-MAGA because they're completely mainstream instead of being funny and fringey.  But I think you could do a show and instead of aliens maybe you do something with Artificial Intelligence.  Maybe Mulder believes that some kind of AI has started taking over the world, and he has to get to the bottom of things.

Or do aliens.  Aliens are still in the culture and are relevant.

I think the DCU is going to be given a shot, even if Warner Bros is chopped up and sold for parts.  I think Superman was enough of a success to give Gunn another shot for the slate that he has coming up.  Nothing more than that is guaranteed, but that's true of any cinematic universe.  The MCU was able to keep going because they didn't really have any misses.  They had smaller movies, but the two biggest critical negatives from phases 1-3 were Incredible Hulk (which people don't even consider to be fully canon) and Thor: The Dark World (which was post-Avengers but still fairly early on).

So I think whether WB survives or not, Gunn will be given a chance because he's been successful so far.  Not billion dollars but still profitable and successful with fans and critics.  Now if Supergirl is a disaster or if Man of Tomorrow is a disaster, all bets are off.  But no matter who owns WB, I think Gunn will get an opportunity.

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At the same time, I'm not in a position to stop my government from doing anything they want, so that part does sort of ring true. I would say the end of Season 2 suffers from needing the Salvation prison to be left open as a plot point for SUPERGIRL, MAN OF TOMORROW, LANTERNS, etc.

I think if the answer is "Checkmate is in no position to take down Flag" then that should have been acknowledged.  In an episode that was already significantly longer than the normal episode, I think they could have spent two minutes with a scene between Peacemaker, Harcourt, and Adebayo that went over the unlikelihood of a direct assault on ARGUS.  Maybe something as simple as.

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Okay, what are we doing about this prison?

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Nothing?

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I don't know, something that at least acknowledges that they want to do something but just can't at this point.  Or, like I said before, don't let them find out about the prison.  Maybe Checkmate's first mission is to figure out what Flag is up to.

Either way, I think they're allowed to be excited that they're back together and happy and have a path, but the ending certainly implies that they don't care about the prison.  And they immediately pay for that if that's the case.

Yeah, I think that's fine.  I think LOST had a great character resolution but obviously not as concrete of a plot resolution, and I still think that's my favorite show of all time.  So I get that.

And I think the character resolution was really good.  I just wish the plot was either better wrapped up or the team was a little less aware of the villain plot.  As it stands, they basically ignored Flag's plan.

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I did binge through Peacemaker's season 2, which of course featured the parallel "Nazi" world with doppelgangers and such.  Fantastic work by all involved.  Of course, Gunn was noncommittal on the show's future, though I suspect characters will play a run in the Lanterns show.

I think the season was very good from a character perspective, but I thought the plotting was very odd.  The way that the finale is set up, it felt like the kind of episode where they go and steal back the multiversal device or prevent the prison from being a thing in some other way.  Instead, they...do nothing?  This isn't a situation where the bad guys have a plan, and the good guys don't know about it yet.

They know that Rick Flag is creating a metahuman prison, but they spend a bunch of time and energy creating a new spy organization.  Now maybe their plan is to create Checkmate and then go after Flag, but how many metahumans could they have imprisoned by then?  It seemed like they had a window to go after Flag, and they didn't really take advantage of it.

And I get it's a shared universe and that Gunn is writing basically everything at this point, but it leaves an unsatisfying feeling in the audience when the good guys don't even try to stop the bad guy.  I can understand why the plot wasn't "save Earth X" because I don't think our guys are nearly equipped to do that.  But our team, with Bordeaux and Harcourt and Judomaster and Fleury all as inside guys, against a handful of ARGUS agents?  That's something our team would be pretty good at.  And I would assume they could fairly easily win that if they had made any effort.

And, yeah, they'd basically be back at square one on the run with Flag chasing after them, but at least they would've made an effort.  And if they were going to immediately take down Flag, I don't think they really showed that (unless I missed it) they were even planning on going after the prison.  It played like "oh well, Flag is a bad guy.  Let's start an agency to do some good."

I do think a lot of the character beats were hit, and I thought the whole thing was well done.  And I get that Gunn will work through these plot threads.  But to leave the plot here is super weird.

I would have preferred if the season ended with the good guys knowing nothing of Flag's plan.  Maybe Judomaster/Fleury/Harcourt all abandon ARGUS before Salvation is even found, they create Checkmate, and then Flag reveals his plan to the audience (but none of Peacemaker's team).  Then Peacemaker is sent there.  Then, at least, the good guys don't look like they're simply ignoring the problem.

It also leaves the DCU in a weird place.  I don't really know if any of this will get followed up in Lanterns, but if it gets followed up in Man of Tomorrow...where does it leave that?  Is Man of Tomorrow going to take place in Salvation?  Is Superman going to go up against ARGUS and Lex?  Is Superman going to go rescue Peacemaker?  I love all the Peacemaker characters, but they play in completely different sandboxes.  I'd prefer if they were kept separate.

But I trust Gunn, and I'm still excited to see what he does with all this.

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Yeah, I wonder how many new stories there could be, but if they really haven't gotten together after all this time, maybe some fun stuff came up.  Looking forward to it!

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They all look pretty great!

Any word on anything they discussed?

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I think it will be a lot of fun to hear stories, maybe some stories we haven't heard before.  I assume they'll make some sort of vague reference to some kind of reboot / sequel shows.  Personally, I'm not going to put any stock into anything they say about that because I think Sliders was a hard sell 20 years ago, and I think it's going to be a harder sell today.  I maintain that there's no way they're going to do a show with JRD being 81 and Cleavant being 72.

The best bet has and will continue to be a show with Jerry as the mentor character to a younger cast.  You might be able to get the others for guest roles or cameos, but the Sliders cast is *way* older than the Golden Girls cast was.  So this would feel like that but much worse.

And honestly, the JOC thing isn't even the best bet.  The best bet is a bigger named actor pushing for the series to be made with a complete new cast, a la Quantum Leap.  I know there were some bigger named actors that liked the show back in the day (Kelsey Grammer?) that could maybe make it happen with a new, younger cast.  But I assume if that was going to happen, it would've happened already.

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Ooooh that will be cool.

Have they really not reunited at any sort of convention?

I think, besides the colors being totally different, the tone of the character is so much different in Gunn's film.  Snyder's Superman doesn't seem to care at all about humanity, and I can't imagine he cares at all about any other Earth animals.  Snyder's Superman is sad that his father dies, but he still allows it to happen.  At the end of the day, he agreed that his father should die to protect his secret.  I think Gunn's Superman would've found a way to save his dad, even if it meant sacrificing his identity.

I'm also pretty sure that a comic-accurate Superman could've saved Jonathan without anyone even noticing he left.  Clark in Smallville was able to save someone during a football game without anyone noticing he'd moved.

I think Gunn's Clark will always do the right thing.  I think Snyder's Clark will do the right thing as long as it doesn't make his life any harder.  I think Gunn's Clark is there to protect humanity with no interest in allowing any collateral damage if he can help it.  I think Snyder's Clark is there to protect some humans and willing to accept as much collateral damage as it takes to get the job done.

There is a very dark moment in Gunn's Superman, but other than that, it's a very hopeful and bright and character-forward movie.  I could easily see Gunn making a pessimistic/hopeless Superman movie like Snyder did, but I think he did a good job of making Clark more comic accurate.

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I don't think Season 4 is going to be a wrap-up; that's going to be the six episodes of Season 5.

Ah, I was unaware that there was going to be a shortened season 5.  Good to know!

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I don't know. Gunn's SUICIDE SQUAD and PEACEMAKER had a certain dark cynicism that I associate with Snyder... but with a twisted comedy that I associate with Gunn.

Yeah but would you say any of that was in Superman?

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Gunn has been VERY good at a certain style in the genre, the tongue in cheek, shoot em up, comic book blockbusters.  GOTG, Suicide Squad/Peacemaker, and let's not forget my favorite, Super with Rainn Wilson.  Superman is normally more of an "epic" style of comic book blockbuster.  I've yet to see this one, but everything said and leaked sounded like the Snyder/Goyer film.

Oh I strongly disagree with the last piece.  I can't think of a similarity between Gunn's film and Snyder's.  Snyder's film had literally no appreciation for the comics, for Clark's personality, for what makes Clark special.  I think, if anything, Gunn's story has too much appreciation for comics - I think it was a bit of a barrier of entry to enjoying the film (there's so much going on).  Man of Steel showed Clark with literally no regard for the safety of anyone, and Gunn's Clark goes out of his way to save not just people but animals.

Hopefully you get a chance to see it (I think it hits HBO this week) because whoever told you that could not be more wrong in my opinion.

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I think the idea of a recurring villain is interesting, but I'm not sure it's necessary.  I probably would've rather had Logan be the "recurring sliding villain" since she's a flip side on our main character.  I think there's also an argument to be made that maybe you replace the "which Arturo slid?" story with a Quinn double that can't complete sliding on his own and steals Quinn's place.  Then you have a villain inside the group, and the person "chasing" them is our original Quinn.

This might be too mystical, but I'm thinking based on what ireactions and DMD said about a villain that can somehow "slide" their consciousness from place to place into a new double.  Maybe they interact with a villainous Bennish on a world, and they leave him behind.  But then in future episodes, they keep running into doubles of Bennish on each new world.  And like ireactions said, each time they run into him, he seems more of a threat.  And it turns out it was the villainous Bennish each time.  Maybe each time he enters a double, he gets more control, and by the end of the arc/season, he can finally do whatever he wants.  Or maybe he has full control each time but is playing the long game.

Sorta like Sliders meets Quantum Leap.

Well that's horrible.  I think Gunn seems like a really good guy and a very strong creative mind and a great writer.  He seems to have a good heart and a wicked sense of humor.  I hope he's been able to get passed his demons and that writing is helping him keep them away.

I don't think we've ever had that here.

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So I think this is an instance where more episodes would have been useful.  The big bad for the season was introduced midway through the season and then wrapped up in a single hour.  In a pre-streaming Trek season, the finale would've at least been a two parter, and I think you could argue that it could have been longer.  Even commercials vs non commercials, a two-part finale would have been 82 minutes-ish vs 60 minutes-ish.  And I think we probably needed those additional twenty minutes.  Some of the episode felt very rushed.

I think you could argue that maybe you get rid of the documentary episode or the "everyone is turned into a Vulcan" episode and give more time to this.  You could've probably done an entire episode of the future scenes if you wanted and give additional weight to Pike's life with Batel.  I know the crew probably had fun doing the Vulcan episode so they'd probably vote to get rid of something different, but I wish they'd used their time a little more wisely.  And, honestly, I thought they got the opportunity to ham it up on the proto-Holodeck episode (and that episode also covered "why Star Trek is important" which was sorta covered by the documentary episode).

And when there's going to be a muppet episode next year when they're going to be trying to wrap this whole series up, I have concerns.

But again I really liked what they aired.  It had a lot of heart.  Like Pike, I wish there was just more time.

I really liked the SNW finale.  Although, and this is a hugely nitpicky thought, but I didn't like the inclusion of a modern song.  Has Trek ever done that?

I heard the other day that Gunn used to have some sort of substance abuse problem, and he's replaced that in his life with writing.  Good for him.  I think he's a great writer, and I'm impressed with how much he's been able to do and how fast he's been able to do it.

At the same time, I don't think the DCU can succeed with Gunn throwing it on his back.

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There's a very numbers-based and nerdy aspect to sports.  Some people think the stats-focused side of sports has ruined the fun, but I could see someone like Quinn being excited about stuff like that.  The real sabermetrics stuff didn't come out until after Sliders, but it's possible that Quinn was just ahead of the curve.

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James Talarico is running for US Senate in Texas.  If you don't know him, do yourself a favor and look him up.  He's the son of a Baptist minister, he's gone to seminary, and he's a Democratic state rep in Texas.  Every time I've seen him, he's impressed me.  I don't know if he has a chance to win, but he's been on Joe Rogan and he's been on different talk shows and I think he has the potential to be presidential.

Of course I thought the same thing about Beto O'Rourke, but I think Talarico is different.  He's an evangelical himself, and he wears his Christianity on his sleeve.  I think he can talk to Christian nationalists in a way that other Democrats can't.

I'm just using Supergirl as an example.

If James Gunn greenlighted preproduction on a Brave and the Bold movie where Damien Wayne is hospitalized at the end of the film and a Justice League movie where Bruce starts the movie by Damien's bedside, how would it work if the script for Brave and the Bold isn't ready but the script for Justice League is?  Would they wait to film Justice League until the Brave and the Bold's script is ready?  Would they remove the scene where Bruce is with Damien and set it earlier?

I'm trying to figure out how "we won't film until a script is ready" plays in a format where Story A has to exist before Story B can be told.  If story A never gets finished, how can there be a Story B?

Wouldn't that cause the same issues, though?  If Supergirl starts preproduction but isn't ready to be filmed, it still puts the next project to feature Supergirl in some kind of limbo.

Imagine if Endgame needed additional work on the script but Spider-Man: Far From Home was ready to shoot.  Do you wait to start filming Spider-Man until Endgame is filmed?  Go ahead and film but wait to release?  I guess the other option is to remove all the references from Tony from Far From Home, but I don't think that's even possible.

I assume James Gunn would say that they'd prioritize fixing the Endgame script and there wouldn't be a significant delay, but I don't know if you can do that for everything.

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ENTERPRISE, despite rendering Vulcans as being a lot like Sarek or T'Pau or T'Pring, is often criticized for its (admittedly underwritten) Vulcans in Seasons 1 - 3 and lauded for offering an 'explanation' in Season 4 for why the Vulcans weren't more like Spock, which has also muddied the waters a lot.

Enterprise Season 4 is (I think) the only live action Trek I haven't seen.  Help me understand what the explanation was.

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EDIT: and for the record, I though Four and a Half Vulcans was the series worst episode to date.

I've seen a lot of this sentiment.  I think the episode was entertaining, but I think there were a lot of issues with it.  I think the issue mainly goes to the idea that the writers and/or the cast had a fun idea, but they didn't really think through some of the issues.  And in an attempt to get an idea they liked on screen, they (pun intended) made the episode illogical.

The whole premise was a little flawed.  So they needed Vulcans to do the repair work, but Spock is the only Vulcan on board the Enterprise?  I know there aren't a ton of Vulcans in Starfleet compared to humans, but no one besides Spock?

Second, they made a joke of the repairs taking hours and then only taking seconds.  But if the repairs only took seconds, couldn't Spock have done it by himself?  Did it really take five people?

Third, they made some sort of implication that Spock's DNA allowed the converted Vulcans to show Spock-like emotion and logic, but that's done with training, not DNA.

Then there's silly cartoon stuff like Pike's hair changing.

So the question has to be asked - do writers of modern Trek know what Vulcans are supposed to be like, or do they know archetypes?  Are these Trek writers or just Sci-Fi writers?  I don't really know, but are there signs that these writers revere Trek?  Are there easter eggs and references that only true Trek fans would know?

Yeah I think Gunn is giving himself preferential treatment, but I think he's earned the trust to be able to do that.

What I don't understand is how this whole "we have to have a script we believe in before we proceed" works in an expanded universe.  Let me paint a picture:

So let's say that Superman comes out and Supergirl's script isn't ready.  So they don't make the Supergirl movie because the script isn't ready.  Well...what happens the next time Supergirl shows up.  Is she the drunk party girl that she is in Superman, or do they jump to her post-Woman of Tomorrow persona where she's grown up and evolved a little bit?  Maybe it works for Gunn because he's writing the next script, but what if it's a different writer?  How does that writer know how to write Kara?

Events in these movies can cause ripples in other movies.  Or, I guess, they *should* cause ripples.  Growth in one movie can affect actions in a different movie.  Whatever happens in Lanterns should impact the next time we see Hal or John or Guy.  So how do you get a finished script for the second movie if the first script never gets approved?  And if you're constantly waiting for the next script to get approved, how do you even plan another script?

I think that's sorta what is happening with the DCU right now.  Other than Supergirl, the only feature scripts that have been approved are by James Gunn (and like you said, that script is an exception because it isn't finished) or are mostly unrelated to the greater DCU (Clayface).  How do you write a Batman appearance if you don't know if Brave and the Bold is approved?  How do you write in Wonder Woman if that Wonder Woman TV show is in limbo?

Barreling ahead like Marvel does means that sometimes the movies are weak, but at least the story is cohesive.    Gunn's way might mean better movies but it also might mean a story that isn't cohesive.  What is better?

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Yeah, I agree.  I also think Vance would respect the job and the history of the presidency.  I think he's been bought and sold, but Vance used to be a reasonable person.  I think Trump has always been someone with fascist tendencies because he was raised in a world where he was in charge and what he wanted just happened.  He wants to run the country like he ran his company, and that's just not how it works.  I think Vance might enjoy the power of being a dictator, but he's only been MAGA for a short time.  And I think if he actually had the big job, he'd understand the historical significance of the job in a way that Trump just has no interest in or understanding of.

That's not to say he wouldn't be a bad president or even a worse president.  But I think Vance would allow there to be elections in 2026 in a way that Trump might not allow.  And I think Vance would be softer on the media (which might allow more scrutiny on the office as journalists feel emboldened to actually do their job and ask tough questions).  And while I assume some of the Cult of Trump would pass to Vance, I think a lot of it is directly tied to Trump himself and those people might abandon Vance.

That being said, Vance is infinitely more capable and intelligent than Trump so if he wanted to ruin the country in 3-3.5 years, I think he'd be able to do that.  I'm optimistic that he'd be more of a standard Republican president than a Trumpish president, but I don't know.  I don't have a ton of optimism left in general.

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In the last month or so, Trump has swollen ankles and hasn't been able to walk in a straight line, and now has bruises on his hands that are very poorly covered up with makeup.  Then he disappeared for a week and showed up with awkwardly photoshopped pictures.  People online are claiming he had a stroke or multiple strokes

Is Trump dying?  I'm not sure, but the guy looks terrible.  I don't think him dying really does anyone that much good.  I think even if he died after election day, the damage was already done.  I think there's less of a chance of a President Vance doing outlandishly crazy stuff, but a President Vance could also do a lot more damage because he's the puppet of people who want to do a lot of damage.

I think Trump dying might make it easier for there to be elections in 2026, and it might bring back some modicum of sanity because the entire government apparatus won't have to revolve around one guy's ego.

But I find it hard to get excited about anything because the damage is done.

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I'm doing my physical in a couple weeks.  I'll ask my doctor.  I know her office doesn't carry the Covid shot (I asked) so I'd have to get referred to someplace that does have it.  I have a couple of nurse friends, and they've said they're seeing a lot of cases so I'd like the additional protection.

I don't know if a trip to Canada for a vaccine is an option.  If I can just pay for it out of pocket somewhere, I'd just do that I guess.

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Worm Brain changed the restrictions on the Covid shot so that I'm now ineligible to get it.

I thought Republicans were the party of freedom and the government staying out of peoples' business?

One of my friends talked about giving up on Strange New Worlds because he thought the show was too hard on Spock.

I do feel like Spock gets the short end of a lot of things.  He's constantly being teased or transformed or heartbroken or whatever.  I think we sometimes ignore the emotional damage that things would cause when they happen to Spock because he always bounces back.  But, man, if he was a human, this show could be downright depressing for Spock.

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I know it will never ever ever happen, but I would really love either a full season with Kirk in charge or a second spin-off with Kirk in charge or a Paramount Plus movie with Kirk in charge.  I think we've never really seen in Trek an established ship adjust to a new captain.  Not like Voyager where the whole crew is new to each other, but a crew that already works together well adjusting to a new voice.  And I think Paul Wesley is really really good in the role, and I'd love to see more of him.  He adds something to every episode he's in, and I think that's why they loop him in whenever possible.

I don't want to lose Pike, but seeing Kirk take command and having him earn over the crew would be really interesting television, I think.

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How is STAR TREK supposed to present the 1960s balsa wood starship sets as a representation of the future to a 2025 viewing audience? Would we consider it canon that technology somehow regressed?

I think it's simple - you just blame it on style.  For whatever reason, in the 2260s, there was a simplistic and retro technological era.  Thin tablets were no longer in fashion, and big bulky ones were popular.  Writing utensils / styli were in.  1960s era fashion was in.  What's the reason?  It doesn't matter because no one on the show ever talks about it.  Just like we have no explanation for what's popular now or why.

I'd treat it like Alien: Earth treated their scene on a vessel similar to the one seen in Alien in 1979.  For whatever reason, everyone looks and acts like it's the 1970s.  For whatever reason, the command room of the ship has tons of unexplained lights.  If its like that on a deep sea mining ship but not Earth, blame it on better technology on Earth and worse technology on mining ships.  I think there's headcanon to make it work.

Alternate Star Trek reason - Earth was decimated in the nuclear wars and the technology was effectively wiped out.  So no cell phones, no tablets, no whatever.  And when the Vulcans came and Earth had recovered, humans suddenly had a warp drive but were back to using paper and pens.  As humanity moved to a post-scarcity society, technological advancement went where it was needed (cleaning the earth from radiation, providing food and water and medicine where it was needed) and not on fancy gadgets.  Even as humanity started the Federation and Starfleet, invention focused on better starships and shields and weapons.  Only after humanity had a pretty good standing in the galaxy did they even bother with creating PADDs and stuff like that.

That, of course, ignores Enterprise entirely.

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That said, this is part and parcel of a shared universe. There's a wide variety of tones.

No I get that and I assume that young children who loved Superman aren't going to be forced to watch an NC-17 rated TV show on a premium network to enjoy the next movie.  But I do think it might be funny for someone who only knows James Gunn for the Guardians movies, jumped over to Superman and enjoyed the wholesomeness there, and then to immediately jump into Peacemaker Season 2 and see a dramatic shift in tone.

And technically Gunn has written the entirety of the DCU.  Creature Commandos, Superman, and Peacemaker Season 2.  He's also writing the Superman sequel.  I assume he's a guy who either works really fast or really loves working.  I do worry he's either going to have to do the whole thing himself or the whole thing will lose momentum.  Supergirl will be the first thing released he didn't write, and I don't know how Clayface really fits in with the overall narrative.  After that, it's a lot of question marks.

I agree with having a final script before proceeding and I think he's learned a lot from working in the MCU.  But they gotta make stuff that he doesn't make himself, I think.

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I watched PEACEMAKER's first season on the weekend and I thought it was earnest and vile, and, in many ways, probably a version of the Snyderverse suited to an audience beyond Snyder fans because the cynicism is comedic rather than bleak. I watched the Season 2 premiere and was impressed by how the continuity with the DCEU and DCU is quickly reconciled.

It is wild and incredible to me that James Gunn (sorta) cut the legs out from Superman's theatrical run to release the film on digital so that more people could see it before the release of Peacemaker because Peacemaker is a vital piece of the DCU...

...and for the Peacemaker premiere to have an orgy with full frontal male nudity.  The same universe that has Superman refusing to curse has a scene like that?  It's bizarre but also pretty funny.

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Hahaha I can't help it.  I really can't.  The past and the present and the future have to matter or none of it matters.  Headcanon to make it all work is half the fun smile

So one thing I really liked about the Orville and I think has been affected some with New Trek...is the idea that these are real-life people on these starships.  They get drunk sometimes.  They show up to work late sometimes.  They worry about things and mess up and they joke around.

I think Gene's vision of humanity is sometimes too much.  I think it's a wonderful aspiration, but the humans in the show don't always feel human.  I don't know if Roddenberry would love where Trek is now, but it just feels like these guys are more rounded now.  Not as flawed as they were on the Orville, but not as Vulcan either.

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Well, I think it might be more complicated than explaining it.  The rest of the episode doesn't feature Star Trek - like ships with futuristic tech.  It's just more modern-looking technology.  But since the rest of the show takes place on Earth, it's possible that technology is better there and people have more access.

But honestly I think the in-universe explanation is that the Weyland-Yutani ships shown in Alien and Alien: Earth are blue collar scavenger ships.  It would be like aliens finding a fishing boat made in the 90s and assuming that's how technologically advanced we are. 

To me, I just liked that they went out of their way to completely re-create the aesthetic of Alien for this.  I don't think the rest of the episode abandons the aesthetic at all, but it secures the 70s aesthetic, at least for this portion of the universe, as how things look.  They could've easily reimagined how people look or act or how the ship looks and operates.  But they didn't.

Again, I assume the juice isn't worth the squeeze if the whole show took place on a ship (it doesn't).  But for that section of the show, I liked the respect for continuity.

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Okay so I finished Dexter: Original Sin.  I really liked it.  The show absolutely takes liberties with continuity with characters' ages being off, people joining the police force earlier than they were supposed to, things happening differently than they were originally explained, etc.

But I think there are two reasons I'm okay with that:

1. Dexter is our narrator - modern Dexter - and, while there has never been any evidence that he's an unreliable narrator, he's still a psychopathic serial killer.  So if an unreliable narrator explains things two different ways, that's not a huge deal to me (think the Joker in the Dark Knight).  There's also the fact that Dexter is, canonically, retelling his origin story to the "audience" as his life passes before his eyes as he believes he's dying (at the end of New Blood).  So even if Dexter is a reliable narrator, maybe his brain isn't functioning properly

2. The show is just a lot of fun.  I tried to explain to my wife that the show isn't scary at all.  The concept of Dexter is dark, but I don't even know how violent Dexter is.  Some of the people he kills are violent, but Dexter usually stabs his victims one time in the chest with a big knife.  There's blood, but it's usually captured by the plastic wrap that Dexter uses to contain his crime scenes.  He chops up the bodies, but either I'm completely desensitized by it, or it's shot in a way that isn't gory.  I don't like torture porn, and I'm skittish at stuff like Saw so I don't think it's the former.

But Dexter is a charming guy, the side characters are all interesting, and Dexter never tries to convince the audience that he's not a monster.  He's just a monster who is doing good in the world.  I think you can root for Dexter to keep doing what he's doing since he's getting rid of worse people, but I don't think Dexter even wants you to like him as an audience member.

I'm going to try and show my wife the original series.  I'll let you know if she likes it.

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So has Gavin Newsom unlocked the formula to winning America back from MAGA?

I'm still not watching news, but because I'm still alive in the year 2025, I still catch glimpses of things that are happening.  And I've seen Gavin Newsom trolling Trump, both on gerrymandering and also everything else.  Honestly, I don't know if it is actually working, but it's at least getting him attention.  Which is more than I can say for basically any other Democrat at any other level (although I'm starting to get excited about James Talarico here in Texas).

Can out-Trumping Trump work?  Can out-Trumping Vance at least work?  I talked a lot back in November about Democrats needing to win back stupid people.  Well stupid people love stuff like this.  If Newsom can be more like Trump but be younger and full of energy, I think Democrats can win back some stupid people.  And the good news is that stupid people are happy to vote for stuff they don't understand and/or is against their own interests.  So if we can get a cult of personality around a guy like Newsom then it should be fairly easy to get liberal policies to be more popular.

Remember that Trump got his base to overwhelmingly support tariffs that will hurt them because they're not smart enough to understand how they work.  There's no reason to think that Trump is the only person who can do this.  To win back the republic, it might just mean a little disinformation of their own.  Maybe "Medicare for All" gets rebranded as "cutting deductibles."  Maybe you can rebrand raising the minimum wage as a "parental support initiative"

Or just lie and say that Medicare for All is free ice cream every summer.  At this point, I think taking advantage of the illiterate masses is the only play left in the playbook.

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I finally saw Fantastic Four.  I thought it was a lot of fun.  I think the whole cast did a great job.  I only read a handful of Fantastic Four comics so I can't speak too intelligently about how they nailed their characters, but they all felt like individuals.  Let me do a couple spoilery thoughts:

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- I liked that the characters felt evolved.  I like that Ben seemed like he had come to peace with what had happened to him.  He's not yearning to go back to the way things were, at least outwardly.  I liked the Chiklis version, but this one felt like a matured version of that.  I like that Johnny got his own little side quest where he can show that he's also really smart.  I liked everything about Sue.  I liked that Reed was very smart but also cautious and anxious.  I think a scene with him and Tony Stark would be interesting because they're both smart leaders, but they approach things very differently.  I think he'll make a good Avenger.

- I liked that the movie was its own thing.  I think previous versions were supposed to include Kang in some way, and as far as I know, there are no references to any future crossover in this.  I was sorta blown away that the movie didn't end with them crossing over into the main marvel universe.  I wonder if that will even be a permanent thing, now.  Like will Fantastic Four: Second Steps (fake title) be in this universe or will they be crossed over?  Or will the multiverse be gone by that point and there will just be one universe?

- I understand all the reasons.  Covid.  Jonathan Majors.  Shakeups at Marvel.  But we've had 29 movies and TV shows in Phases 4 and 5, and the main villain for the next two Avengers movies has barely appeared.  Now I know that Thanos barely appeared before Infinity War, but we at least understood who he was and what he wanted to do.  Doomsday is going to have to do a ton of work in the first 30 minutes to get us up to speed.  Maybe it'll be great - the Russo Brothers know how to make that work.  But it just makes me nervous that we've had so much runway and haven't done a ton with it.

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I wasn't sure which post to put this in so I'll just put it here because it covers multiple topics.

I watched the premiere of Alien Earth.  Really engaging show, which isn't a surprise since it's coming from Noah Hawley.  But the most striking part, to me, was the first 5 minutes of the premiere.  If you had told me that Ridley Scott filmed that whole section in 1979 as some dropped subplot from Alien, I might've believed you.  It was so well done and captured the spirit and look of the original that it was incredible.

This is what Star Trek should have done...

Now I get it.  The whole Alien Earth show isn't done like the first five minutes.  But the show isn't shying away from saying "look, I know it looks weird by today's standards, but that's what it looked like in canon."  There are weird lights that seem to be blinking on and off for no reason in the background.  Everyone looks like they're actors in the 1970s.  People are smoking as soon as they wake up.  The show says - there are weird blinking lights for some reason.  There's a 1970s-looking style evolution for these guys.  They're blue collar so they smoke.  It isn't what we (modern people) think the future will look like anymore, but it's what the future looks like in this.

And I get it.  If you made Strange New Worlds look like TOS with it's silly-looking technology for 80 episodes, people might not watch.  If you don't think about it, it's much more fun to watch the high-tech glossy ships they have on SNW.  But that's also why I just wouldn't do prequels.  Time travel episodes back to that era (like Trials and Tribble-ations) can be fun opportunities to play with it, but that's all I'd do.

And to be clear, I don't think Alien consistent with that either.  The ships and tech in Prometheus look more advanced than Alien.

I just like consistency, even when it's illogical smile

Thank you all for your Spock answers.  Clearly I need to go back and watch more TOS smile

Yeah, I think BvS tainted the DCEU.  I've seen every movie, but it always felt like a universe that didn't need to exist.

The Black Adam vs Superman storyline would've been interesting, but I don't see how it would've worked.  They made it seem like they'd build up to a confrontation between the two of them, but what does that even look like?  Black Adam makes it seem like their "versus" movie would've been next.  I suppose they could've stretched it out, but "stretching it out" would've just been solo Superman and Black Adam movies, but it would've just gotten them to the same point they were in that cave.

Now could you have had something like this?

2023 - Black Adam v Superman: Dawn of Society
2024 - Justice Society
2025 - Man of Steel II
2026 - Black Adam II
2027 - Black Adam v Superman: the Rematch

Maybe there's a throughline where Superman and Black Adam can lick their wounds in their own movies, and maybe they could have a rematch that would be huge?  I don't know.  It just seems like it'd be the same thing as BvS but it'd be Black Adam instead of Superman.  And it would just be Superman being the heavyweight champion who constantly has to keep fighting random people smile

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By the way, I'm still really liking Dexter: Resurrection.  It's inspired me to watch Dexter: Original Sin (which I also really like), and I'm considering a rewatch of the original series.