Star Trek in Film and TV (and The Orville, too!) (Page 2 of 12)

I understand that the third film. Star Trek Beyond will the last of the JJ Abrams rebooted films.
It was a decent film, quite good actually so now we look forward to the new TV series coming in 2017...

I saw an article that was showing subtle hints and homage that we saw in Abrams films. For instance it tells how since Chekov is not  in the original "space seed" episode he has no actual physical contact with Khan in "Into Darkness" however, Chekov is the only crew member who has actual physical contact with Khan in "Wrath"

Something I picked up on (did anyone else notice this?) when the Enterprise goes to Yorktown, we see Sulu with his gay partner and their child...George Takei is gay in real life and I think they were paying homage to George by making Sula gay. Interesting.

I thought it was stupid of Quinto to come back with "Well I'm gay too!" I'm no fan of Takei, but he played the character for many, many years. He's allowed to have an opinion on the character without it turning into a commentary on society as a whole.

I hate that I just took George Takei's side in anything.

I thought all the stuff he mentioned sounds cool.  I think Fuller gets it, and I think he'll make a great show.  I'm excited about it.

No idea about the event he's talking about.

Apparently Fuller stepped down.  I'm immediately much less excited about the show....

http://www.superherohype.com/news/38475 … showrunner

He's staying on as EP so I'm hoping he'll still be involved enough to make sure it's good.  Or maybe it's some sort of negotiation tactic.

I want this to be good really badly.

Ironically Roddenberry hated the storylines that involved space battles but these were always fan favorites. and also many of the scripts penned by Gene were just not that good. 

He did give us a positive outlook for the future (for the most part) but the show did buy into the "naked ape" hypothesis that humanity is inherently savage. this theme was brought up more times than I care to remember.  His insistence on having  multi racial and ethnic crew members was well ahead of the times.

I like the dark world presented by DS9 in contrast to the sterile world we were usually treated to. It was not unlike  Babylon 5 world which also painted a darker picture of our future aboard a claustrophobic space station.

I recently read an article on franchises that should be retired and Star Trek came up.
Basically the author felt that the Trek films have become very formulaic (especially the JJ Abrams films) and perhaps it is best to forget the feature length films and return Trek to the small screen

It seems to be more at home there...

Honestly Kerr I wouldn't complain if they retired ALL franchises!  Let's get back to how they made and distributed movies 30-40 years ago! 

Abrams lack of Trekness was not an issue.  He didn't write the script, that was supposed fans Orci and Kurtzman, who've yet to turn in a film script that wasn't dog poop.  JJ had a vision for Trek in theaters in the 21st century that would appeal to the masses.  He was successful in that respect.  The franchise has been crap though due to bad writing, or a lack of writing in favor of bad jokes, CGI, and CGI. 

At this point, I wonder if the new series even gets off the ground?

That is a shame, but it makes sense. He is pretty busy, and I get the impression that CBS might not be the easiest company to work with.

Oh, come on. Bryan Fuller doesn't work on lots of TV shows that we all enjoy watching.

To be fair, he could've created the spark and handed it to someone great.  We don't know.  I was looking forward to a Fuller-led series, but whoever is running it could do a great job.

I also heard that it's going to also be shown on Netflix so now I don't have to steal it

There's plenty of talent on DISCOVERY. Alex Kurtzman did amazing work on TRANSFORMERS PRIME. Nicholas Meyer is the writer (yes) and director of THE WRATH OF KHAN and THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY, the two most influential TREK films ever made. Aaron Harberts and Gretchen Berg wrote spectacular scripts for WONDERFALLS, PUSHING DAISIES, ROSWELL and REVENGE. Even without Bryan Fuller, the list of writers on DISCOVERY reads like a dream team of talent to me.

Well, that would make sense.  I heard about it on the Weekly Planet, which is an Australian-based podcast.

Problem is the series is supposed to be show week by week, so the 30 day trial wouldn't help unless you waited for the completion.  They've casted 3 leads, namely veteran actors Doug Jones, Anthony Rapp, and Michelle Yeoh.  Very strange that the Captain of the vessel doesn't seem to be a lead.

Wiki has her as the captain of a different ship, and only recurring.

They cast Soniqua Martin-Green from The Walking Dead.  She's terrific on that show at least.

It probably depends on the filming schedule. The Walking Dead usually films between May and November. Star Trek Discovery is set to premiere in May, but who knows when it will actually happen? Either way, she should have some of Star Trek filmed before The Walking Dead resumed production. And since that is an ensemble show, she may be able to work out a schedule for filming that would allow her to do both. It sounds impossible, but I've seen actors do it before.  Daniel Gillies was a lead on the Canadian series, Saving Hope while also a lead on the CW series, The Originals.

It's not impossible. It could take come cooperation between productions though. It is likely that Sasha will at least have a somewhat reduced role, if she survives.

I mean, it's definitely possible.  She doesn't have a huge role (like DMD, I had to check to make sure she was alive and she's in the final shot of the midseason finale), and she could definitely be rolled back.  If it were any other show, I'd guess that.

But it's Walking Dead, and people die all the time.  It's probably easier for everyone involved if they just kill her off.

Ha, I mean I don't even like the show that much.  I'm just thinking that if she got another job, she's probably going to die on the show.  I honestly wouldn't care either way

http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-first-traile … 1795312040

Trailer ahoy!

I also don't know why they keep insisting on going to the Kirk era (it's still during his lifetime).  It's been covered....let's do something new.

I still sorta liked the idea that someone had back in the day about an Alpha Quadrant that's been devastated by an Omega Particle.  So simple space travel isn't simple anymore.  Set it in 2600 so that technology could be improved and no one from the TNG/DS9/VOY era would be alive.

It's also weird that they changed the uniforms again.  Although I guess the TNG/DS9/VOY era showed that they change uniforms like they change underwear at Starfleet.

I'll watch, but as a friend said on Facebook, it's a hot mess.  These producers simply do not understand the predilections of Star Trek fans.  Greatly altering the look of Klingons is a BIG DEAL.

That's a great point.  If this is successful in bringing a new Star Trek era to TV, then this might become *the* look for the Klingons for a whole new generation.

They look weird, but let's at least give them the Pilot before we judge too harshly.  And remember, the Pilot will be on regular TV for free

Well, Star Trek has always liked to dance in social commentary and politics; in my opinion, it's what differentiates it from generic space opera.  With that in mind, I wonder if this new Klingon design has a purpose we're not seeing yet.

Looking at contemporary social issues, could the new Klingons be a Star Trek attempt at commenting on Black Lives Matter?  Is the Federation profiling Klingons just because they appear to be Klingons?  What if they were innocent and a misunderstanding leads to war?

I always understood the Cold War allegory with the Klingons, but the visceral hatred that was sometimes shown between humans and Klingons was a step above the flavor of the Cold War.  Discovery could be where they take a stab at explaining that hatred.

In any case, if the new show wants the Star Trek feel, they'll have some level of social awareness.  It may not be in this Klingon change, but it needs to be somewhere.  There's many different ways they could touch on illegal immigration, for instance.  Brexit could be explored as a culture tries to leave the Federation.  There are several avenues.

If they do choose to go with social commentary, I hope they're smart about it. We have a lot of shows preaching at us right now. If Star Trek starts hitting me over the head with Black Lives Matter, I'm turning it off. However, if they want to have a nuanced exploration of racial tension and all that, it could be interesting.

TOS and TNG got very preachy sometimes.  Kirk and Picard were both known for making speeches

Let's not forget that most of the older Trek shows were comprised of theatrically trained actors.  I've never heard of most of these actors, and there's no evidence yet that Jason Isaacs or Anthony Rapp will play as large a role as many of the newcomers.  To me this looks like a very "Enterprise" cast.

I was reading Wil Wheaton's autobiography, JUST A GEEK, where he described the terrible shame of running into Jonathan Frakes and Brent Spiner and Patrick Stewart and their assorted successes while he'd had one disastrous audition after another, and how he was embarrassed to park anywhere near them because they all had luxury cars while he had a Volkswagen and how he came to realize that despite his youthful bravado, quitting STAR TREK had been a complete and total financial disaster and career suicide and I felt this tremendous sense of relief and comfort to know that even someone as cool as Wil Wheaton has often felt pathetic.