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Sounds a lot more positive than I expected.  That’s exciting!

Also glad to see Tracy is looking so well.  After hearing about his previous health issues, I was really worried for him; but he’s looking great!

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Jim_Hall wrote:

The Sliders discussion begins around 1:04:03 https://youtu.be/Qq_iXGXZGdc

Actually they talk Sliders a bit around 42 mins in for like 7 mins.  The host Cardinal Sin was ROUGH.  Interrupting Tracy mid-thought over and over.  Tracy lamented that he gave up on various projects too quickly when rejected, and moved on, and felt he should have fought harder to get some of them off the ground. 

The main host is clearly displeased with DSC/PIC "ideology" but Tracy said he was going to write a script for Picard, which would have been a new Dixon Hill story.  He said he conceived a love story between Picard and a young black woman, but that he realized it wouldn't work.  Jonathan Frakes reminded Tracy that Patrick Stewart was now in his 80's, and a romance with a 30-year old wouldn't quite work!  Torme also says that industry people warned him to stay away from Picard, whatever that means.  I have to assume he may have been speaking of season 2 pre-production. 

Says he's still amazed by Sliders fans, and their continued support, loves hearing from them still.  Then went into Peckinpah, repeating his "too cerebral" infamous comment, that Fox made.  Says he left the show after writing his favorite episode, The Guardian, and being told by Peck, "That's exactly the kind of show we're not going to be doing anymore."  Gabbed about Marc Scott Zicree, asked them for his contact info, always liked him. 

Also has some cool Patrick McGoohan/Jonathan Harris/Bob Dylan stories.

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Talks to Cleavant all the time, can't imagine it without Jerry, and talked to JRD about it.  Imagines original cast with new ones.  Said this is being actively worked on.  Said everyone is hyper reactive on politics, and feels it's much worse now.  Threw ideas out, people told him NO you can't do that!  Struggle is not to be PC and safe.  He was literally about to mention Peacock network and his connection dropped, and of course these awful hosts didn't bother asking him again.  Almost sounded like they spoke to them but there was some reason they won't be a likely pairing, but again, who knows?

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He's going to try to have Tracy on his show again. It doesn't seem like it's signed, seal and delivered but its perhaps the best shot we'll ever have with Tracy at the helm.

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Of course, though I have to say he might simply be too much of a Hollywood "dinosaur" to get this off the ground.  Certainly not Tracy's fault, but the landscape has totally shifted.

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It's interesting -- Torme declared that a SLIDERS revival with him at the helm would not be "woke" or "politically correct."

I think Torme has an unusual definition of "woke" and "politically correct," just going by his previous work and interviews where he previously called "political correctness the great lie of the left." Torme was born in 1959, and the early twentieth century definition of "political correctness" was adherence to a specific political party's dogma and having that dogma override any personal positions and by the 70s, it was a mockery of the Russian Communist Party supposedly having pre-written and pre-approved responses for any and all social situations. He seems to attach the adjective "woke" to this definition. I think he's still using "politically correct" this way.

Since then, "politically correct" has evolved into an insult to disparage any discussion of sexuality, gender, class divisions, race, and systemic inequality -- and I don't believe Torme means "politically correct" in this manner because these are subjects which I feel Torme would gladly dive into from his libertarian perspective. I think Torme rejects the idea that any political party -- Republican or Democrat -- can hold the only truths to be found in this world (although he certainly sees the US Constitution as absolutely sacred). We are talking about someone who has described himself as "a radical leftist," "a radical environmentalist" and a "radical animal rights person" and "an ex-Democrat."

Torme is capable of mocking every side of every political divide, satirizing every gender role and racial stereotype -- and he doesn't allow political fealty to any particular party or dogma to interfere with his finding faults to gently observe, invert and explore.

Just my read. I could be Wrong.

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If Peacock won't do it, then SyFy Network should do it.  That would be awesome, especially because their programming is linear and it would be fun to get a roll out weekly rather than a binge in one day sorta thing.

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ireactions wrote:

Torme is capable of mocking every side of every political divide, satirizing every gender role and racial stereotype -- and he doesn't allow political fealty to any particular party or dogma to interfere with his finding faults to gently observe, invert and explore.

That's his point, he would like to be able to satire anybody he feels works for the story, but will be shot down.  However, Tracy's comments, which were unfortunately cut off, seemed to be more along the lines of they don't even want to broach subjects now.  That I feel is a problem, forget about your take on it, we don't even want to write a story that deals with this current topic or that.

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roulettewheel wrote:
Transmodiar wrote:

I've got other things to prioritize; that's why you haven't seen updates to Earth Prime even though I've got plenty to share. The audience isn't there.

wait hold on i want to know what the updates are lmao

I soooo want to see these updates!

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ireactions wrote:

I think pilight is right about what the cast would and wouldn't sign up for.

I get the sense that for Tracy Torme, SLIDERS ceased to exist after "The Guardian" and, fairly or unfairly, he probably won't take the time to learn about Maggie, Colin, Mallory or Diana in order to present those characters at all. That is the realm of a lunatic fanfic writer (hello).

This isn't realistic given the casting situation, but my guess is that Torme's dream vision of SLIDERS in 2021 is a remake of the Pilot updated to the present day. Slider_Quinn21 once suggested something like that (and I'll embellish it with ideas from TF):

Quinn is a 47 year old who lost his passion for science after failing to create anti-gravity; he became a student loan officer and accountant and hated by students and faculty alike; he's in trouble at work because he keeps blowing off his job to sit in on Arturo's lectures longingly.

Wade is a 49 year old manager of Doppler Computers who failed to become a tech entrepreneur and now miserably hawks smartphones. Rembrandt is a music teacher who failed to remain a star of the musical stage and now loathes the 10 year olds to whom he teaches trombone and he wishes he were dead.

The Professor is exactly the same except older, grayer and much more relaxed -- except when he sees Quinn as he loathes Quinn for abandoning science but not leaving the campus. Wade and Quinn are married but possibly not for much longer as Quinn's halfhearted tinkering with the anti-grav machine in the basement blows power to the block and costs them their house insurance and has Wade serving Quinn with divorce papers the next day.

Desperate to save his marriage, Quinn starts to disassemble the coils, but then he has an idea for a last new configuration. He accidentally opens a gateway. In shock, he passes out. When he wakes up, he discovers that (a) Wade is willing to reconcile with him if they'll go into counselling and that he somehow got their house paid off and their insurance situation fixed (b) Quinn has a new job offer from Arturo as a research assistant in applying engineering principles to the Professor's mathematics and (c) his anti-gravity equipment has been reconfigured into a sliding machine.

Quinn starts to wonder if he's losing his mind or memory only to be approached by a familiar stranger. It is Quinn Mallory. Quinn-2 says Quinn's clumsy vortex drew Quinn-2's slide trail to this world. He says he was sorry to see Quinn's life in such a state and thought he'd help him out with the three hours that he had: save his marriage, sell a few patents for him, get him a job he doesn't hate. Quinn-2 explains sliding and says he has been sliding since 1995 and he warns Quinn to be careful with it.

QUINN-2: "The first five years were rough. I lost Wade, Rembrandt and the Professor -- and getting them all back -- it was a miracle."

QUINN: "Who's Rembrandt?"

QUINN-2: "Maybe you'll find out. There are wonders out there, Quinn. But also horrors you can't imagine. It's beautiful. And it's not for the timid."

Quinn-2 leaves Quinn to his new adventures or to stay home. Quinn begins to work on sliding again and inevitably screws up, getting himself, Wade and the Professor lost along with a passing Rembrandt who just happened to be driving by the house, and the adventure begins again?

Maybe. I know it isn't plausible. But this is a place for dreams. :-)

Holy. Crap. I'D TOTALLY WATCH THIS!!!!

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RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

If Peacock won't do it, then SyFy Network should do it.  That would be awesome, especially because their programming is linear and it would be fun to get a roll out weekly rather than a binge in one day sorta thing.

Maybe the CW? I mean it's the home of Supernatural. (They even got away with Scooby-Doo and Supernatural crossover.) wink

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Classchic1 wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

If Peacock won't do it, then SyFy Network should do it.  That would be awesome, especially because their programming is linear and it would be fun to get a roll out weekly rather than a binge in one day sorta thing.

Maybe the CW? I mean it's the home of Supernatural. (They even got away with Scooby-Doo and Supernatural crossover.) wink

good idea..

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I feel like it might be kind of cringeworthy on CW. I think personally it should go on a streaming network like Netflix or Amazon or Peacock.

And to add on to Ib’s note from earlier. I’ve seen people on Reddit say they would like to see a follow up to the Seer. I don’t think Torme is going to do that. He hasn’t seen seasons 4 and 5 and what he saw of season 3 after he left, he was highly critical of. I feel like if there is any sort of explaination it will be that these are the sliders we met in 1995 and somehow down the line, we started following the wrong ones. Either that or a show focusing on a different set of sliders entirely.

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Tucker wrote:

I feel like it might be kind of cringeworthy on CW. I think personally it should go on a streaming network like Netflix or Amazon or Peacock.

And to add on to Ib’s note from earlier. I’ve seen people on Reddit say they would like to see a follow up to the Seer. I don’t think Torme is going to do that. He hasn’t seen seasons 4 and 5 and what he saw of season 3 after he left, he was highly critical of. I feel like if there is any sort of explaination it will be that these are the sliders we met in 1995 and somehow down the line, we started following the wrong ones. Either that or a show focusing on a different set of sliders entirely.

i would imagine amazon or netflix would find the idea of sliders (especially a continuation) on their networks cringeworthy.  cw would be fine if they continue it with a reboot, featuring a young protagonist.  but then again, I am not sure cw would hold any value of having jerry o'connell and jrd on their network.  since their target audience has little interest in those people.

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RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:
Tucker wrote:

but then again, I am not sure cw would hold any value of having jerry o'connell and jrd on their network.  since their target audience has little interest in those people.

CW has a history of bringing legacy actors onto a series.  Annette O’Toole had a supporting role on Smallville, and Christopher Reeve had a guest spot.  John Wesley Shipp, Helen Slater, Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher had recurring roles on the Arrowverse shows.

So it’s possible, but I couldn’t see Jerry or JRD as the stars. They would be supporting actors.  To be honest, I’m starting to wonder if Jerry would even have time to be the star of Sliders.  Jerry is now hosting The Talk, hosting Pictionary and voicing Star Trek: Lower Decks.  A supporting / recurring role on Sliders may be all Jerry could manage.

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TemporalFlux wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:
Tucker wrote:

but then again, I am not sure cw would hold any value of having jerry o'connell and jrd on their network.  since their target audience has little interest in those people.

CW has a history of bringing legacy actors onto a series.  Annette O’Toole had a supporting role on Smallville, and Christopher Reeve had a guest spot.  John Wesley Shipp, Helen Slater, Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher had recurring roles on the Arrowverse shows.

So it’s possible, but I couldn’t see Jerry or JRD as the stars. They would be supporting actors.  To be honest, I’m starting to wonder if Jerry would even have time to be the star of Sliders.  Jerry is now hosting The Talk, hosting Pictionary and voicing Star Trek: Lower Decks.  A supporting / recurring role on Sliders may be all Jerry could manage.

I assume covid messed with production, but his WGN show might be a possibility too.

I don't think CW would be opposed to JOC and JRD but I am not sure they would see value in the Sliders brand if it's not gonna pull in twenty year olds.   They might just do a mutliverse show without it in that case.

It still would be worth pitching though and you are  right that our gang would have  to be supporting  cast.  Which Jerry would be thrilled with.

John?  NOT SO MUCH big_smile

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The CW would probably be more interested in be focusing on young people (played by 30 year olds). Not so much JOC and JRD. Plus, I feel like they would be more interested in a supernatural sliders, not the down to earth alt-history rooted show it was in the first two seasons.

As far as Jerry’s involvement. Well he has been trying to bring it back for years at this point so I have a feeling that he would make time for it.

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As I've said before, Jerry or really anybody's availability may not even be required until 2022, could be up to a year from now or more.

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It's natural for fans of the show to want a follow up to The Seer.  People want closure.  I suspect the vast majority would get on board with a reboot, especially if Jerry and/or the other Sliders are involved.

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It's natural for fans of the show to want a follow up to The Seer.  People want closure.  I suspect the vast majority would get on board with a reboot, especially if Jerry and/or the other Sliders are involved

Torme said in his interview he’s trying his best to get all the OG sliders back. Yes, it is pretty natural to want a follow up to The Seer but that’s most likely what we’re not going to get (I’m okay with that.)

Grizzlor’s right. This is meerly discussion at this point. Nothing has hit the news and it doesn’t look like any deals are being made. It could be 2022, 2023 or even 2024 before we even see a reboot hit the screen and people need to make commitments.

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Classchic1 wrote:
ireactions wrote:

I think pilight is right about what the cast would and wouldn't sign up for.

I get the sense that for Tracy Torme, SLIDERS ceased to exist after "The Guardian" and, fairly or unfairly, he probably won't take the time to learn about Maggie, Colin, Mallory or Diana in order to present those characters at all. That is the realm of a lunatic fanfic writer (hello).

This isn't realistic given the casting situation, but my guess is that Torme's dream vision of SLIDERS in 2021 is a remake of the Pilot updated to the present day. Slider_Quinn21 once suggested something like that (and I'll embellish it with ideas from TF):

Quinn is a 47 year old who lost his passion for science after failing to create anti-gravity; he became a student loan officer and accountant and hated by students and faculty alike; he's in trouble at work because he keeps blowing off his job to sit in on Arturo's lectures longingly.

Wade is a 49 year old manager of Doppler Computers who failed to become a tech entrepreneur and now miserably hawks smartphones. Rembrandt is a music teacher who failed to remain a star of the musical stage and now loathes the 10 year olds to whom he teaches trombone and he wishes he were dead.

The Professor is exactly the same except older, grayer and much more relaxed -- except when he sees Quinn as he loathes Quinn for abandoning science but not leaving the campus. Wade and Quinn are married but possibly not for much longer as Quinn's halfhearted tinkering with the anti-grav machine in the basement blows power to the block and costs them their house insurance and has Wade serving Quinn with divorce papers the next day.

Desperate to save his marriage, Quinn starts to disassemble the coils, but then he has an idea for a last new configuration. He accidentally opens a gateway. In shock, he passes out. When he wakes up, he discovers that (a) Wade is willing to reconcile with him if they'll go into counselling and that he somehow got their house paid off and their insurance situation fixed (b) Quinn has a new job offer from Arturo as a research assistant in applying engineering principles to the Professor's mathematics and (c) his anti-gravity equipment has been reconfigured into a sliding machine.

Quinn starts to wonder if he's losing his mind or memory only to be approached by a familiar stranger. It is Quinn Mallory. Quinn-2 says Quinn's clumsy vortex drew Quinn-2's slide trail to this world. He says he was sorry to see Quinn's life in such a state and thought he'd help him out with the three hours that he had: save his marriage, sell a few patents for him, get him a job he doesn't hate. Quinn-2 explains sliding and says he has been sliding since 1995 and he warns Quinn to be careful with it.

QUINN-2: "The first five years were rough. I lost Wade, Rembrandt and the Professor -- and getting them all back -- it was a miracle."

QUINN: "Who's Rembrandt?"

QUINN-2: "Maybe you'll find out. There are wonders out there, Quinn. But also horrors you can't imagine. It's beautiful. And it's not for the timid."

Quinn-2 leaves Quinn to his new adventures or to stay home. Quinn begins to work on sliding again and inevitably screws up, getting himself, Wade and the Professor lost along with a passing Rembrandt who just happened to be driving by the house, and the adventure begins again?

Maybe. I know it isn't plausible. But this is a place for dreams. :-)

Holy. Crap. I'D TOTALLY WATCH THIS!!!!

What a lovely thing to say. Thank you very much. And I'm sure TF and Slider_Quinn21 appreciate you enjoying their ideas too!

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pilight wrote:

It's natural for fans of the show to want a follow up to The Seer.  People want closure.  I suspect the vast majority would get on board with a reboot, especially if Jerry and/or the other Sliders are involved.

The Facebook group is really divorced from reality in that regard.  I keep telling them, Torme has never SEEN anything past mid-Season 3, so he's surely not going to write closure to them.  That was Bill Dial's dumb idea to end on a cliffhanger. 

Tucker wrote:

Torme said in his interview he’s trying his best to get all the OG sliders back. Yes, it is pretty natural to want a follow up to The Seer but that’s most likely what we’re not going to get (I’m okay with that.)

Grizzlor’s right. This is meerly discussion at this point. Nothing has hit the news and it doesn’t look like any deals are being made. It could be 2022, 2023 or even 2024 before we even see a reboot hit the screen and people need to make commitments.

Well even if Torme got some type of go ahead, as I said, you don't just sign actors and go to work the next day.  Especially with the pandemic, so many productions have been delayed, they may not get to shoot for another year or longer from now.  O'Connell could be available at that point.

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That’s exactly what I said. You’re very right. There is a lot that happens between discussion of “hey we should reboot sliders” to shooting and filming the product. It could be ten years before it even hits screen and we don’t know if Torme or JRD would be alive at that point to do it.

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https://twitter.com/trekcore/status/1424407812617211905

JOC asked about the reboot talks.  Evidently he saw the same Torme interview we all did, ha ha.

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I hope SLIDERS will return with the sliders.

I've been converting my SLIDERS stories to ebooks in ePub format. My SLIDERS stories feature the sliders in 2015, alive and well, somehow resurrected after 2000. I've been making covers that take the old publicity photos and digitally age the faces to feature Rembrandt in his 60s, Wade in her 40s, the Professor in his 70s and Quinn in his 40s.

It'd be good to see them all again.

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ireactions wrote:

I hope SLIDERS will return with the sliders.

I've been converting my SLIDERS stories to ebooks in ePub format. My SLIDERS stories feature the sliders in 2015, alive and well, somehow resurrected after 2000. I've been making covers that take the old publicity photos and digitally age the faces to feature Rembrandt in his 60s, Wade in her 40s, the Professor in his 70s and Quinn in his 40s.

It'd be good to see them all again.

https://iili.io/RAGXO7.th.jpg https://iili.io/RAGWRS.th.jpg https://iili.io/RAGVJ2.th.jpg https://iili.io/RAGGUl.th.jpg https://iili.io/RAGhb9.th.jpg https://iili.io/RAGOib.th.jpg

this is amazing...

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but they're wearing the same clothes!

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I am sorry, Greg. I will try harder. I've been trying to get present day photos of the actors in-character and at their current ages since 2015. Six years later, the technology to upscale the old photos to building-size resolution and to digitally age their faces has become available. Perhaps in the next six years, I can amend the outfits as well, but looking at the Season 1 - 2 versions of the characters, I feel like Quinn would always be in sweaters and flannel, Wade would always be in casual wear with one formal item (jacket or a blouse), and the Professor and Rembrandt would always be in suits.

However, I think Quinn would probably have switched from jeans to flexible golf pants at this point (less restrictive for running away from danger), Wade would have spun into blazers and dress pants (like her look in "Prince of Wails"). Rembrandt and Arturo -- they strike me as suit people. Admittedly, suits are now cut a lot closer to the skin in the 2020s whereas suits in the 90s were looser and at times baggy -- but as Cleavant and John have put on moderate levels of weight, they would probably stick to the looser fit anyway.

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The most important thing in SLIDERS to me is the specific relationships and pairings that the show used. I wonder how Quinn and Arturo relate to each other as Quinn has become more seasoned and Arturo has become less insecure, and I wonder what kind of friendship Rembrandt and Wade have today.

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And it'd be wonderful to see them in the basement lab again.

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https://www.voicesvisions.net/episodes/sabrinalloyd

In this June 2021 podcast, Sabrina Lloyd says that she left acting because Hollywood was a lousy environment for a woman, but she still likes acting and would be happy to return to SLIDERS.

She has heard that Jerry and John have been "shopping it around," but she is genuinely at a loss as to how all the characters could be restored and doubtful that any studio or broadcaster would want to hire her and her castmates to headline a new revival or reboot. "We're all so old," she explains. But she says she would do it if asked so long as it didn't take her away from her children for too long and she'd ideally like to do a short six episode run.

So, Sabrina's in!

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ireactions wrote:

https://www.voicesvisions.net/episodes/sabrinalloyd

In this June 2021 podcast, Sabrina Lloyd says that she left acting because Hollywood was a lousy environment for a woman, but she still likes acting and would be happy to return to SLIDERS.

She has heard that Jerry and John have been "shopping it around," but she is genuinely at a loss as to how all the characters could be restored and doubtful that any studio or broadcaster would want to hire her and her castmates to headline a new revival or reboot. "We're all so old," she explains. But she says she would do it if asked so long as it didn't take her away from her children for too long and she'd ideally like to do a short six episode run.

So, Sabrina's in!

it's great to hear her voice again, and that she had a good experience with the other cast in the show, and she saw the potential in sliders.  and that people always recognize her for it.

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Not sure how "in" Sabrina might be, with young children and a husband who travels significantly.  Timing/Availability will remain suspect, kind of the same with John Rhys-Davies, who I'm not even sure which country he's in presently.

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*petulant tone* Sabrina Lloyd says she'd be happy to return to SLIDERS and if Sabrina says she's in, then she's in. Sabrina wouldn't lie to me!

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Grizzlor wrote:

Not sure how "in" Sabrina might be, with young children and a husband who travels significantly.  Timing/Availability will remain suspect, kind of the same with John Rhys-Davies, who I'm not even sure which country he's in presently.

Well Sabrina said that she would be interested in returning so I would say that it's very likely that she's in. I don't think she would lie on that regard. A protential reboot could also not happen for many many years where her kids might be a little older or her husband might not be traveling so much by then. John Rhys Davies also said a while ago that he would be interested in doing the show if it was worth coming back to.

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Another Tracy appearance on this channel, as they are doing a rewatch of The Prisoner.  Evidently they're trying to put Tracy and Marc Scott Zicree on the same episode in the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INRcGqveXUM

He gives a minute or two on what he's classifying as a "reboot."

"It's an interesting mix of the original characters and a couple of new characters with reason they look 20 years older.  It's worked into the story." 

"no hideous Kromaggs"

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I don't think Sabrina is "in".

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Rhys-Davies appeared at an Austrian con this past weekend, and spoke on the reboot.  Complained about the third season, but then said he'd like to do it for a season or two.  Feels like they would "reinvent" the show with younger cast and the old ones, and over the course of a season or two, you decide which of the younger ones are going to replace the older ones. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2J2IXtT3TI&t=405s

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If it's going to involve new young cast members replacing the older ones, they have to A: be interesting and compelling characters and B: Explain what happen to the other characters in a respectful way. Of course Torme's not going to involve rape camps but I'm always skeptical when people say a reboot will be a mix of old and new characters lol.

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New Reboot Info https://slidecage.com/when-the-dust-settles/

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Wow! This is great news!

Probably far too premature to celebrate, but definitely enough to warm the heart and buoy up ones spirits!

The mentions of costs kind of hit me thoughtfully. I too agree that a lot can be done to save on budget by filming in a different country and by clever redressing of sets.

Even Computer SFX are easier and cheaper to do in the current era. Especially if it is not all done in the USA.

If they could make Blade Runner decades ago with set dressing on a Backlot I do not see why similar or different cannot be done today for less.

I wonder if Tracey Torme would ever consider working with Paul Donovan who worked on Lexx?

They are very different people, but neither were afraid of touching upon issues or offending people with satire.

Plus Paul Donovan knows what is like to barely scrape by on a budget without compromising overly on artistic vision.

HBO used to allow a lot of creative freedom, although it bit them in the rear when it came to Game of Thrones.

A few years ago the BBC in London sold off a lot of it's assets, this included both warehouses full of props, studios and it's Headquarters in London.

Part of this was Government Pressure and Govt Appointees acting on said pressure.

Under the auspices of saving money.

Sadly without owned studios and warehouses etc, everything costs more to do and work with as the BBC now has to lease locations and storage and workshops etc.

It is always cheaper if you own such Locations and Assets.

Less overheads and lesser time pressures too.

Maybe somebody could suggest to Tracey the possibility of a Country with affordable Filming Locations AND Studios/Storage etc that can be owned by his Production Company?

"It's only a matter of time. Were I in your shoes, I would spend my last earthly hours enjoying the world. Of course, if you wish, you can spend them fighting for a lost cause.... But you know that you've lost." -Kane-

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WL55qz8dmk

Here's my synopsis of the chat, which was really great by the way, MSZ and TT really took it over just by themselves.  Obviously reboot-wise sounds like Tracy envisions Quinn and Rembrandt returning with 3 new characters, including a child of Quinn and Wade.  Wade likely has perished but Arturo remains somewhere.  This group has been stuck on a world due to the window being missed and a new window is soon to open.  Very cool!  Unfortunately, NBCU didn't sound super into the timing of it, and they own all the rights.

Tracy curious about MSZ and Peckinpah.  "Wasn't the most pleasant, but they let him have sci-fi writing/re-writing."  Complemented Dial and Black.  Tracy was comforted that Marc was on the staff.  MSZ mentions that Peck bought a "clone script," my guess is My Brother's Keeper, which he said was terrible and not to buy it.  Peck did it anyway and Marc had to rewrite it.  Tracy then repeats the Easy Rider biker nonsense with Peck's girlfriend!  HA HA HA.  The host then interrupted the Peck "love session" LOL.

Tracy later name dropped (badly) Earthprime.com and the old Dimension of Continuity.  Unfortunately, since this damn YouTuber never publicizes the streams, I missed it and could not offer to correct Tracy. 

Marc describes his Twilight Zone book work, and future plans for recently found Rod Serling dictations.  Short discussion on Sliders, where Tracy said that the series, at least on FOX, was shot in 35mm though probably not the effects.  Followed by more Star Trek complaining. 

Back to Sliders, co-host asks about retconning the old show.  Will remove the Kromaggs, even mentioned looking at the Sci-Fi seasons for "rules of Sliding" but doesn't sound like he cares about revisiting what happened.  Marc describes World Killer to them.  Tracy says reboot should be in San Francisco, but would love to shoot in Vancouver again.  Also speaks on Bennish, could bring him back, not sure about Logan.  Said Arturo character in reboot won't just disappear, would be addressed. 

Marc speaks about how he changed Maggie's character to better suit Kari's abilities.  Tracy says he got along with tempormental JRD, really liked him.  Says he's really mellowed, had nice conversations with him.  Marc then talks about the limitations Charlie O'Connell had.  Interesting that Marc never knew Cleavant had a twin brother!  Tracy felt that Rembrandt's character was done improperly, should have stepped in say S4, that they lost the show biz guy and turned into an action figure.

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He actually recalled Matt Hutaff. I don't think he named the website specifically. I put earthprime.com in the chat guess they never saw it.

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Jim_Hall wrote:

He actually recalled Matt Hutaff. I don't think he named the website specifically. I put earthprime.com in the chat guess they never saw it.

He got "Max Infinity" which was TF's old AOL screename with Matt Hutaff confused, ha ha.  Also blurted Continuity, either way I doubt he's seen those websites in eons. 

I would say the biggest "news" was the vehicle he intended to use to restart the show, which was clever, that there were 5 group members including an offspring, and that one original had passed, which one has to assume is Wade.  Total hypothetical here, but if they were strictly abiding by 29.7 years, you'd have to likely place the year as like 2026-27, presuming the original group gets stranded sometime around 1997.  Although such nitpicking is really not important, I still found that quite Tracy-like to think of an old plot element like that!

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Grizzlor wrote:

Here's my synopsis of the chat, which was really great by the way, MSZ and TT really took it over just by themselves.  Obviously reboot-wise sounds like Tracy envisions Quinn and Rembrandt returning with 3 new characters, including a child of Quinn and Wade.  Wade likely has perished but Arturo remains somewhere.  This group has been stuck on a world due to the window being missed and a new window is soon to open.  Very cool!  Unfortunately, NBCU didn't sound super into the timing of it, and they own all the rights.

I can see how this could work if you think of it in terms of history repeating itself and a pilot movie do-over.

The series opens on Quinn and Wade’s daughter having discovered something unusual in her search for anti-gravity, but she can’t quite get it to work.  She lives with her father Quinn who is ready to turn the house into a bed and breakfast if his daughter will ever graduate and move out.  Quinn has raised his daughter alone after his wife (Wade) died years ago.

But Quinn had another life his daughter doesn’t know about, and a special anniversary is on the horizon.  Quinn opens the safe in his home and looks at the timer.  He and his companions all agreed to meet again when the timer reached the end of its count, and Quinn calls Rembrandt to see if he’ll be there.

You can see where it would go from there.  Quinn and Rembrandt have no intention of sliding, but Quinn’s daughter and her friends cause things to spiral out of control.  That idea could work, and it would play into legacy ideas like the Ghostbusters reboot.  If Ghostbusters is successful, that could be a selling point for Torme’s idea (if that’s the direction he’s going).

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Awww, why does Wade always have to die? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaade!!

(I guess Torme is assuming that Sabrina Lloyd wouldn't want to do a regular role.)

Haven't seen this yet (although I did download an MP3) and may be able to listen when driving, so I'm not sure what is meant by NBCUniversal not wanting a reboot at "this time" or what is meant by waiting for the dust to "settle."

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I think this new group could be interesting,  I'm intrigued to learn the groups reason for sliding. Since they are waiting for the window of opportunity,  it stands to reason that they are all willing in their involvement to slide. I would think for most of them this is their home that they are leaving including Quinn (I'm mean, the mother of his child died on this world, wouldn't that make it home for him).

JWSlider3

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TemporalFlux wrote:

I can see how this could work if you think of it in terms of history repeating itself and a pilot movie do-over.

The series opens on Quinn and Wade’s daughter having discovered something unusual in her search for anti-gravity, but she can’t quite get it to work.  She lives with her father Quinn who is ready to turn the house into a bed and breakfast if his daughter will ever graduate and move out.  Quinn has raised his daughter alone after his wife (Wade) died years ago.

But Quinn had another life his daughter doesn’t know about, and a special anniversary is on the horizon.  Quinn opens the safe in his home and looks at the timer.  He and his companions all agreed to meet again when the timer reached the end of its count, and Quinn calls Rembrandt to see if he’ll be there.

You can see where it would go from there.  Quinn and Rembrandt have no intention of sliding, but Quinn’s daughter and her friends cause things to spiral out of control.  That idea could work, and it would play into legacy ideas like the Ghostbusters reboot.  If Ghostbusters is successful, that could be a selling point for Torme’s idea (if that’s the direction he’s going).

I agree, with a likely situation being the daughter dreams of Sliding and/or is rebellious and doesn't listen to her dad.  She accidentally sets it off or something, and they get sucked in.  Of course, it would only be fitting for Rembrandt to be sucked in as he drives up to their house, in another Caddy!

ireactions wrote:

Awww, why does Wade always have to die? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaade!!

(I guess Torme is assuming that Sabrina Lloyd wouldn't want to do a regular role.)

Haven't seen this yet (although I did download an MP3) and may be able to listen when driving, so I'm not sure what is meant by NBCUniversal not wanting a reboot at "this time" or what is meant by waiting for the dust to "settle."

The way Tracy framed it was he expected they'd take the pitch and be like, yeah go ahead, let's do this.  Nice of him to be that optimistic, because I sure wasn't.  The "time" thing was them asking him, why is now the right time to bring it back?  Obviously he could come up with 30 good reasons, but again this is a company that has no clue what it's doing.  I take that as them saying, why should we care about some show from 25 years ago?  They are that dense.

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I haven't listened to the MP3 yet. Are the revival talks with Torme and NBCUniversal over? Or are they going to reconvene to discuss it at a later date?

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ireactions wrote:

I haven't listened to the MP3 yet. Are the revival talks with Torme and NBCUniversal over? Or are they going to reconvene to discuss it at a later date?

He talks about it around 26 mins in.  Had a few meetings, felt they went well.  NBCU told them to sit on it a little bit, and they'll meet again in a month or so.  "Launch is paused."  Tracy said "not getting too up or down, optimistic that when all the dust settles, there will be a Sliders reboot." 

Now again I'm happy that he's optimistic, but without NBCU he cannot move forward.  He cannot pitch this to Fox or Disney or Amazon without their consent and/or buy in.  Why NBCU execs would ask "why is this the right time?" is beyond me.  You've just launched this premium service Peacock.  There's nothing on it besides sports and Saved by the Bell.  Why would you NOT want content that has a baked in fanbase?

Last thing I would add is that Tracy mentioned "dark comedy" being a centerpiece of the reboot, which was the heart of the original show while he was at the helm.  That was probably the most gratifying thing he said IMO.

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TemporalFlux wrote:

The series opens on Quinn and Wade’s daughter having discovered something unusual in her search for anti-gravity, but she can’t quite get it to work.  She lives with her father Quinn who is ready to turn the house into a bed and breakfast if his daughter will ever graduate and move out.  Quinn has raised his daughter alone after his wife (Wade) died years ago.

But Quinn had another life his daughter doesn’t know about, and a special anniversary is on the horizon.  Quinn opens the safe in his home and looks at the timer.  He and his companions all agreed to meet again when the timer reached the end of its count, and Quinn calls Rembrandt to see if he’ll be there.

You can see where it would go from there.  Quinn and Rembrandt have no intention of sliding, but Quinn’s daughter and her friends cause things to spiral out of control.  That idea could work, and it would play into legacy ideas like the Ghostbusters reboot.  If Ghostbusters is successful, that could be a selling point for Torme’s idea (if that’s the direction he’s going).

Grizzlor wrote:

I agree, with a likely situation being the daughter dreams of Sliding and/or is rebellious and doesn't listen to her dad.  She accidentally sets it off or something, and they get sucked in.  Of course, it would only be fitting for Rembrandt to be sucked in as he drives up to their house, in another Caddy!

The idea of watching the interplay between a rebellious teenage daughter who, not only back-talks her father, but is on par with his intelligence (and is generally a lot more street smart) would be ace! But I'm also not sure that I'm completely in love with the idea of Quinn and Rembrandt accidentally getting caught up in events again. Or the thought of not giving the newbies a chance to shine without this massive backstory or veterans looming over everything.

So I'd probably twist it a little.

With the window of opportunity now resurfacing, I'd rather Quinn and Rembrandt contemplate - and quickly discard - the idea of leaving since this is now their home. However, his daughter (both curious and smart) activates the timer and sets off with her companion(s), also grabbing her Dad's video recordings of his adventures that he had stashed away in the safe.

This would both allow the newbies to take center stage and have the oldies be interspersed throughout the adventures as Quinn and Rembrandt start from scratch to try and rebuild the timer and track his missing daughter. The video journals would allow Quinn to feature in many episodes (possibly spouting key survival points about Sliding and the timer) and it could also serve as a vehicle for Sabrina if she didn't want to commit fully. Her counter-points to Quinn about what she deems crucial about Sliding would be fun.

Mid season, or close to the end, would then see Quinn and Rembrandt actually slide out, able to track her trail and see either the benefits or the fallouts of the worlds that his daughter has been on (reusing sets and saving some money) before reuniting on a world in the finale.


But that's just a random thought I had. Them all sliding out at the same time would obviously work, but if we are going to ignore the latter seasons, then you might as well just give the new people a chance to shine first and foremost and interweave the 'backstory' and the old cast bit by bit.

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Grizzlor wrote:
The way Tracy framed it was he expected they'd take the pitch and be like, yeah go ahead, let's do this.  Nice of him to be that optimistic, because I sure wasn't.  The "time" thing was them asking him, why is now the right time to bring it back?

The executive that ask if this is the right time was the same executive that said "Tracy, can you write a pitch to bring Sliders back".

So, now you can understand why Tracy was surprised.

JWSlider3

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JWSlider3 wrote:

Grizzlor wrote:
The way Tracy framed it was he expected they'd take the pitch and be like, yeah go ahead, let's do this.  Nice of him to be that optimistic, because I sure wasn't.  The "time" thing was them asking him, why is now the right time to bring it back?

The executive that ask if this is the right time was the same executive that said "Tracy, can you write a pitch to bring Sliders back".

So, now you can understand why Tracy was surprised.

JWSlider3

yikes.  really?  that must have caught him off guard.

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It’s kind of a silly question.  Between Disney’s Marvel multiverse push and Warner’s Flashpoint, media is grabbing onto the parallel reality idea with both hands.  Sliders is Universal’s ready made ticket into the current fad.

If this isn’t the right time for Sliders, when would be?

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How high up is this executive?   Can he/she effectively green light?  NBCU/Comcast is a tough nut to crack.  Their original programming on USA, SyFy, and now Peacock are absolutely hideous.

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From what I understand, this person could green light the show. The problem appears to be Universal's financial state. A show that might lose money isn't an option, at least at this moment in time.

JWSlider3

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JWSlider3 wrote:

From what I understand, this person could green light the show. The problem appears to be Universal's financial state. A show that might lose money isn't an option, at least at this moment in time.

JWSlider3

Peacock revenue reached more than $100 million last year, but the streamer brought in a loss before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization of $700 million given investments. NBCUniversal continues to expect losses of $2 billion for Peacock for 2020 and 2021.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/busin … p-4173961/

of course... if they were making money, they would think they were too cool for tracy and sliders... so it works both ways.  an excuse from them regardless.

i do empathize bc the show could easily lose money.  we're talking $10-20m production cost at least for a series or miniseries.

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It's a good point by JW.  NBCU and Comcast are a financial disaster.  Comcast itself is hemorrhaging money from cord cutting and competition, and Peacock seems to be an absolute fools' errand.  They're not the only ones, CBS/Paramount is in the same boat.  Why start streaming services when you do not have content people want on them?

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One argument I would use is what Sliders did for Sci-Fi Channel.

Just before Sliders, Sci-Fi was nothing but old content from their library, and they had two sponsors (Soloflex and Kahlua Mudslide).  But Sliders premiered to record shattering ratings for Sci-Fi (2.2 million and 2.4 million), and Sci-Fi built from there into a channel that housed Farscape, Stargate and Moore’s Battlestar Galactica reboot (among other series).  It all started with Sliders.

Peacock is in a similar situation to Sci-Fi before Sliders.  Certainly there are several pieces of content coming from Seth McFarlane (one that even plays with the parallel reality concept), but none of them are name brand anchors.

Realistically, the Sliders Sci-Fi Channel track record is going on 25 years old now, but I think it still holds merit.  Peacock needs a name brand of new content to give them a leg up, and Sliders is a fond memory of a large number of people (14 million people watched the pilot movie premiere on Fox).  And I believe Sliders can be done at less expense than even Quantum Leap (which requires lots of period clothing, music rights, etc).  It would definitely be cheaper than the troubled Battlestar Galactica production that was meant to help anchor Peacock

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Some shady maneuvers with NBCU and Peacock:

https://9to5google.com/2021/09/28/nbc-y … ck-report/

It does smack of desperation.

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Well the Actress that portrayed Logan St Clair, Zoe Mclellan is still Acting and has aged very well, she looks great to put it bluntly. So as long as she is not already committed to other Projects etc, then the possibility of her coming back is viable at least.

That said, I do recall that the Wormhole she departed through was rather destructive, so even if she survived the transition through the Vortex, they could easily bring in a new Actress using the excuse/reasoning of Reconstructive Plastic Surgery etc.... Would also allow Torme to let the character once again avoid recognition by the Sliders.

The first time it was Gender that obfuscated recognition of her being an Evil/Amoral double of Quinn. This time it can be via Nip Tucking or maybe even a Technological Solution with interesting features like the old Movie "Darkman"?

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Zoe McLellan is currently missing, having disappeared with her son. There's a warrant for her arrest for kidnapping her son as his custody was in dispute with the biological father. Her situation is pretty messed up with a lot of accusations flying her way from her ex and Zoe having previously accused the father of raping her son (although she's not defending herself against current accusations because she seems to have gone into hiding).

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ireactions wrote:

Zoe McLellan is currently missing, having disappeared with her son. There's a warrant for her arrest for kidnapping her son as his custody was in dispute with the biological father. Her situation is pretty messed up with a lot of accusations flying her way from her ex and Zoe having previously accused the father of raping her son (although she's not defending herself against current accusations because she seems to have gone into hiding).

Holy Hannah!

I certainly was not expecting that at all..... That's actually really sad and upsetting.

"It's only a matter of time. Were I in your shoes, I would spend my last earthly hours enjoying the world. Of course, if you wish, you can spend them fighting for a lost cause.... But you know that you've lost." -Kane-

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I'm very unclear on what's going on here and McLellan has not spoken to defend herself. A few years ago, McLellan accused her ex of raping her son. The man was arrested and jailed, but due to lack of evidence, he was released. An ex-boyfriend of McLellan's said that he'd spent a lot of time with her and her son and did not believe that the boy had been assaulted (which is ultimately hearsay on both ends at this point), there were claims that McLellan had tried to hire a prison guard to murder her ex while he was in jail (hearsay again) and McLellan's ex petitioned for custody of the child. McLellan vanished, going dark on her social media, going completely off the grid, and she took her son with her. We have no way of knowing which side of this conflict is true and we should all withhold judgement until new information comes to light.

But yes. Holy Hannah in a handbasket. It's messed up. I was thinking of starting a thread, "WTF is Going On With Zoe?" but COVID has really been taking up too much of my brain.

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Frankly I don't think it's appropriate to even banter about this, and certainly not in the "Return of Sliders" thread.

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Grizzlor wrote:

Frankly I don't think it's appropriate to even banter about this, and certainly not in the "Return of Sliders" thread.

Grizzlor, I apologize for upsetting you. This is an upsetting situation. However, there is no "banter" about Zoe McLellan's situation and nothing inappropriate in the comments made about it. A poster remarked:

omnimercurial wrote:

Well the Actress that portrayed Logan St Clair, Zoe Mclellan is still Acting and has aged very well, she looks great to put it bluntly. So as long as she is not already committed to other Projects etc, then the possibility of her coming back is viable at least.

And I responded that Zoe McLellan is not currently acting.

ireactions wrote:

Zoe McLellan is currently missing, having disappeared with her son. There's a warrant for her arrest for kidnapping her son as his custody was in dispute with the biological father. Her situation is pretty messed up with a lot of accusations flying her way from her ex and Zoe having previously accused the father of raping her son (although she's not defending herself against current accusations because she seems to have gone into hiding).

ireactions wrote:

I'm very unclear on what's going on here and McLellan has not spoken to defend herself. A few years ago, McLellan accused her ex of raping her son. The man was arrested and jailed, but due to lack of evidence, he was released. An ex-boyfriend of McLellan's said that he'd spent a lot of time with her and her son and did not believe that the boy had been assaulted (which is ultimately hearsay on both ends at this point), there were claims that McLellan had tried to hire a prison guard to murder her ex while he was in jail (hearsay again) and McLellan's ex petitioned for custody of the child. McLellan vanished, going dark on her social media, going completely off the grid, and she took her son with her. We have no way of knowing which side of this conflict is true and we should all withhold judgement until new information comes to light.

Those are simply the facts. I recognize that they are upsetting facts, but it isn't inappropriate to share information about the accusations that McLellan and her exes have made against each other in public on social media and to media outlets. They publicized that themselves. And we have no way of knowing which accusations are true.

There is nothing inappropriate about a poster wondering if Zoe McLellan would be able to participate in a SLIDERS revival in the SLIDERS revival thread. There is nothing inappropriate about explaining why Zoe McLellan would not be able to participate in a SLIDERS revival in the SLIDERS revival thread.

There is also nothing inappropriate about discussing whether or not Sabrina Lloyd / John Rhys-Davies / Cleavant Derricks / Jerry O'Connell / Will Sasso / Linda Henning / Yee Jee Tso / Jason Gaffney / Background Extra #8 would be able to participate in a SLIDERS revival in the SLIDERS revival thread.

No one is making light of the bizarre and upsetting circumstances surrounding McLellan. All we are doing is hoping that Zoe McLellan is a good person, that the accusations against her aren't true, that her son is safe, that she is safe -- and that she'll find some way back to her life and act again (and be in a SLIDERS revival).

All SLIDERS fans love Zoe McLellan's work and I know that, while we all have different opinions, every SLIDERS fan on Earth just wants Zoe McLellan to be okay.

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So today I've watched this amazing interview with Tracy Torme smile  Do you have some contact with him?

I'm affraid that he only wants to include in the 6th season Remmy, Arturo and Quinn but what about Wade? Can somebody tell to Mr Torme that Sabrina Lloyd said many times on Instagram that she would be interested to play Wade again? smile

Please, if you know how to contact with Torme, please tell him about Sabrina! big_smile Wade needs to be included!!! smile

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ireactions wrote:

Grizzlor, I apologize for upsetting you. This is an upsetting situation. However, there is no "banter" about Zoe McLellan's situation and nothing inappropriate in the comments made about it.

You're not upsetting me, but it just distracts from the purpose of this thread.  I am not an admin here, or I would have moved it to its own thread.  Tracy said in the live stream he had no interest in Logan anyway.

Cez wrote:

So today I've watched this amazing interview with Tracy Torme smile  Do you have some contact with him?

I'm affraid that he only wants to include in the 6th season Remmy, Arturo and Quinn but what about Wade? Can somebody tell to Mr Torme that Sabrina Lloyd said many times on Instagram that she would be interested to play Wade again? smile

Please, if you know how to contact with Torme, please tell him about Sabrina! big_smile Wade needs to be included!!! smile

Not really we don't.  However, it seems like his plan is to have a couple old characters and 3 new ones.  You cannot sell a reboot of the show solely with the original characters.  Furthermore, while Sabrina seems to be interested again in acting, I do not expect her to truly be available for a series should it return.

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Torme did say that only two original characters were returning along with three new ones and one of the originals is dead somehow. I hope maybe he changes his mind somehow or comes up with another way to write the absent characters out if he can't get the actors. Maybe leave it open for them to show up sparingly in guest roles.

Really don't want to dismiss Torme's showrunning and writing abilities because he is great writer. But I feel like he could benefit if he was working with a few fans of the old show. They would know what they would and wouldn't like to see. Especially Torme never saw the later seasons so having someone on board who has, they will know not to repeat past mistakes.

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Grizzlor wrote:
ireactions wrote:

Grizzlor, I apologize for upsetting you. This is an upsetting situation. However, there is no "banter" about Zoe McLellan's situation and nothing inappropriate in the comments made about it.

You're not upsetting me, but it just distracts from the purpose of this thread.  I am not an admin here, or I would have moved it to its own thread.

If you're not upset, then I look forward to not hearing from you about it again.

Someone asked if Zoe might be in the revival and I had information to offer in response. That is not a distraction. That is not a tangent.

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Tucker wrote:

Torme did say that only two original characters were returning along with three new ones and one of the originals is dead somehow. I hope maybe he changes his mind somehow or comes up with another way to write the absent characters out if he can't get the actors. Maybe leave it open for them to show up sparingly in guest roles.

Really don't want to dismiss Torme's showrunning and writing abilities because he is great writer. But I feel like he could benefit if he was working with a few fans of the old show. They would know what they would and wouldn't like to see. Especially Torme never saw the later seasons so having someone on board who has, they will know not to repeat past mistakes.

I assume that the dead characters are Torme anticipating actor unavailability and that it's something he's prepared to adjust.

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ireactions wrote:
Grizzlor wrote:
ireactions wrote:

Grizzlor, I apologize for upsetting you. This is an upsetting situation. However, there is no "banter" about Zoe McLellan's situation and nothing inappropriate in the comments made about it.

You're not upsetting me, but it just distracts from the purpose of this thread.  I am not an admin here, or I would have moved it to its own thread.

If you're not upset, then I look forward to not hearing from you about it again.

Someone asked if Zoe might be in the revival and I had information to offer in response. That is not a distraction. That is not a tangent.

Again, I have no problem with your first update on her situation.  And yes, a "What the hell is up with Zoe" thread would have been a more appropriate place for our version of the Nancy Grace Show.  The situation she's in is very concerning/scandalous, and we could probably discuss it for quite some time, but away from THE main thread on the Torme reboot as there's bound to be more news within a few weeks time.  That's why I politely asked to have the Zoe stuff split off, it's a simple admin task.

Tucker wrote:

Torme did say that only two original characters were returning along with three new ones and one of the originals is dead somehow. I hope maybe he changes his mind somehow or comes up with another way to write the absent characters out if he can't get the actors. Maybe leave it open for them to show up sparingly in guest roles.

You can only have so many characters on this kind of show.  There's only so much room on the page, and on camera, not to mention the budget, for actors.  Sliding from world to world makes a large ensemble really impossible.  I'm actually surprised he's expanding to five.  Obviously, if Wade is gone, the now teen child carries that loss, which becomes a tool for writing each episode.  Sort of like Quinn was with his deceased father, again, there's a formula to follow.  Don't think Tracy is opposed to guest appearances, as he said as much.  However, it's clear some characters like Logan for instance, he obviously isn't interested in, nor the Nazi Kromaggs.

Tucker wrote:

Really don't want to dismiss Torme's showrunning and writing abilities because he is great writer. But I feel like he could benefit if he was working with a few fans of the old show. They would know what they would and wouldn't like to see. Especially Torme never saw the later seasons so having someone on board who has, they will know not to repeat past mistakes.

The LAST thing any showrunner should do is to take that kind of direct fan input.  Listen, if you loved what he wrote in the first 2+ seasons, then have faith he'll get it right this time.  Besides, those "mistakes" you're worried about came after he left the show, and it was controlled by a total disaster.

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@Grizzlor

I'm sorry if you found our talk of Zoe distracting, I would like to be clear in stating that there was no "Banter" about such serious issues.

As to input regarding Characters.... Well of course Tracey will be leery of would be back seat drivers on his vision, especially given historical events.

That said, Tracey has always been receptive and welcoming of Fan Opinions, he can choose whether to disregard or take in what is presented to him.

Concern was noted that perhaps Tracey was unaware of Sabrina's positive comments on any future project....

It seems likely that Ib's thoughts are correct, flexibility would likely be on Tracey's mind, to avoid getting locked into availability issues.

Guest appearances are possible for anyone after all.

"It's only a matter of time. Were I in your shoes, I would spend my last earthly hours enjoying the world. Of course, if you wish, you can spend them fighting for a lost cause.... But you know that you've lost." -Kane-

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As for others saying that showrunners shouldn't and wouldn't take direct fan input -- I never think a creator should simply crowdsource where their story is going and what their story is about. However, when resuming control of an existing property with an existing fanbase, I think a creator should be informed by the fans' hopes and wishes if only to use those expectations for drama and interest in their material. Fans want to see Wade Welles again and to know she's okay; Sabrina Lloyd only wants to do guest-appearances and short runs of episodes, so production realities also have to be taken into consideration.

If SLIDERS REVIVED is only going to be 6 - 10 episodes a year, I think Sabrina Lloyd would be open to returning and then Torme would reconsider; he might want to make Wade a regular or he might feel she works best as recurring. He might still reveal that Wade is dead (as Michael Mallory was dead in the Pilot) only to reveal that Wade faked her death (as Torme had intended for Michael Mallory and seeded in the Pilot).

I don't believe that Torme would be uncaring towards what the fans want or be unmoved by being informed that fans want to see Wade and Sabrina Lloyd would be willing to reprise her role. Would he be enslaved to that wish? No, but he would take it into consideration.

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I don't love the idea of wade being dead. I am not sure Tracy knows about her horrific ending in the original series.

I do think sabrina would be willing to dedicate a few months a year, but not sure beyond that.  Tracy I think is just assuming she's moved on, living in africa and not really available.  She has lived on and off in vancouver the last number of years (between the back and forth with Africa).  So it's not really out of the question.  And yea, she expressed some, cautious interest.

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This is how I spent my lunchbreak.

CEZ: "I've direct messaged this YouTuber who interviewed Tracy Torme. He answered me that when he makes another podcast with Tracy about SLIDERS, we can ask about Sabrina and Wade."

IREACTIONS: "You seem very upset. This concerns me."

CEZ: "I'm really worried about her!"

IREACTIONS: "Sabrina or Wade?"

CEZ: "Sabrina wrote many times on Instagram that she would consider coming back to SLIDERS and I don't want Wade to be dead."

IREACTIONS: "Well. I can imagine Torme *saying* Wade is dead."

CEZ: "You mean he says she's dead, but the plan is to surprise us and have her alive, but we need to wait and watch it?"

IREACTIONS: "I can imagine the show starting with Wade being dead. Then having Wade turn up alive if Sabrina guest-stars."

CEZ: "Yes!"

IREACTIONS: "I don't think Torme wants to kill Wade. He just doesn't think Sabrina would come back full time, so he's planning for that."

CEZ: "I wonder why Torme only talks about two old sliders, not three. And what do you think about this 29 year gap? Why wouldn't they have built a new timer?"

IREACTIONS: "It sounds like Torme wants to say his canon diverges from the aired TV show, and I assume he wants to say that the sliders, shortly after 'The Guardian,' stopped sliding and settled down."

CEZ: "So the episodes after 'The Guardian' could be the adventures of some other sliders, right?"

IREACTIONS: "Well, here is my idea of how they could make it work, and it's just my iteration of Temporal Flux's ideas... "

1996
The Professor got addicted to Slushies after "The Guardian" and developed a debilitating sugar addiction. Stuck in a bathroom sick, he missed the slide window and the other sliders stayed, refusing to leave without him.

The sliders realized that they needed money to build a new sliding machine. On this relatively normal world, the sliders sold the Sliders TV show to the FOX Network.

(On what relatively normal world can four nobodies sell a TV show, you may ask? To which the answer is: look, over there!)

1997 - 1999
They were able to get 22 relatively good episodes to air at which point FOX fired them all off the show for Season 3. Everything after "The Guardian" that we saw was actually the fictional TV show that the original sliders sold to FOX and of which they lost control.

The sliders kept watching and were horrified by the monster movies and everyone dying in some ghastly fate. Despite the absurdity of the episodes, watching them put everyone off wanting to go sliding again.

2000
Quinn ceased working on building a new timer and they all settled down. Quinn sometimes has nightmares about the show.

(Why do the actors playing the sliders in this fictional show seem to look exactly like the actual sliders? Quinn remarks, "Casting really found people who look a lot like us." And Rembrandt grumbles, "I don't like this guy playing me; he looks nothing like me and he makes me out to be some silly goofball.")

2001
The SLIDERS TV show is cancelled in 2001 having aired five seasons (1996  - 2001). It is exactly what we ourselves saw on TV except in this world, it premiered in 1996 and its production history is merely one year behind our world. Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo are relieved because they won't feel compelled to watch it anymore.

Rembrandt asks the Professor what his favourite episode of the show was. "My FAVOURITE episode of SLIDERS?!" the Professor exclaims. After a moment's thought, he answers: "The last one."

2001 - 2015
Quinn and Wade got married and had a child. Rembrandt became their wacky neighbour. The Professor left San Francisco / Los Angeles, searching the world for a cure to his sugar addiction.

2016
Wade made a ton of money by selling a revolutionary new battery technology to Samsung. Samsung used this battery in their Samsung Note 7 phone which had a tendency to explode.

Wade's Note 7 burst into flame in her house one night and she died in the fire.

(If Sabrina Lloyd returns to the show, it's revealed that she faked her death so that Quinn and their daughter wouldn't be bankrupted by all the lawsuits over the battery.)

2020
Quinn is raising his daughter as a single dad with Rembrandt's help. Quinn spends his days winning money in online poker. The Professor is obsessed with UFOs now. Rembrandt has a fleet of food trucks -- the Sliders Trucks -- that sell mini-hamburgers.

(Wade is secretly living across the street from Quinn's house to keep an eye on her family, but we won't know that unless Sabrina Lloyd appears.)

2021

And we go with Temporal Flux's idea: Quinn and Wade's daughter is trying to build anti-gravity and the kid finds the timer.

IREACTIONS: "Anyway. I don't believe Torme would *really* kill Wade off. Unless Sabrina Lloyd shot his dog and burned down his house. I think that Wade is just 'missing.' Feel better?"

CEZ: "Yeah!"

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Heh! Made me laugh and smile!

"It's only a matter of time. Were I in your shoes, I would spend my last earthly hours enjoying the world. Of course, if you wish, you can spend them fighting for a lost cause.... But you know that you've lost." -Kane-

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I wonder if the SLIDERS revival, should it come to pass, will bring about a second chance for one of SLIDERS' most underserved characters whose presence could have been a pivotal shift in SLIDERS' status in 1995 and could be equally vital now. I speak, of course, of Computer Boy.

Computer Boy, as diehard Slideheads know, was not merely a euphemism for Michael Hurley. In the original draft of the Pilot, the Doppler computer store was actually called "Top Flight" and the mascot was "Computer Boy," a handdrawn illustration, an artistic drawing of a character who had the body of a pudgy little boy and a computer monitor for a head.

Hurley regularly declared that "Computer Boy" would not tolerate unprofessionalism or tardiness. Quinn longed to tell Hurley where to stick Computer Boy. Also, Wade Welles had apparently been to Hurley's house (because a fortysomething manager had a vulnerable young college girl in his home for reasons so horrifying that Tracy Torme dared not type them into his script). Wade informed Quinn that Hurley had pictures of Computer Boy in his family photo albums.

Computer Boy was cut from the script, but my fascination with Computer Boy remains unabated even 26 years after the Pilot aired. In fact, I have come to believe that had Computer Boy featured in the Pilot, SLIDERS would have become a very different value proposition.

I believe that the imagery and appeal of Computer Boy would have stirred a slumbering country and united America as a people and a nation. I believe that the unpretentious charm of the Computer Boy design would have caused advertisers to leap to their feet, eager for Computer Boy to promote their wares, their fashions, their technologies, their gadgets, their foods, their toys.

I believe that the relentless popularity of Computer Boy would have radically altered SLIDERS in a small and subtle way: Doppler Computers would have been a core location of the show instead of, say, The Cave of Season 3 or the Chandler Hotel set or the Universal clocktower parkette. Doppler Computers would have come to the forefront as the most prominent place because it would be a central nexus point for advertising and product placement that would be both amusing and promotional and any and all brands and items on display would have been augmented by the presence of Computer Boy.

Imagine in the theatre of your beautiful minds the stirring image of a moderately overweight adolescent boy with a 90s era computer monitor for a head and a cheery expression on that screen. Is Computer Boy nothing if not a rendering if our innate optimism and the belief that technology will transform us into the people we want to be? For everyone who has ever found their lives enriched by a watch to help them keep appointments, a calculator to aid them in their bills, a flashlight to guide us in the dark of the night -- are we not all Computer Boy?

I believe that the high promotional and merchandising opportunities offered by Computer Boy in 1995 could have made SLIDERS a mainstream, widely popular dramedy series with impressive earning potential on top of deficit-financed syndication sales and commercial airtime. The presence of Computer Boy would have given SLIDERS tremendous leeway in storytelling so long as Computer Boy was there to sell cars and VCRs and TVs.

I believe that Computer Boy could have been the hero that we needed in the moment that we needed him and we need him once again.

I urge Tracy Torme to, this time in his potential revival, ensure that Computer Boy takes his rightful place in SLIDERS as a figure of merchandising, brand promotion and product placement with the eventual arc of joining the cast as the fifth slider and then assuming the point position as the lead character of SLIDERS.

Computer Boy Forever.

TLDR: I hope a new SLIDERS production uses the Doppler store for product placement.

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I always had a fascination with Montague:

http://slidersimages.com/1a/1a248.jpg

When not in class, did he accidentally solve murder mysteries?  I bet he did.

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And also an optimistic note.  Remember that I said a well-performing Ghostbusters legacy idea would be a good argument for Tracy’s Sliders legacy take?  Well, it’s looking like Ghostbusters got it right.

https://bleedingcool.com/movies/ghostbu … s-to-love/

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TemporalFlux wrote:

I always had a fascination with Montague:

http://slidersimages.com/1a/1a248.jpg

When not in class, did he accidentally solve murder mysteries?  I bet he did.

In my final SLIDERS REBORN script, I remember writing a role in for Montague and thinking, "TF would be so proud of me for this."

I have actually harboured a suspicion for decades that Montague was not exactly what he appeared to be. His presence in Arturo's class is peculiar; he isn't just struggling to grapple with Arturo's mathematical conundrum, he seems intimidated and avoidant. He clearly doesn't want to be there, yet to be in this advanced graduate level study of select students, he would have had to put tremendous effort into getting there.

"Summer of Love" is also peculiar in that Quinn Mallory's disappearance along with Wade, Rembrandt and the Professor is being investigated as a federal case rather than a municipal or state matter. The incident, which would be easily dismissed as a crank hallucination by most law enforcement agencies, has been elevated to a high echelon of investigation.

My suspicion is that Montague was not actually a physics student at all, but an FBI agent planted in the Professor's class who lacked any actual scientific training and was advised to cower in the face of any questions (because he didn't have the ability to answer them and this could maintain his cover).

My suspicion is that in "Summer of Love," the FBI didn't come to investigate Quinn's disappearance, but that they had been watching him all along; they had been investigating the disappearance of Michael Mallory, a renowned physicist and engineer who had vanished after a car crash which the FBI determined had been staged with the medical records forged, the death certificate bought and the actual body missing.

This was further advanced by Tracy Torme himself who informed fans in private conversations: he had planned to reveal that the Michael Mallory was alive with the thought that the sliders would make it home, but find Michael present and think they had the wrong Earth when they didn't.

Why had Michael faked his death? Torme had a number of possibilities but was not commited to any: he might have abandoned his family for selfish reasons, he might have gone into hiding to protect Amanda and Quinn from dark powers wanting his scientific skills for malevolent reasons, powers who might threaten his wife and son. However, Torme never got around to using this idea and other paths presented themselves for Michael Mallory.

In this context, it becomes clear that Montague is a person who has spent his life unable to assert himself, unable to speak for himself, whose utter lack of distinction in every area of life allowed him to acquire a security clearance and work in a clerical position at the FBI as his life was too boring to pose any security risk whatsoever; Montague cannot attract attention from waiters in a restaurant, cannot be forceful in ringing a doorbell, and is the perfect covert agent to position in Quinn Mallory's life as a near-invisible student, observing, waiting, recording and reporting.

But in the course of these tasks, Montague discovers he has a talent; he can find the breaking point in cold cases. He has a gift for stumbling into previously unrevealed information as people forget he's in the room and confess scraps of information that lead to exposing cover-ups and conspiracies. He has a proficiency in occupying a room unnoticed and unseen, absorbing smaller details that otherwise go unnoticed, and identifying motives and methods that would otherwise go unrecovered.

In the years that have passed, Montague has in his meandering through life solved approximately five cold cases a month. The only cold case he cannot solve, the only cold case that haunts him day and night: the disappearances of Quinn and Michael Mallory.

It is 27 years since the Mallory son vanished, years after the Mallory father disappeared. The time has come. His greatest mystery may finally be resolved. Clearly, SLIDERS' revival will be focused on the hero who was standing unseen in plain sight right from the very beginning.

Surely NBCUniversal will commission a new SLIDERS series on the strength of Montague alone. For this is the moment. The moment of Montague.

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TemporalFlux wrote:

I always had a fascination with Montague:

http://slidersimages.com/1a/1a248.jpg

When not in class, did he accidentally solve murder mysteries?  I bet he did.

This guy always reminds me of Monk (Tony Shalhoub)

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So he is the literal definition of a "Gray Man", the best type of spy that goes unremarked and blends in.

"It's only a matter of time. Were I in your shoes, I would spend my last earthly hours enjoying the world. Of course, if you wish, you can spend them fighting for a lost cause.... But you know that you've lost." -Kane-

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IREACTIONS: "Well. I can imagine Torme *saying* Wade is dead."

CEZ: "You mean he says she's dead, but the plan is to surprise us and have her alive, but we need to wait and watch it?"

IREACTIONS: "I can imagine the show starting with Wade being dead. Then having Wade turn up alive if Sabrina guest-stars."

I got an explaination that can work that doesn't involve Wade being dead. If Sabrina Lloyd is only available to do guest appearances/reccuring roles then you can have it be that she decided not to go sliding with them in the pilot (for some important reason) and then we run into doubles of her throughout the show

When not in class, did he accidentally solve murder mysteries?  I bet he did.

He looks to me like the guy who screwed around most of his life and didn't give school much of a chance but then his 40s came along and he needed to make money so he went to study physics in college. I bet he works at Doppler Computers with Quinn and Wade.

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Well, it was a highly exclusive advanced class for "the brightest of the bright," as Arturo put it. Anyone there had a genius level intellect. Or the paperwork to say so.

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omnimercurial wrote:

So he is the literal definition of a "Gray Man", the best type of spy that goes unremarked and blends in.

Interesting! I used to read THE HARDY BOYS CASEFILES when I was a kid and a recurring character was The Gray Man, a short, balding, nondescript man who seemed to vanish into crowds as an indistinct and near-anonymous figure. He was an agent of a clandestine government agency known only as "The Network," and he appeared to the Hardy Boys either to warn them off a case that involved national security (only for them to get involved anyway) or to assign them to a case of national importance (because when the US government's first in espionage operatives was naturally two teenaged boys).

In fact, the description in the books of The Gray Man / Mr. Gray / Edward Gray / Arthur Gray is strangely close to Montague.

Is Montague not only a Gray Man? Is he The Gray Man?

We shall soon find out.

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Anyone see those star trek fan films?  Jon Povill even wrote and  directed one of them.

I'm starting to think it's time to do a Sliders return "off the books". No use or the title Sliders.  No use of even the character names.  But a script written by Tracy, audio recorded on mp3 recorders on ones phone by our core four all from their homes around the world.  And produced by fans into a 20 to 40 minute audio drama in which the sliders get home.  Universal wouldn't come after it if it was just informally released on sliders social channels.  I think the actors would do it for the fans. I think Tracy woiud consider it as well. 

This assumes of course universal gives Tracy their pass on his discussions with them on a revival series.

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I think that as fans, we have accomplished anything and everything that could possibly be achieved with SLIDERS via unofficial fan works. We don't have fan films, but we have fan scripts and fan novellas which, given our numbers, is very impressive.

At this point, if SLIDERS can't come back officially through Tracy, we don't need to do anything more. We don't own this property and we can only steward it to an extent and we have reached that upper limit and surpassed it by now.

It's really up to Tracy and NBCU at this moment in 2021; our patronage has taken this TV show from 1995 as far as we can without actually having a TV show.

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ireactions wrote:

I think that as fans, we have accomplished anything and everything that could possibly be achieved with SLIDERS via unofficial fan works. We don't have fan films, but we have fan scripts and fan novellas which, given our numbers, is very impressive.

At this point, if SLIDERS can't come back officially through Tracy, we don't need to do anything more. We don't own this property and we can only steward it to an extent and we have reached that upper limit and surpassed it by now.

It's really up to Tracy and NBCU at this moment in 2021; our patronage has taken this TV show from 1995 as far as we can without actually having a TV show.

I don't think we have to do anything more but my sense is all the creatives involved would be up for it.

It took a long time for Tracy to get over the trauma he suffered on the original series and how he was marginalized. But all the cheerleading from fans, from John, Jerry,  cleavant.. I think allowed him to move back into a creative head space around it and push some of these issues aside and feel good about the original sliders core.  I also think JRD coming around and even Sabrina developing some good feelings lately indicative that they appreciate what they achieved, they appreciate each other and they appreciate the fans.

And Jerry would be up for something like that if he knew the doors were closed.   I think they all would want to give the characters and the fans a proper and deserving send off.

So yea it's not so much about what we as fans need to do to create content but I think this time it's about recognizing the feeling that all of the original creatives have and perhaps suggesting an outlet to channel it.

I feel like John, Jerry etc might look the other way and do it on "the low" and Tracy might want to do it because he has always appreciated how fans have stuck with the series to this day.  If universal says no he frankly might feel it's something he can offer (like he almost gave earthprime a story a few years back).

I don't think we need this but if they'd like to do it then it would be cool to do.

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I've seen many of the fan Trek films, and for awhile they were really cool.  However, they had too many awful amateur actors in them working with Koenig or Takei or whoever.  There were a few that were REALLY good that only featured working actors. 

Anyway, Cabby I don't think Tracy has trauma from the original run of the series.  He fought with the network quite a bit, and I think he was often kind of like stuck in a crappy job with idiots for bosses.  Like most Hollywood writer/creators he seems to jump around a lot, in fact he admitted to having given up on projects he should have fought for.  That's kind of been his M.O.  Let's hope this reboot isn't one of them, although he doesn't have much of an alternative should NBCU fully deny his project.  They own it.

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Grizzlor wrote:

Anyway, Cabby I don't think Tracy has trauma from the original run of the series.

I say it for a few reasons but if you've heard him go into details either peckinpaugh stuff, that was really hard for him.  Tracy isn't a type A personality like a lot of showrunners, at least back then, could be. In other words he has less asshole in him, and it didn't always do well with power accumulation or jockeying in those environments.

I think the experience was frustrating for him but once it got to peckinpah and the guardian, that's when it became super personal.

I have heard some more stuff from a former crew member helping shape some of my thoughts here but I want to leave that out.

As far as sliders coming back, I think we all know it's pretty unlikely.  It would be great if peacock took a chance but... well you know.  It's not like 2012 or even 2015.  It's 2021.  I hope to see it but won't get hopes up.

What has been beautiful about the last couple of years has been seeing bitter JRD talk nicely about sliders again.  Ask for fans to help and even emailing the CEO of universal himself. 

It's been nice to see Sabrina positively acknowledge it.  After she went through her own trauma.  I don't think she had good feelings about it for awhile.

It's been nice to see Jerry and his revival attempts.  And seeing him get together with Cleavant again to talk possibilities.

And it's been nice to see Tracy not just look at all the bad stuff but be able to think about the good stuff. 

So in some ways we've had a little revival.  If the group ever sees the probable writing on the wall (that universal won't green light them) i could see them willing to participate in something Tracy has written and put together with no character names or show title... and just released for the fan groups.  Sound effects on an audio drama doesn't take a genius and they can easily record dialogue on a cell phone mp3 player in an hour.  Send a quick email from LA, New Zealand, Africa/Canada. 

We don't need it but if Tracy had someting written or in mind... everyone might as well do it.

Then again maybe the actors would be more by-the-book than I think.

Anyway it's just an idea smile

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I don't know if Grizzlor has interacted with Torme, but RussianCabbie has had at least one lengthy phone call with Torme and if RussianCabbie finds Torme traumatized by Seasons 1 - 3, I'm inclined to take his word for it.

In terms of unofficial works and participation, I find that Torme has a history of ultimately stepping back from such endeavours and I consider it completely understandable. In 2009, Torme began a repeated cycle of events: he would interact with a specific fan, then disappear. He promised EarthPrime.com, over Facebook, a new SLIDERS screenplay, a series finale for SLIDERS. He wrote about one-quarter of an outline (and with a story idea he'd contemplated in 2000). After a few months, Torme deleted his Facebook account and ceased all communication with EarthPrime.

Four years later, in 2013, Torme allowed his number to be purchased/located by a fan whom I shall refer to as "Stephen Jensen" (because the real name is easily searched and identifiable and I don't wish to embarrass anyone). Jensen declared to SLIDERS fans that he was going to get Torme to revive SLIDERS with this phone call. Jensen phoned him and proceeded to blanket Torme in a pitch for a remake of Season 4 in which Wade would be a Kromagg villain and the Colin spy plot and the search for Kromagg Prime and the revelation of the Earth Prime in "Genesis" as a sham would be fulfilled in its entirety. Torme gently explained to Jensen: NBCUniversal holds the rights to SLIDERS, the series creator only owns a small percentage and cannot greenlight a revival.

In addition, Torme said he was unfamiliar with Season 4, didn't know what this search for Kromagg Prime was about, and didn't know the Colin character, nor would he be keen on remaking 1998 episodes in the year 2013. Jensen insisted that a remake of Season 4 would be brilliant and that Torme should do a run of episodes focused on a Kromagg war and produce a remake of "Revelations," blatantly ignoring Torme's explanation that the co-creator alone cannot produce new episodes of SLIDERS.

Torme ended the call by saying that unless Jensen had an agent, Torme could not continue the conversation. Jensen then asked SLIDERS fans to get him an agent to have more phone calls of this nature with Torme, but Torme changed his number.

Can't imagine why.

In 2014, RussianCabbie had his phone call with Torme. RussianCabbie handled it well and listened intensely and did not deluge Torme in fan matters unless they were of actual relevance to Torme. Torme, during this phone call, shared how he lost out on millions of dollars for I AM LEGEND because he'd thrown out his script at an earlier stage of the development process, thinking the movie wouldn't happen, only for his draft to be used as a basis for the eventual movie and with Torme unable to prove his contributions and missing out on payment and credit (aside from being named a co-producer).

RussianCabbie felt that boundaries and politeness did not encourage another phone call and Torme would change his number and become unreachable again.

Why did Torme make repeatedly himself available and then abruptly remove his availability? I don't know for sure, but it's a pattern and I don't find fault with it; it looks to me that SLIDERS will only hold Torme's interest if he is being paid to work on it and that is completely reasonable to me.

I would also speculate that Torme's sudden withdrawals may have also had something to do with the health issues he had around 2016 and up to about 2020. He may have wanted to keep fans out of his personal life and crises; he didn't share these difficulties until describing heart surgery in a 2021 podcast that has gone offline. He lifted that veil on his own terms, but he had and has every right to his privacy.

Why didn't he come through on his EarthPrime project? Tracy Torme is a professional screenwriter and the creator of SLIDERS and it may be inappropriate to expect Torme to write a screenplay for free; yes, he offered, but I don't feel that fans should hold him to that (and we didn't).

If Torme wants to do it and comes through, that's great, but he hasn't before. And really, Torme shouldn't have to engage in labour at his own expense to promote an NBCUniversal property in a fashion that will not see him compensated financially for his time, work and effort while raising the profile of an NBCUniversal copyright that would get them increased exposure and home media sales and streaming figures. If Torme is writing SLIDERS scripts, NBCU needs to pay for them.

In contrast, fans writing fanfic doesn't earn NBCU any money even in a roundabout way.

Realistically, I think it is unlikely you can ever count on getting a screenplay from a professional screenwriter unless you pay them for it; the only free script anyone will ever get out of Torme is I AM LEGEND (and that should never have happened).

For a professional writer, paid screenwriting is always going to come first and fanfic screenwriting and unpaid appearances will likely be a 40th or 50th priority. I think the only way you will really get more SLIDERS stories from Torme is for NBCUniversal to pay him to make them. And if my speculation is true, I think that's fair.

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I think the first couple of seasons were tough for tracy but season 3 and dealing with peckinpah is what was really something that was hard and was the lasting taste he had.

Tracy is indeed very fan friendly... just today he did another episode of "The Prisoner" rewatch with a podcaster on youtube who is a sliders fan.

I also noticed how he said he'd never do a woke version of Sliders or something cookie cutter to chase where hollywood is going.  I don't think he's at a stage in his life where he's driven by money, and I think moreso just interesting things.

He does have a fully written pilot he did for the pitch so maybe if there's not a go, he'll find a way to get it to a sliders fan site, as he's shared some of his other concepts in the past.

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Torme is nice to fans. I'd agree with that.

However, I haven't seen Torme give away his writing for free -- nor would I ask him to, nor would I hold him to his past promises to do so. I don't expect plumbers to fix my pipes unpaid; I don't expect technicians to repair my fridge for a thank you. If Torme's pilot pitch is rejected, I wouldn't expect him to put his pilot script on the internet. It'd be nice of him to do so, it'd be welcome -- but I wouldn't find fault with him preferring to keep it to himself, conceivably to repurpose the ideas in some other project he can sell, etc..

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ireactions wrote:

Torme is nice to fans. I'd agree with that.

However, I haven't seen Torme give away his writing for free -- nor would I ask him to, nor would I hold him to his past promises to do so. I don't expect plumbers to fix my pipes unpaid; I don't expect technicians to repair my fridge for a thank you. If Torme's pilot pitch is rejected, I wouldn't expect him to put his pilot script on the internet. It'd be nice of him to do so, it'd be welcome -- but I wouldn't find fault with him preferring to keep it to himself, conceivably to repurpose the ideas in some other project he can sell, etc..

Agreed.  It's not anything I certainly would expect or think he somehow owes anyone.  What I'm getting at though is I think he might have interest in doing something informal like that under the right circumstances.

But it's something that only really becomes relevant if his talks with universal don't lead to anything.

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Torme's S3 experience was not traumatic, it was stressful due to his father's ill health.  He explained very clearly, he tried meeting with Peckinpah, who blew him off, and then poo-poo'd the show.  Last straw was getting his criticism for The Guardian, so he basically gave up.  It's my opinion, but I never took his recollections as traumatic.  Tracy knows the business well, he knows when something is out of his control and when it's best to just step aside. 

For years, years, he wouldn't divulge what Heat of the Moment script was about, being more angry than anything else.  He's also a professional, and if you hear what he has to say about a certain non-Sliders project that involved potential lawsuits, you'll know that he is not going to be interested in doing anything that might be considered improper. 

Lastly, again, the man wants to work, if this reboot falls through, I'm sure he'll move onto another project.  That's what he does.  It's a cool thought, but honestly unless he were restarting a comic book series or publishing a Sliders novel, something commercially available I myself wouldn't be interested and I think neither would he.

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I agree with Grizzlor about Tracy.

But, I also have to say that prior to the work he's done for the Return/Reboot, he seemed negative about the show and confused why the fans would stick with a show that had "jumped the shark".

But now he seems a lot more positive about the show and the fans commitment to it. To the point that he wanted to voice his appreciation for them. No matter what the outcome of this endeavor maybe.

JWSlider3

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RussianCabbie talked to Torme and thinks Torme had post traumatic slide syndrome. JWSlider3 refutes this and also talked to Torme.

I'm going to split the difference and say that Torme was not eager to revisit an obnoxious, annoying, rage-inducing period of his life in 2014 but is significantly more enthused as of 2020.

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Finally had time to listen to the Torme/Zicree livestream. I only listened to the audio during a two hour drive; I didn't watch the video, instead extracting an MP3 from it. Tracy Torme's thoughts were fascinating, thoughtful, filled with insight and true vision. I am excited to see what he would do with a SLIDERS revival and trust that his reasons for presumably killing off Wade are well-considered (not that I think he would really kill Wade, he'd just have her presumed dead until Sabrina is willing to appear). And I also trust that his purpose in having the Professor absent from the series is a means to address what Davies may or may not be willing or able on a physical level.

I was not impressed with the hosts themselves and it was for the best that Torme and Zicree effectively took over as hosts. I was very impressed with Zicree's patience, tact, gentleness and kindness in multiple areas.

I found it obnoxious that the hosts claimed that Zicree was an "apologist" for STAR TREK DISCOVERY and PICARD as though no sensible person could enjoy those shows. I was impressed at Zicree gently saying that while he reviewed those shows and gave mixed opinions of them, he had no doubt that the creators behind those shows were talented, devoted and that their tastes or approach to the STAR TREK storytelling engine just didn't mesh with his own and that he would never conflate insulting creators with criticizing their product.

I was further impressed by Zicree describing his work on Season 4, touching on how "some producers" were not interested in reaching high standards of art with television and simply concerned with meeting airdates and cared more about quantity of scripts rather than quality; Zicree kindly noted that he worked on 19 of the Season 4 scripts, but confessed that he refused to return for Season 5 because he didn't want to work for Peckinpah anymore but didn't attack Peckinpah beyond that. He was also very generous in describing Bill Dial's talent and historical knowledge when we know from Temporal Flux that Dial loathed Zicree.

There was a point in the livestream where one of the hosts asked an asinine, incoherent, incomprehensible question. He said that he felt SLIDERS had done something unique that he'd never seen in a show before where a theme in one episode, like trains, would then be present in the next episode so that if the story involved a train in one episode, there would be a train in the next and could Torme talk about it? The host specified that he couldn't actually specify an example of this supposedly unique aspect of the show expect to say it wasn't actually a train.

Torme didn't answer the question, either because he was at a loss or because he had connection issues and mercifully never heard it. Zicree spun into it with the trademark Zicree skill; he was sweet, kind and thoughtful in saying that he wasn't sure about "trains," but that shows often had to make use of the same locations and often the same sets across multiple episodes, adjusting them to be different settings even if they were physically the same settings. He discussed the Chandler Hotel, some of his ambitions for using the set, a search for stock footage, and how locations were always something to struggle with on any show and on any budget. Zicree took a nonsensical question and rather than be confrontational or critical, he turned the conversation towards discussing an practical production that he found interesting and he offered great perspective on the matter.

Tracy remarked that he himself had been considered "difficult" during and after SLIDERS; maybe for any future project, SLIDERS or not, Tracy should partner with Zicree and let Zicree do all the talking.

I was deeply touched by Zicree's conduct and will, going forward, try to be as nice as he was here.

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Pneumonia, gahhhhh

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