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Informant wrote:

All true.

In some old school debating situations, they'd force people to change their perspective by having them argue for the side that they don't agree with. I try to do this sometimes. Every so often, I'll even help out the person that I'm arguing with, because they're not making the best argument for their side. It's an interesting exercise, because we don't usually force ourselves to answer the hardest questions about what we believe.

That's a good practice.  I don't think it's the key or anything (because I think blindspots and just different incentives is what causes us to see things so differently) but it's good way of getting people in a different mode of thinking, which can cause them to discover new logic for something.

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Informant wrote:

That's true. I think that the media obviously does treat the two parties differently. Whereas the people who said crazy things about Obama were painted as conspiracy theorist, anything said about Trump is regarded as legitimate news. For example, the birthers. Yeah, I never expected to find out that Obama was born in another country and couldn't be President, but there were legitimate questions to ask about why he wasn't required to show his birth certificate when it was requested (proving eligibility is something that even McCain had to deal with) and why he spent millions of dollars specifically to avoid showing it.

Most likely, it was because it made his detractors look insane, and that worked in his favor.

On Twitter, Erica Durance made a post about the whole "animals" thing. After is was proven to be fake news , she acknowledged that, but pivoted to say more bad things about Trump. So while the facts of the situation were tossed, "points" were still added to the "anti-Trump pile". Does that make sense?
And while this isn't significant on it's own, that pile of hollow hatred keeps growing with more and more instances where facts are thrown away while emotions are retained. I think that contributes to the overall toxic political climate in the media and on social media, whereas a more balanced disagreement/dislike would be more realistic and more productive.


And I've definitely done stuff like this in the past, calling Hillary a psychopath, or joking about "Pinky and McCain" back in the day. Hell, I make jokes about Trump too, because he makes me cringe all the time. But I do try to avoid getting so deep into irrational hatred that I can't find my way back to objective reality. A lot of the people I've seen online are way beyond the point of objective reality, and they react with pure hatred if you try to bring facts into the conversation.

But I guess the riots and lootings have died down, so... That's progress. smile

There's a saying, every villain sees themselves as the hero. And just the same, they see their counterparts (who some view as the 'good' guy) as the villain. 

People have their own rationality, and everyone thinks they are objective.  There's very few people who say, OK, I admit, I don't see the world through an objective lens or things as they actually are. 

In my opinion, some people are beyond reasoning with, and there's no point in trying to have an intellectual debate with them, because they are never going to move from their position, because ultimately, their agenda is going to help them rationalize whatever conclusions they want to arrive at.  Otherwise, the people not in this group need to be able to say things you don't agree with, and even miscommunicate them in an unsophisticated, non-PC way, without being attacked for their initial positions.  There has got to be listening and explaining why both parties feel as they do, because I guarantee you both parties haven't lived an issue the same way and have something to learn from each other.  But you know, there's no point in even engaging with folks who don't listen or say stuff that simply defies logic, or shows they are in a set agenda, and are not going to move anyway.  Because those folks are not gonna likely change, and it's better for people who are open to change to invest their time in any intellectual debate if there's going to be any sort of progress.

But the moment someone says something blasphemous, they really start to lose me.

One of the hard things about this country, and why our discourse is so poor, is because we are beginning in a situation where we have so much diversity, both in populations and the differences between our states, that there are a lot of competing incentives, and someone is going to catch the short end of the stick, no matter what, at least in the short term.  This is why we have so much trouble agreeing on the role of federal vs. state government, imo.  And it is hard to have a productive debate, where someone is going to always lose, given these circumstances.  So things become heated.

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What probably happened is someone in the media who didn't see the actual video and context of the quotes just saw the words in transcript and ran a story with it, because people in the media are under a tremendous amount of pressure to get a lot done in a little amount of time (and making very little money for it).  This sort of thing can happen with a president who has built a legitimate reputation as making ill-conceived remarks.

So the media makes a massive mistake, who don't like him to begin with, and what happens is people who support him, and don't like the media, point to this one instance, latch on it, and weaponize it.  They use it to undermine the credibility of the media, and while their point is true to some degree, they use it to color the situation worse than it is.  Because they, like the media, have an agenda.  And cannot shed their bias, no matter how hard they try.

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I liked Downsizing.  Yea, parts of it didn't really work...at all.  But I liked that it was trying to be different.


On another note, this is impressive:

http://www.newsweek.com/expanse-save-am … ans-934620

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Chris Carter doesn't want the X-Files to end.  Why would he?  It's his universe, his characters.  He may have done other projects in the past but this is really representative of what he is interested in, especially after a fairly long break from it.

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Most people would agree Season 11 was better than Season 10.  But not for business.  It's interesting because from some of the analysis I have seen, what hardcore fans want and like from X-Files -- including comedy stuff -- is not what the casual audience wants and expects.

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um
https://twitter.com/GillianA/status/996050284525834240

Gillian is not changing her mind.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

the silence since the last update is worrisome. hoping for the best.

He retweeted an ad for Bar Rescue (which I didn't realize he was on as a contributor) yesterday.  He might've done it with some down time or it might be required in his contract, but I wouldn't think that he'd be on Twitter, retweeting Bar Rescue, if things were really bad.

So maybe things are better?

I just came here to post that! smile

Got to be a good sign.

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I'm nervous.

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the silence since the last update is worrisome. hoping for the best.

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Please keep his daughter in your thoughts... sad

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very unfortunate. i hope everything turns out ok.

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thanks Grizzlor!  smile

Enjoyed hearing his comments.

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Maybe ask him how much the casts from both shows (or crews) socialized/interacted on the lot or in vancouver.  Or if they were very apart.  I remember the video of Jerry O'Connell shooting hoops on the lot and David and I believe Gillian coming by.

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Sorry, I didn't meant for it to appear as a response directly to you Informant.  Just was a general thought on my part.

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I don't know how anyone around her let it get to this point with Allison -- and perhaps they didn't have control -- but if they didn't, then it's not someone who we can act had no culpability and didn't keep willfully imposing criminal acts.  Like, don't treat her like a little girl if she truly was responsible for these crimes she is being charged with.

Don't act like it was all Reiner and she had no agency.

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haha

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and now quinn just tweeted about it!

https://twitter.com/MrJerryOC/status/987444361259438080

it's surreal to me that this was a topic of conversation a year ago here, and now, wham. national news story.

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jese.

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Doah! sad

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heh!

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I enjoyed these podcasts:  http://xfcast.libsyn.com/season-11-41-l … uggle-iv-0

http://xfcast.libsyn.com/season-11-40-c … truggle-iv

Not that the criticism hasn't been valid, but it's very supportive of the finale.  I liked some of the discussion of the perception of casual fans vs. the online ones as well.  I wonder how much FOX thinks of this, and Carter.

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FYI -- BBC America is airing a X-Files 3-day 72-episode marathon, which started earlier today.

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I've seen Leah's show, yea.  I understand that whole thing.  This?  Not so much.

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i find it all extraordinary confusing. without putting a lot of time in to try to understand.

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Informant wrote:

Star Trek did that too. It took fans a while to realize that Picard wasn't there to replace Kirk, but once people caught on, they enjoyed it.

Good point.

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One thing you have to give George Lucas credit for: when he brought back Star Wars he was doing so to introduce it to an entirely new generation.  And it is highly commercially robust today as a result of that decision.  Something like X-Files is clearly not being brought back with the idea of folding those younger than even 30 into the mix.  And so it's audience keeps dwindling, especially as older fans move on from deep, serial drama.

If X-Files was rebooted, you could try to make it palatable for a younger generation.  But then someone would complain.  As they did when Lucas brought back Star Wars.

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Generally speaking, it seemed like a large portion of fans liked it, but those that didn't -- including likely Gillian -- were disappointed in how Scully moves on from William so easily.  Gillian is a mother, I don't think she bought it.  And many fans were super attached to that boy.

It didn't bother me, but I definitely am not the hardcore female audience of this show.  It's a valid perspective, one that I don't think Chris Carter understands.  It's not clear who the show should be trying to appeal to.  I just love it either way.

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well.

https://twitter.com/GillianA/status/977221356893941760

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and X-Files is still f'en going! 

or maybe not.

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March 22, 1995, our beloved show debuted.

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loved the finale!

(agree on david, gillian imo has been better, but that's over now).

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Torme & James Fox's UFO documentary 701 has a bit of an ETA as to when it's expected it will be shopped to buyers.  Fox estimates another year and a half of editing, then they will look for distributors.

He recently visited Australia, here is a talk he gave in which he explains when he first got called by Tracy to collaborate.
https://youtu.be/Zd4DqH5xCNI?t=7054

I didn't watch the video through but he mentions the project has picked up steam lately.  I am not sure if Tracy is still contributing in the process as I know at one point the intention was to make the project half documentary / half scripted feature but the scripted part ended up not happening, I believe.

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Casting is super duper hard for younger agents.  But if you can do it, you have a shot.

There is something like 300-400 scripted series on tv nowadays, far less than when David and Gillian were cast, so getting top talent is a bigger challenge.  Though it looks like the X-Files budget is pretty high. I'm really impressed with the amount of locations, etc, they have had in recent episodes.

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Congratulations man!!!

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I've enjoyed this season.  Not having much in the way of season arcs has been felt but I think there's been a lot of creativity.

I know Gillian is done but I think they should have her as a non-field agent in the future.  Skinner type.  Assuming the ratings are good enough for FOX to want to spend the required budget of this series.

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thanks Ian!

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Anyone paying attention to the new Stargate launch?

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Informant wrote:

Keep in mind, the streaming option is becoming more and more popular all the time. The normal ratings hardly seem relevant anymore. (and I say this as someone who fully understands why the ratings should drop like a rock)

Oh yea, I fully understand that. I'm really just looking at it compared to the new norm. That said, I'm sure the DVR is pretty decent for the show. Here's the live ratings:

https://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/x-fi … ni-series/

https://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/fox- … n-ratings/

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That's true, in the 90s there wasn't so much room for niche stuff.  At least compared to now.  But yea, Supernatural would be a good model.  Though hard to complain with 11 seasons.  And hopefully more.  That said, it seems like a lot of the public has dropped off of X Files for whatever season.  Season 10 just didn't appeal to them and I guess the premiere episode this year didn't help. It's not doing bad for a show, but for what it is, not impressive.

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So glad to see Chris Carter fighting back on the calls to close out the series just because Gillian is done
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/the-x-file … -anderson/

I'm not sure how FOX will feel though. That's the irony here.  The ratings have been just above average and this show isn't cheap.

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I'm glad someone else here liked the film.  I've never had an experience in the cinema like it, and I'm very confident I never will again.

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Justin Marks also did Rewind for SyFy a few years ago- it didn't go beyond pilot but it was similar to time tunnel, a little sliderish as well.

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I really enjoyed the episode.  The quirky X-Files stuff tends to do it for me -- I think David does that humor especially well, and Gillian provides great contrast.

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They made less mythology this year than MOW. In fact, I think it's 8 MOW, two mythology. That's what people wanted.  I think on balance, fans probably will like this season.  The narrative is a bit different now because a lot of hardcore fans hated the premiere.  But as this season wears on hopefully people will like what it delivers, and want to see if continue. Scully was a special character, so it might not be as great, but I think they can do fine MOW without her, too.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

Well doesn't Disney own it now?  Wouldn't it be up to them if they want to bring it back or not?

Disney bought the movie studio but FOX Network I believe is still separate, as is News Corp.

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ireactions wrote:

... I don't believe.

I don't believe Gillian Anderson. She's repeatedly claimed she was done with THE X-FILES; she said she was done in Season 7, again in Season 8. After I WANT TO BELIEVE, she said she was done with THE X-FILES on TV. She said she was done after Season 10. And now she's saying she's done after Season 11. She's said a variety of things: she wanted to spend more time with her daughter, she wanted to play other roles, she wanted to avoid a TV schedule -- but what she really wants, I think, is to get paid a fair wage.

FOX offered her half of Duchovny's salary for Season 10 which pissed her off. Negotiations for Season 11 were contentious again. I think Anderson is fed up with the studio and the network, but if they start treating her with the respect she's earned, she'll come back.

She just won't come back if she has to battle and demand and pull and howl in order to get the same pay as Duchovny.

I've thought about this a lot myself... but Gillian keeps doubling down, especially at yesterday's event, that I don't think this is a negotiating tactic. The fact that it took them so long to be able to go ahead with a season 11 was a negotiating tactic.

I just wish season 11 wasn't draped in negativity.  People don't like what they have produced (fair).  It's not coming back.  Gillian doesn't want to do it again.  Rather than getting to enjoy the thing while its still alive, everything has become about it's death.

David made a good point yesterday, saying the X Files is essentially a frame.  I agree with that and with so much bad stuff on air, I'd like to see FOX invest in the franchise long term.  With enough trial and error you can find a rhythm and what works. Sometimes invention is messy, and they've had to experience that a bit since bringing it back.  But it can be ironed out.

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I didn't think the episode was perfect but I enjoyed it. But I will never be a big critic of the show, I am just always happy to see it exist.

Now that Gillian has made it clear she's done with Scully, I wonder what you guys think -- would you want to see it continue?  I would, of course, even if it'd be a blow to the content.  There's only one or two other tv shows I care enough to watch live. I love having it back. I think they can find there way if they keep it going but I'm not sure David or Chris would continue.

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Fair enough smile

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I feel similarly, but I also read / listen to what a lot of hardcore X-Files fans say and can't say their hate is unwarranted.  Some just want the mythology to go a certain way (eg less convoluted) others are incredibly offended by how My Struggle III ended.

I thought the episode was entirely rushed from a pacing perspective and wayyyyyy too dense.  It needed another 30 minutes.  It was not good. BUT, I liked the twist at the end. I liked how they referenced an older episode of the X-Files. It gave me a payoff that made the episode overall entertaining.  I was not offended by any of it.  But I respect the position of those who are and can see why.

Either way, I think there may be more too it -- and since they are moving to the MOW stuff until the finale, I think/hope people will be pleased by those stories.  I've seen a couple of good reviews.   As for the finale, I suspect their may be a twist.

I just hate that the narrative has become "Gillian doesn't want to do another X-Files" / "X Files creator says they won't do another season without her" /  "This is the last season for X-Files" etc etc when we basically just are one episode in. Let's enjoy this.  And frankly, X-Files is or has the potential to be one of the shows on TV that we can connect with the characters and have a strong affinity for.  It should not just be thrown away.  Even if Gillian doesn't want to return.  I don't think it has to have her.

I do feel though that David was rough in finding the Mulder character in the first episode.

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Anyone looking forward to Altered Carbon on Netflix?

https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/04/net … de-runner/

It's not Blade Runner but has some of its feel.

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I have a lot of catching up to do on Black Mirror.  If I catch it, I will let you know.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

Does anyone watch Mr. Robot?  It's one of my favorite shows on TV right now - really engrossing stuff.  Wednesday's episode was presented as one long take, and it was spectacular.  I don't think anyone shoots TV exactly like Sam Esmail does.

It's hard to say I "watch it" because its so dense, it really requires one's full attention to viewing it and taking it in.  So I really only watched the first season (binging it) but I've had the last couple of seasons on in the background sometimes while I'm doing other stuff, typically through on demand.  It's just so beautifully shot, I love the "surveillance" feel and the writing is always interesting even if you don't fully know what's going on.

I did have on that episode you mentioned on live though -- it reminded me a bit of the X-Files one they did on the ship. I actually think I recognized one of the locations (assuming this was shot in NY?) http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-135-ea … 42402.html

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

The Orville has been renewed for Season 2.

yep!

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I saw this episode and thought the same thing. It was like an episode of Sliders, and surprisngly, didn't feel that different despite the 2017 production and higher budget.

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Anybody here see it yet?

BR has always been one of my favorite movies, if not the favorite.  I remember watching it on TV as a kid and just being entranced by the world that I saw -- something that was believeable as "real" and yet was so different than our own.  I remember being fascinated by the mix of futuristic, 80s and 40s styles.  It was intoxicating.  I loved the moodyness -- the music, the steady drumbeat of the rain.  I did often find the story to be weak and uninspired.  But of course, Rutger Hauer / Roy Batty saves it at the end.

BR 2049 to me was a monument of a film.  It definitely was built for a BR audience -- not necessarily the general movie goer who may not have had a strong affection for the original.  And as a piece of work intended to honor the original and the audience that was fond of it, I felt they did the impossible.  They lived up to everything a fan could hope for and more.

I give a tremendous amount of credit to Alcon, the production company on that, because they really focused on making a film that would not be a black mark on a title that has such a strong legacy. Had they been focusing on profit only, they would not have given the team all the resources they needed financially to pull of what they did.

That said, the BR audience was never a mass audience. It required you to essentially be a viewer who could watch something to be intoxicated by the visuals.  This is not everyone.  And so this follow up has fallen short at the box office, as the new material was built as a follow up to keep with much of the original.

I think however the film is going to stand the test of time like its predecessor.  And that the audience will keep building for this film.  If there's anyone who has seen the film and/or love the original, I'd love to hear what you think.

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this sort of stuff sickens me so much
https://theintercept.com/2017/09/25/tex … execution/

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Informant wrote:

A lot of the MacGyver stuff was BS though. Just saying.

Fun fact: I can't watch MacGyver anymore! In 2009, I decided to sit down and watch the first episode on Netflix. While watching, I was informed that my father had suffered a severe stroke (which ended up throwing the lives of a few of us into complete chaos, which never ended).

A while later, the initial trauma of that stroke died down and life went on. So we decided to sit down and watch an episode of MacGyver. Good times, right? Except, my father wound up in the hospital again that night (I forget why... Possibly a seizure, which we weren't familiar with at that point).

So, the show is officially considered cursed in my family. Nobody is allowed to watch it at this point.

omg.  get away macgyver!

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RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

btw, it is sad to see dimensionofcontinuity.com is no longer with us..

Unfortunately, this is still the case..

Now it's completely offline.  Hope the great TF (http://sliders.tv/bboard/viewtopic.php?id=121) brings it back.

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TemporalFlux wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

I was just looking at the IMDB. The rating is decent, but I also noticed it was created by Danny Bilson (I think that's rachel bilson's dad).

Ha!  And his father was a director best known for work on the Get Smart tv series (for which he won an Emmy).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Bilson

On a side note, Bilson and DeMeo also wrote a six issue arc of the Flash comic in 2006:

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/The_Flash:_Lig … n_a_Bottle

It passed the mantle of Flash to Barry's grandson Bart Allen after Wally disappeared during Infinite Crisis; and the story featured Tina McGee from the 90's show.  In the arc following Bilson's, Bart was beaten to death by the Rogues, and Wally returned as the Flash.


Cool.   Bilson has also done a lot of video game stuff.