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Grizzlor wrote:
intangirble wrote:

I feel like Sabrina would do it if everybody else did it. But I think it would take the combined pull of her three co-stars and Tracy.

Hey, it's good timing, too: the X Files is doing an original-cast reboot, why not Sliders? Even if it was only a mini-series.

She's completely retired from acting and lives in Uganda, Africa.

Well, she did return to LA in 2012 and appeared in an independent film.

I can't see her being involved in a series unless she's done with living abroad (her husband works for the U.N.) but I could definitely see her returning for a few weeks to shoot something for a movie or mini-series if the gang was all back.

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Grizzlor wrote:

Yeah an email through the forum probably would have caught my attention.  100% appreciate it though, and I usually check in every few weeks but I've been crazy busy and much of my web surfing has lapsed!  Painful miss because his other limited engagements have been on the west coast lately.

Next time I'll be sure to use the email forum function. Wish I knew you'd be absent.

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I don't think everyone here is accounting for the strong bias in the marketplace (by that i mean networks and network executives) against sliders.  It's later seasons had some terrible, cheap 90s tv.  Networks are trying to do adult sophisticated, smart nowadays.  The show has a tainted legacy. They're up against some challenges in getting someone to take it on, though I do think it's possible, and they'd have to have the right pitch / approach.

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Grizzlor wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

Performing in Princeton, NJ through Feb. 7

http://articles.philly.com/2016-01-20/e … wining-boy

For those who have access to NYC, it is fairly easy to get to Princeton campus from Penn Station.

UGHHHHHHH.  That's what I get for not checking the forum in months.  Damn, missed it.  I definitely would have made a trip.

I actually mostly posted it for you. I didn't realize you didnt hit the forum that often.

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It's interesting: in the last couple of years, JRD, Cleavant Derricks, Jerry and Torme all have publicly commented in interviews regarding their thoughts on a Sliders revival. Only Sabrina, living abroad, has not said anything on record.

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Loved it. I only wish they got the 10 episodes fox originally wanted.  6 was too tight. They needed 8 minimally.

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Jim_Hall wrote:

He talks about how Sliders was the single biggest missed opportunity in his life and that Sliders could be revived. The scripts were mostly gibberish: http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/news/ … f-my-life/


Thanks for posting!

He obviously wanted the show to be way more scientific and alt-history like. It just makes me wonder to what degree he appreciated that they did in season 1 and 2, and what he thought of Torme and Weiss' direction of having heart, charm, satire, quirkness to the show.  It did not go in a serious direction much of the time.

Not only that, how would he feel about returning to a show where Torme was the writer? He would be stupid not to. Clearly, Sliders could have been more serious, science based and alt-history like but it also worked very well the way it was implemented - and the creators weren't pure sci-fi guys, both had comedy backgrounds.

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RewatchPodcast wrote:

Wow, getting a bit teary eyed thinking about wrapping up our Sliders discussions! You guys have been so great and we couldn't ask for a better group of listeners who love the show as much (or even more) as us. Well, here is episode 39 in which we discuss "The Return of Maggie Beckett" and "Easy Sliders." http://rewatchpodcast.podomatic.com/ent … 1_15-08_00

It would be great if you did some interviews with people involved in the show.  Writers, producers, actors, etc. Comics folks.

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ireactions wrote:

Okay, I added "gobsmacked" back in.

In other news, I have sent Sliders Rewatch all the deleted scenes and trivia for Season 5 now -- just hit send on an E-mail containing all the notes for "To Catch a Slider," "Dust," "Eye of the Storm," "The Seer," the feature film (never made), and the 2009 series finale outlined by Tracy Torme (never made). While I know a lot about SLIDERS thanks to Temporal Flux, I know far, far less about LOIS AND CLARK, so I suspect this marks the conclusion of my contributions to the Rewatch Podcast unless they want a guest. Looking forward to hearing what they do next!


Your Sliderscast "episode" was so great, I hope we get more of those from you.


The Rewatch guys have done an incredible job. And thankfully, Sliderscast is back again and are terrific as well.

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ireactions wrote:

Hi, guys. Courtesy of the Sci-Fi Channel, EP.COM has added 16 items to the Article Archive. Included are in-depth interviews with Jerry, Charlie, Cleavant, Sabrina and Kari. Sabrina reacts to the breeding camp, Kari explains why she was so awful to Sabrina and Charlie shares how he got started in acting.

http://earthprime.com/articles/new-arti … i-archives

In 2005, after SLIDERS was put out of our misery, the Sci-Fi Channel was clearing out its offices of unneeded items and quite inexplicably had press files containing every SLIDERS article they could find. Also inexplicably, they boxed up their files and shipped them to Matt Hutaff of EarthPrime.com because he, I dunno, asked nicely. Matt figured he'd get his assistant to scan and retype anything of value.

Ten years later, Matt, still without an assistant, was forced to consider that he had vastly overestimated his future success. However, with The Box taking up valuable space in his garage, Matt realized it was time to ship The Box to a trusted ally who would happily sort through the contents, categorize the clippings, press releases, internal documents, memos, letters and painstakingly retype every single article of value.

Since there was no one like that, he sent it to me some time before Christmas. I sped-read through the contents of The Box and selected 16 items worth sharing -- in-depth interviews with cast and crew and the odd editorial regarding the show. However, I sure as hell wasn't going to be retyping all that.

I ran the pages through a scanner, created a PDF and ran the documents through Adobe Acrobat's optical character recognition software. The results were unreadable gibberish, likely due to many of the articles being faded and low-res photocopies.

Every few days, I'd run the file through another OCR program, continuing to do this for about a month. This weekend, I finally found ABBYY Finereader, which was accurate enough to require only minor corrections here and there before posting. So hurrah!

What stood out to me was how journalist David Martindale seemed to write a lot of SLIDERS articles and interview Sabrina and Kari. It'd be neat to compare notes with him someday and ask if Sabrina or Kari ever had anything off the record to share.

Terrific, thanks!!

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:
Informant wrote:

Of course they should have the all-star writers come back, but it could also be interesting to see episodes written and directed by people who actually grew up with the show. They could play up the aspects that they loved the most and tell stories from a perspective that I don't know that the original writers possibly could.

I'm sure I've said this before, but long-running series have benefited from this immensely in the past.  The two best examples that I'm aware of are SNL and the Simpsons.  Both were able to have renaissances once the kids/teens that grew up watching the show get old enough to write it themselves.  SNL had a revival in the late 80s/early 90s when people who grew up with the late 70s gang.  Same thing with the Simpsons, as episodes became more about the thing that people loved when the show was new.  A lot of people say the Simpsons sucks now, but they're mostly talking about a similar lull that SNL had in the early/mid 80s.  I've watched the last 3-4 seasons pretty religiously, and the show still is able to hit pretty high notes these days.  It was also harder to notice as much of a dropoff when the whole "Every Simpsons Ever" happened on FXX.

A Sliders revival pretty much needs this if were to come back in some form. Someone with at some influence in the industry who grew up loving it and wants to bring it back.

Unfortunately, the most influential person I've been able to find is comic book artist/writer Judd Winick, who is busy and probably wouldn't be a good fit given his artistic style.

So I am not sure that person exists.

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ireactions wrote:

The problem with Darin Morgan is that he is, by his own admission, a slow writer. The only reason he was able to contribute a script to the Revival: "Were Monster" was originally an unfilmed script for the NIGHT STALKER reboot that was bought shortly before the show got cancelled. Morgan was able to rewrite his existing story for the Revival.

I think he could be a great story editor, but he apparently got burnt out on THE X-FILES after two seasons and he only lasted eleven episodes on FRINGE in a similar role.

Clearly a man meant for film.


Interesting. To his credit, even if he can't be prolific, he certainly has established a legacy with a couple of his X Files contributions (Clyde Bruckman and this).

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Wouldn't Torme and Darin Morgan have a lot of potential as collaborators?

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I think it would be hard to turn a profit as well. If it's $15k to produce a comic of adequete quality, then you'd have to sell like 5k copies to cover (a bit more due to affiliate fees to the ecommerce platforms).

Out of the gate, it would be very hard to get 5k. Maybe you can get 500 to 1000 readers if you are very lucky. So as a property, it's not really providing any initial return, making it less attractive.

That said, I would encourage folks to email comics@lionforge.com and suggest to them Sliders. I think they would be the best bet. They've done a number of old tv franchises (not sure how its turned out), and they have the benefit of a little more access to capital then most startup comic shops would.

The founder, Dave Steward, would have to be a fan of Sliders, and I am not sure that's the case given it wasn't among the properties they originally brought back.

ireactions wrote:

Well, that's up to you. I certainly won't stand in the way. But they did a PRISONER adaptation where they found a completely charmless performer to play Patrick McGoohan's suave, forceful, aloof, outraged, gallant Number Six. They don't seem to be very good at casting. The Alice Drake character was supposed to be an English spy and should sound like Emma Thompson speaking perfect English. For some reason, they cast someone with truly peculiar pronunciation and a hesitant line delivery that gives the impression she doesn't know the language.

I think Tom and Cory's impressions are fine as comedy spoofs, but impressions don't really lend themselves to drama.

I've only listened to the X Files stuff, about an hour of it. They don't use actual X Files characters, they play within the universe. I was very impressed by the quality of production, considering its completely a volunteer-based effort.

Casting some of the Sliders characters could be tough, but given that we presumably won't be getting any audio-visual material out of the franchise going forward, I certainly would like to see someone take a crack at it. If it ends up being really bad, I figure nothing is lost.

ireactions wrote:

I would never stop anyone from doing an audio adaptation of SLIDERS REBORN, but I also wouldn't encourage them. I've heard their PRISONER audioplay and it's terrible, completely failing to capture the charm of the lead character's performance. I think having impressionists perform SLIDERS REBORN is completely self-defeating; the point of the REBORN scripts is that they are pastiches of the actors.

The reason the scripts are lengthier than one would expect: the scripts don't just contain the dialogue. They contain all the acting as well. The body language. The physical behaviour. These are imagination-fuelled simulations of Jerry, Sabrina, Cleavant and John -- so that when you read it, you can hear those actors in your head as opposed to impressionists.

I don't think SLIDERS REBORN is really suited to anything other than it's current format. It's a media tie-in novel that uses screenplay format.

Anyway. I also wouldn't submit anything that isn't done. SLIDERS REBORN will finish in 2016, though. The Rewatch Podcast boys can confirm that I just sent them a beat sheet for the final installment -- it's just lacking in details I want to add in before scripting in full.


Would you mind if I submitted Sliders 2013 to them for consideration?

I know you weren't happy with it but myself and everyone I shared it with loved it.

I'd like to suggest submitting Sliders 2013 or the Sliders Reborn series to these guys:

http://brokensea.com/?page_id=2

They've done fan fic audio dramas for the Dr. Who and X Files franchises before and the production quality I've heard is really professional. I bet Tom and Corey might even be able to provide some assistance if something were to come to fruition.

Submissions:

http://brokensea.com/?page_id=124

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Performing in Princeton, NJ through Feb. 7

http://articles.philly.com/2016-01-20/e … wining-boy

For those who have access to NYC, it is fairly easy to get to Princeton campus from Penn Station.

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The strong ratings were great to see. I really enjoyed the episode. It wasn't perfect, and I think they had to cram in a lot, but it more or less hit the spot and delivered on what I think the majority of the public was hoping for.

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Sliders fans might enjoy this:

http://www.magnetreleasing.com/synchron … 3-79453849

It's on-demand now. I haven't seen it but the trailer looks interesting.

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Sliderscast is back!

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I've actually started a season 4 rewatch thanks to the rewatch podcast.  It's interesting revisiting the stuff... most of the time when I go and rewatch episodes its from season 1 & 2, and occasionally 3.

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Poked around EP a bit, didn't see any problems.

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Pretty interesting:

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/12/a … form-keys/

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Thanks guys. 

Matt, I'll definitely poke around EP.com to see everything looks good as soon as I get a chance.

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RewatchPodcast wrote:

First Sliders episode of the year is in the feed now! We discuss "My Brother's Keeper" and "The Chasm"

http://rewatchpodcast.podomatic.com/ent … 3_51-08_00

Terrific!

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Premieres Tuesday, Jan 5 at 10/9c

reviews / primer:

http://gazette.com/tv-review-mtvs-the-s … le/1567022

http://gazette.com/no-kidding-he-takes- … le/1567042

http://www.tv.com/shows/the-shannara-ch … 184538259/

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Transmodiar wrote:

To be more specific, the site was "switched off" by my host because it was getting an erratic amount of resource usage. I cannot even access the folder containing all the themes/media to download it.

Once I do, I will transfer the site to the new host and cut the cord on the old one. Scrambling to migrate your entire digital presence from one place to the next is a GOOD way to ring in the new year! sad

Thanks for everything you do with the site.

While I have you, can I ask, at one point I believe the comics were all available for download. 

https://web.archive.org/web/20110903064 … omics.html

On the current site, it lists each of the comics available for download in CBR format, but only some of them are actually linked.  Was that intentional on your part, or were you not aware?

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Anyone else getting an error on EP.com?


Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.
Server unable to read htaccess file, denying access to be safe

Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Apache/2.4.16 (Unix) OpenSSL/0.9.8e-fips-rhel5 mod_bwlimited/1.4 mod_fcgid/2.3.9 Server at www.earthprime.com Port 80

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Let's say Sliders came back, and Torme was involved.  Given that he didnt even watch all of season 3 let alone 4 & 5, I can't see him worrying about the details of tying up loose ends... I think he'd have a mechanism that undid all the damage of later seasons.  It became a different franchise midway through the third season. What was broadcast from that point on would not be the type of show that would get revived.

I would like to see Jerry take the lead on pitching a revival but from Slidecage's interview with him, he seems to be deferring on the show's creator to bring it back or let it lie dormant.

In my opinion a good, realistic way to bring it back (short of the principals doing so) would be as a book series primarily utilizing some or all of the original characters, along with some scripts worthy of audio-dramas in which actors would imitate the original actor's voices.

With books, the biggest issue is the market. In that form, you'd have to create a new generation of sliders fans (e.g. young adults).

I would love, love, love to see a kickstarter around a producing a teleplay for a well-done script though. With a script in place, the production costs would be in the $3-10k range - a realistic campaign goal that could be achieved.

I would also LOVE for Sliders to get some books similar to these:

http://www.amazon.com/Future-Noir-Makin … 0061053147

http://www.hassleinbooks.com/pages/book … meline.php

http://www.hassleinbooks.com/pages/book_bttfLexicon.php

http://www.hassleinbooks.com/pages/book_lostWho.php

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/timelin … 0615253923

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/from-al … 1453838921


There's certainly been some very capable writers in the community who would do a great job at creating books in this vein (not to mention there's already great material websites have that would be great in book form).  The biggest issue would be there wouldn't be a lot of sales for books like these since Sliders doesn't have the following these other properties have.

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ireactions wrote:

Why Brad Meltzer?

Temporal Flux once told me that while he favoured Mike Judge, he felt anyone could do at least one great SLIDERS story because the concept allowed any story to be a SLIDERS story and the characters were such idiosyncratic archetypes that any writer could do their own interpretation of Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo. If the story didn't work or messed with the characters too much, it could be an alternate group of sliders.

To that end, I would like a lot of writers to do SLIDERS stories: Grant Morrison (crazy science fiction ideas), Warren Ellis (crazy technology ideas), David Shore (science detective stories), Steven Moffat (fairy tale adventure), Dan Harmon (comedy), Richard Curtis (romantic comedy), David Lynch (surrealism), Jonathan Nolan (espionage) and Greg Berlanti (superhero). I'd also like Temporal Flux (alternate history comedy), Nigel Mitchell (absurdist science fiction), Matt Hutaff (thriller) and Mike Truman (alternate history sci-fi).

**

Chaser9 and I have both written version upon version upon version of the post-"Seer" adventures, both of us have made our bids at canonicity. I think both Chaser9 and I love what we did and enjoy(ed) doing it -- but we produced material akin to STAR WARS novels, STAR TREK comic books and DOCTOR WHO audioplays. We were and are making stuff for the people who would read a SLIDERS message board.

But for TV and film, a revival must be -- must be -- entry level. The great appeal of SLIDERS, to me, is that it was fundamentally welcoming; this is the world they're exploring this week, next week, it's a new one. All this stuff about defeating the Kromaggs and splitting the Quinns doesn't speak to SLIDERS' appeal at all. It totally misses the point of the series and that's me speaking as someone who thinks Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo are what make it special. There are better ways to get those four back onscreen than some absurd Season 6 premiere that would only confuse and alienate.

**

There was a guy on the old version of this forum awhile back -- his posts are no longer available and I've no wish to embarrass him, so I'll simply refer to him as Jensen. Jensen somehow got Tracy Torme's phone number. He posted on this board, declaring that he would call Tracy and bring about a SLIDERS revival.

He then posted again to say he'd talked to Tracy and urged Tracy to do a remake of Season 4 where the Kromaggs have invaded Earth Prime and the sliders set off to find a superweapon and Wade has been kidnapped by the Kromaggs and then she joins the Kromaggs and becomes the villain of Season 4 and then it's revealed that the Kromagg invasion was a fake and also, the Kromaggs in Season 4 look different from the ones in Invasion because oh God kill me now.

Tracy Torme hasn't even seen Season 4, so this insane pitch must have been absolutely nonsensical to him. Tracy eventually cut off what must have been a terrifying conversation by informing Jensen that he'd need to go through an agent to pitch story ideas.

I felt really bad for Tracy that he had to put up with this sort of nonsense on his own time and to do a Season 6 premiere of SLIDERS in 2015 is to create the TV equivalent of this deranged phone call.

**

Honestly, this whole thread makes me feel so awful for destroying the previous SLIDERS 2.0 thread with trying to turn it into a writers' room. The discussions were so interesting. What is Arturo's new backstory for the twenty-first century version of his character? What music would Rembrandt perform in this reboot? Does Quinn still work at Best Buy or do we change that to avoid mimicking CHUCK? How much of a hacker is the new Wade? How do we avoid the Season 1 formula of the sliders having celebrity doubles?

It's my fault. I ripped all the fun out of that thread and now we sit around pondering how to stick Colin and defeat the Kromaggs.

*sigh* I blame myself.

Brad Meltzer has a great grasp on history, as well as adventure and entertainment.  I think he'd help make the show more intellectual while not destroying it in the process.  He actually had a drama on tv called Jack and Bobby, which I think you may have mentioned you've seen.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0410997/

I've only seen a little on youtube myself, the audio-visual quality was terrible, so I couldn't really watch it.

Having a lot of great writers do sliders stories would be cool; but of course it'd have to be a desirable enough franchise to attract them.

In terms of tying up loose ends, and carrying over stories from the last couple of seasons, I can't imagine any sort of tv network willing to program anything geared toward spending all that much time worrying about that sort of stuff. They know there bread and butter is in an audience that is only familiar with the basics of Sliders.  The audience it had on sci-fi network was more of a niche one.  And its been 16 years since then.  But, some small narrative to explain away what happened in the latter seasons as no longer something to be concerned with is fine by me.  Personally, I think the Kromagg stuff played a large part in ruining the show - not that I couldn't still derive enjoyment from it but it got completely away from what made Sliders special.

This to me is what Sliders was all about: http://www.earthprime.com/etcetera/heat-of-the-moment

It's too bad FOX didn't let Torme and Weiss do whatever they wanted.

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RewatchPodcast wrote:

Last episode of the year! We discuss "Data World" and "Way Out West"- http://rewatchpodcast.podomatic.com/ent … 7_47-08_00


Great!!

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I've been thinking recently, if Sliders were to continue, I'd love for Brad Meltzer to be involved (along with Torme and Weiss of course). Not that it would happen.

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Looks like we're back up!

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Earth Prime is down due to an error with the database connection. Hopefully Matt is are just migrating stuff to a new server.

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I think what would work best from a creative perspective would be a tv movie or three-episode miniseries with the old cast or a 18-22 episode per season series mostly filled by new, younger characters.  But I would be happy with anything.

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Cant wait until this comes back.

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Thanks for Remy impression in Episode 25, Cory and Tom!

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ireactions wrote:

Matt's other project was a spin-off web series for SLIDERS, to be done in collaboration with an amateur (but now professional) filmmaker in England. A series of short films with original characters, set in the SLIDERS multiverse in which sliding is now an urban legend.

While a first season of scripts were completed

That sounds very exciting.

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Matt mentioned he was involved in something... is the Lego thing it?

I've long been a proponent of an audio drama as the most feasible method for a fan project (outside of script/fanfic related projects).

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Loved the Sean Connery / Christopher Walken "Instant Impressions" segment in a recent podcast. Very funny stuff!


The podcast is on fire.

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RewatchPodcast wrote:

Hey Rewatchers!

New episode is up now! "California Reich" and "The Dying Fields.' http://rewatchpodcast.podomatic.com/ent … 6_13-08_00


Great, thanks! Can't wait to listen!

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http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/ … cting.html


Plus another one from last month: https://player.fm/series/allegedly-with … y-oconnell

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omnimercurial wrote:

It is coming to the E4 Channel (Channel 28 & 29 is a Plus 1 Channel) on the 8th of December and one of it's cast used to be in the U.K. (original) version of "The Inbetweeners".

Check out the Youtube Trailer below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3-OF6SS … ata_player


Wow, cool.  Good to see another parallel worlds property making it to television.

Not sure what to expect yet but hopefully its interesting.

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RewatchPodcast wrote:

New Rewatch Podcast ep is up. This week we discuss "Slidecage" and "Asylum" http://rewatchpodcast.podomatic.com/ent … 2_12-08_00


cool, thanks!

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sliders5125 wrote:

It did look better than Netflix...it was not remastered, they just put black bars on the left and right of the screen since HUB is an HD network and Sliders was a standard definition show.

Universal took almost 10 years to release all 5 seasons with the finale release being the re-release of Season 1 and season 2 separately(for some reason, I'm guessing Jerry's Funny or Die skit generated some interest or maybe it is doing better on Netflix than I think.)

I'm guessing it sold good enough because  last year they released the complete series on DVD.

It has been said up converting would cost money because of all those glamorous special effects would have to be redone for blu ray

I have been trying to create an HD version of the pilot. What a pain in the ass it has been.  For some reason the speed of the video is having lots of issues. But, it's clear that with some of the tools out there, the quality of the picture can be made much better than the dvd.

ireactions wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

I felt what I read was substantial enough (an hour's worth of screen time if this were a movie) to provide the type of reactions one might solicit in audience testing, for instance. I really don't think he would try to solve every world problem on such a large (infinite) amount of earths but I don't think it matters a great deal to the overall story.

I just re-read "Reunion" and I see nothing that indicates Quinn is trying to save infinite numbers of Earths. Within the script, his attempts to improve situations are confined to his home Earth.

If Quinn Mallory being a force for good is something you find out of character -- that is so incomprehensible to me that I can't see you enjoying any of this project even if you get around to finishing it. I don't understand how that could possibly be a problem; I don't see how (or why) I could possibly address that. That is simply a non-starter for me.

"Killer cyborgs are silly," "Laurel brings about global collective consciousness is silly," "Try to find a more plausible way to get from point A to B" -- "You have crafted set pieces strung together by the flimsiest of machinations that make no sense," "Your continuity references are so thick I have no idea what you're referring to and I've seen the show enough for most" -- "I don't understand how the Season 5 Combine affected events in Season 1" -- those are criticisms from you and Matt and Christian that I can understand.

"Quinn Mallory should not be heroic" -- sorry. We have come to a parting of ways on this project.

You're free to like or dislike however much of REBORN you read, but at present, REBORN is 276 pages. You read 50 of them. I don't see how you can claim scenes need to be cut when you have no way of gauging whether or not they paid off at a later point; I don't see how you can declare Laurel Hills needs to be removed from the story when you don't really know what the story is. The fact that there is no telepathy or war games across San Francisco should tell you the scripts bear little resemblance to the outline I first sent you.

This is not the first time you have spoken badly of my writing. In the past, you have called my writing clumsy and poorly conceived and badly executed. Matt has also regularly noted serious errors and glaring discrepancies and logical failures in my writing. I was always happy to see that, because the criticisms were specific to the material and therefore very helpful as opposed to -- as opposed to whatever the hell this is supposed to be.

I don't see what you could possibly have to say about REBORN beyond the general impression that you're not really into it and probably won't finish it, which is the only fair or reasonable reaction I think any reader could have after reading 50 pages out of 276.


Had I known providing the feedback was going to upset you so much, certainly I would not have done it.  I miscalculated thinking you wanted to hear everything based on just reading your posts in the past.  I wrongly guesstimated, and will be more careful in the future.

My criticisms here are certainly not well-developed arguments. They are simply high-level reactions and expressions of my preferences.

Just for the record though, I certainly never called anything you've done in the past sloppy, poorly conceived or badly executed. I'm a fan of your ability and talent... so that wouldn't come from me.

ireactions wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

I thought after putting in all that time to producing these pieces, the series deserved to be read and commented on by the dedicated members here.

First, I never expected a PDF screenplay series sequel to a TV show cancelled in ignominy and disgrace 15 years previous to have a huge readership beyond the 15 - 20 people who have read it and sent me messages.

That's great to hear. Had I known that I probably wouldn't have provided my criticism then! I thought you mentioned in an other thread that probably only 4-5 people had read Reborn and felt bad about its lack of response (and I was one of the people slacking who had not yet gotten to it, even though I wanted to!).

ireactions wrote:

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RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

My feedback on Quinn's endeavor isn't terribly important but I would say I didn't buy that he would be worrying about condom drops in africa or free global wi-fi or stopping human traffickers.  Quinn never struck me in the show as overly idealistic or concerned with the plight of every human being where I believe he would take all that on. Wade maybe though, heh. I could see Quinn focusing his time on helping worlds obtain break-through technologies they didnt have before that help deal with the largest issues facing humanity. Like Malaria vaccines.

You've lost me on this one. Maybe we have different views of the character, but my vision of Quinn is that he is a moral and social crusader. A nomadic wanderer who battles injustice and is filled with compassion for the weak. He rallied the rebels in "Prince of Wails," he stood with the sick and dying in "Fever," he fought to restore the Constitution in "Time and Again World," he used Gillian but inspired her in "Gillian of the Spirits," he fought the effort to change education into commercials in "Young and Relentless."

Why wouldn't Quinn want the world to have global wifi? "Time and Again World" has him appalled at the idea that people could have knowledge and history withheld from them. "Young and the Relentless" had him believing in the power of education.

Once Quinn made it home in 2001, he had sliding. The power to transport any object to any location he chose. I think that a Quinn who would not be committed to using his power for the benefit of all is a Quinn who has no business being the star of this show. And why wouldn't Quinn be protecting our world? His mom lives here, man. His mom lives here!

The real question is why he hasn't done *more* -- addressed in "Revelation." (Sliding is broken.)

We disagree here, I really don't think he would try to solve every world problem on such a large (infinite) amount of earths but I don't think it matters a great deal to the overall story.

ireactions wrote:

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"Reunion" starts with all the sliders separated and distant. The reason: I have two wishes for the sliders: to know that they made it home and that the 1995 series ended happily, and to see them sliding again. The two are mutually exclusive; sliding, while fun to watch for me, was hellish for them. So I started with 3/4 of the characters retired from sliding. The Laurel Hills character was a plotting necessity; her situation forces the sliders to reluctantly get the band back together and step back into the vortex. 

If you read only 50 pages, then you missed all of this.

There is no way, in my mind, that a Rembrandt in his 60s and an Arturo in his 70s would resume the kind of random sliding that drove the 1995 show. But random sliding is SLIDERS' storytelling engine, so that's where I needed them to end up. If a story requires characters to agree to something they very much don't want to do, the story must construct reasons and situations to justify it. Therefore, REBORN doesn't have the sliders back together until its final pages, and they only start sliding again on its last page. I had to earn it and Laurel was a plotting necessity to make that happen.

As for Quinn's situation -- I don't really know what you're talking about. I do not understand how to apply your comments to my scripts. But on that subject: REBORN has a serious problem at the outset; if Quinn has full control of sliding, then the character is vastly too powerful and impossible to write. However, if after 20 years, Quinn doesn't have full control, then he's incompetent. "Reunion" has Quinn saying he has to be careful with sliding, that he can't make waves, that caution is why he isn't saving the world with slide-tech, and the narrative clearly and unambiguously establishes that he is lying. It's stated outright in the dialogue. All is explained in "Revelation."

If you only read 50 pages, then you missed this as well.

In terms of patterns of feedback, the response to "Reunion" has been uniformly good, the response to "Reminiscence" has been good aside from one area of confusion (fixed). The response to "Revelation" has been more varied -- the main criticism is that the plot is extremely unwieldy and haphazard. Because it's presented entirely in terms of the sliders sitting around talking and the character voices are vivid, it's enjoyable and satisfying as an experience, but troubled and inconsistent as a work of science fiction. It doesn't explore the ideas enough; it's more interested in treating the SLIDERS like sitcom characters where listening to them talk is an end in itself.

Complaints have also been that some "Revelation" scenes are *extremely* long -- although given that REBORN is all about spending time with the characters again, 10 - 15 page scenes of the sliders chattering may not be excessive but instead going above and beyond in giving the readers their reunion.

I would say the most problematic aspect of "Revelation"'s plot is the universal key card that works as a credit card and key with any lock or banking system in any universe. That's ridiculous. At the same time -- Smarter-Quinn is a genius; I don't see how he could function interdimensionally without something like this universal key. I have no idea how it would work; I just know that it's something Smarter-Quinn would have.

The first half of the climax is a long, long, long speech from Smarter-Quinn delivering a massive infodump. But -- it's the voice of Smarter-Quinn, which, to me, is interesting because it's the voice of Smarter-Quinn and a darker pastiche of Jerry O'Connell. Your mileage may vary.

My personal dis-satisfaction with "Revelation" -- the world-building's fine, but there's not enough of the little incidental, minor details of alt-history that Tracy Torme always peppered into his scripts. Tracy's comedic voice is present in the characters; his sense of social satire is not as strongly in evidence.

The most critical complaint with "Revelation," in my view: while all the characters have lively and distinctive voices, Professor Arturo and Wade suffer from the overstuffed plot. While they both have lots of funny moments and neat things to say, they do not have personal goals that are fulfilled by the narrative and it's hard to say who they are as people based on SLIDERS REBORN. Arturo is the wise Professor, Wade is.................................................. funny. But all the characters are funny. I'm going to see if I can't give Wade a good finale in the final script.

I certainly don't think my work is perfect, but I feel like the flaws you point out aren't flaws as much as they are different choices. I chose A. You would choose B.

I hope you will not take this remark harshly given our long friendship, but I firmly believe that good, reasonable criticism is accompanied by specific examples and a proposed solution and not based on a mere 18.12 per cent of the existing material.

Well, I did want to give you some sort of response, as I mentioned before, because I thought after putting in all that time to producing these pieces, the series deserved to be read and commented on by the dedicated members here. The worst thing (in my mind) would be to not read and comment at all.

I'm obviously not giving you feedback that you feel you can use, or is actionable, or is necessarily legitmate... it is good to hear that Reunion has been embraced by those who have given you feedback.

It is true that what I read was a small portion of all the work you produced here, but I felt what I read was substantial enough (an hour's worth of screen time if this were a movie) to provide the type of reactions one might solicit in audience testing, for instance.

But as you said, maybe I just prefer B to A.

ireactions wrote:

Sorry -- I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Whether you like Laurel or don't, I am completely baffled by how anyone could look at REBORN and say she needs to be removed from the story when the original sliders would not reunite if she were not present. I'm finding your criticisms about Quinn's work... unintelligible. I have no idea what you're trying to say.

I'm looking over our E-mails. You read the original outline, where Part 2 is composed entirely of action set-pieces where Maggie and Hurley are killer cyborgs that the sliders fight and Laurel manifests telepathic powers.

You told me that these story elements were implausible and unbelievable and advised that I find more grounded means of advancing through the story. The scripts for REBORN, as posted online, do not contain killer cyborgs or telepathic powers and there are only two fight scenes in Part 2, each one lasting less than a page and both combined to the first third.

You and Matt had a lot to say to me. I agreed with all the problems you guys raised, but I came up with my own solutions to addressing them. A reader in this thread raised problems as well that prompted a rewrite.

I have thought hard on your post and I cannot understand what you're saying at all -- which is so very odd, because I had no difficulty understanding your extremely negative reaction to the first REBORN outline and making changes.

I'm thinking maybe reading only 50 pages isn't enough to offer an opinion -- or at least not one that I can put to use in making revisions.


Well, first of all let me say completing all these scripts was a major accomplishment, and you deserve a congratulations on that.

I'm probably not going to be able to provide the type of feedback that would be useful. At one point as I read this I did try to transfer the script to google docs so I could attempt to just insert strike throughs but the formatting all got messed up.

For me personally, though all original sliders are in every scene, I much wanted it to be them primarily interacting with each other (not so much other characters). And I wanted the reunion to develop more quickly (at the very least with wade, arturo and remmy).  That is just my preference.  My feedback on Quinn's endeavor isn't terribly important but I would say I didn't buy that he would be worrying about condom drops in africa or free global wi-fi or stopping human traffickers.  Quinn never struck me in the show as overly idealistic or concerned with the plight of every human being where I believe he would take all that on. Wade maybe though, heh. I could see Quinn focusing his time on helping worlds obtain break-through technologies they didnt have before that help deal with the largest issues facing humanity. Like Malaria vaccines.

I cant say whether removing Laurel structurally would cause all sorts of problems that would be too difficult to cover but ultimately, as you mentioned you wrote this for your own imagination, and it's more important you satisfy yourself than any one viewer. Moreover, I think patterns of feedback are more important than looking at any one person's feedback.  So I do think my feedback here is my primary notes overall, and you should just tuck them away perhaps for later use or just dump them all together.

I don't think I'll be able to elaborate in a way that is going to be immediately helpful.  And if any of this is contradictory or was left out of my original notes, that is certainly possible. I thought it was important to just give you my thoughts / reaction regardless, and I think since you worked so hard on putting this together, you were deserving of some response to these. I am sorry if the critical feedback isn't given in a way that could be more helpful.

I finally got around to having time to read this.  I read 1 & the first 50 pages of 2 on Saturday. Obviously, I had read a much earlier version of these some time ago.

warning: criticism follows but I think you want to hear something rather than nothing at all sad

This is just my opinion, and I don't really know if some of this was essential for feature-length films, but I think a lot of elements of the script in 2 could have been edited out all together. I wanted the story to move faster. And unfortunately, I really don't like the character of Laurel.

I found the parts that I was engaged was character interaction between the original Sliders.  I suppose Laurel might be necessary but either way, I do think there are a lot of parts that could be condensed.

I do have to say, and maybe I should have mentioned this earlier, but I didn't find Quinn and his operation believeable either. I think a version of it might be.

Not that you want to put the time into this, but I would think about heavily condensing these, cutting out Laurel if she's not necessary, and making Quinn's gig less solving various problems on different earths to more focusing only on big, big ones, especially ones that might be common to many earths. And perhaps with less of him feeling a burden around it but more he does it because he feels an obligation given his power and smarts, and he finds it interesting as well. Sorry if this feedback is late but perhaps the scripts expanded from the time I read them originally.

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ireactions wrote:

I don't disagree, of course. Two of my favourite moments for Rembrandt: his shotgun slinging in "Into the Mystic" and his intimidating the secretary in "Murder Most Foul."

I just think that there is more to being a hero than beating people up. Force and violence are easy. Fists and guns, knives and bombs -- I imagine that there are plenty of potential SLIDERS stories where Quinn would have to use such things. But I would never want to be the default-setting for Quinn. I would never measure a person's worth or competence by how many people he can hurt.

There are times in the series when Quinn's physical inabilities have been nonsensical, most notably in "El Sid" and "The Young and the Relentless." I get that Sid is tough, but it's ludicrous that Quinn is completely unable to defend himself. And Kyle Beck intimidating Quinn and withholding the timer when Quinn is muscled and toned and towers over Kyle -- absurd. I just don't think fighting is particularly interesting as a solution or resolution. Any TV hero can shoot a gun or punch a villain; it's a science hero who can think his way to victory and that's what makes Quinn great.

I'm not saying you can't have Quinn punch and kick and shoot his way out; I'm just saying it doesn't really speak to Quinn Mallory. It's generic. And I don't know how much more you can really showcase Quinn's physicality beyond "As Time Goes By" and "Double Cross."

I found myself thinking about this quite heavily when writing SLIDERS REBORN. Jerry is like Tom Cruise in the MISSION IMPOSSIBLE movies. Tom Cruise is jumping onto planes that are taking off, leaping off rooftops, diving out of skyscrapers, and I imagine Quinn being as superhuman if not moreso. But I found it more important, in the fight scenes here and there, to emphasize how Quinn is skillful rather than how Quinn is strong. When captured by two police officers, he slips out of his handcuffs, handcuffs one to a bikerack and knocks the other one unconscious and proceeds to steal their car -- but it's the police radio that's really useful because it helps him dodge the manhunt. That's how I see it -- the physicality is a component, but it's not the defining trait.

Note: Please don't feel obligated to consider REBORN as supporting evidence in our discussions.

I agree with what you are saying is the essence of the character - and how is something special that can really bring in fans.

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ireactions wrote:

Personally, I think Quinn had gotten as action-oriented as he needed to in "As Time Goes By" and "Double Cross" in his multiple fight scenes and physical confrontations. But I don't really think that the willingness to fight or engage in hand to hand combat or gun battles is a sign of progression; the more meaningful growth would be to see Quinn use his intelligence to bypass the need to threaten or attack others. I think Quinn's maturity as the seasons passed should have been shown in higher levels of responsibility and ability -- not in fighting, but rather with sliding technology.

How would he use his knowledge and scientific skills to better the multiverse? To create interdimensional relationships between worlds? To take on larger-scale problems? I think, had Tracy Torme stayed on the show and brought in Marc Scott Zicree, there would have been more variants on the sliding technology: the slidewave, the slidecage, maybe the Combine and other aspects. "Into the Mystic" touched upon interdimensional economics; Zicree approached interdimensional politics.

I also think that part of Quinn's maturity would have been mentoring new characters; as the show progressed, I think new sliders should have been introduced with the originals serving as teachers to the next wave of sliders.

But, there's no question he would have gotten bolder from his initial character.  You're struggling to survive, he was athletic to begin with, and certainly would have become more of a leader and gained confidence with each "win" he garnered. So I'm simply saying the idea of becoming a bit more action heroish in and of itself isn't necessarily problematic. Just as I would have expected Rembrant to change is well.

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The producers obviously went too far in losing the original Quinn, and Tom talked about this on a recent cast. But I have to say, I do thing some of the more bolder, action hero Quinn was in order. You can imagine how much a person might change in going through what they went through as Sliders. I would imagine it would cause someone like Quinn to become bolder.

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Can someone refresh my memory: when Sliders was airing on the hub, didn't we determine they did something to get it better looking for HD tv?

Also, does anyone know if there's any quality difference in the newest releases of the dvds vs. the original releases?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/game-thro … 46213.html


Talks about Sliders.

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https://uk.news.yahoo.com/evidence-mult … ml#APIkd5i

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Rumors of an x-files spin off, based on a couple of characters introduced in the upcoming "Season 10".
http://tvline.com/2015/11/02/x-files-sp … brose-fox/


Fox bought 244 Degrees Of Freedom, set in a world where robots threaten the human race
http://deadline.com/2015/11/steve-maeda … 201605575/

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Hopefully we get more.