I think pilight is right about what the cast would and wouldn't sign up for.

I get the sense that for Tracy Torme, SLIDERS ceased to exist after "The Guardian" and, fairly or unfairly, he probably won't take the time to learn about Maggie, Colin, Mallory or Diana in order to present those characters at all. That is the realm of a lunatic fanfic writer (hello).

This isn't realistic given the casting situation, but my guess is that Torme's dream vision of SLIDERS in 2021 is a remake of the Pilot updated to the present day. Slider_Quinn21 once suggested something like that (and I'll embellish it with ideas from TF):

Quinn is a 47 year old who lost his passion for science after failing to create anti-gravity; he became a student loan officer and accountant and hated by students and faculty alike; he's in trouble at work because he keeps blowing off his job to sit in on Arturo's lectures longingly.

Wade is a 49 year old manager of Doppler Computers who failed to become a tech entrepreneur and now miserably hawks smartphones. Rembrandt is a music teacher who failed to remain a star of the musical stage and now loathes the 10 year olds to whom he teaches trombone and he wishes he were dead.

The Professor is exactly the same except older, grayer and much more relaxed -- except when he sees Quinn as he loathes Quinn for abandoning science but not leaving the campus. Wade and Quinn are married but possibly not for much longer as Quinn's halfhearted tinkering with the anti-grav machine in the basement blows power to the block and costs them their house insurance and has Wade serving Quinn with divorce papers the next day.

Desperate to save his marriage, Quinn starts to disassemble the coils, but then he has an idea for a last new configuration. He accidentally opens a gateway. In shock, he passes out. When he wakes up, he discovers that (a) Wade is willing to reconcile with him if they'll go into counselling and that he somehow got their house paid off and their insurance situation fixed (b) Quinn has a new job offer from Arturo as a research assistant in applying engineering principles to the Professor's mathematics and (c) his anti-gravity equipment has been reconfigured into a sliding machine.

Quinn starts to wonder if he's losing his mind or memory only to be approached by a familiar stranger. It is Quinn Mallory. Quinn-2 says Quinn's clumsy vortex drew Quinn-2's slide trail to this world. He says he was sorry to see Quinn's life in such a state and thought he'd help him out with the three hours that he had: save his marriage, sell a few patents for him, get him a job he doesn't hate. Quinn-2 explains sliding and says he has been sliding since 1995 and he warns Quinn to be careful with it.

QUINN-2: "The first five years were rough. I lost Wade, Rembrandt and the Professor -- and getting them all back -- it was a miracle."

QUINN: "Who's Rembrandt?"

QUINN-2: "Maybe you'll find out. There are wonders out there, Quinn. But also horrors you can't imagine. It's beautiful. And it's not for the timid."

Quinn-2 leaves Quinn to his new adventures or to stay home. Quinn begins to work on sliding again and inevitably screws up, getting himself, Wade and the Professor lost along with a passing Rembrandt who just happened to be driving by the house, and the adventure begins again?

Maybe. I know it isn't plausible. But this is a place for dreams. :-)

TemporalFlux wrote:

I believe in what Tracy and Bob created.  I believe it has potential that was never realized.  I believe it deserves a second chance.  But that said, I don’t believe it can pick up like it’s 1995 again and be successful.  A lot has changed; and it’s going to take a broader net to capture the largest audience.

But as I stated before, my answer to this puzzle was Sliders: Declassified.

http://freepdfhosting.com/dbc626c123.pdf

And as far as I’m concerned, Tracy can have the idea if it will help him.  I can help further too; but I know how all of this works, and I understand.  We’re a long way from the days of Gene reading blind script submissions.

If DECLASSIFIED became SLIDERS 2021, I'd be a very happy fan. I'd love to meet Chase, Gibbs, Reese and be reunited with Bennish. It would be a joy to hear Reese describe sliding as the pages of a book.

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It's true that the mid-90s is a long time in the past. Would SLIDERS in 2021 with Torme at the helm be dated and out of touch? I personally think he was ahead of the curve in the 90s and the world has either caught up or is slightly behind.

Just for contrast: THE X-FILES revival had the original cast and creator. But despite returning to air in an age of serialization, Carter insisted on 1994 style standalones and refused to rewrite his staff's scripts to have consistent continuity. Mulder and Scully would go from living together as a couple in one episode to amicably separated the next, urgently searching for their son in one week to not mentioning him next week -- the show couldn't even figure out which cars they drove; in one episode, Mulder was taking rideshares while Scully drove the SUV that Mulder had owned a week before. It was alienating for a serialization-familiar audience.

That said -- THE X-FILES is Chris Carter's creation and these were his choices. I find the results baffling, he even recently did a podcast apologizing for the cliffhanger of Season 11 -- but ultimately, he created THE X-FILES and it was his show to make.

I doubt Tracy Torme has the same power as Chris Carter. But if Torme got the same chance as Carter, I'd feel optimistic about a hypothetical SLIDERS revival being up to speed with the times. Torme as a TV writer seemed a decade ahead of the 90s to me. He wanted to present characters who were misfits before or past their prime instead of aspirational magazine models. He wanted running plotlines and recurring guest-stars and returning villains. He wanted gradually evolving characters and regular conversations about how their previous adventures had changed them. He wanted to replace the Professor with an impostor. He wanted to do LOST-style TV before LOST existed.

Even if Torme is still stuck in 1994 as a teleplay writer, he'd just be normal today.

On casting: I'd be disappointed if what ultimately ends any chance of a Tracy Torme led revival/reboot is Torme refusing to recast the original sliders. But -- I fully respect Torme's (supposed) view that the only SLIDERS that he wants to do is SLIDERS with *the* sliders -- and that doing a show about alternate histories with other interdimensional travellers is a job for somebody else.

I'd personally be okay with Ally, Reese, Gibbs and Bennish becoming The Sliders; they have won me over. They wouldn't replace the originals in my heart, but they stand next to them. I'd be okay with a recast quartet of the originals.

I'm getting the (reported) sense that Torme would not be okay with it. I don't agree with that -- but I would accept it and thank him for the effort in trying to bring back the only version of SLIDERS that he wholeheartedly wants to do.

I'd be excited to see new SLIDERS from him. I don't know if the odds are good. I'm sure Jerry and Cleavant are game. But John Rhys-Davies is 76. Sabrina lives in Kenya.

It seems impractical, but even contemplating the possibility stirs something in me. A longing. A curiosity. Jerry O'Connell is 47 years old. Who is Quinn Mallory at age 47? My personal vision of Quinn is influenced by superhero comic books and acts as an attempt to turn into the swerve of Seasons 3 - 5. It's just fanfic. Torme's Quinn would be the *real* Quinn Mallory and the real Quinn never fought dragons and super-intelligent snakes and breeder parasites and intelligent flames. Who is the real Quinn today? Who did he become? What is he doing now?

It may be crazy for Torme to try to find out. But in 2021, it's a gift to be encouraged to think about it.

I'd be thrilled to see new Torme episodes in 2021. I'm happy to hear that Torme is pursuing his vision. And if it leads a confusing 16 episodes that ends on a cliffhanger like THE X-FILES or if it leads to absolutely nothing due to an insistence on casting -- I'd be disappointed. But I respect that SLIDERS is Tracy Torme's show for Torme to pursue in his way or not at all.

"Way Out West," "Roads Taken" and "Revelations" - the endings in HD.
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Charlie O'Connell continues to endear himself to me in "Way Out West." He's not a good actor, but there's something about his resolute, calm, burning fury in his gunfight that just works for me. I adore Colin after this. What is happening here?

I don't understand what's happening in "Roads Taken" at all, I can't explain what's going on, but it introduced bubble universes to SLIDERS which is worthwhile -- and Tom from REWATCH PODCAST wanted to see it in HD along with "Revelations."

"Revelations: It's interesting to see how the upscale just fails -- fails! -- on the closing scene with the greenscreen imagery of the telephone wires rushing past the train. The telephone wires remain jagged and blocky. The algorithm can't identify the fine detail in the frames. This final scene with the background imagery at odds with the foreground -- it's like seeing the fabric of reality tearing away in SLIDERS and it's in the story as well.

The sliders have the means to bypass the slidecage and the coordinates for Kromagg Prime but for some reason don't go until they meet Isaac Clarke.  The sliders go to Michael Mallory but inexplicably don't ask for the superweapon until it comes up incidentally and Mr. Mallory sends them back to Clarke for the weapon. Back and forth. Going nowhere.

Cause and effect has been crumbling in SLIDERS since Season 3, and in this episode, it collapses. There's a hazy quality to the narrative just as a strange blurriness defeats the AI.

But regardless, "Revelations" is Quinn's last appearance on the show, and it makes Tom happy to see it in something resembling HD and I am happy to upconvert it for him.

It's nice of you to say that, but I am sure that if I hadn't converted the "Slide Effects" story into a script, you would have still gotten the story out of the Torme interview in which he gave the plot.

I couldn't understand the specific words you and Agata were saying in your separate interviews, but love is a language unto itself and a love for SLIDERS even moreso.

Thank you.

I've been consistently impressed with LEGO SLIDERS and fascinated by its success and the way it's been such a winner with the actors. I've marvelled to Cez in private about how incredible the response has been and congratulated him on the astonishing feedback.  Cez and Agata tapped into something with LEGO SLIDERS -- and I've been trying to better understand it by re-reading all the episode summaries and reviewing all the photos and going over Cez and Agata's social media feeds and listening to the Sliders.PL radio interview in Polish with Cez and Agata.

https://www.radiotczew.pl/wiadomosci/46 … w-VhprvBQY

I don't speak Polish, but even so, listening to 34 minutes of Cez and Agata's passion and enthusiasm was a delight -- and now, I think I know why LEGO SLIDERS was so successful.

I think LEGO SLIDERS reverberates with love for the show and the actors due to the intricate detail of the figurines. When John Rhys-Davies saw his own visage in Lego, he felt touched and moved that somebody would recreate his likeness in Lego and give his Lego avatar new adventures and new travels and new life and a happy ending. When Jerry O'Connell and Kari Wuhrer saw themselves in Lego, they felt appreciated in seeing how someone would care so much about them and their work to pay tribute to them in such a playful and delicately loving way. When people feel loved and validated, they respond.

Cez had another (another) video request for me at one point; he asked if I could get him the Season 3 credits with the Season 4 music for a total of 10 SLIDERS opening titles. I had to trim a few seconds of the S3 credits at the start to get the sync right, but yes. https://mega.nz/folder/1MshGIpQ#7HRWwPDyATQpLT33sqK-EQ

It did take 4 - 5 minutes of thought and care in Adobe Premiere. It's not as amazing an achievement as writing fanfic that got the attention and approval of the actors. If Torme's revival bid doesn't work out, maybe Cez and Agata could someday lead a LEGO SLIDERS animated film and hire Temporal Flux to write it.

I totally agree with you about Charlie entirely and fully -- but I'm just in a really good mood with SLIDERS right now. It's nice to see everyone again. Colin. Maggie with the Betty Page hair. Cleavant fully shaven. Just now, I caught myself looking forward to watching "Roads Taken" in HD tomorrow and I've never been able to stay awake for the whole thing.

I am, of course, also very excited to get back to Seasons 1 - 2 after getting through the last upscales of Seasons 4 - 5.

I'm sure that if he has something to share and has the time and inclination to do so, he will set it up and announce it in a bold new thread.

**

Torme seeking a SLIDERS revival with the original cast -- obviously, this could easily blow up in his face as studios generally don't want to hire actors who won't commit to 5 - 7 years. They are also not keen on hiring men like Cleavant and John who are near and past their 70s to handle the physical labour of headlining a TV show.

I generally only expect to see this devotion from a crazy, deeply overinvested, highly overzealous and obsessively overcommitted fan... or a creator who may have come through some recent health issues and may be pursuing his dream project like there's no tomorrow because he almost didn't have one?

I really would expect most TV producers to try to get their creation back on the air in whatever format a studio and network would be likely to finance. Torme has apparently chosen another route. It could be incredibly stupid. We may, in time, confer about this and agree that it was the dumbest possible move he could possibly make --

But SLIDERS is Torme's creation. It's Torme's show, it's Torme's mistake to make. If it goes wrong, I'll take the time to be annoyed about it later. But for now, for the moment -- I"m just going to be happy that Torme loves his show and his characters.

I'm going to be touched that he would like to show us who Quinn and Wade would be in their late 40s in an age of near-instant data transmission and cloud computing. Who Rembrandt would be in his 60s amidst iTunes and Spotify. Who the Professor would be in his 70s as higher education has been commodified more than ever.

I know that it is unlikely and it may not happen. But it's really nice to think about it -- and it'd be good to see them again.

"Lipschitz Live": the ending in HD. Also at Tom's request! He said, quite reasonably, that it was the first appearance of a Colin double and therefore a significant and critical moment in SLIDERS history.
https://mega.nz/folder/5E1WnZxJ#Zgg_4d2jHZTolIin-iSevw

In another odd turn, I watched another Charlie O'Connell centric episode of SLIDERS and I'm not sure what's happened, but I really enjoyed Charlie's performance and found Colin highly endearing and full of charm. The performance is technically unpolished and clumsy; Charlie's overly over the top overt efforts to distinguish Colin from Colin-2 are workmanlike. But... there's just something to his screen presence that's so pleasant, so affable, so approachable.

I did watch an episode of FEMME FATALES once where Charlie was playing a sleazy college girl pornographer and he was unpleasant and alienating -- although his performance was solid.

It reminds me of Brent Spiner saying he gets lots of fan mail from people who write to him but seem to be writing to Data and that he understands that because Data is such an accessible personality.

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pilight wrote:

Ireactions overreacting to something is par for the course.  Maybe oreactions would be a more apropos handle. ;-)

I think that's fair. Good one.

Something I wondered recently: is the Maureen Johnson who wrote four excellent SLIDERS novellas THE successful young adult novelist Maureen Johnson?

This is Maureen Johnson's SLIFIC page (archived):
http://web.archive.org/web/200811200217 … hnson.html

This is young adult author Maureen Johnson's young adult novel Wikipedia page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maureen_Johnson

Johnson's SLIDERS novellas are absolutely nothing like SLIDERS as a TV show. Johnson's SLIDERS novellas are actually perfect for SLIDERS. Her stories are extremely dark, alarming, disturbing, sexual, sensuous, violent and frightening -- capturing a vivid sense of what some of the more horrific slides might be like. She also captures the quartet really well, so well that I'm compelled to keep going through the story with them and accept that it's a reasonable and powerful version of SLIDERS and she makes sure to never be too traumatic.

I can't really tell from the writing styles in SLIDERS writer Johnson and YA novelist Johnson if they're the same person, but they're both really good and SLIDERS writer Johnson said she was moving into original work.

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I was eating dinner with my favourite actress over Zoom and I shared with her my theory of why my moral compass crumbled in my youth and wasn't re-assembled until later. "A TV show might explain SOME of that," she told me, "but there was probably a lot of other stuff going on as well."

Nonsense! Also, as we were talking, it occurred to me why, even today, I find the Quinn Mallory character as fascinating as I did in 1995. I was watching the upscale in progress of "The Young and the Relentless" which has a ridiculous scene where Kyle Beck holds the timer hostage from Quinn and Quinn, despite being Jerry O'Connell, doesn't throw Kyle through a wall and take the timer back. The character is occasionally mismatched to the actor and it's interesting because Quinn Mallory is an introvert -- a person consumed with the interiority of his world, with his internal thoughts and calculations -- but he is played by Jerry O'Connell and Jerry O'Connell is an extrovert, a person mostly consumed with exterior action and behaviours.

One of my backburner projects has been to build a website for some of my fanfic and -- part of the problem has been graphics. I occasionally take a break from real work to look for photos of a present day Jerry O'Connell to try to capture who Quinn would be at age 47 -- and it's not easy.

Jerry and Quinn have the same face. But Jerry's in-character expressions, mannerisms, body language and overall demeanor are totally different from his real life persona. When Jerry smiles, he shows all his teeth. His body language is wide, his posture is open.

It is shockingly difficult to find a photo of Jerry O'Connell smiling like Quinn Mallory.

Quinn Mallory's smile is subtle and reserved. He smiles because he's amused by some point he's observed in a highly internal fashion. His posture is guarded and withdrawn, he is quiet and secretive.

And onscreen, there's an interesting effect with an extroverted actor playing an introverted character. When performed correctly, Quinn is low-key and cautious, but there are flashes of Jerry's real world personality. It plays as though Quinn is fundamentally an introvert -- but he has the capacity for abrupt and sudden physical action or external behaviours -- only after internally calculating and considering it.

O'Connell, when in character as Quinn, restrains his physicality until specific moments where he unlocks it -- such as in "Prince of Wails" when he abruptly declares that Arturo is the sliders' prisoner or in "As Time Goes By" when he pretends to cower before Dennis but then swings hard. O'Connell being at odds with his character and controlling his true self except when it's opportune not to -- it actually emphasizes how Quinn is a thinker.

For a long time, I felt that it might be best if SLIDERS didn't return or would be best as an echo in a separate series about parallel universes. My reason for that: I didn't believe Jerry, Sabrina, Cleavant and John could or would return; I expected a studio would want a new cast -- and if the characters were recast, they would effectively be new characters with the same names. Is it really SLIDERS if it's not the original quartet? And if it's new characters who aren't *the* sliders, how is it really SLIDERS?

However, TF presented a few things that made me change my mind and realize I would accept a recasting and new characters (even though that isn't what Torme seems to be pursuing).

Temporal Flux wrote:

For each person, the question comes down to why do you love Sliders?  Is it the characters?  The actors?  The overall concept?  The writing?  Is it the brand? (which includes everything - especially the name).

I think the brand is important because it draws in people.  The fond memory is there labeled as Sliders; and millions of people watched Sliders on Fox.  There is pop culture that can keep it alive in people too (as I’ve noted on this board several times, that little blue vortex still occasionally pops up in shows sending people to other dimensions; and I don’t believe that to be a coincidence).

To give an example of why I feel brand is important, I would cite the original Knight Rider vs Viper.  Both shows feature a man and his super car fighting crime.  Both shows can be considered successful - Viper lasted for four seasons on network and in syndication - Viper made people some money.  But how many of you even remembered Viper until I brought it up now?  I bet you’ve remembered Knight Rider more despite its failed reboots that didn’t respect the brand.

I’m really not interested in some other show that evokes a legally distinct echo of what I’ve loved. It would be extremely hard to capture my heart as a fan; that space is already filled.  I would only be left comparing the pretender to what I loved; and it would likely never live up to that memory.  The same can be true of a total brand reboot; but at least the brand is there to draw you in and give it a chance.

I would note an exception in Orville, though; and I was initially repulsed by the idea.  The only reason I tried it was because of the creators involved, and they didn’t disappoint.

So, what would I like to see with Sliders?  A continuation with new characters that play in the same multiverse as the original series.  It could retain the brand; give the new show room to live and breathe; and leave the door open to occasionally visit the memories as more than a subtle wink.  It would be part of the family and not a stranger at the door.

I would go even farther than that. I would say that the parts of SLIDERS that make it special and worth pursuing aren't just the brand, but legally specific to the brand and cannot be reproduced by a different show about parallel universes.

The concept of being lost in the multiverse trying to find home is so relatable, creating a poignant sense of longing balanced against the joy of exploring a new parallel Earth every week. The plot device of the timer is so perfect as a dramatic ticking clock that's also a prototype assembled in a college kid's basement.

The juxtaposition of two adventurous twentysomethings and two older people in their forties and fifties adds contrast and perspective. The deliberate choice of characters who are civilians heightens the sense of danger and threat. All of this could survive the recasting or new hiring that might be needed to move SLIDERS into 2021 and beyond.

And then, of course, there is the satirical, comedic tone of the show as it pokes fun and societal, political and economical conventions. TF's SLIDERS DECLASSIFIED demonstrated on this is not tethered to Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo; it's in the plotting, dialogue and descriptions and even without the original sliders, TF was able to reproduce the original style.

I am not entirely sure if the brand is tied to the style.

SLIDERS is a truly unique show. It is a very special concept and a very unique brand property. It spoke wonderfully to an audience in 1995 and it could do so again. I really hope that it will be revived.

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Hmm. In all seriousness, I actually am getting my annual psychiatric evaluation this week as well as a CAT scan. I'll forward your post here to my physician, you could be onto something. In the mean time, I agree that we should keep this out of JWSlider3's thread.

Thank you. Be well, write lots of scripts.

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Transmodiar and I had an exchange over in "The Return of Sliders" which ended with him saying, "Bye for now!" I think it would be best if he didn't come back. This is not a ban; I'm not saying that as an administrator. I'm saying that as his friend.

I love Transmodiar. When he became friends with me, it was like when Quinn discovered he had a brother. That hasn't changed, but my brother has crossed a line.

A SLIDERS fan posted on a SLIDERS message board that the SLIDERS creator was pursuing a SLIDERS reboot with the original cast of SLIDERS. As the fans in that thread were touched by the news and hopeful of a revival, Transmodiar declared in that thread that he didn't want SLIDERS to come back and that there could be better shows to fill SLIDERS' place, perhaps his show -- a remark I found ungracious, ungrateful, inappropriate and inconsiderate.

I mock SLIDERS all the time, but to say that it should stay dead when the creator is trying to revive it? That is unprovoked cruelty. Anyone who can't at least respect the fact that people love and miss Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo should not be here.

The reason Transmodiar behaved this way: he has been trying to sell a legally dis-similar series about parallel universes. It'd be hard to sell if SLIDERS itself came back. Transmodiar feels threatened by SLIDERS potential return.

If Transmodiar's reaction to a potential SLIDERS revival is to declare it shouldn't happen and that he doesn't care about SLIDERS himself and that it's not worth his time to update his SLIDERS website anymore -- he could say that to me privately. Or put it in the Writer's Room thread. I see his argument that there should be more to life than servicing tired, old, corporate copyrights. I sympathize with his creative situation.

I don't sympathize with putting those feelings into a SLIDERS thread about a SLIDERS revival.

I was furious with Transmodiar's behaviour, but because we are friends -- and because my niece has told me that my fits of incendiary invective frighten her -- I transmuted my rage into a lengthy standup comedy routine where I 'joked' that I too was upset that STAR WARS was preventing me from selling a legally dis-similar INTERSTELLAR SCUFFLES, that DIE HARD meant I couldn't do LIVE PLIABLY, that ROBOCOP would stop me from selling SYBER SERGEANT, that my pitches for JUNKY STEWSTER, CONDEMNED BY THE KLANG, PSI ARCHIVES, ALABAMA SMITH and PACER: WISCONSIN TROOPER would be curtailed by PUNKY BREWSTER, SAVED BY THE BELL, THE X-FILES, INDIANA JONES and WALKER, TEXAS RANGER and snarked that surely fans of those franchises should simply recognize the brilliance of my knockoff.

I was very angry. I'm still fuming a little.

It is morally and ethically wrong to declare on a SLIDERS message board in a SLIDERS revival news thread that SLIDERS should stay dead when SLIDERS' fans are hoping it will live again. It declares that despite Transmodiar's signature declaring his site to be "Earth Prime | The Definitive Source for Sliders™," he doesn't really care about the show and doesn't even like it; it was just something to mine for connections to Hollywood writers and producers and for his own film and TV career.

Maybe he didn't mean it that way. I sometimes say things with implications I didn't intend. Or maybe he absolutely meant it. It's not a crime to not be a fan of SLIDERS -- even on a SLIDERS message board. But it was a hurtful and insulting declaration when posted it in a space designed for SLIDERS fans to share their hopes for a revival.

I am shocked that he would do that. He was always so very kind to me with SLIDERS REBORN. Since then, I have followed Transmodiar's example fully with other people's projects, treating Temporal Flux's SLIDERS DECLASSIFIED and Cez's LEGO SLIDERS -- and a couple other fanfic writers -- with the same interest and care he showed me.

I see now that Transmodiar pitied me. I am a deeply damaged person, and he saw that helping me with my SLIDERS writing would help me heal. My mental health shortcomings brought out a kindly gentleness in him that he has declined to share with this board.

I'm going to give Transmodiar's project the same consideration he gave mine: he is a very good writer. Transmodiar's writing is to SLIDERS what INDIANA JONES is to JAMES BOND. Indy originated as a legally dis-similar version of Bond that Spielberg and Lucas made their own. Transmodiar claimed that his parallel universe series concept is "superior" to SLIDERS. I have read his scripts and series bible and I can assure you that it is spectacular -- but neither superior nor inferior. SLIDERS and his project use similar tools, but they're not doing the same things.

SLIDERS fans talking about a SLIDERS revival in a SLIDERS revival thread on a SLIDERS message board should not have to bear the brunt of Transmodiar's difficulties in selling a legally dis-similar SLIDERS replacement just as SUPER MARIO fans shouldn't have to listen to me groan about my failure to get FUNGI PLUMBERS off the ground.

Transmodiar and SLIDERS fandom have done a lot for each other and had a great run. I think it'd be best if he didn't come back and left proud and with his head held high. I'm not forbidding him from returning, but he obviously doesn't want to be here any more. He's working on a really terrific project that we would all enjoy and if it gets off the ground, I'll certainly promote it here on his behalf (in the appropriate threads).

And I will gather myself and then I'll once again be happy to support him in all his creative endeavours just as he supported my SLIDERS creative endeavours -- but over Google Hangouts.

Well, that was interesting. In terms of putting people in their places -- let me put myself in mine -- or at least the place I want to be:

JWSlider3, thank you so much. It meant so much to me that you made the call that you did and shared what you have here. Maybe it won't go anywhere, I don't know. But you passing on this message is so important and special. You have assured us that the creator of SLIDERS values and misses the show as much as the fans do. You let us know that he is trying to bring SLIDERS back and that if he can do SLIDERS on his terms, it will be a version of SLIDERS featuring Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo played by Jerry, Sabrina, Cleavant and John. Even if this is yet another attempt that fades away like the others, it is truly validating to know that Tracy Torme still cares about SLIDERS and is deeply loyal to *the* sliders. I am so grateful to you for this beautiful gift you have given to all SLIDERS fans.

In other news, I recently complained in a WALKER, TEXAS RANGER forum that the show should not have been rebooted because it curtailed my efforts to sell a legally distinct derivative analogue I had titled PACER: WISCONSIN TROOPER by taking all my WALKER, TEXAS RANGER fanfics and changing all the names and altering the underlying mythology. I then explained that PACER: WISCONSIN TROOPER was in every way superior to a WALKER, TEXAS RANGER reboot. And I humbly proposed that the forum retitle itself PACER: WISCONSIN TROOPER in recognition of my hypothetical project's obvious supremacy.

I now have a legion of Jared Padalecki fans calling for my head and could be a in a lot of trouble, so I'm not able to give your concerns my undivided focus as I'm trying to upscale SLIDERS while temporarily relocating to a bunker in an undisclosed location.

I will also take some time to protest that new NINJA TURTLES cartoon. RISE OF THE NINJA TURTLES has made my own legally dis-similar project, AIKIDO AARDVARKS unsellable. I shall convey my frustration to NINJA TURTLES fans in a NINJA TURTLES forum and see how that goes.

In another communication, I got in touch with director James Mangold who was hosting a virtual Zoom meeting with various Indiana Jones fans at the time to promote the fifth INDIANA JONES movie.

I told Mangold and all the fans in the meeting that Mangold ought to cease directing INDY5 because it was interfering with my ambitions. You see, I myself had been writing Indiana Jones fanfic during the late 90s and early 2000s and had then spent many years altering my fanfics to replace Indiana Jones with an original character named Alabama Smith which I might not be able to sell if INDIANA JONES 5 were made.

Mangold and his audience were strangely unreceptive, instead asking me: who forced me to spend 10 - 15 years of my life rewriting Indiana Jones fanfic into an legally dis-similar Indiana Jones derivative?  Why did I think it unfair that my derivative might be displaced by the original from which my derivative had been derived? Why was I telling fans of the original from which my derivative had come that my derivative was somehow superior to their original and making such an unprovable assertion? Why was I making such claims to them regarding the superiority of my derivative property in which they had no interest (or even material to review)?

I replied that Indiana Jones was a spent concept and character and that I myself had plenty of Indiana Jones material but had not bothered to update my website, indyfan.com, since 2007 because Indiana Jones was so beneath me as a creator and unworthy of my time and interest and that naturally, I felt that a discussion forum for fans of Indiana Jones was the perfect place to declare my disinterest for the character and to convey how, despite being the person behind indyfan.com, the premier Indiana Jones website online, I don't actually care that much about Indiana Jones and don't even like the character any more and now only view him as a means to promoting my (supposedly) original, legally dis-similar Alabama Smith.

Made a lot of friends that day!

We are done with the HD upscales of the Season of Hell (S3). We are now into the Season of Despair (S4).

As per Tom's request, here are Colin's key scenes from "O Brother Where Art Thou," which has one of the most obnoxious characterizations of Quinn ever: Quinn brings his innocent, naive brother sliding and promptly forgets about him in a hotel bar to flirt with an extra. It's yet another in a long lineup of moments that showed how the Season 4 writers had never held any firm grip on Quinn's character once Marc Scott Zicree left the show.
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It's strange, though -- "O Brother" does present the traditional Quinn-intelligence quite well with the villains outwitted by some improvisational thinking -- except that it's Colin who demonstrates this cleverness, not Quinn Mallory. It shows the writers were perfectly capable of writing Quinn correctly, but for whatever reason did not do so.

In addition, Charlie O'Connell isn't as talentless some would claim: he has a gentle openness and warmth and sweet charisma that Jerry used to bring to the show but stopped around the time he moved into the LA nightclub scene. Charlie is quite good in showing Colin's muted astonishment and interest in a new world and it's bad when Jerry's inexperienced, unequipped nepotism hire brings more of Quinn to the show than the actor who actually plays Quinn. I can see why Colin was popular (especially in audience test screenings pre-Season 5) despite the fan irritation with Charlie. I really must reconsider my frustration with his presence in the SLIDERS mythology.

In other upscaling notes -- I'm watching some of the later upscales in progress. I can report some points of interest with regards to archive footage and doubles:

"Young and the Relentless" had Cleavant and Clinton Derricks-Carroll playing Rembrandt and Rembrandt-2 with Cleavant always taking the role whenever either Rembrandt was the focus of each shot, and with Clinton carefully angled so that any visual discrepancies between the two non-identical twins would seem due to the point of view.

As a child, I remember studying my VHS recording of "Young and the Relentless," staring at the cathode ray tube TV, trying to figure out how two Rembrandts were onscreen together and finding the differences between them small and subtle. However, in high definition on an LCD screen, it's pretty clear that Cleavant is sharing the screen with his non-identical brother no matter what the angle.

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"Requiem": Cory of REWATCH PODCAST said that it was obvious from his slightly upscaled playback of "Requiem" that the body double in the teaser is not Sabrina Lloyd. I'm looking at the HD version frame and it looks like Sabrina Lloyd to me (even though it is, of course, body double Maria Stanton). It looks like a wig on a short haired woman, though.

https://i.ibb.co/Z1hCwcp/Requiem-3-1-50x-960x720-alq-10-mp4-snapshot-01-27-235.jpg

"Eye of the Storm" featured Jerry O'Connell's ghostly image appearing over Robert Floyd's face. It was very hard to see it in standard definition. However, in the upscale, you can see Jerry's face very clearly (and his head is a bit too big to fit on Robert Floyd's neck).

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In continuing with my research, I recently paid visits to the PUNKY BREWSTER, SAVED BY THE BELL and X-FILES forums. I declared that these shows should never have been revived because it deprived me of the chance to introduce the world to my legally dis-similar derivatives, JUNKY STEWSTER, CONDEMNED BY THE KLANG and THE PSI ARCHIVES. I also declared that JUNKY STEWSTER, CONDEMNED BY THE KLANG and THE PSI ARCHIVES were vastly superior to tired copyrights like PUNKY BREWSTER, SAVED BY THE BELL and THE X-FILES.

Shockingly, the response from the fans in those forums were rather condemning, snarling at me that:

(a) These were forums for fans of these shows
(b) These fans were happy about the idea of a long gone series making a return
(c) These fans were interested in discussing the content of a revival of their show, not someone else's hypothetical show.
(d) These fans were not going to be placated by some random on the internet making vague allusions to a similar series that is, for all intents and purposes to a general audience, totally non-existent.
(e) These fans also wondered why someone who only dismissed and disdained their show were even on this forum on the first place.

These fans also informed me that if I wanted to complain about their actual show interfering with my hypothetical show -- perhaps I could discuss it with my mother or my father or my therapist or my wife or, I dunno, start my own thread -- as opposed to inflicting my contempt and disdain upon people sharing their news, happiness and hope about the idea of a revival.

Imagine that.

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I was also really impressed by how the sitcom scenes didn't just apply a filter and crop the image; they actually used period-equipment to film the black and white sequences for their pastiches of THE DICK VAN DYKE SHOW and BEWITCHED.

I also liked how Slider_Quinn21 was at least somewhat correct that we were overfocused on Evan Peters' casting (or at least I was).

On a side note, I went to a STAR WARS online forum and posted a complaint that STAR WARS productions are being made, saying this interfered with my ability to do space opera action stories of my own and conceivably sell a legally dis-similar STAR WARS derivative project called INTERSTELLAR SCUFFLES.

I also went to a DIE HARD message board and complained that a DIE HARD prequel is likely to be made as this would conflict with my intention to sell a screenplay or two about a law enforcement officer trapped in a building filled with heavily armed villains that I'm calling LIVE PLIABLY.

I later went to a ROBOCOP forum and issued a complaint that a potential sequel to ROBOCOP would prevent me from pursuing my own project involving a cybernetically enhanced law enforcement officer called SYBER SERGEANT.

I then went to a SHERLOCK HOLMES forum to demand that the next Robert Downey Jr. adaptation be called off as it would prevent me from selling my own Victorian detective series, SEDGEWICK HALL.

Afterwards, I flew out to Los Angeles and skydived into Kevin Feige's backyard where he was meditating and I told him that under no circumstances was he to produce a YOUNG AVENGERS movie because that could prevent me from conceivably selling my own property called TWEEN ANGST BRIGADE.

Shortly after this, I went across town to visit Ta-Nehisi Coates where I told him that I do not approve of him writing a new SUPERMAN movie because that could conceivably prevent me from selling my own Superman analogue in a project called OMNITHEM. I also informed Coates that if he insists on writing a SUPERMAN movie, he is to stay within a narrow set of parameters laid out by me so as not to curtail my efforts to sell my currently unsold, unproduced project.

During the flight home, I noticed on a SLIDERS message board that there was talk of a reboot or revival and I immediately descended upon the SLIDERS message board to declare that there should be no SLIDERS series because that might interfere with me selling a SLIDERS-derivative series -- or I would have except somebody else had beaten me to it.

On another note...

Cez and I recently had a chat and he has elected to not go forward with the DVD box set contest? Why? He barely got any responses to the T-shirt contest.

I'm sorry to see that. It is likely that the people who enjoyed the Lego and shared the posts did not necessarily read the stories; they just liked the way the Lego illustrated the stories even if they didn't have any context for the scenes -- but it's thanks to Cez that there was something to illustrate and it's his creative direction that sets the parameters for the visuals.

But regardless, LEGO SLIDERS is a success. It's a success because the actors who were in the show enjoyed and supported this fan project, it made a wonderful social media splash, it created some delightful imagery in the format of Lego, and Cez and Agata have accomplished something wonderful -- something I myself could not do. My material had a much smaller audience than LEGO SLIDERS; to date, I only know of 25 people who actually read SLIDERS REBORN.

It doesn't really matter, though. What really matters with this sort of project is producing and completing it. We don't write SLIDERS stories for fame or notoriety or popularity. We write them because Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo are our friends and we want them to get home and Cez gave the sliders a good closing adventure and a happy ending. However many people read the content, however many participated in a contest around that content -- it doesn't matter. What matters is that the content was created that it exists and that it is available.

My only regret is to not give a DVD set to this contest. I made the offer because in many ways, LEGO SLIDERS and SLIDERS REBORN are competitors. And in many ways, LEGO SLIDERS' has dwarfed SLIDERS REBORN. But in recent years, I have made a decision to never be threatened by other people's achievements, but to instead champion and celebrate them, to be inspired by them, and to let their successes show me how to overcome my own shortcomings.

I made this decision when observing that Temporal Flux's SLIDERS DECLASSIFIED was a better SLIDERS story than any I could ever write myself -- and helped him convert it from the comic book plot format into the screenplay format. I made that decision again when I observed that LEGO SLIDERS was getting acclaim from Jerry O'Connell and John Rhys-Davies and offered Cez an additional contest prize.

And out of appreciation for LEGO SLIDERS' success, I am going to give Cez and Agata each a special SLIDERS gift that I won't describe here, but I think they'll be happy with it and I hope they will see that it is to acknowledge their extraordinary contributions to SLIDERS.

Congratulations. You should both be very proud.

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I really liked it too! I was a bit confused as to who Billy and Tommy actually were, however -- but the series hit some strong notes of adjustment and acceptance in its closing scenes. I know who Billy and Tommy are because I am a huge fan of the YOUNG AVENGERS comic book series, but I wonder how that will play out in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. There is a lot that's left open-ended with the Vision's fate and TF has pointed out one clear thread to be followed up on later.

I liked how the series observes that while the Vision may or may not be in 'circulation' again, Wanda's time of rest and respite in Westview must end in order to free the people and in order to conclude an untenable situation of conflict and danger. The quiet acceptance of the inevitable was heartfelt and Elizabeth Olsen played it beautifully.

Still kind of worried about the kids.

I really like this! The original ending strikes me as the one to use. It used the previous story, "Ticking Clock," to have the sliders already having made it home only to leave again. As a result, the series finale could do a short and sweet homecoming where the sliders make it back and are there to stay this time. The presence of the alternative sliders, in my view, clutter the clean, simple clarity of the original, so I'm glad the original was the one that was used.

Having the sliders get home was always a narrative hurdle. The original series faced it with "Post Traumatic Slide Syndrome," daring to ask what would happen after the sliders got home while acknowledging that so long as the series continued, this could never be allowed as that would end the show. "Genesis" attempted to move the goalposts with an alien invasion. SLIDERS REBORN devotes six screenplays to what happens after getting home and creates a San Francisco that's an interdimensional hub so that the sliders remain sliders even after getting home. But Cez identified a solution that is deft, clever, effective and simple -- and Quinn Mallory would be proud of that kind of problem solving.

Transmodiar wrote:

So what you're saying is... we have different opinions? Perish the thought! I thought we were merged at the brain stem, MALLORY-style! :-D

I'd argue that you don't have an opinion on a SLIDERS revival as much as an aversion to a SLIDERS revival in general as well as a distaste for any revival of anything, really.

There's a fair point to that. Why do all these old properties keep getting revived? Because they're owned by massive multinational corporations who would rather perpetuate a brand they own lock, stock and barrel. It's endless regurgitation (oooh, there's a great SLIDERS REBORN title).

However, this is a SLIDERS message board. A SLIDERS fan has shared news of a potential SLIDERS revival led by the co-creator of SLIDERS and one of the original producers of SLIDERS with the aim to reunite the original cast of SLIDERS.

There is a certain absurd arrogance to declaring on a SLIDERS message board that SLIDERS should never return because it would be unwelcome competition for one's own creative projects -- such as in 2019 when JWSlider3 shared an article about John Rhys-Davies looking into a revival, and I talked about how my life since age 12 had been a traumatized reaction to the death of Professor Arturo and I'd finally finished that journey with my fan fiction and didn't want to go through it again -- as though SLIDERS were merely an extension of my own ego.

JWSlider3 replied, "You talk about that and make it sound like your father died! And if that's what it was like, then SLIDERS coming back would be an incredible thing -- wouldn't it?"

Two years later, I would like to change my response to that question. Yes, JWSlider3. If SLIDERS came back with Tracy Torme, Jacob Epstein, Jerry O'Connell, Sabrina Lloyd, Cleavant Derricks and John Rhys-Davies, it would be wonderful. And it wouldn't undo or dismiss anything I've contributed; it would be a validation of my belief that SLIDERS is something special and worth seeing again today. If SLIDERS came back, it would be a dream come true.

Grizzlor wrote:

I am completely on TF's side of the road on this.  You have to start with a modern day story, and at least a partially NEW cast.  In their travels, the story re-introduces Jerry O'Connell's Quinn, and then whoever else signs on.  You can also establish their 25 year backstory/gap in flashbacks as you go.  The goal is to sell this to an audience that likely has never seen nor remembers the original show very well. 

One scenario I guess would be like The Guardian, where you might reboot with a young Quinn and company, who run into the older versions.  I'm not in huge favor of this though it could work.

From JWSlider3's account, Tracy Torme is pursuing a SLIDERS revival with the original cast. Not new characters like STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION. Not recast versions of the originals like STAR TREK (2009). It sounds like he is on Temporal Flux's side -- Temporal Flux of 2000, that is, where TF favoured the idea of soft-rebooting SLIDERS with a Quinn-double who discovers sliding at Jerry O'Connell's present-day age instead of in 1994. I understand the branding logic to that: if you don't have Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo played by Jerry, Sabrina, Cleavant and John, is it really SLIDERS? It might as well be PARALLELS.

But I also understand the logistical difficulties of that: hiring the originals means that any chance of a long, successful year run is curtailed by the age and availability of four specific actors, two of whom will not sign up for five to seven years.

I admit -- I am not enthusiastic about DECLASSIFIED as a revival option conceptually in that when I think of SLIDERS, I think of Jerry, Sabrina, Cleavant and John. However, every time I read DECLASSIFIED, I am experentially won over by the charm, humour, warmth and Temporal Flux's uncanny ability to recapture and extrapolate upon the satire and twisted comedy and eccentric tone and spirit of SLIDERS which, in TF's hands, has absolutely nothing to do with Jerry's gravity, Sabrina's earnest screen presence, Cleavant's comic timing and John's bombast.

DECLASSIFIED argues that SLIDERS is bigger than its actors and it's a winning argument. It doesn't seem to be Torme's argument, however.

Transmodiar wrote:

Well, I wouldn't say that indifference is not exclusively mine - there are plenty of fans of both franchises that have thrown up their hands and walked away. For "Star Wars," it's because it's a derivative mess; for "Star Trek," the spirit of the franchise has been subverted. I guess I'm unique in that I'm not filled with rage at these developments?

I personally have enjoyed all of STAR TREK and STAR WARS in recent years.

Transmodiar wrote:

If Torme has a chance to get another shot with his property - something that VERY rarely comes along - the last thing he should do is impose a specific course of action during a pitch meeting. Demanding the return of Quinn, Arturo, Wade, and Rembrandt, played by the original actors, is bad jojo and could potentially eliminate the series for the fans that want to see it return. It's the very definition of selfish.

Well, I'm a fan of SLIDERS and what I want most is to see Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo as played by Jerry, Sabrina, Cleavant and John. They are the reason I came back to SLIDERS fandom; they are why I wrote six screenplays trying to create an approximation of their performances on paper.

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If someone wants to bring SLIDERS back, these are the faces I want to see. I completely agree that it sounds impractical and unlikely, but I'll assume positive intent and that Torme has a plan of some sort.

I fully concede that Torme's previous plans saw him driven off his own show.

ireactions wrote:

Your work is not better than SLIDERS. No one is going to do a better SLIDERS than SLIDERS. SLIDERS is a simple, beautiful format of conceptual perfection. Quinn Mallory and his friends are lost in the multiverse trying to find their way back home.

Transmodiar wrote:

And yet the majority of the series, as shot, isn't even the SLIDERS you describe. It's hunting a serial killer, finding a superweapon, killing Kromaggs, and splitting Quinn Mallories. The original conceit got lost around episode 40, and there were 47 more episodes after that. How will that get reconciled?

I'm speaking about the SLIDERS brand concept. Four friends lost in the multiverse. It is effective, clear, straightforward, immediate, simple and beautiful. You are never going to beat the crystalline perfection of that brand concept with some legally dis-similar SLIDERS knockoff and in my view, you wisely didn't try and created something of your own. Transmodiar's _____________ is never going to be a better version of SLIDERS. And SLIDERS is never going to be a better version of Transmodiar's _____________.

Transmodiar wrote:

Just have the series start with the original actors who, after living on a parallel earth for 29.7 years, gather to decide whether or not to slide. Maybe Arturo and Quinn have a bead on how to return home after all that time, and they decide to give it a try. And they have a failsafe to return to this world - which, for Quinn and Wade, is more of a home than Earth Prime - in case their explorations fail. And, in the process, they rediscover the love of sliding that prompted their original journey. It's not tough. I just don't think it will drive a big audience.

Anyone disinterested in SLIDERS' potential revival is absolutely free to not engage with it and do some original work that meets their current interests.

I'll just reiterate my personal fondness for Temporal Flux's and Transmodiar's SLIDERS REDUX which I will continue to update every year.

Transmodiar wrote:

The vaguely analogous project you're talking about had traction and a major production company interested in it until "Timeless" was announced. Networks don't like juggling competing premises, even when one is about time travel and the other is about parallel universes.

I'm sorry to hear that, but it wasn't the first story idea you ever had and it certainly doesn't have to be the last. You could always find some other medium for your project if not American serialized television, or you could do something new.

Transmodiar wrote:

Yes, I'm selfish - my concept, to me, is better than Sliders. And it has replaced Sliders as my passion project over the years. But I also think Torme is also selfish, trying to reframe a property that with the same old parts. Even if I didn't have a vaguely analogous project of my own to compete for my affection, I would have a hard time caring about Sliders in 2021. People feel the same way about Star Wars and Star Trek, two IPs with vastly bigger fanbases. I couldn't give two squirts about the sequel trilogy and Paramount's multiple new Trek shows register a shrug. I just don't care. That says as much about me as it does about the name brand, and I don't mind admitting it.

I don't think 'people' are having any trouble caring about STAR TREK and STAR WARS. Your indifference is your own. I suspect it's because you have reached a point many people never do; you are no longer interested in merely consuming content. You want to create your own. You are also expressing dismay for how revivals, reboots and franchises stamp out original creativity in original work -- and that's a very legitimate area of debate.

However, I don't see how Torme is being 'selfish'; he created a series that was mutilated. If he has a chance to bring it back as he sees fit, why shouldn't he try? That said, if he's insistent on rehiring an over the hill and aged leading man, a performer who's mostly doing stagework (until a pandemic hit), a semi-retired English character actor, and an actress who has moved to Kenya and doesn't act anymore -- the odds are not in his favour.

Your work is not better than SLIDERS. No one is going to do a better SLIDERS than SLIDERS. SLIDERS is a simple, beautiful format of conceptual perfection. Quinn Mallory and his friends are lost in the multiverse trying to find their way back home.

Your concept -- which I will not detail -- strikes different notes and has a Transmodiar-brand of simplicity that neither improves upon nor pales in comparison to SLIDERS. They may use some of the same paints and brushes, but they're two very different paintings from two very different people. No one is going to make a better version of Transmodiar's ________________ than Transmodiar's ________________.


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I don't know if it'll happen, but it's wonderful to imagine Jerry, Sabrina, Cleavant and John -- today -- standing in that basement set once again.

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Transmodiar's Worst Nightmare (although it shouldn't be)

I think Transmodiar's disinterest in SLIDERS says more about Transmodiar than it does about SLIDERS. I have made the same mistake myself, conflating my personal feelings about SLIDERS with SLIDERS' worth, value and future.

In pretty much every thread on a reboot or revival, Transmodiar has alluded to how he was/is/will be working on some SLIDERS-esque series; he doesn't want a new version of SLIDERS to compete with his own properties. As Transmodiar's friend and the beneficiary of his generosity and kindness, I sympathize with that and support his endeavour -- but Transmodiar's SLIDERS-adjacent projects really have no bearing what a revived SLIDERS would look like; any SLIDERS fan who wants a revival wants all the aspects of SLIDERS that are under copyright: Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt, Arturo, the timer, random sliding, four civilians thrown together by circumstance to explore a new parallel world every week. That's the brand.

Temporal Flux said that a legally dis-similar SLIDERS-inspired show could possibly be good, but it would never replace SLIDERS for him. I feel the same way too. And for those who don't -- well, as JWSlider3 said, "If you're not interested, don't watch." (Not that there's anything to watch yet.)

Moving on from that -- I agree with Transmodiar when he says that insisting on the return of the original cast is probably a non-starter for any studio. While I am heartened by Tracy Torme's devotion and loyalty to Jerry, Sabrina, Cleavant and John, I don't think it is realistic. SLIDERS is not SAVED BY THE BELL or PUNKY BREWSTER or THE X-FILES, following up on a long and successful legacy. SLIDERS in 2021 can't court only fans; it has to appeal to a general audience and that means starting over. Studios generally don't want to revive a property unless it produces a large amount of content for revenue; how much content could we likely from Jerry, Sabrina, Cleavant and John if Sabrina is retired and John is not keen to do a long run?

I just don't think that Torme's insistence on the original cast is plausible or economically achievable. But I am really touched and moved to hear that it's what Torme cares about most... because when it comes to SLIDERS, that is what I care about most too. Quinn Mallory as played by Jerry O'Connell, Wade Welles as played by Sabrina Lloyd, Rembrandt Brown as played by Cleavant Derricks, and John Rhys-Davies as "Arturo." The second thing I care about most is Temporal Flux's brilliant ideas.

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For a long time, I felt a bit... threatened... by the idea of SLIDERS returning. Because I have a place in SLIDERS history. I wrote the last SLIDERS story. I wrote SLIDERS REBORN which is really SLIDERS: THE END, the final adventure for Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo. So I understand that feeling of not wanting a reboot or a revival -- but I've come to decide that, at least in my case, that is selfish and I have let that go. Regardless of what comes next for SLIDERS, I will always be the writer of SLIDERS' twentieth anniversary special which was the ending that was needed for 2015 - 2016.

And Transmodiar -- his work is good. We would all like it. It is not SLIDERS. I feel -- and Transmodiar doesn't -- that his work would be better if SLIDERS were revived; his property would become *his* property instead of being a SLIDERS-analogue. He will always be the person who created... whatever it is that he's creating that I won't discuss beyond his self-posted vagaries -- whether or not his work exists in the same world as a SLIDERS revival.

And Temporal Flux will always be *the* SLIDERS expert and authority on the series even if he made me take that off the DECLASSIFIED title page. And JWSlider3 will always be a very nice person for sharing all this with us. Thank you for that. It was very kind of you.

What a lovely thing to hear from Torme! Thank you, JWSlider3.

Here's one way to bring back the originals at their current ages without alienating a mainstream audience that may not know the show. Matt calls it "the bastard child of Temporal Flux and Transmodiar."

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Mp1 … sp=sharing

This is interesting, but I'd point out, we've been here many times. Robert K. Weiss, when talking about a SLIDERS feature film in 2000, wasn't making it up; he just couldn't find studio support. This time, it's the other co-creator engaged in talks. But revivals are happening a lot and if even Punky Brewster can return, so can SLIDERS. That said -- what would actually come back?

A number of people have said they don't want a SLIDERS revival and would prefer a new property about parallel universes. But others have made a point that branding matters; SLIDERS is a brand and a legally dis-similar show about parallel universes would never capture SLIDERS' appeal because the things that made SLIDERS special are protected by copyright.

Could a revival, even with Torme and Epstein, be the show we fell in love with in 1995? The cast is a question. To me, SLIDERS is Jerry O'Connell, Sabrina Lloyd, Cleavant Derricks and John Rhys-Davies. SLIDERS in 2021 would, for me, ideally feature these actors playing older versions of their original characters on an Earth where they never went sliding back in 1995 -- where Quinn failed to create anti-gravity and only manages to open the gateway today at an older age, bringing along our three old friends and then losing the way back home.

But would a studio support that? I don't think so. It's true that THE X-FILES and SAVED BY THE BELL and GILMORE GIRLS and PUNKY BREWSTER all brought back the original characters and actors -- but all those shows had become immortalized with those performers. In contrast, SLIDERS would really be starting all over again -- in which case, a studio would likely want Quinn and Wade in their early 20s and Rembrandt and The Professsor in their early 50s -- hoping to get a good 5 - 7 season run. It wouldn't make sense to re-hire John Rhys-Davies when he himself says he'd only want to do a year or two on a revival.

You could get Jerry and Cleavant. But I don't think you could get Sabrina Lloyd. Sabrina seems to be semi-retired from acting and just not that interested in SLIDERS. I don't think it's impossible that she'd be won back by John Rhys-Davies and Cleavant given her love for them, but she'd likely want to maintain her life in Africa. Would you recast Sabrina Lloyd with Kate Mara?

I suspect that it would likely be a reboot. Corey Fogelmanis as Quinn Mallory, Isabel May as Wade Welles, Levar Burton as Rembrandt Brown and Victor Garber as the Professor. I think Jerry might produce and direct episodes; John might write and produce; Cleavant might write all the original songs with Tracy -- and Sabrina might guest star -- and they could all play the parents of Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo. It's not my favourite scenario, but it seems the most plausible if NBCUniversal and Peacock actually want a SLIDERS revival.

In HD, the ending from"Dinoslide." Why? I don't know why, but Tom of the REWATCH PODCAST asked for it. And given that Tom spent four hours of his life recording a podcast about SLIDERS REBORN at my request and without accepting any payment, he's entitled to video upscales and all the soda in my fridge.

Also, the HD ending of "This Slide of Paradise," showing Sabrina's final scenes on the show ever. 

https://mega.nz/folder/5E1WnZxJ#Zgg_4d2jHZTolIin-iSevw

Sabrina Lloyd after "Genesis" aired:
I have to say I was a little surprised about that. I was like, ‘What? I’m in a breeding camp?’ But it’s okay. They had to get rid of my character somehow. I don’t think there was anything malicious about it.

I went as far with that show as I felt I could, and I wasn’t being challenged as much as I wanted to be in my life. I just felt that I wasn’t getting anything out of it anymore. So I left and, no, I won’t ever look back.

SPORTS NIGHT -- It’s very, very challenging, and I like challenges in my life. Everybody involved in the show has got such incredible talent, from the top down. Our creator, Aaron Sorkin, is amazing. I’m a very big fan of his work. And all of the actors I’m working with are so talented. They inspire me so much as an actor.

This is another tangent: when rewatching "The Other Slide of Darkness" in 2015 (and understanding nothing about it), one moment really jumped out at me -- Jerry's delivery of Smarter Quinn saying, "I'll never slide again" in a much deeper tone than he usually plays Quinn. Jerry's voice in that moment sounds exactly like Tom Welling's performance as a 'bad' Clark Kent on SMALLVILLE>

In the first seven seasons of SMALLVILLE, Clark when exposed to Red Kryptonite would become villainous, greedy and sexually aggressive as well as violent and caustic. From Season 8 onward, however, Red Kryptonite had a markedly different effect on Clark: he would remain heroic, but he would become suspicious of his friends, savagely violent against all adversaries and indifferent towards collateral damage -- and Tom Welling deepened his voice when playing Red!Clark to a growl.

It's odd: while I don't ever want Tom Welling to play Quinn Mallory, Tom's Clark Kent costume was pretty much Quinn's Season 1 - 2 clothing: the flannel, the jeans, the long hair (but boots instead of sneakers and a red jacket rather than a brown one). And when Tom seized control of the Clark Kent character on SMALLVILLE with Season 8, he implemented a number of changes -- and making the Red Kryptonite version of Clark ruthless rather than 'evil' was one of his changes and probably a better path for Smarter Quinn than whatever was going on in "Other Slide of Darkness."

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For months, I waited urgently for the season premiere of THE FLASH. And... I'm still waiting because what aired as Season 7, Episode 1 is clearly not a season premiere of any kind. To be honest, this isn't a review because I genuinely don't remember where we left THE FLASH in Season 6 except that Iris was trapped in a mirror dimension and the Flash had lost his speed while Caitlin was away for Reasons (the actress was pregnant) and Cisco was away for Other Reasons (can't remember why). Now Ralph is also away for Other Other Reasons.

Look, I watch THE FLASH because I want to see the Flash running around engaged in superheroic supersaves at superspeed while working alongside his team: a tempermental genius (Wells), a tech-driven engineer (Cisco), a compassionate biochemist (Caitlin), an intrepid reporter (Iris) and a conniving wildcard (Ralph). And I simply I can't remember who Allegra and Chester are or what they're doing at STAR Labs. What I do see, however, is that Barry is largely passive throughout the episode, not being the lead, not being the Flash -- and it's ultimately Wells once again sacrificing himself to restore the Flash's powers.

At this point, Tom Cavanagh dying or supposedly leaving is fairly meaningless. We know he's on contract and that the writers are too enamoured with him to let the actor ever leave, so that's an emotional point that's been played so many times over six seasons that it's fairly pointless for Season 7.

So what we have here is a season premiere of THE FLASH where the Flash is mostly not being the Flash while other characters (who could be great, but I had trouble remembering their names) seem to be doing all the work. We have Iris continuing to be trapped in the mirror dimension. We have the lead villainess making shocking discoveries that aren't particularly relevant to the Flash and his friends.

This isn't a season premiere. Maybe, if it had played as a penultimate episode, it would have been acceptable, but as it's presented, it's a mediocre lead up to a season finale that never aired. And this is a terrible place for a season premiere. The season premiere should set the tone for what's to come, re-establish the series and its characters and concept, clear the slate of the past to lay out the future.

Instead, this episode seems to be meandering around whatever happened last year and I don't remember and while I don't blame the episode for that, this episode is devoid of the flair, spectacle and purpose that one expects to open a new season of a TV show.

Today in HD: "The Last of Eden" where Rembrandt learns the Professor's secret -- and the final scene with a pretty strong performance from Jerry O'Connell where Quinn gives a Captain Kirk style speech to the natives, a moment that has not aged well but is still John Rhys-Davies' last first-air broadcast appearance on the show.

Also in HD: the Quinn versus Quinn scenes of "The Other Slide of Darkness."

https://mega.nz/folder/5E1WnZxJ#Zgg_4d2jHZTolIin-iSevw

I had to rewatch this entire episode to write the Smarter Quinn scenes of SLIDERS REBORN and... I remain utterly baffled by what's happening in this episode. I don't understand it.

I am mystified by Smarter Quinn's inexplicable ability to recognize Quinn as the same double he met in the Pilot despite no distinguishing characteristics to make our Quinn separate from any other double. Smarter Quinn's claim that he gave the Kromaggs sliding technology is nonsensical; the Dynasty was not a two year startup operation in "Invasion."

And I am at a loss as to what happened in the final scene. Transmodiar says "Time and Again World" is incomprehensible, but "The Other Slide of Darkness" is unfathomable.

I ended up blowing off Smarter Quinn's appearance in this episode when scripting him in REBORN, having Smarter Quinn vaguely refer to how, "I felt my memories being rewritten, turning me into a faith leader lording over savages in the wild. I went insane. But I found myself eventually." I also had a line from Rembrandt where Rembrandt remarks to Smarter Quinn, "Say, weren't you wearing a crazy wig and face paint the last time we saw you?" I concede that line doesn't necessarily make sense; Rembrandt never saw Smarter Quinn in "The Other Slide of Darkness" -- but somebody had to say it.

And for your viewing... revisitation: the death of Professor Arturo, a traumatic event that left me fundamentally damaged in so many ways at age 12 -- and also forced Transmodiar to spend two and a half years of his life reviewing SLIDERS REBORN with me as we worked through outline after outline. By my count, Transmodiar quit seven times but he kept coming back and I have no doubt it's because he saw what "The Exodus" did to me and he couldn't stand idly by when helping me would alleviate my suffering even as we both came to recognize that grief is sometimes love that refuses to die.

Oh, there's also the cartoon scarab from "Slide Like an Egyptian" which seems to be oddly in demand from Cez and Tom of REWATCH PODCAST.
https://mega.nz/folder/5E1WnZxJ#Zgg_4d2jHZTolIin-iSevw

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Apparently, JUSTICE LEAGUE: THE SNYDER CUT will end on a cliffhanger that will never be resolved.

Congratulations, DC Extended Universe; you now have your equivalent of "The Seer."

For your viewing, uh, endurance... the cliffhanger ending of "Exodus" (1) and the ending of "Common Ground" in upscaled HD. God help us. I look at what's ahead and feel fear. What horrors.

https://mega.nz/folder/5E1WnZxJ#Zgg_4d2jHZTolIin-iSevw

*sigh* Our journey through the Season of Hell (3) and the Season of Despair (4) will unfortunately be extended due to ****ing REWATCH PODCAST. I asked them if they wanted to see any particular scenes in HD and Tom said he'd really like to see "Slide Like an Egyptian" (for the destruction of the dope-ass cell phone as Annie Fish calls it and the introduction of the TV remote), "The Last of Eden" (as it's an extra Arturo episode after he was killed off), "Dinoslide" (for the dinosaurs?), "The Other Slide of Darkness" (for Smarter Quinn's return), "O Brother" (for Colin's first appearance), "Lipschitz Live" (I guess it has the first Colin double), "Roads Taken" (he may be the only person in the world who likes this episode) and "Revelations" (because it's the last appearance of Quinn Mallory as played by Jerry O'Connell).

I told him I wasn't doing this and Tom pointed out that as a superhero comic book fan, surely I could appreciate the value of having the first appearance and the last appearance of significant story elements, props and characters whether I liked the episode or not. "The Last of Eden" was the last time Professor Arturo appeared onscreen. "Revelations" was the last time we saw Quinn Mallory.

That rings true. I'm a pretty devoted superhero comic book fan and feel that Peter Parker and Quinn Mallory would have a lot to talk about. In fact, my own SLIDERS writing is clearly based on GREEN LANTERN: REBIRTH. I found myself grudgingly agreeing with Tom which means that I also have to upscale "This Slide of Paradise," the worst hour of television ever made, because it has Wade Welles' final onscreen appearance.

I'm going to get all these done along with the rest of the Season of Grief (5) selections before I go back to Seasons 1 - 2. I don't want to end this project with the animal human hybrids.

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Sabrina Lloyd in May 2020 gave a blog-tour of her home in Vancouver.
https://designmom.com/living-with-kids-sabrina-lloyd/

I have uploaded the endings for "Genesis" and "Prophets and Loss."
https://mega.nz/folder/5E1WnZxJ#Zgg_4d2jHZTolIin-iSevw

I didn't plan to upscale these, but Transmodiar asked for "Genesis" and "Common Ground" footage in HD for his fan edit and I accidentally ripped "Prophets and Loss" from the DVD and decided to upscale that too.

The results are actually quite nice (in terms of video quality). (I'm guessing that) Seasons 4 - 5 switched from 35mm film to 16mm film that was transferred to video with a high level of grain that was retained in Mill Creek's overcompressed release. It's grain that the AI can latch onto for a good result.

My God, I can only imagine what poor Linda Henning made of her appearances Seasons 4 and 5.

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According to SUPERGIRL, Kara was 13 when she landed on Earth and Superman found her and 25 when Kara put on the Supergirl costume. Winn in the Season 2 premiere notes that Superman looks to be mid-30s when he should be in his mid to late 40s; Superman says that as Kryptonians get older, their aging slows. From that, I'd say Clark is supposed to be at least 15 years older than Kara even if he doesn't look it.

This is somewhat emphasized when Lana in SUPERMAN AND LOIS says that Clark still looks just like he did in high school (which doesn't appear to be true as they had a young actor play the character in the flashbacks), but it may be commenting on how Clark is in his mid-40s but is played by the mid-30s Tyler Hoechlin. I'm not sure Hoechlin even really looks that young; he has a complexion where even the slightest bit of stubble is highly distinct and makes him look unshaven and removes any youthful boyishness from his face.

It's odd that Kara wasn't at Martha Kent's funeral. She wasn't there partially because of the pandemic and mostly because Melissa Benoist was pregnant and on maternity leave when the pilot was filmed. I'd probably assume that Kara was at the funeral but was called away unexpectedly for an emergency or was handling any and all emergencies so that Clark could shut off his superhearing for the duration.

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It's a bit odd that the last time we saw Clark in CRISIS, it was a scene that established that Clark has no idea who his teenaged sons are -- which should theoretically mean that Clark has no idea who this Jordan kid is and that Jonathan was an infant -- and Clark has now missed out on at least 13 years of his sons' development and has no familiarity or rapport with them. SUPERMAN AND LOIS has Clark recounting Jordan's anxiety and Clark's struggles as a father -- and I initially wondered if part of that was due to Clark having trouble relating to two strangers as his son.

The Arrowverse Wikia proposes that J'onn restored Clark's Earth-1 memories in CRISIS Part 7. Perhaps, due to all the family difficulties, Clark asked J'onn to undo the restoration. Alternatively, it's possible that Clark's 'core' memories are the Earth-1 version but the Earth Prime memories are a supplement -- which may have also contributed to his difficulty in bonding with Jordan. It would be an interesting mind screw situation if Jordan found out that beginning one year ago, his father lost all memory of his existence.

I don't think they're going to do that, however. It's just too convoluted to have Clark remember a different continuity from the TV show he's currently in.

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SUPERMAN AND LOIS was good. I liked seeing Lois as a 40 year old woman. Usually, Lois is portrayed in her late 20s, caustic and abrasive and competitive and at times unpleasant, but this is a Lois who is more well-adjusted after many years while still being insanely positive while relentlessly practical. The budget is astonishing; this is clearly not the CW budget for SUPERGIRL but an HBO MAX coproduction with the CW.

CRISIS made some odd changes to continuity that weren't entirely consistent. Lois and Clark originally had a one year old baby, but after CRISIS, Superman got a phone call from Lois: "Clark, I need you to get to Metropolis now. It's the boys."

"The boys?!" Clark exclaimed.

"Yeah, honey, your SONS," Lois said, sounding exasperated and baffled by Clark's astonishment --

Except that didn't actually make sense because CRISIS established that only paragons remembered the pre-CRISIS timeline. Superman wasn't a paragon. He should have remembered having always had Jordan and Jonathan and having had them 14 years earlier than presented on SUPERGIRL. SUPERMAN AND LOIS either ignores this discontinuity or corrects it with Clark having full memories of Jordan and Jonathan. We can handwave it and say that Superman's memories were a glitch and J'onn Jonzz' telepathy resolved it.

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SUPERMAN AND LOIS appears to be a superhero show doing EVERWOOD (a Greg Berlanti show about a widowed big city doctor who moves his son and daughter to a small town) except EVERWOOD was lighthearted and cheery and comedic whereas SUPERMAN AND LOIS is deliberately aiming for a darker tone where even Superman finds himself intimidated by predatory banks, layoffs, a son with some mental health issues and the death of two parents.

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Temporal Flux shared a guide to writing SLIDERS stories awhile ago.
http://sliders.tv/bboard/viewtopic.php?pid=10285#p10285

I've engaged with it and studied it and thought hard on it -- and I've come to the conclusion that I can't do it. It's just not how I think. I don't think of ideas the way Temporal Flux does. When I think of SLIDERS, I think of *the* sliders. Recently, someone asked me for help with some SLIDERS writing and my main advice was: have something to say about the sliders or SLIDERS that has never been said before. Don't just reiterate what we already know. Reveal something about SLIDERS. I don't mean reveal that Professor Arturo killed Michael Mallory in a hit and run. I mean reveal an insight or an idea about SLIDERS.

I think that Professor Arturo was well on his way to becoming a villain; that he was jealous, bitter, angry and dis-spirited and was probably going to steal his students' research to present it as his own or go work for a foreign power to build nuclear weapons or do something horrific to satisfy his own ego or he was going to start coming into work drunk and get in a car accident while under the influence -- but sliding saved him. It forced him to be the leader and father figure to a wayward adult man and two college kids, it demanded that he get his act together and drew out the best in him.

I think Rembrandt is suffering from severe trauma, anxiety and post traumatic stress disorder -- none of which manifests outwardly because he is so ridiculously fond of Quinn, Wade and Arturo that all these psychological issues just get frozen in his psyche -- but all of which will emerge and manifest when Quinn, Wade and Arturo aren't around. I have no idea how it didn't happen in Seasons 3 - 5, and I cannot explain it except to say I consider Seasons 3 - 5 a corrupted timeline.

I think that Quinn knew all along that Wade was crushing on him and for Reasons (repression, self-loathing, wanting to keep his sliding research secret, a sense of being unable to relate to people after Daelin) -- Quinn pretended to be unaware. I think that without sliding, Wade would have come to view as Quinn being cruelly indifferent to her feelings and would have come to despise him -- and that without sliding, Quinn and Wade wouldn't even be friends anymore. I also think that "Last Days" making Wade realize Quinn was aware of her crush all along had an effect -- one where she was so troubled by his avoidance and withdrawal that she herself took a step back to figure out who this athletic nerd really is.

I think that Wade is bisexual and that Diana Davis is gay. There is no onscreen evidence for the former, some indication for the latter.

I think that Kromaggs are not actually individuals. I believe that Kromaggs are actually a single hive mind spread out across multiple clone bodies and that the entire Dynasty is just one individual mapped to multiple forms. I also believe that the Season 4 Kromaggs are an alternate version from a corrupted timeline or a corrupted memory experienced by Quinn in a dream state.

I think that Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo have been alive and well since 2000 and made it home by 2001 after erasing the Kromaggs from existence.

I think that in 2015, Quinn Mallory met Peter Parker from the 616 Marvel Comics Universe and that they have a monthly podcast where they discuss dealing with all the weird things they've both encountered (clones, dragons, alien invasions, dinosaur attacks, breeder parasites, killer robots, giant slugs, becoming unstuck in time, becoming merged with another person as a secondary consciousness, getting married in a parallel timeline that was erased, fighting giant beetles, fighting twisters, befriending living intelligent flames, becoming a zombie... )

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

In my head, we are overfocused on the idea that Evan Peters is Pietro in the Fox universe. I think it’s more of an Easter egg than anything plot related. I think, if it’s Nicholas Scratch, Scratch is showing his true face. And since no one knows who he is, no one is the wiser

I think if they could make him look like MCU Pietro, they would have. So I think he’s not looking “like someone” - Nicholas Scratch (or whoever he is) looks like Evan Peters in this universe

The biggest hole in this theory is the fact that we saw that brief moment of Pietro with gunshots. It doesn’t fit in my theory, unless it was just a moment of hypnosis to sell the theory.

Well, this week, Agatha says that Pietro was a fake who was "possessed" by her, which tracks with Pietro's dialogue sounding more like Agatha's character than the character played by Aaron Taylor Johnson. It's unclear, however, as to the identity of the person with Evan Peters' face and voice as Agatha is dismayed and jealous of Wanda's ability to create living matter and engage in transmutation at will (with these limitations also making it impossible for Agatha to make the impostor look like the Pietro that Wanda remembered).

It was also a shock to see that the Vision in WANDAVISION to date has never been the Vision but a simulacrum of some sort based on Wanda's memories of him with the actual Vision having always been in SWORD's keeping.

There is a really painful, agonizing tragedy to Wanda having experienced a horrific trauma -- the death of her parents -- while watching THE DICK VAN DYKE show. It's something I myself understand. Wanda turned to American sitcoms in her childhood for comfort; they brought her relief from the gunfire on the streets and the hunger and poverty and quiet desperation of her childhood.

This is something I really understand and relate to, having watched SLIDERS during a savagely violent childhood during which Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo brought me a lot of comfort and relief -- until they didn't and the brutal cruelty of the world I knew outside SLIDERS seem to infect the world within the TV show as well.

And I can understand Wanda's wish to retreat within the world that brought her comfort as a child and to effectively write a lavish self-insertion fanfic for THE DICK VAN DYKE SHOW, I LOVE LUCY, BEWITCHED, FAMILY TIES and MALCOLM IN THE MIDDLE -- and to address her grief and loss in this context. However -- and this is very important -- one must use these safe spaces of conceptuality to fully confront one's own demons, regrets, fears and traumas, whereas Wanda has 'written' her fanfic simply to provide comfort and engage in avoidance and denial.

Here are some sequences from "Slide By Wire" (Quinntar the Sorcerer!) and "The Unstuck Man" (all of the scenes of Robert Floyd playing the Jerry-version of Quinn). https://mega.nz/folder/5E1WnZxJ#Zgg_4d2jHZTolIin-iSevw

We will unfortunately be taking a step backwards in the next few days to show scenes from "Genesis," "Prophets and Loss," "Common Ground," "The Exodus" (1 & 2) and then "Requiem" before getting back on track "Applied Physics," "New Gods For Old," and "A Current Affair" at which point we'll finish off with the misery of "Eye of the Storm" and "The Seer" before finishing out with the unconverted episodes of Seasons 1 - 2. I'm not thrilled with this, but I suppose it gives me a reason to re-read SLIDERS REBORN in Google Docs and give the formatting another pass.

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IB: " -- and in other news, Lauren -- Transmodiar asked me for help getting some upscaled shots for his fan edit of 'Genesis.' Ha! Like I'd ever want to get involved in that turkey. It's really beyond me why someone would invest that much time, effort and energy into a show that's been off the air since 2000."

LAUREN: "Yes. Beyond you. Not like you've written nine SLIDERS screenplays or anything."

IB: "Look -- that show was really traumatic for me. Matt knows that, he knows that it triggers all sorts of traumas for me, and his project apparently needs the two parter where the Professor gets shot and blown up after getting his brain sucked out and the episode where Wade gets turned into a head in a jar. That along with 'Genesis' and 'Common Ground' is like 45 hours of CPU processing! The answer is no. If he wants to do his foolhardy fan edit of 'Genesis' that maybe 20 people will watch, he can do it in low bit standard definition."

LAUREN: "How many people read your SLIDERS fanfic epic?"

IB: "Twenty that I know of."

LAUREN: "Did Matt like SLIDERS REBORN?"

IB: "He did not."

LAUREN: "And how much of Matt's life did he spend reviewing your story outlines and script excerpts and each and every creative crisis even as he built a section of his website for SLIDERS REBORN?"

IB: "He spent two and a half years of his life on it."

LAUREN: " ....................................................... "

IB: "I'll rip the DVDS."

LAUREN: "Yes, do that."

IB: "But it'll have to wait until tomorrow to start on upconverting them, the computer is currently upscaling 'Eye of the Storm.'"

LAUREN: "I don't know what that means, but it sounds terrible."

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Watching it tomorrow!

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You can just email me at the address at the top of the forum.

Transmodiar wrote:

There's a name for people like you. I'll let you figure out what that name is. wink

I remember as I was working on "Net Worth: The Quinn and Wade Edition," you remarked, "I don't even need to ask you why you'd go to all this trouble for such a nothing episode. I already know why. You're a loon!"

In this case -- I feel that as a fandom, we must take opportunities when they arise to recognize extraordinary contributions to SLIDERS that went above and beyond merely watching it. Such people have earned extraordinary consideration and recognition.

You are one of those people. As are RussianCabbie (for his phone call with Torme), Grizzlor (for sharing his meetings with cast members), Recall317 and Nigel Mitchell and Slider_Quinn21 (extensive contributions to SLIDERS fiction), Annie Fish (the lengthy blog of all 88 episodes), Blinker (for slidersweb.net), Chaser9 (for lighting the first spark of post-"Seer" creativity), intangirble (for the Wade Welles roleplay), JWSlider3 (for script and document sharing) and, of course, Temporal Flux (for being the most Temporal Flux of everyone around here).

Now, I have had some creative reservations about LEGO SLIDERS. (Zercurvians. Oh, the Zercurvians.) But -- let us never conflate personal taste with objective success. John Rhys-Davies loved the Lego so much that he wanted his own set. Jerry, Cleavant, Kari and Sabrina have all hailed LEGO SLIDERS. Cez and Agata -- like you -- have earned whatever the SLIDERS equivalent may be of the Presidential Medal of Freedom is for doing so much to free Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo from the shackles of Seasons 3 - 5 and if Cez wants all eight opening title sequences in HD, I will crawl across broken glass to get him nine.

ireactions wrote:

I asked Cez (of LEGO SLIDERS fame) if there were any scenes he'd ever wanted to see in HD and he said he'd like the "Stoker"' scenes of Wade because of her singing. I swore at him and invoked a blood curse upon him to be attacked by electric bolts fired from a magic guitar for daring to ask me to do this.

Here are the Wade scenes: https://mega.nz/folder/5E1WnZxJ#Zgg_4d2jHZTolIin-iSevw

Cez apparently survived being attacked by the magic guitar and made another request. A request that filled me with outrage, frustration, grief, despair, loss, longing and agony.

He asked me if I could get the upscaled versions of the opening titles of which there are eight. Eight different versions. One for Season 1. One for Season 2. And then two for Season 3. Two for Season 4. Two for Season 5. Because David Peckinpah was somehow incapable of keeping actors on his series despite Jerry, Sabrina and John all being contractually obligated to perform on SLIDERS for at least five years because David Peckinpah apparently no longer knew how to run a show, meaning even within Seasons 3 - 5, there are two variations each and for God's sake why would someone make me do this and force me to edit the sequences in Premiere to extract the clips which also meant having to repeatedly watch Kari Wuhrer bending over the bar in that ridiculous pose from "The Breeder" that no woman should ever be forced to make why would you ask me for this what would seriously make you think I would put myself through this why why why!?!?

I also made sure to get the opening of the Pilot as well for a total of nine title sequences.
https://mega.nz/folder/1MshGIpQ#7HRWwPDyATQpLT33sqK-EQ

I asked Cez (of LEGO SLIDERS fame) if there were any scenes he'd ever wanted to see in HD and he said he'd like the "Stoker"' scenes of Wade because of her singing. I swore at him and invoked a blood curse upon him to be attacked by electric bolts fired from a magic guitar for daring to ask me to do this.

Here are the Wade scenes: https://mega.nz/folder/5E1WnZxJ#Zgg_4d2jHZTolIin-iSevw

Look, he did LEGO SLIDERS. He earned this.

Although, to be fair, I've actually rewatched "Stoker" a few times. It's a dangerous and deadly practice, but there's a sequence in SLIDERS REBORN where Quinn-2 summons the Season 3 monsters to attack San Francisco. While Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo are busy with dinosaurs and dragons and zombies and whatnot, Quinn's daughter Laurel is menaced by the rock star vampires.

I had to rewatch "Stoker" to describe Morgan as "a tall gentleman in a velvet suit jacket and a high necked shirt with a cravat. His crisp cheekbones frame a predatory smile" who looks like "a reject from a Victorian romance novel." And to describe Harker as "a sunglasses-wearing man with bleached and frosted hair, a dark leather duster" and a "feral snarl in his glee" who "looks like an escapee from an 80s rock concert." They feed on Laurel but poison themselves in doing so because she injected herself with pureed garlic before that.

I actually don't know if the human circulation system would work that quickly, but I was originally going to have Laurel defeat them with high intensity sound until Transmodiar reminded me that the rock star vampires are rock star vampires. Transmodiar suggested using sunlight, but I pointed out that Harker kills the music critic during the day, then wondered if maybe "Stoker" had forgotten about using a day-to-light filter for the shots. "Filter!" Transmodiar chortled. "When a show stops caring, they don't care about time of day!"

This episode made me really upset and angry when I rewatched it for SLIDERS REBORN and I remain somewhat comforted to have written a scene where the vampires are dispatched by some spices in a kitchen.

I upscaled some select scenes from "California Reich" and "Slidecage." "Slidecage" stands out to me -- it was the first time Temporal Flux and I really talked about SLIDERS and he told me how Quinn was seriously out of character in this scene due to Jerry O'Connell's poor performance. It was the first time I really thought to question the onscreen product and view it as a constructed product rather than an objective TV reality.

Also, thanks to Cez who has recommended a hosting option.

https://mega.nz/folder/5E1WnZxJ#Zgg_4d2jHZTolIin-iSevw

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I suppose that's possible. I look forward to answers. Are you still getting emails at your casual guy email address?

Rembrandt's date from "Asylum" and Maggie visits the Maggie museum in "The Return of Maggie Beckett," upscaled to HD: https://mega.nz/folder/5E1WnZxJ#Zgg_4d2jHZTolIin-iSevw

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Very possible, but why would an impostor choose a different face to draw attention to his own disguise?

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Should anyone ever depend on an American television show for moral instruction? I don't know. It could be argued that I should have found something else. Every lesson learned from SLIDERS up to age 11 was a lesson lost by age 14 with Seasons 3 - 5.

My parents and I were not on civil speaking terms in my childhood, I had to work with what I had at age 10 and what I had to hand was SLIDERS.

In "Gillian of the Spirits," a double of Quinn Mallory's revered and beloved father, Michael, is revealed to be something else. He is an antagonist, a man who has been forced to act on behalf of greedy, manipulative figures who have armed him with a gun and directed him against innocent people, fueling him with desperation and self-preservation.

In the face of Michael's betrayal, Professor Arturo triggers the vortex and invites Michael to join the sliders. "A man shouldn't live unappreciated in his world," says the Professor, himself an unappreciated genius. The Professor empathizes with the man holding a gun to his chest, offering him a chance.

Quinn appears and appeals to his father's decency and better nature, urging him to lower his weapon. And before leaving, Quinn forgives his father, telling Gillian to pass on the message that Michael Mallory's son will always love him.

SLIDERS declares that it is a capital mistake to put anyone on a pedestal, an error to think that Michael Mallory in this world or any other would be a perfect and flawless specimen of humanity. Quinn himself notes in "Luck of the Draw": "You don't get something for NOTHING." That's not cynicism; that's understanding that people act in their own best interests for their own gains -- and to think otherwise is foolish.

"Gillian of the Spirits" doesn't declare that everyone is innately self-serving or inherently kind. It simply states that people have the capacity for good or evil. Malevolence is never beyond anyone; the Bayside Power bureaucrats are evil and manipulative. But redemption is never unattainable; it is within reach in every moment of choice such as when Michael is moved by the sight of his dead son and lowering his weapon. In addition, rather than try to have Michael act against his own goals, Arturo suggests that they can have mutual goals if Michael joins the sliders.

I understood this after watching "Gillian of the Spirits" at age 11 -- but then my grasp of human nature got shakier and shakier with each episode of Seasons 3 - 5. Season 4 declared Quinn was a hero even as he became callous and indifferent to the suffering of others, abandoned Wade in "Mother and Child," and then abandoned his home Earth and Rembrandt in "Revelations." Villains were villainous for the sake of being so. The rock star vampires in "Stoker," the Season 4 Kromaggs, the evil doctor in "Map of the Mind" -- they were antagonists and therefore evil despite lacking motives or meaningful gains.

I tried to distance myself from the show as this happened, but it's clear that it affected me. In my late teens and twenties, I lost my confidence in human nature; I became convinced that anyone and everyone would always exploit any vulnerability or opportunity to harm others.

Every person who hurt my feelings through any slights large or small was David Peckinpah -- a deranged, malevolent force turning my life into a horror movie for reasons unknowable and unfathomable. They were Colonel Rickman, a diseased slasher killer wandering into my life. They were the Season 4 Kromagg space Nazis, incompetent fascist poseurs. They were the arcade manager from "A Thousand Deaths."

This is undoubtedly the cause of my numerous social difficulties in my twenties.

When David Peckinpah overdosed and his heart gave out from drug abuse, SLIDERS fans rejoiced. I was largely silent, but one of Peckinpah's sons posted on the IMDB forums, describing his father's two decades of sobriety -- until 1994 when Peckinpah's 16 year old son Garrett died suddenly from meningitis. In his grief, Peckinpah fell back into his addiction, lost the ability to run a TV show, and it killed him in the end.

It was strange: Temporal Flux had told me about this painful chapter in Peckinpah's history, but it never truly registered until years later, when I was rewatching "Murder Most Foul," a splendid episode that demonstrates Peckinpah's clear talent as a writer and producer as well as his joyful obsession with historical re-enactment -- gifts that he unfortunately didn't bring to any episode of SLIDERS that he didn't write himself.

At the end of "Murder Most Foul," Quinn invites a little boy, Trevor, to join the sliders, but cautions that there is no way to bring Trevor home. Trevor declines, deciding to enjoy his childhood fully, but promises to someday build his own sliding machine and find the sliders.

An autobiography can lie. But fiction can't; what a writer creates reveals himself fully whether he wants it to or not. Trevor was named after one of Peckinpah's children, and it's obvious that Trevor's promise to find the sliders again someday voices Peckinpah's own longing to be reunited with the son he lost.

Transmodiar could not understand why SLIDERS REBORN insisted on bringing in the Season 3 monsters for the final script when I have never expressed anything but disdain for the Season 3 monsters. When I told him that "Regenesis" would be "warmly dedicated to David Ernest Peckinpah, screenwriter, director, producer and loving father, husband and family man," Transmodiar crowed, "As well it should! Because it celebrates all the wrong he brought to the show!"

But... I felt that Slider_Quinn21 understood it. Or at least acted like he did out of empathy and gentleness. Slider_Quinn21 worked with me so that the sequences of Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo fighting the dragon with aspirin and the dinosaur with hash butter and the underground predators with UV lights and the vampires with garlic puree were funny.

Slider_Quinn21 refined some of Rembrandt's quips and made sure that the sliders paid for all the items they took from the Doppler Superstore. Slider_Quinn21 also observed that the monster fighting sequences were far more interesting than Quinn and Quinn-2 firing sand and water through vortexes at each other, and he was very supportive of the conclusion of "Regenesis" where Quinn and Quinn-2 set aside their differences and work together.

At the time, I wanted the visual of the Season 1 - 2 team facing the Season 3 horrors with humour and levity -- but I see now that it was an effort to go back to "Gillian of the Spirits." People aren't against you; they are for themselves, but tragedy can sometimes make them think that poisoning themselves to numb their pain is their best route when it's not.

As Slider_Quinn21 would have to remind me in the course of my writing: people are not simply good or evil; they are capable of either and their ideas in themselves -- like doing horror movies with SLIDERS -- are not inherently good or bad until put into practice either with wit, charm, love and passion or grief, misery, indifference and contempt.

It's interesting that after "Murder Most Foul," David Peckinpah withdraws into monster movies rather than engaging in his gift for writing stories about older people interacting with younger people like Quinn and Trevor -- which is a talent Peckinpah shared with Tracy Torme given the excellence of "The Guardian." The age difference with Quinn and Wade being younger than Rembrandt and Arturo would have been perfect for Peckinpah's talents.

But never again would Peckinpah put his feelings about his children and his son into his writing; "Murder Most Foul" clearly struck too close to home; I wouldn't be surprised if "Trevor" had originally been "Garrett" only for Peckinpah to pull back. He didn't want to reveal his agony further; he withdrew from it; he tried to cauterize it with amphetamines and opiates. He fell into what a life of Annie Fish calls "cynicism. Of nihilism. Of existential horror taken to such a complete extreme as to become completely meaningless."

And I think that's why I unconsciously wrote SLIDERS REBORN's final script the way I did; to finish what Peckinpah started in "Murder Most Foul" but chose not to finish. "Regenesis" reveals that Dennis MacMillan didn't "drop out of graduate school to join a band"; he was caught stealing from a pharmacy which he did to try to settle his father's gambling debts, he failed and his father was killed.

"Regenesis" reunites Dennis with his restored father in the rebuilt multiverse and Quinn makes it happen, Quinn himself longing to be reunited with Michael Mallory. This is clearly an unintended yet obvious echo of "Murder Most Foul." At one point, Quinn asks his 15 year old daughter Laurel to trust him and Laurel snaps, "Trust you? I barely know you!" pointing out that they only learned of each other's existence 18 months previous and that they won't know if Quinn has what it takes to be a dad until Laurel is in her 30s -- another obvious reference to Peckinpah's misery over losing the time he should have had with Garrett.

These are the stories that Peckinpah should have written for SLIDERS. Not monster movies, not space invasions -- he should have written stories about sliding providing the opportunity to revisit tragedy and loss, not necessarily to erase them, but to address and recover from them. I see now that I wished to write the stories he should have for himself.

Because if you can forgive David Peckinpah for SLIDERS, you might be able to forgive anyone for anything and you might even be able to forgive yourself.

Watch David Peckinpah's beautiful "Murder Most Foul" conclusion in HD -- and also check out the gorgeous effects work in "The Alternateville Horror"!

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*goes limp with relief*

Thank you.

I'm going to be writing a bit about you over in Thoughts on Sliders in Random and feared it might be an epitaph.

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Well, if you saw JUSTICE LEAGUE, a Joss Whedon film -- and if you saw BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN DAWN OF JUSTICE ULTIMATE EDITION, a Zach Snyder film -- I think it's pretty clear what the difference will be in tone and style.

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Also, who is Pietro? We saw the telltale purple energy on his back as he stood at the Maximoff front door, so he's a pawn, but who is he?

HD scenes from "Dead Man Sliding" (Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo corner Quinn-2) and "Prince of Slides" (Rembrandt faces off against Rembrandt & Quinn Mallory apparently knows how to swordfight now -- which could be part of Quinn's sports obsession except there was no fencing gear in his room in the Pilot).

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