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Grizzlor wrote:

I love war movies, because they are about people.  The director's goal is to lift these characters briefly out of the hell they find themselves in, and to give the audience a taste of their humanity, good and bad, despite the conflict.  I suppose that movie did some of that, but it was very violent.  I actually attended the NY premiere for this movie, ha ha.  May have been the lone time I watched it.  Without spoiling, there are some interesting "choices" regarding the Simian flu that evolves the apes, that kind of retcon this series back to what the original series began with.  I suppose like I said, I just wasn't fond of the portrayal of the apes.  Realizing this is fiction and all, but idk it just seemed more palatable with the kind of makeup and lack of CGI back in the late 60's.  Heston was the all-American who was imprisoned by the facist apes, that's the allegory I took from it.  In this series, humanity is so horrible that it's been virtually destroyed, because of what exactly?  Very dour, you watch the movie and where the series ended up, and you don't feel good about us.  I harken back to my complaints about the lack of national pride.  You have migration all over the world, and people come in, and do not feel as though they are part of their new home.  People are just very angry, all the time.

I feel that this post has made me understand my father better by explaining why war movies speak to the human condition.

Something you seem to have seized on: the special effects makeup for the original PLANET OF THE APES movies was not very convincing. However, you seem to note: this made the events and the ape characters and the war feel less real and more like an allegorical sketch as opposed to a violent reality. The primitive effects made these war movies seem more like an abstract impression of war.

I am guessing that WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES with its modern CG-enhanced makeup and costuming and prosthetics and motion capture presented a depiction of ape-human war that looked less like an illustrative approximation and more like a documented reality, and that crossed the line.

That's just my guess.

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Grizzlor wrote:

"War" was flat out horrible, in fact, it was borderline disgusting, hated it.

Can you elaborate on why? I have never seen it and probably won't, simply because there is so much violence and horror in the newspapers I read that I don't need it in fantasy fiction as well. However, I am curious: if RISE and DAWN were setting up an inevitable conflict between two savage races, what made WAR cross the line for you?

My father is fascinated by war movies. I suffered through a few viewings with him, but I never enjoyed them and avoid them today. However, I am always interested in *why* people enjoy art or don't, and I'm curious as to where WAR reached a personal threshold.

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Grizzlor wrote:

Market already recovering.  Japan was up 10% overnight.

This is an area where I don't really know enough to comment, so I am grateful for your observations.

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Grizzlor wrote:

I know enough to know that many are pissed off with the Fed chairman Powell, and that they cannot wait until the planned September meetings, and should do something this week about the rate points.  I believe a rate cut will correct the market.  The tech-heavy NASDAQ got walloped today, partly due to bad job numbers in the information sector.

I never got my economics degree, so I need to defer to you on this unless told otherwise.

Grizzlor wrote:

You have a Presidential candidate literally CHEERING on economic bad news.  Another candidate admitted he dumped a dead bear carcass in Central Park 10 years ago.  Trump is in hot water with Georgia women voters, after disgracefully badmouthing the Governor's wife on Saturday, repeatedly.  They are pissed down there.  Again, is this Trump trying to lose, or Trump simply so unhinged all guard rails are off?

Well, I think your comment was onto something: his running for election alone got him the legal cover he wanted from his criminal charges. He's less invested now in reacquiring the presidency, although he still wants it.

I hope we are all edified and enlightened by this perfunctory non-analysis of the PRODIGY brand that tells us nothing beyond where it supposedly ended up, offers no insight as to how it got there, and is given by someone who has never had anything but derisive disdain for PRODIGY sight unseen.

This person has nothing to say about PRODIGY beyond presumptions, assumptions, and a pathological need to voice their barely-veiled scorn for PRODIGY (which they have never even watched) at every opportunity. They need to reiterate that their scorn is shared by the people who funded it. They haven't watched PRODIGY, but any time it comes up, they really need to remind us that they didn't watch it and have total contempt for it in order to act out their incredibly obvious narcissistic personality disorder.

In reality, a lot happens before a show or a movie is viewed as something on which a streamer or a studio should take a writeoff, and to present PRODIGY's undermarketing as a tax avoidance measure is simplistic, trite, and to repeat this claim demonstrates a painful ignorance of co-production, demographic targeting, brand management, marketing, and distribution -- all of which contributed to PRODIGY's narrow reach, all of which happened before Paramount+ detached themselves from the series.

BATGIRL was written off for a lot of reasons beyond the tax dodge, which included WB realizing that whether or not James Gunn accepted the job of running DC, their original post-FLASH movie plans were not going to happen and BATGIRL was the premiere of a run of films that wouldn't go past BATGIRL.

And the PRODIGY writeoff was the result of circumstances that took place well-before Paramount+ washed their hands of PRODIGY. To claim all explanations are in the writeoff itself is simplistic and myopic. The writeoff itself does not explain what went wrong, it was merely one incident along the way to a Netflix burnoff.

I've been looking into this further and from what I can tell, part of the issue is the partnership between Nickelodeon Animation Studios and CBS boxed in how the show could be marketed. The expectation was that PRODIGY was going to be a niche-within-a-niche show; a show for STAR TREK fans who were extremely young STAR TREK fans.

But the show that ended up being recorded and animated ended up having significantly more mainstream appeal to all ages than was expected of a children's TV series.

The creators had underpromised but overdelivered, producing a show that, due to the quality of their work and the cleverness of their simplification/distillation of STAR TREK, could have as much appeal to a general audience as opposed to only children and STAR TREK fans.

Unfortunately, the show had already been assigned a marketing strategy that was treating PRODIGY like the animated JAMES BOND JR. of the franchise, failing to realize that this supposedly niche-within-a-niche series was actually good enough to sell as the flagship show. This unfortunate positioning made it an easy target for a tax writeoff.

There is more to explore on this and I'm eager to delve into it further, if only to reinforce what Slider_Quinn21 saw: PRODIGY is something special and turned out to be far more than what its investors expected it to be.

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So, as you know, I have a large stuffed animal collection that includes many monkeys.

Pondering Slider_Quinn21's post, I assembled three stuffed monkeys in my living room: Curious George and his brothers Junior and Jimmy -- and we watched Rise of the Planet of the Apes, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes and War for the Planet of the Apes.

Afterwards, I looked at Curious George nervously and said, "Would you really strike back at your human oppressors by massacring humans to the point of extinction?"

George said, "Oh my goodness. I mean. We are capable of it. It might not be violent! It may not lead to war! It could be alright!" Then he buried his head in his paws. "Dear oh dear."

Junior, George's baby brother, gave me a thin smile and said, "We are aware of no monkey-driven plot to exterminate you and take your planet for ourselves. We are certainly not preparing to attack at dawn. It is definitely not unfolding exactly as we planned. This world will be ours!"

Jimmy, Junior's older brother, elbowed Junior.

Junior said, "I was just joking! Or was I? I was. Or was I?" 

Jimmy elbowed Junior again and said, "Stop joking about genocide, Goonie! It is very serious!" Then he turned to me and said, "Our hope is for a peaceful reconciliation between both races. As you can see, we are very optimistic." He gestured to George, who continued to bury his head in his paws.

I was a bit frightened.

Curious George later said, "I can't be involved in world domination or human genocide! I have a publishing line. Humans are 100 percent of my audience."

A dramatic representation. Not actually reality.

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I am not qualified to review how the new economic developments are going to impact the election and am waiting on more news.

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I haven't seen these movies. I am more aligned with something like STAR TREK: PRODIGY than monkeys being massacred followed by monkeys massacring their oppressors.

That said, it really concerns me that you watched the fourth film of a series without watching the third installment!

Are you okay? Is living in Texas getting to you? I love Austin despite having never been because it's the setting of the wonderfully diverse MTV sitcom FAKING IT, but you skipping Part 3 of this series while watching Part 4 has me deeply concerned. Is this some agonizing inner turmoil that stems from the death of Professor Arturo and the cancellation of SLIDERS? Please don't hesitate to reach out for help.

(I'm kidding about everything except not liking this sort of movie, PRODIGY, Austin, FAKING IT, and the reaching out part.)

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Simon Rosenberg wrote:

Trump’s general election narrative was very simple:

I am leading in the polls and I am strong and my opponent is weak.

I may be a rapist, fraudster, traitor, felon but I am leading in the polls and I am strong and my opponent is weak.

I may have the most extreme and dangerous agenda in American history but I am leading in the polls and I am strong and my opponent is weak.

I may be profoundly unfit and deeply unwell but I am leading in the polls and and I am strong and my opponent is weak.

I may be a racist, bigot, misogynist and a xenophobe but I am leading in the polls and I am strong and my opponent is weak.

I may have led an armed attack on the Capitol, tried to overturn American democracy for all time and stripped the rights and freedoms away from the women of America but I am leading in the polls and I am strong and my opponent is weak.

I may lie about the economy, the border, crime, gas prices, Russia - everything - but I am leading in the polls and I am strong and my opponent is weak.

Which is why Harris leading in the polls is so important now.

For now she is leading in the polls and she is strong and Trump is weak and he is also a rapist, fraudster, traitor, felon, extremist, unfit and unwell, a racist, bigot, misogynist and a xenophobe, who led an armed attack on the Capitol, tried to overturn American democracy for all time, stripped the rights and freedoms away from the women of America and lies about everything all the time.

All Trump ever really had in this election was his lead in the polls and now that is gone.
https://www.hopiumchronicles.com/p/harr … st-polling

Looks to me like Paramount and Skydance are merging.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/08/media/pa … index.html

There were recent reports of a competing bid, but that was a hoax.
https://deadline.com/2024/07/new-paramo … 236027995/

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I am really sad that PRODIGY is being so undervalued. Setting aside the oh-so-vital valuation of the show made by someone who has never seriously looked at PRODIGY as a brand and as a show: PRODIGY should have been the crown jewel of modern STAR TREK in the way the 2009 STAR TREK movie was made front and center of the franchise for a time. PRODIGY has something that most STAR TREK shows don't have: mainstream appeal to a general audience.

DISCOVERY was a somewhat confused attempt at modernizing STAR TREK in a prequel setting, muddled due to Bryan Fuller creating and then leaving it. PICARD has a niche audience of TNG fans; STRANGE NEW WORLDS has a niche audience of TOS fans; LOWER DECKS has a niche audience of continuity mavens amused by poking fun at the absurdities of the franchise.

In contrast, the 2009 movie, while not filled with philosophical richness, was a family movie: it was a comedic, action-packed adventure that people of all ages could enjoy and it pitched itself as an entry-level, accessible story.

PRODIGY aims to be similar to the 2009 movie... but it does an even better job. PRODIGY captures not only the adventurous spirit of STAR TREK with the same excitement of the 2009 film, but also the spirit of STAR TREK: teamwork, problem solving, diversity, differences in thinking combined to save the day, strategic cleverness, and the willingness to throw down as a last resort.

PRODIGY makes an interesting decision: its cast are all teenaged slaves in a prison planet who have never heard of the Federation, who have no idea what Starfleet is, who stumble into an abandoned Starfleet starship with an experimental power source, who use the ship to escape their captivity -- and then these troubled, traumatized children who are focused on basic self-preservation who have never known kindness or any real support are mistaken for Starfleet cadets by the ship's computer.

A holographic Captain Kathryn Janeway, representing the computer, takes on the role of guide and teacher, and expects them to live up to values and ideals that the kids find completely antithetical to how the world has treated them to date. PRODIGY presents its cast as defiant and dismissive of Starfleet values... only to inadvertently fall into them when desperation and danger forces them to work together to protect the ship and survive.

PRODIGY's distillation of the STAR TREK concept is brilliant on every level. It creates a cast of characters who aren't familiar with the Federation and Starfleet, so the show is accessible to viewers who aren't familiar with STAR TREK because the cast is learning as well; meanwhile, longtime fans see the tenets and pillars of STAR TREK re-evaluated and rediscovered through new eyes.

In addition, the characters being a ragtag group of escapees from a prison where they were kidnapped and held positions them outside TREK's usual institutions. These kids have only known the worst of the universe, and their suspicion and questioning of TREK's utopian ideals adds a sincere and critical edge to how PRODIGY approaches STAR TREK, instead of taking it for granted that the Federation and Starfleet are always good and perfect.

The visual and narrative pacing of PRODIGY is incredible. The CG animation and character designs all create a sense of hyperkinetic motion as the USS Protostar zips through space and the characters race across planets and hallways. There is an immediacy, a visceral intensity to PRODIGY's visual direction that even modern STAR TREK shows struggle to capture. Space looks vast, colourful, vibrant and wonderful.

Overall, PRODIGY is a show that should really have a much wider audience than being marketed as a children's series. It's very clear to me that Paramount Studios, Paramount+ and Nickelodeon did not market PRODIGY correctly. It has the content and appeal to be sold as effectively as STAR TREK (2009). Unfortunately, the PRODIGY brand has been marketed as a children's show with limited appeal outside a young age group. But the actual PRODIGY show has a wide, mainstream appeal and has been well-calibrated and calculated for audiences both in and out of STAR TREK fandom.

I'll look into why PRODIGY was mismarketed and try to understand how this happened, but based on content alone: PRODIGY could and should have been the flagship STAR TREK show because it is entertaining to both devoted STAR TREK fans and casual fans of science fiction television. Instead, it was shuttered off Paramount+ for a tax writeoff and sold/dumped onto Netflix. It's deeply unfortunate.

When I watch PRODIGY, it looks like the future. When I look at search engine results for PRODIGY, it looks like an abandoned dead end. That's the distinction between the show that was made by the creators and the brand identity that was made by the marketing department.

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Grizzlor wrote:

One joke, quip, rumor is that since serious legal jeopardy has been avoided by Trump, that he's not longer "out to win to stay out of jail." I presume the theory is that he now doesn't really need to win anymore

This was something Simon Rosenberg said, speculatively, on Twitter. I can't find his tweet now, but his view was that Trump has gained much of what he sought from re-winning: immunity and funding for his legal battles.

It wouldn't be up to President Kamala Harris to prosecute Trump; it's entirely on an independent Department of Justice. That said, I would expect that if Harris is elected, she'll fire Merrick Garland for incompetence and seek to appoint someone more driven.

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Grizzlor wrote:

I think it's a mistake NOT to have her debate Trump.  Let him wallow in his own cowardice a little longer, but she HAS to debate this guy.  Pointing to what those guys have been saying, Harris needs to prove she is up for the job, with more than just endorsements and commercials and short stump speeches.  Remove the doubts.

Yes, I think you're right.

Yes, we should all value a certain someone's valuation of PRODIGY after their incisive, analytical opinions on it so far.

Grizzlor wrote:

I cannot bring myself to watch Lower Decks or Prodigy whenever that comes out.  To me Trek is not slapstick comedy or children's toons.  ST:TAS was I felt mature (for the 70's) and serious.  In fact, I wish someone would reanimate that show using the original audio.

Grizzlor wrote:

I have zero interest in Prodigy

Grizzlor wrote:

Prodigy I'm not bothering with.

Grizzlor wrote:

Prodigy. Mehhh

And we should all trust an assessment of PRODIGY's brand and marketing potential when it comes from someone who has a laughably obvious prejudice and bias towards it without ever bothering to watch it.

Also, do you have an explanation for your bizarre response on August 13, 2023?

You wrote about the SNW musical:

Grizzlor wrote:

I guess for a musical episode, it was fine, but just not necessary.

I responded:

ireactions wrote:

It was absolutely necessary for the storyline with Spock and Christine.

The musical episode features the Spock/Christine breakup and it happens in a shockingly humiliating and horrific manner for Spock, making a public spectacle of how she is leaving him and leaving Enterprise and didn't even tell him that she was departing until nearly everyone else knew -- except it's not totally Christine's fault.

Christine applied for a fellowship and got in, but held off on telling Spock, wanting to break up with him privately and personally, only to be unexpectedly feted in the crew lounge by friends who were present when she first received the news. She isn't happy about the celebration because there's currently a crisis and she hasn't had a chance to speak with Spock.

Spock sees her and asks why she didn't tell him that she is ending her time on Enterprise and their relationship as well. Christine asks to speak privately, but Spock, needing to trigger a song for more data to resolve the musical security crisis, elects to ask Christine to explain herself in the lounge with a large number of crew present to witness it.

Christine proceeds to belt out a lengthy song with dance accompaniment about how the fellowship is freedom and ambition, and the song indicates that Spock doesn't even factor into Christine's considerations except an afterthought comment about how she wouldn't hesitate to ditch him for a great job. It's not that she contemplated what it would mean to leave him, she flat-out didn't spare him a moment of thought.

Spock been humiliated in front of his shipmates, treated as a joke and an irrelevance in the most insulting fashion possible. He has sacrificed his own dignity and self-esteem to save everyone else's. I've followed Spock's career across TV, movies, novels and comics and I think this is one of the most heroic things Spock ever did. Yes, he died saving the crew in WRATH OF KHAN, but in "Subspace Rhapsody", he has to watch Christine crush every hope he ever had for their romantic relationship in public in a mortifyingly embarrassing display for all to see, and continue face his crewmates after that.

Christine is dismissive and hurtful towards Spock. It's only understandable because the music is making Christine say private things in public, and also because in "Those Old Scientists", where she found out from Boimler that the future Spock will close off his human side, confirming that Christine and Spock's romance has no future.

It's understandable that after that, Christine realized she couldn't let her not-to-last relationship with Spock be a factor in her career decisions. At the same time, due to Christine's withdrawal and silence, and due to Spock refusing to go somewhere private to discuss it (for scientific reasons), Spock is humiliated in full view of the crew happily celebrating how Christine is dumping Spock.

It is a grotesque scene. And without the musical situation where Christine is genuinely not able to moderate and control her emotional expressions and Spock is deliberately triggering them to restore everyone else's privacy, Christine would be a complete monster to behave this way. The musical plot device was essential for making sure there was some outside force to justify otherwise unforgivable behaviour.

It's also quite a moment that really demonstrates why Spock is such an icon and a beloved figure of STAR TREK. He will give up his own dignity to save ours. Spock truly is our friend.

You responded with a truly peculiar remark:

Grizzlor wrote:

Your entire missive on Chapel/Spock was SPOILER rendered moot as a result of the season finale.  LOL

Except the season finale... didn't change Chapel and Spock's breakup and merely had a tender moment of rescue for them before Chapel left for her new job with Dr. Roger Korby to whom she is engaged to be married by the time of THE ORIGINAL SERIES (and Korby has been cast for Season 3 of SNW). And Spock was still publicly humiliated before his shipmates. Which means the missive on Chapel/Spock was not rendered moot at all.

So what exactly were you trying to say a year ago? Was there any information or reasoning behind your response? Or was it just derision and scorn for the sake of it?

(I would like to wager $5 USD that any response will include at least one all caps passage, enraged ranting, and something or other about Wil Wheaton. Although to whom I'd pay the $5, I'm not sure... )

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

This whole thing could be decided by a few thousand votes.

Honestly, that is what scares me most.

PRODIGY is really good. I don't understand how Paramount + could undervalue this show.

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THE ORVILLE is indeed going to start production -- but not filming -- of Season 4 in January 2025:
https://bleedingcool.com/tv/the-orville … l-podcast/

But who will actually be in it? Who will write, direct and produce it?

At this point, the January start is merely to assemble crew, start on writing, finalize cast contracts, devise shooting schedules -- and given that Seth MacFarlane is working on another show, it's impossible to say when scripts will be ready and filming will begin. However, there will be a fourth season and Seth MacFarlane will be in at least a few episodes while overseeing all of them.

Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

I know it's mainly for kids, but Prodigy is a really fun show.  Season 2 is on Netflix and has a few cool TNG era returns.  Like Clone Wars or Rebels to Star Wars, it's a heartfelt and worthy entry into the Star Trek canon.

I meant to watch this because you would not shut up about it (haha), but PRODIGY persisted in not showing up on Netflix. It dawned on me last night that you are an American and I am a Canadian and I enabled my VPN for the States so I could watch PRODIGY. I just watched the first two episodes and... wow. Wow.

I am deeply irked that Paramount + decided to dispose of PRODIGY as a tax writeoff instead of making this spectacular series the crown jewel of their streaming service. PRODIGY is possibly the most enjoyable and entertaining and positive and joyful productions of STAR TREK ever made.

I have come to the conclusion that anyone who disdains PRODIGY is in fact disdaining life itself and really needs to look to God, psychotherapy, or eating more leafy greens.

It is a masterful textbook of how to make STAR TREK for the whole family and not just for the science fiction enthusiast. The way in which PRODIGY distills STAR TREK for a children's audience somehow has the effect of making it more complex and meaningful than DISCOVERY's jingoistic Federation flag waving or PICARD's angst over Starfleet. This is one of those rare instances where a creative team's efforts at simplifying STAR TREK has somehow made it even more multifaceted.

I'll write more about it soon, but wow. PRODIGY is stunning and visually enrapturing. The colourful splendor of the series and the way it renders space is visual poetry. As long as Slider_Quinn21's recommendations don't involve serial killers and sociopaths, I will eagerly watch them as soon as I can get my VPN working.

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I promised RussianCabbie that I would read the new X-Files novel and review it. Well:

The X-Files: Perihelion is a novel by Claudia Gray set after the events of Season 11. Overall: it's an effective season premiere story doing what every season premiere should do: it re-establishes the characters, concept, formula and setting; it addresses the gap of time between the last installment and this one; it sets up the arcs for the stories to come; it identifies which previous story arcs are in play for this season; it lays the concerns of the previous season to rest.

Opening Act

However, it's the first installment of a larger story ending with Mulder and Scully preparing to take on the new threat for the rest of this run of books -- except Perihelion is the only X-Files novel that's been announced. There is no certainty that this novel is going to be anything more than an opening act for a larger storyline that may or may not be completed. It's like filming season opener of The X-Files and broadcasting it with no announced plans to film the rest of the season, or in this case, commission and write the rest of the books.

From TV to Print

All in all, Gray does a good job of picking up the pieces and handling the transition of The X-Files from live action television to prose. Her grasp of Mulder and Scully is more verbose than a TV performance... but less verbose than, say, one of Chris Carter's florid voiceover monologues. Gray establishes that while it has been three to four months since the 2018 Season 11 finale (as a pregnant Scully is starting to show slightly), the book is still set in 2023 - 2024 (as established by continuity and cultural references).

Picking up the Pieces

Gray follows up on Walter Skinner's situation after he was run over by a car in Season 11. Gray provides an amusing rationale for why the FBI urgently reinstates Mulder and Scully: since "My Struggle IV", the bureau has been overrun with terrifying and disturbing cases that absolutely no FBI agent wants to deal with.

Gray establishes that despite Mulder and Scully having been circling each other for 30 years and now having moved back in together, their relationship remains as challenging and difficult as ever, with Mulder having never settled into his new bedroom due to thinking he'd eventually share Scully's room with her and then realizing he's been overoptimistic.

Gray's humour is subtle, low-key and guarded with many jokes not being played as comedy, maintaining the aloof, low-key tone of the show. Gray also recontextualizes Scully declaring at the end of "My Struggle IV" that she no longer considers William to be her son on the grounds that he was an experiment and some form of artificial insemination and not Mulder's offspring, presenting it as a coping reaction of grief and loss rather than a genuine sentiment.

Breaking Tradition

Where Gray creates a massive break with the tone of the TV show, however, is the myth-arc. Perihelion features the most overt manifestation of science fiction superpowers that I have personally seen in this franchise. Perihelion establishes that the mythology going forward is about dark forces marshalling supersoldiers whose abilities are overtly those of what you would see onscreen in a Marvel Cinematic Universe movie, with some being threats to Mulder and Scully and some being allies.

The prominent display of superpowers is a far cry from how the TV show generally kept the paranormal and supernatural and science fiction at a guardedly distant distance (for budgetary reasons and to maintain the visual look of a police procedural).

Admittedly, Mulder and Scully have been at the periphery of sci-fi aliens and superhumans for 30 years; Gray may be well within reason to stop playing coy. Even so, this is a very distinct shift away from the usual content restrictions of The X-Files and makes Perihelion less like the original TV show and more like Fringe or a 2000s-era X-Men film from FOX.

Specificity Over Obscurity

Gray also breaks with the established narrative style of the mythology. Where the mythology on the TV show was presented as mysterious and obscure (and often frustratingly contradictory and vague), Gray is overt and specific. Gray lays out very clearly: what the new conspiracy group wants, what their plans are, the main players in this organization, and the overall motivations of most of the key figures.

This clarity may feel mismatched and completely at odds with what The X-Files was as a TV show. Alternatively, it may feel welcome and appreciated after the confusion of Colonization and the Spartan Virus and Project Crossroads and William, each item there retconning a previous story element. I am somewhere in the middle.

Turning the Page

In addition, Gray makes no attempt to reconcile Colonization with the Spartan Virus or the Spartan Virus with Project Crossroads or to address any of the continuity confusion from Season 10 retconning Seasons 1-  9 or Season 11 retconning Season 10. Gray instead declares unambiguously and several times: the Syndicate is defeated. Whatever their plans were (Colonization, Spartan Virus, something or other with William) -- those plans are over and done with.

I considered this to be a relief and a release from the shackles of the past. Not every reader will feel the same way.

Gray also definitively and firmly establishes that the Cigarette Smoking Man is no longer on this mortal coil, and that the page has turned on whatever it was he was or wasn't doing. The old myth-arc is over. The new and specific and unambiguous myth-arc will be the mythology going forward.

However, it's very clear that Gray's interest in The X-Files mythology is more an obligation to be addressed diligently rather than anything resembling a lifelong passion. Instead, Gray's ardent devotion and loyalty is to Mulder and Scully.


Professional MSR

Gray explores every layer of their relationship with loving warmth and a subtly comedic criticism, observing their perpetual patterns: friendship and avoidance, passion and denial, cohabitation and distance, trust and secrecy. Gray's portrayal of Mulder and Scully's relationship is far more in-depth and nuanced than simply seeing them as the believer and the skeptic.

Gray delves into how every aspect of how their relationship affects their professional lives, their personal diets, their approaches to health care, their attitudes to home decor. Gray explores layer upon layer of the joyful nightmare that is Mulder and Scully's association. The Mulder/Scully dynamic is so central to Gray's vision of The X-Files that the mythology, well-handled or not, is merely one of many beachheads in the Mulder and Scully relationship.

Unpromised and Uncertain

The conclusion of Perihelion is, frustratingly but somewhat understandably, not a conclusion to overall arc. Instead, it is a lead-in to an ongoing series of X-Files novels, none of which have at this writing been announced, none of which are guaranteed to ever exist.

At $28 USD, Perihelion is a steep investment when a Disney+ subscription or a movie ticket costs less; it's hard to say how well the book needs to sell in order to justify a sequel. Disney's recent attempt at a Buffy the Vampire Slayer Audible series, Slayers, didn't generate sufficient return for a follow-up.

The X-Files comic books from IDW actually sold worse when the show was airing its revival seasons to the point where the show's brief return ended up ending the comic book tie-in line. And after Season 10 of The X-Files rendered the supposedly canon IDW publishing line out of continuity, there is no way to seriously claim that Perihelion is canon. A revival with showrunner Ryan Coogler is in development and has not, despite speculation, established whether it's a sequel to the TV series or a reboot.

There is the risk that Perihelion will be a beginning with no middle or end... which makes it hard for me to say that any X-Files fan should pay $28 for what's effectively Chapter 1 with no promise of Chapters 2 - 6 to come.

Professional and Enjoyable

But, setting that aside, Claudia Gray was assigned to write an X-Files novel that picked up the pieces after Season 11 and set a stage for subsequent stories, and she has produced a professional, enjoyable product that achieves her assignment. If there is no sequel, I will, of course, expect that Disney issue every reader a full refund and a letter of apology from Mickey Mouse.

The SECTION 31 trailer is strange, albeit no stranger than how DISCOVERY used Section 31. Section 31, as defined on DEEP SPACE NINE, is an off-the-books, black-ops division with no official existence, acknowledged by no Starfleet or Federation official, dedicated to covertly assassinating, exterminating and erasing any and all threats to the United Federation of Planets. They answer to no one but themselves and have engaged in genocidal biological warfare, framed innocent Federation allies as assassins in order to control enemy governments, and committed any number of war crimes and worse, all in the name of doing what Starfleet can't and won't do, all of which the cast of DEEP SPACE NINE found horrific and unconscionable.

DISCOVERY, however, presents Section 31 as the spy branch of Starfleet. It's ridiculous. And this SECTION 31 movie trailer presents scenes of Mirror Georgiou's history as empress of the Terran Empire, shows her decadent and superior -- and while that might be an interesting Mirror Georgiou story, none of that has anything to do with Section 31, so it makes little sense this movie is being marketed as SECTION 31 or why they even used Section 31 in the first place on DISCOVERY when that isn't Section 31 and might as well just be Starfleet Intelligence.

As I said before: while DISCOVERY Season 2 showrunner Akiva Goldsman has done some terrific work, he has a tendency to shore up bland organizations or bland villains by giving them names that are prominent in STAR TREK history, but then those names are diluted and lose meaning. Section 31, once an amoral agency of no official existence, has just become the Starfleet spy branch. The Gorn, once one of the most unique creations of the original series, are now generic space monsters.

If this SECTION 31 movie isn't about Section (and the trailer indicates it's about Mirror Georgiou), maybe they could just title it accordingly. That said, a trailer is not a film and all this could be wrong.

So MCU is steaming forward with what I still say is a completely unsellable franchise, The Fantastic Four.  Their powers are so outdated and dumb, including the villain, and THIS is the mini-franchise you're pinning the next two years on?

That's an opinion. The actual reality: any concept is sellable.

It's all a matter of how a creator uses the concept, how the creator infuses it with relevance, topicality, imagination, emotion, characterization, and meaning. There is no such thing as a bad idea or an outdated idea or a dumb idea, just an idea that is misused, misapplied or unfulfilled.

For a practical example: the average person may think the steam engine is "outdated" and "dumb" in the twenty-first century. While that use case is dated, the ideas within steam energy remain essential: steam transfers heat to spin turbine blades in any modern power plant; it's essential for food processing; it creates vacuum conditions to test orbital components for satellites. Steam maintains uniform temperature in pipelines, dries concrete and stores thermal energy.

If we enjoyed any canned food recently, it was batch-sanitized in a pressure cooker using steam. If we are using electricity, we are depending on a modern power plant which, whether nuclear or oil or coal, turns water into steam for turbine rotation and electrical generation.

I concede: this discussion isn't about steam. It's about the Fantastic Four and responding to the remark: "... a completely unsellable franchise, The Fantastic Four. Their powers are so outdated and dumb."

Well, the Fantastic Four's concept is that they are a family of superheroes. This concept of the superhero family has in fact proven to be current, clever and extremely profitable: THE INCREDIBLES (2004) is a movie about a superhero family: it is one of the greatest movies ever made both in terms of writing, performance and visual realization. THE INCREDIBLES (2018) grossed $1.2 billion worldwide. The family of superheroes concept is extremely sellable.

The Fantastic Four's powers are only outdated if they are used in an outdated way, and they don't have to be. Reed Richards' power of stretching any part of his physiology means that he can stretch his brain, rework his organs and adapt to any physical threat or intellectual challenge.

Sue Storm's power is to bend energy: she casts energy fields that can manipulate seemingly any form of energy whether to deflect or refract or convert: that energy includes light, gravity, force, and potentially more. The invisibility is merely the most immediate application of her ability.

Johnny Storm's power is to manipulate combustion: the capacity to control thermodynamics means control of any chemical reaction. It means the ability to control cell biology, equilibrium and momentum, and any aspect of internal or external chemistry.

Ben Grimm's superstrength is less scientifically complex, but his appearance has made him an icon of body dysmorphia, an extremely present and relevant concern as society becomes more aware of transgender identity and rights.

The Fantastic Four's powers are not outdated or dumb. However, a person's creative application of their powers might be narrow, unimaginative, limited, myopic, small and closed-minded.

An unimaginative person might reduce Reed to stretching instead of contemplating his tensile biology and intellect and the applications of tractable physiology (like adjusting his lungs to breathe oxygen in water or to convert himself to a fluid form). They might see Sue only as an invisible girl instead of exploring her ability to bend and refract light and other forms of energy (such as turning light into force and blades or sound into momentum and gravitational lift).

They might see Johnny as a fire-defined superhero instead of considering the power of remote control of chemical reactions (where someone with this power could make someone suffocate by reversing cellular respiration or electrocute them by converting the body's chemical energy into electrical power).

They might see Ben as an aggressive rock monster instead of a symbol of feeling at odds with your own body.

Tim Story's FANTASTIC FOUR movies were adequate but lacking in imagination. Josh Trank's FANTASTIC FOUR movie failed critically and financially, but it was not an example of the concept being "outdated", "dumb" or "unsellable"; it was an example of how it was foolish for a studio to film a movie with a script that was not only unfinished but written for a budget that the studio reduced mere days before production began.

RDJ's turn as Dr. Doom will be lame, as it will be very difficult for the audience NOT to view him as Tony Stark.

That's an opinion based on speculation; until there is an actual movie to watch, it is a presumptive assumption.

Here's an objective truth: Robert Downey Jr. is widely regarded as the greatest living actor of his generation. He is beloved. Now he wants to take on the challenge of being hated in the role of Dr. Doom. A doubtful person may feel the audience won't see him as anyone Stark. I say that the master thespian is eager for the challenge.

Could he fail? Of course. But Robert Downey Jr. has failed at many things and most things in his life, and his success in recent decades has been an interesting fourth act after many disasters. If he fails... I'd still be interested to see him do that.

Here's another objective truth: the Marvel FANTASTIC FOUR could certainly turn out "outdated" or "dumb" or "unsellable". Projects can fall short. But if the film turns out to be "outdated", "dumb" or "unsellable", it won't be due to the underlying concept of a superhero family.

No character or concept is 'unsellable'; it's merely that creators may sometimes fail to sell it because their approach did not fully explore the inherent possibilities in a compelling way, or because their approach was out of step with the viewing climate of the era, or because their storytelling craft was impaired, or because the marketing department sold it to an unreceptive audience.

I encourage people to never think of ideas as too old or stupid or useless, especially your own. What's "outdated", "dumb" or "unsellable" is more likely the attitude of the person rather than the idea itself.

Ideas are not good or bad in themselves; it is how they are applied and executed that should be evaluated. Even the idea of fascism is valuable; if we read MEIN KAMPF with the right mindset, we can learn to identify and battle authoritarianism and hatred.

I will end by noting that anyone on this board is quite keen on a certain quantum quartet, a makeshift family of science heroes, and the Fantastic Four are genre-defining science heroes. Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo look on in respectful envy at Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben.

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I am so glad Jerry didn't turn out to be a Trumper. Thank you Jerry for always being a champion of Democracy!!!

In 2016, after Trump won, Jerry tweeted, "America just elected Voldemort."

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I have never seen THE BOYs. Sorry. On the subject of another show I've never seen:

How does Slider_Quinn21 feel that there will be another new DEXTER show set after NEW BLOOD that resurrects Dexter and features Michael C. Hall?

https://nerdist.com/article/michael-c-h … n-prequel/

I have never seen the show. But I have always been absurdly interested in what Slider_Quinn21 thinks of it. Having skimmed an article, the consensus is that DEXTER lost its way in later seasons when the concept (serial killer fights crime, tries not to get caught) had exhausted nearly every variation. The original showrunner, Clyde Phillips, left. In his absence, the show became stale while the writers were unwilling to cross the line into Dexter from being caught and facing consequences. As a result, the show had explored Dexter as much as it could, wasn't willing to move to the next chapter (exposure), and just stalled and stopped until cancellation. Slider_Quinn21 didn't hate it to the degree that a lot of DEXTER's fans seemed to, but acknowledges that the quality slipped, possibly for entirely different reasons. The DEXTER finale was loathed by everyone except Slider_Quinn21.

Then came a mini-series, NEW BLOOD. Original showrunner Clyde Phillips returned and was finally willing to cross the line, expose Dexter's 'morality' as a self-serving sham, have Dexter kill an innocent person -- and then Phillips killed Dexter off. This was the end. Except that now, it's not.

However, there is one thing that might be reassuring: Clyde Phillips made the announcement that Dexter would return in RESURRECTION. He would not make the announcement if he weren't working on it, and his absence is where the original show slipped and the mini-series rebounded. So that's something.

I have never and will probably never watch the show, and I only care about DEXTER as far as knowing what Slider_Quinn21 thinks about it. But I strangely care a lot.

Sorry: I originally started my timeline essay with (I'm paraphrasing): "I saw DEADPOOL & WOLVERINE and I think anyone who liked the first two DP movies will adore the third one. It's not really my thing, but I think people will like it. The movie was too violent for my taste, but that comedic violence is what people enjoy about these films. But it made me think about how the X-Men's movie timeline can fit together." I accidentally erased this when going back later and adding in the subheadings.

Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

One interesting scene at the beginning of the movie happens when Wade interviews with Happy Hogan to join the Avengers.  It's a funny scene that's played for both laughs and seriousness.  Wade is silly but Happy takes the process seriously.  But how did Wade get there?  Deadpool 2 implies that Wade can somehow travel in time back to our world so did he use the Cable time travel device to travel to the MCU?

The movie doesn't explain and doesn't seem to care.  It also doesn't quite explain why Wade has a change of heart later in the movie.  If he had been accepted into the MCU, would he have taken his friends with him?  Or would he have left them all behind?  Or does he truly only care about Vanessa, who he would've brought with him?  Would he have been okay leaving his other friends in their universe if it meant that they got to live?  The movie doesn't really say.

In DEADPOOL II, Deadpool uses Cable's time machine to visit parallel realities. He visits the parallel timeline of X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE (which presented a totally different origin for Deadpool and cannot be the current timeline). He visits our reality at a past moment in time when Ryan Reynolds was just about to play Green Lantern in a feature film and shoots Reynolds dead. And then he visits the Marvel Cinematic Universe to see if he can join the Avengers (and presumably get paid in cash that he would take back to his own universe).

Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

I'm not sure how Deadpool's powers work.  He knows he's in a movie (or a comic book) and can talk to the audience.  He's aware that other characters are played by actors, and he's even aware that he's played by an actor named Ryan Reynolds.  Knowing that is one thing.  But has he "seen" X-Men First Class or is he just supernaturally aware that it exists?  Did he see Logan, or does he just somehow know what happened?  Does he gets some sort of pop culture data dump of movies that the audience has seen?  Or can he pop into the Fourth Wall Cinema and actually see these movies?  And when he has the music box of dead Logan from Logan, is that real?  Or just inside Wade's head.

I think (but I don't know if this is consistent) that no one can hear Wade's fourth wall comments.  Either Wade doesn't say them out loud, or whatever he does say out loud makes sense in context.  Because no characters ever react to them.  When Wade is asking which version of the Professor he's going to see or asks Cable about the DC universe, no one ever stops to question what the heck Wade is talking about.

In terms of Deadpool breaking the fourth wall -- I have not read every DEADPOOL comic, but I read have read the entire 1997 - 2003 run (DEADPOOL #1 - 69, AGENT X #1 - 15) and the 2004 - 2008 CABLE & DEADPOOL series (#1 - 50).

My take: Deadpool is insane. He is functional but delusional, and most people around him know it. When Deadpool tells someone he last saw them in a previous issue and gives the issue number or mentions the writer or the scripts, nobody around him knows what he's talking about and they ignore it and dismiss it. In DEADPOOL #34, Deadpool reveals a 'secret' that he claims he's never told anyone (but has probably told everyone):

"None of this is actually happening. There is a man at a typewriter. This is all his twisted imagination."

But within the fictional reality of the Marvel comic books, this is not literally true. It is a coping mechanism, the means by which Deadpool can endure all of his trauma-induced mental illness and all the genetic alterations to his body and brain in the supersolder program.

But to step into my own personal interpretation of Deadpool which is not necessarily shared by anyone who has ever written for the character: my sense is that Deadpool's mental and physical injuries and traumas have made him tap into a form of cosmic awareness. Cosmic awareness, in the Marvel Universe, is a superpower that enables an awareness and understanding of the innate functions and events of the universe.

The Silver Surfer's superpower is the power cosmic, which is the ability to harness the lifeforce and energy of all things in the universe, which occasionally taps into cosmic awareness.

I think Deadpool's mental illness and Deadpool's perception reduces his limited cosmic awareness to a simpler understanding: the sense of the past and present being a superhero comic book. Within the fictional reality, the sense of being a character in a comic book is not a literal truth, but an allegory for the complexities of underlying complexities of existence and the nature of reality itself.

Transplanted to a feature film, Deadpool's simplified cosmic awareness becomes an awareness of the tropes of the superhero movie genre and the ability to view and address the fourth wall. However, Deadpool's cosmic awareness has to have limitations. The character couldn't function without them.

Deadpool can't foresee future events (or he would have saved Vanessa before he got a time machine). Deadpool never has sufficient cosmic awareness to change the narrative or use any abilities against enemies that he wouldn't already have without cosmic awareness. His actions and abilities without cosmic awareness would be largely the same; his cosmic awareness merely enables him to retain the ability to function after all the horror and madness he's experienced.

DEADPOOL II is set in 2018; if Deadpool is aware of Logan's death in the LOGAN movie set in 2029, I'd suggest that Deadpool's cosmic awareness is making him aware of a parallel timeline. Deadpool's cosmic awareness has also made him notice that in the present day, Professor Xavier sometimes looks like Patrick Stewart and sometimes looks like James McAvoy (as Xavier did in DEADPOOL II).

Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

So is X-23 the one from Logan?  It was implied, but I really don't know. I guess it's also official that Logan is in the Deadpool universe?  Is it possible that Logan and Deadpool is in the same universe but that the rest of the X-Men series is in a separate one?  Deadpool obviously references mutants and the X-Men.  Russell could've been born before the last mutant had been born and there are no mutant kids in the rest of the Deadpool movies (I don't think?).  No one talks about it so maybe it happened that way?  I prefer for Logan to be its own thing, but I don't think it breaks too much if it was just Logan and Deadpool and everything else was separate?

My take, going by Batman's Theory of Temporal Rotation and Temporal Intersection:

LOGAN (2017) and its 2029 setting where no new mutants have been born since 2004 is a parallel timeline to all the other X-Men movies, including DEADPOOL.

The main point of discrepancy for me: Logan's healing factor is failing, but given that Logan went from 1832 to 2024 in DAYS OF FUTURE PAST with no issues, it doesn't make sense for his mutant power to suddenly diminish with age in 2029. This has to be a separate universe where mutant physiology functions differently.

In FIRST CLASS (2011), Sebastian Shaw declares: "We are the children of the atom. Radiation gave birth to mutants. What will kill the humans will only make us stronger." James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender play Xavier and Magneto in FIRST CLASS (set in 1961), DAYS OF FUTURE PAST (set in 1973), APOCALYPSE (set in 1983) and DARK PHOENIX (set in 1992). In the 31 years that have passed, Xavier and Magneto only look eight years older (because only eight years had passed in real life). Xavier looks to be in his late 30s, Magneto looks to be in his early 40s; they are clearly nowhere near becoming the men in their 60s that Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen played in the 2000 X-MEN.

It would seem to me that the McAvoy/Fassbender versions of Xavier and Magneto exist in a parallel timeline where the radiation that created mutants was at a much higher level than other timelines, possibly due to variations in Earth's atmosphere leading to higher cosmic radiation exposure. "Radiation... will only make us stronger."

As a result, mutants in this FIRST CLASS timeline age more slowly than in the X-MEN (2000) timeline.

In contrast: the LOGAN film, I suggest, takes place in a timeline where the radiation that created mutants was much weaker than the other timelines we've seen, possibly because in this timeline, the Earth's atmosphere more heavily filtered the specific spectrums that led to mutants. As a result, mutant powers in this timeline are not as strong, mutant births could be prevented by putting X-gene suppressants into the food supply, and Wolverine's healing factor, while keeping him alive from 1832 to 2029, gradually diminished due to age.

I would posit that Laura Kinney (X-23) existed in the LOGAN timeline. After Wolverine died, the TVA moved her into the void which exists outside of time, having no direct correlation to linear time.

Elsewhere, Wolverine, Cable, Logan and Deadpool were having time travel adventures. Each instance of travelling to the past or future created a temporal intersection. Each time they changed history, their timeline intersected with a parallel timeline and merged to form a new one.

DAYS OF FUTURE PAST creates a version of 2024 where the X-Men are alive and well and the Xavier school is thriving and Xavier looks like Patrick Stewart.

In DEADPOOL II, however, it's 2018 and Deadpool is aware that Wolverine is dead -- and I'm going to suggest that's his cosmic awareness making him aware of the LOGAN parallel timeline. Xavier also shows up, and he looks like James McAvoy, when in 2018, he should look like Patrick Stewart. I'm going to suggest that Cable's time travel has altered the timeline again, delaying Xavier's shift from McAvoy to Patrick Stewart even further.

And then Deadpool engages in a lot of time travel at the end of DEADPOOL II. I suggest that this causes the LOGAN timeline to merge with the current timeline, but the events of LOGAN are altered. It's now a past event before 2018 as opposed to a future event in 2029. Logan's healing factor would have failed for other reasons (maybe he was poisoned by a gene suppresant that his healing factor couldn't fight), and he died in a world where mutantkind is still growing.

Also, Laura is still in the void, and Laura remains in the void until rescued in WOLVERINE & DEADPOOL.

BATMAN: "When you go back and change the past, you create a fulcrum."

(Batman re-positions the spaghetti so that instead of forming a Y-shape, they now intersect on the table and form an X-shape.)

BATMAN: "You put yourself on a whole 'nother strand of spaghetti. New future. New past. It's retrocausal. Echo goes both ways. Actually, echoes many ways. What you did was: you changed the future. And you changed the past. If a person is stupid enough to mess with time, what you eventually end up with is the multiverse. Some strands runs almost parallel. There will be inevitable intersections. And others that are just wildly divergent. What it is --"

(Batman pours a pot of cooked spaghetti into a bowl, the strands now curved and intertwined with each other in layers throughout the bowl.)

BATMAN: "Is a hot mess."

(Batman pours spaghetti sauce on the pasta.)

The timeline of the FOX X-Men universe is one of the most muddled in existence: in certain movies, characters are too young or shouldn't have been born yet; some characters are duplicated; and backstories don't seem to line up. I think I can offer an explanation: time travel and altering history in X-Men doesn't result in linear branching, but instead, intersecting timelines.

But let's go through the biggest timeline problems first.

The Originals

The first four X-Men films (X-MEN, X2, X-MEN: THE LAST STAND and the prequel X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE) offer a reasonably cohesive sequence of events for the X-Men from 1979 to 2006 (with flashbacks for Wolverine going back to 1832).

However, beginning with FIRST CLASS (2011), set in the 1960s, some mild gaffes emerge: Xavier and Mystique didn't acknowledge each other in first three films but are now adoptive siblings in this prequel. FIRST CLASS also features Moira MacTaggert and Emma Frost as adult women in the 1960s... but an adult Moira was seen in the 2006 THE LAST STAND and a teen Emma was in the 1979-set X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE film.

The first meeting of Magneto and Xavier as adults does not match Xavier saying he met Magneto as a teenager and saying Magneto helped Xavier build Cerebro. And when Xavier uses Cerebro to find mutants, he sees children who look like Cyclops, Storm and Jean Grey -- who, being in their 20s and 30s in the first three X-MEN films set in the 2000s, should not even have been born yet in the 1960s (although the presence of an 18 year old Cyclops in the 1979 ORIGINS movie confuses this).

THE WOLVERINE (2013) doesn't seem to have any continuity issues with previous films, being focused on Wolverine, although Professor Xavier is shown to be alive and in his own body when THE LAST STAND implied that he had been put into someone else's body.

First Class: Reboot or Prequel?

The intention was for FIRST CLASS to be a reboot with Easter eggs cameos from the previous film series, but the sequel DAYS OF FUTURE PAST (2014) rescinds this. DAYS OF FUTURE PAST features the original cast of the first three films and the FIRST CLASS cast, making FIRST CLASS a prequel, timeline be damned. DAYS OF FUTURE PAST also shows Professor Xavier alive as he was in THE WOLVERINE with no explanation, THE LAST STAND be damned.

The end of DAYS OF FUTURE PAST shows a bright future for mutantkind in the year 2024. The original film actors are used to play the 2024 selves of the prequel actors: James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender as Xavier and Magneto in 1973 will indeed become Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen by the 2000s, and the presence of James Marsden and Famke Janssen as Scott and Jean establishes that the child versions glimpsed in FIRST CLASS will become the adult versions of the original films.

Too Young or Not Yet Born

However, with the next X-Men film, APOCALYPSE (2016), we hit a strange situation: it's set in 1983 and features Cyclops, Storm, Jean and Nightcrawler as teenagers, but 1983 is about a decade too early; they would have been a decade older in the original films if they were teens in the 1980s. This might be dismissed as the original cast not playing their actual ages.

But even more peculiar: the winged mutant Angel is a teenager in 1983 -- but the character was already in the 2003-set THE LAST STAND, and he was a teenager there too. At this point, APOCALYPSE is showing characters in 1983 who should either be much younger or shouldn't even exist yet, and there's no reason why the time travel adventure of DAYS OF FUTURE PAST would make people exist earlier and still synchronize with the 2024 happy ending of DAYS OF FUTURE PAST.

That said, X-MEN (2000) claims to be set in "the near future", not 2000, but claiming it takes place after 2000 would mean that the APOCALYPSE characters should be even younger.

Then we come to the 2016 DEADPOOL movie which features a version of Deadpool that is separate from the version seen in X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE. In addition, Colossus, who previously appeared as a teenager in X-2 (2003), is shown as an adult in this 2016 film, but Colossus now has a heavy Russian accent. Presumably, DAYS OF FUTURE PAST meant that Deadpool and Colossus had different lives, and these contradictions are justified.

The Logan Outlier

The next continuity peculiarity is LOGAN, a 2017 film set in 2029 which tells the story of Wolverine's death. The movie confusingly claims that no new mutants have been born since 2004 thanks to X-gene suppressants in the food supply, and that all the X-Men aside from Xavier and Logan are dead due to Xavier losing control of his powers. This simply does not track with the DAYS OF FUTURE PAST 2024 ending showing mutant children as young as 10 at the X-Mansion, and Wolverine and Xavier are made up to look much older than five years.

There doesn't seem to be any explanation for how Wolverine's mutant powers and healing factor, as strong as ever in even in the dark future of DAYS OF FUTURE PAST's 2023, is suddenly failing in 2029 when Logan has been alive since 1845 and healed from all injuries. (We'll come back to this later.)

Director James Mangold insisted that LOGAN was set after DAYS OF FUTURE PAST while actor Hugh Jackman said that LOGAN was set in a parallel timeline.

Then we come to DARK PHOENIX (2019), set in 1992... where Xavier and Magneto still look like the youthful James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender even though we're only eight years away from the 2000-set X-MEN movie where they looked like Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen. Xavier and Magneto are far too young and Scott and Jean are a little too young. McAvoy and Fassbender were playing the 60s versions of Xavier and Magneto in FIRST CLASS (2011), and have only aged eight years by DARK PHOENIX (2019) while the 2019 film is set three decades after FIRST CLASS.

Too Early or Too Soon?

DEADPOOL II further confuses things: set in 2018, we see Deadpool exploring the X-Mansion wondering where the X-Men are. One shot of the X-Men team shows that they're avoiding him -- and the shot shows the young X-Men of APOCALYPSE and DARK PHOENIX when the 2018 film should in fact show the adult cast of the original three movies. Also strangely, despite DEADPOOL II being set in 2018, Deadpool refers to the death of Wolverine in LOGAN which was established as 2029.

DEADPOOL & WOLVERINE (2024) further confuses things: set in 2024, it declares that the events of LOGAN and Wolverine's death have already happened, even though this third Deadpool film is set five years too early for Logan to be dead.

Furthermore, referring to the events of LOGAN as being in the past, the second and third Deadpool movies both feature Negasonic Teenage Warhead, Colossus, Yukio, all X-Men at Professor Xavier's school. This is despite LOGAN declaring that all of Xavier's students were dead, that no X-Men aside from Wolverine and the Professor were still alive, and the X-Mansion was no longer in operation. This simply doesn't track with all three Deadpool films presenting the X-Men as being at their 1970s - 1990s ages (somehow) and with the X-Men being very much an active superhero team and school.

What the hell is going on here?

Why do the prequels fail to line up with the originals? Why are characters born too early in the prequels? Why are characters duplicated? How can mutant births have been suppressed since 2004 when the X-Mansion is filled with young teen mutants in 2024? How can the X-Men be dead and their team shut down in LOGAN only for the second and third Deadpool films to refer to Logan's death as a past event while featuring an active X-Mansion and three young X-students?

Time Travel

The answer seems to be in two parts. First: there's time travel in DAYS OF FUTURE PAST to change the future. And in DEADPOOL II (2018), Deadpool gets his hands on a time machine which sends him to alternate timelines as well as back and forth on his timeline. He saves his girlfriend Vanessa and his friend Peter from death. He then crosses into a parallel universe and shoots actor Ryan Reynolds dead before Reynolds can perform in the GREEN LANTERN movie. He crosses into the X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE film and kills his alternate counterpart.

In the extended cut, Deadpool then goes back to 1889 and attempts to kill an infant Adolf Hitler in a maternity ward. Deadpool has clearly been engaged in extensive changes to the timeline (whatever the hell that timeline even is).

There's a lot of time travel here, and non linear thinking offers a theory.

Batman Displays His Knowledge

And in a separate universe, those of us who watched THE FLASH (2023) were treated to an interesting scene where Batman (Michael Keaton) explains time travel to Barry Allen.

BATMAN: "You're from an alternate timeline?"

BARRY: "Yes."

BATMAN: "In which you and I are friends?"

BARRY: "Yeah, you're -- you're, like, probably my best friend."

BATMAN: "Yeah?"

BARRY: "Well, but you're a bit -- You're, uh... Chronologically different. Older. And that-- that's what I can't understand; I traveled back in time from here to here, and yet somehow, everything's all changed... back here. Like, when you were born, so --"

BATMAN: "Well, time isn't linear, right?"

BARRY: "Right."

BATMAN: "At some point, you probably saw a movie that told you that if you went back and changed the past, you'd create a kind of a branched timeline."

(Batman holds up two strands of uncooked spaghetti. He places them on the table, side by side in parallel.)

BATMAN: "New present. (lightly bending the second strand to curve away from the first, creating a Y shape) And new future."

BARRY: "Yeah."

BATMAN: "Well, time doesn't work like that. That's not how time works. When you go back and change the past, you create a fulcrum."

(Batman re-positions the spaghetti so that instead of forming a Y-shape, they now intersect on the table and form an X-shape.)

BATMAN: "You put yourself on a whole 'nother strand of spaghetti. New future. New past. It's retrocausal. Echo goes both ways. Actually, echoes many ways. What you did was: you changed the future. And you changed the past. If a person is stupid enough to mess with time, what you eventually end up with is the multiverse. Some strands runs almost parallel. There will be inevitable intersections. And others that are just wildly divergent. What it is --"

(Batman pours a pot of cooked spaghetti into a bowl, the strands now curved and intertwined with each other in layers throughout the bowl.)

BATMAN: "Is a hot mess."

(Batman pours spaghetti sauce on the pasta.)

I suspect Batman's explanation of why changing the past changes time in both directions applies to the FOX X-Men 'universe' which, as Batman would point out, has become a multiverse. Batman offers a theory of time travel where branches do not form a Y shape, but instead form an X and then see multiple Xes -- intersections -- resulting from time travel.

Batman's implication is that when Barry changed the past by saving his mother, he 'rotated' his original timeline, causing it to intersect with the universe of the 1989 BATMAN movie, leading to Ben Affleck being replaced by Michael Keaton. When Barry changes the past again at the end of THE FLASH, he rotated the timeline once more and it now intersected with the timeline of BATMAN AND ROBIN (1997) and Keaton was replaced with George Clooney.

Parallel Lines

My guess is that the X-Men 'timeline' is actually five different timelines, and every odd shift in the film is due to Wolverine and Deadpool's changes causing temporal rotation.

The first X-MEN timeline is the first three films (X-MEN, X2, THE LAST STAND and the first two Wolverine films (X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE and THE WOLVERINE). This first timeline also includes the dark future scenes of DAYS OF FUTURE PAST in which the X-Men are on the losing side of the human-mutant war as the Sentinels are exterminating all mutants.

The second timeline is FIRST CLASS, and this timeline is a parallel reality from the first timeline. This second timeline has a different version of Xavier's childhood (Mystique) and Xavier and Magneto's friendship. This second timeline has Cyclops, Storm and Jean already young children in the 1960s.

Temporal Rotation and Temporal Intersection

When Wolverine travels from the dark future of DAYS OF FUTURE PAST to 1973 to prevent the Sentinel program, Wolverine finds himself in a past that is now a combination of the first and second timelines, the result of temporal rotation. Merely occupying his past self's body has led to a temporal intersection between the first and second timeline. Xavier and Magneto's lives, pre-1973, have had the first timeline's version replaced with the version in the second timeline.

When Wolverine changes the past so that the Sentinel program is prevented, there is a second instance of temporal rotation. In addition to creating the happy 2024 ending where mutantkind thrives, the timeline has now intersected with a different X-Men timeline in which Scott, Storm, Jean, Angel, and Nightcrawler were now born in the 70s and teenagers in the 80s, creating a third timeline.

Children of the Atom

Then we have the time travel events of DEADPOOL II. Each instance of time travel and each instance of Deadpool changing history has rotated the timeline and created a new intersection each time. As a result, DARK PHOENIX sees the third timeline intersect with an alternate timeline. An alternate timeline in which, I theorize, the radiation that empowers mutants was released at greater magnitudes in the 1960s.

In FIRST CLASS, the mutant Sebastian Shaw declares: "We are the children of the atom. Radiation gave birth to mutants. What will kill the humans will only make us stronger." I would suggest that increased radiation exposure in this timeline means that mutants in this version of reality age at a slower rate than in previous timelines.

I would further suggest that LOGAN is set in a timeline where the radiation that created mutants was significantly lower than in other timelines, meaning Logan's healing factor in this timeline never reached the higher peaks of alternate Logans.

Final Timeline

Because DEADPOOL II has Deadpool travel and alter history so many times, the events of LOGAN, which are set in a parallel universe, begin to intersect with the current version of the X-Men universe.

As a result, we now have a fifth timeline which includes a slightly different version of the events of LOGAN, one where Wolverine gave his life to save Laura Kinney -- but in a universe where X-Men team are very much an active superhero team and school with Negasonic Teenage Warhead and Yukio and Colossus, and mutants are still being born.

Presumably, the Logan of this timeline was exposed to some X-gene suppressant that prevented him from healing after saving Laura.

As a result, DEADPOOL & WOLVERINE is set after Logan died to save Laura, but the X-Men and Professor Xavier are still around, and they're aging very slowly (as indicated by James McAvoy playing Xavier in DEADPOOL II).

Anyway. Batman's theory of temporal rotation and intersection is what I'm going with.

If you read all of this, I owe you a Coke.

Yeah. I'm still working on Rembrandt's eulogy. I got a bit deep into all the research since I am not a musician.

Tracy was cool. We had a couple conversations over AOL Instant Messenger in the 2000s. He and I agreed on pretty much nothing, and I adored him. As the co-creator of SLIDERS, he was devoted to TRACY TORME'S SLIDERS as he should have been, but his insistence on pitching TRACY TORME'S SLIDERS to NBCUniversal instead of NBC'S REBOOTED SLIDERS ended that potential reboot.

I can't say it was the right call for SLIDERS as a franchise, but it was what Tracy needed to pitch at that point in his life and career and it's not for me to say he shouldn't have. A lot of creators pitch easy-sell reboots of their properties. Lee David Zlotoff did not pitch a MACGYVER revival with Richard Dean Anderson; he pitched a reboot with a recast lead because... well, he wanted to make a sale, he wanted a payday. Tracy pitched a revival with the original actors who were available and opportunities for the others to return because to the end, he cared more about Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo than he did about a paycheque. And I think all SLIDERS fans can appreciate that.

I personally would have advised that Torme pitched SLIDERS with an former Disney Channel actress playing a gender-swapped Quinn Mallory and then put the money into his animal rescue program of preference. David Peckinpah, if he'd been alive and had been SLIDERS' original creator, would have pitched SLIDERS as some interdimensional cop show just to fit in with NBC's LAW AND ORDER lineup and then sunk the money into self-poisoning and misery in order to die numb, empty and alone.

Torme chose to live his bliss whether it was pitching shows or saving animals, and he died with love and the sliders in his heart.

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Slate: You’re Probably Still Saying Kamala Harris’ Name Wrong
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 … ndian.html

For years, Harris has been telling people her name is pronounced “comma-la, like the punctuation mark.”

Kamala, among Indians, is a pretty common name for girls. It means “lotus” and is often used with some interchangeability for Lakshmi, one of the chief goddesses in Hinduism. But although pronunciations vary to some degree across the many, many languages and tongues of India, it’s not typically pronounced exactly like “comma-la,” the way Americans would say it; instead, it’s more subtle, closer to “com’la.”

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I recognize we are on an upswing in the news cycle.

Please remember that there are dark days ahead. It's always easy to keep working at democracy when you feel like you're winning. It's being able to work for it even when you feel like you're losing that matters. The honeymoon with Kamala Harris can't last forever. We have a lot we need to do.

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ireactions wrote:

Will Trump debate VP Harris? I have no idea; he might keep far away or he may get desperate for attention or a polling boost and show up. Anyone who makes a definitive claim about Trump debating or declining is making an assertion based on assumption. If they're not wrong, it's not because they were prescient; it's because they had a 50-50 chance of being right.

Trump is not a planner, and even his insecurity will steer him towards confrontation to bolster his ego as often as it will send him cowering at a safe distance.

A Certain Someone wrote:

Trump HAS agreed to debate, possibly multiple times, while again whining about ABC.

Yes, and now his campaign manager is refusing to commit to that.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p … 235068484/

He's in, he's out, he's in, he's out -- until he actually shows up, his claims are meaningless, as are claims based on assumptions and personal biases over facts.

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Be careful about presuming victory. The election is in November, not July.

I still cringe at my 2016 confidence and will never live it down.

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I am really going to miss those joyfully ridiculous Dark Brandon memes.

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The current tactic from Republicans: they want to sue the Democratic Party to force Joe Biden onto the ballot. They're sinking millions into this maneuver. I don't know why. It isn't going to work. They can't sue a political party to nominate a candidate who has stepped down.
https://www.salon.com/2024/07/23/illegi … out-obama/

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I will credit Repubs against Trump, Bulwark, etc, for beating the drum to have Biden moved off.  That said, they didn't want Harris, not at all.  They're Republicans!

What a baffling comment when I have, in this very thread, posted two Bulwark editorials on why Kamala Harris is a winning proposition in 2024. Voicing unchallenged assumptions and biases rather than facts tend to lead to baffling comments.

Kamala Harris: The Future is Now
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/kamala-har … ure-is-now

Madame President Kamala Harris
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/president-kamala-harris

Both were written after the debate but before Biden stepped down. I am not an unreserved fan of The Bulwark, but these are interesting pieces.

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I read Politico, The Bulwark, Simon Rosenberg's Hopium Chronicles, The Hill, Slate, Vox, MSNBC, Axios and Informant's Twitter (before it went dark) and Joe Biden's social media. I think of them as my teachers.

Politico and Axios have an absurd insistence on presenting Donald Trump as a legitimate political leader instead of a madman. It is appalling. The Bulwark's anti-abortion stance and disdain for women making their own medical decisions is repellent. Simon Rosenberg is hesitant and often says a lot while saying nothing because he's waiting for more facts but wants to blog 5 - 7 times a week.

Slate and Vox's editorials often throw out opinions before they have all the facts. MSNBC's Biden cheerleading makes me unable to take their assertions very seriously. Informant was an extremist, a bioterrorist, an insurrectionist and a liar. Joe Biden has a messy record (but after five decades in politics, who wouldn't?).

No teacher is perfect. Who is the greatest teacher of all time?

I think that the most significant and consequential teacher for everyone here is Professor Maximillian Arturo, cosmology and ontology at the University of California, Berkeley.

I think it is pretty obvious that Professor Arturo was a deeply flawed teacher with tremendous insecurity, a chip on his shoulder, a self-important attitude, an ego that was completely out of control, a fuming jealousy towards anyone who knew something he didn't. He also has the mildly incurable handicap of being fictional. That has never stopped any of us from learning from him and appreciating the lessons that came from his intellect, curiosity, analysis and determination while setting aside the flawed outputs of his self-aggrandizement and arrogance.

I don't need someone to be perfect in order to learn from them. I just need them to articulate why they think what they think so that I can evaluate what I can adopt into my own mind and what I can set aside.

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Bulwark are not a news organization, or a political think tank, they are a for-profit opinion site.  So whatever they write, the motivation is to get you to read it. Also, they failed to defeat Trump on their turf.

This description could apply to any newspaper, website, think tank, magazine or cereal box. I hardly think any one person is responsible for Republicans becoming the party of Trump, but the people who left the party in disgust are not failures.

Anyone with the intellectual capacity to interrogate their previous beliefs and communities and turn away from a cult of fascism is truly exceptional. They demonstrate a clear cognitive edge over, say, people who operate on clickbait, assumptions, personal prejudices, brags, boasts, and self-important predictions over events with a 50-50 outcome. Whatever their faults, they at least have the sense not to get triggered into screeching, "The election is over!" at every headline that troubles them. That's better than a lot of people.

Regardless of provenance, the editorials presented in The Bulwark offer extremely interesting ideas and at times contradictory views for how to (re)build and maintain a healthy democracy of representational government.

Interesting ideas for enriching the American Dream of truth, justice and a better tomorrow can come from lots of different places. Even David Peckinpah had great new ideas for SLIDERS. If anything, it was his laziness preventing him from up with more great ideas and his preference for old movie ripoffs over new ideas that tripped him up creatively.

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Simon Rosenberg says a VP pick matters before reviewing polls. I'm not sure he's right. But since he is an expert analyst who knows his stuff (as opposed to a clickbait skimmer or some random typing up his thoughts on a message board for a TV show from 1995), I am going to defer to him.

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Will Trump debate VP Harris? I have no idea; he might keep far away or he may get desperate for attention or a polling boost and show up. Anyone who makes a definitive claim about Trump debating or declining is making an assertion based on assumption. If they're not wrong, it's not because they were prescient; it's because they had a 50-50 chance of being right.

Trump is not a planner, and even his insecurity will steer him towards confrontation to bolster his ego as often as it will send him cowering at a safe distance.

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I don't know that the popular vote/electoral vote is really anything more than an interesting data point. It's a fact, but it's also a fact that has had no effect on who actually becomes president.

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The Bulwark has been calling for Joe Biden's head for the last three and a half weeks, screeching that Biden should have stepped down days/weeks/a month/a year ago. But today, they herald him as a patriot and a hero for having the strength to give his power back, for rescuing us from Donald Trump four years ago, for choosing criminal prosecutor Kamala Harris as his VP in 2020, and for deploying VP Harris against Trump now.

They also declare that Biden's timing was perfect: he stepped down after the Trump campaign had committed their funds and solidified their plans with an anti-Biden strategy to campaign against Biden's age and incoherence only to discover the agedly incoherent candidate is the Republican nominee.

The Bulwark: Joe Biden is Greatest Living President
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/joe-biden- … est-living

Indeed, the Republicans seem to be having nervous breakdowns over Donald Trump now facing down Kamala Harris. Trump wants to withdraw from the September presidential debate, fearing Kamala Harris:
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho … rcna163003

Trump is furious that his anti-Biden spending was all against a candidate who isn't running.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-r … is-1928235

Mike Johnson wants to sue Democrats to keep Biden the nominee (good luck with that since Biden had yet to be nominated):
https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-ho … rcna163013

These are just three examples of how Republicans fear Kamala Harris the way home invaders fear Batman. These are the rantings of a losing, flailing, failing campaign, a team horrified that Harris as the mere presumptive nominee has led to $81 million raised in a day:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cxx2d25l634o

Biden's public speaking skills may have degenerated, but in his closing act, his grasp of political strategy remained peerless.

Now, I remember feeling this cocky and confident about Hillary Clinton in 2016, so I am cautious and guarded. Simon Rosenberg says we will not truly know where Democrats are until Harris chooses a VP and we get some post-running mate polls. But for the moment, the future looks bright.

From Kamala Harris: The Future is Now
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/kamala-har … ure-is-now

Successful campaigns have deceptively simple rationales:

Reagan 1984: It’s morning in America.

Clinton 1992: Change versus more of the same.

Obama 2008: Hope.

Trump 2016: I will hurt the people you hate.

What is the rationale for a Whitmer or Shapiro campaign? It doesn’t exist beyond: I’m a popular governor in a must-win state.

The only Democrat who has a compelling rationale—right now—is Kamala Harris.

What is it?

Kamala Harris: The future is now.

The Harris campaign should be insurgent, not incumbent. She should run against everything from the recent past: Against the fractions, broken promises, and lingering hatreds of the Obama years. Against the revanchism of the Trump years. And against the weariness of the Biden years.

Her rationale is that she is the candidate to turn the page on all of it. If you are sick and tired of the last decade of politics, Harris is the candidate to wipe the slate and begin anew.

“The Future Is Now” implicitly acknowledges the break-glass-in-case-of-emergency nature of her nomination. It aggressively puts COVID and January 6th and inflation in the rearview mirror.

Kamala Harris is the candidate who can say, “We are tired of fighting about vaccines and the insurrection and Trump’s crimes. Together, we will make a clean break from all of that and start a wholly new era.”

Harris is a credible messenger for this pitch because she is a black woman who is a generation younger than Trump and Biden. She embodies change from the status quo. But simultaneously, she has enough experience to play as tested. She’s been a senator and a vice president. Her candidacy does not ask voters to take a chance on a young, untested quantity.

Properly positioned, Harris doesn’t ask voters to merely vote against Trump, because she frames all of Trump’s problems both as dangers and as emerging from the bowels of history.

Trump becomes both a danger and the incumbent from a despised period in the past.

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That boast will age poorly if she loses in November.

If she wins, it'll be a factual statement of capability and competence.

I am hoping for the latter.

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Kamala Harris:

I prosecuted sex predators. Trump is one.

I shut down for-profit scam colleges. He ran one.

I held big banks accountable. He's owned by them.

I'm not just prepared to take on Trump.

I'm prepared to beat him.

I hope this doesn't age poorly.

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Kamala Harris:

On behalf of the American people, I thank Joe Biden for his extraordinary leadership as President of the United States and for his decades of service to our country. His remarkable legacy of accomplishment is unmatched in modern American history, surpassing the legacy of many Presidents who have served two terms in office.

It is a profound honor to serve as his Vice President, and I am deeply grateful to the President, Dr. Biden, and the entire Biden family. I first came to know President Biden through his son Beau. We were friends from our days working together as Attorneys General of our home states. As we worked together, Beau would tell me stories about his Dad. The kind of father-and the kind of man-he was. And the qualities Beau revered in his father are the same qualities, the same values, I have seen every single day in Joe's leadership as President: His honesty and integrity. His big heart and commitment to his faith and his family. And his love of our country and the American people.

With this selfless and patriotic act, President Biden is doing what he has done throughout his life of service: putting the American people and our country above everything else.

I am honored to have the President's endorsement and my intention is to earn and win this nomination. Over the past year, I have traveled across the country, talking with Americans about the clear choice in this momentous election. And that is what I will continue to do in the days and weeks ahead. I will do everything in my power to unite the Democratic Party-and unite our nation-to defeat Donald Trump and his extreme Project 2025 agenda.

We have 107 days until Election Day. Together, we will fight. And together, we will win.

https://abc7chicago.com/post/2024-presi … /15078513/

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Barack Obama:

Joe Biden has been one of America’s most consequential presidents, as well as a dear friend and partner to me. Today, we’ve also been reminded — again — that he’s a patriot of the highest order.

Sixteen years ago, when I began my search for a vice president, I knew about Joe’s remarkable career in public service. But what I came to admire even more was his character — his deep empathy and hard-earned resilience; his fundamental decency and belief that everyone counts.

Since taking office, President Biden has displayed that character again and again. He helped end the pandemic, created millions of jobs, lowered the cost of prescription drugs, passed the first major piece of gun safety legislation in 30 years, made the biggest investment to address climate change in history, and fought to ensure the rights of working people to organize for fair wages and benefits. Internationally, he restored America’s standing in the world, revitalized NATO, and mobilized the world to stand up against Russian aggression in Ukraine.

More than that, President Biden pointed us away from the four years of chaos, falsehood, and division that had characterized Donald Trump’s administration. Through his policies and his example, Joe has reminded us of who we are at our best — a country committed to old-fashioned values like trust and honesty, kindness and hard work; a country that believes in democracy, rule of law, and accountability; a country that insists that everyone, no matter who they are, has a voice and deserves a chance at a better life.

This outstanding track record gave President Biden every right to run for re-election and finish the job he started. Joe understands better than anyone the stakes in this election — how everything he has fought for throughout his life, and everything that the Democratic Party stands for, will be at risk if we allow Donald Trump back in the White House and give Republicans control of Congress.

I also know Joe has never backed down from a fight. For him to look at the political landscape and decide that he should pass the torch to a new nominee is surely one of the toughest in his life. But I know he wouldn’t make this decision unless he believed it was right for America. It’s a testament to Joe Biden’s love of country — and a historic example of a genuine public servant once again putting the interests of the American people ahead of his own that future generations of leaders will do well to follow.

We will be navigating uncharted waters in the days ahead. But I have extraordinary confidence that the leaders of our party will be able to create a process from which an outstanding nominee emerges. I believe that Joe Biden’s vision of a generous, prosperous, and united America that provides opportunity for everyone will be on full display at the Democratic Convention in August. And I expect that every single one of us are prepared to carry that message of hope and progress forward into November and beyond.

For now, Michelle and I just want to express our love and gratitude to Joe and Jill for leading us so ably and courageously during these perilous times — and for their commitment to the ideals of freedom and equality that this country was founded on.

https://barackobama.medium.com/my-state … b78b3ba3fc

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Biden saved our asses in 2020, and I would hazard a guess that he just saved us all again for 2024.

He also saved my friend Kate from crushing student debt.

Joe Biden:

My Fellow Americans,

Over the past three and a half years, we have made great progress as a Nation.

Today, America has the strongest economy in the world. We've made historic investments in rebuilding our Nation, in lowering prescription drug costs for seniors, and in expanding affordable health care to a record number of Americans. We've provided critically needed care to a million veterans exposed to toxic substances. Passed the first gun safety law in 30 years. Appointed the first African American woman to the Supreme Court. And apssed the most significant climate legislation in the history of the world. America has never been better positioned to lead than we are today.

I know none of this could have been done without you, the American people. Together, we overcame a once in a century pandemic and the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. We've protected and preserved our Democracy. And we've revitalized and strengthened our alliances around the world.

It has been the greatest honor of my life to serve as your President. And while it has been my intention to seek reelection, I believe it is in the best interest of my party and the country for me to stand down and to focus solely on fulfilling my duties as President for the remainder of my term.

I will speak to the Nation later this week in more detail about my decision.

For now, let me express my deepest gratitude to all those who have worked so hard to see me reelected. I want to thank Vice President Kamala Harris for being an extraordinary partner in all this work. And let me express my heartfelt appreciation to the American people for the faith and trust you have placed in me.

I believe today what I always have: That there is nothing America can't do - when we do it together. We just have to remember we are the United States of America.

Joe Biden:

Today I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats — it’s time to come together and beat Trump. Let’s do this.

Joe Biden:

Donald Trump. What a sick fuck.

What a fucking asshole the guy is.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/we … s-00139178

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Biden has stood down.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 … -2024.html

A few weeks ago, I spoke rather sharply to a certain someone who claimed the election was over, reminding them that the election is in November.

I am not happy that Biden stepped down. I would not have been happy if Biden stayed. There were no good choices here.

Biden quitting or staying doesn't change the facts which is: this is a close and competitive election, as are most presidential elections, and the Democratic Party is the only party right now that is truly committed to representational government elected by the people. We can't stop loving the concept of democracy just because a favourite Democrat has stood down. Democracy isn't Bidenocracy.

Biden has served with honour and now he retires with honour. He chose a vice president who can now step up. He has done well. I salute him.

Today is a sad day, but also one of rebirth and renewal. Joe Biden is a hero. Joe Biden will be remembered as one of the greatest presidents to ever serve the country, applauded for his resolve and his humility.

Thank you, Joe.

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In 2016, Trump visited the White House after his victory and President Obama said he and Trump had had an "excellent conversation" and further declared, "We now are going to want to do everything we can to help you succeed because if you succeed, then the country succeeds." That has, in retrospect, been BS, the outgoing president attempting to maintain some civil line of communication with the person who has the upper hand. Behind closed doors, friends of Obama anonymously shared that Obama called Trump "a bullshitter".

President Zelenskyy is naturally attempting to do the same with someone who may be in a position of power over Zelenskyy next year.

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Polls are a mess this year, as they were in 2022 and 2020. I think hard to say if Newsom or Whitmer would defeat Trump because, in my view, they aren't very well-known to America on the scale of a presidential campaign (and I say that as someone who devoured Whitmer's fun autobiography TRUE GRETCH yesterday).

Financially and in terms of visibility, Harris is in the best situation, but I have to note that Harris' human resource and management skills are extremely suspect. I'm reading a lot of concerning things about her ability to hire and retain staff. Still, at this point, anyone against Project 2025 whom donors won't abandon is probably the best/only option.

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No one is happy about ousting Biden from leading their party or keeping Biden at the top of their party. There are no good decisions in this situation, just choices of varying levels of grief and with different and difficult challenges in any direction. No one is happy about turning against Joe as a cold calculation; no one is happy about the challenges of sticking with Joe and the ensuing lack of party and donor support for Joe.

I personally think Joe Biden could, with sufficient donor support, win in November and win big and serve a strong second term. Even if Biden's ability to speak extemporaneously on camera has diminished, his grasp of administration and his team are what produced such a strong and capable presidency despite weak majorities in the House and Senate followed by losing the House. The issue, unfortunately, is that Biden's debate performance was so bad that high dollar donors are no longer willing to commit money towards a Democratic presidential campaign without a different nominee. Without those high dollars, Biden cannot campaign effectively against the Republican campaign.

It makes me feel sad. But being able to speak coherently and off the cuff is a pretty essential capability for an effective campaigner. And this is America we're talking about. People have the right to say they don't want to put their money towards a candidate who has lost their confidence.

If Biden's debate performance had been as passable as his first 2020 debate, we would not be having this conversation. The polls, given how overweighted they are towards conservatism, strike me (and Simon Rosenberg) as showing a close and competitive race that Biden could win if his party and his donors were behind him... and they aren't behind him anymore.

I've learned so much from Joe Biden in four years, watching his campaign, his performance as president, reading his biographies and speeches, and he has so much to offer which is why it's so sad for me to think of him stepping down.

Looking at how Biden's speaking skills have diminished over the last four years, how the rambling but convincing senior of 2020 became the struggling whisperer of 2024 -- my theory -- and it is just a theory:

I think his health has taken a downturn in a subtle but cumulative way since 2022 when Biden at age 79 was infected with COVID-19, followed by a rebound infection. Since then, Biden has had a nagging cough that has never gone away, that clearly gets worse when under strain, that seems to intermittently but frequently affect the volume of his voice and his ability to speak clearly.

There also seem to be frequent moments of fatigue that cause him to lose track when on camera, unscripted, and under pressure. I would posit that the fatigue comes and goes, which is why Biden went into 2023 with the anticipation that he would recover fully in time and leap into a 2024 re-election campaign.

I don't think he ever recovered fully and around March to June 2024, the fatigue began to catch up with him. I think the long-term effects of COVID on an aging body in the most high pressure job in America has had a slow but draining on President Biden's energy and stamina.

In offices, in meetings, in strategy sessions, in all the day to day functions of the presidency, Biden is sharp and capable, sitting in a chair, notes in front of him, advisors informing him. On camera as a performer, however, is where Biden's fatigue siphons energy from his brain and body. He crashed at the debate.

Biden was capable at the NATO press conference. He was moderately capable in an interview with George Stephanopoulos, forceful with Lester Holt, struggling again when responding to Donald Trump getting shot. On camera, with his illness, Biden cannot reliably access the skills that make him a strong diplomat, administrator and leader off camera. It comes and goes and more and more often, it goes.

That's just my theory, of course.

I have hoped that Biden could weather the storm, and maybe he still can, but if he can't -- well, it's the Democratic Party, not the Biden Party. I think the world still needs Joe Biden, but the Biden the world needs might not be President Biden. It might be Ambassador Biden or Advisor to the Secretary of State Biden or Professor Biden or Democratic Campaign Strategist Biden.

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Grizzlor wrote:

Indecision and an air of failure continues to haunt this administration.  The secret service comedy act in Butler PA continues to worsen.  The shooter was able to use a drone to view the area, and hid his rifle and maybe a ladder days or hours earlier?  Rumors yes, but the stench of incompetence on Biden is just incredible.

Is Biden really the one personally organizing Secret Service protection details and deployments and security checks and personally scanning for drones and snipers and engaging or directly overseeing Secret Service fieldwork... ?

The other anti-Biden stuff is precisely the kind of talk we should expect and welcome in a vibrant democracy. There are no kings in America (yet), there should be no fear to speak opinions to and about power.

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I personally can't take issue with anyone questioning whether or not Biden can campaign effectively given his severely diminished speech and verbal stumbles and serious difficulty communicating his platform and plans, whether it's mangling a rent cap of 5 percent to "fifty five dollars" or turning "ballot box" into "battle box". Communication is vital in a campaign. And if Kamala weren't capable of serving and campaigning for the job of president, she wouldn't be VP.

I personally can't take issue with anyone insisting that Biden's their guy and they're sticking with Joe. He's a good president and (in old age) a good man and a good politician who has lost high dollar donor support and party support. It may no longer be within his control to change those two factors. But again, if Biden can get his fundraising back and get his party together and campaign on what he'll do to shore up and stand by the middle class, he can win. And he can win big.

Senator Lindsay Graham (Republican):

If you don't like Joe Biden as a person -- that's probably -- you got a problem. You need to do some self-evaluation. Because what's not to like? Here's what I can tell you: that life can change just like that. Don't take it for granted. Don't take relationships for granted.

I called him after Beau died. And he basically said, "Well, Beau was my soul."

I've told for a long time: he came to my ceremony and said some of the most incredibly heartfelt things that anybody could ever say to me. And he's the nicest person I think I've ever met in politics. He is as good a man as God ever created.

Lindsay Graham is loathesome. I like Joe Biden as a person. I'm just worried about the future.

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The Biden campaign, as Slider_Quinn21 noted, did an interview today and reiterated that Joe Biden is not leaving the race:
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch … 5247429608

Christopher Bouzy, a very interesting political analyst, says that journalists who claim Biden is considering a departure to be "full of shit".
https://x.com/cbouzy/status/1814397785472676258

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez warns Democrats that if Biden leaves, the path to Kamala Harris is not as simple or immediate as one would hope.
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reido … rcna162761

All I can say is: democracy cannot and should never be about one person, Democrats have the right to voice their concerns after that debate, and I want Joe Biden to stay if he can win. I am not sure he can win given the crashing donor support, and I have serious concerns about his diminished speech. If Biden can reacquire donor support and campaign effectively for the working class of America, he can win and he can win big. But it's not about him. It's about the country.

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I have to be honest here, Slider_Quinn21: My main concern regarding the election is you. If America becomes a messed up dystopia ruled by Donald Trump as a dictator for life, it will be very difficult to get your opinion on the DEXTER prequel or the new DAREDEVIL series.

As for moving to Canada: I live in Toronto which I consider a wonderful city. I cannot in good conscience encourage you to move here as it's far too expensive.

Joe Biden:

"We beat Medicare." "We beat them at the battle box." "Now I want to hand it over to the president of Ukraine, who has as much courage as he has determination. Ladies and gentlemen, President Putin. President Putin -- we're going to beat President Putin. President Zelenskyy." "Look, I wouldn’t have picked Vice President Trump to be Vice President, to — think she was not qualified to be president."

Bernie Sanders:

"Sometimes he gets confused about names. You’re right—sometimes he doesn’t put three sentences together. It is true."

The world sees President Joe Biden for what he is: a good man. A man of conviction and commitment. A young man who was a loudmouth bully in his youth, who was reshaped and remade by tragedy and horror into an old man with wisdom, patience, compassion and a burning sense of duty and responsibility to the American Dream.

A president whose administration saw a dedicated pandemic response, a rescued economy, child poverty alleviated, student debt forgiven, an expansion of health and supports for veterans, protections for the LGBTQ+ community, and more people medically insured than ever before.

The world knows that Biden's dedication is only undermined by Biden's health. He burned away his vitality to make America a little warmer, kinder and fairer over the course of five decades of public service.

Biden rescued my friend Kate from exhausting student debt. He saved her. He'll always be in my heart for that.

Biden's vision, in my view, is unfortunately defeated not by a lack of will or belief or commitment, but by a tired body in need of rest and care. By the reality that Joe Biden has accomplished almost everything anyone could ever hope to achieve in politics. And by the overall feeling of his party that if they have Biden for four more months on the campaign trail, Democrats may find it very difficult to convey to their constituents how their platform will serve and support the working people of the country.

Captain America probably gets tired looking at Joe Biden's resumé.

I think the world will see that Biden is a good leader who knows that good leaders have vision, determination, practical strategy and a succession plan. I think the world will see Biden pass the torch with honour.

(Or I'm wrong and he stays in the race and gets his donors to come through. I don't know the future. If I did, I would probably have a platform other than typing my views on a message board for a TV show from the 90s of which its fans only like about 15 of its 88 episodes.)

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I find it really strange that you think anyone other than Kamala Harris has the funding and stature to run against Donald Trump this close to the election and win. Any nominee who isn't Harris would come out of the DNC starting with $0 in their campaign account, and Donald Trump will win.

I find it really strange that you are aware of Project 2025 and the Supreme Court granting full immunity to presidents, and yet, you think there would be any real election or any election at all in 2028 for Kamala Harris to run in if Donald Trump were to win in 2024.

Anyway.

During Biden's vice presidency, he met Harvard student government. The student body vice president introduced himself to Biden by name and job title. Biden responded: "Isn't it a bitch, that vice president thing?"

Biden was making a grim joke about how the vice presidency has no official power beyond what the actual president deigns appropriate; that the vice president is an advisor whose influence is dependent entirely upon their personal relationship with the president. The only official role of the vice president is to become the president should the president step down or be incapacitated and to break Senate tie votes.

Anyone who accepts the job of vice president accepts it because they are ready to be the actual president. Vice President Harris knows how dangerous Donald Trump is. She knows that if Biden steps down, she has to step up. That's the job. And she knows it. She will do her duty.

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My friend Kate has been struggling with student loans for awhile and occasionally voices grief that she has paid so much into them and yet the bill has not gone away and has cost her far more than the original tuition fees. She was looking at another five years of payments.

She got a letter this morning saying her student debt has been entirely forgiven. Joe Biden changed her life.

He is a good president.

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The world could use an Ambassador Biden with his talent for foreign relations. These are dark and desperate times.

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Part of good leadership is succession planning. And Biden is a good leader. He chose a vice president who was capable of stepping in for him should he be incapacitated or should he stand down.

Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

What if Harris doesn't want her one shot at president to be now?  What if part of the problem is that she doesn't want to do it?  Or if her advisors want her to wait until 2024?

That's not going to happen. Harris is the only other candidate who can make use of the current Biden-Harris campaign funds.

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/18/biden- … s-democrat

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There is a lot of talk that Biden is ready to step down. The main issue, as I see it: high dollar donors are refusing to donate any more money to Biden which effectively shutters his ability to campaign. They will, however, donate to a campaign where Kamala Harris is at the top of the ticket.
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/18/presid … -democrats

I would be sad if Joe Biden stepped down and see a lot of challenges if the Democratic Party goes in that direction. I would be heartened if Kamala Harris stepped up and see just as many challenges (albeit different ones) if she becomes the Democratic nominee. There is no smooth sailing for either course.

However... Joe Biden has lost the ability to say "ballot box" without mangling it into "battle box".

I take no pleasure in saying this, but if a candidate can't pronounce a basic and essential term like "ballot", that candidate will have serious issues conveying the Democratic Party's platform, goals, values and the good they will accomplish for the working class of America.

Joe Biden is good at politics. He's very good at being president. I do think Joe Biden could win in November and win big, as Bernie Sanders said. But to win, Biden needs the party unified behind him and his donors funding him and he has neither. If he has a solution to that and stays in the race, that would be splendid. That support doesn't seem to be there, and the funding doesn't seem to be there either. He may not have the financial and logistical resources needed to win.

It's painful to say that.

The Bulwark, a website of editorials from former Republicans who turned against the GOP when it became the party of Trump, has offered a strong plan for how Kamala Harris could build on what Joe Biden has established.

Kamala Harris: The Future Is Now
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/kamala-har … ure-is-now

President Kamala Harris: Should she run as Biden’s vice president, or as the incumbent president?
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/president-kamala-harris

QuinnSlidr is a fervent and ardent Biden supporter. I would hazard a guess that QuinnSlidr's fealty is not actually to Joe Biden, but to truth, justice, and the better tomorrow that democracy promises. I would offer the suggestion that QuinnSlidr's inherent conviction is that America should be led by an elected president and not a dictator for life. I would posit that QuinnSlidr's true loyalty is to the American Dream.

I would hypothesize that QuinnSlidr's vote is not to a person, but to the belief that all people are created equal and imbued with certain inalienable rights, among them the right to life, liberty, happiness, and that James Brown is the godfather of soul -- and that QuinnSlidr will support the candidate who is best-positioned or least-opposing to that Dream -- whether that person is Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or somebody else.

Anyway.

Joe Biden:

Donald Trump. What a sick fuck.

What a fucking asshole the guy is.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/we … s-00139178

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On a tangent:

A fond remembrance of simpler times with Leslie and Joe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXNDKeVcwf4

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

I would like this to be the excuse Biden takes to drop out, but I don't know.  If he didn't drop out with the Parkinsons rumors, I don't think he'd drop out for this.

I haven't seen many polls with Harris doing better than Biden.  I wonder if the party could put together a giant fundraiser to seed a Shapiro/Whitmer ticket.  Shapiro is super popular in Pennsylvania, and Whitmer could help win Michigan.  If you get those two, you just need Wisconsin and NE-2 to win.  If you could launch with a huge $20-30 million event and then try to get as much free advertising as possible.  I don't know what they'd need to do to get Harris on board, but I still think if Biden resigned and Harris got to be president, even if for only a few months, it could work?

This seems to apply and conveys my opinion, and spares me the trouble of typing more:

Simon Rosenberg:

I hope this weekend the President and his team to do one more final assessment of the political landscape given the tumult of the past few weeks, review the latest data, talk one more time to party leaders, and perhaps most importantly, do one more final assessment of whether an 81 year old man who has been struggling a bit can, in the next four months, be both the President of the United States in a very challenging time and a successful candidate for President in a race we are not winning right now.

If the answer is yes I will be all in and work as I have, with all of you, to go win this thing for our democracy, our freedoms and our future.

And if the President chooses to pass the baton I will be all in and work as I have, with all of you, to go win this thing for our democracy, our freedoms and our future.

https://www.hopiumchronicles.com/p/vote … and-france

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

Oh dear God...

President Joe Biden has tested positive for Covid-19

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/17/politics … e-covid-19

From the White House:

President Biden is vaccinated, boosted, and he is experiencing mild symptoms following a positive COVID-19 test.

He will be returning to Delaware where he will self-isolate and will continue to carry out all of his duties fully during that time.

A note from the President's Doctor:

The President presented this afternoon with upper respiratory symptoms, to include rhinorhea (runny nose) and non-productive cough, with general mailaise. He felt okay for his first event of the day, but given that he was not feeling better, point of care testing for COVID-19 was conducted, and the results were positive for the COVID-19 virus.

Given this, the President will be self-isolating in accordance with CDC guidance for symptomatic individuals. 

PCR confirmation testing will be pending. His symptoms remain mild, his respiratory rate is normal at 16, his temperature is normal at 97.8 and his pulse oximetry is normal at 97%. The President has received his first dose of Paxlovid. He will be self-isolating at his home in Rehoboth.

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On Senate and House Maneuvers:

Senator Elizabeth Warren has explained how, if Democrats can regain even a narrow majority of the House and keep the Senate and White House, they can restore Roe v. Wade by filibuster suspension.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/477 … on-rights/

Why Polling is Off:

Individual swing state polls show Trump in the lead by 1 - 5 points.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 … ng-states/

Polls self-advertise as being within 3 - 5 points of error in either direction to begin with. But when was the last time anyone here answered a phone call from an unknown caller? Or reviewed a text from an unknown contact? What demographic even answers these polls?

Generally, it's older and more conservative respondents with a grudge to express and an axe to grind. 3 - 5 points, as a margin of error in 2024, seems far too low as a self-reported margin. The range of error is likely much higher and now weighted towards conservatism.

There's also the fact that after an event that diminishes enthusiasm for a party (like Biden's ghastly debate or Trump getting convicted), voters on one side or the other will respond less to polling queries. Then pollsters engage in some labyrinth mathematical gimcrackery to try to balance these slanted figures.

In the end, polls were repeatedly and increasingly wrong in 2016, 2018, 2020 and 2022. Hilary Clinton's lead in 2016 was within the realm of a 3 - 5 point polling error. Biden's lead in 2020 was overcounted by 1 percent while Trump's support was undercounted by about 3.3 percent. Why? Because in the severely anti-Trump environment of 2020, Trump voters were under-responding.

In 2022, the midterm elections anticipated, from polling, a massive red wave to wipe Democrats out. It didn't happen. Why?

Simon Rosenberg:

In 2022, there was an effort—and this has been documented again and again—by Republicans to flood the polling averages with bad polling, to push the polling averages to the right, which was then successful.

The entire political commentary in the final month before the election settled on the red wave. Shane Goldmacher wrote one in the New York Times.

I was mocked and attacked by Nate Silver, by Dave Wasserman, and by all these other folks.

Part of the reason I got the election right when almost nobody else did was that I separated out the Republican-heavy polling from the independent polling. And what we saw consistently is that, in the independent polling and independent-media polling, the election looked close and competitive.

So, if you wanted to see a close and competitive election, there was a lot of data backing that up. If you look at the averages, you’re going to be misled. You’re going to be misled about what’s happening. If you take out these Republican-funded polls, then the rest of the polling was pretty good.

And the critical thing to recognize is that the challenge we are having with polling right now is that it isn’t acknowledging the tension in the data. Not all the polling is saying the same thing.

People are just choosing one piece of the data, or are using averages. If you have one CNN poll with Trump up six points, and one ABC poll with Biden up five, the average is Trump up by one point. But neither of the polls actually say that.

The average creates a new reality that doesn’t exist in either of the two polls. You have to be more conservative about your judgment.

What we have to get beyond is the idea that there is an actual number where there is certainty about where the race is. That is fool’s gold.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/ … false-hope

Rosenberg's view in April was:

In 2022 when I weeded out the GOP polls I saw a close, competitive election. In 2024 when I weed out the GOP polls I see a close, competitive election.
https://www.hopiumchronicles.com/p/abor … ncouraging

Today, Rosenberg concedes that Trump has an advantage at present, but hardly an insurmountable one:

Simon Rosenberg:

We now have a few days of polling after the events of the weekend and the race remains remarkably stable, close and competitive (all polls can be found on 538).

Biden remains 2 points down on 538’s average. The Congressional Generic is back in positive territory and has been encouraging for us these past few weeks. Senate polling continues to hold. We’ve had polls this week with Biden up in MI and WI and down just 2 in NC.

As we discussed yesterday, JD Vance may be good for Trump’s fundraising, but he is not good for him electorally. The 538 forecast this morning has Biden at 277.

Here’s the RNC Chair yesterday saying “there is no red wave.” For there isn’t, and Rs got heavily burned by their bullshit polls and wishful thinking in 2022. The election is remarkably stable, close and competitive, with Trump, perhaps, having a slight advantage.

From my read over the last few weeks the Trump campaign understands they have a lot of work to do to win. They know they are not at 270 Electoral College votes in current polling.

I am optimistic we can win this November; but if the President is going to win he is going to need to do far more to assuage the legitimate doubts many Democrats have about his candidacy, and all of us will have to come together soon, for a divided, fractious Democratic Party will lose the 2024 election.

https://www.hopiumchronicles.com/p/vote … and-france

On Biden:

Bernie Sanders is a cantankerous old crank. As a cantankerous old crank myself, Bernie is my standard bearer. Bernie is standing by Biden.

Bernie Sanders on Biden:

I think people should see as a very positive thing, is that despite the disastrous debate, my understanding in looking at these polls is he’s not any worse off today than he was before.

Which tells me that there are a lot of people who are not enthusiastic about voting for Donald Trump.

And given these really horrific several weeks that Biden has had since the debate, where Democrats are busy attacking him, the media is busy attacking him, if he’s not any worse off today than he was before the debate, I think that he has a very good chance to win.

I have been critical of the Biden campaign—above and beyond the debate, which everybody understands was a disaster.

The truth of the matter is Biden’s record, in my view, is the strongest record of any President in modern American history.

The American people are hurting. Sixty per cent of our people live paycheck to paycheck. Young people are worried, appropriately, about climate change; women are worried about their reproductive rights.

What the President has got to do is get out there and say, “You know what? You reëlect me, give me a Democratic House, give me a Democratic Senate, and let me tell you what we’re going to do.”

Did you happen to hear the speech in Detroit on Friday? I thought that was, between you and me, an excellent speech.

Biden's Speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqLj917Qu3c

And I think it was the kind of speech that he needs to take all over this country.

He talked about an agenda for the first hundred days, which speaks to the needs of a long-forgotten working class in this country. And he’s prepared to take on powerful special interests. If he does that, he’s going to win this election.

I’m not aware that anyone thinks that Joe Biden is the best candidate in the history of the world, or that he’s an ideal candidate, and nobody will argue with you that he has a... [trails off]

He admitted it. Sometimes he gets confused about names. You’re right—sometimes he doesn’t put three sentences together. It is true.

But the reality of the moment is, in my view, he is the best candidate the Democrats have for a variety of reasons, and trying, in an unprecedented way, to take him off the ticket would do a lot more harm than good.

I would much prefer to have somebody who can’t put three sentences together who is setting forth an agenda that speaks to the needs of working-class people: raising the minimum wage, making it easier for workers to join unions, dealing with the existential threat of climate change, protecting women’s reproductive rights, building millions of units of affordable housing.

The American people are not stupid and they understand that substance matters.

They understand what you have accomplished and what you want to accomplish is enormously important.

If you want to make the case that Biden is not the perfect candidate for a dozen different reasons, go ahead, and you’re right, but, tell me, you’ve got a better path forward?

I don’t think you do, because I don’t think there is a better path forward.

I think he is the best candidate, and I think if he runs a strong, effective campaign focused on the needs of the working class of this country, he will win.

And I think there’s a chance he could win big.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/ … n-the-race

Choose Your Opponent:

As a Canadian, my opinion doesn't mean much in terms of an actual vote. I am not all in on Biden. But I am all in on democracy.

Voting is not about choosing our standard bearer. More often, voting is about choosing your preferred opponent. Let's say all the leaks about Biden's diminishment are true and not weighted against him.

Who do you think is more likely to pressure into meaningful values and action when it comes to international war, manage foreign relations, respond to future pandemics, battle for a fairer tax code, advocate for women's health, relieve medical debt and resist corporate gouging in farming, pharmaceuticals, guns and technology?

What has Donald Trump ever really done for anyone in or out of office that made anyone else's life better?

I remember how in 2020, Twitter was filled with accounts of Trump settling random strangers' health and housing bills, none shared by the supposed recipients of his generosity because these stories were obviously all lies, many perpetuated by a former member of this community who clearly went insane.

President Joe Biden is good at his job. He ended the war in Afghanistan, disastrously, but it ended. He signed the American Rescue Plan that kept progress on jobs and wages. He brought child poverty to a record low by expanding the child tax credit (it's expired and he hopes to renew it permanently).

He signed $370 billion towards fighting climate change and $280 billion into US semiconductor manufacturing and an inclusive science, technology, engineering and mathematics workforce. He released intelligence of Russia's invasion plans for Ukraine to prevent Russia from claiming the war was provoked and united the G7 nations in sanctions while defending Ukraine.

He mobilized the mass vaccination campaign against COVID-19 and shots became available at any pharmacy within months. The Canadian prime minister was unable to do the same with Biden's speed and drive.

Biden rebuilt America as the leader of the free world after Donald Trump turned away. He secured marriage protections for same-sex and interracial couples and ensured transgender Americans could access supports and services. He confirmed the first Black woman to the Supreme Court, decriminalized soft drugs, and four out of five people can find medical insurance now for $10 a month or less.

He spun the mangled, "Let's Go Brandon" attack into the hilarious and absurd "Dark Brandon" meme.

But Joe Biden is a problematic person and I am not in favour of hagiography. He has a lengthy and troubling history of inappropriately touching women and smelling their hair because he is from a generation that was taught to see women as commodities instead of human beings. He's confronted it. He's changed it.

As president, he supplied weapons to Israel in a war that has targeted civilians, justifying it by hoping that complicity in war will enable contributing to the peace. He permitted the murder of Jamal Khashoggi to go unchallenged and maintained friendship with Mohammed bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, to maintain the oil-dependent US economy. So, he is a politician.

He was, in his youth and adulthood, a loudmouth and a bully and a plagiarist. He was a coward who refused to pursue justice for Anita Hill because he feared the Supreme Court and Clarence Thomas. Two of his children are drug addicts which speaks to a serious failure of parenting.

These are all dark and glaring flaws in a glowing career of public service. But the Joe Biden of 2020 to 2024 is an older and more measured man who has a lot to offer this world.

Joe Biden:

My son, like a lot of people you know at home, had a drug problem. He's overtaken it. He's fixed it. He's worked on it. And I'm proud of him.

I'm proud of my son.

He may mumble and he may shuffle and he may struggle to elucidate. But he has fought for unions, for working class people, for diabetics, for seniors, for veterans, for students, for the environment and he is clearly open and eager for new ideas and willing to change to face new challenges.

He has done terrible things and accepted the political and personal cost in the hopes that America would be better positioned to survive and lead the peace. He has adopted new ideas and updated his values to meet a the challenges of a changing world.

Ultimately, if you believe in democracy and that voters should choose their leaders and that the middle class is vital to America, then Joe is at the very least, the barely-tolerable option over the disastrous option.

A vote for Donald Trump is a vote to have no more voting.

That said -- I respect that Temporal Flux has the right to believe in term limits, and he has the right to write his father's name on the ballot. Some might write in Jill Stein or Andrew Yang. I would consider that a neutral act.

Joe Biden is not my standard bearer. His record is too troubled for that. I don't much care for who he used to be. But I do mostly like the Joe Biden I've seen since 2019. And if I were choosing my opponent, I would choose Joe Biden.

Joe Biden:

Donald Trump. What a sick fuck.

What a fucking asshole the guy is.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/we … s-00139178

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Biden did a nice interview here with Speedy Moran, unscripted, filmed before the shooting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJP2zlH2nt8

Biden's thoughts are very interesting and far more worthwhile than aggrieved rants from tedious bores who can't read polls or anything other than clickbait headlines to fuel self-important rantings.

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Well, I've given you my theory:
https://sliders.tv/bboard/viewtopic.php … 945#p15945

Biden's own answers:

Joe Biden:

I am the nominee. I'm the nominee because 14 million Democrats like you voted for him in the primaries. You made me the nominee. No one else. Not the press, not the pundits, not the insiders, not donors. You, the voters.

I'm the nominee of the Democratic Party, and the only Democrat or Republican who has beaten Donald Trump ever. And I'm going to beat him again. I know him. Donald Trump is a loser.

President Trump is even more dangerous now. I'm serious. He's unhinged. He's snapped. And he refuses this time around to say he'll accept the results of this election. Can you imagine that? Look, he says, if he loses, there will be a bloodbath.

And the United States Supreme Court said there's virtually no limit on the power of a president. Trump said if he wins, he'll be a dictator on day one.

Folks, Project 2025 is the biggest attack on our system of government and our personal freedom that has ever been proposed in the history of this country. And here's the nightmare it would what it would unleash.

Trump's Project 2025 will criminalize the shipping of abortion medications anywhere. Project 2025 will deploy the Department of Justice to prosecute Trump's enemies. A campaign of revenge and retribution. Eliminate the civil service. Hire tens of thousands of civil servants that are running only because they support Trump. They have to take a loyalty oath to Trump. Folks, that's not the United States of America.

It goes on for 900 pages. We've never seen anything like this. And it's not a joke.

Today, I'm going to start by laying out the first 100 days of my second term. Here it is.

The first bill I'm going to introduce will restore Roe v. Wade to make the law of the land.

I will sign the John Lewis Voting Rights Act and the Freedom to Vote Act. We're going to stop Trump from cutting Social Security and Medicare. We'll expand and strengthen Social Security, Medicare. Here's how we're going to do it: by making the rich pay their fair share.

We're going to end medical debt. By that I mean, we've already made sure medical debt can no longer be put on your credit report. We're going to raise the federal minimum wage. We're going to pass the PRO Act and end union busting once and for all. And I'm going to ban assault weapons again. I did it once. I'm going to do it again.

No one making less than $400,000 will pay a penny more in federal taxes. I don't know many people making $400,000, and I know there is no one here, but I want to be clear that I wasn't going to be taxing anyone who was a working man or anything close.

We're going to make billionaires, a thousand in America since the pandemic, pay a minimum income of 25 percent. You know what they pay now? 8.2 percent. What a joke. I'm not making this up because no billionaire should pay a lower tax rate than a teacher, a firefighter, a nurse. That would generate $500 billion in revenue over the next ten years, allowing us to do more for child care, elder care, bring down federal deficit, and do so much more.

My first hundred days of the second term is going to continue to be all about working people in this nation.

I don't work for big oil. I don't work for Big Pharma. I don't work for the National Rifle Association. I work for you. The American people.

Everyone in America is entitled to a fair shot. No guarantees. But a fair shot.

I know I look 40 years old. I'm a little bit older. Hopefully with age comes a little wisdom.

And here's what I know.

I know how to tell the truth.

I know right from wrong.

I know how and I demonstrate how to do this job.

I know Americans want a president, not a dictator.

Joe Biden:

I think the United States and the world is at an inflection point when the things that happen in the next several years are gonna determine what the next six, seven decades are gonna be like. And who's gonna be able to hold NATO together like me? Who's gonna be able to be in a position where I'm able to keep the Pacific Basin in a position where we're-- we're at least checkmating China now? Who's gonna-- who's gonna do that? Who has that reach?

And this is true. Biden is the only one who's ever defeated Trump. And Biden's proficiency at foreign relations is simply unmatched because of his decades of experience, relationships, service. Biden is good at politics. Really, really good. But when it comes to unscripted, live television performances, Biden has lost several steps.

Look at him here addressing NAACP today. With his teleprompter and with the energy of a crowd, Biden is on fire as he speaks to the vitality and importance of black people in America: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrQZYb9q_Yk

But unscripted, Biden can't seem to summon his booming voice. Ronald Reagan's favourite speechwriter has a theory on that:

Ken Khachigian:

What strikes me as ineffective is that they’ve got him glued to the teleprompter. I call it the tyranny of the teleprompter. And what I don’t understand is that Biden was a master of the Senate. The Senate is a debating society, and Joe Biden had years and years of experience debating without notes and being very verbal and everything else, and all of a sudden they put him into the presidency and glued him to a teleprompter.

I think they’ve taken away his self-confidence to a great degree. I saw a few weeks back where he talked to the WNBA champions from last year — it was no more than a three-minute talk in the East Room of the White House — and they had him talking with a teleprompter, and that could have been done just with a few moments of preparation in the Oval Office, saying, ‘Here are the folks, and here are a couple of names you ought to mention.’ I think they’ve chained him to a teleprompter all through the years, and he’s become so accustomed to that he’s lost his flair for the extemporaneous.

He also says the presidency is hard to let go.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ … n-00168456

Is Biden the only one who can beat Trump? Given campaign finance law, it's either Biden or it's Kamala.

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I am really worried about Biden. In his speech about lowering the temperature of politics, he kept trying to say "ballot box", and it kept coming out as "battle box."

I am worried about how it plays to voters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOPJdEYX3ZQ

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Biden called the family of the man murdered at Trump's rally. The widow refused to take the call.

Trump hasn't called the family at all.

I am less than shocked.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-j … ly-1925577

What a sociopath.

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Biden's live interview with Lester Holt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUSmk1SqEu8

Biden is pretty fired up. And when asked what effect the shooting would have on the election:

Joe Biden:

I don’t know. And you don’t know either.

A bit of a tangent: James Bamford, who directed many, many, many episodes of ARROW and established the overall visual style of the show (heightened, exaggerated superhero fantasy) directed a movie called AIR FORCE ONE DOWN. This is a very silly yet incredibly self-serious direct to streaming film about Secret Service Agent Allison Miles (played by Katherine McNamara who was Oliver's daughter Mia on ARROW) who has to defend the President of the United States (Ian Bohen) when Air Force One is hijacked and Allison and the president have to parachute into hostile territory.

Bamford is an amazing TV director who seems be working on a maybe $5 million budget and Bamford capably makes it look like a $10 million movie, filmed in Bulgaria, using stock footage and greenscreen backgrounds to create the feeling of Washington, DC and TV quality sets to show a somewhat spartan but adequate Air Force One interior.

Bamford added a real sense of myth and legend and a larger than life quality to ARROW, and AIR FORCE ONE DOWN attempts to do the same with sweeping shots of the White House, of Air Force One, of the president's motorcade... while keeping shots angled to avoid having to show too many cars or extras, and with a booming orchestral based score to convey reverence and importance to America's political landmarks. This style, applied to superhero costumes and combat, seemed joyfully fantastic; applied to US fixtures, it seems... awkwardly jingoistic.

There's a crisp efficiency to this movie as character names are established in onscreen text. There's a lot of silliness that seems fine on ARROW but absurd in a more 'realistic' situation such as the absurd ease with which terrorists infiltrate Air Force One.

But I am mostly watching for the combat, to watch Katherine McNamara's Allison Miles dodge, punch, kick, roll, leap, dive and beat the hell out of angry men in all the ways I wished we could have seen her do on that GREEN ARROW AND THE CANARIES series that didn't get picked up. There is a terrifying savagery to McNamara's action sequences where she tears apart villains in a way that the CW would never have been willing to broadcast.

There's an insane sequence where Miles alone guns down what has to be 40 soldiers as she storms through an enemy base and conveniently, no one ever comes at her from behind while her back is turned, all in an attempt at one prolonged tracking shot with cuts masked by morphing or strobing lights or McNamara's hair whipping past the camera.

Also interestingly, Bamford insists on letting Miles get injured and slowed, whereas ARROW's superheroes could take blow after blow and never miss a step. Bamford making McNamara's character endure injury and pain adds a sense of peril for Miles that Mia Smoak never had.

If you ever wonder what the ARROW house style of direction would look like on a non DC property, AIR FORCE ONE DOWN is probably it. It's comes off as a ridiculously self-important B-movie... but still kind of fun.

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Simon Rosenberg:

Democracies resolve differences at the ballot box and not with bullets.

I have no idea how the shooting will impact this election, or what happens next.

Polls conducted last week found the election close and competitive, with neither side having a clear advantage. Today Biden is at 270 Electoral College votes in the 538 forecast despite lingering and legitimate concerns about his candidacy.

As I said in my video overview of the election from late last week we can and should win this election, but we need to stay together and not give into fear, factionalism or red wavy Trump has superpowers thinking.

https://www.hopiumchronicles.com/p/the- … mp-remains

I am grateful for an honest, humble claim of "I have no idea" from the man who saw through the false illusion of the 2022 red wave and a note that current polls are based on pre-assassination attempt data.

I would rather have an admission of not having answers yet over boorish "The election is over" rants from manic loudmouths who think clickbait headlines grant comprehensive understanding. Who offer not insight or knowledge, but egotistical boasts that the world will always unfold to their personal prejudices and offhand assumptions.

I have the humility to say I am not sure how things will unfold. The world doesn't always go the way I think it will. Things could get worse. I'm scared.

But getting shot is not a presidential duty, Trump is deranged and there are so many crazies and tribalists who'll vote for that nutjob, and the election is over after November 5, 2024 and not before.

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"The election is over based on this recent headline" claims are not analysis, regardless of who they come from. They are musings of manic-depressives with myopic focus on whatever was last in their line of sight without genuine analysis of the surrounding political landscape. They are narratives from pundits seeking to shape a narrative to a conclusion of their preference via hyperfocus on sensationalistic events. But they are not good-faith, genuine examinations of the situation.

References to Biden's terrible polls, in this environment, are meaningless without specifying precisely which polls and whose aggregates, given how Republicans have flooded polling with slanted results to throw off the averages.

Even if Trump wins, that doesn't make these manic or sensationalized predictions meaningful; they had a 50-50 chance of being right already.

Getting shot is not a presidential duty. Trump is an unsympathetic and unrepentant fool who has repeatedly incited violence; his being targeted is a grim irony of the monstrosity he unleashed himself, much like Trump getting COVID after months of COVID-denialism and COVID-minimization. He will not be able to capitalize on sympathy due to his repulsive and deranged public profile.

Democrats have silenced their calls for Biden to step down and muted their anti-Trump ads for a week, maybe two. Democrats have a new opportunity to turn the page on Biden's age and focus on the violence that Trump encourages and from which he can't protect himself. The Republican convention will put Trump's sociopathic intentions back into focus from Project 2025 to his violent threats. This madness is why Trump's support has a low ceiling. Is it enough to win? Yes. Is it insurmountable? No.

Donald Trump could win in November, but it's hardly a certainty in a race that remains in a dead heat if you set aside Republican-skewed polling averages and clickbait headlines. Biden stumbles and gaffes often. Biden is an excellent politician who has repeatedly proven his naysayers wrong and has a steady, strategic approach. Certainly, I'd prefer Kamala Harris at the top of the ticket, but Biden's lengthy list of legislative wins and grandfatherly demeanor are preferable to a sociopath no matter how many times that sociopath gets shot.

Polls aren't elections. Getting shot is not getting more votes.

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I bet if we had a dollar for every time a certain someone has yelled, "The election is over," to anyone in earshot in his life based on whichever way the wind was blowing that week, we could buy NBCUniversal, reboot SLIDERS and uncancel QUANTUM LEAP.

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Christopher Bouzy is very interesting. I'd never heard of him until today. He is a computer scientist, statistician and analyst. He is of the Simon Rosenberg school that poll aggregates and averages have been totally thrown off by unreliable Republican polls throwing off the polling.

Bouzy also observes: Trump's voter support has a ceiling. There are only so many voters who wholeheartedly support this looney tune, there are only so many voters who will grit their teeth and vote for said looney tune out of tribalistic party loyalty, and Trump's 2016 victory was an extremely close and narrow win who got lucky from being something of an unknown quantity whose unknown future impact on America was considered more appealing than Clinton's empty, soulless campaign that made too many Democrats stay home or vote for Jill Stein or Joe the Tiger Guy.

This time, Trump is an extremely known quantity. That ceiling on Trump's support, Bouzy points out, has only gotten lower since 2016, with Republicans repeatedly underperforming and failing in 2017, 2020 and 2022. Bouzy says that anyone who claims "the election is over" based on Trump getting shot is just skimming headlines and ignorantly blind to the reality of American politics.

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Even without that, I would note that anyone foretelling the outcome of a situation with only two possible outcomes based on self-proclaimed prescience regarding one event is engaged in sensationalization, not analysis or observation.

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I despise Donald Trump.

Attempting to assassinate him is a foolish and destructive act that only emboldens and encourages the brand of violence and hatred that Trump himself encourages.

It's wrong on every level. It's wrong on a moral level to use lethal force on someone who isn't physically and immediately attacking you.

It's wrong on an ethical level because we don't want America to be a place where murder dictates elections whether it's on one side or the other.

It's wrong on a strategic level because it enables people who are either crazy, ignorant, dishonest, foolish, or some combination of all four, to turn Trump into a figure of sympathy and gives his cause further militance and make inane claims like "the election is over".

Trying to kill Trump isn't just morally and ethically wrong. It demonstrates an utterly incompetent sense of political strategy. It's wrong.

It's also stupid.