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I don't dislike Harris. I have no strong opinion about her as a person or even as vice president. As president I'm sure I would have agreed with her sometimes and disagreed with her other times, much as I do with any president.

She wasn't a strong candidate and was ill-prepared to ascend to the top of the ticket in the manner that she did. I'll agree that the Democrats were left in an impossible situation. There was no obvious solution to the bind Biden left them in.

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I absolutely think Biden should have never run for another term. They needed a robust primary contest to assure they got the best candidate.

Harris getting handed the nomination may have been the Democrats only option at that point, but it hurt them in November. She didn't get the vetting that a primary front runner gets, so when Trump came after her it was all new to the public and she didn't have a response ready.

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I didn't say anything about it being taken from Biden. He gave it up voluntarily. It was given to Harris, and not by primary voters. Her name was "attached" to his as an emergency backup. That's not the same as considering her as the actual candidate.

Why isn't pilight running the DNC?

Presumably because he's not a Democrat. He's not a Republican either.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

This sums up my "Democrats need to reach stupid voters to win" argument.

There are plenty of stupid people who voted for the Democrats. What they needed was a candidate who had been chosen by Democratic voters, not in some backroom deal.

I'm on the other side of the country

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Democrats absolutely need to quit acting like they're smarter than Republicans and independents.  It's not true, and it alienates undecided voters. Also, they should quit telling people that they're voting against their own interests when they have no knowledge of what the people's interests are.

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Indeed, it was Nancy Pelosi who first talked about "draining the swamp" back during the GW Bush administration

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4627680/ … hington-dc

That's why framing Trump as a threat to the system was an approach doomed to failure.  An awful lot of people want to destroy the current system because it doesn't serve them.

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ireactions wrote:

Salon thinks it's ignorance and a Republican-dominated media landscape. Americans' media diet consists of Republican propaganda and influencers that don't provide facts on how Trump's policies would take away minimum wage and health care.

Salon has been heavily influenced by the Democrat-dominated mainstream media.  ABC, NBC, CBS, and all their various affiliates couldn't have been more determined to paint the race the way the Democrats wanted.  We heard about Trump taking away minimum wage and health care last time he was elected, when he had a Republican congress behind him.  None of it happened.

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ireactions wrote:

We might also start discussing the likelihood of Trump even making it through his second term. He's not healthy.

That's unlikely.  We haven't had a president or ex-president die before they turned 90 in decades.  We haven't had one die in office in 60+ years.  We haven't had one die in office without getting assassinated in more than 80.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

I think the identity politics needs to stop, but I think it's more about Republican perception of identity politics than anything else.

Not the Republican perception, but the public perception.  Very few people give a damn about those issues in the affirmative, most people don't care.  They really don't care when they're struggling to put food on the table. Harris didn't really campaign on that, but Trump campaigned against it and had plenty of past footage of Harris to work with, not to mention clips from The Breakfast Club with Charlamagne Tha God and DJ Envy sharply disagreeing with Harris.

Harris let Trump stick her the fringe issue box.  The tag line "Kamala is for they/them, Donald Trump is for you" was brutally effective.

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The Electoral College is arcane, but irrelevant to this election.  Trump won the popular vote.

The Founding Fathers would have all been behind Trump in this election.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:
pilight wrote:

The Electoral College was a compromise to give slave states more power.

The Founding Fathers absolutely intended for wealthy white men like Trump to be in charge, because that's who they were.

Well, yeah.  Of course.  Almost every one of our presidents has been a rich white man.  But you cannot argue that the vast majority of Trump's voters are the people the Founding Fathers thought were too stupid to vote.  And they were right.

A huge portion of Harris voters are people the Founding Fathers literally prohibited from voting.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

It is funny that the same people that love to defend the Electoral College are the same exact people who the Founding Fathers thought were too stupid to let vote.  It was literally created because the framers thought they were too uninformed to vote.

250 years later, nothing has changed.


The Electoral College was a compromise to give slave states more power.

The Founding Fathers absolutely intended for wealthy white men like Trump to be in charge, because that's who they were.

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QuinnSlidr wrote:
pilight wrote:

She didn't say any of that.  She let Trump hammer away with a very effective ad that made it seem like it was a high priority for her.  It put her in the identity politics box that makes people not vote for Democrats.  Politics is perception.  It doesn't matter what the truth is, it matters what people think the truth is.

I don't think that people believing in fiction aka FOX News should be given a chance to vote. So no, it shouldn't matter what people think the truth is.

Perhaps not, but that's democracy.

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

Once again, nothing adds up.

The problem is that it's 2020 that's way out of whack.  2016, 137M votes, 2024 is still being counted but looks to be in that same area.  2020 had 158M votes.  There's never been a jump like that from one election to the next.

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She didn't say any of that.  She let Trump hammer away with a very effective ad that made it seem like it was a high priority for her.  It put her in the identity politics box that makes people not vote for Democrats.  Politics is perception.  It doesn't matter what the truth is, it matters what people think the truth is.

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Harris wasn't vetted like a primary favorite would be.  She never would have gone unopposed if Biden had declared he wasn't running a year ago, like he should have.  Trump pounded her non-stop with that clip of her supporting publicly funded sex changes for prisoners and she didn't even try to respond.  If she'd been through the primary process that would have come out sooner and either she'd have found an answer or someone else would be the nominee.

Trump may not be a great candidate, but he's been thoroughly vetted.  We know what his nonsense is.  There was nothing like that to come out and make anyone think Trump wasn't the guy we knew he was.

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Dems ran a weak candidate, untested by primaries, and paid the price.

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I voted! That means I won't see any more political ads, right?

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I have no idea what local NYC news is reporting, but in the real world violent crime rates in NYC are down.

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Bail reform is not soft on crime.  If a crime is serious enough to hold someone prior to trial, fine.  If it's not, fine.  There is no situation in which a crime is serious enough to hold someone unless they have money to buy their way out.

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Trump will run again in four years if he loses.  These campaigns have been a gold mine for him.

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

She also has energy over Trump. I can't wait to see both of them in a debate, actually. She will destroy him.

I remember her being good in the first primary debate in 2020 when nobody was attacking her, then not so good in the second when Tulsi Gabbard truth bombed her about her prosecutorial record.

With Trump's rambling, she can look good just by being coherent.  One thing that got lost in Biden's awful debate performance was that Trump was plenty bad himself.

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It's  not about the amount of time, it's about the process.  Democrats will see it as a bait and switch.  Biden says he's running all through the primaries so there's no real opposition then drops out right before the convention, assuring Harris is the only one with organization enough to secure the nomination.  Dem voters will feel they didn't get the opportunity to choose the candidate they wanted through the democratic primary process and a lot of them will either stay home or protest vote for the Greens or someone.  All the talk about "threat to democracy" will ring very hollow when you subvert the democratic process to hand pick a nominee that many will feel couldn't get the nomination any other way.

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I'm not crazy about Harris but I would prefer her over Biden.  But it's too late in the cycle to make a move, IMO.  They should have been talking Biden out of running again a year ago or more.

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"Secure borders"

The man couldn't secure a stage he was standing on...

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The thing about the CEO donations is false, like most Facebook memes.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac … 407354007/

There are no records that any of the executives referred to in the post donated directly to Trump’s presidential campaigns.

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Biden got better as the presser wore on.

My opinion is unchanged.  Biden doesn't have four good years left in him.  He shouldn't be running.

Trump has never had four good years and he's well past his prime.  Plus he's a crook.  He shouldn't be running either.

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This press conference is not helping Biden.

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Even if you think Biden is OK now, do you think he'll remain OK for the next four years?  He should not be running.

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I'm not sure why more people are decided on Harris/Trump than Biden/Trump, but that seems to be the case.

I assume you're looking for a more complicated answer than "race"

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These are Democrats.  It will never be as smooth as that.  If Biden steps aside as nominee they'll go into the convention without one and sort it out there.

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The decision comes from asking the wrong question.  Of course officials have to have some level of immunity for official acts.  The question needs to be 'what constitutes an official act'?

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Any Democrat with a pulse would win this election.  Naturally they're running somebody who doesn't have one.

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Here I was bumbling around earth62 looking for it

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What's right or wrong for most people, if such a thing can be determined, may not be for you.  Don't take medical advice from an online doctor, a TV doctor, or any doctor that hasn't examined you.  Find a local doctor you trust, get looked at, and ask them about concerns you have.

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It's not hard to see why people are ignoring Trump's prattle.

The crazy things he says?  Politicians say crazy things all the time.

Egomania?  You can't run for president without it.  Anyone who believes they're suited to govern this crazy country has to be an egomaniac.

Threats?  Empty nonsense.  He spent all of 2016 saying "lock her up".  Did he do it as president?  No, he didn't even try.

There are legitimate reasons to not want Biden as president and many see Trump as the only realitic alternative.

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Quiet On The Set was interesting.  They didn't quite make the case against Schneider.

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Grizzlor wrote:

1. I don't see what the Supreme Court is doing?  There was a case decades ago in which it was found in Nixon vs. Fitzgerald that the President cannot be sued for official acts, but could be prosecuted.


This court has no respect for precedent.

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It's tricky to protest what Israel is doing without some pro-Palestine stuff creeping in.  Israel's offensive is so over the top they've made Hamas sympathetic, not an easy task.

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Hispanics are not liberal by default.  They're mostly catholic, thus anti-abortion, and have learned from bitter experience to mistrust centralized government.  The more settled they become the less likely they are to vote Democratic.

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It doesn't matter, he's not gonna pay because he knows they won't do anything to him.  It's the Alex Jones thing all over again.

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People buy into the false narrative about throwing their vote away, as if voting for someone who doesn't support what you support is doing something constructive with it.

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Kennedy won't pull enough votes to matter

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There are World War II veterans that still don't trust the Japanese or the Germans

Not many.  The youngest WWII vets are in their upper 90s.  We're closer in time to the 22nd century than we are to WWII.

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The effort to remove Trump from the ballot is going nowhere.  I listened to the oral arguments before the court and will be shocked if the vote is not 8-1 or 9-0 in Trump's favor.  The justices clearly believe section 3 of the 14th Amendment gives congress, not the states, the authority to disqualify someone and that an actual finding that someone engaged in an insurrection, either through a court finding them guilty under the federal insurrection statute or through congressional investigation, is required before any such disqualification may occur.

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Biden had also run several times before and consistently done poorly in the primaries.  Sitting vice presidents don't typically do very well.  Only one has been elected more recently than Martin Van Buren.

There's also the history of not electing Democrats to replace other Democrats.  Last time the US elected a Democrat with a different Democrat in the White House was 1856 and his term went about as badly as a presidency can go.

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The DNC didn't want Obama when they got him.  They wanted Hillary Clinton in 2008.

Harris won't get an unopposed run in 2028 unless she's already president.

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Why doesn't CNN or Fox or News Nation interview enthusiastic Biden voters?

Are there any?  I know plenty of Democrats and not one is enthusiastic about Biden.

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They make every election seem like the end of the world, but it's not.

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Is it an issue?  It is for cash-strapped cities like New York or Chicago, which never setup this kind of situation, as it hasn't affected them.

They shouldn't have declared themselves "sanctuary cities" if they weren't prepared to back it up.

In other news, idiot Trump was slapped with $83 million judgement for continuing to de-fame E. Jean Carroll.  His lawyer, Alina Habba, who would have been right at home in Sliders episode "The Young and the Relentless," stupidly left nothing to actually appeal on, so that will go nowhere.  Does he have this money?  Will he actually pay it?  Good question.

It doesn't matter how much a court orders him to pay.  He won't cough up a cent because he knows no judge has the guts to put him in jail for not doing it.  He never paid the five million from the last case he lost to Carroll.

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It doesn't matter how much a court orders him to pay.  He won't cough up a cent because he knows no judge has the guts to put him in jail for not doing it.

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Anyone who knew anything about Harlan Ellison would have predicted him suing or at least threatening to.  He was very protective of his work and known to be litigious.

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A substantial portion of the people who voted for Trump in the last two elections don't love him or even like him.  They just vote Republican no matter who it is.  A similar number do that for the Democrats.  Most people don't think that hard about their vote, they just pick team red or team blue.

‘From Scratch’ Creators Set Up Next Show: ‘Bluebird, Bluebird’

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv … 235792095/

The drama, which does not yet have a network/platform attached, revolves around Darren Mathews, a Black Texas Ranger who is deeply ambivalent about growing up Black in the lone star state and was the first in his family to get as far away from Texas as he could — until duty called him home.

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Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line

It's easy to envision a number of ways to get the core four back together with or without continuity of the later seasons.  It's harder to justify the characters in-universe as still sliding after all these years.  At some point they would find a suitable world and stay there.  Or they'd be too traumatized for the typical TV handwaving to be believable.  Or they'd be so alien after decades of alternate worlds that they wouldn't recognize their home world and it wouldn't recognize them.  Or they would have just accepted sliding as a lifestyle and given up on having a permanent residence.  It's impossible to imagine them 30 years on thinking the next slide will be the one that gets them home.

The sad truth is that Tracy Torme's death probably improves the chances of a Sliders reboot.  It almost certainly ends whatever vain hope might have existed for a continuation with the original cast.

Today is a sad day

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Grizzlor wrote:

"can't have an 80 year old sitting in jail," I'm sure Charles Manson would have agreed!

Anybody too old to go to jail is too old to be president