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ireactions wrote:

The issue is that fascist alt-right Republicans don't want "election integrity." They want to use procedural methods to declare themselves the winner of any election regardless of how many votes they get. They don't want voter ID because if everyone could vote, they'd lose.

I don't think 74 million Americans are alt-right or fascist just because they voted for Trump.  People could vote for Trump for any number of reasons, and I don't think it's all intertwined.  If you're very wealthy, voting for Trump would make you money.  You could hate the guy and still vote for him if it benefits you.

And while the Republican Party might not want voter ID, Republicans do.  So if the Democrats put out a bill for that includes the voter ID that Republicans want, I think the Republican Party would have to go along with it.  If the Republican Party doesn't want it, it'd be calling their bluff and it would make it very difficult to call voter BS ever again.

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Pretty sure it's the Democrats who don't want to require voter ID, as such requirements tend to discriminate against minorities and the poor

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pilight wrote:

Pretty sure it's the Democrats who don't want to require voter ID, as such requirements tend to discriminate against minorities and the poor

Correct.  But if the choice is "leave things as they are and hope enough people show up and everything goes the way it's supposed to" or "work your ass off to get everyone a voter ID in an election that will be systematically fair otherwise", why would you select the first one?

If you end the filibuster and you don't hold the House or the Senate, any legislation you pass is dead before 2024.  If you don't offer the Republicans anything, you won't get the votes and you'll have wasted your opportunity.

Find the best worst plan and pass it.  Or you better be right that the system will hold.

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Despite the rhetoric, there's very little fraud that will be prevented by voter ID.  Impersonating individual voters at the polls is the least efficient way to affect elections.  Anyone with enough resources to do it enough to matter can (and will) use better methods to achieve their goal.

The actual verified voter fraud in recent elections hasn't been anything that would be stopped by voter ID.  It's stuff like this...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/us/p … boxes.html

or this...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-caro … legations/

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Oh I know.  I'm just saying voter ID is a hot button issue for Republicans.  It's trending on twitter right now.  If you add voter ID to a bill, Republican voters will make sure it passes as long as there isn't anything overwhelmingly negative or socialist in it.  You have to give them what you want and make the rest of the bill clean and on topic.

But these days, no one thinks about the compromise even though, again, this is an issue that both sides say they want.  So do it.  And once the election is secure, you can worry about getting people IDs.  But if the election isn't secure, who cares about anything else?  You could get 100% of the vote and they'll legally overturn it.

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I meant to type that Republicans don't want "universal voter ID accessible to any and all." I apologize for the typo.

I meant to say that the Republicans who don't want "universal voter ID accessible to any and all" are the fascist alt-right wing of Republicans that have come to dominate Republican representation in media and politics, not Republicans in general. I apologize for the... well. I apologize.

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Yeah.  There's a somewhat-reasonable Republican that I follow (we were connected via a non-political common interest) that I *long since* muted but still follow because I like to know the hot button issues that are making people like him mad.  And he's somewhat reasonable so it's not yelling at clouds.  But he and people like him are constantly yelling about voter ID.  If the Democrats offered it in the form they want, it'll get done.  No Republican would be able to survive voting down a bill that hardcoded voter ID (again, as long as the Democrats' ask is reasonable).

And, along with it, at least *something* that Democrats could use to secure elections would pass.

To me, it depends on how dire you think the situation is.  Would you be willing to take one minor step back to potentially fix elections for the foreseeable future?  Or we can just trust that, even with the stuff Republican state legislatures are doing, the system will hold.

We can get voter IDs to everyone.  It might be hard or take Stacey Abrams-like activism in every state.  But we can get it done.  It's already the law a lot of places.  In my opinion, it's a very simple price to pay

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The lead actor of GOTHAM, Ben McKenzie (Gordon) has a regular column on Slate.com regarding cryptocurrency and celebrity endorsements of cryptocurrency and celebrity sales of non-fungible tokens.

McKenzie thinks it's a massive scam and that celebrities are leveraging their followings for a quick buck that could leave their fans defrauded and financially devastated.

https://slate.com/author/ben-mckenzie

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ireactions wrote:

The lead actor of GOTHAM, Ben McKenzie (Gordon) has a regular column on Slate.com regarding cryptocurrency and celebrity endorsements of cryptocurrency and celebrity sales of non-fungible tokens.

McKenzie thinks it's a massive scam and that celebrities are leveraging their followings for a quick buck that could leave their fans defrauded and financially devastated.

https://slate.com/author/ben-mckenzie

I understand that thinking. Crypto isn't regulated, so the rich can use it to avoid the normal regulations that would come with putting their money into stocks.

There is also no way to get your money back if you lose it.

Very much like the stock market. Also, the energy footprint is massive and can cause a significant strain on the environment.

It has also been banned in 42 countries worldwide.

https://fortune.com/2022/01/04/crypto-b … September.

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It is a massive scam.

Blockchain tech is interesting, but will find its destiny in other applications

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Don't get paid in bitcoin.

Never get paid in crypto unless you don't need that money. There are zero guarantees that it will be worth what it was when you made the deal.

WR Odell Beckham Jr. of the Rams provides a cautionary tale.

https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status … 15456?s=20

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

[Also, the energy footprint is massive and can cause a significant strain on the environment.

I know nothing about crypto.  Nothing.

But this is because it takes a lot of processing power, and that leads to environmental issues?  So something like email would technically have an energy footprint?

Not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely clueless about this stuff.

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I was carefully noncommittal and neutral on the subject of cryptocurrency until Temporal Flux said he thought it was stupid at which point it became clear that cryptocurrency is the most obvious scam ever perpetrated on a public that should know better at this point.

Reportedly, one bitcoin transaction requires 1,173 kilowatts of energy and creates half a ton of CO2 emissions (907,185 grams).

One email requires maybe 0.3 kilowatts of energy and creates about four grams of CO2 emissions.

Cryptocurrency is highly volatile and insecure, easily inflated by its perpetrators to an artificial high to sell off at which point its value will crash. There is no regulation whatsoever. And it represents nothing beyond how much energy you can waste in pumping electricity through an array of computers.

Although it does make me wonder how Quinn Mallory would use blockchain technology productively, maybe to perfect Rice-A-Roni.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:
QuinnSlidr wrote:

[Also, the energy footprint is massive and can cause a significant strain on the environment.

I know nothing about crypto.  Nothing.

But this is because it takes a lot of processing power, and that leads to environmental issues?  So something like email would technically have an energy footprint?

Not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely clueless about this stuff.

This is an example of what people do when they have massive crypto mining farms:

https://youtu.be/4ekOcDG2D8E

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All those systems are POW proof of work. Which consumes and incredible amount of energy. The majority of blockchains will move to a POS proof of stake system. It removes 99% of the power vs POW. However crypto being used as a steady payment system is a joke. The 'coins' or 'tokens' are basically owned by 1% or 2% of the population. It is leaving everyone else out. It has to be distributed evenly and fairly. Most cryptos are just useless 'stocks' that have little to no use that piggy back on Ethereum and Bitcoin which are dinosaurs. I believe certain proof of work systems will have some type real use in the future.

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Interesting political commentary from Democrat strategist James Carville on midterms and Joe Manchin being better than the alternative.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics … atic-party

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I think the consensus thought is that the Democrats are going to lose both chambers of Congress.  Biden is not polling well, progressives feel lied to, Republican enthusiasm is higher than Democratic enthusiasm, and the president's party tends to lose at midterms.

I think there's plenty of time, and I think Democrats can maybe muster up enough "Democracy is on the Ballot" concern to get Democrats to the polls.  But I think the Breyer retirement is a signal that the Democrats don't feel good about 2022, just like the Barrett speed-confirmation was a signal that the Republicans didn't feel good about Trump in 2020.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

I think the consensus thought is that the Democrats are going to lose both chambers of Congress.  Biden is not polling well, progressives feel lied to, Republican enthusiasm is higher than Democratic enthusiasm, and the president's party tends to lose at midterms.

I think there's plenty of time, and I think Democrats can maybe muster up enough "Democracy is on the Ballot" concern to get Democrats to the polls.  But I think the Breyer retirement is a signal that the Democrats don't feel good about 2022, just like the Barrett speed-confirmation was a signal that the Republicans didn't feel good about Trump in 2020.

That would be the consensus from right wingers. Not what's actually happening.

The real story is that at least several seats have flipped towards democrats and they have been winning elections left and right. Sadly, the MSM isn't covering this for some unknown reason as much as they should be.

The one thing the right wingers are amplifying are all their wins, even if miniscule, and that may be why it looks like a consensus.

And they are TERRIFIED of losing more seats to dems.

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IRS will require facial-recognition to access online system

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2022/01 … 642779267/


The Internal Revenue Service will require taxpayers to take selfies and verify their identities through ID.me to access online accounts starting this summer

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

That would be the consensus from right wingers. Not what's actually happening.

The real story is that at least several seats have flipped towards democrats and they have been winning elections left and right. Sadly, the MSM isn't covering this for some unknown reason as much as they should be.

The one thing the right wingers are amplifying are all their wins, even if miniscule, and that may be why it looks like a consensus.

And they are TERRIFIED of losing more seats to dems.

I hope you're right.  Of the toss up Senate races, only one (Pennsylvania) is currently Republican.  The rest (Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, maybe New Hampshire) are held by Democrats.  Maybe they have a shot somewhere like Wisconsin or Florida, but I'd be surprised.  They need to win all the toss ups, flip Pennsylvania, and hope to flip one of the other Republicans.  And that's how they just become Sinema/Manchin-proof.

I think it's dicey.  But maybe you're right and they can pull it off.

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pilight wrote:

IRS will require facial-recognition to access online system

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2022/01 … 642779267/


The Internal Revenue Service will require taxpayers to take selfies and verify their identities through ID.me to access online accounts starting this summer

I believe they are doing this to cut down on fraud and I am sure coming up with solutions can be difficult but this strikes me as completely irresponsible of them and potentially infringing on rights.

I do not trust the incompetent government or IRS to be able to protect that database of photos.  Either it gets into the wrong hands... just like all of our addresses, social security numbers, addresses etc regularly do with other data leaks or the govt themselves even misuses it.  Or the tech doesn't even work and doesn't let people in their own accounts.

If there's a leak of a database of photos with other sensitive info then identity theft will be even easier.   And people do have a right to be able to access their tax info... they shouldn't have to risk identity fraud to be able to do it.

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I recently took my mother to get a fourth dose of Pfizer. I have had my third.

My province has dropped the mask mandate, an obvious effort from the currently conservative administration to score points and win votes from anti-vaxxer/anti-masker types in the upcoming election. One office-mate recently got COVID and lost a week of her life. I also found out that this co-worker (A) didn't get her third dose booster and (B) intends to stop wearing her mask the day the mask mandate is lifted.

I've reread the employee handbook and employment legislation and the law is quite clear: my workplace had the right to mandate that all employees get two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine or they could find another job. My workplace also had the right to mandate masks so long as there was an actual public health mandate from the province or the city. My co-worker is well within her rights to not get a third dose booster and not wear a mask at the office and no one has any business confronting her about her exercising her own free choices that are no longer within the bounds of workplace regulations.

It is impossible to mandate that someone get a third dose because so many have had COVID-19 infections after their second dose that, while mild, means they cannot get a booster until at least 12 weeks after they've recovered.

I'm still masking. I recently discovered a new source of ASTM Level 1 surgical masks and also earloop cordlocks. Surgical masks, while a bit loose on the face, can be made to fight tightly without gaps using cordlocks. ASTM Level 1 masks rank third in the ASTM hierarchy, filtering only 95 percent while ASTM Levels 2 - 3 filter 98 per cent, but given that I've been using KF94 and KN95 masks, that seems negligible and more important is fit.

Also, my KN95 and KF94 masks cost me about $1 - $1.65 per mask whereas an ASTM L1 surgical mask and a pair of cordlocks only cost $32 cents. I might just have to switch permanently to ASTM L1 mask with tightened earloops because the economics make too much sense not to. In addition, ASTM L1 masks are three layer masks that are far more breathable in hot summer air whereas KN95 masks are only wearable in spring, fall and winter. (Never tried a KF94 in the summer.)

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Do you have a link?

My wife, mother, and I all wear our masks still (mostly due to my insistence, probably).  I still see masks down here in a pretty red part of Texas, which feels good.  But for the most part, it's looking like most people are back to normal.

It's very weird.  I'll get my 4th dose when it's time (and my wife asked me about getting her 3rd), but I'm genuinely curious how the more cautious among us get back to normal when it's time.  When it's officially an endemic, will we still mask?  When the deaths stop?  When cases drop enough?  Or will we still do it, either seasonally or all year?

I don't know how to feel about that.  Obviously, I would like to get back to normal at some point, but I also want to do the responsible thing for my family and myself.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

Do you have a link?

My wife, mother, and I all wear our masks still (mostly due to my insistence, probably).  I still see masks down here in a pretty red part of Texas, which feels good.  But for the most part, it's looking like most people are back to normal.

It's very weird.  I'll get my 4th dose when it's time (and my wife asked me about getting her 3rd), but I'm genuinely curious how the more cautious among us get back to normal when it's time.  When it's officially an endemic, will we still mask?  When the deaths stop?  When cases drop enough?  Or will we still do it, either seasonally or all year?

I don't know how to feel about that.  Obviously, I would like to get back to normal at some point, but I also want to do the responsible thing for my family and myself.

I think endemic is considered when there is no spike over the normal.  Unfortunately, we are setting a new baseline for what's normal but that maybe we haven't established the new baseline just yet. 

With omicron, at least in the U.S. the IFR (death rate) was fairly low and comparable to the flu but spread so much more abudundantly.  Really unprecedented.  Probably 2m cases a day at times (even if only 1m were captured). 

Public health officials should IMO stressing ventilation (HEPA filteration systems, you can build yourself for 50 bucks with a box fan, ductate and filters) or even purchase floor units of varying sizes.   They should actually do a good job of explaining what masks work, and of the ones that do, how well.  We have a video of biden and cdc officials promoting masking with surgical masks (and doctors and medical staff wearing them quite a bit).  No wonder people are confused.

We should be educating the public on antivirals, monoclonals, early invention/treatement and rapid tests.  I bet at least half of the people who died from covid/complications would have lived with these early interventions.  Maybe as much as 75 percent.  The Biden White House treated the vaccine as a magic bullet, that could stop transmission and eliminate severe cases.  It didn't stop tranmission.  It greatly reduced severe cases.

The problem is we have so much institutional mistrust, we have people who think the vaccine side effects are horrible but covid is nothing, and at the end of the day this is an experimental vaccine with a lack of transparency (won't get into that), and so there was always gonna be some hestitancy.  And there was way more than they expected because to some degree, their world is their own bubble, and they don't always understand some of america outside of it.  The america that doesn't trust institutions or trusts putting it all in god's hands, even though I am pretty sure god didn't want any of the 1m americans to die (and potentially 18m across the world in some estimates).

The new normal has to be educating the public on the virus, on long covid, on the tools we have in our arsnel (it's not just vaccines!) and empowering people to make individual choices while also implementing measures when necessary to assist the most vunerable populations.   Institutions and leaders need to not bend the truth (avoid the noble lie or telling part of the truth) because there's been too much of that from the get go and it has created even more distrust as the public has latched onto these things.

As of now heart disease and cancer combined kill about 2-3x more americans than covid per year.  Not sure numbers in canada.  We now have another major cause of death to contend with.  So it sucks because the older everyone grows, the less the immune system is in shape, it becomes more of a threat.  Just a bout with it can age the immune system.  People need to do what they can to avoid obesity, diabetes, etc and the governments should be supporting that and including that in the messaging.  Hopefully more money goes into medical funding and hopefully there are more breakthroughs in medical technology because of this.

We need to try to come back better out of this but in the short term we have to manage this as best we can, understandingly some people are more risk averse folks, some people just want to live their life and not be fearful about it, we have put our hospital workers through a god awful time and we have various ways of trying to let people live their life while reducing death and severe cases if we don't become political or irresponsible about it.

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To me, normalcy will be wearing a mask. I started wearing a mask in February 2020 and haven't had a single cold since then. So long as we wear masks and get our boosters, we can resume our normal activities. It's a mask. It's not a scuba suit.

I don't know if it's helpful to direct a someone living in Austin, Texas, United States to a retail store called Canadian Tire which exists in the Commonwealth of Canada.

It looks like you could get surgical ASTM Level 3 masks in the States here: https://bonafidemasks.com/black-surgica … s-per-box/

They filter about 3 per cent more than ASTM Level 1 and cost more, but $17.50 USD for a box of 50 isn't bad.

The problem with surgical masks, including these ones, is a poor seal around the nose and cheeks. However, if you put the earloops through cordlocks with a toothpick, you can tighten up the fit.
https://www.amazon.com/OCEANTREE-Adjust … 08C7CRBPP/

That said -- I wore the surgical mask with cord locks for one day at the office and it wasn't that convenient because I was constantly taking my mask off in my private office and putting it back on when leaving my office. Each time, I had to adjust the cord locks to tighten up the earloops.

In contrast, my bifold KN95 mask can come on and off with almost no adjustments because of the firm, tight fit. I think even in the summer, when I switch to a thinner ASTM L1 mask, I'll need to keep bifold KN95s for the office.

This morning, I hung some masks outside my office door with the unwritten implication that if a co-worker wants to speak to me in my office, I would like them to wear a mask for the duration of our conversation.

My co-worker who said she wasn't going to wear a mask has decided to resume mask-wearing anyway because most people in the office are still masking.

I spoke with her and told her that if she doesn't want to mask any more, it's nobody's business to demand that she do so or to criticize her because she has the right to not wear one. There is no legal requirement and no one should be pressuring her to wear a mask. We have to defend people's rights even if we don't agree with how they use them.

She said she appreciated that, but she has changed her mind because she thinks wearing a mask will make everyone feel safer and she assured me that nobody pressured her and it is no trouble.

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Love this blog post from sabrina

https://www.sabrinalloyd.com/post/sprin … aa877c4df6

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A friend of mine recently told me that he was no longer going to wear a mask because the law said he didn't have to and that it was time for him to live a "normal" life again. It is beyond me what activities, tasks and responsibilities he or anyone could possibly have that are in any way impeded by taking three seconds to put on a face covering before entering high capacity public gathering spaces.

Yes, vaccines protect from hospitalization and death, but I've had several fully boosted friends lose a month of their lives to COVID. They weren't sick enough to need ventilators, but they had to stay home for two weeks coughing and fevered and sore followed by two to three weeks of brain fog and sleepiness.

My province has *completely* given up on fighting COVID. The vaccine requirement for public gathering places is gone. The push for third dose boosters is gone. The mask mandate outside of transit and health care facilities is gone. The testing and recording program to track how many cases we had per day is gone. As a result, our case counts are rising. These rising case counts eventually cause the health care system to become overloaded. As a result, patients with cancers and heart conditions and lung issues can't get life-saving chemotherapy or surgery or transplants and die.

On a personal level, I think my three doses and my 95 per cent face-sealed mask will protect me from the worst of it, but if I should break my leg or need heart surgery or trauma care after a car accident or a fall, I'll be in serious trouble.

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Biden's presidency has lost its way due to a number of factors from an extremely weak hand in Congress to Biden's handlers isolating him from the press (possibly due to his tendency to go off book). https://time.com/6140442/joe-biden-pres … cond-year/

I protested the idea that Biden was experiencing cognitive decline and I strongly disagreed with Temporal Flux saying Biden wasn't up to running the country and whoever ran his presidency wouldn't be him, but given Biden's non-appearances and unavailability, I have to conclude that Biden's age have worsened his communications difficulties and his PR team just doesn't want him in front of the camera too often if at all. It's possible that when campaigning for the presidency, he had the time to mentally prepare for public appearances but having won the presidency, that kind of prep and private coaching is temporally impossible.

I had hopes for a President Biden, but the truth is, it simply wasn't up to him whether or not his presidency would be transformational; it would be decided by whether or not Democrats would have a filibuster-proof majority in the House and the Senate. And gerrymandering from 2000 - 2020 has left Democrats only able to win slim majorities.

Biden can't enact COVID relief legislation or economic recovery policies or voting reform. Fairly or unfairly (and I am not qualified to comment), Afghanistan was a public failure. Inflation (which Temporal Flux had been warning us about) is beyond the ability of most presidents to address beyond hiking interest rates which are a questionable tactic anyway. And now Democrats are looking at being completely wiped out in midterms by a populace that doesn't agree with James Carville Jr. that the solution to their issues wouldn't be to punish Democrats but to elect more of them.

President Joe Biden seems to have about as much political power as the Queen of England at this point and culturally, he is non-existent and near-invisible.

At this point, with gerrymandering and a population that punishes Democrats for being powerless, any time Democrats have power, it won't be much and any time Republicans have power, they'll either control all three branches of the US government or have enough of the House and Senate to curtail any Democratic efforts.

I'm not really sure how the States proceeds at this point; Republicans are only interested in power and have become a fascist party of deranged lies (horse dewormer, testicle tanning, anti-vaccine, anti-mask, pro-Russian invasion of Ukraine) and America in this situation is incapable of leading the world through the climate crisis, through pandemics, through war and through all the challenges of today.

I'm worried and I'm losing hope and I am going to try to figure out what to do about all this on the weekend, but I'm not that optimistic because I'm not that smart.

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The whole thing is a mess.  People are (rightfully) annoyed that they worked so hard to get Democrats the power they said they needed, and nothing is happening.  Trump is still in control of the Republican party, no one with any power has been punished for January 6, Covid is still a problem, and nothing has been done to make 2022 or 2024 more secure.  I'd love for Beto O'Rourke to win the governorship of Texas, but I have zero confidence that he'd ever make it to the governor's mansion even if he got enough votes.  Abbott would claim fraud and the Texas legislature would overturn it.

And then there's inflation and high gas prices and the war in Ukraine and all that stuff that makes things worse for everyone.

The fact remains that there's just not enough interest by career politicians in Washington to make any real change.  The media is too segregated for anyone to be on the same page.

I guess the only saving grace in my mind is that the Republicans haven't shown any ability/intention of doing anything either.  So they'll come in, inflation and gas prices won't get any better, and maybe Democrats can do better in 2024.  Either way, Biden shouldn't run.  In all seriousness, they need him to step back and let there be a wide-open primary with new blood.  No Biden, No Bernie, no Warren, no Hillary.  Because all those guys steal votes from better candidates on name recognition alone, and it ends up being the same boring races.

What the Democrats need is Obama.  A young, charismatic guy who can come out of nowhere and unite different segments of the party.  Biden is better than Trump but he's way too old to inspire anyone.  And just not being Trump won't be enough. 

I asked my friend what he'd prefer:

- Ron DeSantis destroys Trump in a primary and wins the presidency, ending Trump's political career forever
- Trump wins the primary and goes up against Biden, result of the election unknown

He picked Trump.  I do worry more about Trump 2.0 than Trump, but I also thought losing would push Trump out of power.  While his power has waned a tad, his control over the party hasn't.  And unless he dies before 2024, unless the Democrats make a move, I don't feel good about 2024.

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If you have someone democrats love than republicans will hate them and half the country is pissed anyway.

Maybe the answer is someone neither side hates nor loves.

That's in part how I am looking at the current situation.

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RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

Maybe the answer is someone neither side hates nor loves

Yeah, that'll bring people to the polls.


The answer is to rewrite the constitution and create a parliamentary system.

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I wear a mask on the bus/train in and out of Manhattan for work.  That's about it.

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Democrats did not receive the power that they said they needed. To govern, a US President needs a filibuster-proof majority in Congress. A 50-50 split in Senate with only the VP as a tiebreaker and two Democrat senators who vote against the president is *not* the power that Democrats sought, nor is it the power that the previous president had in his hands.

Democrats seem resigned to losing even their slight, near-non-existent advantage. They aren't trying to sell the story that to accomplish more, they need more power.

Slider_Quinn21 wrote in 2016 that the presidency isn't actually that powerful an office. That's only true when the president doesn't have a strong congressional majority. President Biden is not a powerful president due to his weak majority, and it looks like a Democratic president will never be very powerful while a Republican president will be extremely powerful.

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Trump didn't have a filibuster-proof majority in Congress.

Biden bears much of the blame for the Democrats poor performance in the 2020 Congressional elections.  His less than vigorous campaign schedule meant he wasn't out stumping for down-ticket races.

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That's correct, so I'll add some nuance: Trump's Senate majority wasn't as weak as Biden's where Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema stop any and all legislation -- although Trump's majorities had infighting and failure and he failed to take out Obamacare which is a leveller. pilight says the weak majority is non-existent downticket campaigning and that a more vigorous effort could have won Democrats a stronger hand. That's probably true, but I have this terrible feeling that electoral game is so rigged at this point that Democrat votes will count for less in Congress and that Republicans have to win far fewer voters to win a majority in Senate and the House.

I shared this before, an interview with James Carville Jr. where he says Democrats are obsessed with "stupid wokeness" that's unsellable to the American populace and that they sink money into hopeless races and court defeat when their work should be in trying to elect more Democrats to get President Biden more power than he has right now as a figurehead president.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics … atic-party

As a hopefully woke person myself, I'll say that Carville Jr. may have a point that there's no sense in selling what people won't buy.

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The problem is that the Democratic Party is a combination of three loosely-bound groups of people that don't really have all that much in common.  Someone in the Democratic Party needs to somehow both fully support things like Defund the Police (to keep progressives that like that) while also downplay it for people that are more in the middle who wouldn't support it.  They have to downplay Critical Race Theory as some kind of movement, but also not completely write off the ideas that are in it. 

How do you limit the "woke" stuff without alienating the people who are only here for the woke stuff?

The Republicans succeed because they don't have a platform.  They don't stand for anything of any substance.  They can just pick and choose the minor items from the left that most people think are too much and attack them. And when they get in power, they don't do a ton.

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The Corsi-Rosenthal air purifier craze is interesting, but it sounds exhausting and painful to buy four fan coil air filters and a fan, assemble them into a cube, ensure it doesn't fall apart, and then change all four filters of this six-sided contraption every few months.

I just bought a couple air purifiers (Honeywell HPA064C with filters to be replaced annually) although they only cover 75 square feet compared to the average Corsi-Rosenthal covering 680 square feet. But I also replaced the dust filters in the two fan coils in my home with MERV-8 filters and put the two air purifiers near the intake vents, ensuring that my home air systems now have a direct line of clean air which goes into the fan coils and gets further circulated through the home.

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I got my fourth dose of Moderna today. My province (think American state) was offering Novavax doses to anyone because people who fear the 'new' technology of mRNA vaccines may feel more comfortable with a protein-based vaccine that already created the spike protein with moth cell cultures rather than having mRNA direct your immune system to create a spike protein. The availability was to encourage the vaccine-hesitant.

I got my third dose at the end of December, so I signed up for Novavax as it's been approved as a fourth-dose booster. However, when I arrived at the clinic, the nurse told me that she'd be happy to give me a fourth dose (well, half-dose) of Moderna to match my previous three vaccinations.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … House.html

You know who doing his best to recreate the "California Reich"

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There are three people I know to be utterly without fear. Matt Murdock. Hal Jordan. Merrick Garland.

(Steve Rogers is only mostly fearless; he's still scared of his dad.)

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The back and forth on America vs China is the same old story; but I post this because I had never heard these batteries existed?

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/03/11149642 … a-vanadium

Through recharging, it can fully power a house for 30 years before the battery burns out?

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I'm really hoping that Trump goes down for what he tried to do.  I don't think he will, and I don't necessarily think it's even in the best interests of the country.  I worry that Trump definitively going to jail opens things up for someone like Cruz or Hawley or (most likely) DeSantis to pick up where he left off.  And I think Trump is less dangerous than all three of those guys.  I think his overt narcissism makes him a little easier to deal with.

But I think there should be consequences.  And I wish that we could purge the Republican party of the Trumpism but I'm just not confident that's going to happen.  Even if there's indisputable proof that Trump is guilty and he goes to jail for the rest of his life, I think a big portion of the country isn't going to believe it.  And even if people did believe it, I don't think it would end the movement, and I don't think the people that helped him (Cruz, Graham, Hawley, etc) would pay for it.  If anyone, Graham seems the most likely to take a fall.

That being said, I just think Trump is too slippery.  I personally think he's very dumb, but I think he's insulated enough and protected enough and I think the justice system is vague enough that he won't go down for anything.  I think he's surrounded himself with enough loyal people that are willing to suffer on his behalf - it seems Mark Meadows would rather get convicted of treason than turn on his former boss.

And the raid on his house I feel will end in nothing.  I just don't believe Trump wouldn't have been tipped off or that Trump would've had anything of any value to Garland anywhere that Garland would look.  Maybe that's just my pessimism showing, but I just don't believe it.  People have tried for decades to get this guy, and he's never paid for anything.

I know it's hard to get a federal warrant.  But even if they were told something, worked as fast as administratively possible to get in, and got in without any leaks, I still think they wouldn't have found anything.

I'm not going to set myself up for disappointment.  At this point, I'm hoping the base turns on Trump in favor of DeSantis and that DeSantis isn't the cult figure that Trump was.  And maybe the people that loved him will become disillusioned with politics and this can end.

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The FBI would not raid the home of a previous president unless they had probable cause, a boatload of probable cause.

It's possible Trump was warned, but given his lack of poker face and visible agitation, he seems scared of what the FBI found. The reason Merrick Garland has been criticized in the press and online: the Department of Justice has taken almost no publicly visible action against Trump. This is standard practice to avoid giving the targets of their investigations any warning before they secure warrants and crack open safes.

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I wanted to say: anyone who is an anti-masker or an anti-vaxxer should stop watching TV and movies. TV and movies were possible pre-vaccine and possible now because of pandemic protocols and employer mandates for vaccination.

Without pandemic protocols and mandates, cast and crew would get sick and no production can afford to be paused indefinitely. Without pandemic protocols, there would have been no series finale for SUPERNATURAL and no new episodes of CW superhero shows or of THE ORVILLE.

THE ORVILLE took three years to produce its third season because it was necessary to retool itself on its already strained budget for distancing and masking; it had to retool again to loosen up a bit (but not entirely) once vaccines became available.

Without masks and vaccinations, the cast and crew would get sick and continually reinfect themselves until there would be no one to perform scenes or film them or edit them or make the costumes or dress the sets or scout the locations. Any production without pandemic protocols would be unable to keep filming and eventually become too expensive to keep paused and fail to produce any content to broadcast, stream or present in cineplexes.

Anyone who attacks masks and vaccines should not enjoy the media that is only possible through the safety of masks and vaccines.

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ireactions wrote:

The FBI would not raid the home of a previous president unless they had probable cause, a boatload of probable cause.

It's possible Trump was warned, but given his lack of poker face and visible agitation, he seems scared of what the FBI found. The reason Merrick Garland has been criticized in the press and online: the Department of Justice has taken almost no publicly visible action against Trump. This is standard practice to avoid giving the targets of their investigations any warning before they secure warrants and crack open safes.

Yeah, I get it.  I just don't have faith that any of this will go against Trump.  From what I've read (and I'm as far from an expert as possible), the punishment for breaking this law is "up to 3 years in prison" or a fine.  I think the Clinton guy who broke this law most recently got a fine.

If this is all to fine Trump, I'm not sure it's worth it.

Now, all that being said, my limited understanding of this says that if they found something in open sight, even if it was unrelated to the warrant, it can be taken and used against Trump.  I wonder if they could find whatever Trump is using to blackmail certain members of Congress.  Could that be what gets him?

Or if they actually have proof that Trump wasn't just hoarding classified documents but also selling them.  That's the other thing that takes this from "maybe a fine" to jail time.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:
ireactions wrote:

The FBI would not raid the home of a previous president unless they had probable cause, a boatload of probable cause.

It's possible Trump was warned, but given his lack of poker face and visible agitation, he seems scared of what the FBI found. The reason Merrick Garland has been criticized in the press and online: the Department of Justice has taken almost no publicly visible action against Trump. This is standard practice to avoid giving the targets of their investigations any warning before they secure warrants and crack open safes.

Yeah, I get it.  I just don't have faith that any of this will go against Trump.  From what I've read (and I'm as far from an expert as possible), the punishment for breaking this law is "up to 3 years in prison" or a fine.  I think the Clinton guy who broke this law most recently got a fine.

If this is all to fine Trump, I'm not sure it's worth it.

Now, all that being said, my limited understanding of this says that if they found something in open sight, even if it was unrelated to the warrant, it can be taken and used against Trump.  I wonder if they could find whatever Trump is using to blackmail certain members of Congress.  Could that be what gets him?

Or if they actually have proof that Trump wasn't just hoarding classified documents but also selling them.  That's the other thing that takes this from "maybe a fine" to jail time.

It's not just 2 or 3 years, but could extend well beyond 2024 and Trump could see the darkest depths of the U.S. federal prison system for years.

Oh, this is all leading up to the charge that Merrick Garland has for all January 6th participants:

Seditious conspiracy to overthrow the United States government by force.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384

This crime, which violates 18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy, carries a penalty of up to at least 20 years in federal prison.

"If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both."

Trump "possessing any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof," where nuclear weapons documents are concerned, is in very deep doo-doo.

The golf tournament backed by the Saudis at Trump golf courses...the $2 billion given to Eric Trump by the Saudis...not looking good for Trump.

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Can Trump run for the presidency from jail? Could he win from jail?

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ireactions wrote:

Can Trump run for the presidency from jail? Could he win from jail?

Technically yes, but not if convicted of certain crimes that include prohibitions on holding office.

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My present understanding: convicted felons can run for office. The Constitution (Article II, Section 1, Clause 5) sets the only qualifications for the US presidency (natural born citizen, 35 years old, 14 years a resident of the US). It doesn't rule out criminal convictions. However, Trump could conceivably escape jail by agreeing to never again run for public office for a lighter sentence; Trump might find that his criminal cases make him an absentee candidate unable to do the public appearances with which he's obsessed; Trump's assets could be frozen; Trump could find it financially and logistically impossible to campaign.