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ireactions wrote:

I desperately need to know what Slider_Quinn21 thinks of how NEW BLOOD has been undone.

So I'm sure you'll be happy to hear that I watched the first episode of RESURRECTION.  The ending to New Blood (which was fine) was undone, but they haven't retconned a ton.  Instead of dying, Dexter survives because blood loss was slowed by the snow.  Other than that, it's a fairly faithful follow-up to New Blood.

Not only that, it's a much more direct follow-up to the original Dexter than New Blood was.  In a lot of ways, Resurrection has made it so that New Blood is the equivalent of a prequel comic to a Marvel or Star Trek movie.  There's a couple of items that are relevant (but also explained in Resurrection) that you might need to know, but I think most people could jump straight to Resurrection.  It not only picks up from New Blood but picks up a plotline straight from the Dexter finale.

There are also cameos, and they've gone back to using Harry as the avatar for the Dark Passenger.

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So...

How do you feel about it?

Did RESURRECTION overturn a story that you cared about or are you pleased to see your anti-hero back in business?

Was Dexter's revival plausible and acceptable or ridiculous and unbelievable?

Is RESURRECTION doing something new and worthwhile with Dexter that's relevant for 2025 or is it just getting more product on the air?

Did you like it?

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My relationship with Dexter is a bit complicated.  While I might be one of only a handful of people on this Earth who didn't hate the finale, that isn't to say that I loved it.  Dexter did have a steady decline in quality after the brilliant season 4.  I do think that I have a better ending for Dexter in my mind (Dexter is captured and has a season where he's a Hannibal Lecter type advisor to his sister), but I think the story they told is a fine one.

I think New Blood was an appropriate next chapter for Dexter.  He's always wanted a normal life and stripped of all of his ties to Miami, he was able to live a fairly normal life.

What's strange about New Blood is that it doesn't do much of the things that Resurrection does.  Resurrection is a parade of returning characters and cameos to take Dexter through the journey of his life.  Resurrection forces Dexter to face the consequences of eight seasons in Miami.  New Blood, in a lot of ways, allowed Dexter to start fresh.  Resurrection doesn't really appear to let him do that.

The question with Dexter is always: "Is he a good person?"  Yes, he's a killer.  But can killing be used for good?  I don't know if New Blood really tried to answer that (or if it did, I forgot).  Resurrection comes out and says it - Dexter kills bad guys which saves good guys.  But he also involves himself with bad guys, bringing bad guys close enough to him that good people in Dexter's life are killed.  There's good and bad, and it would be almost impossible to settle Dexter's accounts to know if he's saving more people than he's getting killed.

I think I like the version of Dexter where he knows he's a bad person and he's just doing the best he can with that.  Where he acknowledges that he likes killing, and if he's going to kill, he might as well kill bad guys.  I don't really like the version of Dexter where he's some kind of victim.  He's not Batman - he's the Punisher.  The Punisher knows he's a bad guy who does good by doing bad things.  I don't know if the Punisher has ever had a sidekick or an apprentice, but I would assume he wouldn't want to raise anyone else to be like him.  Dexter has a son, but he's gone back and forth with whether or not Harrison even has a dark passenger.

I don't think Resurrection overturned anything I cared about.  If the original Dexter was the end, I would've been fine.  If New Blood was the end, I would've been fine.  I don't think we *need* Dexter stories, but the character is so compelling that I'm happy to get new stories.  I haven't had a ton of interest in the Dexter prequel because I think Michael C Hall's performance is 99% of the fun.

Is the revival plausible?  I'm not nearly educated enough on stuff like that.  Dexter was shot in the chest (I'm not even sure if where he was shot is a place you can survive), and from my memory of New Blood, the show was pretty clear that he was going to die in the wilderness.  But he was shot in the snow, and Resurrection says that the show slowed down his heart enough to keep the blood loss from being too severe.  Is that a thing that happens?  I don't know.  But it's plausible enough for this silly show in my opinion.

And yeah I did like it.  I liked that it gave us the parade of former villains.  I like that Batista is back and still looking into LaGuerta's death (one of the few deaths that paints Dexter as a truly bad guy).  And if Hall is going to keep playing this character, I'll watch.

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I may have asked this before but are there any Resident Alien fans on here?  It's production style reminds me a bit of Sliders s1 & 2.  I can't say I keep up with the show. But I watched the first season (mostly) and sometimes here and there will check out later season episodes.  It's remarkable in this day and age for SyFy to have a original that is sustainable.  But it's managed to squeak by.

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RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

I may have asked this before but are there any Resident Alien fans on here?  It's production style reminds me a bit of Sliders s1 & 2.  I can't say I keep up with the show. But I watched the first season (mostly) and sometimes here and there will check out later season episodes.  It's remarkable in this day and age for SyFy to have a original that is sustainable.  But it's managed to squeak by.


Got canceled.  They had a great run though. Four seasons for a SyFy series.

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ireactions wrote:

Did you like it?

I'm changing my answer.  I like Resurrection quite a bit.  They've had some fun guest stars and cameos, and setting the show in New York has brought some life to the show.

Although I the show might be de-canoninzing some of the seasons that Clyde Phillips wasn't a part of.  In this season (spoilers if you care), Dexter is potentially going to start dating a fellow serial killer.  Dexter says that it's new territory for him, but he's dated at least two killers.  There's a chance I'm misremembering the later seasons or he is strictly talking about a pre-established serial killer (and I don't think Lumen or Hannah were that).  But I found that interesting.

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Do you think maybe it's just new territory because he hasn't done it in awhile and he's rusty?

I ask merely for your perspective, I've never seen the show.

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Going to see Naked Gun tonight.  I have been rooting for this one.  One of my favorites as a kid and would love to see the theatrical market support stuff like this (particularly this franchise).

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I'm hoping to see it soon. Would probably see it before FANTASTIC FOUR.

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Retcon: retroactive continuity, when series willfully and deliberately alters a story element of a previous installment. The first retcon I ever saw was when I was 10 years old and watching the Jackie Chan movies POLICE STORY and POLICE STORY II. POLICE STORY (1985) is one of the most popular action films ever made: Hong Kong police detective Kevin Chan and his acrobatic martial arts take down local crime boss Chu To as by chasing a hijacked bus on foot and singlehandedly bringing down every criminal aboard.

But when the murderous Chu To gets off on a technicality and frames Kevin for murder, Kevin finds himself pushed to the brink, hunted by both sides of the law. When Kevin returns to the police station for help, Superintendent Raymond Li offers no sanctuary and instead arrests Kevin -- who reacts by pulling a gun on Li, taking him hostage and stealing a car in order to escape.

Kevin then confronts Chu To and acquires the evidence to convict him in a hyperdestructive battle with Chu To's henchmen that destroys nearly every floor of a shopping mall in hand to hand combat. When the police arrive to control the situation, a deranged Kevin assaults Chu To's lawyer and an unarmed and defenseless Chu To with 11 punches to the stomach and the film ends on Kevin's former colleagues holding him back in rage.

Despite the satisfaction of pummeling the once untouchable Chu To into a shopping cart, Kevin's crimes -- resisting kidnapping, grand theft auto, aggravated assault on a civilian lawyer and a suspect in police custody -- will clearly end Kevin Chan's career in law enforcement. He has known from the moment he threatened Superintendent Li's life that the story could only end with him off the force and into jail. POLICE STORY ends with Kevin 'victorious' but his crimes mean he could easily end up Chu To's cellmate.

This bleakly ironic ending was Jackie Chan's grim commentary on law enforcement and criminal justice. POLICE STORY was an exercise in heroic bloodshed, the tale of a hero who knows he is going down but takes his archnemesis down with him in the process as he marches towards a certain doom in what was intended as Kevin Chan's one and only cinematic adventure. It is one of the most defeatist and nihilistic endings possible in what seemed, in the middle of the film, to be a lighthearted action comedy.

Except the movie was too successful to not have a sequel.

As a result, POLICE STORY II, released three years later in 1988, found itself in a difficult position. The logical outcome of POLICE STORY was that Kevin Chan would be tried and convicted. He was looking at a 10 - 20 year jail sentence for his crimes, likely to be released in 3 - 5 years for good behaviour, and he could never, ever, ever be a police officer again after kidnapping his boss and beating up a civilian and an arrested suspect.

But the movie was called POLICE STORY II, not JAIL STORY. As a result, POLICE STORY II engaged in a retcon so subtle, so deliberate, so skillfully underplayed that most people have never noticed it at all. POLICE STORY II opens with a recap of POLICE STORY: all the high points of each Jackie Chan stunt and action sequence from the initial chase of Chu To to the shopping mall battle, capturing Kevin's greatest feats of daring and fighting prowess.

However, the recap carefully omits any shots of Kevin taking Superintendent Li hostage, omits Kevin assaulting the unarmed lawyer, and omits Kevin punching Chu To 11 times. Instead, the recap ends on Kevin grabbing Chu To by the lapels in the shopping mall.

We then have Kevin in Superintendent Li's office, who informs him that while Chu To's arrest is a win, the property damage Kevin's battles caused came out of the taxpayers' coffers. The reprimand focuses almost exclusively on the destruction of Kevin's fights, while, like the recap, omitting any mention of Kevin kidnapping Superintendent Li or commiting two counts of aggravated assault.

Superintendent Li declares that he convinced his superiors not to have Kevin brought up on charges for "assaulting me" (as opposed to "threatening my life and taking me hostage"). Kevin is then demoted from the special crimes unit, instead to serve mundane roles in any branch that is short-staffed; he is a floater, and his first assignment is traffic duty.

Chief Bill Wong informs Kevin he's lucky he wasn't fired (as opposed to lucky he wasn't arrested, tried, convicted and jailed). POLICE STORY II, in order to do a U-turn out of the creative dead end of the first film, has used the recap segment to quietly retcon out the crimes that would make it impossible for Kevin Chan to be anywhere but jail in order to ensure that POLICE STORY II is actually a police story.

The interesting thing is: barely anyone seems to have ever noticed the deft, skillful retcon at play here. POLICE STORY II cautiously erases Kevin's crimes not by claiming they didn't happen, but by carefully not reminding the audience that they happened.

The recap of POLICE STORY touches on all the high points but not the darkness of Kevin's derangement at the end; it doesn't refilm the scenes that should land Kevin in jail to contradict the viewer's memories; it simply doesn't encourage the audience to summon those memories to mind.

The serious crimes that Kevin committed are struck from continuity. POLICE STORY II is not a sequel to POLICE STORY as it existed in 1985, but a sequel to a hypothetical version that wasn't about the sudden and complete destruction of Kevin Chan's life that turned him into a criminal headed for a jail cell, but instead about a difficult period that led to a career setback.

A retcon so effective that most people have never noticed it in order to identify it as a retcon.

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RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

Going to see Naked Gun tonight.  I have been rooting for this one.  One of my favorites as a kid and would love to see the theatrical market support stuff like this (particularly this franchise).

This movie was insane. Especially the part with the snowman.

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ireactions wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

Going to see Naked Gun tonight.  I have been rooting for this one.  One of my favorites as a kid and would love to see the theatrical market support stuff like this (particularly this franchise).

This movie was insane. Especially the part with the snowman.

I am glad you liked it!  Wasn't Leslie Neilsen Canadian?

And Pam Anderson is Canadian too.  I guess it's in the Naked Gun DNA.

Which is funny because SLIDERS and NAKED GUN are also creatively connected.  Robert K Weiss' sensibility in both.

It was nice to be in a theater where people were having fun again.

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SUICIDE SQUAD: KILL THE JUSTICE LEAGUE spoiler:













It's revealed in the downloadable content seasons post-release: the Batman who died in the game was a clone.

This is revealed in a bunch of still art pieces with no animation and just voiceover exposition.

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ireactions wrote:

SUICIDE SQUAD: KILL THE JUSTICE LEAGUE spoiler:













It's revealed in the downloadable content seasons post-release: the Batman who died in the game was a clone.

This is revealed in a bunch of still art pieces with no animation and just voiceover exposition.

Yeah, I'd read that.  It's...better?

I don't know.  I wish they'd just say that game wasn't canon and release an apology game smile

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By the way, I'm still really liking Dexter: Resurrection.  It's inspired me to watch Dexter: Original Sin (which I also really like), and I'm considering a rewatch of the original series.

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Well, that is most gratifying. I would hate for it to have turned into some sort of X-FILES situation for you. It's nice that sometimes, a rival of a TV show can also revive its baseline of quality.

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I wasn't sure which post to put this in so I'll just put it here because it covers multiple topics.

I watched the premiere of Alien Earth.  Really engaging show, which isn't a surprise since it's coming from Noah Hawley.  But the most striking part, to me, was the first 5 minutes of the premiere.  If you had told me that Ridley Scott filmed that whole section in 1979 as some dropped subplot from Alien, I might've believed you.  It was so well done and captured the spirit and look of the original that it was incredible.

This is what Star Trek should have done...

Now I get it.  The whole Alien Earth show isn't done like the first five minutes.  But the show isn't shying away from saying "look, I know it looks weird by today's standards, but that's what it looked like in canon."  There are weird lights that seem to be blinking on and off for no reason in the background.  Everyone looks like they're actors in the 1970s.  People are smoking as soon as they wake up.  The show says - there are weird blinking lights for some reason.  There's a 1970s-looking style evolution for these guys.  They're blue collar so they smoke.  It isn't what we (modern people) think the future will look like anymore, but it's what the future looks like in this.

And I get it.  If you made Strange New Worlds look like TOS with it's silly-looking technology for 80 episodes, people might not watch.  If you don't think about it, it's much more fun to watch the high-tech glossy ships they have on SNW.  But that's also why I just wouldn't do prequels.  Time travel episodes back to that era (like Trials and Tribble-ations) can be fun opportunities to play with it, but that's all I'd do.

And to be clear, I don't think Alien consistent with that either.  The ships and tech in Prometheus look more advanced than Alien.

I just like consistency, even when it's illogical smile

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I've never seen ALIEN or ALIENS. How do they reconcile the retro approach of the first five minutes with the rest of the show?

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Well, I think it might be more complicated than explaining it.  The rest of the episode doesn't feature Star Trek - like ships with futuristic tech.  It's just more modern-looking technology.  But since the rest of the show takes place on Earth, it's possible that technology is better there and people have more access.

But honestly I think the in-universe explanation is that the Weyland-Yutani ships shown in Alien and Alien: Earth are blue collar scavenger ships.  It would be like aliens finding a fishing boat made in the 90s and assuming that's how technologically advanced we are. 

To me, I just liked that they went out of their way to completely re-create the aesthetic of Alien for this.  I don't think the rest of the episode abandons the aesthetic at all, but it secures the 70s aesthetic, at least for this portion of the universe, as how things look.  They could've easily reimagined how people look or act or how the ship looks and operates.  But they didn't.

Again, I assume the juice isn't worth the squeeze if the whole show took place on a ship (it doesn't).  But for that section of the show, I liked the respect for continuity.

*******

Okay so I finished Dexter: Original Sin.  I really liked it.  The show absolutely takes liberties with continuity with characters' ages being off, people joining the police force earlier than they were supposed to, things happening differently than they were originally explained, etc.

But I think there are two reasons I'm okay with that:

1. Dexter is our narrator - modern Dexter - and, while there has never been any evidence that he's an unreliable narrator, he's still a psychopathic serial killer.  So if an unreliable narrator explains things two different ways, that's not a huge deal to me (think the Joker in the Dark Knight).  There's also the fact that Dexter is, canonically, retelling his origin story to the "audience" as his life passes before his eyes as he believes he's dying (at the end of New Blood).  So even if Dexter is a reliable narrator, maybe his brain isn't functioning properly

2. The show is just a lot of fun.  I tried to explain to my wife that the show isn't scary at all.  The concept of Dexter is dark, but I don't even know how violent Dexter is.  Some of the people he kills are violent, but Dexter usually stabs his victims one time in the chest with a big knife.  There's blood, but it's usually captured by the plastic wrap that Dexter uses to contain his crime scenes.  He chops up the bodies, but either I'm completely desensitized by it, or it's shot in a way that isn't gory.  I don't like torture porn, and I'm skittish at stuff like Saw so I don't think it's the former.

But Dexter is a charming guy, the side characters are all interesting, and Dexter never tries to convince the audience that he's not a monster.  He's just a monster who is doing good in the world.  I think you can root for Dexter to keep doing what he's doing since he's getting rid of worse people, but I don't think Dexter even wants you to like him as an audience member.

I'm going to try and show my wife the original series.  I'll let you know if she likes it.

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Alien: Earth has been well received by many friends of mine who are Alien fans.  I won't have time to watch it for awhile.  It's a franchise for which you simply cannot take ANY canon seriously.  It's as valid as Friday the 13th's!  At the end of the day, it's a horror franchise just the same.  The films which tried to move it into some other realm failed.  And I loved Prometheus, but it just didn't work.  So I am not surprised that a return to suspense/horror is well received.

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Grizzlor wrote:

you simply cannot take ANY canon seriously

This is absolutely brilliant. I won't use it the next time Slider_Quinn21 asks me to explain a STAR TREK contradiction, but I'll think it.

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Hahaha I can't help it.  I really can't.  The past and the present and the future have to matter or none of it matters.  Headcanon to make it all work is half the fun smile

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My feelings on the importance of maintaining canon have changed over the years. It's still important, I think, to honor what has come before, but I don't think it serves to be a slave to it. If you have a great story idea, but some minor part of it would violate canon, have at it. That being said, if you can tell your story without directly violating canon, I think you should.