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https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/ … st/675264/

paywall:
https://archive.ph/96ZyQ

ireactions wrote:
Season 2 Upgrades

Most of these issues seem to vanish with "Into the Mystic". Season 2 benefitted from switching to digital videotape and with that would have come a new film-to-videotape telecine process.

I'd be curious to know how SLIDERS in Seasons 2 - 5 look on a streaming service. With the DVDs, I don't recall any of the Season 1 interlacing issues on Seasons 2 - 5. They probably exist, but they don't seem as noticeable.

Two possibilities present themselves: digital videotape has some final process to make the cadences more consistent. Another possibility is that the telecine process for digital videotape ensured that sequences could be transferred from editing videotapes to the video master to DVD digital files with a lower level of generational loss or cadence distortion. This would isolate cadence issues to sequences where material from different videotapes are put in sequence with each other.

It could be some combination of both.

Season 2 has always been wonky to me.  While not having some of the issues we see in s1 episodes, it can have a very dark and blurry (on mid and wide shots) and grainless/washed out (on close shots) quality.


The lack of sharpness and the darkness and lack of color vibrancy bothers me most. 

Here are some screenshots on Xumo's platform.  It's still the best I have ever seen it streaming-quality wise.

https://i.ibb.co/dM3PBN4/image.png
https://i.ibb.co/Prr7JVB/image.png
https://i.ibb.co/f1pTzDz/image.png



If you have the web browser Opera, I believe they provide VPN where you can pick perhaps United States, and then be able to watch https://play.xumo.com/tv-shows/sliders/XM0AYB6TTOKW0L

Not that it's necessary.

To me, the major jump in quality comes during Season 3.   S2 has always had a dated like feel to me.


My instinct as to why Xumo looks better than Roku (and Peacock looks better than Roku, and worse than Xumo) is Universal is not doing anything differently on their end across this distribution.  These outlets have different systems for default handling of content.  It may be Xumo is more used to older SD content and more ambitious in "getting it right" since they don't have the other businesses that Peacock/Universal and Roku have.   And they may be more technology oriented.

I do have a pretty good recollection of the awful quality of the series on Netflix, and some recollection but not a lot of it  on Hulu.   It always looked terrible on Netflix though this for its run that I believe ended Dec 31 2016.  It was on Hulu a year later before the deal expired.

We know when it was *televised* on the Hub everyone felt it looked better than airing elsewhere.   

Comet, which came years later, was just OK.

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So it looks like there is yet another X-Files event  Philefest or something and I think it's at Mall of America?

https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/philefest/
https://twitter.com/hashtag/Philefest
https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/Philefest/

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One of the interesting things about the last number of years was I learned how wrong some of my assumptions were about the charges or conclusions made by those that I disagreed with or wrote off initially.

I've learned to not write anything off, and to be more humble in drawing conclusions.

That does not mean a lot of the stuff I hear that I disagree with comes true, or that there's not a lot of bad-faith arguments made, politically/ideologically motivated etc.   But I also know not to just shut the door on anything that I don't like the  sound of initially.  File it away, or approach with a more open mind.   I'll learn from times when I was wrong or badly wrong.   I won't hunker down just because we have culture wars going on or different sides that have a very different philosophy on things.

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https://www.avclub.com/the-x-files-at-3 … 1850803122

Jim_Hall wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:
Jim_Hall wrote:

It definitely looks better than Roku. Probably better than Peacock too but I don't use it anymore. Xumo looks more saturated which I don't mind either way. I compared it with the original DVD Universal release, and the DVD looks like blu-ray in comparison. So far it appears Xumo is the best streaming between the three.

I'm glad you agree and it wasn't just me.

You compared xumo to the DVD?   The pilot or other content?


I'm hoping xumo is the start of a new trend but it's too bad the material was so basterdized by other outlets.

I could tell with the Pilot and other episodes it was like night and day.

Interesting that the best streaming still doesn't compare to the dvds.  I wonder why that is.  Maybe compression.

Jim_Hall wrote:

It definitely looks better than Roku. Probably better than Peacock too but I don't use it anymore. Xumo looks more saturated which I don't mind either way. I compared it with the original DVD Universal release, and the DVD looks like blu-ray in comparison. So far it appears Xumo is the best streaming between the three.

I'm glad you agree and it wasn't just me.

You compared xumo to the DVD?   The pilot or other content?


I'm hoping xumo is the start of a new trend but it's too bad the material was so basterdized by other outlets.

https://play.xumo.com/tv-shows/sliders/XM0AYB6TTOKW0L

Sliders is on a streaming app called Xumo now as Universal made the title part of its library for FAST outlets.  Previously the title was made for exclusive (it ended up on roku channel only bc of peacocks deal to be allowed on roku platform itself.

The good news is the image quality of the material on Xumo looks better at first glance to my eye.  Either xumo or Universal did a better job with ingestion or distribution, respectfully.   It just does not have all the blurriness or artifacts or crazy whatever that is on the roku channel version for example

I did notice that the show felt like it had a more video like quality however.  I've seen this before on some TV modes where they try to insert in extra frames or blur the motion between frames.  And you get something that feels like it's less so shot on film and more so on handheld video camera.

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Hello PicardUK!

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Jim_Hall wrote:

Now would be the perfect time for the studios to do restorations of previous films and tv shows.


agree, i think they should try to better make old new again.  or at least encourage people to look more at their library.   i think sometimes they push too many new things when people  havent had a chance to watch a lot of the  titles in the  library to begin with (newer producers stuff and classics they missed).

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ireactions wrote:

Before the writers and actors' strike, there was some indication that the excellent Ryan Coogler (BLACK PANTHER) was going to be reviving THE X-FILES either as a reboot or a continuation with a new cast.

I did hear that.

Yes, when the strikes end, I have a feeling less content will be ordered in the past.

Even if X-Files  is a bit of a mess re: mythology and handling Scully and her child, it's staying power feels significant.

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ireactions wrote:

X-FILES: THE OFFICIAL ARCHIVES: CRYPTIDS, BIOLOGICAL ANOMALIES, AND PARAPSYCHIC PHENOMENA is a wonderful book by Paul Terry. It is a collection of FBI casefiles, photographs, archival notes covering 50 of Mulder and Scully's monster-of-the-week cases. This is not a guidebook to the entire series, but rather a curated collection of in-universe documents.

I have this and love it.

I honestly wish you would do a SLIDERS book -- something more on the history of the show, perhaps with essays and critques as well. 

Although I admit it, you might only sell 100 copies (not because of the quality, of course). 

That said, it would be great to have a history before anyone associated with SLIDERS passes away --- though obviously Peckinpah is gone.

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RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

X Files had a 30th anniversary event in Saratoga Springs, New York, home of the X-Files Preservation Collection / Musuem.   They have another planned July 5-7 in 2024.

Looks like this year's was a success despite the location being somewhat out of the way:
https://twitter.com/William_B_Davis/sta … 1607228416

Coverage:
https://twitter.com/XFilesMuseum

https://www.saratogian.com/2023/07/08/t … f-x-files/


Podcast episode on the event

https://twitter.com/TheX_Cast/status/16 … 6184169473

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QuinnSlidr wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:
QuinnSlidr wrote:

No. There was never a musical episode of Sliders.

The one episode that came close was The King Is Back, but I wouldn't call it a musical, since it wasn't a sing fest from start to finish.

I would watch it, though. I love Tracy's song writing and I think he would make it fabulous.

I love the response and agree with you

However if you click the YouTube video in my post you'll see I was referring to something else lol

LOL. My fault. I thought it was a supporting video comment...

Anyway...

Yes!! Sliders has an equivalent. Presenting the Professor Maximillian Arturo "Blistering Idiot" Compilation:

https://youtu.be/unIyuBOE3c8

ha!

what about "We're from Canada"?

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QuinnSlidr wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

Does sliders have an equivalent?

https://youtu.be/Oz1c1xdoUFc

No. There was never a musical episode of Sliders.

The one episode that came close was The King Is Back, but I wouldn't call it a musical, since it wasn't a sing fest from start to finish.

I would watch it, though. I love Tracy's song writing and I think he would make it fabulous.

I love the response and agree with you

However if you click the YouTube video in my post you'll see I was referring to something else lol

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Does sliders have an equivalent?

https://youtu.be/Oz1c1xdoUFc

pilight wrote:

I got a Mill Creek collection of "50 Classic Musicals" from a bargain bin for 99 cents.  It's got a mashup picture of Fred Astaire and Lena Horne on the cover.  It's as advertised, give or take the "classic" part.  There are 50 movies, they're all musicals, and there are some staring both Astaire and Horne (not together).  The 50 films are packed onto 12 discs, front and back with two or three per side.  Some of the films are not bad, one of the Astaire films is "Royal Wedding" where he does the dancing on the walls and ceiling, but they're all terrible transfers and heavily compressed.

I don't think it was Mill Creek, but a family member picked up something similar (of different types) for my grandmother and mom at one point.  Pretty cool.  One days, we might catch SLIDERS on one of those with quantum leap, seaquest, stargate (and maybe babylon 5 and farscape?).

pneumatic wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

margins are slim and if they paid too much on the licensing fee in this one and overestimated demand, it would have probably put them in financial loss territory.

Yeah of course, that's why it would have to be the sale price that increases by $5-$10 to pay for the extra discs (assuming my estimate of disc costs was correct... for all I know it may be way off).


i guess what I was trying to say, but probably convoluted it with all the details, is that this release was for the more "price sensitive" customer who wouldn't necessarily buy it at price increases designed to support adding more discs. 

When the Mill Creek release was first announced, a website that covered DVD news (which unfortunately no longer exists) contextualized that Mill Creek was a "bargain bin" distributor (or was it "bargain distributor"?)  If you google "bargain bin" + Mill Creek there are a bunch of results that speak to that, but this one does a good job at capturing their angle:

"They're made specifically to be inexpensive product for bargain bins and impulse buys, not top-line presentations."

Of course, now that people are shopping online now, maybe bargain bins are becoming less of a thing. 

I would hope that one day there's enough technology where Universal starts get *serious* about their library and puts  forth an official blu-ray release that combines restoration + upscale, or just upscale -- although my guess is their upscale would not be as good as the effort you and ireactions have made, since they won't painfully experiment with the results.

pneumatic wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

As far as bitrate -- could that just be a product of them trying to fit more episodes per disc?   Because even an added disc cuts into Mill Creek's slim profit margin.

I guess it depends how much it costs for them to manufacture an extra disc.  Suppose we wanted double bit rate, say 7mbps instead of 3.5, then a 20 disc series is going to become 40 discs.   If we allow +$5 for the total cost of the product, that would allow for 25c per disc.   I'm not sure how much a DVD disc costs to manufacture but I'd imagine most people would be willing to pay an extra $5 for better picture quality.  Maybe +$6.60 @ 33c/disc or +$8 @ 40c/disc?


These sold on Amazon originally for about 20 bucks and the online retail price was like 29.99 tops at most places.  Wallmart.com now has it for 15.  Brick and mortar may have sold it higher back in 2019.  The manufacturer suggested retail price was 45 but online nobody sold it for that. Maybe big box had it 30, 35, 40... I am sure they would have reduced it over time if they originally priced it at the upper end of those values.

88 episodes...  target market being people who would have skipped buying initial studio releases (about 3 runs over 15 yrs).

And even with those low prices, mill creek only gets 66 to 50 percent of that (eg 15 dollars).  So it's an extremely low profit margin of dollars per unit.  15 discs is taking out at least 5 bucks just on the DVD and sleaves. More discs/sleaves at 25-33 cents really matters to them and especially multiple if they are only making a few bucks a unit.

Besides he cost of printing, packing and shipping the current set as is, there is company overhead (employees..  mill creek is a rather small team )and the licensing fee they had to pay Universal for this release (my guess $50k to 250k). Let's assume 100k.

the-numbers.com has the DVD sales estimated at $295k in total revenue (before split between retailer and manufacturer).  The number may very well be lower than that since they use a number from brick and mortar retailers to estimate marketwide price.  In any case even at 295, if mill creek got lets say 60 percent of that in share with retailers, when you take out licensing fee, overhead, production costs, shipping costs...   margins are slim and if they paid too much on the licensing fee in this one and overestimated demand, it would have probably put them in financial loss territory.

Sorry for my being long-winded on this.

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this is incredible:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/28/world/wo … index.html

pneumatic wrote:

As far as I can tell Mill Creek isn't in the business of colour grading. If I had to bet money on it I'd say they are probably just doing the disc authoring & printing/pressing.  I could be wrong.

I wouldn't even mind the lower 4.5mbps bit rate of the Mill Creek release if they had at least used the same masters as the Universal version.  As an example I just bought this knowing full well that one of the reviewers has mentioned the reduced bit rate due to the lower disc count compared to the original 2008 CBS release.  Although if it has serious mastering errors it's going back on ebay.

You'd think over time the image quality would get better, but with DVD they are actively making it worse.  Which really hurts since DVD is already suffering at 720x480 standard definition, and there is often no better option due to the streaming services being even worse (except of course for shows that were remastered in HD at great expense to the studio).

Given the surprising popularity of DVD some 28 years after its conception, maybe they should consider coming out with a "DVD+" spec for better quality video while retaining backwards compatibility and cheaper production costs compared to bluray.   For example the DVD+ spec could specify a minimum bitrate and have predefined encoder profiles agreed upon by industry experts.  They could retire the interlaced format and require all video be stored on disc as progressive, and if generated from an interlaced master it would need to comply with a certain standard of deinterlacing & ivtc defined by industry experts.   The raster size should also be expanded to 852x480 for NTSC and 1024x576 for PAL to retain 4:3 pixel density at 16:9.


Yea, you are right, they don't do color grading as far as I know.  They did have Quantum Leap on Blu-Ray HD, and Airwolf, but I think maybe Universal did the restoration on that.  Mill Creek I think usually just uses the files universal gives them (and actually contractually these types of deals with distributors don't allow them to "change" the content).

As far as bitrate -- could that just be a product of them trying to fit more episodes per disc?   Because even an added disc cuts into Mill Creek's slim profit margin.

That, or it's just them being lazy or not having the know how.

You're right about DVD though -- I am constantly surprised how it's still ~40% units sold for the home market.  A lot of people stuck on dvd for some reason.

pneumatic wrote:

I feel like I got extremely lucky with an ebay seller in the US who was willing to do international shipping on their Universal NTSC discs.  Most sellers wouldn't bother shipping internationally for such a low dollar value item, so I am very grateful to that seller.   It took about a month to arrive.   I've currently lent it to a family member and told them to be extremely careful with the discs as they are irreplaceable.

There is an encode of the Universal discs on channel BT.  The quality is ok, but I still don't like being forced to watch someone else's encode for something so beloved.   It's like it has their fingerprints on it or something.  Although that one isn't too bad compared to some others - still highly watchable - and much MUCH better than the load of crap shoveled out by Mill Creek - they're the real bad guys here, am I right people?

The thing about Mill Creek was their business model is offering very casual fan of a series, essentially 3rd, 4th run, of a disc set (that they didn't buy at 1st, 2nd run) the series at a super affordable price, and usually in "bargain bin/shelf" type placements in brick & mortar stores.   So they are trying to keep their costs on the production side as low as possible (as few discs at possible).   They may have lazily encoded the stuff, you'd know better than I, but they really are not meant to be a premium distributor, and therefore are less equipped to "getting it right" in the look of the content, and won't spend much time fiddling before moving onto the next title.

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@XFilesMuseum
We are making room for new inventory so we need to clear out the old.   This is your chance to enjoy a 10% discount on all orders over $15.00  in store and online.  Sale ends 8/1/23

https://twitter.com/XFilesMuseum/status … 8177184773

Some pretty cool items:
https://xfilespreservationcollection.co … hop?page=2

Bob Weiss joins:

https://rumble.com/v30uv2e-the-awake-na … .2023.html

Begins at the 1hr 32 minute mark

sliders conversation at 1h 57m

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is Jerry O'Connell noticably good and funny in lower decks?

His wife Rebecca is decent in the limited SNW I've seen although I guess doesn't offer anything extraordinary.  What do you guys think about her in that series?

RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

someone tell me how the streaming quality of this is acceptable?

this is what NBCU is distributing:

https://therokuchannel.roku.com/watch/e … 586f4c077f


SLIDERS s1-3 are free on vudu now with ads

i just checked out the pilot, and  it looked like dogshit.  all it does is make the series feel much older, like it was shot in the early 70s and poorly preserved.

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X Files had a 30th anniversary event in Saratoga Springs, New York, home of the X-Files Preservation Collection / Musuem.   They have another planned July 5-7 in 2024.

Looks like this year's was a success despite the location being somewhat out of the way:
https://twitter.com/William_B_Davis/sta … 1607228416

Coverage:
https://twitter.com/XFilesMuseum

https://www.saratogian.com/2023/07/08/t … f-x-files/

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Jim_Hall wrote:

As I predicted, NBCUniversal has been BRUTALLY FINED $250 (first-time offense) for tree trimming.

https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/wga-s … 235673869/

This is like when the FCC fines Facebook for leaking hundreds of millions of people's personal data.  The fine is a small fraction of the benefit of doing so.

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good lord!

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ireactions wrote:

The retina surgery clinic ran tests and say that they don't see any detachment. I went back to my optometrist who is sending me to another retina specialist to get a second opinion.

strange...

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ireactions wrote:

So, I may be less present for the next week or so. I have a partially detached retina (left eye) and am going in for laser surgery tomorrow morning. At least, I think I am. The clinic has only promised a test to confirm what my optometrist determined, but I don't see why they wouldn't give me the treatment on the day, pocket the money and send me home. I'm likely to have blurry vision for at least a week.

It's weird. I feel 23. When I look in the mirror, I see a 23 year old. (Neutrogena and Cerave.)

Then I start coming loose at the eyes and realize I'm over a decade older than I look or feel. Anyway! Try not to burn the place down while I'm indisposed.

doah!   is it possible you might have scratched your eye in your sleep or something?  I've heard of athletes with this injury if someone swipes at the ball and accidently scratches them across the eye.

if you're looking and feeling 23 though, i'd say you are doing pretty good health wise overall!

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Jim_Hall wrote:

My intellect can't grasp that article nor can my attention span with dozens of graphs.

I found this interesting graph though this morning. It compares how Streaming vs TV use has changed since 2015.

Begins at 2:10
https://youtu.be/PRk5_ohCB70?t=130

wow that was an awesome presentation

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This is an interesting article....  that  I don't yet understand

https://www.parrotanalytics.com/strateg … -pos-cons/

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Here's a source on the 800k number:

https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/s … 235226336/

Hard to believe it's even possible, even with global titles.   Must include films as well, but even then, that is a lot

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TV can be a heck of escape.

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I heard there are 800k tv series on streaming platforms (maybe that includes movies too, idk).  600 scripted shows made just last year.  Many hours of programmng.

There's a deep well that i think consumers will tap into and i dont think subscriber losses will be greater than cost savings of not producing new content. 

The truth is in the industry is bound for contraction.  The streaming services were built on a model of building libraries that consumers would want "access" to.  In the begnning, it felt unique.  But over the years, people have learned a lot of new streaming projects are not that good to begin with or they dont have time to watch all this stuff anymore.  Needing access and fear of missing out is not as big of a thing.  Since subscriptions are re-occurring, and the streamers have credit cards, most people wont cancel.  But the studios will realize as a result of this that maybe they dont need to pump out quite as much content.   Although they are in competition with each other, trying to find the next hit that draws people to their platform, they will look more heavily at the ROI on these projects because they are not driving sign ups in the same way as they did before -- even prestige projects.  And therefore they will realize a lot of spending they did in the past for certain things wont make sense moving forward.

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unfortunately, DoC is not even available on archive anymore

keep getting  error code 500.

update: archiveorg search isnt working either so probbaly a general website issue

pneumatic wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

someone tell me how the streaming quality of this is acceptable?

this is what NBCU is distributing:

https://therokuchannel.roku.com/watch/e … 586f4c077f

I can't view it due to geoblock, but in my experience the technicians who prepare the videos for streaming services don't seem to understand how older video formats work, and the DVD is almost always better quality. 

Recently bought Alfred Hitchcock Presents on DVD because Peacock's streaming version is downres'd to 240p due to the field discarding deinterlacer they used, and has a baked in frame stutter (1:1:1:2 cadence) as a result of that process.


it's likely because they likely have global settings for all content they transcode, if they do any processing.  kind of a general laziness and also a practicalness to it.

Babylon5 just announced it was coming to blu ray

Jim_Hall wrote:
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

someone tell me how the streaming quality of this is acceptable?

this is what NBCU is distributing:

https://therokuchannel.roku.com/watch/e … 586f4c077f

I've seen nothing more magnificent in my life.

lol

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ireactions wrote:

Sorry for still being less-than-present. I have been so busy taking my mother to medical appointments. The past week, I took a vacation from work and still spent all my time taking my mother to medical appointments and missed the annual indie play festival that I usually take the whole week off work to attend. My friend is having a wedding anniversary party and I suspect I'll have to miss that too. I'm hoping things will settle down a bit now that my mother is being medicated for agonizing leg pain that appears to be gout.

very sorry to hear about your mother's pain.  i know she has been through a lot already and you've had to deal with a lot yourself to help her navigate the issues.

someone tell me how the streaming quality of this is acceptable?

this is what NBCU is distributing:

https://therokuchannel.roku.com/watch/e … 586f4c077f

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QuinnSlidr wrote:

My stepdad passed away last night at 9:24 pm.

His stomach aortic aneurysm ruptured early in the morning hours of July 5th. He was rushed to the hospital with my stepsister in the ambulance (she's fine...just going along with him). They were going to do emergency surgery on him but took several hours to find a vascular surgeon who could do it (they were at USC in Los Angeles). Apparently almost nobody was available due to the short time after the holiday.

They did the surgery yesterday morning. He made it through and they were able to correct the aneurysm. Shortly thereafter there was swelling in the abdomen and they needed to take a look at that asap, which required exploratory surgery. They got him into a second surgery yesterday at around 9:25 a.m. He made it through that one, except: they found out that his entire intestinal tract was dead from the aneurysm rupture.

It was not survivable.

So, he passed away at 9:24 pm last night.

We're all still in shock as none of us ever thought this would happen so fast. We thought we'd have at least a couple years left. We're not doing well and taking things day by day.

RIP stepdad. I will miss you. So much. I am so glad I called you on the 4th.

UGH.  Oh I am so sorry.  What terrible news.

Not sure if this report is accurate:

https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/n … ooker.html

As far as.sliders, had Indiana Jones done better at the box office it would have helped a more so justify a revival because jrd being in it.

Not saying justified one but lending slightly greater credence to.

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Good summation of the state of ai and its uses. 

Not sure how much it will change but most of my comments have been pertaining to fan projects and so I think the standards are different in terms of what is valuable and what is less so.

But agree with your assessment on the landscape.

With regard to the writers strike.  Unified labor is important. Management is always happy to f*ck over labor by exercising its leverage.  A labor force that collectively bargains to do the same is how results happen. 

Hopefully the wga is willing to go a long long time on the strike to get what they need with these issues but I am worried about the pressure of personal runway vs the significant libraries the studios have already developed.   Studios have a significant fall back.  And consumers are not necessarily craving new content when there is an abundance of programming (a million things we all haven't watched or have yet to revisit) not to mention content is being generated outside of the studio system / entertainment industry.  Like tiktok, YouTube. Media in general (e.g. news and takes on it). It's also a form of storytelling.

So I am not sure if the wga can bleed studios dry no matter how long it goes.  Even if they could hold out for two yrs, the studios may never hit a point where they are willing to give on specific issues that they see as core to the future of their business.

So I wonder to what degree even with the tremendous unification of the wga,  whether it will be a deal they ultimately reluctantly accept or conversely be happy with.

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Perhaps this also happened on Guardian world

https://thehill.com/policy/equilibrium- … the-earth/

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Grizzlor wrote:

He appears on some other show called Dark Matters, but again, mostly UFO related.

https://www.jiosaavn.com/shows/dark-mat … lwQlKL6xE_

That's an older show that stopped and I think the links to the shows expired.  He was a guest on their several times and is buddies with the host Don Ecker.  Don now does a YouTube ufo show tracy was a guest on at least a couple of timds.  Of course his internet problems basically caused issues to the point where his appearances declined.  But I an pretty sure across all of the shows on both platforms his sliders remarks (including revival discussions) have been discussed on here.  On the dark matters show he did talk quite a bit about his work and the fallout with his collaborator on the ufo doc The Phenomenon which turned out to be a hit for documentary standard (and is also streaming on demand for free for Travel Channel subscribers and is also free at the moment on YouTube or tubi (can't remember which).

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ireactions wrote:

Sorry I haven't been very present here. My mother needs dialysis three times a day which has been pretty time consuming. However, that time is diminishing as the process improves. Also, my car is going to be in the shop for several days next week which will leave me housebound and writing obsessively on Sliders.tv.

Sorry for your mom's continued situation.  Glad she is getting care.

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Grizzlor wrote:

   Unfortunately another interview where they failed to get any answers out of Torme, ha ha.  Apparently Torme appears on there weekly, although I don't think I can listen to the nonsense to glean whether there's any "news."

I've heard him in his other appearances.... if you are referring to news on a revival, there haven't been any movements (everything has already been shared in past tracy interviews on other shows). 

I  think Cleavant probably recognizes the reality of the situation from how he handled the question.  Tracy is realistic but surprisingly, I don't think he feels like the door is completely shut (even with the lack of further network discussions).  I guess that's the positive attitude we'd want.

Tracy has mentioned a bunch of projects he has been considering developing though (outside of sliders).  Travis Walton wants them to re-do Fire in the Sky and tracy has considered it.  Tracy has considered other ufo-related projects.  He mentioned also some time travel project that came to him (sounded like some offer).  I don't get the sense he is actively writing now but seems to be mulling going back to doing more writing now that his health is a bit better (i suppose he has more energy on a day to day basis).

He also was involved in something I believe called Project Titan, which was a movement to get the United Nations to get involved in the ufo issue.  Here is a summary of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md89jyOXG-Y

nationally syndicated tv show "The Broadway Show" had cleavant on in october when he was still doing Wicked on broadway.   He did two years on a national tour of Wicked followed by about 10 months on broadway (finished in march 2023).

Here's the interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok9yOmGY83I


https://www.broadway.com/buzz/202746/cl … reamgirls/

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I thought it was important to share this interview as I don't think we have ever seen tracy and cleavant together.  After 28 years, this is historic.  Cleavant's energy as a person comes through.  No wonder he was always the heartbeat of the series.  Tracy's story about john and the stunts was hilarious.  Tracy told it was well.

You can see why the formula of Tracy, Weiss, and our four main characters worked.  If tracy had been able to do more black comedy, the series would have even proven to be *more* ahead of its time than it already was.

Series like Black Mirror would later do some of this. 

Say what you want about tracy but he is always interesting and its reflected in his work.

He'd never be a studio boss but I think if he was allowed to do more of his vision, he would find plenty of an audience for it.

Cleavant -- the man is magical.  It is too bad to hear about his brother.  It sounds like a rough thing for them to have to go through.  I am not sure how many brothers he has but I assumed it was his twin.

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This is absolutely delightful and will lift your heart.

Segment starts at around 1hr 30m
https://awakenation.tv/dark-projects/th … 5-24-2023/

Respectfully ask that we don't go down the rabbit hole of the politics associated with the platform.

Just enjoy the interview!   

It is so nice to see these two together.

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Also intesting that star trek prodigy was originally meant for nickolean, as someone commented in the thread.

Agree with their insinuation that network was a much better way to pull in new fans than paramount plus.

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I thought this thread was interesting

https://twitter.com/Darren_Mooney/statu … 0918763521

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Imagine if Tracy could do season 1 style sliders, over and over again, without network pushing him out.  It may never have gotten the tv ratings to support the requirements fox needed but it would have been looked back on as one of the greatest genre (and multi-genre) series put together.  People would have appreciated it over time, and it would have had a pretty extended shelf life (e.g. 2000-2013 in syndication).

I totally understand FOX's decisions, I just feel like we were robbed of tracy's creativity on an extended run.

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The great JRD learns a lesson from fans:


https://youtu.be/NOY-rFptKT8

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TemporalFlux wrote:

Not subtle at all.  Dr Franklin bluntly says that Sheridan is “sliding between parallel worlds”, and then they show Sheridan flying through the tunnel.

https://twitter.com/WBHomeEnt/status/16 … 9410478082

Interesting.

I have followed a bit on that new movie and think it's great Babylon 5 was supported by a studio in that way.

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This is quite impressing.

Check out the parent tweet ( https://twitter.com/137pm/status/1668266174549745664 )and the response to it, linked below (regarding legal implications)
https://twitter.com/hotte_ken/status/16 … 7923170314

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feels like the right will unite behind him and it will just help him politically.  people waved on him after the jan 6 mess but feels like they will come home now, if only to stand against what they don't like.