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Probably best fits in this thread, but here’s one of those ideas where you slap your forehead wondering why it hasn’t really been done often:
https://www.dcbservice.com/product/jul2 … e-annual-2
A police officer; a CSI; a detective and an investigative journalist in a locked room murder mystery.
Green Lantern; Flash; Batman; Superman.
The powers and gadgets to the side - just a story about who they are as people.
And this:
https://wdwnt.com/2020/07/guests-not-we … ney-world/
Funny story that starts with “My Dad hated Disney World”.
The last time we went was 2011 when we took my then 11 year old nephew. His parents had taken him once before, but they apparently didn’t do anything on the trip because almost everything we did was something he hadn’t seen before. One of those was the EPCOT fixture, Spaceship Earth.
As you near the end of the ride, there is the expected camera waiting to snap your photo to buy later. I look over at Dad as we approach, and he has his middle finger up to the camera with a smile.
After the ride, my nephew and I of course race down to the screens to see this legendary photo. When it appears, my father’s entire arm has been magically erased, and it’s just a photo of him smiling at the camera! They actually have someone whose job is to watch each photo as it’s taken and do Old West style quick-draw Photoshop before it hits the public view.
That said, I wouldn’t be going to Disney at all right now; but I would certainly wear a mask if I did.
I probably saw Forever twenty times at the theater; but I had free passes to any movie because of my brother’s radio job; I was in high school; and I was apparently bored. I do remember laughing every time I walked out of a showing, though.
Fun footnote - one of the ushers at that theater was a guy a few years under me in high school - Clay Chamberlin. For the past 15 years or so, he’s been doing a lot of stand-in work on films. It started with several turns for Ryan Reynolds; but lately he’s been doing it a lot for Chris Pratt. Clay pops up on screen occasionally too - such as the training video at the end of the Ryan Reynolds film “Waiting”:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zej_1n_uN0
I still remember the time Clay had to escort my group out of the theater because my brother got in a shouting match with a co-worker during a showing of the first X-men movie. Good times.
I could get behind a couple of these:
https://www.cnn.com/style/article/artis … index.html
I like the one that’s basically an M logo, but I also like this one which is a little simpler (yet still makes a sideways M):
Now talk of the Schumacher Cut of Batman Forever:
This is genius:
https://www.cbr.com/sci-fi-daryl-tv-ser … Ho0eEdEUGc
A half-hour comedy that picks up where Paramount’s 1985 D.A.R.Y.L. feature left off. What if a top-secret, 10-year-old human weapon grew up to be a 44-year-old guy just trying to keep up with a world that he was never designed for? And what if the story morphed from an ’80s sci-fi adventure movie about a child with a computer in his skull … into a single-camera comedy starring Tony Hale? The boy everyone wanted … has become the man no one needs … in the TV adaptation nobody asked for.
This is an interesting theory. Again, good fodder for an alternate reality story if nothing else:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl … 00486.html
Mr Wirth's theory about Mr Trump trying to retain power following the 2020 US election doesn't end at the ballot box, however. He believes that - should the president lose - he will claim the vote was rigged and rely on a complicated gambit involving emergency powers and the compliance of Republican legislators to stay in the White House.
According to Mr Wirth, should Mr Trump lose in a scenario where challenger Joe Biden beats him by "decent but not overwhelming" margins in the swing states of Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, Mr Trump will declare that the vote was rigged.
He will supposedly blame mail-in ballots and Chinese election interference for the loss and invoke emergency powers to launch a Justice Department investigation into alleged "election hacking" in the swing states.
From there, Mr Wirth claims Mr Trump will stall until 14 December, which is the date when states must appoint their US Electoral College electors. Because the swing states are each controlled by Republicans, Mr Wirth believes the state legislatures will refuse to certify their electors until the election hacking investigation is finished.
He then claims the Democrats will challenge the investigation and the challenge to the election, which will eventually be taken to the US Supreme Court. Mr Wirth believes the Supreme Court will rule against the Republicans, but will concede that Mr Trump's emergency powers authorise him to continue his investigation. The Supreme Court will also maintain that should the swing states not be able to certify their selectors by 14 December - for any reason - then the Electoral College will have to meet and vote for the president without the swing states included.
Under Mr Wirth's theory, the Electoral College will then meet without the swing states under investigation, and neither candidate will receive enough votes to secure the presidency. According to Mr Wirth, the contested election would then move to the House of Representatives, where each delegation gets to cast one vote towards the presidency.
Since there are more Republican controlled House delegations than Democratic controlled delegations - 26 Republican to 23 Democrats - the Republicans will be the victors of the vote and Mr Trump will remain in office.
Would he prefer to be the candidate, lose, then claim the election was rigged by the mainstream media and mail in ballot fraud?
This is the reality. Trump’s pattern is to find a way to claim he won even when he lost, and he can’t do that if he just surrenders and quits. No way Trump drops out.
Saw this earlier - “America in an anger incubator”:
https://www.chron.com/news/article/Amer … 376110.php
It reminded me of another old idea - Rage World. It would have played off the legends of Jessica Savitch and her habits of losing her cool:
Savitch’s career ended in an on-air display where she appeared to be drugged; speculation being that it was an attempt to address her issues with medication. Shortly after her final broadcast, she died in a car crash.
But what if Savitch never sought help and never took the medication? It could have led to an “I’m mad as hell” moment similar to the movie “Network” which would morph into a media landscape designed to stoke anger for ratings. We live in that world now to a large extent, but giving an over the top example could shine a little light on our current world and how we are manipulated by media.
So how could this work into a Declassified story? Well, we have Bennish who has a great capacity to make people angry. A talent agent observes a skirmish Bennish starts with the on-edge pedestrians of this world, and the agent offers to make Bennish a star. As they walk away, a tv in a window displays a show coming back from its commercial break. It’s Matt Laurer on the Today Show.
Matt clearly has a black eye, and he’s meekly looking at the camera trying to introduce a story. Then Savannah Guthrie leans over and starts screaming at him about something he said leading to her jumping on him and beating him with her fists. Off to the side Al Roker is laughing and cheering her on. That’s an example that would never be filmed (nobody’s giving Laurer a job doing anything), but this is what Bennish is walking into without realizing.
So what do the Sliders do? Do they try to save Bennish? Do they sit back and enjoy the show? Does Bennish learn anything from this adventure? Of course, the other Sliders would need their own plot as well to fill out the story; but it’s all a seed of an idea to explore anger and how it can too easily consume and control people especially if leaders are egging it on. Perhaps a look at where we’re headed if we continue down our current path; and an opportunity to think about if that’s the people we want to be.
This article is likely a wild conspiracy of some sort, but an interesting idea (which like anything, I can relate to Sliders). Be warned that the article has a passing reference to Rebels season four which may or may not be spoilers.
I don’t follow sports, but I would be very surprised to learn tournaments were being held in Mississippi anyway. I mean, I have to drive 80 miles in any direction just to go to a movie theater! But I was born here, and it’s cheap to live here.
That said, I have no attachment to the state flag; it means nothing to me. I would like to see us get a flag that we can be proud of and rally behind. Twenty years ago, they put it on the ballot with two choices - keep the flag we have or change to this:
I and the people I know thought the new flag was bland and unattractive and lacking of any apparent meaning. It didn’t inspire us. So we didn’t see a reason to change and voted to keep what we had. They’re talking now about possibly a flag with our state flower, the magnolia. A flower just doesn’t do it for me either.
Something I would like to see is a celebration of Mississippi’s history in creativity - it’s what we’re known for and yet people don’t know it. Elvis Presley was born in my state. B B King was born in my state. Brandy is from my city! Britney Spears went to school and grew up in Mississippi (my Mom was her teacher in 4th grade). Snoop Dogg has strong ties to Mississippi - about 25 years ago, he was even scouting locations to build a theme park ten miles from my house - Snoop Doggy Land. Unfortunately it fell through.
On a personal level, my grandfather’s cousin was Jimmy Boyd who was the original singer of “I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus” (and later married to Yvonne Craig - Batgirl on the Adam West Batman series).
What I would propose is a flag playing with the idea of sheet music.
Using a variation on the lines as seen in sheet music, place the stars where notes would go. Our flag could actually be a secret melody that would represent our rich history. Music unites Mississippi - it’s who we are in many ways. But that’s just my thoughts on it.
Most of the looting and vandalism is by infiltrators, be they alt-right goons or undercover cops. Most of the violence has been perpetrated by the police.
Which has as much evidence behind it as saying Antifa and the Sunrise Movement are orchestrating it. We can spin conspiracy theories all day, but the truth is that criminal elements (no matter their race, religion, gender or creed) saw their opportunity and seized it. And on all news channels, those criminal acts received as much (or more) coverage as the peaceful assemblies.
I remember a story from a couple of weeks ago. Jewish families wanted their kids to play in a New York park, but Mayor DeBlasio had chained the gate shut to prevent it. These Jewish families see massive groups of protestors out and about, so they no longer accept the premise that they will be treated differently. The Jewish families cut the lock off the gate, and they let their children play.
Mayor DeBlasio orders the gate welded shut to prevent the Jewish families from doing it again.
https://www.jta.org/2020/06/15/united-s … open-parks
Do we remember the man in Colorado who was arrested in a park because he was playing with his daughter? No one else standing near them.
https://abc7news.com/social-distancing- … r/6086163/
And this doesn’t even start to get into the myriad of reports of shaming and even threats against people in some states just because they were outside.
Not all of the protestors are wearing masks; I’ve seen the footage too. It’s also unrealistic to believe they are the one group in America who would 100% obey that guideline.
What I’m saying here - keep it consistent. Treat everyone the same because the virus doesn’t care who you are. You don’t have to agree with the opinions, but people are watching the double standard and coming to their own, logical conclusions based on what they see as opposed to what they’re told. There’s a county in Oregon that now exempts black people from the mask requirement - they were afraid it would lead to racial profiling.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lincoln-co … sk-policy/
So...blacks are immune to the virus, I guess? What?!
As for law enforcement, I’m not going to fully delve into that for professional reasons; but if people want to defund the police, I say give it a try for a few months. Let’s see how everybody holds up. Maybe it will create the utopia humanity has strove for throughout recorded history.
I am amused by the current narrative.
The George Floyd protests begin in earnest on June 3. People are on the streets rubbing shoulders for 7 to 14 days straight (and still sizeable today). The optics of the protests indicate it is largely young people taking part. We are told by the media and medical experts (including Dr. Fauci) that these protests are more important than the virus.
June 25 (14 to 21 days from the height of the protests), a record breaking spike of COVID cases covers the US causing renewed but so far limited shut downs. The news media and medical experts (like Dr. Fauci) tell us the spike is mostly in younger people, and they state the cause was relaxed standards in Republican states that led to young people going to bars and restaurants. We are told it has nothing to do with the protests.
I really hope Dr. Fauci realizes his credibility is now shot to hell with an enormous amount of people (and I base that on my personal circles - many of whom are no longer even believing the reported infection count numbers). Even some of my highly liberal, progressive friends are now saying “fuck it - let’s just go back to normal and let the virus do what it’s going to do.”
You don’t get to play politics with science and expect people to still believe you - a criticism that I believe was also laid at Trump’s feet. Either it’s okay to run through the streets with your tongue hanging out or it’s not. And the people in my circles are beyond furious that we spent three months in quarantine prison and have risked a new Great Depression just to see that sacrifice thrown away for the sake of largely uncontrolled screaming, looting, burning and killing.
And no - they don’t hold Trump and the Republicans as heroes because they did absolutely nothing to stop this virus resurgence. They equally hate Biden and Democrats for stoking the community spread. The people are not inspired - they want a new wrecking ball to politics.
Something coming free to YouTube in 5 days - a sci-fi film about parallel dimensions that is presented entirely as a video call.
https://bleedingcool.com/movies/atomic- … -lockdown/
Atomic Blonde's creator Antony Johnston has made his directorial debut with Crossover Point, a short sci-fi film made entirely in quarantine. Starring Moisés Chiullan and Casey McKinnon, the film is set during the 2020 lockdown. A journalist makes a video call to interview a scientist about his discovery of a parallel dimension — but things go very badly.
And now a new cereal goes sliding - Cinnamon Toast Crunch
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And since the video link doesn’t seem to be present, here’s the Lucky Charms commercial from the original post:
The future of kissing and sex scenes on tv: dolls and trick editing.
This could make for some hilarious television! From a parallel reality standpoint, it could also be a fun piece of story window dressing as the Sliders wonder why people are making out with mannequins on tv shows.
Another strange occurrence caused by the new reality of the pandemic - coins. I had wondered why I was suddenly getting shiny, new coins from all of my area businesses.
And so it begins:
https://deadline.com/2020/06/hollywood- … 202962093/
In other news, the imaginary show used for testing has gotten a series order because it is the only pilot filmed this year.
With Biden, we won’t really know who is president. Even if he wins, it’s not going to be him; there’s no way he can handle it.
I don’t agree with the blind “anybody but Trump” either. There are always worse people.
Another thing to mention is how the attitudes of television are about to change due to recent protests erupting from George Floyd’s death. There is no one really talking about how television will change, but we’ve been down a similar road before. For example, “The High Chaparral”:
https://truewestmagazine.com/what-kille … chaparral/
What killed the series? Assassinations.
Kent believes the “death of Robert Kennedy changed the attitude of television. They didn’t want to see people get killed, and that hurt us terribly.”
For what had been a life-and-death action series, adopting a “no-kill” policy became a credibility nightmare. Jackie Fuller, Cristal’s stunt double, recalls, “You’d have an Indian attack. A stunt man could act like he was shot, fall off the horse, but then you had to show him getting up and running off-screen.”
Soon, viewers were running away as well. The final episode, “A Man to Match the Land,” aired on March 12, 1971.
And that “no kill” policy stayed in place for a long time (probably even influencing the infamous A-Team shoot outs in the early 80’s).
With today’s climate, police are now being targeted on television. COPS and Live PD are cancelled. Even Nickelodeon’s Paw Patrol hasn’t escaped notice. It’s surely going to affect the many scripted law enforcement shows too; and some (if not most) could even face the same fate as The High Chaparral. Westerns (like modern law enforcement shows) were very popular before attitudes changed after the real life assassinations. Bonanza was cancelled in 1973. Gunsmoke cancelled in 1975.
So why does this matter? If law enforcement content is out of favor, then what replaces it? A good opportunity for science fiction like Sliders to make a come back. After all, Sliders often depicted law enforcement as the buffoon or villain; and that unfortunately seems to be where Hollywood attitudes are shifting now.
I would take an opposing viewpoint and note what attracts many to entertainment - escapism. A brief opportunity to become immersed in the fantasy of a life you would like to have - such as being wealthy or having super powers or for some just having funny friends. Under that thought, I think many would really enjoy seeing the life that they haven’t been allowed to have for months and months.
It’s a bit odd to think of a depiction of once normal life as escapism, but that’s where we are now.
To pull out an archaic example that could be useful in an alternate reality idea - why was it once hilarious to throw a pie in someone’s face? It was a very visual act of humiliation most often used as a protest to authority or a spite on the wealthy. No one could commit such an act in real life, but it certainly was funny to see that humiliation fantasy lived out in a way that wasn’t “harmful”.
Starting in the vaudeville and silent movie era at the turn of the 20th century, the pie slinging fell out of favor in the 1920’s because people were prospering. But as the Great Depression took hold leading through World War II, the practice returned to popularity for its reward of venting frustration. As the decades wore on, the meaning of the “pie to the face” began to fade; and ultimately you don’t see it much today because it’s not clear for many why that’s even funny.
But that’s a look at how culture can change, and how we’ll change through the course of this virus. Some changes will stick and some won’t. Handshakes I see going away because few will probably miss the practice; but many other aspects of pre-COVID life are likely things people would like to see again.
Reminds me of the anecdote from Robert Lee in “Summer of Love”; he was one of the FBI agents interrogating Bennish at the start of the episode. They ended up dubbing his voice in post production because he didn’t sound Asian enough for them.
The new “rules” for Hollywood scripts:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ … it-1297752
It’s kind of funny that Declassified was already written by these standards in many ways (either because of expected budget or just stylistic effect such as with the punches).
you are a executive for syfy. what do you do?
Reboot Sliders as a reality show. Using a candid-camera format, let everyday people wander into elaborately redressed city blocks populated with actors presenting a current day result from alternate history. How would the everyday person react?
Wait - I thought this was an audition to be a SyFy exec, and we had to think like they do.
With Sawyer -- what sympathetic reasoning can there be for 'joking' about cutting off women's breasts or saying they shouldn't vote?
My initial judgment would be that he hated or hates women. The question is why? Something led him there unless he is just a charming Ted Bundy style psychopath. I will admit there is that possibility.
If someone could operate on my brain and take away my social awkwardness and the handicaps that prevent me from writing Torme and Weiss/Temporal Flux style SLIDERS stories and the inherent misogyny that I only cast off at age 24 and my racism (I keep dating androgynous looking white women, it's a serious problem), I'd take it.
That's just me, of course.
But then you wouldn’t be you. People are messy; we are the sum of our experiences just as much as we are the vessel of our genetics. Certainly some need to be removed from society because they act on an impulse to hurt or kill others; but for most, our quirks and backgrounds lead to humanity's evolution as a whole. Someone saying hurtful things may not be redeemable; but them saying it likely led someone else to think about something differently and change who they were. It started the conversation.
Anyway, I can’t claim to know you well, and I don’t always agree with you; but I like you for who you are. If I knew someone was about to cut open your brain and artificially change that forever, I would fight it. It is like John Donne’s work “No Man is an Island “ - “Any man’s death diminishes me...”. Such a brain surgery would be the death of you as a personality, and we would all be cheated out of what you may have discovered and shared on your natural journey through life.
A shame about Sawyer. I think that my concern with this “cancel” is that he’s been on the show three years now, I think? If he were behaving badly on set or in person, I would hope it would have come to light before now (especially after Kreisberg), so it’s sad to me to see another career ruined and show damaged due to written acts on Twitter.
Thinking back on James Gunn, I think that the standard I would settle on is this - How do people behave face to face? Typing things on the internet can often lead to statements that do not have the consideration they would have in public before being spoken. I mean, what’s important? Is it how we actually treat each other face to face?
As the time tested phrase goes, talk is cheap; and Twitter / social media has really become a bad thing for a lot of people. Too many things are either written without thought or misinterpreted; and it ruins lives of otherwise decent people when face to face. I just don’t think that civility requires everyone to think exactly the same; and some people need help gained through conversation they’ll never have if they’re just cancelled. It was actually ireactions words regarding James Gunn on this forum that led me to see the situation differently. If he had just cancelled me, my mind would have likely never changed.
This Sawyer situation also reminds me of something I watched on CNN Saturday morning; I was curious and stopped on the Sesame Street Racism special. Children were given the chance to ask questions of experts; and the one I saw was a 6 year old boy with a question I doubt he formulated on his own. The boy stated, “I want to be a neurosurgeon when I grow up. Will I be able to operate on racist brains and change them?” News anchor Erica Hill responds as everyone smiles and laughs; she says “Oh, I wish I could tell you yes.”
Am I the only one who finds this horrifying? We’re talking now about lobotomizing people who are deemed racist, and that action is not condemned. This is “California Reich” stuff closer to reality than I would ever want it to be; but that’s one path cancel culture can lead to. How long before we cancel people’s brains? They’re really talking about this now on a kid’s show. No joke.
One thing we haven’t looked at yet - the throw-away world. Another of my favorite things with Sliders was spending a minute or two on some world at the start or the end of an episode - usually just enough for one good joke. Imagine this one from Arturo’s worst nightmares - the Sliders are on a world where everyone looks like a mime.
There’s only a few minutes on this world, but Alli spots an ice cream stand and needs a treat to make this day better. Reese is happily on board with the idea, and Bennish is off in the distance away from the group. Gibbs isn’t interested in ice cream; he says they don’t have enough time.
Alli and Reese have ordered and are waiting for their ice cream to be scooped when Gibbs leans over to Alli.
Gibbs - “Have you wondered why everyone looks like a mime?”
Alli shrugs. It’s one of the least weird things she’s seen this week.
Gibbs - “Back in the 1700’s, people wore white make-up and wigs to cover up a lot of things. Hair loss. Rashes. Scars from skin conditions.”
Alli and Reese have their ice cream and are excitedly about to take their first taste as Gibbs finishes.
Gibbs - “All caused by the symptoms they had from untreatable syphilis.”
Alli and Reese stop and slowly turn their heads to look at Gibbs.
Gibbs - “I was saying we don’t have enough time to figure it out.”
The mime-faced clerk reaches out to hand Alli her change, and she refuses with a disgusted “you keep it” gesture. Reese is looking around for a garbage can when Bennish finally walks up and snatches the ice cream cone from Reese’s hand and takes a big lick with a smile. Reese looks on in horror knowing the information Bennish does not. Gibbs lets out a big laugh.
One to file in the Strange Bridge Realities folder; but there are currently no plans to fix it, so maybe it’s our new reality.
Keep in mind the below was written in 2012. No one even dreamed of a Trump presidency then.
https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/8gvb … 000-v19n10
Scientist Peter Turchin's work suggests that the next state of upheaval in the US is set to hit in 2020.
Historically, the trouble has always come from people with power, and the number of those people who want the most power. There are too many political entrepreneurs who are all trying to get power, and they get frustrated, which is how revolutions start: when members of the elite try to overturn the political order to better suit themselves.
Well, the current riots are causing Trump to lose support, but not always in the way one might think - there are those who think he hasn’t done enough to stop it. My 76 year old mother in particular has mentioned that she doesn’t understand why he hasn’t declared martial law and deployed the military. I’ve attempted to explain how that is a slippery slope to go down (for obvious reasons), but I’m not really getting through.
It reminds me of something I saw on Tucker Carlson the other night (a guy with an off-putting, condescending manner but usually has interesting information and perspectives different from the other shows). He mentioned how die-hard supporters will forgive a lot (lies, affairs, boorish behavior, etc), but there is one thing they won’t forgive - failure to keep them safe. I’m actually seeing this play out with my mom, so I know he’s on to something.
I do agree; and if it were me, I would keep Kate Kane and just recast the role. I was only “playing the ball where it lay” if this news report is accurate. I was having some real trouble coming up with a way to do that too. The Batwoman Beyond arc in the comics was the best (and really only) way I could think of to try to do it if this report is true.
An interesting idea. I wonder if they’ll take the approach we were recently given in the Batman Beyond comic? Terry Mcginnis disappears, but someone that’s obviously not Terry shows up fighting crime in the suit. Season 2 could be a true “Mystery of the Batwoman” as even the supporting cast is trying to hunt her down and figure out who she is.
Long time Republican campaigner Steve Schmidt, who is responsible for Sarah Palin, renounced the Republican party after Trump and pinned a lengthy repudiation on his Twitter account at https://twitter.com/steveschmidtses -- and showed that it's okay to admit when we've made a mistake.
Just an aside regarding Schmidt’s tweet, but it’s rare to see someone mention that it’s been almost exactly 29.7 years since they did something. He missed the slide all those years ago and has been stuck on that world waiting.
Trump refusing to leave office should he be defeated in the November election would be severely damaging to the already-shredded fabric of America. But I'd kind of like to see this scenario of Trump's refusal to vacate play out for the catharsis of seeing Trump evicted from the White House in handcuffs:
Imagine sliding into a world where everyone is wearing one of these:
Might not have to imagine it if it catches on.
But even a simple sight gag can lead into a Sliders idea. Again, I would look at how technology has changed over the past 20 years - Face ID. Sliders often explored stories where our characters are mistaken for their doubles, but what if technology also didn’t know the difference? A Slider could have seamless entry into their double’s life; and if Face ID is extremely pervasive in a society, the Slider may be thrown into their double’s life whether they want it or it.
The original series tended to explore one or two double interactions at a time; but the Face ID idea presents an opportunity to explore all of our characters’ doubles simultaneously. What happens when four people who don’t know each other are thrown into an adventure together? This one could flip the script - a story focused on the doubles who get pushed together and, in an attempt to get their lives back, must solve the mystery of what happened to our Sliders. A reverse engineered Sliders story.
Sorry to hear of miss fortune in the last few years. I can understand about not caring what anyone is doing with the material. I felt like I paid a fortune for what most would consider Bob Weiss' trash (and actually is).
I enjoy finding out about the stories that might have been, a story I enjoy is when I was trying to get in contact with Dorothy Fontana and had to go though Marv Wolfman to do it (almost surreal).
When last we talked you had just acquired the Egyptian Timer and stated that you where determined to the Rickman Timer. I think it's awesome that you got all those Timers now.
I wish you would have just said this in an email, instead of saying nothing. I know a lot of what I talked about in those days never came to pass, sorry things couldn't have been different.
To be honest, when I stepped away; I found that I was a lot happier in life. I just didn’t want to get pulled back into it. There’s been some times I thought about getting back in (such as 2014 when I walked the Universal back lot in the footsteps of where the show was filmed; and drove from there to walk the streets of San Francisco as they did in the stories) - but ultimately, I’ve tried to keep to just some conversation here.
What helped change my mind recently is that I’m facing a surgery in a few months (depending on what’s happening with COVID). It’s supposed to be a simple procedure, and the doctor claims it has a high success rate; but you never know. There aren’t guarantees. With the same circulation issue, my great grandfather had to have his leg amputated. My grandmother died on the operating table. I would like to believe our technology and knowledge has improved since then, and I’m younger than they were; but you just don’t know.
I hadn’t mentioned it, but that’s one of the driving reasons why I finally shared my Sliders: Declassified script recently. I would say that most probably I’ll still be here for a very long time yet; but there’s a chance I won’t. For me, Declassified is something worth leaving behind. And really, sharing it was the only adequate way I could explain why I’ve loved Sliders. Sometimes you just can’t explain it; you have to show it.
And now word of a Slipknot sequence that was cut from Suicide Squad. It depicted his original capture leading into him “joining” the team.
TemporalFlux wrote:I’ve come to realize that trivia and possessions really weren’t my goal (though I admit I do enjoy having displays of the production used Egyptian timer, Rickman timer and Slidewave generator in my home).
WHAT?! Can we see?????? PLEASE!
I’ll see if I can get them lit up for a shot. It’s a bit of pain to get the batteries in the Slidewave device - you essentially have to dismantle the whole thing and put it back together. Amazingly, the bright camera ready lights on it run off 16 AA batteries.
When I got it from the prop master, he talked about how they had built a couple of them for use in the episode (one being used for the infamous spark scene that injured Jerry). But it was clear which one I got. They had taken a script and cut out Jerry’s line for that scene and taped it to the back of the emitter. lol It led me to wonder just how many secret places they had Jerry’s lines taped up in the episodes we watch.
Recent years haven’t been too kind, and I really no longer care what anyone is doing with regards to behind the scenes material. Trying to share that type of material was a miserable experience for me. I often felt like I had to spend more time trying to prove I wasn’t lying than the time it took to actually find the material.
Looking back, my real enjoyment with this community was in sharing ideas and theories about the continuity and mechanics of the series that weren’t always elaborated on in the stories. Filling in the cracks of the series and talking about it with other fans was a rewarding experience, and those efforts are the “detective work” that I’m most proud of. Ultimately, that’s all I was trying to do in finding the production materials too - I was just seeking to gain a better understanding of the series and what shaped it.
I’ve come to realize that trivia and possessions really weren’t my goal (though I admit I do enjoy having displays of the production used Egyptian timer, Rickman timer and Slidewave generator in my home).
It’s kind of funny thinking about it, but many of us lived Sliders while we were watching it.
The Sliders left home and had some fun adventures, but they kept becoming more lost as time passed. They continued to slide, though - the hope being that their next slide would take them home.
With the show, after having some fun adventures in season one and two, the show kept becoming more lost as time passed. We kept watching, though - the hope being that the next episode may bring us back to the show we loved.
Season four is also a pretty good encapsulation of that principle. The season started with promise - a tantalizing mystery setting up a semi-serialized approach. But after Slidecage, the story became more and more lost; and the reason for watching became the hope that the next episode may give us a pay off to the story arc.
In retrospect, I do somewhat regret fighting so hard to keep Sliders alive; but I was just trying to find my way back to the show I loved. And if the show was cancelled - if the slide was missed - it would be 29.7 years before we could try again.
We’re now at 20.3 years since we missed the slide on February 4, 2000. 9.4 more years and we’ll get the chance to try again if we have the heart for it.
The only thing I can think of is talk at the time that the movie was re-worked to add more comedy after the trailer was so well received (and reportedly that trailer featured the only comedic bits in the movie at that time). I got the impression back then that Ayer’s version was supposed to be more in line with the Snyder vision, so the film could have had more changes than one might think.
Edit: Just saw this article illuminating a bit more:
https://www.cbr.com/suicide-squad-what- … -ayer-cut/
Looks like there was a bit more with El Diablo too:
https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a3259 … avid-ayer/
And on a side note, someone briefly tried to start a “Release the Trank Cut!” of Fantastic Four, and Trank himself responded saying no need.
And now people have moved on to Suicide Squad - Release the Ayer cut!
Another idea:
I’ve been seeing some of the conspiracy theories lately about how a COVID vaccine will secretly put a tracking device in people or worse. Those conspiracies focus on the Quantum Dot idea:
https://www.sciencealert.com/an-invisib … nated-kids
Of course, Quantum Dots by design are a crystalline “ink” that is only visible under a special light filter; and they are researching the potential to store information on these crystals (much like the Sliders season five episode “The Great Work”). Under both concepts, there is no mechanism that can send or receive signals.
But one conspiracy in particular caught my eye for a Sliders idea; so put on your tin foil hat for a second, and let’s take a tumble down the rabbit hole.
There is a belief by some that a vaccine will implant a mechanism that acts like a signal carrier for 5G. In effect, it would turn the human body and it’s electrical impulses into a cell tower creating a near zero cost human infrastructure for expanding the ability to sell high speed broadband service in less populated areas. Of course, the conspiracy concern is that having that signal in your body will scramble your soul and prevent you from going to the afterlife. My concern would be the more obvious one - sounds like a cancer generator to me if it were to be real.
Now let’s look at this from a Sliders perspective. Our group lands on a world and discovers that the timer read-outs are scrambled. As they investigate, they discover this world has willingly went down the human cell tower route; and like cigarettes, the population doesn’t really care about the side effects because they’re addicted to the smooth, fast paced, cool life that the high-speed service offers. Even on our world, people knew cigarettes were bad for them long before the lawsuit was won; people just didn’t care. We’re still that way with trans fats and many other things too.
But the Sliders have a dilemma on cell tower world. With all ability to buy or sell also tied to the injected transmitter, they either must try to undertake a journey with no resources to a rural, secluded area far away from any people and timer interference; or they have to give in and accept the injection knowing that they will then become a signal emitter unable to be near the timer and leave this world.
The twist of the story would relate to something we don’t think about much - how often do the Sliders willingly let someone else hold the timer? You see, that’s the other part of the conspiracy theory I didn’t mention - these same people believe social distancing is meant as training because when people stand too close together, the human cell tower signal doesn’t work. So after all the Sliders’ suffering and near starvation during a run from civilization, the solution to the Sliders problem was to just let someone from that world hold the timer. The signal would stop working and the timer systems would no longer be jammed.
It could be an interesting way to look at how we judge other people’s decisions and how we sometimes run from them because we don’t understand their point of view; but in the end, we’re all still human beings with the same virtues and vices no matter what form they take.
My regret is that there are possible similarities to the season five episode “New Gods for Old”, but I think there are more than enough substantial differences. The key would be to look at the comparisons to people’s attitudes on things like cigarettes and how our culture was built around them for so long (especially in the 50’s and 60’s).
https://www.cinemablend.com/television/ … guggenheim
Re-casting a live action part is probably the most difficult hurdle to overcome in my opinion, but I do agree with Guggenheim’s philosophy. Limits and challenges breed innovation and creativity. Without those obstacles, we would be missing some of the most iconic moments and ideas in movie and tv history.
In any case, a good attitude given the circumstances.
Day would be a pretty good fit. And Krypton was a pretty good show; it wasn’t perfect, but it’s likely as close as we’ll ever get to a well executed, full-on alien side of live action DC (though I did read that Legends is focusing on aliens next season).
Personally, I really liked Man of Steel except for the ending with Zod and how they handled Pa Kent’s death. BvS was too dark for DC in my opinion; and Justice League was okay but not great.
It’s one thing that’s amazed me. Marvel is making the tone of what I would expect from a DC movie; while DC has been making more of what I would expect from Marvel. Total flip.
Reportedly some more insight into why Ruby left. A mutual decision? Allegedly she didn’t want to be there, and her attitude made the production not want her to be there.
https://bleedingcool.com/tv/batwoman-ru … -decision/
We know from Sliders that filming in Vancouver can be miserable; our original cast complained about it too in press screeners. Could easily be something to this
From everything I’ve read, it was pretty much done except for the editing, CGI and such. Even the intended score by Junkie XL was already done. But with 20 or 30 mil being thrown at it, they could probably convince actors like Cavill, Momoa, Miller and Gadot to come back and do something. They can forget getting any help from Affleck, I’m sure.
There should be some interesting things in this cut, though. I’m curious if my theory about Wonder Woman is correct. It seemed out of place that she lacked confidence to be the leader in the final version; but I suspect that’s a fragment left from Snyder’s intended story. I believe in Snyder’s opening gambit with Wonder Woman, she failed in stopping the bomb and people died. That would shake her confidence.
Nothing would be off the table; this is really just for fun anyway. 
That’s a good idea concerning social media, but still faces some quibbles with two Reese’s having the same username / email address and same password. Anything would require some suspension of disbelief, but yours may be a smaller gap to cross.
And the serial killer thing was conceived as a Quinn story, so it was never intended for this; I just saw some similarities in concept. My instinct with regard to a Reese story is that a serial killer revelation at the end could ruin the “journey” goal of a story. That revelation would essentially take you back to where you found Reese (over-cautious; pessimistic; etc); so it would make for running around in circles instead of moving forward.
Um....so Ruby Rose quit Batwoman.
Now *that* is a cliffhanger.
Still something not seen often at all these days. Very strange.
Personally, I think CW would be better off lobbying WB hard for a Batman show and just cancel Batwoman. It’s going to be messy trying to work around Ruby’s departure (if it can even be done).
We are living in a Sliders episode right now.
lol - Personally, I think Sliders should leave your head spinning a little; and I feel like that’s what happened in season one. Not only does it add to the “feel” of being lost and uncertain (placing us in the Sliders shoes), but it makes the episodes very re-watchable as you notice more new things on multiple viewings.
There were many things in the Declassified script that people probably didn’t catch on the first go around because they didn’t know where the story was going yet. Probably my favorite was the gameshow world newspaper headline “Countries Face Off on International Feud”. The idea was that the United Nations on that world was set up as a game of Family Feud. Diplomats from disputing countries would guess the most popular answers concerning issues from their countries based off survey polls; and whichever country best knew the people’s wishes would be judged as winning the dispute. In other words, does your opponent know your people better than you do?
But the pacing of the stories is also based on a predictive quality of where our society is heading. If you look at what children are watching now, what used to be a 22 minute cartoon has been cut in half down to 11 minutes. Look at companies like Quibi whose business model is reducing stories into bite size bits. And I would note too that content (including cartoons) is becoming more sophisticated.
I was surprised that the final season of Steven Universe focused entirely on Steven having post traumatic stress disorder because saving the universe as a child and facing death (including his own) had left him scarred; and when the day was finally won with peace reigning, Steven didn’t know what to do with himself and he started having a true nervous breakdown. I mean, this is a popular kid’s show putting this out there.
This is what the young are being trained to enjoy - a bombardment of entertainment that keeps their neurons firing and makes them think. And as the years continue and these people get older, you’re likely to see these compressed models used more and more because they’ll be running the world. Sliders at its start was once again well ahead of its time.
I also look at something Greg Berlanti said. Many were amazed at how quickly he progressed storylines on shows like Flash. Ideas that used to last years (like hiding your secret identity from your love interest) were instead dealt with in the first year. Berlanti said this was based on a regret he had from Eli Stone. With that series, Berlanti had many ideas the show was building to, and then it was cancelled before he could get there. Because of that, Berlanti treated the CW shows (especially Flash) as though each season was the only one he was going to get; so everything they had in mind was put out there and not held back.
But that’s where I’m coming from, and I wouldn’t change it. I think Music Video world and the serial killer idea would fit well together; but I wouldn’t add anything beyond that. And really, the budget would probably just come down to extras and props; and even that could be cheated a little. Imagine that the Sliders land in the “Green District” where all buildings, lamp posts, benches, etc are painted the same lime green. It’s a ready made green screen stage in public where steamers could insert all sorts of cgi that’s only visible to their viewers and not in real life.
The idea came to me recently from watching ELeague Super Punch on TBS. it’s a hit or miss show, but they recently did an interview with a guy using the handle TheSushiDragon. He produces a variety show on Twitch where he sometimes uses a cyber punk style harness with programmed hot keys that allows his videos to play like he’s in a video game as long as he’s in a green screen area.
https://www.fanbyte.com/features/guy-da … ns-twitch/
But yeah, I just see so much you can cram into stories. I have a list of ideas on paper and in my head that I can pull from, and I’m constantly seeing new things as society evolves or I’m introduced to some piece of history I didn’t previously appreciate.
Maybe our parallel reality back-drop for Text World could be a variation on something I mentioned here before. We’ve had much talk of universal basic income lately, and the recent stimulus is somewhat of an experiment with it; but a basic income is nothing new. In Alaska, each resident of the state receives a check every year based on the dividend of oil and mineral revenue. Some Middle Eastern countries do the same in greater amounts.
What if the United States had some natural resource so lucrative that every citizen received a lavish basic income? It could lead to similarities with the liberating parts of the Roaring 20’s:
https://www.history.com/topics/roaring- … es-history
For a snapshot in time, we’ve kind of gotten a glimpse of this lately when people had too much free time on their hands; and what happened is that everyone started trying to one up each other in social media videos.
Which brings us to this reality - What if life was like an 80’s music video? Dancing flash mobs; strange public stunts; people singing in the streets for no apparent reason - but what’s actually going on is everyone is trying to film something for social media. And if our new Sliders landed in public view, they might unwittingly be pulled into it.
Such a world could also camouflage the red flags of what’s really going on with Reese’s sister if we took the more sinister route of the Venus fly trap idea.
Anyway, just thinking out loud. It’s fun that I haven’t had in awhile.
Thought on it some more, and it’s stretching into a better idea. It could actually kick something off like the Starman comic’s “Talking with David” that happened once a year; or the O’Brien hell episode once a year on DS9. The tweak would have it presented as more of just a human story similar to how “As Time Goes By” was more a look at the relationship of Quinn and Daelin with parallel realities just a back drop.
Our new Sliders land in a new reality and are exploring around when Reese’s phone indicates there’s a new text message. The simple message - “Are you there?” The group is a bit shocked his cell phone would even work, and Reese decides to respond. During the conversation, he comes to realize who it is. It’s his sister who died years ago - the circumstances of her death being what shaped him into the cautious, pessimistic person he is today.
They go to his sister as the timer has them stuck on this world for quite a long time, and the story unfolds as Reese reconnects. It turns out that she lost her Reese years ago. But sometime during our visit, our Reese notices her phone is unlocked and takes a look. She has sent the same “Are you there?” message to his number at the same time everyday for months upon months.
Maybe her initial digging into her brother’s disappearance revealed that he left their world; so she’s kept paying her Reese’s phone bill to keep the account active. The hope is that one day he’ll come back and respond. So far through these texts, she’s met three different Reeses that stumbled, lost into her reality - but her Reese still hasn’t returned.
It’s kind of a re-work of my old “Venus fly-trap for Sliders” idea, but the sinister element removed. Or, maybe it works better with this sinister element left in. For those that don’t know, that was an idea I had about a Quinn double who used “Missing: Quinn Mallory” posters to lure Sliders to his home thinking they may find sliding equipment. The Quinn double then kills them. He’s a unique kind of serial killer; and buried in his back yard are the bodies of twelve different Quinn Mallorys.
Anyway, the Reese idea would still need a little alternate history back-drop of some type and something for the other Sliders to do, but it could be a story that’s lighter on the sci-fi side and more of a human story exploring what makes Reese who he is. And every year the show could revisit the idea as Reese tries to find his sister’s double on whatever world they’re on so they can have a talk.
I had some inklings of what episode 3 would be, but had an interesting thought tonight.
Most everyone probably takes their cell phone and its capabilities for granted today. Obviously cell phones existed in 1995 (the Sliders prop is made from one); but cell phone signals weren’t broadcast the same then as they are now. Also, text messaging didn’t really start to become popular until 1999 when the ability to exchange texts between cellular networks started to make it more practical.
https://mashable.com/2012/09/21/text-messaging-history/
This is something that was never really explored on the original Sliders as a result; but with everyone carrying a cell phone today, what if a newly lost Slider landed on a parallel earth and they started receiving text messages on their Earth Prime phone? Would they know the person? If they followed the conversation, where would it lead? And why is the Slider the only person responding in that reality? What happened to the true owner of the account?
Not sure on the technical ins and outs of that; but with a little forgiveness, it could be an interesting way to explore a character’s life and the type of reality they’ve landed in.
Interesting, the "Nancy Grace" angle. Trying to think back to the late 90's, there weren't too many media formats that would have covered this other than Howard Stern or National Enquirer or something like that.
I only meant that it was the kind of material Nancy Grace would jump on; and this was written during the height of her popularity. These types of sensationalized stories were popular long before her, though; and the only indication we get of this Sliders missing persons idea is through a few, old newspaper headlines.
Also, was Sliding declassified to the public? That seems unlikely given that most conspiracy theorists allege pretty much nothing is by the federal government.
Under my idea, it was never declassified except for that one, targeted leak of information to Bennish as the government tried to force Gibbs’ hand.
You know what's ironic is, when I scan through television (network and streaming), Sliders would STILL have no place! Science Fiction tinged in sarcasm and humor? Everything is either kid/teen overload like Stranger Things or Locke and Key, or extremely dark. I suppose Supernatural is an exception. I would hate to see this script concept or any other given the teen treatment. While I look forward to the new Ghostbusters, which does that, it's not right for Sliders.
Ugh - yeah. At least for me, Sliders can’t be adequately explored through teenage eyes. Sliders is usually based on strange new restrictions or rules that appear in society, and that wouldn’t be something unusual for a teenager. Even in a non-fiction setting, teenagers already believe they live in some parallel world with non-sensical rules designed just to harass them.
ireactions wrote:Trank feels he made a mistake in his handling of F4:
https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/josh-t … ent-wrong/Trank shares some blame, but the movie was based on the unpopular Ultimate Fantastic Four premise. Working in those parameters, it was going to be an uphill battle no matter who directed it.
The only real good things to come out of Ultimate Fantastic Four were the zombie universe (The Frightful Four) and the fall of Reed Richards as he showed Doom that Reed was a better villain than him too.
*gapes at Temporal Flux*
ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR was... unpopular... ? Ultimate Reed becoming a villain was... good?
TF is making me wonder if I am completely out of step with superhero comics now which, I admit, I don't read too often. I tend to let things pile up for a few years on Comixology and then catch up. I read everything between AVENGERS VS. X-MEN and HOUSE OF X last month.
ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR was a neat reimagining of the team with Reed as a gifted teenager drafted into a US Army think tank in New York City with Sue Storm as a scientist, Johnny tagging along just for the hell of it and Ben as the only friend Reed had from childhood. Mark Millar and Brian Michael Bendis did (I thought) a great job of updating the 60s team for the 2000s by making everyone (a) teenagers and (b) working for a US Army weapons farm and Reed and Sue accidentally turning themselves and two innocent bystanders into superweapons. Millar's action-oriented set pieces and Bendis' hilarious dialogue were (I thought) a winning combination for the first arc.
Then came Warren Ellis, who brought his brilliant hard science approach into exploring how Mr. Fantastic stretches. How the Invisible Woman manipulates the molecular structure of her body. How the Human Torch can ignite. And how Ben is basically immortal now. Ellis had several great arcs and after a fill-in with the equally clever Mike Carey, we had Mark Millar bring his crazy action lunacy back to the team as he advanced the characters from operating within a secret branch of the army to existing as independent superheroes (and brought in the Marvel Zombies). Then Mike Carey came back again with some exciting extradimensional adventures that brought the crazy Kirby adventure with the youth of the Ultimate FF.
It was very much the energy of SLIDERS with the sci-fi creativity of Douglas Adams and the humour of David Mamet -- but now that I think about it, maybe it wasn't that popular because Marvel ended up blowing it all apart with that weird ULTIMATUM crossover that massacred the X-Men and the Ultimate Avengers and blew up the Fantastic Four's headquarters and had the team break up.
I guess Marvel wouldn't have blown the team apart if the book had been selling well.
Then came that very odd ULTIMATE ENEMY series where Reed killed his parents and sister and attacked the Earth with his new alien allies and became a crazy supervillain, a bizarre turn of character that was completely at odds with the gentle, polite, merciful scientist who tried to help Doom, clearly adored his baby sister, and spared the Marvel Zombies when he could have gassed them to death and called it a day.
It was the equivalent of Quinn Mallory becoming an emotionless sociopath in Season 4 of SLIDERS and I waited for the comics to explain what the hell was going on. Instead, Ultimate Reed became even more of a psychopathic, mass murdering sociopath who renamed himself The Maker.
It was bizarre and everything there remains as incomprehensible as Quinn being unconcerned with Wade in "Mother and Child" and as baffling as Quinn being indifferent to rescuing his mother and adopted home Earth in "Revelations" and as traumatic as the Professor's horrific murder in "The Exodus" and typing all this is actually making me upset and distraught and pained and agonized and confused and Temporal Flux is right and ULTIMATE FF was a terrible experience I can't go through this again good bye.
lol - well, in hindsight I mischaracterized my statement. I should have said those were the only *memorable* things that happened (not necessarily good). I was caught up in this amusing thought that Doom was once again humiliated by Richards when Reed was more evil in villainy than Doom could be.
But of the Ultimate titles, I feel the FF was never the one people were talking about. Ultimate Spider-man was the success story. The Ultimates had the memorable moments and ideas (many, like Sam Jackson’s Nick Fury, translating on to the MCU). But Ultimate FF was never really in the conversation. Even if you talk to Marvel Zombies fans, I would bet that many wouldn’t remember it started in Ultimate FF.
Trank feels he made a mistake in his handling of F4:
https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/josh-t … ent-wrong/
Trank shares some blame, but the movie was based on the unpopular Ultimate Fantastic Four premise. Working in those parameters, it was going to be an uphill battle no matter who directed it.
The only real good things to come out of Ultimate Fantastic Four were the zombie universe (The Frightful Four) and the fall of Reed Richards as he showed Doom that Reed was a better villain than him too.
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I didn’t want to dive too deep into it in the narrative; but when trying to figure out how to do a quick nod to the original show at the start, I started to realize there could be more to the story of the Sliders disappearance from an Earth Prime perspective. So far, all we had seen of that perspective was season two’s “Post Traumatic Slide Syndrome”; and it was presented as though people had been somewhat worried for a year or more, but they never really thought of the disappearance as anything sinister. But thinking in our world’s terms, couldn’t this all be something blasted on Nancy Grace every night? Let’s look at this.
Hours before the disappearance, Arturo and Quinn exhibited a rivalry by verbally fighting in a university class - Arturo especially hot headed with a history of losing his temper. Then Arturo is seen alone with Wade in front of Quinn’s house; and interviews with people in their lives would note that Wade wanted a romantic relationship with Quinn. Rivals. Lovers. This thing could easily blow up into a sensational story in our culture; and the FBI wouldn’t help in the matter. *We* know the FBI was looking at the sliding equipment, but what would the public think when suddenly the FBI shows up at Quinn’s house? Then the FBI starts interviewing the people in our Sliders’ lives (like Bennish) which adds more fuel to the gossip fire.
The only thing standing in the way of the rampant gossip would be Mrs. Mallory, but who would believe her? That’s when I started thinking about these strange sci-fi movies that Lifetime likes to make, and then the whole idea fit together with that crazy movie adding a little bit of levity to this dark train of thought.
But that’s another aspect I loved about Sliders - all the little seeds dropped in for people to analyze and discuss on Internet forums. Another example of that is something I’m sure that everyone overlooked - Why was there a slinky in Suicide Reese’s lab? It was a prop used by that Dr. Reese to explain the Helix Spiral theory used by the original Sliders to create the timer countdown.
Our new group took Suicide Reese’s lap top to reboot the timer; but what was yet to be revealed was that the contents of his lap top were a little different. Our group unknowingly downloaded the Helix Spiral countdown into their timer; and they would discover this in episode two when they notice their timer is now unexpectedly counting down.
But all of these elements and humor and true social commentary (not just politics) - this is what I would love to see.
Wait, WHAT?
When was it established that Harrison Wells and his doubles were retroactively erased from the past?
When was it established that Jay Garrick was erased from the past?
I don't remember this at all! Maybe I was looking at my phone when this established. What?!!?
lol - they haven’t said yet, but it would logically follow. If Earth Prime was now always the only earth where our heroes lived together, then there were no parallel earths for those other characters to come from. Certainly our main characters (like Barry) remember them, but the new Earth Prime history would have formed without the influence of parallel earth characters.
Even in the comics, the general public didn’t remember the details of Crisis or even the existence of the destroyed parallel earths. The public and most heroes just had this memory of something really bad that happened called The Crisis where Barry Allen died. They didn’t even remember Supergirl died because she never existed on the re-formed Earth Prime.
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