Really sad to hear about the passing of Tracy. Sliders has always been a massive part of my life. I don't even care any more what structure it comes in ... I just hope that the show comes back again some day.

Expectations for this hastily re-jigged pilot to Quantum Leap were low ... but I really enjoyed it. I absolutely love that it was a continuation, and not a reboot, building on the foundations and lore of the previous show and continuing it by both paying homage and injecting some new life. The end result is an almost mystery-drama with action that fits really well as the scenes shift (though quite hastily, understandably however because of the re-jigged pilot) from the past and the present day Quantum Leap project.

That opening intro monologue (voiced by the original I believe) gave me chills!

You were never going to replicate Sam and Al (and shouldn't since this is a continuation) so the new dynamic is interesting enough for me. Minor spoilers incoming as it's hard to talk about the pilot otherwise  ***** I love the dual connection - not just their relationship, but that Addison was actually meant to be the leaper and Ben the guide. ****** That's such a cool situation that I can't wait to see developed more. You see it with Addison having more practical ideas about the escape, and in Ben's awkward approach to presenting himself as a tough guy. I really hope this is played up numerous times as we slowly see Ben grow more comfortable with talking and opening up to people.

The mystery of Ben leaping and the investigation at Project Quantum Leap already has me invested. This is the hook that will keep you watching as we learn more about the project, Sam's disappearance, and what is currently going on. The homage to the original, but allowing itself to be it's own thing, is fantastic. This is what the Charmed reboot/mid-boot/other-universe (doesn't freaking know what it wanted to be) ... should have been. Not insulting the fans by butchering the original story, but by embracing the history and spinning a new tale from it.

The Project Quantum Leap cast are all great, sans the security lady (whose name escapes me at the moment), but it's early days.

And the homages / story connected to Al and Sam were all great.

There were some negatives of course. Again, you could tell the hastily re-written parts, and there were some mightily cheap scenes (that car drive background was so awful and distracting). Also, this show absolutely needs an intro - a title card will simply not do (again, hoping that's because it was just the new pilot). The 'mirror image' effects needed a tiny bit more work as well as not having the trademark audio cue. It's so tied to the original that not having it felt quite jarring and you immediately felt like something was missing. If you are playing up the nostalgia then these small things make a big impact. I'm hoping the monologue will remain, though updated. If we get that but not an intro, I feel like I could be satisfied.

Also, (again, pilot re-write problems) some of the Project Quantum Leap scenes didn't have the best dialogue. But you could tell it was re-written hastily.


All in all though, I found this to be a great start. Did it make me think that this was prestige TV? No. But it did hit my nostalgia bone and I really enjoyed the ride. The characters and the mystery will keep me watching and I can't wait to see the training wheels come off.

Caution, EXTREMELY minor spoilers for the film. Very small, but you have been warned!














TemporalFlux has posted several homages over the years, including several that Disney / Marvel have done (the most recent being in What If), so I think it's no coincidence that another Sliders homage has popped up.

I won't go into any specifics, but during the film, Strange and his companion arrive in another universe, and the very first thing highlighted is the 'red means go / green means stop' concept from the Sliders pilot. He even goes as far as repeating the mantra as he traverses the streets, exactly like Quinn when driving.

I instantly did a double take as it just jumped out at me. I just thought that was very interesting.

RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

The argument I would make for crossovers is that generally the network or studio might care about the franchise more because it is a way to create a shared cinematic or televised universe.   Universal hasn't really given a crap about Sliders.  That may have been different had they done crossovers.

I just wanted to highlight this as I've seen it mentioned a few times when discussing the concept of a crossover. The structure of a crossover back then is a lot different to how it would be structured now, in my opinion. Not only has the visual and viewer consumption landscape changed, but also both viewers and network's expectations. A crossover back then was usually quite simple - letting a character(s) briefly step into another show, usually aiding or propelling a plot forward, and then they would call it a day.

However, when talking about crossovers in today's landscape, everyone and their dog is looking to catch that MCU magic - to create that shared cinematic / television universe that you mentioned. If done now, I can't see it being that simple one-and-done structure. Networks are absolutely eager to create their own mini MCUs - with character(s) stepping in and out freely from one show to the next, all with varying degrees of relevance.

You know what I'm going to say - that very idea absolutely terrifies me on how they would apply that to Sliders and whatever other show they had rebooted / revived at the same time. That actually makes me wish for the types of crossovers that has been mentioned in this thread ... but I don't see that as what they would want to accomplish. Before the zeitgeist is over (and it doesn't look like it will be over any time soon despite so many minority but vocal outcries about the MCU's interconnected universe), that is the structure that I believe they most want to capture. To get viewers invested in every one of their shows.


Side note. It's also quite interesting that Whedon almost pulled this off himself. Buffy and Angel were one of those rare shows where the crossovers were more advanced - not only because they shared a set of characters due to the latter being a spin-off, but you sometimes had one storyline or arc continue directly into the other show. If both had remained on the same network, it has been stated that there would have been more characters going back and forth. Which would have expanded even further if the Watcher or Willow shows had gotten off the ground.

But I digress.

TLDR:

I would actually beg for the normal crossovers that you all have mentioned if the idea was to do them in a reboot / revival. But I can't help feeling we'd end up with that interconnected universe format. And I would hate it. Personally.

ireactions wrote:

If there is a revival/reboot and there are crossovers, I will carefully catalog them for you so that you do not have to watch them. I will set up a Wikia specifically so that crossovers are noted and you can avoid them and not have your (hypothetical) viewing experience marred by them. I will help you out with this. I would never, ever want you to have to watch something you don't want to watch and there is no limit to what I will do to assist you in this matter. I am on your side even if I don't share your tastes.

You know, since I survived everything that series 3, 4, and a head-in-a-jar Wade, threw at me, I believe that I wouldn't need your viewing protection from a hypothetical crossover. I'll watch and judge accordingly.

No Slidehead will ever stand alone. Know that you are among us even when you stand apart. We are with you. We go with God. We will not stopped.

Er, this is sounding quite like a white-robbed, "Jebediah with his 5 wives", cult here. I'll pass lol.

ireactions wrote:
Slide Override wrote:

Rant about how if you write a story Slide Override doesn't care for in concept or execution, you shouldn't have ever written it at all and your writing is therefore ludicrous and Slide Override's likes and dislikes are a universal restriction to be enforced upon all with no exceptions ever.

Now that's just childish.

You are mistaking the actual ability to do something with whether that something should even be done in the first place. There is a clear difference. Yes, Sliders could easily crossover into INSERT SHOW NAME HERE without needing a conceited contrivance to arrange that set up. The premise allows it without breaking a sweat. The question is - should it? The majority of viewers, and the networks themselves, would more than likely say that it shouldn't.

Shows (of that time) usually fall into the cameos or crossover traps for only a few reasons - when they have run out of ideas, when they have a spin-off vehicle to peddle, or in a vein attempt to boost viewership. The first reason is ludicrous because of the limitless potential of the show. The second was unneeded and not the goal here. So the only reason to do so is to boost viewership. This is exactly what series 3 attempted with the movie-rip-off-of-the-week formula in order to keep things exciting - lots of action, lots of major rips of popular popcorn fodder.

The general consensus is that this didn't work.

No one stated that people who implement crossovers are creatively bankrupt. What I will personally say is that it IS creatively bankrupt when applying it to this show. 100%.

You are free to believe that good storytelling means using all tools effectively and meaningfully. I would normally agree with you, however, some tools are better than others, and you most certainly do not apply ALL tools to every story. No matter how good of a storyteller you are, that is a recipe for disaster.

Setting aside your personal beliefs and connection with Sliders, it is extremely hard to believe that crossovers would have made this show better.

QuinnSlidr wrote:

God no. Please. No crossovers. The Marvel Universe makes sense.

But not crossovers on Sliders. In general, crossovers happen when networks are entirely out of original ideas.

Sliders is a series with so much original idea potential it would be criminal not to exploit that.

Like John Rhys-Davies said...Sliders could have been the next Star Trek if executed properly.

I love you.

With such a wealth of endless possibilities, crossovers are the last avenue that Sliders ever needs to go down. The blatant movie of the week rip-offs from series 3 were bad enough.

That remark from JRD always hits me. It really could have been. It should have been. Such a shame.

pilight wrote:

JOC isn't too old to lead a network TV show.  He's younger than Queen Latifah, who's headlining The Equalizer.  He's younger than Shemar Moore, the lead in S.W.A.T.  He's 10 years younger than Rob Lowe, star of 9-1-1: Lone Star.  There are plenty of other examples.

Thank you.

I'm really not sure where this has come from, but "older" male actors is not a thing that Hollywood has any issues with at all.

There are many genuine reasons why rebooting an old show while keeping the old cast won't work, but JOC's age is NOT one of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILHq4MFctmI

Warning. Very quick and dirty trailer. But I was bored.

With an intellect that rivals her father's, and a sense of adventure taken from her late mum, Jade Mallory is a force to be reckoned with - which is why she often lands herself feet first into trouble. Unfortunately, she also ends up dragging her best friend, and on-off romantic interest - Rembrandt Brown Jr, into most of her escapades.

But nothing could have prepared either Jade or "RJ" for the secret that had been hidden within their families.

It has been 29.7 years since Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo missed the window of opportunity and were forced to make a life for themselves on a parallel world.

But Jade discovers the timer ... and the window of opportunity has arrived...

It's odd. Though the two aren't comparable in the slightest, but after watching Ghostbusters: Afterlife, I just can't help pondering that a Sliders 'passing the torch' reboot really would do well.

TemporalFlux wrote:

The series opens on Quinn and Wade’s daughter having discovered something unusual in her search for anti-gravity, but she can’t quite get it to work.  She lives with her father Quinn who is ready to turn the house into a bed and breakfast if his daughter will ever graduate and move out.  Quinn has raised his daughter alone after his wife (Wade) died years ago.

But Quinn had another life his daughter doesn’t know about, and a special anniversary is on the horizon.  Quinn opens the safe in his home and looks at the timer.  He and his companions all agreed to meet again when the timer reached the end of its count, and Quinn calls Rembrandt to see if he’ll be there.

You can see where it would go from there.  Quinn and Rembrandt have no intention of sliding, but Quinn’s daughter and her friends cause things to spiral out of control.  That idea could work, and it would play into legacy ideas like the Ghostbusters reboot.  If Ghostbusters is successful, that could be a selling point for Torme’s idea (if that’s the direction he’s going).

Grizzlor wrote:

I agree, with a likely situation being the daughter dreams of Sliding and/or is rebellious and doesn't listen to her dad.  She accidentally sets it off or something, and they get sucked in.  Of course, it would only be fitting for Rembrandt to be sucked in as he drives up to their house, in another Caddy!

The idea of watching the interplay between a rebellious teenage daughter who, not only back-talks her father, but is on par with his intelligence (and is generally a lot more street smart) would be ace! But I'm also not sure that I'm completely in love with the idea of Quinn and Rembrandt accidentally getting caught up in events again. Or the thought of not giving the newbies a chance to shine without this massive backstory or veterans looming over everything.

So I'd probably twist it a little.

With the window of opportunity now resurfacing, I'd rather Quinn and Rembrandt contemplate - and quickly discard - the idea of leaving since this is now their home. However, his daughter (both curious and smart) activates the timer and sets off with her companion(s), also grabbing her Dad's video recordings of his adventures that he had stashed away in the safe.

This would both allow the newbies to take center stage and have the oldies be interspersed throughout the adventures as Quinn and Rembrandt start from scratch to try and rebuild the timer and track his missing daughter. The video journals would allow Quinn to feature in many episodes (possibly spouting key survival points about Sliding and the timer) and it could also serve as a vehicle for Sabrina if she didn't want to commit fully. Her counter-points to Quinn about what she deems crucial about Sliding would be fun.

Mid season, or close to the end, would then see Quinn and Rembrandt actually slide out, able to track her trail and see either the benefits or the fallouts of the worlds that his daughter has been on (reusing sets and saving some money) before reuniting on a world in the finale.


But that's just a random thought I had. Them all sliding out at the same time would obviously work, but if we are going to ignore the latter seasons, then you might as well just give the new people a chance to shine first and foremost and interweave the 'backstory' and the old cast bit by bit.

If this monkey paw wish really does come to pass, I really do hope that it is a clean slate reboot.

My heart can't take this. Please let this be so!

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I would definitely prefer an audiodrama other an animation. Though you could be tempted to go wild with the concept of worlds in both, I usually find that you get deeper characterisation and character-to-character moments within an audiodrama, which I've personally always found to be at the core of the show and not the various worlds.

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Ok ... that's pretty cool.

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How attached are you to the 'venus fly-trap' concept? I think with some minor tweaks it could be turned into a really touching and emotional episode - but that may be the complete opposite direction that you are after for this, lol. I'm not an expert on the technology itself, but there seem to be too many hurdles for the phone to actually work in practice. Spit-balling, as I have done zero research, but it appears that for a phone to work on another world, the carrier and service provider would need to be the same, the unique phone / chip ID would have to not be in use, and the contract would have to be continually paid.

The idea I had while reading your outline proposal was to frame the set up a little simpler. Reese simply connects his phone to Wifi on another world. He suddenly gets a ton of notifications from his social media page from his dead / disappeared sister. Every year, on the day of his disappearance, she posts a message on his wall, hoping that he is safe and ok, as on this world he was the one who had disappeared. She also shares several facebook memories on the day that they occur every year with the two of them. When Reese realises that this is a chance to see and reconnect with the sister that he lost, he tracks her down.

That leads into the usual Sliders scenario of 'will he or won't he?' in regards to telling her the truth that he is not her Reese. So I wouldn't have her having seen any other Sliders or Alt Reeses in this. It is a tearful reunion as she welcomes him with open arms, just accepting that he was back in her life with very few questions despite her burning need to know what happened to him all these years. But with the Sliders twist, as they share personal memories and moments, Reese's sister begins to realise that things aren't quite matching up. She begins to wonder if he was injured, or had an accident in some way, but is afraid to pry to deeply in case it triggers something. She desperately doesn't want this moment to end.

But as the timer counts down, that terrible guilt gnaws at Reese that he can't just skip out of her life after this. Not like this.

The final scene would be a classic Sliders zinger. It could be a new facebook status update on Reese's page, with his sister posting a simple smiley face - leaving it up to the audience to wonder whether she had been told the truth and eagerly awaits her own Reese returning some day, or whether he didn't tell her but left - leaving her just happy to know that her brother is alive and well - giving her some peace.



Again, probably the complete opposite direction you were going for that, but that was just what I thought whilst reading your outline.

This evening I went down the rabbit hole that is YouTube trying to see if there were any hidden fan films or projects done that I hadn't come across yet. Hit a brick wall, and was about to give up before I found this little number:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EiAxj_QO1k

In the middle of the night, Wade gets a phone call from her friend Quinn asking her to come over. The next day Wade goes over to investigate, just to find out Quinn is up to another one of his experiments. But things quickly change when Quinn opens a vortex to another world and pushes Wade through the aperture.

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TemporalFlux wrote:

And as things evolve during the script process, they can easily grow.

Exactly. It's one of the things that I love about writing - dreaming the building blocks that were sparked from a single idea and then attempting to build a solid foundation and concept from it. It's fascinating to see your own concepts either grow and develop along the lines that you imagined, or even spiral out of control into areas that you hadn't even foreseen. Sometimes you even hit those moments where, no matter how hard you try to write out a fleshed-out idea, your own characters seem to rebel against it! Though frustrating, that's actually a joyful moment for me, as it's when you realise that your characters have now become living breathing people, with their own ideals and ways of doing things, and that simply might not match your initial concept any longer.

Yeah. Writing is equal parts frustration and joy lol.

TemporalFlux wrote:

I have done a few other things, but I still hold hope that some of them may be published one day. As a result I’ll keep them to myself for now.

No problem at all. I was actually wondering if you had been published somewhere, as I can see the obvious talent within your writing.

TemporalFlux wrote:

Below is the submission titled “Reflections”.  It’s in a different format than the Declassified I’ve script, so hopefully it will display correctly:

https://www.docdroid.net/ivrsLeK/unlimited-x1-doc

Very interesting that you attempted to pitch to Marvel. I will give that a read.

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TemporalFlux wrote:

Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts...

No problem at all. I loaded the script up onto my Kindle and that was a really enjoyable read during the afternoon.

TemporalFlux wrote:

In any case, I thought you may enjoy some more insight into where it could have been going. The entire thing was really just a fun thought exercise for me; it made me feel like I did when I was explaining plot holes in the show.

TemporalFlux wrote:

When I originally wrote Sliders: Declassified, I also wrote some notes about where the future would lead (in some cases over a long period of time - like a season or series wide arc).  You can read them below.  I will warn that they may make you unhappy; but like all ideas, nothing was set in stone.

http://freepdfhosting.com/ea01747f41.pdf

And thank you for the additional insights into the development of this. Very intriguing. I see now some of the seeds that you attempted to plant in the background in order to be explored in future episodes, like the 'Luckiest SOB Alive' sticky-note comment for Gibbs.

Some of those concepts presented I couldn't say if I would personally love them or not, both the style of how it was executed and having meaningful / significant payoff, plays a huge role in the outcome of concepts ... but I do know that I would have at least enjoyed the ride!


Have you written anything of your own? I would love to read more of your work.

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Just finished reading Sliders: Declassified.

As a conceptual stripped down version of the show, it was definitely an interesting take on a possible way to continue the concept with new characters, whilst also keeping what you felt were its core themes. Indeed, the pilot worked really well to quickly establish the various characters, the satire was indeed excellently observed, and the worlds that they visited were just interesting enough to keep you intrigued. However, I personally felt that there were several missteps that stopped me from really loving the project.

Let me start by saying that your strongest aspect was definitely the characterization of Alli and Gibbs. The deadpan life-worn workmate and his more boisterous colleague always makes for buddy-cop gold no matter the genre that it is featured in, and so, it obviously works extremely well here too. Alli's spirit for adventure definitely came shining through, a fun character full of life that would be a joy to watch from week to week, even if at times her actions did sometimes begin to teeter on the brink of reckless disbelief. Though that could make for some rather interesting future storylines where she continues to recklessly throw herself at danger, it is also something to watch out for as it could possibly cause people to have issues with her characterization if it begins to border on 'no one would do that' territory.

Regardless, again, she is a really great character and the combination with Gibbs was written beautifully.

Unfortunately, I didn't find that the other half of the foursome, Reese and Bennish, provided anything really distinctive that would endear me to want to follow the escapades of their sliding. Though Bennish's joke scenes seemed to pay homage to Rembrandt's early storylines, I didn't find it unique enough to warrant his slot on the roster. When you have someone like the adventurous Alli who can easily land herself into similar situations despite her job and training, alongside Gibbs who landed in the same situation via his own well thought out route, Bennish's slot on the team feels a bit wasted when you already have the technical aspects associated with Reese.

On top of this, we already have a sort of mentor / student dynamic (that we originally had with the Professor and Quinn) in some form already with the partners, Gibbs and Alli, so that's not even something that could have been done with Bennish and Reese. I'm sure that future explorations would see them come to heads at how they work out the various tech problems that the group encounter during their travels, but none of that was featured in the pilot script. In fact, I will go as far to say that Bennish was quite far removed from most of the events altogether, again, lending weight to the feeling that we could have had another person for the slot to create a more interesting dynamic to be explored for a foursome.

Though the weakest of the cast, I did like that you tried to give Reese some personality with the sticky notes. But that also led to a little frustration, since even that little aspect seemed to have been robbed from him! In the final crucial scene, it would have been a great character moment for Reese to see the difference in his own sticky note, but it was instead handed over to Gibbs. I completely understand the rationale for that, since Gibbs has been written to be very observant and it made logical sense for him to spot the mistake, but, for the sake of the character, I would have given the scenario over to Reese simply to give him that small bit of continued characterization.

The second strongest aspect of Declassified was your ability to nail the dark humour and satire present within the show. Without a doubt the best scene of all was the incident between Alli and the Clerk, where he used the game to check if the two were actually compatible - with the disgusted punch at the end to cap it off! That could easily have been pulled from a real Sliders episode. That was classic season 1/2 material right there. Satire is definitely not easy to do, and there are different levels depending on social or political satire, but you got the social satire down completely. Would love to see if you could also nail political satire if this had continued.

Speaking of humour and satire, the entire opening scene with Alli speaking the opening monologue to Gibbs? Perfection!

Something that I wasn't too fond of was the opening premise. It slipped a little too far into the realms of disbelief for me. I mean, even ignoring Bennish somehow getting that far into Homeland Security, the whole bomb scenario didn't seem to go anywhere except to over-engineer a scenario to get him close enough to be forced along for the ride (and consequently being the cause of it). Having him being questioned by Homeland Security about his connection to the Sliders, or even co-opting his knowledge to reverse-engineer the equipment in Quinn's basement in order to understand it and their disappearance, would have made for a stronger opening scenario, in my opinion.

For me, the show was always the strongest when it focused on the characters and their reaction to their current situation and predicaments - the worlds visited was just a vehicle in order to enable this. Consequently, it was when that table was turned that I personally felt that things began to seriously derail, but that's going off topic. Anyway, I mention this only to state that the world's themselves were always second fiddle for me, but they do need to be interesting. Thankfully, you accomplished this and made them really interesting.

The first was the usual doomsday scenario, but it was the second that I found the most intriguing. It's always these wild and seemingly preposterous 'what if' worlds that really get the mind thinking, and forces you to ponder if such a chain of events really could have occurred in our own dimension. I feel like it needed some further background clarification to fully flesh out that possible reality (though I did love your reference to the Romans and their games), but yeah, really interesting either way.


Anyway, just my immediate thoughts about reading.

All in all, Declassified is a really good idea that was written extremely well. With some tweaks, I personally feel like it would have been great and definitely has a lot of potential. Having been written so long ago only makes me more intrigued to see how your writing has evolved. Like I mentioned, the writing itself is gold so I can only imagine that your writing now must be really great.

TemporalFlux wrote:

I think the brand is important because it draws in people.  The fond memory is there labeled as Sliders; and millions of people watched Sliders on Fox.  There is pop culture that can keep it alive in people too (as I’ve noted on this board several times, that little blue vortex still occasionally pops up in shows sending people to other dimensions; and I don’t believe that to be a coincidence).

I’m really not interested in some other show that evokes a legally distinct echo of what I’ve loved. It would be extremely hard to capture my heart as a fan; that space is already filled.  I would only be left comparing the pretender to what I loved; and it would likely never live up to that memory.  The same can be true of a total brand reboot; but at least the brand is there to draw you in and give it a chance.

Despite the fear of the last sentence, everything you mentioned before is exactly why I want a total reboot.

A complete Reboot is needed at this point. Fresh actors, keep the core concept of the show, and have a tightly scripted joint into the multiverse.


Edit: Just to clarify, I mean a day one reboot. New actors playing the original characters.

Really miss this show. I think it's time for a rewatch.

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ireactions wrote:

It can be relevant when contemplating a revival/reboot of SLIDERS in response to your questions. It is very difficult to understand what your parameters of plausibility are and to provide material that works within them.

With you, Slide Override -- I just don't understand your metric.

Your continued fixation on the observations that I made about a single back-door sci-fi pilot will never lend you any aid in understanding my metric. A metric which absolutely has no relevance or bearing on the questions that I posed to the board.

I did not ask people to present their perfect version of Sliders, my perfect version, or even a Sliders that I would personally deem would be good enough. I asked, knowing the trappings and format of TV in today's climate, and with the unique setup of the show, what would you personally be prepared to see change or altered to accommodate a revival/reboot? And what would you define as the core aspects of the show that you would demand would need to remain?

Again, you do not need to know or understand my metrics to answer that. Again, move on. I ain't discussing Parallels. Next.

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ireactions wrote:

And on the subject of story structure, since Slide Override raised it:

There's some other stuff with Transmodiar and Slide Override that I... "dislike" is a mild term and would still be too strong a world. Transmodiar and Slide Override will often declare that elements of plot and characterization are "ridiculous" because the story doesn't meet a standard of plausibility that they have personally defined and they take the view that this standard is an objective measure universally agreed upon by all rather than a subjective perspective.

I'm not knocking it; I'd just say it's an area where we have agreed to disagree.

Slide Override declared PARALLELS ridiculous because he said that a building that can travel the multiverse is a ridiculous concept.

It is absolutely a ridiculous concept, but you might need to re-read that thread if you believe that my only issue with it was because of a multiverse traveling building. There were various - much of them significant - reasons why I disliked it. And yes, on many objective and measurable levels which can define 'good writing', it falls far short. You don't have to agree with that, but that's fine. Opinions and all that. Not everyone agrees that the Wizard of Oz is the definitive young woman's coming of age story, but you'd certainly raise some eyebrows in pretty much any serious literary circle if you try to say otherwise.

But this is all by the by. I'm not going to get back into the discussion, as I don't care about Parallels to even want to talk about it again. So, back to the subject at hand?

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For the sake of it, let's just propose that a reboot / revival / continuation / spin-off / whatever, happens. The more important question becomes: what structure and concessions would be made in order to facilitate such a show nowadays. And what would you personally be prepared to give up in order to let the show succeed?

I mean, are there even any direct comparisons that can be made with other modern sci-fi shows that change locations and a large ensemble cast every week? (Sans Doctor Who, which is a unique beast in of itself). Would we be forced to contend with several two-parters within every series in order to save budget and set costs?

Would we have more regular / familiar guest characters reappearing within every other world in different guises?

Would they even consider changing the premise entirely? Have a return to Quinn's basement (and the constant reuse of that and the surrounding sets) at the end of every episode's adventure, with only the cliffhanger of series 1 being where things go wrong?

What if they try a gimmicky live-time feature? Where the time of the slide is the time remaining until the episode ends, or strict 30 minute slides, with that world playing out as you see it? No time jumping or event skipping?

They will want a staple villain, something recurring. What would you be prepared to be added to the ongoing story and the script? The Kromaggs? FBI agents chasing after them? Rogue sliders? Insane doubles?

What if they changed up the characters and the cast dynamics? What if Quinn and Rembrandt had both dated Wade - creating a love triangle? What if the Professor had originally discovered, but not perfected, sliding? With all of his accolades having been gathered from other worlds?

Just like the show itself, there is so much that could be changed in a reboot or revival, but what would you be prepared to see change, or be adamant that must remain untouched and sacred?

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Didn't Jerry say in an interview last June that Torme was gunning for a reboot? Could just be the same 'thoughts in the wind' discussions going back and forth.

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Saw the ad ... it is still pretty cool and surprising to see it pop up again.

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JWSlider3 wrote:

Still I think of all the actors who left Sliders, Mallory was the most tactful resolution the ever had.

Shit. When you put it like that ... that is so incredibly sad. And true. sad

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Honestly, I personally just don't see the point in contriving such a structure. This was brought up in another thread, but even if you don't factor in JRD's age, how long do you want this 'restart' to last? I love the actors as well but seriously, if you are going to start over, then you might as well just start over and do a complete reboot.

Completely agree about the discussion about what Trek used to represent.

This is really surprising. I wonder what form this would take? Would he command a new ship and crew?

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

Would you be okay with a new version of Sliders where we start a new journey with a different group of Quinn/Wade/Rembrandt/Arturo?  So Sliders Season 1-5 was the same Rembrandt, but now there's a new group?

I'm not quite sure I follow. Are you suggesting we have the exact same actors playing their characters now from the beginning all over again? Or new actors playing those same characters as alternates ala Mallory and Logan?

"TemporalFlux wrote:

I think I’ll go ahead and just put the script out there for any interested.

Yeah that would be really interesting to see.

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pilight wrote:

That's not necessarily true. If John Rhys-Davies had wanted to come back to the series and they brought him back saying it was really our Professor who got left behind on Azure Gate Bridge world, would anyone really have been upset?

There are always exceptions to the rule, but there is a serious underlining reason why it is generally not done. I absolutely would not be upset if they pulled a 'wrong slider slid' scenario ... but that is side-stepping the point at hand.

There is an unspoken pact made between the person who reads/watches/plays a piece of work and the creator of said work. Outside of some obvious exceptions - and they are usually blatant exceptions - that pact states that we will happily go on a journey with a creator in order to explore the worlds, characters and the situation that you have created, regardless of the innate fact that we know full well that no harm will ever come to the main characters of this story. We will create a suspension of disbelief. There may be hundreds of instances where these character will be thrown into mortal danger, and though we know that they will 99.9% of the time always come out of it in one piece, we happily embrace any and all suspensions of disbelief specifically because it is the journey that the creator wants us to go on, that is of critical importance above all else.

However, there are limits to that suspension of disbelief.

When you take away that journey, when you begin to say that death doesn't matter, or even what you thought you saw with that character doesn't matter, then there is a subconscious detachment that takes place. You may very well state that it wouldn't matter personally for you, but it is something that happens on a subconscious level. You take away death, you take away even the fake peril from that pact between creator and viewer, then nothing matters. At what point then does a viewer begin to ask that, if they no longer like a particular aspect of that journey, that they want that changed, since if death doesn't matter, nothing matters. Forget even rules of the world that you have created, if death is something that someone can easily come back from, then everything is fair game. Suspension of disbelief is well and truly shattered.

There may be joy at the 'real' Arturo now ... but where does that lead? I don't like Action Man Quinn compared to the original. Do we then say that there was a real Quinn still sliding out there and I want him back? I detest the character assassination of Head-In-A-Jar Wade. Can I just wipe that entire journey clean, pretend it didn't happen, and pick up a sub series 3 Wade? Can I seriously, and easily, just wipe out series 3-5 as just 'fake alternates' and embrace a series 6 in the shape of the 'real' series 3?

The moment you tell an audience that the journey doesn't matter, that it was a dream, a coma, the wrong character slid -whatever reasoning you want to come up with - you make a huge impact in that suspension of disbelief and, whether you are conscious of it or not, create a divide between the work and the viewer. Hand-waving death in the fashion mentioned here, and ignoring entire character stories and arcs, is a suspension of disbelief one step too far.


On a side note, there is also an entirely separate discussion that could be had about wiping out 3 seasons worth of content, including all of the hard work put in by actors, writers, crews and everyone else contained within that, but that's a whole other discussion to be had.

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I know that you were just throwing out one single idea, and not exactly pushing/advocating it, but I do have a serious issue with:

Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

What's great about Sliders is that you could do whatever you want without harming any continuity.  Just say the Season 3-5 Sliders were doubles of the originals.  We know that there are other groups of Rembrandt/Quinn/Wade/Arturo sliding out there - just say that Season 3-5 was another group.  If you really want, have the "real" Sliders run into post-Seer Rembrandt.

Once you get to the point where these characters that you have been watching, witnessing their journey together, and going through emotional dramas with ... are not the characters that we all thought that we were watching - then that is the point where you completely lose the audience and their emotional investment. This is something that is extremely difficult to get back, if ever. The moment that you lose that precious trust and bond with the audience, it's game over.

If a show can, at any time, just turn around and say that these weren't really the characters but here are the characters now, it just loses so much. You no longer feel an attachment to the characters. You begin to question everything. Are the people that you are currently watching, really your characters? Did they go through the events that you thought they originally went through?

That bond between audience and material evaporates very quickly. Peril no longer holds any meaning whatsoever. If a character dies, those questions continue to bubble away - is it really the character that you thought had died? Could it be someone else? Will you always be second guessing if your character will simply pop back up in an episode or two with another 'Surprise! that was just a double!' fake out? If the show doesn't go the way you imagined with a character, could you always hide behind a 'that was just a double' sentiment?

That emotional attachment is just gone.

Aside from some minor moments in shows or twists in some movies, there is a really good reason why you just don't do this. I apologise if I haven't articulated this properly as I'm tired as I'm typing this, but this idea just really doesn't sit well with me. One of the Sliders aficionados here will probably quote the idea pitched for the show that was shot down. And quite rightly too.

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I would have easily have lapped up TF's 'slice of life' (or slice of slide lol) style comic adventures in order to expand on characters or worlds within the show. As much as my gut wants everything to be nicely wrapped up, a continuation comic would have been extremely difficult to pull off for various reasons, number one being that so few fans can even agree on what a written story continuation would be composed like, let alone something in a visual medium. There is just no pleasing everyone there and you could end up doing a lot more damage than good. I just don't think it would have worked.

However, I have absolutely adored the new Power Rangers comics, how it has woven an insane amount of depth into the show's loose fabric whilst also maintaining what makes the show so special. It is pretty much a Reboot, since it flies in the face of show continuity all the time. I personally would have loved a Sliders comic, in that vein, back then or right now.

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Not really taking his words to mean anything, but as Grizzlor mentioned, we're in the right climate for it.

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I hear you, but the same question can be said for any form of reboot or adaptation ever.

Ultimately, there is an incredible amount of power in brand recognition, in an already established IP from which to work with. It is something that is more prevalent now than it has ever been. Imagine having a pre-built sandbox from which to work from and play in? It comes complete with it's old fans, with what knowledge is already present in the general populace, its place on the net (including merchandise, former sites, and fan contributions), combined with the power of nostalgia and the potential for new profit - and all with less work than if you had to build it completely from scratch. Is it really a surprise that everything is getting rebooted nowadays? It is more than just a distinctive lack of fresh concepts and ideas, it is because of the latent power contained in something that is an already established brand.

Now, we can argue just how 'powerful' the brand of Sliders is, but that's kinda besides the point. For all the parties involved in such a take when something is rebooted, it is material from which to work from, a fresh take on a concept that can be presented to an entire new generation or audience whilst also grabbing those old fans. Some work, some don't, but that's the machine as it is at the moment.

To go back to the original point, to just take the old actors and start from ground zero ... it just would never work, for anyone involved.

EDIT:

TemporalFlux made a contributing point there about the power and value of a brand. Sliders isn't enough in itself or the cast involved to command something like a straight continuation or soft reboot. But a completely new take? It might be worth it for some parties.

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ireactions wrote:
Slide Override wrote:
crouteru_ wrote:

I've enjoyed reading all your thoughts on this. Personally, I would reboot everything from scratch; same characters played by new actors, same basic premise and beginning as the pilot episode. The original cast could make guest appearances in later episodes playing a different character as a nod to fans of the original series.

This is the only way it would work.

Polite disagreement with both you and myself -- as much as recasting appeals, Slider_Quinn21 is right to point out that anyone wanting to do a parallel universe show could do one without using the SLIDERS title. So what makes SLIDERS worth resurrecting in the first place? If you recast, you're creating different characters who just happen to have the same names at which point you might as well have different names for both the people and the series.

So, what defines SLIDERS is, in the end, the four original characters as played by the four original actors.

Which is why, if we're being reductive, the only way a SLIDERS reboot could work is to have Jerry O'Connell, Sabrina Lloyd, Cleavant Derricks and John Rhys-Davies return as the leads of a new series. And the best route for that is to do a rebootquel. The original cast, at their current ages, discover sliding for the first time in a version of reality where Quinn makes the first slide in 2019 instead of 1994.

Whether this version of reality is (a) a parallel universe or (b) a new version of reality after the Kromagg-human war ripped sliding out of the multiverse is open to debate. You could do both, however, by presenting the TV show entirely as Option A and leave the Option B information offscreen in media tie-in novels, comics and webisodes.

Definitely a polite disagreement, as what you set out is never going to work. Sliders has nowhere near the fan following or star power to support the form of Reboot that you propose. What defines Sliders is certainly subjective, but the main composition is our four characters having adventures by sliding around the multiverse. No offence, but you do not need the original actors to accomplish this.

The only way this show could ever be resurrected is by a fresh reboot, with new actors playing the original roles. Anything else is just a pipe dream.

None of this, by the way, is my own dreams on the matter. Of course I would love a continuation or some form of reboot-esque version with the original actors, but it's just never going to be. But I love the show so much that I would gladly embrace a fresh take.

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crouteru_ wrote:

I've enjoyed reading all your thoughts on this. Personally, I would reboot everything from scratch; same characters played by new actors, same basic premise and beginning as the pilot episode. The original cast could make guest appearances in later episodes playing a different character as a nod to fans of the original series.

This is the only way it would work.

Awesome. Thank you for that.

God I miss this show.

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Here's hoping they look into all the issues with the pilot.

Nice insights SliderTen. That just confirms my earlier sentiments. Heck, if the rabid Charmed fans can't get CBS to change their current stance on a fresh Charmed reboot without the originals (all 4 of which have repeatedly stated time and time again that they are onboard to continue the show if CBS were) then Sliders stands absolutely zero chance. And that's still ignoring the way Sliders ended, or the actors' ages, or countless other issues.

Of course, like Ireactions mentioned, any petition or push could just do the opposite and make them churn out some other property with a similar premise ... but there's nothing that could be done about that. The question is how best to get a fan push seen. Charmed fans have a constant media push on facebook and twitter, but they have a large fanbase. Sliders just doesn't.

Perhaps this is all just a wistful dream. It has such a low chance of happening.

Jerry doesn't own the rights to the property. He doesn't have a real choice in the matter.

That's why it would need to be a complete reboot with four new actors playing the characters the show needs.

Heck, in all probability, if the studios did see some kind of movement to getting Sliders rebooted due to anything that Jerry pushed, they'd probably just use that momentum and go for a complete reboot without him anyhow (just casting him in a cameo) - which again, as I've said before - is the best way for all.

To me, SLIDERS is Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo. SLIDERS is about the sliders -- these sliders. These people. The geekboy adventurer. The shy firebrand. The out of date showbiz icon. And the wise professor.

This, right here, is the heart of Sliders. Just like Stargate, the mythos and exploration of worlds is important, but not moreso than the characters and the group dynamics employed within it. They are what make that exploration intriguing. Their journey. Their friendship. How they handle adversity and a crisis. How far they will stretch their morals to tackle an issue. This is the heart of Sliders - THEY are the heart of Sliders - something that we shouldn't deny new viewers.

I know a lot of people want some form of direct continuation, but honestly, there is no point bringing back the property just to try and muddle through the confusing mess and bring it to an 'end'. Fan fiction has done that brilliantly. Seriously, go read some of them out there. There are lots of good stories. But unfortunately, most of them are just that - endings. Very few continuing the story after they have made all kinds of out there attempts to retcon or fix the show's problems.

To make the property commercially viable again, you need a complete reboot with fresh faced actors playing the fab 4. It is the only real way. The show had too many problems to handwave away and continue it as it was. And simply ignoring those issues is just as deadly.

But if The Powers That Be did allow Jerry to be a part of it, I can't see him taking on the Arturo role - he just doesn't have it in him. I agree with the Quinn Snr / Jnr thing that could be done - allowing him to still have his place within the multiverse. So Mr Mallory almost perfected sliding and got himself lost in the process. Years later, Quinn Jr completes his work and goes searching for his/her father. That allows Jerry to have a recurring role, still be a 'Quinn' and have a significant impact on the story and events - but allows the fab 4 to be seen and embraced by a new generation of viewers and fans.

Oh right. That means that he doesn't know about the Mallory issue, lol.

Yeah, definitely agree on the sentiment that he wants this back.

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Informant wrote:

The recent resurgence of VR goggles got me to thinking about VR.5, which premieres around the same time as Sliders. It focused on a woman named Sidney, who could plug her special VR headset into a phone and use it to enter the minds of people she called. I would like to see that again.

Woah, someone else who remembers that show! Lol.

I really enjoyed watching VR.5 with the awesome Anthony Head. It's such a shame it didn't last as I thought the premise was pretty cool.

Transmodiar wrote:
Slide Override wrote:

Tracy Tormé recently called me and said, “We’re thinking about rebooting Sliders,” and I was like, “I’m in, buddy, make it happen.” So who knows what will happen.

Woah, Tracy called him? That bodes well that this was some serious thinking about rebooting the show.

Not to be a Debbie Downer, but this kind of conversation is extremely cyclical - Torme's been calling people for 16 years about reboots and movies. When I spoke to him in 2009, he admitted he doesn't have a say because he doesn't own the intellectual property. He reiterated that when I met him at the MUFON event a few years ago.

Now, in this climate of rebootquels, who's to say? But a phone doesn't necessitate serious thinking.

Good to know. Trust me, I'm way beyond getting my hopes up, I just thought it was a neat thing to have occurred.

Holy crap that was a great interview and very insightful. It's nice to know that the cast really weren't onboard with the changes and felt pretty much like we did. It's such a shame, as everyone feels that the show could have gone on to be something incredible. So sad. And yeah, I don't blame him for not seeing season 5 - I've not watched it outside of its original airing.

Tracy Tormé recently called me and said, “We’re thinking about rebooting Sliders,” and I was like, “I’m in, buddy, make it happen.” So who knows what will happen.

Woah, Tracy called him? That bodes well that this was some serious thinking about rebooting the show.

However, with JRD on Shannara Chronicles, and everyone scattered, I can't see it happening with the original cast outside of cameos. It's got to be a new cast.

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Deadpool was awesome. I laughed constantly, the action was great, and it just hit all the right notes. Well done. I read that a lot of the original script was cut out to reduce costs and such, but it doesn't matter, the end product worked well with the smaller-scale staging.

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choanata wrote:

So the Netflix show Parallels is being turned into a tv show now, co-produced by Neil Gaiman. I loved the movie, can't wait for the series.

http://nerdist.com/neil-gaiman-fox-the- … fi-series/

As you know, I didn't like it ... but it would be nice to have something to help for my Sliders fix, so we'll see...

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That's why it would have to be a fresh day-zero reboot - not a continuation (loose or otherwise), with some well-thought out alternate earths and sci fi put back into the forefront.

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RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

It's interesting: in the last couple of years, JRD, Cleavant Derricks, Jerry and Torme all have publicly commented in interviews regarding their thoughts on a Sliders revival. Only Sabrina, living abroad, has not said anything on record.

*Puts on deep voice*

The time is almost at hand...

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Thanks for that. At least he attempted to reach out to fans and explain things. I hated it so much - I've not watched it since it was aired, and I don't ever plan to.

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ireactions wrote:

•   Shortly after this episode aired, Michael Reaves visited the SLIDERS message board to offer a public apology to the fans for this monstrosity.

I wish I had been around at the time to see this. I remember watching this abortion of an episode in shock that they could actually do what they did.

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It's difficult to know what period within the show he is actually discussing, especially with the 'gibberish scripts' comments, but interesting thoughts none-the-less. He is definitely right about the scope of the show. It had the potential to be massive. Such a shame.

And hell yes to a better written revival / reboot.

That was a nice mini-essay Intangirble. Though I'm not one to care much about the behind the scenes shenanigans of the shows I watch, this kind of thing I do find a little fascinating as it can have an actual impact on the show itself, as you have beautifully detailed here. Sliders definitely feels the most meta and self aware that I have come across, but there have been minor circumstances in other shows that jump to mind.

Charmed kinda goes without saying. The off-screen tension between Shannon Doherty and Alyssa Milano was clearly visibly even from day one, and (without knowing the details) it's hard not to believe that the tension between the on-screen siblings wasn't something that would have immediately wrapped up in the first season, but either the writers or higher-ups could spot the tension between the actresses and so played it up as much as they could, knowing that there was a spark there that simply couldn't be manufactured in any other normal circumstances. Honestly, they must have been running round the office in glee when they brought Alyssa on board after the pilot's actress didn't pan out. There was literally zero tension - manufactured or otherwise - there.

The Tribe has a really great instance of this, but with a bit more meta and self-awareness thrown in. The show began with a powerful position of not talking down to children and seriously tackling all manner of teen subjects, but by the jumping-the-shark 4th season, post-apocalyptic survival was suddenly thrown aside for technology, virtual reality, advanced laser weapons, and food manufacturing capabilities. In the blink of an eye, the audience were suddenly talked down to like babies in a way that hadn't been done before - full of insulting euphemisms and the like. Network interference had been forced on the show to make it more 'child friendly' and you could immediately see the impact. By the 5th season - after a lot of outcry on forums and the like - you got this amazing scene with the lead character ranting at the antagonist concerning the use of all the nonsense and euphemisms in telling her that the person she loved was dead:

"Say it. Go on, say it! 'Deleted', Bray. Killed. Murdered. Butchered. Destroyed. Assassinated. Graphic enough, for you?! Or should we stick to your quaint little euphemism?!"

It's hard to know whether the stance behind it was the writers saying 'yeah, yeah, we know we've been talking down to you' or whether it was the opposite form of 'does hearing the words make you feel like you're not watching a children's show?' It's really hard to say, because of all the behind the scenes and network agendas, but it was an excellent meta moment in the show.

There are some other instances, but those two pop first into my mind. It does begs the question, whether these inclusions were instigated by the writers wanting to mirror the off-screen tension in order to build a better performance for the actors, whether the writer unconsciously included it, whether the writers sneakily included these in without the higher-ups spotting, or if indeed it was a decision from the higher-ups to spark things a bit more.

Anyway, like I said, I'm not knowledgable about the behind the scene events of shows, and I tend to stay away from them in order to separate characters from the actors, but it is fascinating subject indeed.

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Happy birthday Omnimercurial!

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Lol. I just came in here to rant that! I was initially excited about Reborn but it has been an utter disaster.