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I tried to watch the Zicree and Tormee interview, but the host was very offputting I agree. Sadly I found him so obnoxious in the first few minutes that I could not force myself to continue listening.

I am not a fan at all of Picard or of Discovery, despite that though I do agree that content and creators need to be set apart lest one taint the other.

My Grandad was the main Male influence in my life and he spent much of my childhood teaching me good conduct by example, he often put on old Movies from the Era of the 40's and 50's, things like Ben Hurr, Spartacus etc and he loved those movies.

That said.... My Grandad despised Kirk Douglas.

My Grandad worked hard as a boy and suffered violence and abuse from his own Father, often protecting his Brother and Sister from him. He worked as a Farmer in Sicily and later as a Miner in the UK.

He described Kirk Douglas as unwholesome. He said that he reminded him of his own Father, yet found it difficult to explain exactly why or how, as there was no physical resemblence at all.

There is recent leaks to the Public of some of Kirk Douglas's actions that apparently have long been circulated unofficially, such as a brutal assault on a horrifyingly young Natalie Wood.

It all feels very reminiscent to the coming to light of the actions of the British paedophile and rapist Jimmy Saville.

My Grandfather did not live to learn of such information regarding Kirk Douglas, though it seems his instincts about the Actor were correct.

My Grandad taught me to seperate the Content from Creator, which is not always easy to do, so I can certainly respect Zicree's tact in that interview you describe Ib.

I for one hated Peckinpah when I learned of his actions in harming the Sliders cast and content, it took a while to lose some of that bubbling vitriol, now I just feel disappointment at lost opportunities for the Sliders show.

"It's only a matter of time. Were I in your shoes, I would spend my last earthly hours enjoying the world. Of course, if you wish, you can spend them fighting for a lost cause.... But you know that you've lost." -Kane-

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I have read a lot of reasonable, negative reviews of DISCOVERY and PICARD. As a writing mentor once said to me, "We are not the final arbiters of taste." I am quite happy with both shows, but if others aren't, it's because they wanted or expected different story and character elements that I either didn't need or could do without. For example, PICARD has the Federation existing in a capitalistic system with Picard being rich and Raffi being poor and shrieking at Picard about how his chateau looked so lavish and luxurious and a pilot saying he's "very expensive." That does not work for me; in my personal vision of STAR TREK, money doesn't exist. But I'm prepared to accept that IREACTIONS' STAR TREK is not PICARD and appreciate PICARD on its own terms. Others have found that a dealbreaker and so they should.

Peckinpah is a rare instance where his professional output is the direct result of his abysmal personal conduct. Marc Scott Zicree during the podcast, at least in my view, seemed to regard Peckinpah as an object of pity, a person who suffered from terrible demons that made him a pariah on his most well-known, widely broadcast project (SLIDERS) both during his life and after his death. Zicree clearly felt no need to indict Peckinpah any further; Peckinpah's work convicted his own legacy.

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I'm not familiar with Kirk Douglas' body of work, although his reputation in recent days is deeply disturbing. It's possible your grandfather could see something in Douglas' demeanor, body language and presence that he recognized as something shared by your great-grandfather. In Season 3 of SLIDERS, there was a moment in "Season's Greedings" where Jerry is chatting with Chase Masterson and Jerry adopts this entitled smirk and preening physicality that I found deeply out of character for Quinn and reminded me of some of the more arrogant and belittling classmates I had in high school.

I started to see more of them and less of myself in Jerry's portrayal and it deeply offended me. In Season 4, I also recognized something in Jerry that I found myself associating with a number of my classmates in his empty, deadened facial expressions on camera; I would in later years recognize that as Jerry being hungover on camera. Part of this is unquestionably because David Peckinpah created a work environment where substance abuse was the norm and being inebriated when working was acceptable because the boss came into work intoxicated.

In 2005 or so, I think, Jerry stopped drinking for health and fitness reasons and viewed going to the gym to work out as part of his job as an actor. He said, and I paraphrase, "My work day didn't end when the director said cut." Since then, Jerry has been extremely professional and reliable in all his work; his acting on CARTER is in some ways overworked to the point of being unnatural, but I'd rather have Jerry trying too hard than not trying at all. I would love for this older, matured, experienced and as talented as ever Jerry O'Connell to play Quinn Mallory again and with Tracy Torme's leadership instead of David Peckinpah's.

And, as I said, if Torme and Zicree could team up, Zicree should do all the talking.

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It would be interesting to see Tracy and Marc's work together since they both have an appreciation for the Twlight Zone angle of sliders.

That said, I honestly wonder if Tracy's black comedy or SNL type humor in general would be a "frequency" Marc would totally also be able to operate on. 

I think Tracy and Larry Wilmore might be an interesting pairing where they could riff of each other tho I am not sure if they'd have some clashing worldviews (not to mention Larry would be like who the heck is this Quinn guy and why are we going back to him.. so there's that oroblem)

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I don't think Marc Scott Zicree and Tracy Torme should be writing the same stories, but they could certainly offer each other feedback. Zicree is a science fiction writer who is very interested in the technology of sliding, having created the Slidewave and the Slidecage. Tracy Torme is a social satirist and a comedian who is very interested in using world-building to invert and skew our perspective of the world, creating worlds where Wiccans instead of Christians are the dominant religion, where 60s counterculture lasted for three decades and counting, etc..

Torme could write the social satire episodes and Zicree could write the slidetech-focused episodes. Zicree could offer Torme his view on how sliding technology works; Torme could provide Zicree with his world-building talent. Both men have a gift for visual storytelling, but judging from the scripts, Zicree is better at writing material where plot information is conveyed visually and immediately. Meanwhile, Torme is better at conveying comedy and depth of character through banter and action. Zicree is more dramatic; Torme is funny.

Torme should be the final decisionmaker, of course. SLIDERS is his show.

But in any meeting with network and studio executives, it would probably best if Torme never, ever, ever opened his mouth. In fact, I strongly recommend that Torme never speak to anyone again; from now on, whether speaking to his barber or his wife, whether ordering a pizza or visiting his mechanic or pitching a SLIDERS reboot or revival, Torme should take a vow of silence and give all his talking points for Zicree to convey with the Marc Scott Zicree warmth, positivity, charm and grace. I would happily never speak again if Zicree would do all my talking for me as well.

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I agree with ireactions in that Zicree and Torme could split up the duty and Torme could write the episodes focused on alt-history and social satire while Zicree writes the episodes focused on the sliders tech. And they can give eachother feedback and crituqes as well.

Though I don't agree that he needs to keep quite. I understand why he would have acted his way. It's his show and he has a certain veiw for how things should be. If something I wrote was on TV, I would probably be stubborn and difficult as well.

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I was just joking. But also not.

Tracy Torme is a genius. A brilliant visionary. A unique mind. He is the Vincent van Gogh of television. The Tesla of 90s broadcast. Unappreciated and undervalued in his time. But he's stubborn and difficult.

Marc Scott Zicree doesn't do stubborn, he does sweet. Zicree doesn't do difficult, he does deferentially sociable. Put him on Seasons 1 - 2 of SLIDERS and have him facing FOX executives and his approach would have been decidedly different from Torme's.

"Explosions? Absolutely, SLIDERS should have explosions! SLIDERS can tell any kind of story, some of those stories should have 10 - 20 nitroglycerin explosions so that you can have those in the trailers; but hey, that'll blow the budget, so how about next week, we save some money and do an episode where Rembrandt is like Elvis... "

"The People's Court scene is too silly? Well, how about this: we'll do a cut with it and a cut without it and you screen the version with it and if it gets no laughs, you cut it, but really, it's a great joke. Listen, it's a really good breather and it'll really set the mood so that we can have more of a car chase scene later, you like car chases, right? Walking here lets us drive faster here... "

"I was thinking we could do a dinosaur episode! SLIDERS does dinosaurs!! But again, very expensive, so next week, could we do this cheap story where the sliders think they've gotten home... "

"So, I don't see all these BAYWATCH extras fitting into many of our scripts after the credits. But before the credits, we always have a short world, and I think we could really make sure that all of our teaser parallel Earths can have lots of these women in those outfits you like, how about that? And we've got a world where most of the men died off and we've got this Vegas type episode where we could do that sort of casting and we could write some more recurring female doubles if there are any actresses you want to showcase."

"I know you're not sure about introducing these Kromagg characters, but that could lead to a lot of action sequences with spaceships firing lasers at the sliders and there could be lots of explosions, too. Great for trailers."

"I think for a 22 episode order, we could definitely do at least 11 action-heavy shows, but again, those are very expensive, so for the other 11, we really need to do more bargain bottle episodes like a world that prioritizes academics over athletics, where the gender divide favors women over men, where Mexicans rule America, where Wiccanism toppled Christianity, where psychics run government. The bottle episodes let us do the episodes with gunfights and car chases and explosions and foot races and motorcycle stunts and of course, those are our top priority, those take the bulk of our resources -- and these social satire episodes are really to pace our spending so we can get you the action that you want."

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I just (independently/ironically) just finished watching last week's The Prisoner chat with Tracy.  I was stunned at the news!  They speak about it at the 1 hour 55 minute mark.

Tracy says there's going to be a "Sliders Convention" in Long Island, NY, in summer 2022, in the "early stages."  It's (thankfully) NOT per Tracy to be run by Creation Entertainment.  Sounds like he will reveal more information later, as it didn't sound like he had it in front of him. 

PS: Tracy later recounted a funny story about a fake Tracy Torme Facebook page doing a Q&A, which he found out about it, and showed up and was kind of turned off on social media by that.  His wife is currently putting something together for him now though.

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Grizzlor? What's Nicole Eggert like? I've always wondered.

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So, I guess I'll see you all in Long Island in Summer 2022. Maybe my favourite actress and her splendid boyfriend will come with me.

My greatest ambition for SLIDERS is to meet Slider_Quinn21 and buy him a sumptuous meal for every time someone has stolen his fanfic and put their own name on it. He has earned it.

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ireactions wrote:

Grizzlor? What's Nicole Eggert like? I've always wondered.

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So, I guess I'll see you all in Long Island in Summer 2022. Maybe my favourite actress and her splendid boyfriend will come with me.

My greatest ambition for SLIDERS is to meet Slider_Quinn21 and buy him a sumptuous meal for every time someone has stolen his fanfic and put their own name on it. He has earned it.

Eggert is your favorite actress?!?  She was fairly pleasant although has also been known to party too much at cons and not answer the bell the next day, something I have witnessed ha ha.  As for the convention, I'm going to see what details I can get before giving my two cents on that.  Tracy mentioned a trip he and his wife were supposed to take to Jordan in December was going to be delayed until next June or July, so I guess that is not when such a convention would occur.

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ireactions wrote:

My greatest ambition for SLIDERS is to meet Slider_Quinn21 and buy him a sumptuous meal for every time someone has stolen his fanfic and put their own name on it. He has earned it.

Ha, has anyone actually done that?

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Yes, I've seen your fanfic all over FanFiction.net. It's so insulting, no one ever steals mine.

Response to Grizzlor is here:
http://sliders.tv/bboard/viewtopic.php?pid=12226#p12226

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ireactions wrote:

Yes, I've seen your fanfic all over FanFiction.net. It's so insulting, no one ever steals mine.

As long as they kept my crossover with Seven Days, then they're good haha

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Post your fanfics here! I don't think I've ever seen them.

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Happy to!  Please note that I wrote these as a teenager.  I stand by every idea in this.  The writing might not have aged well hahah

http://slidersweb.net/otherworlds/214/index.htm

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Numbers look good so far, but we’ll see where it ends up. This is Torme’s argument to Universal, though.  Two points:

People spend money on legacy series (where the originals hand off to their kids)

https://deadline.com/2021/11/ghostbuste … 77444/amp/

And people still remember Sliders (to the point of mega-billion Marvel Studios blatantly copying Sliders imagery)

https://sliders.tv/bboard/viewtopic.php?id=430

Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.  Marvel likes Sliders, and Marvel has proven they have their finger on the pulse of what people like.

That’s the argument.

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A mile into this Prisoner episode, Tracy reveals he's currently working with Jacob Epstein on the reboot, the only "holdover" from the original show production wise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIVE5xTY2WI

He also jokes about JRD, and that Fox wanted a "hot chick" to replace the "old guy."  Also that they wanted lots of backward hat wearing skateboarders in the background of every episode LOL.  Said JRD he talks to periodically and would be enthusiastic about coming back, but Tracy mentions that because John lives on Isle of Man, he's a bit "off the radar."

Tracy also said he recently found out Kelsey Grammer was interested in the Arturo role, which he never knew about, if true.

On the reboot, said "there's a few things to work out," unfortunately the host stepped right on top of Tracy's comments, and later I think Tracy, when asked about a new home, said "won't be the Scifi Channel."  I think.  Later he mentions that Danielle Claman (longtime studio exec) is the one organizing this reboot deal.  And muttered about the conglomerate that controls Universal TV rights such as Sliders.

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It was a very long time ago, but there was word that Kelsey Grammer was a Sliders fan.  It started with an anonymous poster on the old forums who claimed he had talked to Kelsey, but I believe it was later confirmed in an interview.  No idea where that interview would be.

Danielle Claman Gelber also fits everything Tracy has been saying:

https://www.thewrap.com/dick-wolf-danie … elevision/

She was a Fox Exec from 1995 to 2002; and before that was involved in development of Fox shows ranging from 90210 to X-Files.  She should know Sliders and it’s history pretty well.

Most recently, she’s had a big hand in the various Chicago series on NBC.  Her work on the Chicagos led to a first-look deal with Universal TV, so that’s the current connection and likely why she’s looking at Sliders.

https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1891764/bio

Her career in tv is a long one - dating all the way back to The Love Boat.

Here’s an interview from last year:

https://youtu.be/EoGldC4Oe1s

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Hey, if SLIDERS comes back, will Temporal Flux resume his role as THE Temporal Flux and devote himself to infiltrating every level of SLIDERS production from crafts services to executive boardrooms? If Jerry O'Connell eats a danish, will TF have a drone taking photos of the bite marks?

If SLIDERS comes back, I would like to write one extremely mediocre licensed SLIDERS tie-in novel and get paid approximately $1,530 to hack it out in a month and I would like this extremely mediocre licensed novel to be blatantly contradicted onscreen in the TV show before the book is even released. I would like to see the novel reviewed on Amazon.com with all the reviews commenting that surely the publisher could have found a more capable fanfic writer instead of this bland formula.

Most importantly, I would like Slider_Quinn21 to not bother reading it and say so. The moment Slider_Quinn21 says he is vaguely aware that I wrote a SLIDERS novel that he will never get around to reading is the moment that I know I have made my mark on this world.

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Danielle Claman was not a name that registered but appears she was a backer of Epstein and Tracy back in the day, something that Jacob revealed to EP.com (https://earthprime.com/interviews/jacob … interview/) years ago. 

If Sliders returned, I'm sure we'd have a fan or two in wherever they film who could post some stills from afar on their location shoots.

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It's odd. Though the two aren't comparable in the slightest, but after watching Ghostbusters: Afterlife, I just can't help pondering that a Sliders 'passing the torch' reboot really would do well.

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What is Quinn Mallory's favourite food? "I made your favourite," says Amanda Mallory in the pilot. In the script, Quinn anxiously asks his mother what his favourite food is and she assures him that it's Rice-A-Roni and lamb chops as usual. Like Computer Boy, this piece of world-building was cut from the aired episode and the world is poorer for its absence. In fact, I believe that in omitting the reference to Rice-A-Roni and lamb chops, SLIDERS unfortunately missed an opportunity to hearten a troubled nation, to mend our wounded souls and, more critically and vitally -- to reignite our lost cultural interest in solving problems.

Rice-A-Roni was first created in 1958 by an Italian family who attempted adding dry chicken soup mix to rice and macaroni. Rice-A-Roni is a boxed food mix of rice and seasonings, prepared by browning the contents in butter before simmering the concoction with water for further absorbsion.

In addition, as befitting a meal adored by genius intellect Quinn Mallory, Rice-A-Roni is without question one of the most difficult boxed dinner kits to prepare correctly and effectively. Without precise temperature control, the mixture will burn when simmering. Without maintaining proper steaming level, the rice will not absorb sufficient water and be hard and inedible. The rice must also be allowed to stand for water to evapourate from the mixture.

Rice-A-Roni is possibly the most difficult dilemma ever faced by our Mr. Mallory. It is a dish that requires dedication and commitment. It must be cooked with precise timing and tremendous patience; each step of cooking the Rice-A-Roni must be followed to the letter. Rice-A-Roni requires an understanding of fluid dynamics, evapouration, condensation, boiling points and an intensive level of mathematical calculation for volume and time.

Had the Pilot made it clear that Rice-A-Roni (with lamb chops) is Quinn Mallory's favourite food, SLIDERS would have established a brand identity for itself based on the values of intricate calculation and a commitment to follow instructions fully and accurately. SLIDERS and Rice-A-Roni would have become an advertising force to be reckoned with, inspiring a generation of middle aged viewers and youthful students to dedicate themselves to timekeeping, non-proportionate ratios in water-to-rice volumes and weights, the study of hydrology, and a full understanding of physics and thermodynamics needed for the realization of the potentiality of perfection within each and every box of Rice-A-Roni.

In the event of a SLIDERS revival, all of us must band together. We must implore Tracy Torme to realize the scale, value and impact he could have effected had he recognized that his true work was never about SLIDERS or the sliders. Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt, Arturo, the timer, the vortex, the adventure -- they were all a path and platform for Torme's true purpose and the real value proposition behind SLIDERS; the value of Rice-A-Roni and the inherent power of Rice-A-Roni to galvanize society and create a generation of culinary artists, physicists, mathematicians, engineers and people who want dinner ready in 15 - 20 minutes.

The stove is set. The box is ready to be opened. Let us open our hearts and stomachs to Rice-A-Roni and the wonders it will bring.

TLDR: Rice-A-Roni is really hard to make. Like, really, really hard. Even Quinn probably screwed it up now and then.

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I think quinn may have gotten his ability to follow how to concoct something from a formula from his mom..

rice is super hard to make without a rice cooker and pasta is a pain in the behind, even though hardly anyone ever talks about it.

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Well, I read the instructions on the back of this box of Rice-A-Roni and thought it seemed hopeless, so I put it in an Instant Pot along with the seasoning, some sliced up lamb chops and some frozen broccoli and cauliflower. Then I browned it lightly with some butter before pressure cooking it for five minutes.

I have to say, this is pretty good. The lamb has a gamey aroma that fits the chicken broth seasoning perfectly and blends in wonderfully with the rice. This is, was, and ever shall be the official meal of SLIDERS.

In all seriousness, Rice-A-Roni and lamb chops is such an individual, peculiar and specific choice that it must hold some special significance to Tracy Torme. The box even says it is "A San Francisco Treat." Hopefully, SLIDERS will be revived and we will all learn the reason why.

Rice-A-Roni and lamb chops is also going to be my last carbohydrate heavy meal for awhile.

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Slide Override wrote:

It's odd. Though the two aren't comparable in the slightest, but after watching Ghostbusters: Afterlife, I just can't help pondering that a Sliders 'passing the torch' reboot really would do well.

Hmmm, I happened to LOVE Afterlife, and I already thought Torme's concept would surely be interesting.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILHq4MFctmI

Warning. Very quick and dirty trailer. But I was bored.

With an intellect that rivals her father's, and a sense of adventure taken from her late mum, Jade Mallory is a force to be reckoned with - which is why she often lands herself feet first into trouble. Unfortunately, she also ends up dragging her best friend, and on-off romantic interest - Rembrandt Brown Jr, into most of her escapades.

But nothing could have prepared either Jade or "RJ" for the secret that had been hidden within their families.

It has been 29.7 years since Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo missed the window of opportunity and were forced to make a life for themselves on a parallel world.

But Jade discovers the timer ... and the window of opportunity has arrived...

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Annie Fish re-reviewed "The Guardian" and says that there is absolutely no way Torme's revival could possibly happen because Hollywood would never cast Jerry O'Connell to be a leading man in a major network show at his age and that Torme's revival vision is garbage and that Torme's declaration that a SLIDERS revival won't be "woke" shows how out of touch and delusional Torme is and that Torme's meeting with NBCUniversal ending on a suggestion that they meet again at a later date is a polite rejection of Torme and Torme's show and Torme's attitude and Torme's value system and also that the podcasts in which Torme has guested on are disgustingly toxic in their toxic masculinity.

https://annieannieannie.medium.com/remn … 02fe7e5295

I do find the podcasters ghastly and my frustration with them has been thoroughly documented.

I would say that to Tracy Torme, the word "woke" is synonymous with "politically correct" which, in 90s TV screenwriting parlance, meant writing all characters as Caucasian regardless of ethnicity or culture. Torme would not do this; whether advisable or inadvisable, he wrote black characters based on the black people he knew and grew up with. All the black people in "Summer of Love" and "The King is Back" draw on actual people in Torme's life and Torme's obvious fondness for them. (Torme's writing of black characters could still be, very fairly, considered racist caricature. However, they are caricatures of people Torme knew and clearly loved.)

Also, when looking for a podcast willing to host a 90s screenwriter of a little-viewed show, beggars might not be able to be choosers.

I would also say that SLIDERS is Tracy Torme's creation. Robert K. Weiss, while a genius, jumped ship early on. We can debate the merits and failings of Tracy Torme endlessly because he has many. But fairly or unfairly, SLIDERS is Tracy Torme's show. If Tracy Torme wants to pitch a revival of SLIDERS headlined by Jerry O'Connell and if Torme wants to bring back whichever original cast members want to return and if Torme wants to do the GHOSTBUSTERS: AFTERLIFE equivalent of SLIDERS, then it's his right to do so and I wish him well and hope he succeeds.

And if Torme's bid to revive SLIDERS fails -- if "let's talk later" from NBCU was really "go away and never come back" -- then at least he failed trying to revive the version of the show that he wanted to do and believed in rather than trying to revive whatever he thought would sell. At least, in his failure to bring back SLIDERS, he conveyed that the only SLIDERS he wants to bring back is the version with *the* sliders, the characters of Quinn Mallory, Wade Welles, Rembrandt Brown and Professor Arturo as played by Jerry O'Connell, Sabrina Lloyd, Cleavant Derricks and John Rhys-Davies (pending their respective availabilities, anyway).

At least he will have failed while being loyal to his characters and his fans rather than being loyal to his wallet -- like, say, the creator of MACGYVER who watered down his premise to re-sell it again to NBC. Someone who isn't Tracy Torme can do that reboot later. (Sabrina Carpenter for Quinn Mallory!)

That said, Annie Fish has every right to criticize Torme's hypothetical revival and call it doomed and find it wanting and find Torme a moral disaster of a human being and I'm not even sure Annie Fish is even wrong. Annie's criticisms are fair, reasoned and reasonable because Annie is fair, reasoned and reasonable.

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Who the hell is Annie Fish, and why should I care?  Only fish I care about is MAURICE!

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Grizzlor wrote:

Who the hell is Annie Fish

You remember Ian McDuffie, right?

In any case I like that annie has a perspective that comes from it at a different angle than I would and that it also isn't afraid to be 100 percent honest rather than trying to appeal to the sliders community.

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Annie's credentials -- they are roulettewheel on this forum and they wrote the Think of a Roulette blog and covered every episode of SLIDERS and all the comics -- are irrelevant as to whether or not their opinion is worth considering.

Annie's opinion is valid and their criticisms are very reasonable: Jerry O'Connell is old. Tracy Torme may be seriously out of touch with TV. Tracy Torme may be seriously out of touch with present day concerns of identity and culture and economy.

Tracy Torme may be seriously out of touch with reality to think that NBCUniversal would ever revive SLIDERS with the original cast instead of, say, doing what they did with MACGYVER and rebooting it with new actors playing the original character(s).

Annie Fish could be completely and totally right. However, writing is not like selling IKEA shelves. Torme is so rich that he invites homeless people to live with him. Torme is so rich that heart surgery and prostate cancer didn't put him out on the street when most people with that sort of medical cataclysm in America end up renting cardboard boxes for shelter.

Torme comes to SLIDERS now from a place of passion, not avarice. The only SLIDERS writing Torme wants to do is the writing in which he will invest his heart and soul into and the only writing for SLIDERS he wants to do is a vision of SLIDERS with Quinn Mallory played by Jerry O'Connell, Wade Welles played by Sabrina Lloyd, Rembrandt Brown played by Cleavant Derricks, and Professor Arturo played by John Rhys-Davies (and additional new characters should the originals prove difficult to book).

There is no point in Torme pitching a SLIDERS continuity reboot with recast versions of the originals if that isn't what makes Torme passionate. If that's the only revival that NBCUniversal would ever want to do, then that revival can come after Torme dies or is abducted by aliens.

Tracy Torme deserves the chance to fail. It is Torme's right to pitch the revival he wants to pitch because SLIDERS is his show. If I decide to paint my house glow in the dark green before putting it on the market, that's my right too.

If Torme's revival bid proves unmarketable and unapprovable, so be it. It was the revival he wanted to make. We can criticize the creative and marketing merits of this approach and we can review the unlikely successes and likely failures of his efforts. We can talk about what we'd like Torme to do with SLIDERS. But it's never going to be up to us to say what Torme should or shouldn't do with SLIDERS. Tracy Torme is SLIDERS.

(I would also argue that Temporal Flux is SLIDERS, but that's a different thread.)

I applaud Annie Fish for raising all of these extremely self-evident and likely problems with what Torme is trying to sell, but doing so in a way that in no way invalidates Torme's right to do as he sees fit with his show and in no way denigrates the fans' longings to see SLIDERS and be reunited with the sliders.

And Annie is right about those podcasters, they are abominations of broken humanity.

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JOC isn't too old to lead a network TV show.  He's younger than Queen Latifah, who's headlining The Equalizer.  He's younger than Shemar Moore, the lead in S.W.A.T.  He's 10 years younger than Rob Lowe, star of 9-1-1: Lone Star.  There are plenty of other examples.

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I got a question for you guys.

Is a "remastered and restored" version of SLIDERS the worst pitch for a Netflix?  Or would the public just kinda laugh at that.

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RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan wrote:

I got a question for you guys.

Is a "remastered and restored" version of SLIDERS the worst pitch for a Netflix?  Or would the public just kinda laugh at that.

alright, never mind. I realized the idea is a little ridiculous.

I was prompted by seeing Netflix promoting Knight Rider in their library and showing a "new episodes" label on the thumbnail.  So it made it feel new again. And Knight Rider got a full HD restoration.  So it made me think of Sliders..

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pilight wrote:

JOC isn't too old to lead a network TV show.  He's younger than Queen Latifah, who's headlining The Equalizer.  He's younger than Shemar Moore, the lead in S.W.A.T.  He's 10 years younger than Rob Lowe, star of 9-1-1: Lone Star.  There are plenty of other examples.

Thank you.

I'm really not sure where this has come from, but "older" male actors is not a thing that Hollywood has any issues with at all.

There are many genuine reasons why rebooting an old show while keeping the old cast won't work, but JOC's age is NOT one of them.

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Thank you, pilight! I am so happy to see you punch a massive hole in the criticism of reviving SLIDERS with Jerry in a lead role.

As for pitching stuff to Netflix about remastering, I'm in favour of it so long as I don't have to do any unpaid work for it! :-D

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I think a remasterization of Sliders and putting it on Netflix could help pave way for a reboot in the future. It would introduce new people to the show who haven't heard of it before.

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Tucker wrote:

I think a remasterization of Sliders and putting it on Netflix could help pave way for a reboot in the future. It would introduce new people to the show who haven't heard of it before.

The ROI is not there.  Shows like Knight Rider got it because they just had to run the old masters through computers.  Sliders has those old VHS-only special effects, that were done in post-production.

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Plus editing on tape (as sliders did) is another burden.  It's very ironic older shows can get HD restoration easier but it's the case.

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Just finished watching THE MATRIX RESURRECTIONS. Temporal Flux has been very keen on GHOSTBUSTERS: AFTERLIFE, but THE MATRIX RESURRECTIONS is a film that really made me long for SLIDERS as I watched it.

I'm sure it's not a spoiler to say that THE MATRIX RESURRECTIONS is the story of picking up on Neo and Trinity, decades after Neo was presumably eviscerated on a digital level and Trinity was impaled and died on camera.

I'm sure it's not a spoiler to say that THE MATRIX RESURRECTIONS is the story of Neo and Trinity finding a way back from death, finding a way back to each other, and rediscovering their mission and purpose once again.

I know that Torme wants to see SLIDERS revived like AFTERLIFE with the original sliders passing the timer onto the children, but for me, I would prefer something more like RESURRECTIONS which assures us that everyone who missed Neo and Trinity and kept them close to their hearts were right to do so; that Neo and Trinity have been with us all along; that Neo and Trinity will always come back to us.

But a SLIDERS revival would probably be more of an AFTERLIFE situation. I'm not that crazy.

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Afterlife features cameos from the original guys for about 5 minutes, obviously contingent on whether they'd even agree to do it (mainly Bill).  Every indication I had was that Torme's concept for Sliders II was more akin to Matrix 4.  Don't think his reboot works in the same way WITHOUT some of the originals.  Tracy when speaking on it has always seemed to be very much interested in furthering their stories, to some degree.

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I think it'd be great to get everyone back, but you only need Quinn.  JRD is almost 80 and almost certainly wouldn't survive the fall from the vortex smile  Rembrandt is a great character, but I don't see how he fits into a "next generation" scenario except in some kind of non-science mentor situation.  Wade is another great inclusion, but could easily be included in a line of dialogue (like Jane Foster in most Thor appearances).

JOC is almost the same age now that JRD was when Sliders started.  I think the most organic Sliders story is a version where Quinn, following in Arturo's footsteps, is a professor.  If you want the story to be a true reboot, you can have a Quinn that never fully developed Sliding (and his student, instead of Smarter Quinn, is the one who finally solves the equation).  If you want it to be a continuation, you have a Quinn that slid for a while, settled on an Earth and started teaching.  You can either have him having found home or not, but if he's not home, it would add motivation to his character.

If Quinn was a slider, the cameos are easy.  Quinn visits Wade (whether they're married or not) and tells her about his student.  She can either support it or not.  He could visit Arturo for his advice on such a similar situation.  He could visit Rembrandt to see what happened to him ("don't let anyone drive into the vortex").  It could be a scene with all four of them or three separate scenes).

If Quinn wasn't a slider, you could do a cameo kinda like the other group of survivors in Shaun of the Dead.  Have a group of Quinn, Arturo, Rembrandt, and Wade cross paths briefly with the new group.  Either way, if Quinn wasn't a slider, you'd need him to interact with a double that is shocked that he never slid in his younger years, and Quinn can learn that he's kinda the dunce of the multiverse.

But kinda like No Way Home, I'd make the references to previous continuity played off as humor or vague enough that it could apply to anything.

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Quinn as Arturo is probably the easiest way to do it, but I actually convinced myself that "Rembrandt as the mentor" might also work.  Rembrandt jumps into the Seer vortex, gets to a close-enough Earth Prime, settles in, and has a family.  His son ends up being a Quinn-like scientist and develops Sliding.  Maybe the son discovers that Rembrandt never made it home and convinces Rembrandt to come along, or maybe Rembrandt comes along to protect his son.

But Rembrandt certainly has the experience to be the mentor character and could be a good source of knowledge.  You'd get a Quinn appearance via Rembrandt tracking him down for advice.

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Rhys-Davies, despite what "Annie Fish" assumes, is NOT in the pitch.  Tracy pretty much admitted that in one of the Cardinal shows, saying he would love to have him show up at some point.  Basically if the show were revived, you could bring him back as the "lost/real Arturo," pitches in to get them out of a fix.  Rembrandt likewise may simply only be there for a period of time.  As you say, it's tough to have these old farts getting dropped out of wormholes.  Jerry is in great shape though.

Initially I would have to assume that yes, Quinn becomes the Professor, but also unwilling traveler like Rembrandt was.  Likely still has grief and fears from death of Wade, which is what caused him to stop Sliding.  However, Tracy did not obviously state whether the group missed the Sliding window on purpose or not.  But that the new window (29.7 years later or whatever) was about to happen.  i.e. nobody "reinvents Sliding."  Obviously that's not as dramatic.  But keeps in line with Torme's concept of black comedy instead of dark drama.  There's a number of ways to get Quinn and perhaps an offspring and friend into that wormhole again.

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Slider_Quinn21 wrote:

I think it'd be great to get everyone back, but you only need Quinn.

I'd agree with that.

The thing about a film like THE MATRIX RESURRECTIONS: everyone who would go to a movie theatre or pull up a streaming service knows who Neo and Trinity are. While Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo are as significant to *me* as Neo and Trinity and Captain Kirk and Sherlock Holmes, that's not the case for the average TV viewer.

I can't help but wonder if these difficulties would make a clean reboot preferable to what Torme seems to want which sounds a bit like HALLOWEEN doing a requel that ignores all sequels but the first. In Torme's case, he would probably consider everything after "The Guardian" to be the unwanted sequels.

I'd agree with Grizzlor that unless Torme is being guarded, he does not see John Rhys-Davies being a series regular in his revival and he doesn't expect Sabrina Lloyd to be involved, although I'm sure he would find a way to get them in if they were available, and that's assuming there even is a SLIDERS revival or that NBCUniversal wouldn't just hire someone other than Tracy Torme to produce a SLIDERS reboot. They can do that. If Lana Wachowski hadn't been inspired to make THE MATRIX RESURRECTIONS, Warner Bros. would have hired someone else to make a new MATRIX movie.

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Yeah, not only is Quinn not a draw, I don't think Jerry is a draw.  And Jerry is easily the biggest draw of the cast.  If Jerry's movie career had taken off like he wanted, maybe.  But if you go to his Wikipedia page, it still lists Sliders first.  If Quinn isn't a draw, Jerry isn't.

If there's a draw to Sliders, it's nostalgia from people who remember the show on any level or the premise (since the multiverse is as in as it may ever be).  I would imagine a Sliders series with Jerry O'Connell as Professor Mallory would do just about as well as a Sliders series with ireactions as Professor Mallory.  I just think the people that would would watch for Jerry alone would be negligible.

I still think the best bet for the show is with Jerry as a champion.  Jerry is bigger than, say, Richard Hatch.  Hatch worked for decades to get a revival of Battlestar Galactica and eventually it worked...just not in the way he wanted.  Jerry wants it, but does he want it enough to be that guy?  And would he care enough if he knew that he might get Sliders back and be cast as Michael Mallory?

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Most series these days do not rely on a "draw" anymore.  Jerry was the kid from Stand By Me and JRD was the guy from Raiders of the Lost Ark, when Sliders premiered.  Most streaming series don't have a single actor you have heard of before.

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A pondering.

I find that there are certain factions of SLIDERS fandom that are incredibly contemptuous towards SLIDERS and its hypothetical future because their fondness for SLIDERS never equals their priority to be 'cool.' This is something Temporal Flux has described as fandom always gravitating to "shiny objects" and "beautiful people" rather than insight and information. Such fans -- and they are fans and delightful people -- are more interested in cultivating their 'cool' image in relation to SLIDERS than they are in SLIDERS itself. They define that 'cool' in relation to SLIDERS by declaring that SLIDERS was always worthless trash, they express how they are unaffected by SLIDERS, unimpressed by SLIDERS, unmoved by SLIDERS, and view SLIDERS something to mock and disdain.

Here's the thing: being a fan of SLIDERS isn't 'cool'. (I'm stealing this from my political frenemy, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, a liberal in name only.) Being a fan of anything isn't 'cool'.

'Cool' is being indifferent, uninterested, unaffected by external forces like the SLIDERS TV show. 'Cool' is being dismissive and disdainful. Being a fan of anything isn't 'cool'.

Being a fan of SLIDERS is to be sincerely and earnestly engaged with the format of 1990s television and with the specific brand identity of SLIDERS: the characters, the actors, the production model, the behind the scenes circumstances, and being intrigued and interested in how those concepts, characters, actors and production goals might be translated to the modern day.

Being a fan of SLIDERS is to contemplate and dream of what this show would be if it came back today and to know that the odds are not great, but to still find that potential worthy of discussion and consideration. It is a choice to be emotionally invested, to express love and admiration for the sliders, the timer, the vortex, the costumes, the scripts, the world-building -- and some people don't operate on that wavelength. Being a fan of anything isn't 'cool', it's joyful.

Joyful fans are not concerned with "shiny objects," "beautiful people" or being 'cool.' Joyful fans aren't concerned with their image. Such fans approach SLIDERS with a fondness for SLIDERS episodes and love for the sliders.

Look at Grizzlor's photos when he's with Kari Wuhrer or Cleavant Derricks. Is Grizzlor preening for the camera? Anticipating getting to brag? No. He is thrilled and happy to meet these people and to take a brief moment to thank them for how they touched his life. That's a joyful fan.

Yeah, that third dose of Moderna is really hitting my brain right now.

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Grizzlor wrote:

Most series these days do not rely on a "draw" anymore.  Jerry was the kid from Stand By Me and JRD was the guy from Raiders of the Lost Ark, when Sliders premiered.  Most streaming series don't have a single actor you have heard of before.

Yeah and that's why I don't think it makes sense for *any* of the cast to return.  If Universal sees value in the Sliders brand following all the multiverse stuff, they should just do a straight reboot.  Hire a bunch of no name actors and don't bog the writing staff with a bunch of prior continuity.  And they can fill the cast with younger actors to try and draw in a younger audience instead of a cast that was young-ish 25 years ago.  You do need a mentor figure if you're going to follow the original formula, but there's no reason to hire Jerry unless the see value in Jerry.  You could just as easily hire Kelsey Grammar, who was allegedly a fan of the original series, would be a bigger draw, and probably makes for a better Arturo.

Shoehorning in cameos from the ghostbusters makes sense, but I think even those-level cameos would be a distraction for any audience that might check it out.

I'd love to get a passing the torch movie with the original cast, or at least an Afterlife-style sequel with cameos.  But, honestly, it doesn't make as much sense.  Trying to sell it as something new (a la Battlestar Galactica) with an all-new cast makes the most sense.

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Many of the reboots have at least some of the old cast.  The Sex And The City reboot has most the stars of the original.  Dexter: New Blood has Michal C Hall.  Cobra Kai has Ralph Macchio.  Gossip Girl, Saved By The Bell, Mighty Ducks: Game Changers, ICarly, and more have returning cast members from their age-old source material.

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To be fair, those shows/movies were big hits and had massive audiences. :-)

I'd love for Torme's revival to happen, but I honestly can't find fault with anybody who thinks a clean reboot would be better. And while I have a lot of problems with NBCU, I wouldn't take issue with them deciding that Tracy Torme's idea is crazy and they are going to hire the Wachowski sisters to reboot the series and cast Allisyn Ashley Arm (Heather from AP BIO) as Quinn Mallory.

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pilight wrote:

Many of the reboots have at least some of the old cast.  The Sex And The City reboot has most the stars of the original.  Dexter: New Blood has Michal C Hall.  Cobra Kai has Ralph Macchio.  Gossip Girl, Saved By The Bell, Mighty Ducks: Game Changers, ICarly, and more have returning cast members from their age-old source material.

ireactions wrote:

To be fair, those shows/movies were big hits and had massive audiences. :-)

I think we need to remember that Sliders was a cult hit that was cancelled after almost every season.  It has very little pop culture relevance as a whole - there's some - as we point out a lot here, there's a bunch of references in Sci-Fi.  But the reason that there hasn't been a Sliders reboot/sequel is that the studio sees no value in it.  If there was an audience, they'd make it.

Now, it did have enough juice to have a Kickstart or Die video made about it, and it was the number one viewed video they did (over Wings, Darkwing Duck, Dinosaurs, and Family Matters) but there wasn't enough juice then either.

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I think you're all right, even those of you who disagree with each other.

I don't generally feel that my father has his finger to the pulse of popular culture. Auto parts, YES. TV and film, no. This one time, after watching THE LINCOLN LAWYER, he said he missed the funny girlfriend (Marisa Tomei) from MY COUSIN VINNIE and that she hadn't done anything he'd seen since. I said we just watched her; he asked when? I said she was the commanding ex-wife of the Lincoln Lawyer in THE LINCOLN LAWYER.

I casually mentioned COBRA KAI and he expressed astonishment that somebody actually made a TV show about two middle aged men arguing about dumb crap that happened between them in high school and urgently asked me to help him get Netflix specifically so that he could watch COBRA KAI and enjoy the continuing adventures of two former high school classmates in their 50s and 60s grumbling about who slighted whom at a high school dance.

Just to see what would happen, I mentioned SLIDERS and he didn't know what I was talking about. There's a point to this, I just don't remember what it was.

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Here's a thing folks, the ONLY legit attempt at a reboot/return is this latest one from Tracy.  Nobody else has attempted it, which is incredulous but there it is.  Not really counting Jerry's flimsy attempts.

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Always nice to see us make a list:

https://gamerant.com/90s-sci-fi-tv-seri … -stargate/

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TemporalFlux wrote:

Always nice to see us make a list:

https://gamerant.com/90s-sci-fi-tv-seri … -stargate/

I really wish critics would stop drawing comparisons between Sliders and Quantum Leap, because there are no comparisons to be made.

I love both series, but both have fundamentally different concepts.

I have watched every series on that list above several times over. Except for Farscape.

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There are few comparisons between Sliders and Quantum Leap but they're flimsy at best.

They both ran for five seasons

Both shows finished without their protagonists getting home

Rickman's like a really bad attempt at the Evil Leaper storyline from season 5 of Quantum Leap

And the fan theory that Maggie Beckett might be Sam Beckett's neice.

But you're right. Other then that. That's about it.

Oh and they both involve sci-fi concepts.

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Quantum Leap is horizontal, moving to different points along the same timeline.
Sliders is vertical, going to the same point in different timelines.

Assuming you view time as a horizontal line, that is.

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That description was perfect. :-)

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Yes it is, and moreover 25 years ago, most of the QL audience (like myself) wound up easy Sliders fans too.

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well.

https://deadline.com/2022/01/quantum-le … 234912430/

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Golly! Great news for QUANTUM LEAP fans. I hope the series gets picked up and is a huge success. I hope that it stirs warmth and joy in old fans who have waited so long for their show to return while bringing a new generation of viewers to the adventure and mystery and fun of Project Quantum Leap. I hope their fan communities aren't suddenly beset by miserly whining about how a QUANTUM LEAP revival means that someone won't be able to sell their rebranded QUANTUM LEAP fanfic as original work.

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What's also interesting is that the Quantum Leap reboot will be managed by another time travel series' co-showrunners: La Brea.

I love that show (La Brea). Fun times. I really really hope that Scott Bakula returns and we get some sort of cameo in the form of a deep fake version of the late Dean Stockwell as Al.

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almost any IP can be revived with a trusted, prominent showrunner.

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The interesting thing is that the “in your own lifetime” rule for time travel may bite them a bit.  They can’t really have a younger lead if they want some reach

Sam Beckett was depicted as 36 years old when he started leaping.  If they followed that template, the furthest back in time they could go right now is 1986.  If they used Sam’s daughter, they would have a 55 year old that could hit 1967 right now.

Of course, Mark Harmon was 51 when he started NCIS in 2003, so Bellisario isn’t shy about casting older leads.

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TemporalFlux wrote:

The interesting thing is that the “in your own lifetime” rule for time travel may bite them a bit.  They can’t really have a younger lead if they want some reach

Sam Beckett was depicted as 36 years old when he started leaping.  If they followed that template, the furthest back in time they could go right now is 1986.  If they used Sam’s daughter, they would have a 55 year old that could hit 1967 right now.

Of course, Mark Harmon was 51 when he started NCIS in 2003, so Bellisario isn’t shy about casting older leads.

Ahhhhhh yes, but there are circumstances in which time travel to the 1800s is possible through a genetic loophole: such as was revealed in one Quantum Leap episode.

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I can't help but think that the lifetime rule is something that could be set aside with a couple lines of technobabble if it's a problem.

What we should worry about, what should take full priority and requires the total force of our concentration: what of the QUANTUM LEAP novels? There were 18 QUANTUM LEAP novels, 16 of which were published after the cancellation of the TV show and the hastily re-edited season finale turned series finale. The final novel in the series was MIRROR'S EDGE, which sought to recontextualize the unintended/re-edited series finale, "Mirror Image." The QUANTUM LEAP book license did not permit authors to write stories set after the final episode, but MIRROR'S EDGE attempts a loophole by taking place immediately before "Mirror Image" and attempted to recontextualize the last episode.

https://quantumleap.fandom.com/wiki/Books

How will they be integrated into the revival? How will the implications of MIRROR'S EDGE on "Mirror Image" be taken into consideration? Do we need to print off some labels with LEGENDS on them to tape onto the QUANTUM LEAP books?

(Never read them. Only ever saw two episodes of the show. Just happy for the fans!)

(And looking on at a distance, my heart swelling with joy for those who have hoped for more leaps and dreamed of more adventures while also feeling my own bittersweet longing for Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo... )

(And pondering if perhaps in this QUANTUM LEAP revival, we'll meet Sam's niece, Margaret Allison Beckett, to be played by Kari Wuhrer.)

(Hey, this means REWATCH PODCAST has to go back to reviewing QUANTUM LEAP!!!)

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The only QL novel I limped through was Prelude which was meant to explain how Project Quantum Leap started and what led Sam to step into it.

It’s been awhile since I even thought about this, but I remember it including an assassination attempt on Sam as he was originally attempting to build the Project.  The resulting shot to the head is what gave him the white forelock, and a piece of Sam’s brain was extracted during the surgery to save his life.  The piece was preserved and later used, along with a nerve from Al’s arm, to create the A.I., Ziggy. That was why Al and Sam were the only ones who could see each other in the past - they were connected through their donations to Ziggy.

Without the connection, I guess Sam is now like the DC Comics character Deadman.  Deadman inhabits the body, but no one ever sees Deadman.

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My personal theory about Quantum Leap (based on thoughts in the final episode) is that the machine entangled Sam with what many call a guardian angel.  During those times in life where you face great adversity and you look back and wonder how you ever got through that?  It’s because an angel inhabited you and helped you through.  The angel was probably trying to help Sam when he turned on the machine, but that first leap fused them together and caused everything related to no longer work like it’s supposed to.

The same applies to the later introduced “Evil Leaper”. We’ve all heard of demonic possession.

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Interesting. Someone actually sliced open their copy of the out-of-print QUANTUM LEAP: PRELUDE novel and put it online in PDF. Maybe you can make it through this time!

https://freepdfhosting.com/462bcfc5ee.pdf

I have never seen the show and I can't remember Tom and Cory's summary. Were the Evil Leapers part of the same QUANTUM LEAP product, or was there a competing time travel experiment that may have been co-opted by demons the way Sam's was co-opted by an angel or fate or God?

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Hope QL gets picked up. If Slideheads can't get our show back, we can at least be happy that Leapers got their show back.

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Quantum Leap is one of the marquee titles in the Universal TV library whose reboot has been a priority for years and has been attempted multiple times to date.

This particular iteration had been kept largely under wraps but Bakula last fall told the late Bob Saget on his podcast that there were “very significant conversations” about a Quantum Leap reboot.

“The rights were a mess for years. I don’t know if they’re even sorted out now. That’s always been the biggest complication,” he said back then. Bakula added that he had spoken occasionally to series creator Bellisario over the years about a potential comeback, “and he would always say, ‘I can’t write it without thinking of you and Dean.’”

Pulled that passage from the Deadline article, and frankly you could easily swap Bakula/Quantum Leap for O'Connell or Torme/Sliders.  The rights have been a mess, for sure, with Bellisario I'm sure feeling entitled to the property as Tracy has, and Universal TV being a disaster.  For the execs who asked him, "why Sliders now?," well here you go.  IF QL can prove to be a success, one would think Sliders HAS to be next on the board.  While Tracy is not quite a "picture of health," he's at least willing to be involved whereas Mr. Bellisario is 86 and I highly doubt he will have a contribution.  Heck even Bakula has no idea if he's being written in.  I will say NOT including Scott as Sam, or recasting Sam Beckett a la MacGuyver, will be a huge disservice to the fan base.

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Well, with MAGYVER, Richard Dean Anderson thought the reboot was garbage (and it did take about half a season to figure itself out). He refused to be involved with the MACGYVER reboot despite the intense wish that he join the show either as MacGyver 2016's father or mentor. In QUANTUM LEAP's case, Scott Bakula is clearly very keen to be involved in any capacity. As for Bellisario -- I assume he shows up at the office to collect his royalty cheques at minimum.